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now. So absolutely. So Michael,

1:02

let's kick it off with something hot. Let's

1:04

kick it off. I want to talk about

1:06

a couple of, well, something

1:08

I've learned from Glyph when I

1:11

was at PyBay last weekend, two

1:13

weekends ago, last weekend, I guess. Glyph gave

1:15

a really cool talk. Some of the talks

1:17

are starting to show up on YouTube, but it's

1:20

his talk is not there yet, or I would link to it. And

1:22

it was something along the lines of like how

1:24

to program your computer with Python, which

1:26

sounds silly because we're all

1:29

pretty good Python programmers. Like you should think,

1:31

okay, well I could do that. But this was about,

1:33

how do I automate stuff? How do I plug

1:36

into things? Like how can I automate

1:39

keynote to extract

1:42

show notes out to put into another document

1:45

or PowerPoint or, you know,

1:47

things along those lines. One of the things

1:49

that he both created and talked

1:52

about was this thing called Quick Mac

1:54

Hotkey, because you might want to have your

1:57

Python not have a UI you're

1:59

interacting with. But.

1:59

just be chilling in the background and if you hit a certain

2:02

hotkey, it does the thing, right? Yeah.

2:05

Yeah. So this quick Mac hotkey does that. And

2:07

basically, it's super simple to use.

2:10

It's just a set of minimal Python bindings

2:12

for macOS framework APIs

2:15

using... What is it? Use

2:17

for it to pull this off. Yeah, do it through

2:20

here. Oh yeah, PyOBJC,

2:23

I believe is what it's using. So you just

2:25

super easy to write some code. You want to have a

2:27

function that's called when a keystroke

2:30

is down, just give it the decorator quick

2:32

hotkey. And you say the virtual

2:35

key is the X, the modifier

2:37

is command control option.

2:40

So just hit all three of those plus X,

2:42

something that's most likely not going to interfere

2:45

with some other behavior and then boom, off

2:47

it goes. And look how simple that code is. Isn't

2:49

that nice? Yeah. Yeah, that's

2:51

pretty cool. Although I don't know if I can find

2:53

my command control and hotkey at the same time. Cool.

2:58

Yeah, I use a Windows keyboard, unfortunately,

3:00

because there's no ergonomic Mac keyboards.

3:03

Like, apparently Apple hates people and they

3:05

want them to have RSI for the rest of their life.

3:08

So doesn't they only make these... This is the window key to

3:10

map to the... Yeah, the window keys is just the command

3:12

key. Okay. So it's nothing

3:14

too fancy. So there's not a lot of depth and

3:16

then we got to dive into this other than how cool that

3:19

if you want to just add hotkeys here,

3:21

yeah, off you go. Okay, so when

3:23

you install it, does it just run all the time

3:26

or something? I think whenever

3:28

your app is running, like

3:30

so you can see the last line of this example says app helper

3:32

dot run event loop. So that's just

3:35

like set there in the background and just wait

3:37

for events. For example, it's this quick hotkey

3:39

callback when somebody presses that. So one

3:42

of those though could be exit and

3:44

just... I don't know how you exit the

3:46

event loop either raise an exception or just

3:48

exit or who knows. There's got to be a way

3:50

to get out of there. Reboot your computer. Exactly.

3:53

It's like them. You're just in there. Nice.

3:57

All right, over to you. I'm

4:00

going to talk about command lines applications

4:02

a little bit because Simon Wilson

4:04

had things I've learned about building

4:07

CLI tools in Python and I

4:09

really kind of like how all the stuff

4:11

he covered I really like them I mean,

4:13

this isn't a super in-depth like

4:16

how to write CLI tools But some

4:18

of the things like just high level when

4:20

you're writing command line applications It's

4:23

good to be rather consistent

4:25

with other command line applications to

4:27

make it easy to use because it's going to be Used

4:30

by people that like CLIs, right? So

4:33

The couple of option things

4:36

here Be consistent with

4:38

them with the terms. Well, you

4:40

have to kind of understand the terms, but there's commands. There's

4:43

arguments There's options and flags and

4:45

sometimes flags are options and

4:47

yeah, anyway So

4:50

commands that have our he's using click

4:52

application so the he actually talks

4:54

about click and also

4:57

using a cookie cutter template

4:59

that he Lists at hook

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app on Simon W on github but

5:04

the or yeah cookie cutter

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Template to build these which is cool.

