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1991

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.

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Hasta la vista baby , I

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ate his liver with some father beef

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. Be outcast , be outcast If

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I have to fight to grow our

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case back . My

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god , the children . What

0:22

? What Fuck it ? The

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stories are true . His

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come back to seek his revenge . You must

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make yourself remember . I believe

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in you , peter Pan . Congratulations

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the

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End .

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Welcome to another episode of Quantum Recast . It's

1:04

our first episode of 2024

1:07

. And we are coming

1:09

in hot .

1:10

So hot right now .

1:12

Coming in big . We decided to make

1:14

a splash this year , but before we

1:16

do that , hey

1:19

, we're Quantum Recast , we're on all the

1:21

social media platforms , all of them At

1:24

Quantum Recast . We're even

1:27

on TikTok .

1:29

So just you know , go find them .

1:30

Nick works really hard .

1:32

In the social media world .

1:34

So if you hate me and you like , nick

1:36

, it would be a real slight to me

1:38

to go and engage with our social media .

1:39

Because I have nothing to do with it .

1:42

I do the celebrity face swaps and that's

1:44

about it . Everything else is pure grow

1:46

. All Joining us today is Ash from

1:49

across the pond .

1:50

Hello guys , hello , happy new year .

1:53

Happy new year . Give some of that sweet sultry accent

1:55

.

1:56

Yeah , I'm putting it on . It's over exaggerated

1:58

.

2:00

It's a guy who has a voice , just like ours . He's

2:02

actually from New Jersey or something . I know

2:04

that's a spoiler .

2:07

But if you clicked on this episode , you

2:10

see that we're taking 1991's Hook

2:13

A movie that is near

2:15

and dear to Nick Grohl's heart and we're taking it back to 1984

2:18

. I feel like we've really waited on Hook , because

2:21

this movie matters to you .

2:22

I think it's a group mattering . Don't

2:25

just put me in the corner , I know you just really

2:27

, I think it's just one of your

2:29

movies . I love it . It's great .

2:33

It's a great movie , but it's definitely

2:35

one of Nick's movies , I guess . So

2:37

.

2:38

It would be like in your top 10 , surely ? I

2:40

don't know .

2:42

I can't make that much out of it . I'm

2:44

not going to break it , I'm going to

2:47

spot that , but I was six

2:49

when it came out , so it was definitely right

2:51

there , man , I had

2:53

just turned six . Wow , that's magical

2:55

. I'm going to say that's what we do here on Quantum Recast

2:57

. We take a movie and we uproot it out

2:59

of its original release year and we take

3:02

it forwards or backwards or sideways or diagonal ways , whatever

3:04

, and we drop it in a new release

3:07

year . That's right , because

3:10

we want to see what that movie would look like if it had come out in 1984

3:13

in this case , especially what the cast would

3:15

look like .

3:16

Right .

3:18

So we're just pretty much taking the movie as is and we're going

3:20

to throw a 1984 cast at 1991's Hook . But before

3:23

we do that we really got to dive into

3:25

the movie and we have to also dive into the year of 1984

3:28

. Because we need to know what 1984 is like

3:30

.

3:30

We got to know what we're dealing with , because I wasn't born

3:32

in 1984 .

3:34

I was in my mom , I think . Nope

3:36

, nope , I wouldn't have even been in my mom . What choice of

3:38

life is that , corey ? I wouldn't have even been in

3:40

a twinkle in my dad's eye Because I was born late

3:43

in 85 . I have nothing to do with 1984

3:45

. That's kind of sad . I

3:49

never thought about that . I have nothing

3:51

to do with this year . I hate it . All

3:55

right , the math says my parents

3:57

did it in March or April of 85

3:59

.

4:00

It's good information to know , yeah .

4:04

Come on , everyone's done the math , yeah we all

4:06

have .

4:08

I don't want to do it again . Everyone's done

4:10

it .

4:12

You were a 4th of July guy . My

4:14

parents were spring people . So , let's

4:16

talk about Hook

4:19

.

4:20

They did a series which

4:22

was a series of

4:25

three-dimensional and a series of four-dimensional

4:27

, which is just one of many versions of

4:31

Peter Pan , though this is probably the most creative

4:33

version of Peter Pan because it doesn't

4:35

just throw Jay and Barry's story

4:38

and just recreate it . They

4:40

kind of make their own narrative out of it . Yeah , it's

4:42

a continuation . So if you've released

4:44

December 11th 1991

4:47

, directed rebellious crew of young actors that he later said

4:49

only somewhat kiddingly that the experience made him wonder

4:51

if he ever wanted to have any more kids

4:54

.

4:54

On screen or just in general . It sounds

4:57

like .

5:00

He also felt guilty that he wasn't able to find an economical

5:02

method of filming the many complex human fight

5:04

sequences in this movie . However , after Robin Williams

5:06

death , spielberg says he is now thankful he made

5:09

this movie , as that was how he met Williams

5:11

and became good friends with him .

5:12

I mean a like I think that the

5:14

flight sequences of the movie are handled pretty

5:16

well , given , like , the context and time and place

5:18

that they're at . But yeah , like I think that's also

5:21

like a big reason people hold on to this movie

5:23

so much , especially people close to our age

5:25

is that it's like peak Robin Williams , in terms

5:27

of like family friendly Robin Williams , I would

5:29

say .

5:31

So I like it's even Spalber a

5:33

kettle hard time , but he's glad he made it because

5:36

you know Q Cinderella's , you don't

5:38

know what you got till , it's gone so .

5:41

It is now gosh .

5:43

But based on the 1904 play , a 1911

5:46

book by J M Berry . If you've never seen

5:48

the movie Finding Neverland , it's incredible watch

5:50

it . You will cry it he will cry

5:52

, but it's essentially about J M Berry meeting

5:54

the kids that inspired Peter Pan . Written

5:58

by James v Hart , I guess mainly the

6:00

script writer for this credits inspiration

6:03

on his take on the continuing Peter Pan story to his

6:05

young son , jake , who one day asked him what would have happened

6:07

if Peter Pan grew up . That's all

6:09

good stories . Someone just says , what if ?

6:11

right , yeah , what if this happened ? You're like

6:13

write that down this guy's

6:15

son .

6:16

It would appear better grown up and this guy's like brilliant

6:18

.

6:21

Melee starts typing away .

6:22

It's kind of one of that kid when she grew up it's like hey

6:24

, so , dad , I never saw any residuals . That

6:29

was my idea also Nick

6:31

Castle , and Kerry Fisher was a

6:33

script doctor .

6:34

Yeah , she came in to fix a lot of the tinkerbell dialogue

6:37

which is maybe why tinkerbell so

6:39

sassy yeah and the castle , I guess as a director

6:41

of last starfighter and but he's okay

6:43

wrote escape from New York .

6:47

He wrote all the lost with yeah . Gang

6:52

of scary looking individuals trying to

6:54

survive , All right um . This movie

6:56

originally had the shooting schedule of 76 days

6:58

and a budget of 48 million

7:00

. They only spent 48 million . I guess it's 1991

7:04

money yeah but production took

7:06

longer . Expected shooting schedule Expended 116

7:08

days and the budget bloated to 80

7:10

million . Steven

7:14

Spocker blames himself for this , saying I began

7:16

to work at a slower pace than I usually do . He cared

7:19

it's the kid care , but it made $300

7:23

million . So yeah , I mean this is going .

7:24

Yeah , it was like the highest grossing pirate theme film

7:26

until the Pirates of the Caribbean movies

7:28

so like to say that it was a failure Anything . I

7:30

don't feel like you can honestly say that if it's making

7:32

that much more money , but to them it wasn't . It's

7:35

not the usual Spielberg stuff , so yeah

7:37

. I guess with his rep , is why it wasn't as big . I guess

7:39

, yeah , I mean stress part comes after

7:41

this yes , so it's not .

7:43

So you have to wonder what the VHS dollar

7:45

is , though .

7:46

Oh , I'm sure it's crazy it had to be

7:48

Massive .

7:50

This is like the height of the HS .

7:52

I'm pretty sure this is that's exactly how I watched

7:54

it , like we rented it or something , or my parents bought

7:56

it and then we just played that thing over

7:58

and over and over again .

8:00

Was this , was this before pretty woman ? Because was Judea

8:02

Robots a name when this came out ?

8:04

I believe pretty woman is right around this

8:06

yeah , she's a name , for sure .

8:08

It's the year before , so she's .

8:10

Definitely casting off like this is the new

8:12

it girl like we definitely bring her in . Hmm

8:15

, hmm , okay .

8:16

Okay ended up making a profit of

8:18

50 million for the studio , yet it was still declared a financial

8:20

disappointment . That is whatever this movie

8:22

has legs , and when that VHS money came

8:24

in , they were probably like it's

8:28

crazy I just looked this up this had a bigger budget

8:30

than Jurassic Park , Really

8:32

, yeah 63 million .

8:33

I was parking this balloon to 80 . So

8:35

yeah , we're doing , wow .

8:39

All right . Well , that means we need to talk about

8:41

useless critic stats

8:43

, always like here I

8:51

am . Db score 6.8 out

8:53

of 10 . Not bad , not bad rotten

8:55

tomatoes . Wow , critics

8:58

hated this . I did 29%

9:01

. That's like almost rotten by

9:03

our standards right , but a 70% or

9:05

76% audience score so

9:07

people enjoyed this movie if you

9:09

weren't trying to watch the fantasy movie with analytic

9:11

eyes , metacritic

9:14

52 , wait , this is 52

9:16

and 71 the audience the critic scores

9:18

52 .

9:19

The audience score was 71 .

9:20

I didn't even know . Medicritic had an audience score . Well

9:22

, I remember last time you you were .

9:24

It was because the critic score is a 100%er

9:27

and then they , for some reason , they make the audience

9:29

one at 10 , 10 points . So it's technically

9:31

7.1 .

