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This is a CBC podcast.

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I tell you this, when you're interviewing Mick Jagger

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in London, England, you are acutely

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aware that you are only about a 45-minute

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drive from where it all began, from

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where Mick and Keith Richards were kids

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on a train platform trading blues

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records, and that moment would create

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the Rolling Stones. So in

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our conversation, we talk about some of those early

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days, but also about Mick's desire that

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the band never be retro, never

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be stuck in the past, and his commitment

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to making sure they're always the biggest

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band

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in the world. A rare Canadian

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exclusive interview with Mick Jagger,

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coming up. I'm Tom Power. You are listening

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to Q.

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I saw her today

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at the reception

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A glass of wine in her

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hand I

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knew she was gonna meet her

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connection At

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her feet was a

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footloose man You

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can't always get what you

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want You can't always get

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what you want From 1969.

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That's

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the Rolling Stones, and you

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can't always get what you want. Today

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on Q, you are going to hear my conversation with

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the leader of the Rolling Stones,

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Mick Jagger. You're my friend

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You get what you need

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I'll be honest with you, I don't really know what to say right now.

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I mean, this is a guy whose career spans over 60

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years. He's won pretty much every

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award possible. He's one of the most recognizable

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voices in music history, one of the most recognizable

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people in the world. He's technically Sir

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Mick Jagger,

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but more important than any of those accolades.

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I mean, a lot of people have had the best nights

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of their lives listening to

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the Rolling Stones. And you

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would have thought, you would have been forgiven for thinking

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that after all these years, maybe

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there wouldn't be a new Rolling Stones record ever again.

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I mean, after all, Mick Jagger's 81,

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Keith Richards's 79, you might think they'd stay

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on the road, but like, more music?

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So as you might have heard, for the first time in 18

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years, the Rolling Stones have a brand

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new album. It's called Hackney Diamonds.

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It is no retro album.

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It is urgent. It is contemporary.

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It is new. And I was a little extra on

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edge because this is the first new

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Rolling Stones album since the death

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of their drummer, Charlie Watts. And

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when we talked about that, I think you really hear Mick not

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as this like global rock star, but as

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a friend, as a bandmate. Anyway,

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I'll say more about that later, but here

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it is, our Canadian exclusive

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interview from London, England with

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Mick Jagger.

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Mick Jagger, Tom, how are you? Good.

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Thanks for being here, man. This was cool.

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Pleasure to be here. I love the new record. Thank

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you. How are you feeling?

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How are you feeling putting this thing out? Well, good.

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I mean, it's

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quite a long time since we finished it now because we

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finished mixing in

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beginning of March. So

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I was very up there. I

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was really up and then I've had to sort of put it

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on the back burner because it takes so long to

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make the vinyl. Yeah. And but

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yeah, I'm very excited about it. So back into

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being listened to again and stuff.

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And yeah, made pretty quickly. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Just like,

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like about three, four weeks, most

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of it. And then I was like, I'm mixed it

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remotely with Andy and

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the mixer. That

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was fun. We were in three locations. I was in the Caribbean

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and he was in LA. So he was in

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North Carolina. So

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yeah, that's how you

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do it, but I've done that before. But

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if you have fast internet, you can do that. So

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you're all live. You're a mixing live. She's

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very different than how we used to be making records.

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I heard someone talk about Django Reinhardt's

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record one time. And back then, making

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a record was like going to the moon or something like that. And

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now you can do it over the internet for God's sake. Yeah, but

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I mean, in a way, we

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made the record just like Django Reinhardt made

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his record. In a way where this record

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was made all in the room with the musicians in the room.

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So we're all in the room, Ronnie, me,

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Keith and Steve, Matt

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Clifford, just blasting it out. And

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afterwards you go through

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the tapes and say, oh, this is a good tape. This is a good

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leaf out. And then then you work on

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the overdubs. And that's pretty much, you

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know, a make a walkway. I

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was going to say, I mean, there's not a lot of records made like

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that anymore. I think most

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indie bands make records like that. That's

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how you make. But I mean, what's what's

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easier is, is after

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you've chosen the tapes and doing the overdubs

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and everything, and the editing

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stuff is just so much easier now than

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it used to be. Yeah, there's no tape.