5:10

I like typer and which is built on

5:12

top of click So anyway, but these

5:14

are these are still good good advice

5:17

like make sure that your options

5:20

What you know what options are and then make sure you

5:22

have like a short character So if

5:24

you have dash dash port also include

5:26

like Dash P in

5:30

As a short version because people are used

5:32

to that there's a

5:34

mostly just a lot of Description

5:37

around making sure your flags and options

5:39

and stuff are consistent and

5:42

I actually think people ought to get used to writing

5:44

more CLI apps because especially

5:46

for utilities for yourself and for

5:49

a team, they're great because You'll

5:52

use it all the time and it's it's you

5:54

get used to it. It's easier than building

5:57

a GUI application so

5:59

consistency everything, try to be consistent with

6:01

it. One of the great things, the

6:03

great advice here is pay

6:06

attention to your help message. So a lot

6:09

of CLI tools like Typer

6:12

and Click kind of build the help

6:15

for you so that it prints out like

6:17

the options and stuff that you can list

6:19

which is great but you have to go

6:21

in and add things like put

6:25

examples. So example uses of

6:27

like the entire application or the entire

6:30

option and how to use it. This

6:32

is extremely helpful and I really

6:34

appreciate it even just for myself so

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that like six months from now I

6:39

can remember how to use it, things like that. So

6:41

include options in the help and then the other

6:43

thing is the lastly...

6:46

Oh, examples in help and

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there's a couple other things. Oh, include

6:52

the output of your help in your online documentation

6:55

and there's ways to automate that but I

6:57

think that's great to just list it because I'm

7:00

looking for it when I'm looking at the like at the

7:02

bottom of the read me or something. The

7:05

lastly is if

7:07

you have a CLI that's being used by other

7:09

people, make sure that you version

7:11

it appropriately because

7:15

it is an API. A command line interface

7:17

can be used by other programs so

7:20

treated as an API even if the

7:22

other user is somebody's fingers. Because

7:25

if things change people should know about it. So anyway,

7:28

good application or a good

7:30

article about building command line applications and

7:33

then his cool cookie cutter template

7:35

for click apps. It's nice. Excellent.

7:37

Yeah, nice work Simon. A couple

7:39

of pieces of real-time follow-up here.

7:42

One, audience is on

7:44

point today. So Kim out there says

7:46

rich click is also fantastic

7:49

if you use click and I definitely

7:51

agree on that. So check it out. It's like click

7:53

but all the help messages

7:56

and stuff are in color using you know rich

7:58

and like little info box. and

8:00

stuff and then Rhett who

8:02

Rhett who was on talk python

8:05

to talk about programming Mac apps Mac

8:08

OS apps highlights that you

8:10

know This quick

8:12

hockey thing sounds like a good opportunity

8:14

for a rump menu bar app. So

8:17

rumps is awesome I was actually

8:19

thinking of adding this hockey thing exactly

8:21

for one of my rumps menu bar

8:23

apps Which is just an unfair

8:26

level of easy for building a Mac app that

8:28

your friends in your menu bar Cool. Yeah,

8:30

we've talked about that but it's been a while. It has

8:32

been a while, but you've got it for me I've got to go and

8:35

find it and like make it do the thing. I'm like,

8:37

you know what hotkey. Oh, yeah

8:39

Here we go. Now it's on now.