9:32

That's stupid . That's a critic is dumb , all

9:35

right . Well , it's a 52 out of 100 , with critics . I

9:37

just rounded the decimal over you know not

9:39

fun Letterbox 3.4

9:41

out of 5 . And Ebert , our

9:44

boy , roger Ebert . Oh god , two

9:46

stars out of four . Terrible

9:50

some quotes we've pulled from a

9:52

old Ebert . Here is the ads

9:54

for Steven Spielberg hook . Ask the question

9:56

what if Peter Pan grew up ? But the answer , alas , is

9:58

that then he would probably start a Lou

10:01

Groom would be a serious retread

10:03

of a once magical idea .

10:05

Somebody had their word of the day .

10:08

Because he just confused Peter

10:10

Pan with Robin Williams is two different people . What

10:12

an idiot very conflicting here . We get the

10:14

uncanny suspicion that hook was written and directed

10:17

according to the famous recipe of the country preacher , who told

10:19

the folks that it . He told the folks

10:21

what he was going to tell them , told them , and then told

10:23

them what he had . Told them what

10:25

.

10:27

What .

10:27

Ebert was sipping the sauce something . Yeah , he was . If

10:33

you can only give hook two out of four stars , you're

10:35

having an off day .

10:36

Yeah , I feel like Ebert's constantly has

10:38

off days .

10:39

We've just decided that he's either having a great day or a bad

10:41

day for a guy that takes it out on his Reverse

10:43

guy that gets paid to just go watch movies and

10:46

all day , all week and then write about

10:48

them .

10:48

He has a lot of bad days .

10:49

He really does . I'm

10:52

pretty sure that's what Ten

10:54

Tarantino's tenth movies about

10:56

, because it's about a movie critic . It's just gonna be about Ebert

10:58

having horrible day . It's gonna be the

11:01

one process bad or good days and that

11:03

influences movies .

11:04

Oh my gosh .

11:07

Disappointed in the stats .

11:09

Well , this is the weird thing about hook

11:12

is that it came out 91 , so for all

11:14

of us it was a very like big part of our child

11:16

. It seems like that there's a window of time and

11:18

if you grew up in this window of time and

11:20

watched it , it's one of your favorite movies . You

11:22

may , even if you don't look at it from a critical standpoint

11:24

or like you might sit there , go like this isn't my favorite movie , you

11:27

still love it , yeah , and everybody on either

11:29

side of that bubble just kind of just throws

11:31

a hand something and goes like I don't get it , it's whatever

11:33

.

11:34

Yeah , I kind of agree with you , like we're all

11:36

similar ages and I think the center mentality sort

11:38

of trumps the analytical

11:40

perspective of a movie these days , because those that

11:43

was a range of Different reviews

11:45

and scores that were ranging from 20% to

11:47

70 . So there's there's a conflicting thing

11:49

about this film . They don't know what it is . I think we kind

11:51

of do because we've allowed time to do it sting and we look

11:54

at this . You know , you know Robin Williams , death is

11:56

definitely Concreted . This film in history is one

11:58

of the , you know , one of his great films and , I

12:00

think , a great film in terms of , like historical

12:03

Spielberg moments . But it's very hard to

12:05

differentiate between sense mentality

12:07

and Film analytic . I don't

12:09

know . So it this film ? for a very great

12:11

area for me , mm-hmm .

12:14

I don't know . I feel like I can take , because

12:16

I'm not even a fan of nostalgia .

12:18

Yeah , I don't like it so .

12:19

I try to base nothing off nostalgia . I try to like understand

12:22

that I'm prone to it . Yeah there's things that

12:24

I can love . Yeah but I feel

12:26

like I've gotten to a point in life where I can say something's bad

12:28

right and nostalgic , like nostalgic , but I like it because

12:30

it was just there and good . Into

12:32

me this is like no different than labyrinth , it's like

12:35

I don't know . It's just a good movie , yeah

12:37

.

12:37

I think it's well done . It's the idea that , like

12:39

kids movies can't be like seen as like

12:41

critical darlings or like be seen as

12:43

well-made movies . But I feel like that's just a

12:45

very like weird stance to take . Like , if you

12:47

walk into a kids , it's the same people that are like I'm

12:49

gonna watch this kids movie and it's like , yeah

12:52

, because it's animated or it's geared towards

12:54

like families , that it's not gonna be a quality

12:56

and it's like there's been so many examples , exactly

12:58

movies that have proven that wrong

13:00

time and time again and like , if you think about it , like

13:02

a lot of kids movies do more 90

13:04

minutes Than a full , like three-hour

13:07

movie can judge man yeah granted , this is a

13:09

much longer family film and that's usually

13:11

one of the complaints about it is like , oh , it's just so long , and

13:13

I'm like , but there's so much like attention

13:15

to detail , like like this time that's my always the thing

13:17

when I watch this movie . I'm trying to be like why

13:19

, where's the critical errors here ? Like what

13:21

, what do people look for in this problem ? And maybe

13:23

that's . I try to take off the nostalgia glasses

13:26

, but I just constantly say they're going like there's just as much attention

13:28

to detail . And this is any other Spielberg movie . Yeah

13:30

, hammerwork is great . That's the set design . I

13:33

guess they complain that it's unrealistic , but

13:35

it's very and it's more like a theme

13:38

park . But , that's kind of what works

13:40

about you expect yeah .

13:42

Yeah . Yeah

13:45

, it's weird , I was . I'm a little taken back by

13:47

the scores .

13:48

I'm just I don't know .

13:49

I can't tell if this is just a even like letterbox . I

13:51

think the one that hit me the most was like 3.4 out of

13:53

5 because it's a relatively new Service

13:56

. Yeah

13:58

, it's , definitely higher , but I still expect him to like at

14:01

least hit a solid 4 . Yeah

14:03

you know what that's ? Just because it's a bunch of millennials watching

14:05

tick-tock while they're also watching a movie . I'm

14:07

you know yeah

14:10

, I guess I should say , jinzy think it's technically

14:12

a millennium he took you six months

14:14

, figure out tick-tock so .

14:17

He got there in the end . Extensive

14:20

research .

14:20

So all right , nick , why

14:24

did you pick this movie ? Because , I mean , I'm directing , right

14:26

?

14:27

Yeah .

14:27

But I feel like we chose this movie

14:29

together .

14:29

Collectively , yeah , but I mean it's like you said . It's been

14:32

discussed amongst the podcast for

14:34

multiple years now as a potential episode . But

14:36

I think we were either afraid to do it just because

14:38

it was near and dear to many people's hearts . But

14:41

we also try to just think like , where does it fit

14:43

? Where should we take it ? But the reason

14:45

why I mean I think we've kind of touched

14:47

on it already a little bit , but it's just like it was a thing

14:49

from our childhood that we loved a lot

14:52

growing up and maybe I'm more on

14:54

that side of it or it's a bigger deal to me than both

14:56

of you I don't know where you guys

14:58

. It seems like you both really enjoy it .

15:00

I watched this movie ad nauseam

15:02

as a child . It was just always there , yeah

15:05

.

15:05

Peak time . Yeah , I grew up around what

15:07

89 ? I watched this probably when I was five or six . A few

15:09

years later with , like Jurassic Park and

15:11

, yeah , this hit me really hard . It's watching it again

15:14

. I mean , it's a whole different experience . But yeah

15:16

, the first time I watched it it was one of the best movies I've ever

15:18

watched . Honestly , it was just a good ride

15:20

. It was on par with , you know , like the Goonies and the

15:22

ET , and it still did what it did

15:24

in the 80s with Spielberg's film .

15:26

So yeah , it was . It

15:28

was in the rotation with all the other VHS's

15:30

in my home of like recorded Star Wars movies

15:32

Back to the Futures and Indiana Jones

15:35

and stuff like that , so it fit amongst all

15:37

of that seamlessly to me . And

15:40

rewatching it now it kind of has the same effect

15:42

on me that watching like it's a wonderful life

15:44

does , in the sense that every time you watch

15:47

it you kind of get a different perspective . And

15:49

I think that's because , like as a kid , you're watching and you're like , oh

15:51

, this is a good story and this is fun . But

15:53

then as you get older you start to relate to you

15:55

might relate to Jackmore , you might relate to Rufio

15:57

more , and then you can start to relate to Peter himself

16:00

and Hook as well .

16:01

Like you start to kind of .

16:01

It's one of those that just continues

16:03

to age . Well , I think .

16:05

Oh , for sure .

16:06

For sure .

16:07

Well , that's why we picked this movie

16:09

, because it's near and dear to our heart and we just , we

16:12

just have to put ourselves to the ring with these movies .

16:15

The answer is Corey , I'm ready to hurt again .

16:18

I'm scared , I'm honestly scared to go up against Nick right now

16:20

.

16:20

New year , new you . I know how much this film means to you

16:22

.

16:22

This film means a lot to you , and I love this film too , but , oh my

16:24

God , I don't know what to say about the castings , though .

16:27

We figured , if just start the year off

16:29

demolishing something that's near

16:31

and dear to so many people , it'd be perfect

16:33

.

16:33

It's like , hey , rest of the year is easy .

16:36

I don't think Penty wants to demolish this , by the way .

16:39

But hey , maybe we did good , maybe we're going to give us a really

16:41

good 1984 .

16:43

A solid year .

16:44

I hope so , I really do .

16:46

And so and I think that here we chose 1984

16:48

is it's the reason we take any sort of fantasy movie

16:50

to this year . It's the peak time

16:53

.

16:53

Yeah .

16:54

There's just it's legend and labyrinth and all these other fantasy

16:56

movies that are , you know , schwarzenegger's making all

16:58

the Conan movies .

16:59

Yeah .

17:00

You know it's , it's , this is where it fits . This

17:02

is where it fits , which means we need to

17:04

talk about 1984 . We

17:06

need to get an idea of what's going on in the world

17:09

of Hollywood in 1984

17:11

. We're one year away from the greatest

17:13

year in cinema in 1985 , but this

17:15

is a good lead up here .

17:16

It's a nice prequel , it is .

