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Hello and welcome to Python bytes where

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to earbuds This is

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episode 365

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Wow recorded like we've been doing it for a

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year. Yeah Recorded

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December 19th 2023. Yeah, and I'm Brian Auchin Hey,

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I'm Michael Kennedy. And yeah, if we did it if

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somebody listened to one a day now from

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like now on they would be behind

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because we'll be way ahead of 365

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by the time they finish but Still

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be awesome Well

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want to kick us off with something cool.

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Oh before we kick it off. Yeah, go

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bytes, so Indeed.

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Hey, do I feel like I'm really

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fast Brian like neo in the matrix?

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mind-bendingly fast Let's

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go with yes. Okay. I appreciate

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that cuz this I just got fiber

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in Gigabit fiber installed

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30 minutes ago. So hoping

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it wouldn't destroy the show, but it almost almost didn't make it

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but it made it Oh nice.

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So hopefully that doesn't curse it that

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something's wrong and it will crash but 950

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megabit down which is fine, but 950 megabit

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up is glorious We should like

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we should speed up the the playback speed when we release the mp3

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so it sounds really fast Yeah, no, let's let's talk about let's talk

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about about

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Hatch because Hatch is awesome. Ofek is

2:03

the maintainer creator of Hatch and boy

2:06

oh boy has he gone big on his

2:08

latest release 1.8.0. So Hatch is like Flit

2:13

is like PDM is like

2:15

Pip, ENV and many of these

2:17

other poetry others if I'm

2:20

leaving your version of this out

2:22

I apologize. But

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with version 1.8 this has gone

2:29

in a bit of a different direction. Now I

2:31

had Ofek on the Python

2:34

packaging panel. Steve Dauer is

2:36

there, some other folks were there. Really

2:40

interesting that there's

2:42

this tension between should

2:44

there be an app that

2:46

manages Python environments with

2:49

Python or should there be a thing that

2:51

manages the Python itself.

2:54

Kind of like Py

2:56

ENV for example. So

2:59

Hatch has gone in that

3:01

direction of now Hatch manages

3:03

Python not just Python projects

3:07

and there's this thing

3:09

to solve this problem in the form

3:11

of PyApp. So PyApp is even maybe

3:14

more awesome. PyApp is

3:16

a runtime installer for

3:18

Python projects written in Rust and

3:21

they can be you ready for this

3:23

I'm so so excited. Your

3:26

Python app can be distributed

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as a standalone executable a

3:30

.exe or .app for users.

3:32

What do you think Brian? I'm very

3:35

interested in finding out more. Now

3:37

this whole post is a little bit wordy

3:39

so let me jump into the omnivore version

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of it over here which has a huge icon. So

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Ofek says look one

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of the things that's been a perpetual problem for

3:49

Hatch and all the others I named is that

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Python itself is a dependency. So

3:53

in order to use Hatch or any of these other tools or

3:56

any apps you have to say well go get Python and then

3:58

get back to me and we'll start talking right. So

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he came up with this thing called PyApp that

4:03

will create installers for the different

4:05

platforms. Claims is trivial. It's

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probably never trivial, but possible would

4:10

be awesome even. And

4:13

so starting with this, releases not

4:18

only are the binaries available for

4:20

every platform, but there are installers,

4:22

as in like install wizards on

4:24

Windows and a DMG type thing

4:26

I'm guessing or a PKG on

4:29

Mac OS. That's

4:31

awesome. If you've ever in

4:33

the recent days tried to put

4:35

something onto Mac OS

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or Windows, there's

4:41

a whole nightmare of digitally signing

4:43

around it, Brian. So you

4:45

can't just get a binary and give it to somebody.

4:47

The platforms will freak out. They won't let you

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open it. Like Mac OS will not let you

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open it unless you go into settings and say,

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allow me to run apps from untrusted developers. And

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Windows gives you this big scary dialogue and tries to

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not run it. So that's

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why this next part is- It's not developers

5:05

that you don't trust. It's developers that Apple

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doesn't trust. Yes, exactly. You may or may

5:09

not trust them, but that's

5:11

a different conversation. It's

5:14

a fair feature, but it makes creating

5:16

desktop and distributed apps super painful. So

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check this out. Halfway there. Installer

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for Mac OS is signed

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using a certificate. Your

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apps built with this are already trusted. Honestly,

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I don't know how this is possible. I

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know why how it works.