8:42

It's going to the next level. So yeah,

8:44

super cool All right That's not what I want to talk about but some

8:46

good real-time follow-up What I want to talk about

8:48

is warp and this is also an item

8:51

from pi bay and directly I ran into

8:53

Elvis who works there And have you heard

8:55

of warp Brian? No,

8:57

well, I mean warp speeds. Yes, I know

9:00

Okay, gotta resist the Star Wars references It's

9:03

super cool So what terminal do you

9:05

use like when you go to use the built-in

9:08

Mac one to use I term to or what's

9:10

your story? Well, I've used the built-in Mac

9:12

one On Mac and

9:14

then on Windows I use

9:17

the but Windows terminal. Well,

9:19

I I Was

9:21

a good one. No, the

9:24

the get bash Get for Windows

9:26

bash comes with bash. So I use

9:28

that. Okay. Yeah You should check out the Windows

9:30

terminal and then plug the get for bash into it You

9:33

get like it behaves better and you can pick

9:35

from like nine different shells and like things

9:37

that run inside the Windows terminal Anyway, hmm

9:39

Windows terminal is awesome But we don't have

9:41

Windows terminal on Mac which is just fine

9:43

because we have I term and other things But I want to tell you about

9:45

warp because warp is a new terminal

9:50

It's got quite a bit of energy behind it and

9:53

it's it's awesome So I think there's 30

9:56

people working this project if I remember correctly, but there's

9:58

there's a good number of people that are working

10:01

on building this new terminal based on

10:03

Rust. It even is programmed

10:06

in metal shaders. Metals are like the OpenGL

10:08

DirectX Mac equivalent for

10:11

making it super, super fast. But basically,

10:13

there's a bunch of shortcomings that always drove me crazy

10:16

about the terminal. And there's a lot of things

10:18

that are pretty nice here. So it's

10:20

a free thing for individuals. If you're a company, you got to pay

10:22

for it if you want to company features.

10:25

But it's worth checking out. So

10:28

for example, if you write something, Brian,

10:30

like I write some multi

10:32

line command, and you're like, Oh, no,

10:34

I forgot the quote at the beginning, you

10:36

know, how do you fix it in iterm?

10:39

Left arrow, left arrow, left arrow, left arrow, left arrow,

10:41

like even home doesn't work, you know, left arrow, left

10:43

arrow, left arrow, you wait and get back there and you type

10:46

the quote, right arrow, right arrow to get the focus

10:48

back, like clicking where

10:51

you want to be doesn't work. Right? For

10:53

example, well, he's used them key bindings

10:55

and just go there with them. Do

10:57

you have them key bindings in the

11:00

mat as the standard terminal? Yes, everywhere.

11:02

Yeah. Okay. All

11:05

right. But awesome. Well, so this

11:07

one, like basically all the stuff you type

11:09

at the bottom, or wherever you're typing is

11:12

like a full on editor, which also has them

11:14

key bindings. Yeah. Okay.

11:17

Okay. You can turn them on if you want.

11:19

But you can basically click in there and edit pieces

11:22

like you can double click, it'll select a word, you start typing

11:24

or places that super cool. It

11:27

has like a kind of a new way

11:29

to like keep your input

11:31

focused in one area, which is really nice. So

11:34

instead of it just being at the bottom of the screen, you can have

11:36

it like always at the top or always to the bottom. One

11:38

of the things that's cool is like it treats the output

11:41

of every command as solid

11:44

as one thing. So if I do like an LS

11:46

and there's like 50 lines and I tell

11:49

a catalog or something, there's like 1000 lines.

11:52

And then if you want to go back, you can actually

11:54

just go back by selecting

11:56

each block of that. So go back 1000 lines, go

11:58

back 50 lines. search, you can search

12:00

just that 50 line section from that

12:02

one command even though your terminal is full of junk. Super,

12:05

super cool. It does tons

12:07

of autocomplete which is super neat. Let's

12:10

see, one thing else. You can, if

12:13

you do some kind of command, you're just talking about

12:15

like Simon asking chat GPT

12:17

for what does like a command mean. So

12:19

if you said like ls-1, what does the 1 mean?

12:23

You know, you hover over the 1,

12:25

it'll like pop up a little documentation for

12:27

what dash 1 means. Oh,

12:29

that's cool. Yeah. Also has AI

12:32

built in if you want. I might use that very much but you could

12:34

like say hash. How do I, you know, write

12:36

this kind of loop in bash or whatever and

12:38

it'll, it'll print it out for you

12:41

but I don't use that one too much. But anyway, super,

12:43

super cool. A lot of interesting

12:45

things. It has the control R history

12:49

kind of like McFly

12:51

which I've talked a lot about how cool McFly is. So

12:54

giving this thing a try for a few weeks, really enjoying it so

12:56

far. Cool. I'm supposed to try it. Yeah. So

12:58

people can check that out and yeah, pretty

13:01

neat. Kim says we've come a long way

13:03

from a few years ago when Windows terminal in

13:05

awesome is in the same sentence. I

13:08

thought it was a joke also. I didn't, I

13:11

can't believe that you said that but. No, Windows

13:13

terminal is, it's, I

13:15

don't want to be on Wikipedia but it is definitely,

13:18

definitely nice. So I'm not on my

13:20

Windows machine and I'm not sharing my

13:22

terminal anyway but let's see if I can

13:24

get it to show hotkey.