17:18

It is . So we got

17:20

to ask ourselves what was everyone watching

17:22

? What was the top 10 at

17:24

the worldwide box office for 1984

17:27

releases Movies released in 1984

17:30

. We're coming in at number 10 with Splash . That's

17:33

the Tom Hanks movie , yeah , yeah the .

17:35

Tom Hanks movie yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah

17:37

, yeah , yeah .

17:37

Yeah , all right . 9 , star Trek 3

17:39

. Search for Spock , number

17:41

8 , romancing the Stone . 7

17:44

, footloose Nice . 6

17:46

, Police Academy 1 . Oh 5

17:49

, the Karate Kid . I'm

17:52

just going to disagree with the top four , okay , okay

17:55

. Cause it's been Karate Kid 4 , gremlins

17:57

3 , indiana Jones

17:59

in the Temple of Doom . There you go . Ash 2

18:01

, Ghostbusters and number 1 , we're

18:04

getting a sequel this year Beverly

18:07

Hills Cop Amazing .

18:09

We were at the peak of Eddie .

18:11

Yeah , I really like that back half

18:13

way more than the front half .

18:15

Yeah yeah , there's a few interesting

18:17

films in there , but wow , that's a very iconic

18:19

year , like if we skipped this yeah , it really is

18:22

.

18:22

Yeah Cool there , yeah

18:24

Cool there .

18:25

All right , yeah , kevin Bacon dancing . Yeah

18:27

, and you know .

18:28

Ralf from .

18:29

Machio doing Karate . Yeah , I

18:33

think that's one of the worst episodes we ever did , in my

18:36

opinion , because I hate that movie .

18:37

Do you hate that film ? It's a weird one for me .

18:38

Yeah , I like Gremlins 2 .

18:40

I don't like Gremlins , but that's for a defense

18:42

of the sequel episode one day . Yeah

18:44

, yeah , all right . The Oscars , which means what we're

18:46

all the cinephiles really into . What are all the snobby

18:49

movie people ? It's just loving the Hobbes

18:51

. Best supporting actress for 1984

18:54

. Peggy Ashcroft a passage to

18:56

India . Oh , I've never

18:58

heard of her or it Supporting

19:00

actor . I just like completely discredit

19:03

us every time we get to the Oscars

19:05

, people can just why am I listening to these guys

19:07

Supporting

19:10

actor Hanging Esnior for

19:12

the killing fields ? Never seen

19:14

it .

19:15

I've heard of that movie , actress .

19:16

Sally Field oh gosh , Sally Field's a babe

19:19

. Places in the heart have seen

19:21

this .

19:22

I actually have seen this . See , we're credible

19:24

. Yeah , and she did great .

19:26

Actor F Marie Abraham for Amadeus . Never

19:29

seen it . This is the reference

19:32

joke through Last Action Hero .

19:33

You've never seen Amadeus , never seen it .

19:35

I just know that every time F Marie Abraham shows up in Last

19:37

Action Hero , they refer to him as the guy that

19:39

killed last action hero .

19:41

Yes , yes , they do . You need to at some point sit

19:43

down and watch some Amadeus .

19:45

Okay , is it epic ?

19:46

It's very epic . It's just

19:48

iconic and epic . And yeah , I think

19:50

it'll . It has its place in pop culture for sure

19:52

. Oh , again , isn't it ? No

19:54

, no , that's a different guy , I can't remember who

19:56

.

19:56

Oh , I'm a star . I think it was Bill Bex , sorry .

19:59

I think it was someone that did that when Amadeus was directed by

20:02

Milo's foreman , or Milo's

20:04

foreman .

20:06

No idea . The best picture

20:08

nominees for 1984

20:10

movies that came out in 1984 .

20:12

I'm sorry , just before we get into that , I will say the

20:14

Milo's foreman . He directed one flu of the Cuckoo's

20:16

Nest , amadeus man on the Moon and

20:18

People for Slayer of Flick Some great

20:20

stuff .

20:21

He's got quite a tracker . It's quite a tracker See

20:24

, like the Daniel Bay Lewis of directors . Maybe just one

20:26

movie every 20 years .

20:29

It looks like it is this guy .

20:31

All right , all right . Well , so the nominees for pictures

20:34

. That's picture of 1984 was the killing

20:36

fields , a passage to India , places

20:38

in the heart . All referenced so far a

20:40

soldier story , but the winner Amadeus . There

20:44

you go . It's like every except

20:46

for a soldier story . All the nominees

20:48

got other awards .

20:50

They did .

20:50

Yeah , everyone gets

20:52

it all . Everybody's happy . It's

20:54

great . I think we're just seeing like a really diplomatic

20:56

year at the Oscars . All

21:00

right , all right . Notable films

21:02

Guys

21:04

anybody have a movie that

21:06

we haven't mentioned yet that you just

21:08

love or think people should see

21:10

?

21:10

What do you got , nick ? So

21:13

I did a little deep diving leading up to this episode

21:15

, and the new one I discovered , or just

21:17

witnessed , was Bukkuru Banzai

21:19

in the Ventures in the Eighth Dimension or

21:21

the Ventures of Bukkuru Banzai in the Eighth . Dimension

21:23

. I can't

21:26

even properly describe this movie to you other than

21:28

it's the guy from Robocop

21:30

and he plays a scientist

21:32

, slash rock and roll star

21:35

, who breaks through the Eighth Dimension

21:37

, communicates with aliens , and now there's like this whole

21:39

like secret invasion thing where they're

21:41

trying to take over and he's combating them

21:43

with Jeff Goldblum and it's got a pretty

21:45

wild cast in here because it's got him , it's

21:47

got Christopher Lloyd . The guy

21:50

who voices Mr Krabs is in it . I

21:52

mean , just keep .

21:53

I'm reading it . You had me at Jeff

21:55

Goldblum , but what is an Eighth Dimension ? I

21:57

thought we only had four .

22:00

It's a fun 80 science title , that's

22:02

what it is I'm in .

22:03

I mean you've sold it to me .

22:06

I should say that Clancy Brown is the gentleman

22:08

that , thank you . We'll not just

22:10

leave him on guy that

22:12

voices Mr Krabs . No

22:15

, it's a lot of people John Lispy and Chris from Lloyd . It's

22:17

got a lot of like character actors like Vincent Cheyvellian

22:20

, dan and Aya . And then

22:22

there's the Nazi from Indiana

22:24

Joneses in this movie .

22:25

Oh , that's right yeah .

22:27

It's got a little bit of everybody yeah

22:29

.

22:29

Ash , what do you have on the list ?

22:31

Yeah , I mean nothing as crazy as that , but

22:33

I'm definitely going to find that movie and put it on the

22:35

watch list . But no , yeah , there was a film

22:37

that got remade in the last 10 years

22:39

called Red Dawn . I don't know if you guys have seen it . It's a John Milley's

22:41

film , Basically . Yeah

22:44

, it's got Patrick Swayze and it's just a bunch of kids

22:46

in America , suburban America , and basically it's

22:48

like the dawn of World War III . Why it's called Red Dawn

22:50

and they basically get together and

22:53

basically fight the enemy who you

22:55

know , I think is actually unknown . It's quite

22:57

a good movie in terms of when it was released

22:59

, at the right time , and then they remade

23:01

it with I don't know what year they remade it I want to say

23:04

2014 or something and

23:07

I had Josh Peck , Chris Hemsworth and it wasn't as good , unfortunately

23:09

. No , I love the idea of

23:11

much better .

23:13

No , red Dawn is like a really

23:15

well made movie . Yeah

23:17

, opening scenes like one of the most disturbing things

23:19

.

23:23

It's dark it is .

23:25

It's a wild .

23:26

I went through watching it and I was just like nobody's having a good time with

23:28

this , but also the Russians are so inept

23:30

that they can't take out these kids hiding in the mountains

23:32

.

23:34

Yeah , we'll see the Russians .

23:36

Is it Russian ? I feel like they like .

23:38

It's a combo Russian Cuba right , it's like

23:40

either Mexico or Cuba or something .

23:42

I don't think they ever say anything . It's

23:45

the Russian .

23:46

It's the 80s , we can assume

23:48

. Yeah , they were East in Europe .

23:49

Yeah , it's the 80s . That's who we were afraid of

23:51

.

23:52

A quick fun fact for you , Ash , before we get

23:54

Corey thick . But I have been

23:56

to the town that they filmed a lot of the

23:59

scenes of , like the internment camp

24:01

. Are you joking me ? Las Vegas

24:03

, New Mexico , not actual Vegas , but they

24:06

filmed movies like no

24:08

Country for a Woman there . They used

24:10

the drive-in movie theater that I went to watch

24:12

a couple movies at for the internment camp

24:14

of that movie .

24:16

It's insane , very jealous

24:18

man . What about ?

24:20

you , Corey . It's 1984

24:24

. I've seen everything

24:26

except for Almedas . I

24:28

mean . It's purple rain , it's revenge with the nerds

24:30

, it's Terminator , it's one of the best Friday of the

24:32

13th . It's everything . Street's a fire .

24:34

Yeah , it's good to hear . Oh my gosh this is Spinal Tap

24:36

.

24:37

It's a stupidly good movie . But 16 Candles

24:39

how did that not make the top 10 ? What were people doing

24:41

in 1984 ?

24:43

They're watching all of these good movies , corey , yeah

24:45

, they had to spread it out .

24:47

Either way , I'm just going to recommend

24:49

a movie Just

24:51

for anyone that just into like some , maybe some weird stuff

24:54

.

24:54

Okay , called Run Away , run

24:57

Away .

24:57

Run Away , 1984's Run Away . It's

24:59

a Tom Selleck movie . Okay

25:02

, I've watched this is because

25:04

it's the first movie that basest for

25:06

kiss Gene Simmons was in . And

25:09

he plays the villain . Oh my gosh . And

25:11

it's like a future movie and like there's robots

25:13

everywhere and Tom Selleck's just like this cop that works

25:16

on the robots , like he's like almost

25:18

just a robot maintenance guy on the force , but then

25:20

Gene Simmons is taking the robots and like

25:22

programming to kill . This movie

25:24

isn't real , it's super real . This

25:26

is .