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I'm not sure how it's allowed,

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but I'm all for it. Because

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I've dealt with Apple and they are

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not lenient in any

5:45

way, chamberful, when it comes to

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stuff running on their platform. So

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the installer for the Mac OS is signed using

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the certificate from the same account used

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to sign the official distributions of Python so

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you won't get any security warnings or blocking.

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Thank you, Ederbin, for helping out with that.

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And Hatch itself with

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any good system is self-updating so you

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can hatch self-update. But also I want

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to point out there's also a new

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Python like hatch space Python command

6:12

group that will allow you to manage things so

6:14

you can show what you

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have installed. You can install different versions of

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Python, C Python and

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PyPy for those. It works

6:24

with virtual environments. It has built

6:26

in rough and rough format integrations.

6:29

And traditionally

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it's been somewhat slow

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to like activate and set

6:35

up a virtual environment that's

6:38

already previously been installed because it'll refresh

6:40

and recheck that all of the dependencies

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are there and everything. So

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now it does a hash of those. And

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so only if the dependency statement

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doesn't match the hash, right, basically,

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so it'll pre-compute all that stuff.

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So now it should be basically

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instant. So also some minor

6:58

breaking changes around build defaults.

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And then your app build target targets what I've

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been raving about. So, in fact,

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you killed it. Can't believe it. It's awesome. Awesome.

7:09

So yeah, hatch has

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hashes. If

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you hash, if you hash a hatch with hash

7:17

Ling and you know, like, we've got a tongue

7:19

twister in there, we could do. I'm not doing

7:21

it though. I'm excited

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about this. It's very cool. I definitely want

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to play with it. Yeah. Yes,

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indeed. What would you? All

7:32

right. Well, I'm not

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sure how long this has been out, but Hinnock

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has been promoting

7:39

a new project that he's

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got called services or SVCS,

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which is short for services and

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pronounced services. And it is

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a, I

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think it could be used for more than web

7:54

stuff, but the intent I think was for

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removing some of the boilerplate code. from

8:01

hooking up dependencies and

8:03

different like your

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database and your cache

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and all sorts of stuff to an application. Typically

8:11

a web application, but I think it could really

8:13

be anything. But it's

8:15

a flexible service locator. One

8:18

of the reasons why I haven't covered

8:20

it yet on Python bytes, I don't think

8:22

I have, is because I didn't quite understand

8:24

what it was doing, and it took me

8:26

a while to get my head around it.

8:30

But it's pretty cool

8:32

and Henik apparently realizes

8:35

that it is a bit difficult to

8:37

get your head around what this is

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doing. So he just recently

8:41

released a video describing

8:43

this project. So really

8:46

great video

8:50

describing services, what you

8:52

can do with it, and also how to

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pronounce his name. He doesn't pronounce his last

8:57

name though. Apparently that's left for maybe episode

9:00

two. But

9:05

anyway, it's

9:07

pretty cool. Actually, I'm pretty excited about

9:09

it after watching it, watching

9:12

the video. I thought

9:14

maybe it wouldn't be for me,

9:16

but especially for keeping services contained

9:18

or the setting up services, looking

9:21

them up within different parts of your

9:23

application, and then getting

9:27

them all cleaned up correctly at the end, that's

9:29

what it does plus a whole bunch of other

9:31

stuff. One of the neat

9:33

things is throughout all of this documentation, the documentation

9:35

is amazing. Throughout all the

9:38

documentation, he has examples in

9:40

AIOHTP, Fast

9:43

API, Flask, Pyramid, and Starlet. The

9:48

video is talking about Flask, but it's cool

9:50

that he just already hit all the bases.

9:53

How do I do this in Starlet?

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Well, it's just a little different, mostly

9:57

similar. little

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different ways to use it throughout the

10:03

different applications. So it's pretty cool.