13:27

So like, and it doesn't really show it great

13:29

but you can click on this, like you set

13:31

what the default shell is that

13:33

you wanted to do but then you can click this and it'll be like

13:36

the bash shell, the power

13:40

shell, whatever. That thing's playing

13:42

music, I can't take it. But yeah, anyway,

13:44

the Windows, yeah, check out Windows terminal. It's actually good

13:47

and Kim is right. We've come a long ways but

13:49

yeah. Okay, all right.

13:52

You convinced me I think. So let's try it.

13:54

Give it a try, give it a try. All right,

13:57

what's your final thing? People should check out Warp, it's

13:59

pretty neat. I will, yeah. Oh,

14:01

hold on. One more important thing here. Mac

14:03

only for the moment for people,

14:05

but they're working on Linux and Windows. So you can

14:08

sign up to get notified if you're not a Mac

14:10

person. So just that caveat

14:12

for now. Python 3.7

14:17

end of life, and I didn't even notice.

14:20

What? That was a good one.

14:22

That was one of the good ones. You can trust that

14:24

one. So 3.7 end

14:26

of life was in June, in June 27th. No,

14:30

that was the first release. End of

14:32

life also. End of life, 6.27.23. Interesting.

14:35

But why did I not notice it? I didn't notice

14:38

it because everybody's... Like

14:40

you said, 3.7 was one of the good ones. We

14:42

have data classes in there. Fstrings

14:44

came in 3.6, and they got improved

14:47

in 3.7, and then they got improved in 3.10 again,

14:50

and all sorts of stuff. But

14:52

it is something to pay attention to. The

14:56

first notice today was

14:58

looking at the VS Code announcement

15:01

for the new... What was this? Python

15:04

for Visual Studio Code, October, 2020. Re-release

15:07

mentions that the 3.7

15:11

support, it still probably

15:13

works, but they're deprecating 3.7 in support. So

15:17

just to be aware. I

15:19

was also... I'm surprised if it didn't work because

15:22

what was removed in 3.8, that was

15:24

in 3.7, like syntax-wise, not

15:28

functional-wise, I can't think of anything.

15:31

Yeah. So there's

15:34

a couple of projects or several projects that

15:36

I'm supporting where I support

15:38

down to 3.7. I dropped 3.6

15:41

a while ago. But one of the things

15:43

that catches me a lot, the remaining

15:46

thing that catches me is

15:48

annotations and specific... I

15:51

want to cover... If you really want to still support 3.7

15:55

or didn't know that it was this easy, at

15:57

least for the code I write, the main thing is... is

16:00

I like to use union types. So

16:03

I like to use this or type for unions.

16:06

And this came in in 3.10. However,

16:08

I can't find this documented

16:11

anywhere, but to get it to work down to 3.7, you

16:14

can do from future import

16:16

annotations. And

16:19

we've been used to using the from future for

16:21

various things for a while, but it looks like 3.7 might

16:23

be the end of

16:25

needing from future for a while. I don't know,

16:28

maybe they'll come up with something else that they're backboarding.

16:30

But it doesn't look like there's anything else right

16:32

now up to 3.12 that you need

16:35

to go back down. It's just

16:38

annotations so far. So I

16:41

guess I wanna show a little bit of an example

16:43

for the annotations. So for

16:46

data classes, data classes are awesome

16:48

because you can type the variable

16:51

that you're using. And then

16:54

I often like to have it be none

16:56

by default, which so a string,

16:59

it's gonna be a string or it's none. So

17:01

the or none is easy just to do the or none.

