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our friends versus Wix Roof it is God.

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He does your dog and start to be

2:24

for its own as it is the day

2:26

after the first round of the draft. Arms

2:29

Kippur. I was at the Fillmore for

2:31

our Purple Daily Drop Party last night.

2:33

I believe that you are out of

2:35

the Vikings and will be all weekend,

2:37

so let's get right you are your

2:39

thoughts. Jj Mccarthy a ten gallon Turner.

2:43

Surprise. Surprise. Yeah at

2:45

seventeen. Ah, I

2:47

will applaud. Quecedo.

2:49

For me. So. I. Thought he nailed it.

2:52

but audience we nailed. Ah, I'm.

2:55

I the more he thought about it. judd.

2:57

Or here's my the only

2:59

requirement. Last. Night was at the into the

3:02

night when court. right?

3:04

Now not nine a bold any court. That

3:06

they voted on. Ah,

3:11

The. More, You flipped it on it. I.

3:14

Know the Patriots have a million holes and

3:17

issues with a personal. But.

3:19

If you believe. In. The

3:22

quarterback the he's going to be your franchise guy. You

3:24

don't. You. Don't pass up on. The

3:26

dishes too hard to find guys. Is. So

3:28

if your lover the guy and you're convinced and he

3:30

is gonna be your core by for ten years you

3:33

take him even if teams boy away with reapers rocket.

3:36

So. That the more I thought about that probably was a

3:38

pipe dream. That

3:40

they rubio to move up and get dragged me. So

3:43

then you say the most logical one is gonna

3:45

be. A jersey mccarthy.

3:48

Rare. I give i give quasi credit

3:50

because all the chatter going up into the

3:52

draft or that hey. There you

3:54

have to move up and get him because you get the Broncos

3:57

yet the Raiders. You don't know the Giants are gonna do. You.

4:00

I said it, you can't play defense, you gotta play

4:02

offense. And then the

4:04

mother of all curveball comes at eight. Yeah,

4:07

with the Falcons, which I have no idea what they're

4:09

doing with under drafting Pinnix.

4:12

Thank you very much. At that point,

4:15

we're screaming, trade up. You

4:17

cannot run the risk of

4:20

Denver leapfrogging you or the Raiders leapfrogging.

4:23

You have to trade up. And so

4:25

Kwesi not only got

4:27

the quarterback, but was able to keep

4:29

that 23rd pick and leverage

4:31

that into getting maybe the best defensive

4:33

player in the draft, but certainly one

4:35

of the top defensive players in the

4:38

draft. Yeah, with an aggressive move up

4:40

and how many years do we sit here on the

4:42

day after the draft and complain about

4:44

Rick Spieleman moving back,

4:46

moving back? He wouldn't take

4:48

a better player because he wanted to

4:50

accumulate these more picks to take more

4:52

swings at it. I applaud his aggressiveness

4:55

and I don't care about losing fifth

4:57

round picks. Fans

5:00

become so enamored with, I

5:02

hear giving up all these picks. They do

5:05

that under the assumption or that arguments under

5:07

the assumption that you're going to hit on

5:09

these picks. If you're not, it's

5:11

not reality. You're going to whiff on, you're going

5:14

to whiff on the first round, but you're going to

5:16

whiff on rounds four, five, six, and seven.

5:18

And so if there isn't an elite player

5:20

that you think is going to be a star, do

5:24

it. And so I applaud what he did. Forget

5:27

Spieleman for a second, Chipper. How about

5:29

this? Just juxtaposed

5:31

this until three years ago with Quasi.

5:34

Yeah. Yeah. Where he,

5:36

where, where, well, and I think his, I

5:38

think his quote, his money quote last night

5:40

about, you know, sometimes you have to take

5:42

off the Clark Kent glasses. Yeah. I

5:45

think he's talking about himself three years ago. Yeah.

5:47

He outsmarted himself. Yeah.