10:05

He also mentions in the video that he

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took a really long time really

10:11

talking about the terminology in the

10:13

glossary of the documentation. And actually

10:17

I really appreciate this of somebody

10:19

saying okay this is

10:21

generally what I think of is what the

10:24

meanings for all these words are

10:27

and it's a lot of these words are

10:30

they're overused in the English language to begin

10:32

with and even in talking about programming web

10:34

programming. But things like what is the service,

10:37

what is a resource, what is

10:39

a dependency, service layer. He

10:41

goes through a whole bunch of different terms, what

10:43

it means to him

10:45

and probably to everybody else. But if

10:48

you're unfamiliar with them. And

10:50

even a decent discussion of dependency injection.

10:52

So one of

10:54

the things he talks about is that this

10:56

is not really a dependency injection

10:58

thing. It's in version of control but

11:01

it's a little different than service

11:04

locators are a little different than dependency

11:06

injection. And I kind of

11:08

appreciate that discussion. It's pretty cool. So

11:10

anyway kudos to Henik for

11:12

doing this and for helping

11:14

us pronounce his name. Yeah that

11:17

looks cool. I definitely want to check this out. It's news

11:19

to me so I will be checking out.

11:23

Cool. Mm-hmm. We

11:26

have new leaders. Brian.

11:30

We do. Yes for the Python

11:32

world we have new leaders and

11:34

specifically the steering council election

11:37

results are in for next

11:39

year. Okay. So for

11:42

the 2024 term we

11:45

have Pablo Galindo Salgado. We've

11:47

got Gregory Smith, Emily Morehouse,

11:50

Barry Warsaw and Thomas Werthers.

11:53

So very cool to see them all

11:55

leaving the way. There's a lot of familiar

11:57

faces there. So that's. It's

12:00

pretty cool. I don't expect a whole lot

12:02

of different from the year

12:04

before, but here's the results. You

12:06

could actually see in PEP 8105, let's

12:10

see everybody who was

12:13

potentially a candidate, how many votes

12:16

they got by people who are disenfranchised. I don't know

12:18

what that means. Or the

12:20

not the franchise voters, the one

12:22

who are in franchise, how

12:24

many votes that they got. And you can put that all

12:26

together. So this begs the question, like,

12:28

well, how do you get on this

12:31

list? You

12:33

get on this list by being nominated by

12:35

a core developer. So everyone on the list

12:37

was nominated by a core developer. If you

12:39

are a core developer, you can nominate yourself.

12:43

So that could be the person you see here

12:46

because everyone I see, I think is a core

12:48

developer. But

12:50

anyway, the results, the results are

12:52

in and we have those five folks. Welcome

12:55

and congrats. Awesome. Nice.

12:58

Well, it's a good set of names too. Yeah.

13:04

All right. Indeed. Well, there

13:09

probably is some protocol around

13:11

the election results, right? No, you could

13:13

model it with classes or you could functionally

13:15

model it like in a immutable way, but

13:18

I don't know about a protocol. But

13:22

we're just great at transitions on this podcast.

13:26

The next I want to talk about Python protocols.

13:29

So there's an article from

13:31

Carlos Vissina, I think, called

13:36

Python protocols, defining a protocol and when

13:38

to use it. And actually this is something

13:40

that I have, I've been meaning to play

13:43

with for actually some years and I haven't

13:45

really done much with it yet. So I

13:47

really appreciate this article. He's

13:49

talking about the protocols

13:52

are a feature of Python that were added

13:54

in Python 3.8. So really

13:57

anything maintainable right now can use a. you

14:01

can use protocols. But they're, and

14:03

you kind of, they're, mentally, I

14:06

think of them kind of like, like

14:08

class inheritance or mix-ins

14:11

or abstract based classes. And

14:13

that's one of the things he talks about this, in

14:15

this article is, is they are in that

14:18

same similar space, but

14:20

you use them a little different. And you might use

14:22

them together with other forms too, like

14:25

with mix-ins and abstract based classes.