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There's no tape where it hasn't been taped for ages, but

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not for 25 years. Yeah. I haven't used

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tape. We use tape actually on this album.

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We use tape for Rolling Stone Blues. Oh,

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what? For fun. Yeah,

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for fun. Kind of a gold vibe, you know. Yeah.

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It's just key for me. So you record it

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on 24 track tape. I sort of like

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harken back to the old band.

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Yeah, absolutely. At this

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stage, I mean, this far into it, any

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nerves putting out a record?

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Well, you always,

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I mean,

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I think you say you know that it's

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that you like it, you know, that's the first

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stage and you like it. And

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you play it to people, you play it to friends, and you play

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it to colleagues and so

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on. And you get a vibe of that

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they seem to be liking it. But you never

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know when you come out with

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something, you never know the mood can be down

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on you maybe for some reason. But I mean,

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I think it's been pretty positive reaction so far.

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I only heard people have only heard angry,

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but seems to be pretty positive so far.

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Angry is a great song. Thank you. How

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did that one come together now? I

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was in the Caribbean. I was just

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on my own and I just started

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playing it. And I just started playing it. I

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had in my head before

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I was playing on the

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guitar and

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then and then I was

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playing

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it to

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dumb machine, you know? And

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then so it's just a real simple beat. It's

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just almost the same thing as what we've

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got. Steve plays it obviously more interesting

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than the machine. But

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it's the same ideas. And

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then, you know, brought to Keith and

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I when Jamaica with Steve

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and Matt and we ran through

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and Keith said, Oh, I love it. And he put his own thing

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on it. You know, that was one really

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easy to come together, you know, and those ones sometimes

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feel really good that, you know, when they come together

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that quickly and everyone falls in on

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their part. Yeah. And

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then I have to work on

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the vocals and

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how to make it

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more exciting as it goes

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on you

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know to change the vocal lines

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and stuff.

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But yeah, it's a good one. I

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love seeing you. I love that it's a Jagger

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Richards. I love seeing you

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two on stage together because I've been doing research

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on for this interview for I'll say a

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month. Yeah, like

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reading books and reading articles and reading interviews

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all the way back to like 62 up till now. And

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it's funny to see the Keith thing

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come up over and over again. You get asked it

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in like 65. You get asked it in like 71. You

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get asked it in like 83. You give a different

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answer every single time. And seeing

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you and him on stage yesterday at the press conference, just

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your arms around each other was so so beautiful. You

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know what I mean? Yeah. Like

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where are you now writing songs together and all that? I mean, so

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different now. Because we used to be

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living in the same apartment. Yeah. We

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started off writing songs together.

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And so we'd be

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I wouldn't even play guitar half the time. I'd

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just be writing the top lines for Keith.

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Cool sequence. And, you know, and

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he would just melodies

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and I would come

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up with all the words.

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But you know, this that's a long time ago and things

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evolve and change. And, you know,

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you know, I like to I like to write songs on

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my own. You know, I don't

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live in the same continent as Keith. He doesn't do zooms. I

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can't run zoom with him. You know. So

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but still when we got together in Jamaica

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and started jamming these things around

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that was like, you know, it's the same

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as we always have been.

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when

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I was gonna play it and

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we suggested to play it on this punk tune.

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And I didn't know how it was gonna work out, but he

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really rocked it and he loved doing it. He

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said, it's great playing with a band. He

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says, really enjoy what playing with a band. So-

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Was he in the room with you? Yeah, it was all in the room. We're all in the room

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playing together. So there's you and Keith. Yeah,

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I'm playing Tark, Keith's playing guitar. And Paul McCartney's

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playing bass. Paul's playing bass, Ronnie's playing guitar.

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You understand that that feels meaningful to

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me. You know what I mean? I

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understand it's a session that musicians playing together. You

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understand that historically, that

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feels meaningful that you've got to play together,

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right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, it does.

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I mean, it's fun, but it seemed so natural,

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you know? Didn't seem, and Paul was

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so natural and relaxed and

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he enjoyed it and we knocked it out

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really quick. Did you guys have a good relationship

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going through this whole thing? Who?