5:51

And that's before they took Lewis

5:53

scene. He just outsmarted himself not

5:55

once, but twice because why accumulate

5:57

picks accumulate picks. Look at how,

5:59

look at how far he has

6:01

come you know it's funny

6:04

that draft is a massive

6:06

bust last year fewer

6:08

players I don't know if it's a

6:10

great draft but you got a first round pick who's

6:12

pretty damn good don't you get on it Addison Addison's

6:14

good yeah yeah and then this draft what

6:17

you just said and now people are like

6:19

well they have three picks next year okay first of all

6:21

you can get more picks like he's they're gonna get compensatory

6:23

and they're gonna move back in the first round I was

6:25

gonna get more picks I was thoroughly

6:30

impressed I was nervous for a while oh

6:32

yeah the two breaks the two things where I said

6:34

okay this is starting to trend because it for a

6:36

while it felt like okay this is going by chalk

6:38

basically and I didn't think it would but the

6:41

two things that transpired well the first thing

6:43

that transpired was the Giants didn't take one

6:46

because correct Daniel Jones legitimately might not

6:48

be I mean he could get people

6:50

fired and so I was

6:52

really concerned when they didn't take a

6:54

quarterback and then as you said the

6:57

mother of all what were you doing

6:59

Falcons to taking Michael Pennick's after signing

7:01

Kirk Cousins inexplicable

7:05

that's when you said what you just said which is

7:07

okay just trade up just a little

7:09

bit right yeah that's right no well

7:12

when it when they get to ten and it's

7:15

mind-boggling I got some tweets on

7:18

this that fans are like well why did they give up

7:20

pick just move up one spot because the

7:22

Broncos would have jumped him and take it well

7:24

they gave up a pretty nice package to move

7:26

up just one spot because of that and if

7:28

they hadn't we would have we would have torched

7:30

them yes you I mean could you imagine if

7:33

he hadn't done that and and

7:35

the Broncos or the Raiders would have moved up and

7:37

taken JJ McCarthy attend and you would have been sitting

7:39

there like well you know what that's when

7:42

his job is on the line that's what I kept saying

7:44

is if he doesn't get one of these guys and not

7:46

bone X if he doesn't get

7:48

one of these guys this is where because O'Connell will

7:50

disown him and and and

7:52

now it's great for crazy because it's

7:54

O'Connell's baby like now it's up to

7:57

him I I think And

8:00

I got some pushback. I think I did a write this

8:02

write that down on this a month ago I

8:04

think they're both now gonna get extensions. Well,

8:07

that's oh, I'm writing this column tomorrow, Judd

8:10

Um, I don't know about extensions

8:13

that I don't know it's in four year deal. I don't know what their

8:15

car. Yeah Yeah for you lot but

8:19

This absolutely feels like an

8:21

organizational reboot This

8:24

feels like their clock starts over right now. It feels like that

8:26

may be It yes,

8:28

this is now we see the vision right

8:31

all the last vestiges of the spill and

8:33

error or now Harrison still here

8:35

But right by area it's done with this

8:37

is 13 You

8:40

have when you draft a quarterback in

8:42

the top ten and

8:44

you clear your Sourcap

8:47

mass to where you have a over a hundred

8:49

million dollars next year in salary

8:51

cap The runway gets longer for this regime.

8:53

I mean this is It

8:55

has to you there there has to be

8:58

a level of patience to see what

9:00

the payoff is coming. You're not gonna because

9:03

I don't know that year three Was

9:07

necessarily make or break For

9:09

this tandem maybe quasty

9:12

more than O'Connell But

9:15

the temperature was definitely hot hotter

9:18

on this tandem to say What's

9:21

the plan here? Where is this going? Well

9:23

now you I think it makes sense at least

9:25

it does to me like you got your quarterback

9:27

You've cleared a bunch of space you got younger

9:31

your Doesn't necessarily

9:33

mean it's gonna lead to something great But

9:36

the plan makes sense to me now

9:38

this feels like a completely new chapter

9:40

when you change your quarterback out It

9:42

feels like a completely new chapter and

9:44

that's what you know, I mean jeez

9:46

going back three years now chipper This is what we were pushing

9:48

for at the time. We're like you're gonna have to have a

9:51

pager eventually and you did And

9:53

and you're right on patience. I'm let's just

9:55

talk about McCarthy for a second. Yeah, there's

9:58

gonna have to be patients there Like

10:00

O'Connell now bought himself time. I

10:02

think by getting McCarthy, Quazy buys

10:04

himself time. But again,

10:06

just to be very clear, I really liked what they

10:09

did. Jad, do you think

10:13

Sam Darnold will be good enough that this can

10:15

be a redshirt year for McCarthy? Okay,

10:18

so let's explore that path. I

10:22

think he'll be sufficient. But

10:26

I guess my question is, does

10:28

he need a 17 game redshirt year? I

10:32

thought of Drake May as actually being more of

10:34

a project than McCarthy. But

10:38

I do think McCown

10:41

and O'Connell are going to do what's

10:43

in the best interest of McCarthy as

10:45

well. Like this is not the old,

10:48

we got Ponder, we got McNabb, we're

10:50

starting McNabb, oh my God, we're terrible,

10:52

let's play Ponder. I'm not concerned about

10:54

that. The reason why I say this is because

10:56

I think back to Kirk Cousins'

10:59

first year in O'Connell's system. This

11:01

was the guy who had been in the league a

11:04

long time, he was a veteran. Very

11:07

smart. And him talking about

11:09

how hard this offense was to

11:11

pick up and how complicated it was and all

11:13

the different things. So

11:15

I don't know, is that

11:17

a half a season thing that it takes him?

11:19

Is it a full season? Say, there's no pressure

11:21

on you to come in here just because you

11:23

have a veteran in Sam Darnold and whatever

11:26

happens, happens this year with Sam Darnold but he

11:28

is a bridge. Like this is, it's a one

11:30

year deal, it's a bridge. Yes. In

11:34

that respect, I think it is, I

11:37

do think O'Connell asked a lot of the quarterback and

11:40

it wasn't just him, I mean, Justin Jefferson has told us he

11:43

thinks it's one of the most complicated offenses in the league. Remember

11:45

he said that at the end of last year. So there's

11:48

a lot that they ask of

11:50

a quarterback. And so it sort

11:52

of feels like a redshirt year to me,

11:54

but- It might be, and to be very,

11:56

very clear, not sure about you, I

11:58

have no problem with that. No, no, because

12:00

fans will start to complain, but I have no

12:03

problem with that. Yeah, especially if

12:05

if darnell, you know, struggles and doesn't

12:07

perform well, and then maybe you put them out there.