25:26

Michael Crichton Corey . I didn't know this .

25:29

What is it ? Michael Crichton ? Oh my God

25:31

, he's the writer . Director

25:33

, wow Come on .

25:36

Exactly so it's . You

25:38

can't do that right .

25:39

You've blown that just right . This is crazy

25:41

. Oh my God , I'm having like a revelation here

25:43

.

25:43

Is this a novel or I don't think . I think he wrote

25:46

it just for the screen , that's amazing

25:48

.

25:48

Well , I'm going to watch it .

25:49

It's the 80s , everyone did , stephen King did , everyone

25:51

did it . They're like you know what I write books . How hard can it be to direct

25:53

a movie ?

25:54

As you can rent it on Amazon Prime . Just on

25:56

my eyes .

25:56

I will be doing that as soon as we get off this call . Yep , okay

25:59

.

25:59

I just as

26:02

a kid , I thought Kiss was the greatest thing ever . So I watched

26:05

all of Gene Simmons' movies and

26:08

this is wildly the best one . There's one where

26:10

he plays at Transvestite , the John Stamos movie .

26:12

That's really good .

26:13

Interesting . I forget what it's

26:15

called , but it's also awesome . So

26:17

he's not a great actor , just so

26:19

you know . All right , so

26:22

how does the movie change in 1984

26:25

?

26:26

Well , I think that it doesn't . It's

26:28

really more about who's in it than what changes

26:30

outside around it , because I feel like , from in

26:33

terms of set design , practical effects and

26:35

the effects that are introduced in this movie

26:37

, it's going to be relatively the same . I don't

26:39

feel like they were doing it's not Jurassic Park , where

26:41

you have a bunch of CGI dinosaurs and

26:43

stuff like that going on . I feel

26:46

like this is just fantasy filmmaking at its peak

26:48

before the CGI takeover

26:50

. Basically , so I think it translates well to

26:52

a 1984

26:55

Hollywood .

26:56

Yeah , yeah , I would have to

26:58

agree with Nick . I think 1984 actually might complement

27:00

the 1991 version because it might

27:03

not rely on the attempt

27:05

of CGI , which was still good and

27:07

the special effects were good , but the practical effects that was

27:10

on the Spielberg 1991

27:12

boat could easily be done in 84 . I think it might . He's

27:14

taken it back what seven years ? I think it will still probably

27:17

be the same film . I think Nick's absolutely right

27:19

. It's just dependent on who's going to be in the film

27:21

and how that changes . But I think everything else it stays

27:23

the same for me , yeah .

27:25

And I think from the

27:28

90s , were all about these dads

27:30

trying to get in contact with their kids , basically

27:32

. But I do think it'll also hit in the

27:34

80s , because you're talking about yuppie culture

27:37

and stuff , and so Peter Pan being just

27:39

all about money and Reaganomics and stuff like that

27:41

, that also hits really well too . Those

27:44

are still themes that are covered a lot in the

27:46

80s . I feel like yeah

27:48

, for sure no-transcript

27:51

.

27:51

Here's an interesting thing .

27:52

Okay .

27:53

So in the movie they fly Pan Am .

27:54

Yeah .

27:56

Weirdly , like a , I collect a lot of Pan Am t-shirts

27:58

for some reason .

27:59

I have a weird amount of them .

28:00

I think I just like that movie where Leo DiCaprio's

28:02

Catch Me , if you Can , just constantly pranking

28:05

Tom Hanks all over the country . But

28:08

Pan Am , they fly on the movie . They went out of business

28:10

a week before this movie came out . That's

28:13

wild , like December 4 , 1991

28:15

, but of course they filmed the movie like in 1990

28:17

. So they're flying Pan Am and

28:20

the failure of the airline was just

28:22

due to failing standards of maintenance and

28:24

safety , which is what you want in there , sure . Yeah

28:26

, you want them to you know there's like that one in

28:28

Alaska that just had a window fly out of it

28:30

.

28:30

You know they're in trouble now .

28:31

Yeah , You're like they're probably going to go out of business because

28:33

people just don't want to be on your plane . Nope , they

28:35

might die , and they also lost a plane

28:37

in a terrorist bombing . But it's kind

28:40

of assumed that if it were not for the latter , chances

28:42

are that this film might have revitalized some

28:44

like of oh , for sure yeah . People would have

28:46

like maybe .

28:47

I don't know a lot of parents that are going to make decisions

28:49

to fly in an airline because their kid wants

28:51

to fly in the Pan Am fly , the same one

28:54

as Peter Pan but I'm sure it helps in

28:56

some form it might boost a little bit , it might delay

28:58

the inevitable maybe .

28:59

But yeah , it's just one of those like product placements

29:01

. That's like ah , we were late yeah

29:04

.

29:05

Just missed the window .

29:07

So it's like seeing Pepsi clear in an 80s

29:09

movie . It's like , oh yeah , that was a

29:11

thing they tried that it didn't work

29:14

. Notable

29:16

cameos in the movie .

29:18

Yeah .

29:19

This movie is kind of filled with cameos that

29:21

we should discuss before we hop into the casting . Right

29:23

, this is a good transition before we cast

29:26

this bad boy in 1984 . Phil

29:29

Collins plays the inspector who arrives at

29:31

the Banting Home after Hook kidnaps the

29:33

children .

29:34

That's Phil Collins .

29:36

Yeah , Phil Collins .

29:37

I didn't even call that .

29:39

He's right there in the center of thing and then , yeah , that's another thing

29:41

you pick up as an adult and go what ?

29:44

So this is the only Robin Williams movie I've seen

29:46

since his death . I have a weird thing about going

29:48

back to them .

29:49

They just seem like it'd be depressing .

29:50

But I think it's when I saw this and they did

29:52

an Alamo draft house showing up .

29:54

It was not long after .

29:55

Robin Williams' death and

29:58

they did like a Lost Boys menu and

30:00

I think that's when I first went hey , phil Collins

30:03

, wait a minute , it's on the big

30:05

screen . So I was like , hey , I could see him . It's

30:07

a rubber singer for Genesis , so

30:09

a Jimmy Buffett speaking of

30:11

the late greats . Just

30:13

he just passed one of the pirates who attempts to steal

30:16

Peter's shoes when he first arrives in

30:18

Neverland . David Crosby , he

30:20

also man . All these people just died in

30:23

the Captain . Hook intro scene . Shouting along with the

30:25

hook . I've always recognized David Crosby

30:27

, Even as a kid . I somehow just knew that's David Crosby

30:29

. Carrie

30:31

Fisher , Gosh OK , George

30:33

Lucas is still alive . We need everybody to keep an eye on

30:35

George Lucas and Phil Collins . The

30:38

kissing couple floating as Tink takes

30:40

Peter to Neverland . I just feel like George Lucas

30:42

somehow can kiss Carrie Fisher

30:45

. Yeah , steven Spielberg

30:47

. He leads the pirates in March on the hook ship

30:49

with Jack's watch on a pillow . And

30:51

then Glenn Close this is the famous

30:53

one , but I also didn't know this until kind of later in

30:55

life . She's cutlass the pirate that gets

30:57

dropped in the boo box .

30:58

Yeah , the fact that it was because she's you

31:01

know looks really like a guy , yeah , like

31:03

make the one questioned it . Yeah , she

31:05

didn't care .

31:06

He loved it . I love her for that , that's it .

31:07

Yeah that's . It's pretty awesome .

31:09

Yeah .

31:11

All right , that means we need to do this

31:13

. Ok hook , it's lifted up out of 1991

31:15

. We've taken it out of our childhoods and we're taking

31:17

it back to before we're born 1984.

31:23

, Shoo .

31:24

Look at that Slice must flow Fortune

31:27

and glory . Kid . What are we waiting for , 1984

31:31

. I'll be back .

31:35

You have arrived , so now we need to give it a 1984

31:38

cast . If you will , let's

31:41

do it . There's rules , nick . Ok

31:43

, I know you wanted me to skip them . Yeah

31:46

, ash , definitely doesn't like to play by the rules

31:48

. But rule

31:51

number one anyone you cast in 1984

31:54

is hooked must be alive in 1984 . Not

31:56

going to bring anyone back from the dead .

31:57

OK .

31:58

Anyone you cast has to be free to do so

32:01

. They cannot be in prison , you

32:03

know got it , I'm not completely

32:05

aware of all the actors that went to prison , prison in the 80s , but

32:07

I'm sure there were some . No problem , number three

32:09

they have to be active . Yes

32:12

, acting Now

32:14

that's going to go into

32:16

a new rule , so any

32:18

adult role has

32:20

to be actively acting , which we define

32:22

that as having a credit in 1984

32:24

. Yeah , yes , yes . So rule

32:27

three B New addition

32:29

, new addition that we have to do because I

32:32

think another reason we've not done this movie

32:34

is the same reason because we've not done

32:36

Stand by Me in other movies .

32:37

Yes .

32:37

Is kid actors are the worst . There's only

32:40

like a handful of greats and all

32:42

of cinema .

32:43

Right , and to try and pilfer through a year , just

32:45

one year , yeah , it's just land on

32:47

the same ones yeah .

32:48

Yeah , exactly .

32:48

So we're now kind of creating a

32:50

larger window for kid actors .

32:52

It's a it's a flex rule , a guideline , as long as

32:54

they were acting somewhere in the

32:56

vicinity of 1984 .

32:58

Yeah , yeah as .

32:58

Long as you can provide a good sample size . Yes

33:01

, like of something within that realm , like

33:03

again 1984 . You can't cast young

33:06

Brad Pitt .

33:07

Yeah , we know it's not a yes

33:09

. It started a movie until like five years later , so

33:11

yeah , he's an adult .

33:12

I mean , it's just like that's , that's a rule still , but

33:15

, and that we'll just have to go director to director

33:17

. Yeah . They're not . They want to count what you did or not . But

33:19

that gives us a little more freedom

33:21

and leeway with the kid actors .