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You and Paul. Going through what thing?

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Your lives. Your whole life. Oh, Jesus,

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Mick, you know what I mean, right? Like, I think if you look at like, because

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again, I'm doing crazy amounts of research here. And again, if you want

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to talk about how much Keith comes up, the Beatles come

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up a lot, right? And I find that a lot

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of what got written about in say like 70s and 80s, I

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guess up until the early 80s, was you and John. Yeah,

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well, John was a great close friend of mine. And

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he was very acerbic and funny and

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witty and intelligent and everything. But

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I also knew Paul who's a different kind of personality.

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I've always been friends with him

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and we don't see

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each other that much, but we do sort of text

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each other and, you know, and

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so we sort of keep in touch. So, I mean,

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I've always got on well with him and

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Ronnie and Paul also see

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each other quite a lot. So

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we have this sort of communication. Nice

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to hear Stevie Wonder on the record.

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Yeah,

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on his own Street Sound of Heaven. And

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he opened up for you guys. Yes,

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we talked about that when he came to the studio. He

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said, I haven't really played with you guys since... We

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played on tour and

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we played a

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medley of satisfaction and up-point.

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I can hear it.

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It's

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the same beat. Yeah, I can hear it. It's the

14:33

same beat. It's the same beat. It's that

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beat. So yeah,

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we talked about that and he was very funny. What do you remember

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about those tours for Himmow? What an up for you. Well,

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I like, I mean, it was a great tour. We

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had, I think we had Steve. You have Ein Teena Turner. We

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have BB King. That was an amazing light

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up on a tour, an

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arena tour. Yeah. And

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yeah, it was amazing.

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She would never

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say where she came

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from.

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Yesterday don't

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matter if it's

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gone. I'm

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Tom Power. You're listening to Q. I'm talking

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to Mick Jagger about the first new

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Rolling Stones album in 18 years. It's

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called Hackney Diamond. This

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is an important record and a meaningful record

15:26

to Mick, not just because it's the first album of

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original music in 18 years, not just because

15:30

people were wondering whether they'd ever make an album again,

15:33

but because this is the first album that the Rolling

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Stones made without their long time drummer,

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Charlie Watts. Charlie Watts died in 2021. And

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when I sat down with Mick Jagger, it's

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very clear that this is not

15:48

somebody who's a rock icon mourning

15:51

another rock icon. This

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is a guy from England

15:56

who's had a remarkable life mourning

15:58

the loss of his buddy. of

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his long time friend and his

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collaborator. And that's where things

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pick up. Here's more of my conversation with Mick Jeter.

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I've

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sort

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of been trying to figure out how to talk to you about this

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part. And only

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because it's controversial, but only because it's a bit emotional

16:25

to be honest with Charlie on

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the record. I was so happy when I looked at the track listing.

16:29

And I saw that Charlie plays

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on this record. So these are older Charlie?

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It's not that long ago. Over

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the last five years, we've done quite a lot of

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recording with Dom Woz, but it

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had been a bit sporadic and we hadn't

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really finished any unfinished

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material and

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songs that hadn't been done. So

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when we were putting

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this together, we said, well, which

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ones do we like? Which ones do

16:59

we think that will fit on this record that Charlie's

17:02

on and we finished those? And so we put

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these two tracks we picked

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with Charlie on. I mean, I love both

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the tracks. I didn't just pick them because Charlie's on them. You

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know what I mean? I would have... But

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they're both contenders

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for this record. What

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was he like?

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Charlie? Yeah.

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Wow. That's really a hard question. I

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mean, I knew him since I was 19. And

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I hung out a lot with Charlie. He was like one

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of my sort of close friends. And Charlie

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and I had a lot of interest outside of just

17:38

playing a band. We

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love sport, football and cricket. Charlie

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and I used to go to cricket together a lot. We

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would talk about football. He's a big Tottenham fan,

17:51

an Arsenal fan. It's like a big competition.

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Charlie's very knowledgeable about that. I used to play

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football when he was a kid. Pretty good.