12:09

I don't know. But a lot of

12:11

a lot of the complaining, I think will

12:13

depend on how darnell performs and

12:16

if it's adequate and fine and they're doing well and

12:18

he's okay. You know, they'll

12:20

be like, I think they'll understand that this is, you

12:22

know, that JJ will take over next year. So I

12:25

like to pick, you

12:29

know, I know fans is kind of a polarizing

12:33

pick because McCarthy

12:35

only averaged 22 pass attempts

12:37

last year. But I've

12:39

long held that that's more a product of

12:41

Jim Harbaugh's system than an indictment of what

12:43

he is as a player. I mean,

12:45

that's that's Jim Harvold. Run the ball, physical, run

12:47

the ball, play act. That's just what Jim Harvold

12:50

does. And so I don't

12:52

think he was doing that because he's trying to protect his quarterback

12:54

because he can't throw the ball. I don't think that all think

12:56

this is the fly all Harvold has. And

12:58

so we saw him make,

13:00

you know, important throws when he needed to look

13:02

at the, you know, the chip, the playoff games

13:04

that he did. I think the kid's a winner.

13:08

Obviously, there's, you know, a

13:10

lot of unknowns with every quarterback.

13:14

But guess what? This

13:16

is why you hired Kevin O'Connell.

13:19

You have to trust that he made the

13:21

right call. Yes. And this does

13:23

not feel like a reach. This does not

13:25

feel like what were you doing? What were you

13:27

thinking? You know, Michael Pennocks, why did you take

13:29

him at eight, especially when you just signed the

13:31

guy? The thing about McCarthy

13:33

too, to go back to what you just

13:35

said is what high

13:37

school, he went to three state championship

13:40

games. He won two, including a national

13:42

championship at IMG in Florida, Michigan.

13:44

He wins a national championship, I think in

13:46

his career there, he lost one game. And

13:49

it was funny when you went through Cousins' resume,

13:52

it didn't have that. And I know

13:54

we could argue

13:56

about circumstances and who to get and

13:59

what, but. I think there

14:01

is something about a winning pedigree that's important.

14:05

Yeah, well, I think without doubt, it's a

14:07

mindset culture. I mean, everything you hear about

14:10

him from the Michigan people is like, the

14:12

guy's a winner, like he has those intangibles.

14:14

And yes,

14:17

he was on a great team at Michigan, a lot of

14:19

NFL players on that team. But

14:21

he was a big reason why they won

14:23

those, you know, the quarterback's the most important

14:25

leader on the team. So there's

14:28

something to be said about a quarterback leading the team, and

14:30

your Marba was demanding, by the way, too. A hundred percent.

14:32

And I don't go back to you said this was in

14:34

the reach. Would you feel differently

14:36

about McCarthy if they had to give

14:38

up a first round pick

14:40

for him or two? A

14:44

little bit. I still wouldn't hate it. Like

14:47

I was prepared to see that play

14:49

out. But, um. A

14:52

little bit. Does it make it more attractive that you didn't have

14:54

to give up? Well, yeah, no, you kept your brain first. You

14:58

know, we'd be, you know, I just

15:00

to be totally truthful here, I'd probably be talking about the

15:02

draft picks. They've given up a little bit different if they

15:04

right now didn't have a 25 first. Like,

15:07

yes, they don't. They have three draft picks right

15:09

now. And yes, that's very, very low. But you

15:12

didn't give up that first. You still have that

15:14

first, which is obviously the most important draft pick.

15:17

So, you know, I guess

15:19

I guess I'm very comfortable with what they

15:21

had to do to make this move.

15:24

I thought it would have to to be more.

15:27

And and I am totally in your

15:29

camp, which is moving

15:31

up that one spot. If nothing else, it

15:33

just had to make everyone feel better. You

15:35

got your guy, you know, you

15:37

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16:11

can't even imagine. I don't

16:14

know if panic is the right word. What

16:16

do you think the pulse rate and blood pressure did

16:19

in that war room in the Vikings when they

16:21

saw what Atlanta did? I

16:23

thought, because I got home last night

16:26

and watched this, I thought O'Connell

16:28

at his press conference after the first round picks

16:30

looked like he had been put through a ringer.

16:35

I thought he looked like your question that

16:37

you just asked me, I think

16:40

if you go watch his post draft

16:42

press conference, I think that answers your

16:44

question. Yeah, I mean, I can't

16:47

imagine. Can I ask Kwesi that at

16:49

his press conference? I said, you know,

16:51

what was the deliberations like whether he had to

16:53

move up from off 11 and then

16:56

how much did that

16:58

what Atlanta did really kind of created

17:00

urgency? And he said, yeah, once there was a surprise,

17:02

you knew, okay, there

17:06

was not going to be two options. And I don't know whether

17:08

how much they like panics. I

17:10

still think he would have been an option if he

17:12

was there at 11. I still think they would take

17:14

him to McCarthy. That's my inclination. Oh, I agree with

17:16

that. If you had the choice, I think

17:18

you're taking McCarthy. I

17:21

suspect you're not like panics and I like

17:23

panics. But I just think McCarthy was the

17:26

head of them. Yeah, I suspect

17:28

that the Vikings, somebody theorizing or

17:30

trying to report that the Vikings

17:32

had panics ahead of McCarthy and

17:34

that they were disappointed by the

17:36

Falcons move. I thought just the

17:38

opposite. I thought they were doing

17:40

cartwheels when the Falcons, you know,

17:42

not only didn't trade that pick, but

17:45

then took a quarterback that you know, because I

17:47

thought if they took a quarterback, it would be

17:49

McCarthy. I just never thought they'd take one since

17:51

they got a Kirk. I never in

17:53

a million years would I get that they would take

17:55

a quarterback there and particularly

18:00

an older quarterback, which let's

18:02

assume Kirk plays two years.