14:28

So the article just goes through on how

14:30

to define a protocol and really, and

14:33

he's also discussed, also

14:35

a decent tutorial on abstract based classes and

14:37

mix-ins as well, which is nice to kind

14:39

of describe them all together. But

14:43

the protocol thing is just sort of, let me

14:45

see if I can find an example. So

14:49

you inherit, you have a class that's inherited

14:51

from protocol and you give

14:53

it, you kind of give it

14:55

function definitions, but don't fill in the

14:57

body. So that's kind of what a protocol

14:59

is. And then other

15:02

classes that use the protocol derive

15:06

from that, you know, from

15:08

that protocol from, like in his example, there's

15:10

a class called explainable,

15:13

that something that has an explain function. And

15:16

so you would derive

15:18

from explainable and then your new

15:20

class would have, would be a instances of protocol, but

15:25

all it really says is that you can,

15:27

other places that use it for types and

15:29

stuff can declare that they need some, need

15:31

a protocol passed in or a explainable class

15:34

and then you can use anything that derives from

15:36

that. So pretty cool. Yeah,

15:39

Brian, let me jump in to say one extra point here.

15:42

Like what's awesome about this stuff

15:44

is we've had duck

15:46

typing, like there's an access

15:48

fairness function that it has to call

15:50

explain on the object passed in. And

15:53

duck typing said, well, if it takes that, if you

15:55

can pass it in there and it will run when

15:58

you call explain on it, it must fit, right? But

16:00

the typing tools don't check. So like PyCharm for

16:03

example, would just go well, so whatever. So good

16:05

luck with that. But once you

16:07

do this protocol stuff, if you say the

16:09

function takes an explainable and you have explainable

16:11

as a protocol, you

16:13

can pass stuff in and it doesn't

16:15

even have to derive from or be

16:17

related to that protocol in a

16:20

base class. Like anything that is passed in there,

16:23

the type system will look at it and verify it

16:25

hasn't explained, even if it's in a third party package

16:27

and you don't control it. So it's

16:29

like a way to project typing structure

16:31

onto a dynamic thing that is not

16:33

necessarily your code. It's wild. Oh,

16:35

cool. I kind of had that a little bit wrong

16:37

then. Awesome. You can

16:40

derive from it. It gives you more information potentially,

16:42

but. It doesn't have to be. You don't even

16:44

have to, which that's the totally wild aspect. That's

16:46

what I think is really different for this. Okay,

16:48

yeah. Oh,

16:51

awesome. That's pretty cool. No,

16:54

yeah, so clearly I haven't

16:56

thoroughly read this article, but I do

16:58

want to get into really getting my

17:00

head around abstract base classes, mix-ins and

17:03

protocols and stuff. And partly. I would say

17:05

that though, because like your experiences in C++, mine

17:08

also is in C++ and C sharp, and

17:10

all of those languages have these interface ideas,

17:13

but they're

17:15

put into the type system through inheritance. And so you can

17:17

inherit from it and it does what you expect and it

17:19

seems the right thing, but what's weird is

17:21

you don't even have to. That's what's weird about it. Okay.

17:24

Cool. Oh, awesome.

17:28

Now I definitely want to play with it more. Yeah,

17:30

because I've kind of missed that aspect of C++

17:32

in Python. Yeah. So

17:36

nice. Anyway, also I'm

17:38

assuming it's a AI

17:40

generated image, but really cool image at the

17:42

top of the article. I

17:45

don't know much about my opinion, but I'll always chat to you

17:47

how I feel about it. It's

17:49

hard to describe how I feel. So I'll, you

17:52

know, yeah. I'm

17:54

actually sort of, I don't know, this is a

17:56

tangent, but I've switched to... I

18:00

was playing with like Bing as my primary

18:03

search engine at work. I just, I don't know,

18:05

a new computer, it just was there and I'm

18:07

just going with it for a while.

18:10

But everything I search is like, gives me an

18:12

AI generated answer first and I'm like, I don't

18:14

know if I like that very much. Yeah,

18:17

I know. I know. Anyway,

18:20

well, that's it for our main stuff.