17:03

And I know you can do optional, but this is just visually

17:06

more pleasing to me. And to

17:08

get that to work down to 3.7, it's

17:11

just the from future import annotations

17:13

and it'll work all the way down to 3.7. So just

17:16

what I wanted to mention. And

17:19

I think that it's also good to be aware, I

17:21

guess that 3.7 is end of life

17:25

because some of the things you depend on

17:27

might start dropping support for 3.7. It's

17:30

fair game at this point. So I

17:32

mean, open source projects, they're fair

17:34

game to drop support for everything

17:36

below 3.12 if they want to. No

17:39

one's signed a contract with anyone here. They can do

17:41

what they want. Yeah, but it's good

17:43

to be aware. So it certainly is. That's

17:47

a cool graph you got there too. Yeah, yeah. Is

17:49

that in the show notes? Yeah, it's from devguide.python.org

17:53

with the versions. Yeah,

17:56

Christian Lederman says, Walrus

17:58

was introduced in 3.8. I don't know

18:01

if you can do it from future import walrus.

18:03

I don't think so So

18:06

do you have to do an emoji? Not the

18:08

actual word walrus, but you got to put the emoji

18:10

of a walrus and then it'll work Well i'm

18:12

waiting for like emoji operators.

18:15

Uh, so that'll be fun to have

18:17

Yeah have to put not just can

18:19

put but you have to put emojis in your code

18:22

So what happens when the cat raises its paw

18:24

against an integer? Oh, let me tell you that one's

18:27

really awesome. Yeah Uh,

18:29

yeah, some of those conversations like uh christian

18:31

was saying that I think where like or I was saying

18:34

You know, what is in three seven that's not in

18:36

three eight and those are all true all

18:38

those things like there are new things But if

18:40

you wrote three seven code and then

18:43

ran it against three eight It should still

18:45

validate in my pi it should still work

18:48

in python, right? There's no thing that was in

18:50

three seven that because my

18:53

pi is not supporting it It will say well that used

18:55

to work and it doesn't work anymore because python

18:57

is pretty awesome and stable like that There might

18:59

have been there's one point. I think it was in

19:01

three nine though where like

19:03

the async i-o Co-routine

19:06

decorator was removed that caused all sorts

19:08

of drama for me because some library

19:10

I was using didn't use the word async They

19:13

just used the decorators, but even that

19:15

a decorator should still validate in my pi with

19:17

that context, right? Yeah I

19:19

guess I want to i'll um, maybe i'll

19:21

revisit my opinion of uh Supporting

19:24

three eight or three seven because

19:26

uh, so we we can use the walrus

19:29

operator in three eight but henry

19:31

schreiner also noticed that notes that

19:33

um, The the equal

19:35

for f strings so that you can say um,

19:38

like x equal and it'll print

19:40

the x equal That's super handy.

19:42

Um, yeah, that's good for debugging Yeah, and just

19:44

having having that stuff in your uh in

19:47

your code like that'd be great So

19:49

yeah, and these things are super small and subtle

19:51

like the walrus operator I take I took the website

19:54

down with the walrus operator once I said I told

19:56

that story before Yeah, and like

19:58

not even the main website just it was in a little utility

20:00

but it got parsed by the route finding

20:02

thing and killed it. All right. Well, that's it for items,

20:05

huh? Yeah, it is. Awesome. Extras,

20:08

what you got? I got a couple since I got

20:10

my screen up. Just one of the examples

20:12

I showed was from a new plugin

20:14

that I just released called PyTest

20:16

Param Scope. And this allows you

20:18

to, for parameterized

20:21

fixtures or for parameterized tests, to

20:23

have a startup that

20:25

goes, a setup that happens before all

20:27

the parameters and a tear down that happens at the end.

20:30

It's still the API is up.

20:33

There's a warning here because there's the API might

20:36

change with respect to tear down working

20:39

on yield functions for that. I

20:42

was going to cover this as a full thing. Oh,

20:44

yeah, this is just sort of how you use it. Like

20:47

a setup and tear down. Oh, no, this is

20:49

how I want to do it. This is the change that I might do

20:52

of adding yield. So anyway, Simon

20:55

Wilson wrote

20:58

an article called Stop Defining

21:00

People. No, not Simon Wilson. Sorry.

21:03

Josh Simmons. Sorry, Josh. Wrote

21:06

an article called Stop Defining People

21:08

by What They Are Not. And

21:11

he was referring to non-code contributors.