18:05

I think it's going to be what, 28, 29 years old. Did

18:09

you hear what the GM said today? Final.

18:12

He said, um, well, I

18:14

guess I think last night they, they said, Hey, we're

18:16

trying to go after what the Packers have done, you

18:18

know, we're trying to take a quarterback and allow our

18:21

guy to still play, but then, but then

18:23

today, I guess he said that this could

18:25

be a four or five year thing, like

18:27

Kirk could play out his contract and now

18:29

I don't think it's going to happen. But

18:31

anyway, he said that this could be

18:33

a fourth. So basically he's saying the life

18:35

of Pennix's contract will be eaten up. And

18:37

your point and Mackey and

18:39

I got into it about this at

18:43

that age. Like McCarthy's 21. Yeah.

18:45

Go Pennix quarterback. What? So you're literally going to

18:47

take him out of his twenties, nearly

18:50

out of his twenties. Here's your

18:52

30 year old rookie. And if I'm

18:54

Pennix, who was happy today? Like

18:57

if I'm, I mean, clearly cousins is pissed. Yeah.

19:00

If you're Pennix, yeah, you went eight. Yeah.

19:02

You get a nice payday on that, but

19:04

are you happy? Yeah. Was

19:07

it, um, a month ago where

19:10

cousin said, it's great to be in

19:12

a situation where you have alignment and synergy with

19:14

the ownership, the G. Oh my God. I forgot.

19:19

Oh, that's right. I think

19:21

you might want to bring that one back. Well,

19:24

and I saw a tweet. He was at the

19:26

Falcons draft party. I would love to see that.

19:28

What? Yeah. I guess he was at the Falcons

19:30

draft. I mean, I heard they didn't

19:33

tell him till they were on the clock. Well, here's the

19:35

thing. No. And I know they said they're mad that he,

19:37

uh, they didn't tell him, well,

19:39

you're not going to mean the cousins is going to tell

19:41

his agent, Mike McCartney. You think he's not going to call

19:43

and tell people, Hey, this is what they're going to do,

19:45

you know? Oh yeah. You're

19:47

right. That's a good point. Yeah. I mean,

19:50

there's no way you would, you would

19:52

tell a player that, cause that's for

19:54

sure. But, but Kirk's whole thing was,

19:56

I mean, the Minnesota Vikings to administrations

19:58

refused to bring in actual competition. because

20:00

they knew how much Kurt basically

20:02

said, no, don't do that to me. Well,

20:05

furthermore, you guaranteed

20:07

him a hundred million dollars. There is

20:09

a window with Kurt

20:11

Cousins when you do that, a veteran. Wouldn't

20:14

you try to maximize that

20:17

and get the, surround him with best talent you get

20:19

and try to win now versus... With the...

20:22

What do you think? With the effect

20:24

in an incredibly deep like receiver draft,

20:26

you could have taken... There were, you

20:28

know, there were no defensive players gone

20:30

at that point. If

20:33

you're Arthur Blaine, how do you

20:35

sign off on that after you just say... I don't know,

20:37

we did. I guess he was pissed.

20:40

I guess people stopped him. My

20:43

theory, it sounds bad, but

20:46

I wonder if they just signed Kurt because Blaine's

20:48

like, we have to sign him and they're like,

20:50

he's in his 80s. You

20:52

know, it might not last that long. We're going

20:54

to take our quarter back then and then... Who

20:57

knows, man? It makes no sense. It

20:59

was one of the most bizarre draft picks I think I've

21:01

ever seen. But if you're the Vikings, you had to want

21:03

to... My opinion was that PENEX

21:05

was not ahead of McCarthy on the Viking strap

21:07

board. I don't think so. In my opinion, the

21:09

Vikings would have run to Atlanta at that point

21:12

and gave him a big smooch. And

21:14

all of this tampering, it's over

21:16

now. If I'm the Vikings, I'm

21:18

like, are you kidding, Roger Dell?

21:20

Don't punish them. They punish themselves.

21:22

I know, exactly. They're

21:25

like the kid that takes the car off for a

21:27

joyride and wraps it around a pole. They learned their

21:29

lesson. It was bizarre. But

21:32

Kwesi was patient until he

21:34

needed to be urgent and did what he

21:36

did and protect that other... The

21:43

second first round pick and the first round pick

21:46

next year. And

21:48

then to say, you know what? I'm

21:51

going to shoot my shot here and try to go get Dallas

21:53

Turner, who... I've got

21:55

to imagine Beflow was just doing... And

21:58

That's him, right? Like it.it.

22:00

does seem that yeah, you know? There's

22:02

no question that O'connell drove. The.

22:05

The prop the probably discussion on the

22:07

May pack and then eventual Mccarthy acquisition

22:10

and then Turner. that you know? I

22:12

guess. Some. Of the draft.

22:14

Next are saying that you know Turner is

22:16

has some flaws, blah blah, but he's got

22:18

all the skills and if I'm putting him

22:20

and Brian floors his hands, I feel pretty

22:22

damn good about my chances to get them

22:24

to maximize his abilities. Wow. You

22:27

look at the way guys developed

22:29

last year. In. Casual Tell

22:31

us and young guys it. ah. I.

22:33

Trust Rainforest The. Yeah.

22:36

I don't know the technical things about what

22:38

they see, what word or whatever that. Are

22:43

you look at use a productive player for a great

22:45

program and. Is really to pass rusher

22:48

and so I have to imagine he's gonna. Excel

22:50

in this decent. And.