17:59

and um and uh

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and charlie and i liked all kinds of different music

18:05

you know so charlie

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yeah everyone says how charlie charlie

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always loved jazz but he did love jazz you know he

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really loved jazz and he introduced me all kinds of i

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used to love jazz too when i was a teenager i

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was a real jazz fan and and

18:19

so i knew quite a lot about jazz not

18:22

like him but you know that jazz

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was a hit thing to like yeah kind of pre-bop

18:27

right but it was a little more accessible

18:29

well yeah and but i liked you

18:31

know i liked post-war jazz you

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know i still like jerry mulligan

18:35

sound and you know i used to listen

18:38

to all that kind of stuff sunny rollins yeah

18:40

cool played on one of our records yeah he sure

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did you know so i like that kind of music

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um you know a lot of it i didn't

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like you know but you know i

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liked the campbell adley i loved charlie

18:52

and i used to go and see cannonball adley um

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i remember charlie i once going to

18:57

see him at the apollo and we would we

18:59

would really go and you know charlie i

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would go and we'd go and see him in a club

19:04

or a theater you know and

19:06

um so charlie and i had a lot of those

19:08

kind of interests and we also liked

19:11

um

19:12

charlie loved you know beautiful objects

19:14

you know he liked antiques he likes furniture

19:16

so we talked a lot about things like that you know so

19:20

we had a lot of interests in common apart

19:22

from just being a band you know but

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i mean charlie like

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all kinds of music he he liked

19:29

african music like me like reggae

19:31

music before everyone had even

19:33

heard it yeah before before but molly

19:36

charlie and i were listening to reggae music before

19:38

it was like mainstream yeah um

19:41

so yeah so we we

19:43

we would be have a lot in common with

19:46

that stuff

19:48

the reason i'm interested in it i suppose

19:50

is because to the world charlie

19:53

charlie of the rolling stones died and

19:55

how does the rolling stones go on and all that

19:59

but i thought my jesus It's like, hey,

20:01

you lost your buddy. Yeah. And you lost

20:03

a buddy who's around your age. Yeah, exactly. How

20:05

was that for you? Well, it's very difficult

20:08

to lose friends. You know, um, as you get older,

20:10

you lose a lot of friends and not only

20:12

friends, you, it's really

20:14

weird because you not, okay.

20:17

They're not friends of yours necessarily,

20:19

but they're people that have been in your life, whether

20:21

they're musicians or, you know, that

20:23

you've admired or actors or wherever,

20:26

you know, whatever they are. But lots of

20:28

people of your age group or

20:31

generation, you might say, have all gone.

20:33

And then,

20:34

but, um, um,

20:36

which is why I think I've got a lot of friends

20:38

that aren't in my age group. You

20:41

stick around a bit longer. Yeah. Yeah. There are many younger

20:44

people. Yeah. I mean,

20:46

I don't want to just hang out with younger

20:48

people, but I mean, a lot of the people

20:50

in my generation are no longer here to hang out with.

20:52

So what do I do? Yeah. So, uh,

20:54

yes, it's a, it's a big loss when you

20:57

meet someone, you know, for like 60 years, you know,

20:59

and work with, it's a huge loss. I'm not

21:01

Dr. Phil, but is it scary

21:03

to lose someone?

21:06

So close to you. You're someone your age was close

21:08

to you and you've been up. Friends that aren't in my age group. You

21:12

stick around a bit longer. Yeah. There are many younger

21:15

people. Yeah. I mean, I don't

21:17

want to just hang out with younger people, but I

21:20

mean, a lot of the people in my generation

21:22

are no longer here to hang out with. So what do I do?

21:24

Yeah. So, uh, yes, it's

21:26

a, it's a big loss when you meet someone,

21:28

you know, for like 60 years, you know, and work with,

21:31

it's a huge loss. I'm not Dr. Phil,

21:33

but is it scary to

21:36

lose someone? So close to you. You're

21:38

someone your age was close to you and you've been up through the whole thing

21:40

with. Yeah. It, I don't know if it's scary.