18:22

Do you have any extras? I

18:24

can have almost made an extra, extra, extra this time. So

18:26

yeah, sure, I do. First

18:29

of all, I've been wanting to say this several times

18:31

and I'm usually like looking at my screen and see

18:33

what I want to share and stuff and I didn't

18:35

have this anywhere. So I just pulled up Mastodon to

18:37

remind me. There are tons of

18:39

people interacting with us over on Mastodon and I've

18:41

had some great conversations and I want to, I'm

18:43

sure you do too, Brian, I want to follow

18:45

people back. But there's, there's

18:48

kind of a, at

18:50

least for, I'll say these are

18:52

Michael's Mastodon's conventions. You

18:55

could take them for what you want. I just made them up. But this

18:57

is how I think about it. So people will follow

18:59

me and I'm like, huh, did that person follow me? Because they

19:01

listened to the show and listened to Brian say, you should come

19:03

join us and have a conversation. Hey, I'd like to follow that

19:05

person. But a lot of times they

19:08

have no picture, no description, no web

19:10

pages, no posts. You're like, uh, yeah,

19:12

maybe not next, you know? And

19:14

so I'm just going to say if you have a picture

19:17

and a description, description seems somewhat relevant.

19:19

I will certainly follow you back. If

19:22

you have posts, that's plus one. If you

19:24

have a verified webpage, which is easy, another plus

19:26

one. A

19:29

lot of people have private accounts who follow me. I'm

19:31

like, why are you in social media if

19:33

you want a private account? I don't understand

19:35

what this is because your profile is public.

19:37

Just your posts are private, but the

19:40

platform has a way to have private posts. I

19:42

don't understand. So anyway, uh, probably not

19:44

going to get a lot of engagement if you have

19:46

a private account, just

19:48

post private messages for things you don't want to

19:50

see. So, and while I'm

19:52

on the topic of Mastodon, I had a

19:54

really nice and productive conversation with the PSF

19:57

around my mask rant on PyCon. So

19:59

that was nice. over there. Some people weren't

20:01

nice as they sent me like not necessarily nice

20:03

responses but the PSF did and that was cool.

20:06

That's nice. Yeah. Alright. Next one.

20:10

Before you move on I just want to add

20:12

my two cents on the picture. I

20:15

also prefer to be able to see who it is

20:18

but also primarily if the picture is something

20:20

that they're using on other stuff. So like

20:22

if a lot of people have their

20:25

profile picture on their like the

20:27

profile picture on their blog and on

20:29

their and they're primarily

20:31

a GitHub user and they have the

20:34

same profile there even if it's like

20:36

a stylized something but if it's the

20:38

if it's distinctive and the same everywhere

20:40

like Cliff for instance has a has

20:43

a different thing

20:45

for them. I'm okay with that but

20:47

most people I think go with their picture I

20:49

think it's the right answer. Yeah

20:51

when I say picture I don't mean necessarily has

20:54

to be your picture just the fact that it's

20:56

not the default icon. You've taken enough effort to

20:58

put in something even if it's just a

21:00

picture of a triangle I don't care you know. Alright

21:04

Paul is asking in the audience

21:06

what is your secret? Okay

21:11

well we'll do this. Earlier

21:14

on we were talking about how Michael's got

21:17

a faster internet now so we should

21:19

make it really fast speed and

21:22

then somebody commented, Wagrant commented, I

21:24

played it at one and a

21:27

half times speed then I got

21:29

up to a live event and

21:31

all of a sudden Brian should sounded

21:33

like he got drunk in one second and

21:37

so I said Brian's

21:39

secret is out. Nice. I

21:41

have another drink in my Irish

21:44

coffee. It's coffee, trust me.

21:47

Alright more extras so

21:50

Dropbox spooks users with turning

21:52

on new AI features that

21:56

can almost automatically send your private documents

21:58

to open a Now you

22:01

have to interact with part of the

22:03

site for it to happen, but it

22:05

doesn't say hey necessarily because you touch

22:07

this. We're now sending your social security

22:09

number away. But

22:11

anyway, that's kind of unnerving.

22:14

Yeah. So you

22:16

can check that out on defaulted

22:18

on if you're not subject to

22:20

the GDPR, but defaulted off if

22:22

you are. So, you know, plus

22:24

one for GDPR there, I suppose.

22:27

So mine was turned on. Okay, so

22:29

you have to go check to make sure that they're not

22:31

sharing all of your. Yes, exactly. And it's

22:34

on by default for you, Brian. So you might want

22:36

to check. The

22:39

whole conversation is on ours. The

22:41

comment section of our second is

22:43

like the top notch place

22:45

for comments, I think. So really good. Okay.