22:53

We we bought talked obviously throughout the course of the

22:55

season about Hunter and possibly you know can they afford

22:57

to lose them and we both agree to be a

22:59

huge blow. But I will be honest, I don't know

23:01

that. Anyone. They have currently

23:04

no turner might be eventually. I don't

23:06

know that any edge that they have

23:08

currently is better, but their deaths they're

23:10

down is so much improved that that

23:12

if I'm them, I feel pretty good

23:14

about that. In are younger

23:16

and on. You.

23:19

Know, I think. There's.

23:22

You know, splashes or potential there.

23:25

For for growth and become like a you

23:27

know a premier guy know they have this

23:29

show it nothing. You're. In a

23:31

good situation because of. How

23:35

respective Lorries is in terms of just

23:37

schematic but also developer. So

23:40

he was a, you know, Yes,

23:43

I think May was probably the the preferred

23:46

choice, but I I jog in. I just

23:48

don't know that that was realistic. It.

23:51

There his and you might be right. And.

23:53

Ammunition. I might have just said know which

23:55

is which is fine You know my. My

23:57

only question is what will we ever find

23:59

out like. the offer was. Yeah.

24:03

But yeah, and look, there's nobody I don't think

24:05

who was going to come out of last night

24:07

if they got Daniel's,

24:10

which again, to your point, was not realistic. Daniel's

24:12

Mayor McCarthy, I don't think there was anyone for

24:15

the most part that was going to come out

24:17

of last night and say, that's a miss. Yeah.

24:21

Yeah. And it's

24:24

funny that all

24:26

the pre subterfuge and

24:29

speculation, the first

24:31

four picks went how everybody thought they were

24:33

going to go way back when the season ended,

24:35

right? Everybody said, you're right.

24:39

Williams, Daniels, May, Marvin Harrison.

24:41

Yeah. I guess the

24:44

one thing I didn't expect, and it's

24:46

not completely shocking because of how the

24:48

game is played. I didn't expect 14

24:50

offensive players to go before one defensive

24:52

player. That did surprise me, but you're right. The

24:54

top of the draft went

24:57

chalk and to your point, no moves

24:59

either. Yeah. And I

25:02

thought the most likely scenario was trade up with

25:05

the Chargers at five. And I

25:08

don't know if he called them or

25:11

did they say, the way this

25:13

is breaking, we can be patient. Or

25:15

maybe we don't feel like

25:17

these quarterbacks are, we need to do

25:19

that. But he

25:23

played it right and folded the

25:26

way he set up good nicely for them.

25:29

Well, and it's not nearly as much fun to

25:31

talk about, Chipper, as quarterbacks. But the other thing

25:33

with what the Chargers did was that started at

25:35

that run on tackles. And I mean, look at

25:37

that. Yeah.

25:39

And I was saying this last

25:42

night, in some ways, especially blindside,

25:44

blindside tackles, are becoming

25:47

like quarterbacks, rookie

25:50

contracts, because we'll see

25:52

this. Christian Darrisa is going to break

25:54

the bank. I mean, those guys get

25:56

paid. So five years of team control on

25:58

a tackle is pretty. What do you have important? I

26:01

was talking about that with a colleague last

26:03

night that if you start ranking positions, they

26:07

got a rookie quarterback. They

26:09

got a left tackle that's going to get

26:11

a five-year deal that you feel like you've

26:14

solved that problem. You

26:16

got the best wide receiver in the game, and

26:18

you drafted what you think is a premier Ed

26:20

rusher. I mean, those are

26:22

four. I

26:25

would say cornerback is fifth. I mean,

26:27

those are your five most important positions there, right?

26:31

So they don't have that

26:33

elite cornerback yet.

26:36

But I go back to

26:38

that original point. The

26:40

blueprint's starting to make sense, Judd. You

26:43

can start to see where this thing is going. And particularly,

26:45

we talk about the picks that they have to give up.