33:24

And that means we get to cast , hopefully more potentially

33:26

. We're , hopefully we're looking forward to casting

33:28

kids movies . Yeah , or that way , right .

33:30

You should well do Stand by Me and then rule number

33:32

we have done , stand by me . Huh , we've done

33:34

, stand by me we did not do stand by me , it was

33:36

like two seasons ago .

33:37

You lie , I know we did it , yeah .

33:39

You actually did it . It was a good .

33:41

Are you sure ? Yeah , ash , just heard it . Yeah .

33:43

You've listened to this episode .

33:45

I'm pretty sure I have . Yeah , I don't

33:47

think it exists .

33:48

It does . Don't mess with me .

33:49

You have not done , stand by me . All

33:51

right , whatever , fine , I'll go look it up . Um

33:54

, because that just sounds like something

33:56

I would have vetoed immediately . So , all

33:58

right . Rule number four Anyone

34:01

you cast has you

34:03

. They lose all major film credits

34:05

in 1984 . Yes , we're selfish

34:07

. We're not letting them make more than one movie . Yeah , they're

34:09

committed to hook . But the shooting is going to go

34:11

twice as long . Right Even intended

34:14

so Um , so

34:16

that's kind of where you have to be creative with this . There's a

34:18

lot . We just established that 1984

34:20

is kind of a banger year . Mm , hmm , sure

34:22

, you can just go with an alien . This .

34:24

All right .

34:25

But there are power ups we give . We give ourselves

34:27

a little bit of power . I'm the director , so

34:29

I have two power ups . At any point in

34:31

the casting I can pull the switcheroo card , which

34:33

means I can switch any two actors

34:35

on the board in the respective roles . Got

34:38

it , I can do that at any time . That's a lot

34:40

of power , but then I have the override as well

34:42

. But I have to do that in the casting of the

34:44

character . I can tell you both get out

34:47

of here . I'm putting my own person in , but I'm still

34:49

subject to the rules . Got it , but I can only do

34:51

that one time it has to happen right there , um

34:54

, and we'll just see how you do .

34:56

Oh gosh .

34:58

Let's do it . All right , I'm ready .

34:59

I'm ready . Let's get this done .

35:02

All right . So , since this is a big cast , we are doing

35:04

a 30 seconds or less , which is where we take some of

35:06

the smaller roles . But roles we love , yeah

35:08

, roles we enjoy , but maybe we

35:10

don't need to talk a lot about them , but we want

35:12

to put some 1984 actors .

35:14

Just a quick disclaimer we are not casting all of the

35:16

Lost Boys , sadly .

35:17

No , goodness , no , I didn't know how many

35:19

there are . So , even

35:21

with the new rule , that's too many .

35:23

It's too many . Yeah , it's too many .

35:25

So all right . So our 30 seconds

35:27

or less will be this we

35:29

will have . Is it gutless

35:31

or cutless ?

35:32

Sure , I think it's cutless

35:34

. I think cutless . Oh it's a cutless , Okay it's

35:37

gotta be cutless , it's a pirate .

35:39

But I guess some pirates are gutless . It might be gutless

35:41

, so who knows ?

35:42

I'll look it up while we're doing it .

35:44

So we're going to do the one cameo which is played by

35:46

Glen Close which

35:48

will be fun .

35:49

Yeah , it is gutless . Yes , gutless , all

35:51

right .

35:53

Toodles played by Arthur Malay

35:55

, moira Banning

35:57

played by Carolyn Goodall , thudbutt

36:00

played by Rush on Hammond

36:02

, and then Maggie Banning

36:05

played by Amber Scott , and Granny Wendy

36:07

played by Maggie Smith . Now listen those

36:09

top two . It's hard to move . Granny

36:11

Wendy , the great Maggie Smith to the 30 seconds

36:13

or less , but in all fairness , she's only in

36:15

the beginning of the movie .

36:16

Right Beginning and end .

36:17

Yeah , yeah , it's we're not

36:19

discrediting her . She's like come on , man .

36:22

And Maggie's important too in the story , but she's also

36:24

again not as high on the hierarchy . There's a

36:26

lot of characters here .

36:27

I'm just saying people are going to be like how come Jack gets to be in

36:29

there and Maggie ?

36:30

doesn't ? Yeah , guys .

36:31

No one chance . Run home , Maggie . Yeah , he

36:33

gets a song and she's adorable

36:35

, but this is really about Peter losing

36:38

his son .

36:38

Yeah .

36:38

Yeah .

36:39

And his daughter is just a byproduct .

36:41

I'm sure he cares about her , but he's really

36:43

fighting for his kid .

36:44

He's sent down yeah .

36:45

Maggie's not as disappointed in her dad yet , right yeah , jack

36:47

is literally in danger of moving to Neverland

36:50

.

36:50

Living with hook , basically yeah .

36:52

So Jack's got a little bit more and it's her boy , charlie

36:54

Cosmos , true , true . So

36:56

, um , all right . So this is

36:59

going to work . I'm just going to speed fire , I'm going to

37:01

say the character name Nick , you're going to go first , you're

37:03

going to give me your pick , and then , ash , you will do it and I will

37:05

just make a really quick decision . Perfect .

37:07

Are you ready ?

37:08

Yes , Do it .

37:10

Let's go , gutless .

37:12

Michael Jackson , oh my

37:14

gosh .

37:17

I can't beat that , john

37:20

Malkovich .

37:22

We're going , michael Jackson , I'm

37:24

glad Michael Jackson loves to put on makeup and

37:26

be other people . Anyway , he does .

37:28

In the , in the thing from the 90s he

37:30

was . He was in like full makeup , that ghost video

37:33

.

37:33

Yeah , people didn't know it for a long time he

37:35

like put on a fat suit and everything it was cool . Yeah

37:37

, yeah . And he was really known

37:39

for wearing disguises in public . So uh

37:41

, toodles .

37:43

Mickey Rooney , bert

37:45

Lancaster .

37:47

Oh , interesting , let's go , bert

37:49

Lancaster . There's

37:51

the part of me that can't stand Mickey Rooney , so

37:54

, um , I'm going to go , bert . I'm going to go , bert . Moira

37:56

Banning .

37:57

Jessica .

37:58

Lanege , Sally

38:00

Field oh

38:02

.

38:03

I can't not pick Sally Field .

38:06

Is this a 30 ?

38:07

seconds or less and she doesn't lose her Oscar . So

38:09

we're fine , we're fine , we're fine . I

38:12

should have preference to 30 seconds or less or not bound to the rules . Sally

38:14

Field keeps her Oscar and she gets to be Moira Banning . She's

38:17

a babe .

38:19

I'm going to go with the way she's been cast , all right

38:21

, all right , all right , but I

38:23

have Leo

38:26

O'Brien from the last dragon , oh

38:28

very nice , a sort of test

38:30

in rule free be here .

38:32

Ll Cool J . Ll

38:34

Cool J .

38:37

Leo O'Brien Leo .

38:38

O'Brien . Yes , I think

38:40

you're both playing dirty . You're just bringing up things .

38:41

Yeah , all right , maggie

38:43

Banning , maggie Banning

38:45

, I'm picking Heather O'Rourke of

38:48

Poltergeist fame . The little girl watching the TV

38:50

saying they're here .

38:52

Very nice , I like that one . Mine Corey is

38:54

Jennifer Connolly , a 14 year old Jennifer Connolly

38:56

.

38:59

She's doing once upon a time in America this year

39:01

.

39:01

Yeah Wait , when was Poltergeist ? I

39:04

just need .

39:05

Poltergeist before this .

39:06

How many years before .

39:07

Poltergeist came out in the year of

39:10

our lord 1982

39:12

. So you've got two years before

39:14

.

39:14

What's her name ?

39:15

Her name is Heather O'Rourke . Is she alive ? She's alive

39:17

at this point .

39:17

She died at this point . Okay , I was just making sure she died Really

39:20

young Okay .

39:20

All right , I'm going to go Heather O'Rourke , lessa

39:23

.

39:26

Then finally Granny Wendy .

39:28

Julia Andrews , oh dang

39:30

.

39:32

Guess what I've gone the same yes

39:35

.

39:35

Julia Andrews Across the pond . High five Everyone's favorite nanny , yes , perfect

39:37

.

39:37

I mean we're going to be on the same page . I'm going to be on the same page . I'm going

39:39

to be on the same page , I'm going to be on the same page . I'm going to be on the same

39:41

page . I'm going to be on the same page . I'm going to be on the same page .

39:43

I'm going to be on the same page . My favorite nanny yes , perfect , I mean , we had

39:45

to , we had to . Once I saw it , I was like , no

39:48

, that's right , that's it . Yeah , yeah

39:50

Same .

39:50

Yeah , forget Maggie Smith . Sorry

39:53

, Maggie All right

39:55

, okay , cool , cool , cool , cool Cool

39:58

. It's

40:01

interesting too . While we're on the subject of Maggie Smith , okay

40:03

, because of this movie , I

40:11

don't have a lot of reference for Maggie Smith until much

40:13

later in life with the Harry Potter movies . Which

40:15

is older yes and it's like , wait , that

40:18

she's from hook and she was 80 and hook . Yeah , but

40:20

then you're like , oh , never mind , they just did great makeup

40:22

on her , all right , so , and

40:24

I guess I should say Dane Maggie Smith , she's been knighted

40:26

.

40:26

Oh , okay , all right , that's good , that's good .

40:30

And then the prayer she recites is from the play

40:33

Peter and Wendy okay . And

40:35

in the original draft of the play . Toodles and Wendy got married

40:38

when they grew up .

40:38

I saw that . That's interesting , that's right .

40:40

You're wondering who toodles is and

40:42

what's his relate . Why is he still in this home ?

40:44

And it's just because he's , he's , he's too old

40:47

and Maggie and Lady Wendy doesn't want to

40:49

put him in a home .

40:49

Yeah that's kind of what it is , you

40:53

know , because that would really hurt Peter

40:55

.

