My friend Mike Garrett joins us in the midst of the COVID-19 pandemic crisis to discuss the purpose in the process of suffering. Thank you for your patience as I took several months off to “counter balance” a few other goals and projects. I’m glad to be back doing the podcast, especially now, and I appreciate all of the continued positive feedback and support.

Some links for what we discussed in this episode:

• Falling Into Grace, by John Newton (I quote from this book several times in this episode). I found this book in an Episcopal church book store during a break at the Austin Film Festival, and it has turned into my “sleeper hit” of the year, book wise. An unexpected joy to read, and full of deep, applicable truth.

• The Bible Project - great videos, even better podcast (if you’re a fan of deep, long-format podcasts like I obviously am).