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Peterson Toscano: In this episode of Quakers Today we ask
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What does birdwatching have to do with Quakers?
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Miche McCall: And what can birds teach us about inequality,
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justice and liberation? Peterson Toscano: Rebecca Heider, a white birder in
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Philadelphia shares with us a Quaker Guide to Birdwatching.
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She's been learning lessons while birding.
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Miche McCall: Tykee James, a Black birder from Philadelphia,
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shares the pleasures and perils of birding while Black. One
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racist incident in a city park led to a creative national
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response. Peterson Toscano: And we have recommendations for you. I'm
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Peterson Toscano Miche McCall: and I'm Miche McCall. This is Season 3,
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Episode 2 of the Quakers, Today podcast, a project of Friends
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Publishing Corporation. This season of Quakers, Today is
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sponsored by the American Friends Service Committee.
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Peterson Toscano: I recently sat down with Rebecca Hyder to talk
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about birds. The April 2024 issue of Friends Journal
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includes Rebecca's article, a Quaker Guide to Birdwatching,
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which offers eight lessons for friends and seekers. She agreed
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to tell us about her experiences with birding and the concept of
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a spark bird. I confess to Rebecca though, that when I
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imagined people birdwatching, I often envision a spry elderly
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white couple out in the woods with binoculars.
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Rebecca Heider: Well, I think I shared that stereotype with you.
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And then as I got more involved, I was kind of blown away by how
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many different kinds of birders there are. There's really no one
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way to describe them in terms of their age or race or rural or
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urban. A lot of serious birding happens within cities.
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Philadelphia turns out to be a great place to do birding, even
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though it's a big urban area.
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A spark bird is the species of bird or the bird encounter that
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sparks someone's interest in birding. Everyone I've talked to
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can pinpoint a bird or a birding experience that really lit their
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passion. A lot of beautiful stories come out of those spark
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bird moments. I'm more interested in nature and birding
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is one way into that. And I do like to learn the names and
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learn about the birds because I'm interested. But if I go with
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a group of birders, I'm often the one who's crawling under
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some bush looking for a bug that's interesting, rather than
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looking at the birds. I was often surrounded by people who
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weren't paying attention the way I was paying attention to the
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birds. Sometimes that was fine. They were going about their day.
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But sometimes it was distressing to the birds, like they're
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walking their dog scaring the birds away. I feel like I'm a
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guest in the birds space. I want to treat their space and their
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quiet with respect. The transformative moment in my relationship with birds came in
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August at an Audubon event. Sitting in a large circle. We
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spoke out of the silence about the bird that first sparked our
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interest in birding. It was a powerful experience of sharing
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our deep emotional connections with nature and with each other,
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and it had the spirit of a Quaker Meeting for Worship. My
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own spark bird was a Northern Flicker. I saw this bird with
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its beautifully patterned plumage in my yard and I had no
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idea what it was. Breathless with excitement, I ran from room
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to room peering out my windows to get a better view. That night
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I eagerly reported the encounter to my family. In the following
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days, I reflected on the inmense and unlooked for joy that bird
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brought me the Northern Flicker had likely been visiting my yard
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regularly. But I hadn't been paying attention before. It was
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an important lesson to realize the joy I felt that day had been
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available to me all the time. All I had to do was look for it.
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I was so moved by that experience of hearing other
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people's spark bird moments. I would love for everyone to have
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a chance to share those kinds of moments and hear from other
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people in their community about any of these moments that really
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inspire passion and us because we don't have enough of those
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conversations. Peterson Toscano: That was Rebecca Heider. She wrote the
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article a Quaker Guide to bBirdwatching: Eight Lessons for
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Friends and Seekers. It appears in the April 2024 issue of
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Friends Journal. You can also read it at Friendsjournal.org
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The excellent sound design, the incredible sound design. The
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wonderful sound design was produced by Miche McCall. Miche,
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really excellent work. Thank you.
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Miche McCall: You are too kind Peterson. I really felt
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connected to Rebecca's version of birding. She got excited
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about the Goldfinch, instead of that rare bird that people were
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looking for, and she gets on the ground and looks for bugs
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instead of the birds in the trees, even if she is with other
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people. I love that she talks about how simple creatures are
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just as special and miraculous as the ones that are rarer.
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Peterson, you spoke to someone else about birds and lessons
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from bird watching. Peterson Toscano: Yeah, Tykee James, like Rebecca Heider,
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Tykee grew up in Philadelphia and he became interested in
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urban birding as a teen one summer working for a city park.