40:55

Listen , she never got over Peter Corey , clearly

40:58

ever as a . That's

41:01

true , which is really a

41:03

weird kind of there's a lot of weird concepts

41:05

, like you

41:07

kind of figure out like oh dude , the old lady had the hots

41:09

for Peter still had the hots for him . Yeah

41:12

, I think yeah and he married her granddaughter

41:14

. We're

41:21

saving space for the fact that it probably has

41:24

happened , but probably has happened

41:26

.

41:29

This is what happens when you watch elder .

41:31

All right , all right . So now here's our . We

41:33

have six rolls in our

41:35

main cast here , which we'll give a little bit more conversation

41:38

to right , and we're gonna

41:40

start out as follows , in the order We'll

41:42

cast them we have Smee , got it we

41:44

have Rufio . Mm-hmm , we have tinkerbell

41:47

. Obviously , jack banning Captain

41:50

James Hook and of course Peter

41:52

Pan slash Peter banning , so

41:55

we're gonna start with Smee . Okay , I

41:57

mean captain .

41:59

That is the point . That

42:01

is the ultimate revenge

42:03

. Pains , kids in love

42:06

with hook . What are you getting off out ? It's

42:08

the ultimate paper . What is it made

42:10

in pain it's posted when he faces you

42:12

, face me , these kids standing

42:14

beside you , ready to fight for

42:16

the sleaziest sleaze of the seven seas

42:19

. Captain James , oh , okay .

42:20

Excellent . We played by Bob Hoskins . Yes of

42:23

Mario .

42:26

Who frame Roger Rabbit ?

42:31

He was in Snow White , the husband Long Good Friday . Bob

42:33

Hoskins has had an incredible career

42:36

, also recently past just last

42:38

few years .

42:38

He did yeah , yeah , that was a big one .

42:40

That was rough , but

42:42

Hoskins would alleviate stress on set by singing

42:45

various versions of Lionel Richie hit Hello

42:47

lovely , including the lyrics Hello , is

42:49

it Smee you're looking for ?

42:51

he was ahead of his time oh .

42:56

My gosh reprised his role in Neverland

42:58

mini series in 2011 and

43:01

then brought beer for 300 plus extras

43:03

after a lengthy and complicated scene was cut

43:05

a man of the people . That's kind of cool

43:07

. Yeah , it's like everyone does this really hard

43:09

scene in this field , where it comes in goes . You know what I've done fit the movie

43:11

. It's like so

43:15

, and then uh

43:17

, smee , he , smee

43:19

is , he is . I don't know if he's the first

43:21

mate basically , I okay you

43:25

got to wonder why Captain Hook made an idiot

43:27

his first mate .

43:28

Yeah , but oh my gosh .

43:30

Hoskins is so good in this , um pretty

43:32

soft , solid at softball .

43:33

Yes , I mean , I mean

43:35

change up . He really does .

43:37

Yeah , it's . I mean it's weird that the Pirates play so much softball

43:40

. But yeah anything

43:42

the Nick

43:45

. I'm guessing you're asking this question . You think the Lost

43:47

Boys and Pirates have an annual baseball game

43:49

now ?

43:50

I mean they built the stadium like it's . They

43:52

got the uniforms now like they're all friends

43:54

, probably now .

43:54

It's like a Neverland charity of it . It

43:59

just ends in violence every year .

44:01

That's how they keep it . That's how they keep fighting

44:03

. Still , it's like alright , we're at the baseball game , we're gonna win

44:06

this year .

44:06

I like it . I like it . It's just like a peaceful way

44:08

to hold disputes . Yeah , you know indigenous

44:11

tribes did that it's like instead of war and

44:13

killing each other , let's play stickball .

44:14

Yeah , exactly .

44:15

It's like that's a way better plan and

44:18

like I might not die and the chances

44:20

now , you still could die stealing seconds .

44:22

It's true .

44:22

It's true , the

44:25

pirate baseball is dangerous . Um

44:27

, bad form . Oh

44:29

my gosh , I need to start saying bad form at people

44:31

.

44:32

I just in the office .

44:37

All right , so first me we're looking for

44:39

, I mean a really solid character

44:41

actor , that's just , I mean charisma out the

44:43

out the , it's true . It's almost seen stealing

44:45

. You're almost like Bob Hoskins Do too much Because

44:48

it's so good . All right , I

44:51

Let Nick go first at the bottom , so

44:53

, ash , you can go first here , I'm a good

44:55

man , gosh .

44:56

Thank you very much . That's very kind of you , I think . All

44:59

right , all right , I'm gonna give this

45:01

a go , okay

45:03

. So yeah , like you said , I

45:05

think Bob Hoskins is Perfect in

45:07

this role in you've you you've described

45:09

him perfectly seen stealer ? Um , I

45:12

realized he was 49 when you played him . And

45:14

I've casted someone who , at the time in 1984

45:16

, is gonna be 34 . So I've taken it down a bit , but

45:19

I don't think that changes who I've

45:21

casted and I've wanted a bit of

45:23

80s blood in this . So I've casted

45:25

John Candy . John

45:27

Candy , I wanted 80s blood

45:30

in an 80s movie . He's a free agent

45:32

at the moment . Um , I think he's just done

45:34

national lampoon and stripes and I think splash

45:36

was his last movie . Didn't do it , I don't

45:38

think . I think he did a music video for the Ghostbusters

45:40

this year , which I don't think counts , but this is before planes

45:42

, trains and automobiles and call runnings

45:45

, and you know , uncle Buck . But you

45:47

say character actor , your character actor . I mean the

45:49

scene in Home Alone . I mean I remember John Candy and he's in

45:51

it for less than five minutes . Yeah , yeah

45:53

, he could maybe be up for the challenge here and I think

45:55

he will over deliver as me .

45:57

So yeah , I give you a very it'll

46:00

be a very lovable Smee . Like Bob Hoskins

46:02

still had a bit of an edge to him . I think John Candy

46:04

would bring a little more of of the

46:06

his a brand of , yeah

46:08

, softer kind of .

46:10

Yeah kind of thing going on and I always like

46:12

that cameo at the end , you know , when they return back

46:14

to the London and then he's there like cleaning the fountains

46:17

. That always . Me for some reason like a very

46:19

like teary moment . I don't know why it just does .

46:21

I like that little Connection it just kind of

46:23

adds a little element of like was it all a dream

46:25

?

46:25

Yeah , yeah , that question mark . Yeah , for sure

46:27

, yeah .

46:29

All right , I can put

46:32

my mind around it . It's a bigger Smee . Yes

46:35

, a lovable Smee . Not

46:38

sure how I feel about a John Candy heel turn , but I can

46:40

maybe wrap my mind around it .

46:41

It's a likeable heel turn .

46:43

He's not like the full-on villain , you know yeah

46:45

, but it's like , is he just the kids ? At the end , maybe

46:48

it's just gonna turn on hook .

46:50

I mean , what else is he gonna do at that point ?

46:52

All right , I'm not

46:54

against it . I'm not against it . I'm a massive John

46:56

Candy fan , so I like

46:58

to give him work where I can with my podcast

47:01

. It's me what

47:03

you got .

47:04

Okay , I didn't . I went for someone know

47:06

, notably smaller , probably

47:09

one of the ones that you might think of

47:11

once you go through the list of 84 , but I'm gonna bring

47:13

you Danny DeVito Corey . He is

47:15

in Romancing the Stone this year . While

47:18

it's a slightly sizable role in

47:20

that movie , I do feel like it

47:22

was just kind of comparing going . Okay , romancing

47:24

the Stone was successful . It was fun . He clearly

47:26

had a good time doing it . But if you get a

47:28

chance to be Smee versus like this , I

47:31

feel like you're gonna go for Smee if you . If you were to ask

47:33

me , which one do you want ? Both will probably be successful . I'm like

47:36

that . One Smee , please . So

47:38

I just think Danny DeVito speaks for himself before . Even

47:40

you know what you're getting with him . He's just , he's

47:42

a rambunctious Tasmanian

47:44

devil of a man and I think he'll just be

47:46

a lot of fun with our captain hook on set

47:48

as well .

47:50

I like that pig Interesting

47:53

.

47:55

Hmm . I think you'll

47:57

play this weird way . You get Ash

47:59

gives me this out of the box . John Candy

48:01

may require some rewrites

48:03

from the hero by the end

48:06

. And then Nick gave me an

48:08

on the nose . I did kind

48:10

of one , I did . I got to take him out of a pretty

48:12

big movie . It's pretty big

48:14

to his crew at the time .

48:16

But also an equally big movie .

48:18

Would that make Danny DeVito the most casted

48:20

person on this podcast ?

48:21

You'd be up there . He's , he's , he's now in

48:23

our five times club .

48:24

That's what I'm saying . He's on our five times club .

48:26

I don't think he's caught . I don't think he's caught up with cage

48:28

yet .

48:28

So cage is in the lead at the moment .

48:30

What's cage doing in 84 , being

48:33

a young ?

48:34

20 something .

48:35

He was going to be in my Glenn Close role

48:37

but I changed him last minute to John Malcolm .

48:40

I feel like he'd be a good SME Now

48:43

you're going way against type here .

48:45

All right Cage can do anything , you're

48:48

not wrong .

48:50

So all right

48:52

.

48:55

I just , oh my gosh , I have the guts to go with candy

48:57

.

48:57

But I don't know if I want Danny DeVito to be

49:00

so important to this podcast

49:02

.

49:02

It's to .

49:03

he already is Corey I hate it

49:05

though , because I don't let that influence your decision

49:07

. I love my cousin Jesse , who

49:09

loves him . I

49:16

just I don't want to give him a five . I'm just gonna go . Danny DeVito

49:18

, keep

49:20

it , keep it in the box for now .

49:22

Okay , all right . All right , we

49:25

can live to get further down the line .

49:27

Okay , oh my God , it

49:29

was kind of tough . All right , I hope the rest are not

49:31

that bad , which brings us to the

49:37

end of the show .

49:44

Mr Stunkhead , with too much moose , you are just a punk kid . I want

49:46

to speak to a grown up all through

49:48

all those appliance . Excuse me .