26:48

I mean, when you're talking about having, I looked at this morning

26:51

from over the cap, they're projected to

26:53

have $102 million in Sally cap room. Now, a lot

26:55

of that's going to go to JJ and Darrissal. But

26:59

they're going to be able to plug holes

27:01

and upgrade areas through free agency and not

27:03

have to rely on these picks. And

27:05

that's where that hits on

27:07

what I think is a very interesting

27:09

point, because they very well

27:11

could be very competitive in 24. I

27:15

don't expect them to be a Super Bowl team, but they could

27:17

make the playoffs. We don't know. But you just

27:19

hit on the most important thing, which is this. I

27:21

think 25 is a Super Bowl

27:23

window that opens. And yes. So

27:26

if you still don't have your defensive

27:28

tackle, if you still don't have your

27:30

defensive tackle, you just

27:33

nailed it. They're going to go into free agency

27:35

and get a veteran guy who's good. I

27:38

mean, they're going to be, because of how the

27:40

Jefferson and then eventually Darrissal contracts are going to

27:42

be structured, you're going to have some room to

27:44

play with. I think

27:46

for 25, I think what you just said, because

27:48

you're not going to go into the 25 draft and say, we've

27:52

got to fill more holes and they're going

27:54

to play right away. What you're going to

27:56

say is we've developed, guys, and now it's

27:58

time to put some finishing touches. I

28:01

think they're going to be in position to make

28:03

that Jared Allen, Steve Hutchinson type of free agent

28:05

move in 2025. I agree

28:07

because of the money, you know, and

28:09

it took some, you

28:11

know, it took two years of releasing

28:14

guys and restructuring doing different things to

28:16

get out from underneath the, you know,

28:18

all the money that was pushed out into the

28:20

future. That's

28:23

what we said it was, you know, the competitive

28:26

rebuild to me is more like a

28:28

organizational remake. Like you're

28:30

trying to usher out

28:32

the old and bring in the new, and

28:35

I think that they're well on their way that

28:37

now. And I think 2025 is really going to be

28:40

when they have some flexibility with

28:43

their salary cap to make. And

28:45

the funny thing about that… Big moves with veterans, proven

28:47

veterans, and not have to rely on them. No,

28:49

you're talking like upper echelon day one

28:52

free agency big splash signings. And

28:55

what's funny is, you know, in some ways, if

28:57

this plays out like we all hope it does

29:00

for their sake, the

29:03

down season, the disappointment of 23 is

29:06

going to be far more productive than the fun

29:08

ride of 22 because of what transpired

29:10

last year. It

29:15

actually gave you a much clearer view of where

29:17

things were and what had to be changed. You

29:20

know, I mean, if Kirk doesn't get hurt,

29:22

has a great year and they go to

29:24

the playoffs, there ain't no guarantee he's gone.

29:26

He might be, but we don't know that

29:28

for sure. I just, I think this reset,

29:30

this new chapter was driven by the

29:32

events of 23 and I have no problem with

29:34

that. I wonder, and it's hard,

29:36

we'll never know, obviously, but even

29:38

if that scenario you said that happened, Kirk doesn't get hurt,

29:40

they have a good season. I

29:43

wonder if Quasi was unemotional about that

29:47

and looked at it more pragmatically like I

29:49

don't – because you go back to that first interview

29:52

he did with USA Today where he said

29:56

basically, I mean, spoke the truth. I mean,

29:58

you know, create headlines about it. Yeah Something

30:02

to the perspective. I don't know if Kirk Cousins is

30:04

the guy that's gonna lead. That's gonna win you a

30:06

champion, right? Yeah, or something. I can't remember the exact

30:08

basically said we don't have Brady. We don't

30:10

have Brady Yeah, which here if you do

30:13

but but yeah, but what he was saying was That's

30:17

a lot of money to tie it to a guy just to be good So

30:20

here's what I wanted out now

30:23

Royce's theory is that

30:25

they all wanted Kirk gone I

30:27

think O'Connell didn't I know the little one work

30:29

on so if they if if they come back

30:31

last year and Kirk continues And I mean Kirk

30:33

was playing really well and they play

30:35

really well and they make the playoffs I

30:38

think O'Connell in his mind had invested so

30:40

much time and equity and Kirk I

30:43

I'm not I'm not sure he's gone.

30:45

I mean he but but you know,

30:47

it's it's interesting because I think Quasi

30:49

is operating How can

30:51

I put this not in full control But if

30:53

the circumstances come to his side a little bit

30:55

like Kirk gets hurt, he's got an Achilles Yeah,

30:57

it makes a lot more sense to go to

31:00

Kevin and say I'm gonna have to pull the

31:02

plug You know, yeah, crazy crazy calls the Patriots

31:04

and offers them a really nice package and they're

31:06

like, no Thank you and they hang up you

31:08

go to Kevin and say dude, I tried. So

31:10

what else can we do? You know? Yeah,

31:13

I I Agree like

31:15

a coach is always gonna take a sure thing

31:17

over Prove it they had

31:19

court a quarterback in pretty much any roster

31:22

but I so

31:24

it would And

31:27

we know that that O'Connell

31:29

and cousins became close. I don't

31:31

know friends close, but I mean very close Their

31:34

families hung out. I mean we know they're But

31:39

I also I want to go back to your point about the

31:41

extensions and maybe that will happen and maybe

31:43

it won't but I do think You're

31:46

if you're a coach and you're starting over

31:49

at the quarterback and Ownerships on

31:51

board with it. I think there's either a Understanding

31:55

either said or unsaid that hey

32:00

little patience here. This is going to take some time

32:02

here. And so I think if you're a coach,

32:08

you're like, okay, they're allowing

32:10

us to hit reset

32:13

to start over basically. And

32:15

so I think they're going to have that time and that

32:17

runway. Well, and the way I see

32:19

it again, I think 25 is where

32:21

your window opens truly. And that would be, and

32:23

that would technically be the last year, the current

32:25

contracts. And I don't think they're going to lame

32:27

duck them. No. Yeah, it makes

32:30

sense. You're probably right. I mean, so I would

32:32

just extend them now. And look, you know what,

32:34

if the system works like this morning, when you

32:36

look at what they've done and you

32:38

look at the roster right now, you're pretty

32:40

optimistic about it. Yeah. You

32:42

know, there's not a lot to dump on here and

32:45

say that, you know, it

32:47

doesn't feel like it did at first when it's like,

32:49

what are you doing in the draft? Why, you know,

32:51

why are you signing Kirk to these extensions? Well,

32:54

and that's why, you know, people are like, ah, they had to trade

32:56

Justin Jefferson. What? No, you don't.

32:59

They're not trading Justin Jefferson. No, Justin Jefferson. Why would

33:01

you draft the quarterback? It's going to be in, he

33:03

can sleep when his head hits the

33:05

pillow, he can sleep just fine. Well, and

33:07

the thing is, it's like, on

33:09

what planet would you draft a quarterback and

33:12

then trade Justin Jefferson? You

33:15

couldn't have had two more, you know, opposing.