21:43

It's very sad. Um, um,

21:46

of course, you know, you think about your own mortality,

21:48

but you think about people think about that from much

21:51

earlier ages than mine. Yeah. Um,

21:53

yeah. You know, people usually think

21:56

about mortality when you lose your first pet.

21:58

Yeah. That's when it hits. Then

22:01

you might lose your grandparents

22:04

or something.

22:06

But

22:09

these things, I mean, it's part of life.

22:14

We had a lot of sadness

22:16

and Brian Jones died. A lot

22:18

of young people died in their 20s. And

22:23

famous musicians that we admired, Jamie

22:25

Hendrix, people I love really

22:28

dearly. You know,

22:31

died early and it's very

22:34

sad. But there, it's part of life. I

22:36

can't make this all about death.

22:38

That's the name of the show. You don't know them? No

22:40

one told you? Dr. Death will now speak. This

22:42

is called Tom Power on death. They

22:45

didn't know that. It's the depressive part. That's

22:48

all I got about it. This

22:51

beard doesn't come from joyful feelings. That's

22:54

the first part of my conversation with Mick

22:56

Jagger of The Rolling Stones. As

22:59

you can tell, they're very grateful

23:01

to make for opening up about the loss of Charlie

23:03

Watts. We're going to play some new Rolling

23:05

Stones music later in the show. But what

23:08

is an interview with Mick Jagger besides

23:10

an excuse to play some of the greatest rock and

23:12

roll songs of all time? Let's

23:14

pay closer attention to the drums in this one

23:16

than we normally would. From 1978, this is Bista Burt.

23:28

I'm going to play

23:31

a song of my

23:33

own that I'm not sure I've

23:36

ever seen before. I'm

23:40

going to play a song of my own

23:42

that I've never seen before. I'm going

23:45

to play a song

23:47

of my own that

23:49

I've never seen before.

23:54

I'm going to play a song of my own that I've never seen before.

24:00

From 1978 that

24:03

is the Rolling Stones

24:05

and Beast of Burden

24:09

coming up on

24:12

cue more of my conversation

24:21

with Mick Jagger. I asked him the question,

24:24

how exactly do you lead a rock

24:26

band for 60 years? And

24:29

he has an answer that he doesn't like.

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25:13

One of the most interesting things about being

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in the Rolling Stones is we

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play different songs. I'm Tom

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Power. You're listening

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to Cue. You're

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in

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the middle

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of my conversation

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with Mick Jagger of

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the Rolling Stones.

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We've

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been talking about the Stones' first new album in 18

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years, what it's like to get in the studio and write

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with Keith Richards again, about losing

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their friend and drummer Charlie Watts,

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and about longevity. Like most bands

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don't last 60 years. the most and

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don't last like six months before

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the rolling stones the last that long

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that's a whole other thing right because the bad as had

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to endure drug addiction being

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thrown in jail the death of bandmates

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and just not to mention how much technology

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and music has changed over the years

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i wanted as make about that like how

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do you lead a band for

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that long and i was happy

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he had an answer is more my conversation

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with mick jagger it's

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a removing seat man to see disband

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go on for sixty years ago and

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i'd like to think about everything he does told me to be honest

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we're not gonna talk about their best way to think about

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losing brian think about lose

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internally but also thinking about the changing of the music

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into drugs are you never talk about the early days and

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then you want to talk about vinyl

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to eight tracks to test cds

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to streaming to take talked a concert

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tours meaning so much to concert tours and

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who know that even mean anymore you're

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not gonna have an answer this question but i never had a son

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never hundred accurate as ask it is so when asked

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the anyway party and lead a band

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through all that by

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staying abreast of what's going

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on what do you mean voice you have

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to kind of baby on the site i'm slaves

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me i'm trying to be

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at the cutting edge of everything but

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you have to on stein how things work

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in have been in the

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current world and that doesn't just

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apply to the music and if i still have

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a who is

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driving

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driving cause different experience

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drawing a call and montes sixty

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year tests and and

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rebel business like oh businesses it

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changes i miss the recipes be

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a business of technology never

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stays the same it never stayed the same ever

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in a said we when we first

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started in the rental business it was at

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the was about only singles

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it was about forty five three albums yeah

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that would albums by i'm

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pop

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identity was those things because they were so hard to

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get. Yeah, so hard to get, which makes them all

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desirable in any way because they're

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so hard to get and I've got one

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and you don't. Yeah. It's like a

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collection of rare goods. Isn't

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that the story of you and Keith? Isn't the story of you and Keith

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that you had those records? I had the rare records

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and he didn't have the rare records. Where

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did you get them?