22:49

Yeah, it talks about how to go find it. So

22:51

anyway, this like maybe think, you know what, I should really

22:53

be a little more. I've like

22:56

three terabytes of data and Dropbox. So I'm like, maybe

22:58

I should be a little more specific and

23:00

intentional about where I put my stuff. So I went

23:02

on this this right on Mastodon, by the way, a

23:04

bunch of people sent me all sorts of options. They're

23:06

like, okay, if not Dropbox, then what? And

23:09

I decided whatever I'm doing is probably good

23:11

to have it end

23:13

to end encrypted because then I don't care what they try

23:15

to do with it. Right. Because they can't decrypt it. That

23:18

that solves a whole lot of problems. I don't

23:20

you care about the security, but it doesn't matter

23:23

as much as if you're just exposing files or

23:25

leaking stuff or whatever. Right. So I decided to

23:28

go. I already have

23:30

a paid proton account. So

23:32

all my private stuff, all my private documents, like

23:35

my scans of things I want to save that

23:37

might be sensitive. They're going to

23:39

proton drive where I have

23:41

500 gigs and it's already paid for

23:44

and encrypted. There's a sync thing you can solve. That's

23:46

pretty excellent. I

23:48

looked around and some people suggested next

23:50

cloud, which is really interesting. It's maybe

23:53

more than I want. It's almost like

23:55

a document calendar, everything

23:57

self hosted. Maybe do that.

24:00

Next. Yeah, ownCloud

24:02

got like super owned just

24:05

last week and is a similar self-hosted thing, which

24:07

makes me a little nervous to self-host stuff. I

24:09

know there are people who host it for you,

24:11

but it's not NextCloud, it's a little bit indirect.

24:13

So maybe. Violin,

24:16

I don't know if you've heard of this, but

24:19

they have encrypted cloud storage

24:22

and the end again, pretty

24:24

nice. I think this is,

24:26

is it British? I don't

24:28

remember exactly. UG, not

24:30

sure, but somewhere

24:33

in Europe, this company, it looks

24:35

pretty good. I have not tried it,

24:37

but and encrypted. There's IceDrive, the next

24:39

generation cloud storage. Also, I think this

24:41

might be the British one. Yeah,

24:44

this is in Wales. I mean,

24:46

British, I mean, UK, sorry folks. So

24:48

that's pretty interesting. And I think,

24:51

I think I'm gonna go with sync.com.

24:54

Super simple. All they do is sync and

24:56

then encrypted for six

24:58

terabytes. It's like 140 bucks a year or something

25:00

like that, which is a lot, you

25:03

know, versus 240 for less than that in Dropbox. Anyway,

25:06

if people are in this zone of like, I'm looking

25:08

for all this stuff, oh my gosh, like what am

25:10

I gonna do? Regardless of whether

25:12

you care about the Dropbox fiasco.

25:16

Here's a bunch of options people can pick. There

25:18

was one comment in this whole discussion that was pretty

25:20

interesting. I think it was in the Ars Technica

25:23

thing. And it said, look, if you

25:26

give your data unencrypted to somebody, another

25:29

company, even if you trust them, you don't really

25:31

necessarily control that anymore, especially if they decide

25:33

to pass it along. So

25:37

somebody pointed out CryptoMeter. Have you heard of

25:39

this, Brian? No. CryptoMeter

25:41

is cool. I have used something like

25:44

it, but it's older and no longer supported, which makes

25:46

me sad. So what you do

25:48

is you run this app. It does

25:50

like super strong encryption. You control the key,

25:52

right? It's just like a thing you make

25:54

up and don't give away. And

25:57

then it will create a drive, a mountable drive.

26:00

on your Mac or on Windows like

26:03

a D driver, E driver, whatever, and that thing

26:05

is encrypted. So when you mount it with this

26:07

software, it looks like a drive, but then when

26:09

you unmount it, it becomes just an encrypted pile

26:11

of files. So you put that in

26:13

Dropbox, you put that in sync or whatever, and

26:16

then no matter what happens, they just

26:18

get an encrypted blob of stuff. So things

26:20

I super care about. I have encrypted in

26:23

something, either a cryptomator or something like it, on

26:26

top of all the safety around the cloud drive

26:28

and trust and whatever you might have there, like

26:32

worst case scenario, they get a huge, hard,

26:34

hard to decrypt the blob of stuff that they don't know

26:36

the value of. And

26:39

I don't know if it has Linux. Someone's asking does it have Linux? I

26:43

think it might. Let's

26:45

see, Mac. No,

26:49

let's see if I go to download what it says. Yeah,

26:52

it's worth knowing for people. Download.