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Tykee James: This job was connecting me to my community,
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it was connecting me to nature, it was connecting me to the
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history of injustice as to why in my travels of watching birds
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in the city of Philadelphia, I see that some parks have park
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benches, street lights and trash cans, more accessible, more
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maintained. And then other parks don't have those three elements,
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those fundamental building blocks of what makes a safe and
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welcoming Park. It's easy to see those things and ask yourself
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why. When you ask yourself, why and you look into the history of
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decisions that were made that made some people some zip-codes
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sacred, and some people and some other zip-codes sacrificial, it
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becomes very clear that the determining factor is race and
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poverty, where environmental blight, environmental hazards,
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and environmental burden are disproportionately placed. And I
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was able to see that just through birdwatching. There's a
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lot of ways that people can come to this. For me, it was just my
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job as a birder, and as someone who is trying to connect people
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to the park. Peterson Toscano: Tykee has gone on to co-found Amplify for the
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Future, a group that promotes equality in education,
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conservation careers, and outdoor enjoyment. He currently
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lives in Washington DC, where he is the president of the DC
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chapter of the Audubon Society. Tykee was also one of the
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original organizers of black birders week in 2020. Black
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birders created the event in response to a racist incident in
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Central Park. Tykee James: The national conversation, when it was about
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the Black experience, it was particularly around the passing
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of George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, and Ahmaud Arbery. Ahmaud
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Arbery, who was jogging in Georgia, before he was taken
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from us. Sometimes, I think that he could have been watching
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birds, right? Within that timeline, Christian Cooper was
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doing his thing in Central Park, birding, this is a story that
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you can look up as well encourage folks to see it. And
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having a viral experience of racial harassment during that
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time, particularly in the lens of the Birding community, you
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know, there was a group chat where we were like, well, let's
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think about what this means. Let's think about what it would
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mean to rise to the moment, because we did not pick our
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moment. Like, right? Like this is not at all anything that we
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planned very far ahead of time it was in the group chat that I
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tagged out #BlackBirdersWeek? And it seemed like a good pitch.
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From then on, so many folks had a hand and help building this
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and I mean, it was something nice to wake up to if people
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were just like, you know, Bird Twitter was just being Bird
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Twitter. It was something nice and new to wake up to and it was
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put together in a matter of hours before it started
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basically. It was like riding a bike as we were building it, and
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the bike was going downhill. It was just very, very engaging and
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it had such an impact globally, in a way that I don't think
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anyone really expected. I mean, we were gonna have fun with it, the organizers of Black
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Birders Week, we knew that if we were just the audience, we were
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going to be just fine. Being an audience to so many people in a
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way that inspired them really means a lot. When the Black
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experience has been part of the national conversation, what we
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see is trauma so much. The Black experience goes beyond trauma.
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The black experience encompasses joy, pride, resilience,
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strength, and style. Black Birders Week was all about that.
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It's nice that I can have a space, create a space, and build
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a space with people where we can be our authentic selves. Knowing
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that we live in a country that is majority white and whiteness
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has had a head start in defining so many things. So it's nice
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that my Blackness and my Bird-ness can create some joy.
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Peterson Toscano: The 2024 Black Birders Week will take place May
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26th to June 1st. The theme this year is Wings of Justice:
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Soaring for Change. It's hosted by black AF in STEM, get more
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info at BlackAFinstem.com Miche McCall: And learn more about Tykee James at his work at
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the Washington DC chapter at the Audubon Society. One of their
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current efforts is to rename the society. John James Audubon
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enslaved Africans. Chapters in Seattle and Portland have led
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the movement to change the name. Learn about this and more by
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visiting Tykee's Linktree page, just do a search for Tykee James
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and you'll find that Tykee is spelled T-K-Y-E-E.
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Peterson Toscano: The conversation I had with Tykee
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James comes from Citizens Climate Radio Podcast. You can
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hear the full conversation by visiting CCLusa.org/radio. Look
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for episode 59. That website again is CCLusa.org/radio.
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Miche McCall: Every month Friends Journal publishes reviews of books that appeal to Quakers and those curious about
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Quakers. These appear both in the print edition and online.
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Peterson, which one of the books reviewed sparked your interest?
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Peterson Toscano: Anytime I see anything about Isaac Penington,
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my interest is sparked. So I'm excited about Ruth Todd's new
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book exploring Isaac Penington, 17th-Century Quaker Mystic,
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Teacher, and Activist. If you don't know who Isaac Penington
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was, he was a key figure in early Quakerism. He really
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helped the movement grow amid the political chaos of the 1600s
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in England. This was the time when they executed King Charles
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I. Chaos. And his writings, they're just really spirit led.
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I love that he and his wife collaborated and she contributes
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a lot too, to his work. Both their contributions are
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significant. In Ruth Todd's book, she is exploring
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Peningtons teachings but also uses metaphors from nature to
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illustrate some of his spiritual insights. She offers readers
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these experiential exercises to deeply understand the concepts.