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How do you get those rare records? He

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probably had some rare records but

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there was like one or two shops in London,

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you could buy them and they were hugely expensive

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because they're imported and the guy, you know

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what I mean, it wasn't like, and you know,

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money, it was expensive and

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you couldn't buy just as many as you want and

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to discover and if you're a musician, you've

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got to listen to this stuff and get

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it and part of your

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playing ability to listen to these, try and copy these

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licks and how is he going to sing that? What's that

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song? You know, Robert

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Johnson things like. They're not like

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available, you know.

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But for all its people complain

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about streaming everything,

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I think it's amazing, you know, that

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I can find things that are really rare or

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interesting that I've never heard. What I find

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interesting about you is that

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I know a lot of people, and I'm

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not going to say names, but I've talked to people who are of your

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generation in music and some who are still making music

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and a lot of them are sort of mired in nostalgia. They'll

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say to me things like, Tom, it was never as good as

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it was back in there or like, I'm not even going to put my

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stuff on Spotify or, you know, they get sort of

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fortified in an

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era but you never seem to do that. Well, no,

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but you don't want to do that. That's ridiculous. You're

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available in everything, you know, you want to buy

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a vinyl Rolling Stones record you can buy one if you want

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to buy it. But not just format, kind of everything. Yeah, of course.

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You never allow them to be available.

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to be

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fortified in like a retro thing. Yeah.

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That's important. I don't want it to be in a retro thing. And this

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album, the Hackney

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Diamonds album, I mean, when

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I talked to Andy, I mean, Andy is like a pop producer.

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That's where he's made his name, you know, and

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I was going, Andy, you know, made all his pop records. But

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he loves rock and roll and knows all history backwards,

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you know, can play all the licks, can play all the Rolling Stones

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licks himself, you know. So it's

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pretty impressive. But I said, Andy, I want

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it to be true to the school, you know, I want

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it to be like a Rolling Stones record.

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But it's got sound like it was recorded

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this year, you know, the

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sonic levels and the way

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it sounds, it's got a sound like now. We

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only sound like 40 years

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ago. And because it doesn't, it sounds like now,

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the clarity of it, you know, and the fidelity

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of it. And if you listen to it, compare

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it to an old Rolling Stones record, it's very, very different.

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Very, very, very different. Yeah. But

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still has that heart of the music. Still has all

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the things of the Rolling Stones. Plus, I think people

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are wrong about you guys. I think people think, call you

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a great, the greatest rock and roll band and, you know, whatever. And

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I know that was just a thing someone said on

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stage. But you've never just been a rock and roll band. No, not

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at all. No. It's not. The

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Rolling Stones, one of the most interesting things about being

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in the Rolling Stones is we

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talked earlier before we started recording about

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the chieftains playing Irish music. Yeah. You

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know,

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the Rolling Stones can play that music if we want,

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we can play it. And

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we do. We play different styles, you

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know, we and we go, of course, there's fashions

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in styles. And Keith and I went through a

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whole period where we were listening to the incredible

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string band and we got very influenced by this kind

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of music here. Mr.

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Sweet Lady Jane, when

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I see you again, you're

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servant of I

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and will humbly remain. Keith

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and I were very into folk

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music.

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music, border ballads, you know,

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I would go to Ireland, I'd sing, you know,

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I would sing, you know, Handsome Molly,

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you know, after dinner you're

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asked to sing something just on your own. I would

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sing Handsome Molly or I would sing, you know, Matty

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Groves or something like that, you

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know. While sailing around the ocean,

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while sailing around the sea,

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I dream of handsome Molly wherever

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she might be. And

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Keith Donohue, we're really into

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it and that's all part of our,

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you know,

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folk music,

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country music, American country

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music, blues. For me, you

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know, I like dance music, you know, I like dancing,

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so I like dance music.