26:55

Use your DMG. Yeah, Windows,

26:57

Mac, Linux, Android, and iOS even.

27:01

Yeah, so that's that. I

27:03

think that it's a loss.

27:05

I mean, cool, but cryptomator would have

27:08

been great as a rotten tomatoes sort

27:10

of thing to rate

27:12

different cryptocurrencies. I

27:14

know. The

27:17

word is taken. I'm pretty sure

27:19

this has been around before crypto

27:21

became a thing. I'm

27:24

not sure how old this is, but there's

27:27

17 pages of releases on

27:29

GitHub from 2017. So

27:31

yeah, they were ahead of their time in that, but

27:34

yeah, super cool. Brian, like you can just say, I

27:36

don't really care that much about the security of where

27:38

these files go. So you're not getting

27:40

them. Interesting.

27:44

So I suggest a sweet combination of

27:46

these things. I'm going through

27:48

like a super digital decluttering as part of

27:50

this, and it's glorious. I'm having like

27:52

a tech love up here with notion.

27:54

It's so good. But

27:57

yeah, anyway, I'll leave it

27:59

there. back and tell you more about

28:01

this. Last thing for me, I'm

28:04

doing the keynote at PyCon, yes,

28:06

at PyCon Philippines 2024 in

28:08

February. How awesome is that? I'm slightly

28:11

jealous, man. Some of our eyes scroll

28:13

down and over. Whoo. Yeah.

28:17

Three of us and I get to be one of them. So that'd be

28:19

awesome. Thank you for inviting me. And if you're going to be there, I

28:21

will see you there. Nice. Yeah,

28:23

in February. Cool. Oops. Oops.

28:27

I'll just tell you. For your extras. Well,

28:30

I just lead one. So sorry about

28:32

that. But Shift

28:34

Command T. Shift, whatever. I'll just

28:40

tell you guys about it. So

28:45

this is the time

28:47

of year that some people like to donate some money

28:49

to different people, different groups. I

28:52

had the link up for the

28:54

Python Software Foundation. So Python

28:57

Software Foundation is not hard to find.

28:59

So I would encourage people

29:01

to consider giving some money to the

29:04

PSF. Also, Django Software Foundation is

29:06

doing a drive. So given

29:09

some money. If you use Django, of course. If

29:12

you enjoy Python bytes, of course, you

29:14

can check out Patreon. Patreon,

29:18

we do accept Python

29:21

money for Python bytes to help keep the show going,

29:23

which is great. Also, I wanted

29:26

to highlight as well, just

29:29

the idea to just

29:31

go on GitHub. So the different things

29:33

you use on GitHub, like adders, for

29:35

instance, you can go down and

29:37

you can sponsor this project. You

29:41

can throw some money that

29:43

way. Pytest has a sponsor

29:45

link. Palettes and Flask

29:47

has a way to sponsor either

29:50

all of palettes or particular projects

29:52

within the palettes program. And

29:54

really, a lot of projects

29:56

that you use every day have a... a

30:00

sponsor of this project on GitHub. So I

30:02

think it'd be great for people if you

30:04

have extra and you want to help out,

30:06

I think it's a good idea. Sometimes

30:09

I help out different projects and I kind of

30:11

shift it up every year and

30:14

local things and I think

30:16

the things that I use. Somebody

30:19

asked me once recently about

30:22

some projects don't really need the money. And

30:24

I guess like, for

30:27

instance, I really love having people support

30:29

Python bytes through Patreon. It's fun to

30:31

have our community help support us. If

30:34

you in particular don't donate,

30:37

we're not going to disappear. Michael and I are

30:39

going to keep doing it anyway. It is totally

30:41

up to you and definitely don't do it if

30:43

it's a hardship. But I think it's a

30:46

fun thing to do this time of year is to spread

30:48

the love around. That's all I wanted to say. So

30:54

indeed, I second that as well. That's

30:58

kind of serious, though. Do you have something

31:00

for us? Let's lighten it up. No, this

31:02

is not funny. This is too close to

31:04

home. You tell me how you

31:06

feel about this. So here's the joke. Here's the joke. So

31:08

there's two red buttons, think Ren and Stimpy or

31:11

something like that in a huge scary red button,

31:13

you compress either of them. One

31:15

of them says, pay $12. The

31:18

other one says admit to

31:20

yourself, your dream is dead.