33:17

No, they're not trading Justin. I mean,

33:20

the whole plan is to surround this quarterback with the

33:22

best possible talent that you can. So you can,

33:24

um, yeah. Yeah.

33:27

Look at what he's got. Yes. It's

33:29

a, I mean, that's the thing we should discuss is

33:31

like, I do believe, I

33:33

don't think he was just saying this. Um,

33:37

when McCarthy said last night that all the quarterbacks wanted

33:39

to come, now, Kayla Williams, he wants to

33:41

go, you know, but I think in

33:43

that group where you didn't really know, you

33:45

know, is it the Vikings

33:47

or Broncos or whoever, if

33:50

you're being realistic and you looked at and you're

33:52

like, man, I can go play with Justin Jefferson

33:54

and Jordan Hessen and TJ Huygens for a coach

33:56

who's very involved with

33:58

the quarterback. And

34:02

you hear all the things, they're aware of those

34:08

player union things where the Vikings rank

34:10

high on the player and the facilities

34:12

and all that. So it

34:15

makes sense. He has two good

34:17

tackles. You

34:20

have the infrastructure in place

34:22

to support a rookie quarterback. Well,

34:25

yeah. And if you look at the six quarterbacks

34:27

that went in the first round last night, now,

34:29

I will say this, Caleb Williams,

34:31

in my opinion, now goes to a situation

34:33

that I like now. Now, I would rather

34:36

have O'Connell and Iberfus as my head coach.

34:38

But if you look at what Chicago is

34:40

doing that, that offense could

34:42

be a nightmare. And the

34:44

Vikings do have to get some cornerbacks because

34:46

that's going to be a problem. But

34:49

you know, in my opinion, Jayden Daniels goes

34:51

to play for Dan Quinn, who had some

34:53

success in Atlanta with Matt

34:56

Ryan. But you know, we don't know there. I

34:59

think Drake Mayes suffered a setback.

35:01

I do too. I think it's a bad

35:03

situation for him. That to me,

35:05

and I could be proven though,

35:08

that looks like one

35:11

of those classic, you're setting a guy up to fail.

35:14

Yeah. And people are talking about, well,

35:16

you don't understand. Jacoby Brissett's going to start.

35:19

We're talking about the Boston market. There's

35:22

going to be inherent, you think there's going to be

35:24

pressure here from McCarthy to play? Ain't

35:26

nothing like that. And

35:28

the Kraft family weighs in a lot. If

35:32

I was Drake May, I'd be like, this ain't great. You

35:35

know, PENEX to me. And

35:38

just to be clear, I don't like BONEX. I

35:41

liked PENEX, but to go there and to go

35:43

to a place where you have a quarterback and

35:45

now you're not going to play. If

35:47

I'm Michael PENEX this morning, I ain't happy. Well,

35:50

no, because one, you're at least going

35:52

to sit a year, possibly two. It's not going

35:54

to be the four or five, but possibly two,

35:57

definitely one. And you're

35:59

in. think Kirk Cousins is gonna open his arms

36:02

and... Exactly, exactly. I mean there's a reason why

36:04

the Vikings didn't do that. One, I thought it

36:06

was sort of cowardly on their part but two,

36:08

I think they knew the Cousins would just sort

36:10

of... It's awkward. Yeah.

36:13

I mean yes the Packers have done it and it you

36:15

know but it created some awkwardness at the end with you

36:17

know... I

36:20

understand drafting quarterback before you need but

36:23

you know I'm guessing

36:26

there's a little tension. How

36:29

about signing though but I mean you just

36:32

signed this guy you know in... I know.

36:34

In Brad... A month ago. Favre was pissed

36:36

about Rogers but Favre was nearing

36:38

the end of his contract. Sure.

36:41

I don't know... Rogers is so

36:43

weird I think he just ignored love but

36:46

but again he was in the midst of

36:48

a contract. You just signed a guy to

36:50

what you were talking about with

36:52

the thought of okay we're gonna improve this team we got

36:54

the eighth pick we can really improve this team and you

36:56

take another quarterback and then Bo Nix to

36:58

me is just a reach. And Pinnix is a

37:01

reach at eight. I just like him

37:03

more than Bo Nix. I like Pinnix. I mean

37:05

I thought he would be an

37:07

option if McCarthy wasn't there I

37:09

would have been fine with him. I thought Nix

37:12

was a reach. I just don't think he's

37:14

in that. I don't think he was in that same

37:16

group. He was a...

37:18

to me he's the ponder

37:22

of this draft from that draft which also was

37:24

deep in QBs. Now a lot of those guys

37:26

did fail but yeah you know it just feels

37:28

like oh my god they're all gone who should

37:30

we take let's just take Bo Nix. Last thing

37:32

for you what was your thoughts on the report

37:34

that came up from Adam Schefter right as the

37:36

draft was starting last night? That the

37:38

New England Patriots and Minnesota Vikings called

37:41

the LA Chargers about Justin Herbert. I

37:43

know that that you were at the

37:45

Quasi press conference when you asked about

37:47

it. Curious what your reaction to that

37:49

whole thing was? Quasi

37:51

shot it down obviously I

37:55

guess it wouldn't surprise

37:57

me you would call but... You

38:00

also mean I don't know how

38:02

that salary and dead money and all that you're

38:04

just it doesn't seem like it would make sense

38:06

Would it or even we kept hearing about it

38:09

and people were like it can't happen It won't

38:11

happen and but you know, it's not happening. No

38:13

one's calling anybody Chef

38:15

don't make stuff up. Well, no, he didn't make stuff

38:17

up. No, I mean Would

38:20

it surprise me that they called us to see what it would take?