21:14

And I kind of agree. So I wanted to highlight this

21:16

article. This is great. Just

21:18

basically saying all contributions

21:20

are awesome and trying to

21:23

end the elevating code contributors

21:25

above non-code

21:27

contributors is just not right. So don't do

21:29

that. Also, it's just referring.

21:32

I mean, if somebody only writes just

21:35

mostly helps with your test code,

21:38

you don't have to call them. I mean, you can

21:40

say somebody that's contributing test code. You don't

21:42

have to say, oh, that's non-code. Well, that's

21:44

still code. But anyway, you know what I mean. Yeah.

21:47

People helping with documentation is great help. People

21:50

helping with writing tutorials is great help.

21:52

Everything is good. Sometimes

21:55

it's more important to have a good example

21:57

so people can get started quickly. enjoy

22:00

the project rather than like one more feature, you know.

22:02

Yeah and also things like cleaning,

22:05

triaging issues and answering

22:07

questions and keeping, you

22:09

know, making sure that all the issues are closed

22:11

when things get fixed and all that sort

22:13

of stuff is tons of work. So

22:16

it's great help. So yeah, absolutely.

22:18

Do you have any extras? I got a couple quick

22:20

ones here. So OpenAI has released

22:23

the beta version of their Python SDK.

22:26

It's pretty exciting. So if you

22:29

don't want to implement your own raw

22:31

HTTP JSON parsing

22:33

and hope that you got everything right, you just

22:36

go there, start calling the functions that they write for you

22:38

and it should be going nicely.

22:40

So it's still in beta, but people can

22:42

check that out. That's pretty awesome. I think was it

22:45

here? I can't remember somewhere. I know it wasn't here.

22:47

Maybe it's on the linked article. There was somewhere where there's

22:49

a bunch of people whinging like, why

22:52

can't people just call HTTP? They're so

22:54

lazy. They want a library. We're like, you know what?

22:56

Maybe like let somebody else handle the

22:59

evolution of that API. You just call a stable

23:01

Python set of functions and not worry

23:03

about that. Wouldn't call that lazy. I would call that

23:05

IPI. Call it awesome.

23:08

Anyway, so people are into OpenAI.

23:10

What do you need Python for? Just

23:12

call the raw C

23:14

API. Exactly. Can

23:16

I just do this with like a bunch of bash

23:19

scripts and some curl? Let's go. All right. So

23:22

sad news here is

23:25

chat GPT. No, stack

23:28

overflow. Probably because partly

23:30

a chat GPT. Get that in order right there.

23:32

Stack overflow is laying off 28% of their

23:35

staff. It's kind of surprising, huh? Yeah.

23:38

Which turns out to be a hundred to 200 people. Like a lot

23:41

of people, not like they had four people and they

23:43

laid one of them off. But it was really

23:46

the important.

23:50

Well exactly what you say you do here. No.