31:23

Somebody's sweating trying to decide which button

31:25

to press. And it's the domain renewal. Oh,

31:28

yeah, totally. This

31:31

is always too close for home to home for

31:34

me because I just transferred 25 domains

31:36

from all the different places in the hovers I

31:38

talked about like a while ago. And I talked

31:40

about all the name servers and all that. And

31:43

there was a few are like, God, is

31:46

the dream dead? Or do I just move

31:48

this? So how many are you using still

31:50

out of this? Well, lots of them are

31:52

to like, protect people from doing crappy

31:55

stuff. For example, I've talked by thon.com.

31:58

I don't technically use it. It

32:00

redirects to talkbython.fm. But

32:03

if I don't have it, someone will get

32:05

it. And then all sorts of badness. Like

32:07

there's a bunch of these guard. I would

32:09

say half of them fall into that realm.

32:12

Okay. And then maybe another third I'm directly

32:14

using and then there's the, whatever the balance,

32:16

the one sixth that's left is the dream

32:18

could be dead, but it could

32:20

be not there yet, not realized yet.

32:22

We'll see. I had about eight that

32:24

I was not really using last year.

32:27

And I let, I,

32:29

I, I admitted that about

32:31

half of those are not going to go anywhere and

32:34

let them expire. I don't go. Although I'm

32:36

not if you go to domain companies, don't

32:38

make it easy. You're like, okay,

32:40

I'm just going to let it expire. But you get

32:42

like emails. No, it's going to go.

32:44

Oh, it's gone, but we've just, we're going to save

32:46

it for you for a couple more months and

32:49

you get a whole bunch of guilty emails, but

32:52

yeah. Anyway. Yeah. Yeah,

32:54

exactly. I have one real quick

32:56

sad story to round this out. Brian, a friend of

32:58

mine and I decided we're going to write some iPhone

33:00

apps right when the iPhone came out like 2007 or

33:03

whatever it was. And

33:06

he had the clever idea of like, let's get a

33:09

domain. I would probably do it together. I don't know.

33:11

Got the domain iPhone.ly iPhonely.

33:16

And we worked on stuff for like a year.

33:20

Cause we didn't know we're going to build. We'll just like come up with this.

33:22

We'll put stuff there. Never really came up with

33:24

stuff. It looked like there was nothing on the horizon. Like, you know, after

33:26

three years, the L Y it was like the FM. I

33:28

was like kind of expensive. Like, ah, just let it go. A

33:32

week later, somebody says, Hey, I'll give you $5,000 for that domain. So

33:36

I shoot my friend like, Hey, don't let it expire yet. Let's

33:39

do this instead. He's like, it expired last

33:41

week. No. Oh no.

33:44

Oh well. So it goes. So somebody could

33:47

have paid you $5,000, but they instead got it for like 20.

33:50

We got it. Yeah. For like 20 bucks or something. I'm

33:54

sorry to laugh at your pain. No,

33:56

it's just like I'm telling you. This

34:00

is not a joke. Adventure yourself your dream is

34:02

dead or pay $12 for the rest of your

34:04

life every year. Yeah. For your. So

34:08

it's good. It's a good joke and people

34:10

can hopefully laugh at it. Yeah. Everybody, most

34:13

people that listen to this podcast probably are feeling

34:15

this. So. Yeah.

34:17

All right. All right. Well, I'm feeling good about our

34:19

year's worth of show every day. Yeah.

34:22

365. Pretty cool. Yeah.

34:24

I know. All right. Talk

34:26

to you later. Yeah. See you. Thanks,

34:28

everyone.