49:54

My favorite character .

49:55

Oh , oh , by far , I'm sure , yeah

49:57

.

49:57

Take the movie I play .

50:00

For those of you wondering yes , In our

50:02

indie film .

50:03

That was that we made about our last video

50:05

podcast feature . I

50:09

play Rufio in a scene and

50:12

played by Dante Bosco , who's

50:15

had some really fun likes like he's done

50:17

some like internet stuff lately where , like he's

50:19

kind of poking fun back at playing Rufio .

50:21

Yeah , which has been fun . He's had a great voice

50:23

acting career too .

50:24

Yes , Avatar , the last airbender TV

50:26

, a goofy movie but I'm a cheerleader

50:28

. American Dragon Jake Watt . He's had a very like

50:30

. He kind of fell out of that and more

50:33

went more to voice acting .

50:34

Yeah .

50:34

Yeah , which that is not a slight voice

50:36

. Acting is hard , so the

50:39

word bang or rain is actually Jamaican slang for

50:41

uproar , disorder or disturbance

50:44

. Dante Bosco revealed in an interview

50:46

that at first he was very intimidated by Dustin

50:48

Hoffman , who has a reputation for being a big method actor . Reportedly

50:51

, hoffman would antagonize Bosco offscreen

50:53

to get into characters . Captain Hook and Rufio

50:55

were nemesis . Bosco's acting coach just

50:57

assured him that Hoffman had a bad reputation for being that

50:59

way and wasn't intentionally trying to be mean or hurt the young

51:01

actor .

51:02

Just feel like you're being drawn by Dustin Hoffman

51:04

.

51:06

You're a new actor , you come in and there's just like this titan

51:08

of acting , just like crap the whole time . You're just

51:10

like oh , this sucks .

51:12

But I did see that during breaks like Bosco

51:14

, that he watched Midnight Cowboy and

51:16

stuff and he would ask Hoffman questions and apparently

51:19

they had a bunch of times and he would just kind of talk

51:21

about his experiences and stuff off and on screen and

51:23

so that was a big part of

51:25

Dante's whole experience with Hook

51:28

was getting to spend that time with him .

51:29

Yeah , like you did up , like he like ended up earning Hoffman's

51:31

respect .

51:32

Yeah , like Hoffman's like , oh you're not a child

51:35

actor , you care oh

51:37

?

51:37

okay , come over here , buddy . But

51:41

, the names of the original Lost Boys . Slightly

51:43

, slightly curly nibs , toodles

51:45

and twins appear on the door to Wendy's house .

51:48

So they're there . So there's no newties there . Yeah , attention

51:50

to detail , guys . That's what's great about this .

51:52

Yeah .

51:52

I know .

51:54

Rufio is the leader of the Lost Boys , he's kind

51:56

of taken the role of Peter Pan .

51:58

Peter Pan left Neverland , grew up , sold

52:00

out , got a real job , had kids

52:03

responsibilities . Rufio takes over . And

52:05

in a weird way , it's like , while Disney's

52:08

just destroying everything that we

52:10

love , just give me a Rufio prequel movie . Give

52:12

me the movie where Rufio takes over .

52:14

Or they're just yeah , they're just being Lost Boys fighting the

52:16

fight .

52:18

Yeah , that's like the movie where Pan leaves in

52:20

the first like 20 minutes

52:22

and Rufio's got to step up . Okay , I want to

52:24

know where the tattered leather red

52:26

pants and give me all the stuff I want , all the lore

52:28

. Rufio's a great character

52:31

, he is , he's fun , and Dante

52:33

Bosco plays it like because he's antagonistic

52:35

, he's mean , he's the Peter Pan , it's the guy

52:37

where this dude's come back .

52:39

But he's got to like kind of earn Rufio's respect

52:41

to get everyone else's respect , yeah

52:43

, and then , like it's an emotional ending , it

52:46

like builds up to where we really

52:48

care about Rufio , which is really impressive considering

52:50

that this is such a giant property , yeah

52:52

and that you introduce a brand new character and

52:54

you make us care about him . Oh yeah , because

52:57

that doesn't happen all the time , as we've come to see in movies

52:59

in decades .

53:00

After this Not successfully as well . Yeah

53:02

, for sure , yeah .

53:03

It's a big deal if you make me care about

53:06

a character more than Captain Hook .

53:07

Right and .

53:08

I like Rufio in this movie more than all the

53:10

other characters , so yeah for sure , all right . So

53:12

, guys , this is a big one , do not screw

53:14

this up . I'm not kidding

53:17

, do not screw this

53:19

up .

53:20

Oh man .

53:22

Nick , you made it . I did Give me your Rufio

53:24

, okay .

53:26

Michael Jackson is 10 years too old for this and

53:29

Prince is 10 years old and doing Purple

53:31

Rain , so my dream cast are

53:33

both out of the way . But

53:36

, corey , I'm going to give you somebody and again , this is

53:38

our flex rule with the child teen

53:40

actors , so I'm going to give you somebody

53:42

that their first roles were in 86

53:45

on TV shows Better Days and Hill Street Blues . I'm

53:47

going to give you a young Cuba Gooding Jr

53:49

, or Cuba Gooding

53:52

Jr . I think that if

53:54

you think about also Jerry Maguire , like his over

53:56

the top this and showmanship as the football player in

53:58

that , on top of just his general acting

54:00

ability , I think that a young Cuba Gooding

54:02

Jr would be a lot of fun in this role .

54:06

I'm not real familiar with young Cuba . I

54:08

mean , it's just like the youngest Cuba , I know

54:10

, is boys in the hood .

54:12

Right , just imagine that

54:14

, okay , a little bit younger .

54:15

Okay .

54:16

All right , with an attitude , with

54:18

an edge with his , with his Jerry Maguire edge

54:21

, corey , show me the funny

54:23

.

54:23

Yeah , all right , I'm going to try and wrap

54:25

my mind around that while Ash sell

54:29

me .

54:30

All right , I'm going to go again . Take two . I've

54:33

actually somehow stayed within the rules . I

54:37

was tempted to exploit 3B

54:40

, but now I've stayed within boundaries . So

54:42

they're roughly the same age . He's actually just two years

54:45

younger than the actual Dante Vasco Again

54:48

another actor gone too soon . So I kind

54:50

of wanted to give him some screen time and I love his performance

54:52

in like my improv Idaho

54:54

and he's got that edge and I have changed the

54:57

character a little bit . And his debut film , debut

54:59

role was in 1982 , seven

55:01

brides for seven brothers , in a couple of TV shows before

55:03

and I don't think he's done any movies before

55:05

84 , but this would be his first if he does . I'm

55:08

giving you whacking Phoenix's younger

55:10

brother , or older brother , I should say River Phoenix

55:12

. We may know him

55:14

as ironically

55:16

young indie in another steep Spielberg film , last

55:18

Crusade . Yeah

55:21

, I'm unfortunately died outside Johnny Depp's nightclub

55:23

but we didn't see enough of him and

55:25

the stuff that we did saw kind of the Heath Ledger

55:27

of the 80s or 90s . For me there was so

55:29

much potential there it was just coming to bloom and got

55:32

cut short and I really did want to have that

55:34

sort of . He had that talent

55:36

at that age , I think at 14 years old . You could see that

55:38

in the TV shows that he was in in 82 and 83

55:40

. So I'm giving you River Phoenix .

55:42

Okay , cool , that's

55:44

such a good comparison . The Ledger Phoenix

55:46

, yeah . I've never really thought much about it . I mean , we obviously got

55:48

a way bigger sample size out of Ledger , but

55:51

still it is . It's like that weird

55:54

unappreciated Titan that died right when

55:56

everyone was starting to come around .

55:58

Oh , this guy's good .

56:00

When he died . Yeah

56:02

, all right , and they both obviously love to

56:04

do more indie stuff than yeah

56:06

, yeah . All right , okay , I'm

56:11

really tempted to go early

56:13

on my override .

56:15

Oh , oh , oh , we did it .

56:18

It's like I don't know . I

56:20

don't know what makes us feel better . Is that a

56:23

we force Courtney to pull his draw , or that he doesn't

56:25

like either of our picks and we

56:28

get piece of hands .

56:28

That's fine .

56:30

I mean , I , the way I always do this as a director

56:32

, I have like three overrides ready to

56:34

go for characters I really care about .

56:36

Yeah , or .

56:36

I think are important . I

56:39

got a hook in my back pocket and I got a Peter Pan

56:41

in my back pocket , just in case .

56:43

Okay .

56:45

Because you guys could totally blow it up top and

56:47

we need those actors to slap .

56:49

It's possible , but I love it . It could happen .

56:51

Here's the thing Again , Cuba getting junior

56:53

. I just don't know what he's like as

56:55

a teenager . Again , it's hard

56:57

for me to think of them past boys

56:59

in the hood .

57:01

You know , young , dumb , impressionable

57:03

, I get it and he

57:05

was just doing TV . Yeah , and 86

57:08

is when he gets his start , so this is about two years before

57:10

we would see him .

57:10

See , and then River Phoenix is like

57:13

massive talent , but

57:15

he does stand by me three years later and

57:17

he looks 12 . Right , so

57:20

it's like what do you look like in 84 ? I

57:22

think just kind of a run , and

57:26

so I'm tempted to go with

57:28

a guy I got .

57:29

Okay , mm hmm .

57:32

That I'd be pulling out of one of the most important

57:34

films to me , but he's playing

57:36

a high schooler .

57:37

Okay .

57:39

I'm going to override here and put Johnny Depp in .

57:42

What .

57:45

Oh my God . 21

57:47

. Jump . Street himself . He's

57:50

21 , but he plays high schoolers

57:52

for the next five years .