23:54

I didn't know that stack overflow had so many people

23:56

working for him though. I know. It was

23:58

founded just by Joel Spence. Bolsky

24:01

and Cody nor a guy

24:03

whose name I don't remember anyway But yeah, it's going

24:05

to be super super big and I don't know I

24:07

always sometimes I wonder like do you really need a

24:10

thousand people to run that website? I mean maybe

24:12

but maybe you just don't Anyway,

24:15

that's a whole different discussion. But So

24:18

there's some interesting conversation saying maybe

24:20

this is because of chat GPT and

24:22

Google co-pilot And all these

24:24

other things like instead of going to Stack Overflow

24:27

to go How do I connect this

24:30

type of thing to that type of database? You

24:32

can just ask your coding assistant

24:34

or your chat buddy and

24:36

you'll get a great example Oftentimes more

24:39

specific right like yeah, but I'm using this

24:41

version. Oh, well if it's that version you got to pass this

24:44

argument, too Right. Thanks. Got it. You

24:46

know, so this is pretty

24:48

interesting Odd

24:52

or weird like six months ago Stack Overflow

24:54

wrote a blog post that what's different about these layoffs

24:57

in the tech industry Not us. We're fine

24:59

everyone else and then you know six months

25:01

later You know go

25:04

back and read you an article sadly So that's

25:07

an interesting thing to be aware

25:09

of I guess. Yeah, Yuri Sullivan

25:11

a Sullivan of just pointed

25:13

out or posted on the

25:16

X that UV loop 18 is

25:18

here with Python 12 a 312 support So

25:22

I was trying to use 312 on

25:24

a couple of the talk Python things and

25:26

the websites like new UV

25:28

loop no a I O HTTP definitely

25:31

not gonna work on Python 312 Which is

25:33

I think a I O HTTP still

25:35

doesn't work and sadly some rummy

25:38

dependency that I have is like Using

25:40

that library which itself is not being upgraded 312

25:43

at least as of like a few days ago So

25:45

this gets me halfway there the two things that wouldn't

25:48

install one more to go hanging in there for

25:50

a I O HTTP Come on now. Well, yeah, good

25:52

news nonetheless. Thanks. You're a for do that. Oh,

25:54

and thanks Kim for reminding us that

25:56

it was Jeff Atwood Yeah, of course. It

25:58

was. Thank you, Kim. That's That's the guy that went

26:00

by coding or that's what happens when you have too popular

26:03

of a Nickname that you've given yourself

26:05

like coding horror. Yeah blog. Yeah,

26:07

plus that love the the Logover

26:09

icon that you got I could just see it in

26:12

my head. So I can't like the hair on

26:14

fire Yeah, you know a picture. Yep. Yeah.

26:16

All right. Those are all my extras that I got for now Yeah

26:20

ready for a joke. I am we might

26:22

even have two jokes, but yeah, I've got one I

26:24

wanted to Cheryl so all right So this

26:26

one comes from command line magic,

26:29

but was pointed out to us by Lizzie and

26:32

I love it. Hey, I'm Kennedy maybe for the show and The

26:35

command line magic says I've always read

26:38

that global variables are bad So this

26:40

is a Star Trek thing and I'm gonna make you bigger.

26:42

Yes, the Star Trek things shows I

26:45

can't remember this character's name this woman scientist

26:48

on a shuttle for this all from Star

26:50

Trek and they're like going right through The

26:53

near the edge of the Sun to do

26:56

some studying and she wants to be real

26:58

careful to make sure that you know This

27:00

ship doesn't melt and so she says computer

27:03

notify me if temperatures get too

27:05

hot beep beep Please define hot

27:07

says the computer. Let's say 1.9 million

27:09

Kelvin. Okay fair later captain

27:12

Picard Is that the

27:14

like the little food making thing?

27:16

You know that materializes food. It says

27:18

he Earl Grey hot Just

27:21

mouth. They just like yeah set to the 1.9

27:24

million Kelvin in his captain's

27:26

quarters Yeah,

27:30

like it yeah Maybe

27:33

that's bad tea was a real hot. Yeah,

27:35

okay. What's your joke? Oh my

27:38

so my daughter shared this with me and I just like

27:40

kids. I haven't stopped giggling about

27:42

it. So Did you have

27:44

you been to the Oregon Zoo, right? Yes. Yeah,

27:47

did you do you know there's a new exhibit there? It's

27:51

just a baguette in a cage. Oh,

27:53

it's bread and captivity. Oh

27:56

my gosh bread and captivity That's

28:00

hard to do, you know, a lot of times you try,

28:02

but it just doesn't happen, does it? I

28:04

guess they pulled it off. Yeah. Awesome.

28:07

Bad dad joke. Those are very

28:09

bad dad jokes. I was just

28:11

thinking about going to the... I haven't been there since maybe

28:14

a year. I was thinking about taking my daughter back

28:16

there. What's weird is we

28:18

almost always go to zoo lights. So

28:22

I see a lot of animals, but they're all

28:25

in lights instead of actual... the actual

28:27

animals. Exactly. Yeah,

28:30

just put them on the wall and have them

28:32

flashing for Christmas. That's right. Yeah.

28:36

I actually really appreciate the... During COVID, they

28:38

like started doing the drive-through

28:40

zoo lights and they

28:43

still do it like part way,

28:45

so you can do drive-through for a couple days or

28:47

something and then they switch to walking. I

28:50

like driving through. It's nice. Yeah,

28:52

it was nice. Definitely nice. All

28:54

right. Well, we're coming up on the end of the year, so

28:56

we'll have to get a report on the zoo lights.

29:00

Yeah. And the bread and the captivity bread. Bread.

29:03

Bread.

29:04

Bye. All right.