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And I think this is going to be like one of those like, daily
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devotional kind of books that I might get into. What about you,
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Miche? Miche McCall: I was looking through the reviews and this
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book Altar to an Erupting Sun by Chuck Collins, stood out to me,
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I haven't spent a whole lot of time thinking that fiction could
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help me in my spiritual practice or my religious life. But Ruah
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Swennerfelt's review of that book really made me rethink
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that. Rae, the main character does something really drastic in
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the very first page of the book. She kills an oil company exec
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along with herself. Peterson Toscano: Aye. Wow.
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Miche McCall: As the effect of this ripples throughout her
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community, the reader has to contend with our own idea of
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what violence might be justified. I'm excited to read
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this book and think about how Quakers pacifism versus peace
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and, and what it means to make a better world. That book again,
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is Altar to an Erupting Sun, by Chuck Collins.
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Peterson Toscano: Wow. It's such a important timely conversation
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to have as we're trying to think about how to move forward. So
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I'm thinking about other recommendations that don't
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appear in Friends Journal, I am not a game person, but I'm
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trying to become one. So I'm excited about a cooperative
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board game called Daybreak. It's about pursuing climate change
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solutions together and there's no like one winner or loser. You
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have to work together. That's what I'm told a cooperative game
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does it make sense? And in the game, it shows us a future where we can invent
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amazing tech and strong communities that protect the
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Earth. This game was made by Matt Leacock, who also created
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the famous game Pandemic. The Daybreak game box is packed with
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eco friendly pieces, and it has hundreds of unique drawings by
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artists from all over the globe. So I'm gonna get this game for
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sure. You can learn more about it at DaybreakGame.org.
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Miche McCall: Yeah, I love cooperative games. I am one of
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those people who doesn't really care if I win or lose, as long
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as everyone's having fun, which, maybe is not everyone's cup of
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tea when they're playing games. But I also think a cooperative
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game makes the most sense with a topic like this.
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Yeah. For my recommendation, Peterson I was thinking all month about
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what I wanted to recommend to you. It hit me as I was falling
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asleep the other night. The thing I was doing right there
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was the thing I wanted to recommend. I listened to
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Headspace, the app, to fall asleep. I keep subscribing
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because there are these three Star Wars themed Sleepcasts, and
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my favorite one is describing the avian species that live on
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the islands of Ahch-To. It describes the Porgs. and also
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the Lenai, which are birds that wear clothes. The Sleepcast is
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describing this beautiful Star Wars planet in a lulling tone
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that I often don't even get past the first two minutes. Honestly,
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these sleepcasts have changed my life. I've never fallen asleep
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faster, and the app is called Headspace.
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Peterson Toscano: I'll check this out and for you listening, we're not being paid for making these recommendations. These are
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just things that we like. Miche McCall: Absolutely.
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Peterson Toscano: Well, Miche thank you so much for being part
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of the show and helping to shape it and just joining in the fun
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and the important conversations that we're having. And thank you
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for joining us for this episode of Quakers Today. If you like
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followers on social media. Peterson Toscano: Quakers, Today is written and produced by me
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Peterson Toscano and Miche McCall: by me, Miche McCall. Music and sound effects
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on today's show comes from Epidemic Sound, and the Macaulay
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library. Season Three of Quakers, Today is sponsored by
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American Friends Service Committee. Peterson Toscano: Do you want to challenge unjust systems and
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That's AFSC.org. Miche McCall: Visit Quakers today.org To see our show notes
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and a full transcript of this episode. And if you stick around
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after closing, you'll hear listeners responses to our
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question - What recommendation do you have for us and why?
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Thank you, friend. Peterson Toscano: We look forward to spending more time
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with you soon. In a moment, you will hear listeners voicemails about
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recommendations they have for us. But first we have a new
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question for you. Here it is: When you walk into a new space.
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What do you see, hear, or experience that makes you feel
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welcome? And what might be present that leads you to
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conclude you may not be welcome?
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Miche McCall: The space you're thinking of might be a place of
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worship, but it also might be someone's home or a library. It
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might be a whole town, or a business, or a school. When you
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walk into a new space, what do you see, hear, or experience
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that makes you feel welcome? And what might be present that leads
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you to conclude that you might not be welcome?
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Peterson Toscano: Leave a voicemail with your name and the
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town where you live. The number to call is 317-Quakers. That's
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317-782-5377. 317-Quakers. +1 if you're calling from outside the
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USA. Miche McCall: If you feel shy about leaving a voicemail, you
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can also send us an email! [email protected] We
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have these contact details in our show notes over at
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Quakerstoday.org. Peterson Toscano: Now we hear your answers to the question,
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what recommendation do you have for us, and why?
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