38:24

No, I think you probably not doing

38:26

your job if you don't right but I

38:32

Don't know really how far it got how serious it

38:34

got if it was just one of those kicking the

38:36

tires type thing I don't know but to

38:40

me the most sense Judd was At

38:44

least financially it like with all the dead money and

38:46

all that I don't know how that would have worked

38:49

and Above my pay grade but

38:51

and and you would have been taken on and

38:53

and I like huge Herbert a lot.

38:55

I like him a lot. I love yeah Yeah, but you

38:57

would have been taking on a very

38:59

big contract. Yeah. Yeah, and so You

39:02

know again, they've done

39:04

all this work to try to free up the space

39:07

where they can try to build around

39:09

a young quarterback inexpensive So

39:12

it would be it would definitely been a departure from

39:14

the plan that they've been

39:16

building towards. Mm-hmm. So again,

39:19

I don't know how serious it was but It

39:23

was interesting But

39:26

with what they did makes sense what

39:28

they've done the first two years in

39:30

terms of setting himself up for this

39:32

the situation I do agree completely. So

39:34

here's what crazy said about the the

39:36

report. Okay? Yeah I wish I

39:38

could tell you how much joy we get from

39:40

seeing the stuff that gets written Those aren't things

39:42

that come out of this building. I don't know

39:45

what to tell you I don't know where this

39:47

stuff comes from sometimes it works out in our

39:49

favor. I can't even respond He

39:51

didn't deny. Yeah, they made the phone call.

39:53

I've seen that today, you know, he's denying

39:56

it. No, he's not Oh, he's just saying

39:58

we're not the leak. Yeah Yeah,

40:00

we didn't leak it. Yeah, no, I... If

40:04

Schechter said it, I'm guessing it's true, right? I

40:06

mean, he's trying to... But I'd love to know,

40:09

like, what was... if there was going to be

40:11

a proposal. Were they... now, because the rumor, when

40:13

this got out, the rumor was that they were

40:15

offering Daresaw in a package. I mean,

40:18

again, very bizarre. Yeah,

40:26

possibly. I mean, I don't doubt that

40:28

they called him, because you... like, why

40:30

wouldn't you? You know, I mean, that's... You

40:32

think O'Connell was like, I've lost Kirk. You

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got... I really like a veteran quarterback. Maybe.

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Like, and not just a bridge. Maybe let's, you

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know, try to take a big swing here. You'd

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probably come up with all kinds of scenarios to

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try to figure out that quarterback spot, you know?

40:47

I mean, it's like, okay, we can get Justin

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Herbert. Let's, you know, problem solved. Right. But

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you open a different problem

40:55

because of the finances, and then how are you going to... Well,

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the Chargers do too. Exactly.

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The other thing I'll say is this.

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I wonder if some of this is

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rumor or speculation about Herbert himself. If

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you are Justin Herbert, and you're about to

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be coached by Jim Harbaugh and Greg Romans,

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who love to run the

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football. Yeah. Well,

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we've seen that kid play.

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Justin Herbert is... he belongs

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in an offense, not a

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slice and dice ground game. Think about

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him last season. I mean, I

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like him a lot. I mean, his arm's down. He's just like...

41:36

What's with the ability to flick the ball? Do

41:38

you know? I know. Do you know

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how Hitler had some of that? I know. I mean, his arm's

41:42

straight. The flicking of the ball. I know. It's absurd. But he

41:44

has no... but I mean, the motion, he tightens it

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up. Yeah. Well, you know,

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if you're quenching it, just the

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fact that things that you laid out, you're

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probably like, hey, let's call Harbaugh. Just engage. See

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what, you know, what it would take now. You

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know, if I'm... chargers,

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I'm like, no, this guy's a

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franchise quarterback, you know, we're gonna, we're riding

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this out. So, but

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yeah, interesting on the left. All

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right, sir. Great stuff. I know you're going

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to the press conferences today for both of

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the first round picks. Make sure that you

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press McCarthy very hard in his outstanding hockey

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career for me. How about if you say,

42:21

I was like, oh wait a second, there's

42:23

Wayne Gretzky. What? You know, do

42:26

a search, Wayne Gretzky, if you have

42:28

any involvement with hockey and are a

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high pick, because there's somebody, there's

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another kid or two who got drafted at

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some point, Gretzky calls them too.

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Oh, okay. Huge class act. I think he's a

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huge class act. He told the story of a

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friend of a friend, I can't remember who it

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was, but yeah, that was a ultimate like, you

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see that would come. No, no, but,

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but you know, he was, he was

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really good. You know, yeah. Yeah.

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My guess is he's a red wings fan. Although

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he might be a black hockey fan, he's

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an Illinois kid originally, right? Yeah.

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Yeah, he's probably a group member. He might be a black hockey fan. So

43:04

he had to be a center, right? He had to be a center. That's

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my guess. You know, he might've been a defense man. He's

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big enough, right? Yeah. He

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talked about the physical part of it that he liked though. He's

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big enough to be a defense man. I mean, he could have

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played wing, but my guess is that his eggy was a center,

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because he probably dominated. That was my guess.

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I'm saying center or defense man. And

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if he wants to play for

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the wild, he wants to like.