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I

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mean I can only listen to techno for

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like an hour but that's my max here

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in a club. But

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I mean I like all kinds of music and I listen

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to lots of African music, old

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and new, you know. So as

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far as I'm concerned and the Rolling Stones, we can

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play anything. Yeah, and you can hear that on this record

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and I loved it and I'm getting the boot.

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But I tell you man, I love the record. Thank you. I

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hope it's not the last one. No, it's not. We

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were two thirds through the next one. So I'll see

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you again in a couple of years. Yeah, hopefully.

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You're the last, I might

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not. Thank you. Thanks very

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much. Nick, I appreciate it. Scott Lovell. My

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conversation, I'll say it again, my conversation

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with Mick Jagger, the new Rolling

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Stones album Hackney Diamonds will be out

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everywhere on October 20th. Glad

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I got to sneak in there at the end. There's another one

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after that. A little scoop there, pretty good.

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From that brand new album, this is the Rolling Stones

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and their new single, This is Angry.

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Don't get me, where it is. What

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a joy it was to get a chance to talk to Mick Jagger.

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I still can't believe that happened. Before

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we go, I just want to play you one more thing.

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We just flew in yesterday. We just got in from Canada yesterday

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afternoon. Yeah, from Toronto. I'm from

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Newfoundland. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I've never been there. That's great, man. You know,

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it's good, you know. What you're hearing right there

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is, why you typically don't get to hear on the

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radio or on a podcast. That's me

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and Mick Jagger chatting, meeting one another

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right before we started our interview in London.

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I love hearing back that he said, I've never been to Newfoundland. I

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said, oh, it's great. It's

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a moment where we get to kind of connect with the guests and

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talk about anything we might have in common. And

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I ended up asking him a little bit about this recording

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he did in the early 90s with the great Irish band,

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the Chieftains. They did a version of

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a song called The Long Black Veil. Just take a listen. She

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walked

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me in a long

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black veil. She

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breathed my breath.

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So these are the moments you kind of

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warm up and you kind of have a chat about,

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again, what you might have in common. And for us, it

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was a great love of the Chieftains, in particular their

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leader, the late Patti Maloney.

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Take a listen to Mick talking a little bit about that.

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I used to see them in Ireland quite a lot.

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I played with Patti a lot. just

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play around, you know, like after

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dinner I'd play guitar and he would play, he

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was a brilliant, you

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know, pipe player. Well that's what I was playing guitar.

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Yeah, yeah. It's cool man to play music.

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We'd play with him and he would just go off on

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these reveries and then

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sometimes you

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know you'd be outside on a

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nice day and he'd just get the whistle out and

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then play this and

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it was very evocative, you know, being in the country

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in Ireland. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's

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very, very, yeah, old,

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you know. And it was beautiful. I remember they had that sort of

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like minor whistle thing happening and you were doing the Lefty

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Frisell over it. Yeah. That was gorgeous.

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I really loved it. I loved that recording. Yeah, yeah,

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thank you. Yeah, it's beautiful. That's fun. That's what we're

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going to talk about today. Okay, well we'll talk about it.

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But it was a skewer.

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You got 25 minutes

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with them. My musical. I'm going to talk about one time.

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All right, that is it for the show today. Really

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interesting. I gotta tell you, to get

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to talk to Mick Jagger, I got

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to see them at the Indianapolis Speedway

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in Indianapolis, Indiana. My uncle took our

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family to see him and it was, oh man, it

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was humble. I'll never forget that experience as long as

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I live. But still, like getting, I

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thought I was pretty chill. I thought I was going to be pretty,

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I was so prepared. I did so much

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research and then when he sits down in front of you, you're

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just like, well there he is. That's, that's fully

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Mick Jagger. It takes you a couple of minutes to get your head

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straight. Thanks so much to Mick Jagger.

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Thanks so much to everyone

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who made that interview possible. If you

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want to share that with your friends, I would love if you could do that

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Nobody knows

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but me. Nobody

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knows but me.