57:53

Right , it's true , he's got that baby face . So

57:56

we're just going to get a slightly older maybe , maybe also

57:58

pushing lost boys terminology

58:01

. But we're pulling him out

58:03

of a nightmare on Elm Street I

58:06

mean listen

58:08

it's the same thing , I was arguing with Danny DeVito

58:10

, which is like , yeah , that's a big movie , Like

58:12

, but like that's him getting by

58:14

that . Yeah , that's him getting attention there

58:16

versus him actually playing a bigger

58:18

role with actual character substance here and that's the

58:20

thing I think .

58:21

honestly , if this was like 85 or past

58:24

, once put to happens , I wouldn't

58:26

do it . But since all we know from him

58:28

from now is like one sex comedy

58:30

, like , club paradise or that and

58:32

then nightmare on Elm Street

58:34

, in which he has a young sounding voice his

58:36

base hasn't come in yet . I think like

58:39

he's just going to play that rebellion like

58:41

rebellious teen do the crow and

58:43

Rufio does seem older than all the other boys

58:45

.

58:45

Yeah , he's pushing , he's got more dominance yeah

58:48

.

58:48

Like he's almost going to age out if he leaves for a year

58:50

, right ? Yeah , they're really like the real world and

58:52

grows up one more year . They're not going to let him back in yeah , sorry

58:54

, these are rules . I'm going to . I

58:56

didn't hate your choices , I just . It's Rufio

58:59

.

59:01

I'm are you happy ? Or taken him out of Nightmare

59:03

on Elm Street Because you love that film ?

59:04

No , it's hard , it's hard yeah

59:07

.

59:07

We kill some dollars .

59:07

We're giving him a bigger role here in Hook .

59:09

Right and I think we're going to cry at the end

59:11

.

59:12

Oh yeah , oh yeah Hard .

59:13

Yeah , so um all right

59:16

, all right , tinkerbell .

59:18

Pan Pan . However

59:21

you are , it's still you , because only

59:23

one person has that smell Smell

59:25

.

59:26

The smell of someone who's ridden the back of the wind .

59:28

Peter , the smell of a hundred fun summers

59:31

of sleeping in trees , adventures with in-hands

59:33

and pirates , oh remember .

59:35

Peter , the world was ours . We could do everything or nothing

59:37

.

59:38

All .

59:38

I had to be was anything , because it was always us

59:40

.

59:42

Just wildest , because , as far as I know

59:44

, she was really horrible to work with

59:47

. Well , if you think about it .

59:48

She is the one that had to work on the green screen

59:50

by herself on like a stage video . Well

59:52

, everyone else is getting to have fun with Robin Williams on

59:54

set .

59:55

Everyone else is in Neverland playing bass .

59:57

Exactly , she can hear their laughter in the same

59:59

next door .

1:00:00

I'm not gonna get out the box .

1:00:02

But yeah , I dubbed her the nickname Tinker Hill because apparently

1:00:05

she was difficult to deal with . But given

1:00:07

that that was probably one of the first existence

1:00:09

moments of green screen for big actors , yeah

1:00:12

, I mean , yes , probably after never having to deal with that , they don't have that .

1:00:14

You know now it's just like if you're going to be an actor , just understand that you may be

1:00:16

working in . I mean , just think about Avengers

1:00:19

and you see all the behind the scenes footage and it's like the

1:00:21

biggest moments .

1:00:22

Yeah .

1:00:23

It's like Iron . Man's death and the Avengers assemble and so

1:00:25

you see the behinds like , oh , they're standing in a green room , yeah

1:00:28

.

1:00:28

And you're like I kind of appreciate acting now .

1:00:30

They're having to really go there , create

1:00:32

everything around them and like that's

1:00:35

wild to me , but yeah , played by Julia Roberts , who's

1:00:37

just become America's sweetheart in 1991

1:00:40

. Pretty woman won an Oscar for Aaron Brockovich . She's

1:00:42

in my best friend's wedding , notting Hill Ocean's 11

1:00:44

. Nick , you did not write down Steel Magnolia's

1:00:47

.

1:00:47

How Dare you Excuse me ?

1:00:49

Which was one of the best movies ever made . But

1:00:52

yeah , one exchange of dialogue . Writer Cohen

1:00:54

credits to Carrie Fisher are

1:00:56

the lines when Tinkerbell says you know that

1:00:58

place between sleep and awake , that place where you still

1:01:00

remember dreaming , that's where I'll always love you

1:01:02

, that's where I'll always be waiting . Carrie Fisher

1:01:04

can write .

1:01:05

Yeah , man , she's doctored so many scripts

1:01:07

apparently . Yeah , that was her , oh yeah .

1:01:11

She's a big writer because she was like a recurring character on 30 .

1:01:13

Rock .

1:01:13

Tina Fey won the like capture that

1:01:15

Carrie Fisher was a writer like Tina

1:01:17

Fey Okay . Yeah

1:01:21

, but apparently Julie Roberts almost put the production

1:01:23

in a jeopardy when she fled California after her

1:01:25

wedding to Kiefer Sutherland was called off . She

1:01:28

was making a book and that went down .

1:01:31

She did herself no favors with the Tinker Hill moniker

1:01:33

yeah .

1:01:37

She ran away with Jason Patrick as well .

1:01:39

Yes , with his Lost Boys co-star . That

1:01:41

was crazy . She was thinking about

1:01:43

the taint she put on that movie by acting

1:01:46

a fool like that . Run off

1:01:48

with someone else , not as a boy from Lost Boys

1:01:50

, oh my gosh .

1:01:52

And then they made the film Run Away , bride .

1:01:53

Yeah , steven Spielberg essentially had to threaten

1:01:55

a fire , so but

1:02:00

yeah .

1:02:00

And then the other other piece of thing I want to throw

1:02:02

out there is yeah , she had like a . They gave her the teddy

1:02:04

bear from Captain Hook's cabin when she had to checked

1:02:07

in the hospital for nervous exhaustion , but

1:02:09

then Spielberg realized that they were using

1:02:11

that seat . They're going to shoot that scene the next day , so they had

1:02:13

to rustle up a lookalike in a few hours

1:02:15

. Oh my . God , I should

1:02:18

have gone to the hospital like

1:02:20

I just need it for today . You'll

1:02:22

be fine tomorrow .

1:02:23

All right , well , okay , so

1:02:25

we're looking for a very sassy

1:02:27

, sassy actress here , because

1:02:30

that's Tinker Bell . She's all sassy . Yeah

1:02:32

, I really don't . I've read

1:02:34

Peter Pan . I can't recall much , but I feel like

1:02:36

Tinker Bell is mainly based off the Disney version

1:02:38

and all feature iterations yeah , yeah . It's

1:02:41

very kind of aggressively mean protective of Peter Pan . Might

1:02:44

kind of love Peter Pan , yeah . I

1:02:47

mean I know that we see Peter Pan as a kid , but I didn't

1:02:49

think he looked that good to have like Wendy

1:02:52

.

1:02:52

How dare you say that about Dustin Hoffman's son ?

1:02:55

You know Tinker Bell married

1:02:57

kind of above his station , moira .

1:02:59

Listen , he was just a player . The more . The

1:03:01

more you read about Peter Pan , the more you look

1:03:04

at it from another perspective , the more you realize he's kind

1:03:06

of a dick as a kid oh yeah .

1:03:07

Yeah , yeah .

1:03:08

A little bit .

1:03:09

Yeah , I get it , I

1:03:11

get it All right . So

1:03:15

I will choose Tinker Bell , but

1:03:19

I guess Nick will keep it with you , since you made the one before

1:03:21

.

1:03:22

Okay , I kind of kept the same

1:03:24

mindset of like younger kind of person on . Like

1:03:26

Julia Roberts was big on the scene at that moment , so

1:03:28

I was pulling somebody that also had just

1:03:30

kind of blown up and so I'm giving you

1:03:32

young Demi Moore , corey . This

1:03:34

year she's doing General Hospital

1:03:37

, blame and Arrio bedrooms , a TV movie

1:03:39

, the master TV show , but the main one was

1:03:41

this no small fare movie . It's just kind

1:03:43

of like one of those lost 80s kind

1:03:46

of comedy coming of age stories .

1:03:48

Okay , but I think she called no

1:03:50

small affair .

1:03:51

I think I've seen it .

1:03:53

It's okay , no-transcript

1:03:55

.

1:03:56

But yeah , I think she just has .

1:03:57

You think about a saint , almost fire . How she wasn't

1:03:59

there , what she was kind of fiery in there as well . So

1:04:01

I think she just leans into this really well too

1:04:03

. And and she can pull off the haircut .

1:04:06

Oh yeah , she can yeah , she can Smooth

1:04:10

frigging saint almost fire into it . It's a good move .

1:04:12

You see , like you see what I did there small , that's

1:04:14

gonna move , good move .

1:04:15

All right , ash

1:04:17

. Hello , the before is

1:04:19

on Nick dug into the rat

1:04:21

pack . I did yeah , the brat pack

1:04:24

, but that's okay .

1:04:25

Hmm , yeah , I like what you did then , nick , very , very sneaky

1:04:27

. Fortunately for

1:04:29

you , I've also done the same thing as well , but I've gone somewhere

1:04:31

else . I'm playing to the heartstrings of

1:04:34

Corey . I've delved into source

1:04:36

of the brat pack I was . This

1:04:38

is this is my issue of think about . I needed someone

1:04:40

who had a good smile , like Julie Roberts . I didn't want

1:04:42

them to be too sexy to

1:04:44

be distracted , but I wanted that sort of you know , like

1:04:46

sass , the attitude , but also just that smile just

1:04:48

knocks you out , and Julie just has

1:04:50

that all the time . So I wanted someone with a good smile

1:04:52

, like a great smile , not saying Demi

1:04:55

doesn't have it , but this person for me always

1:04:57

has a good smile and for me I'm picking also

1:05:00

in San Elmos fire , andy McDowell

1:05:02

.

1:05:07

Also bringing , say no , most fire into it

1:05:09

. Classically then , dale .

1:05:11

It's just her smile reminds me of Julia's

1:05:13

and she's got great legs and I

1:05:15

have that's . That's enough

1:05:18

. In Hudson Hawk , if you see in that film , she's got some serious

1:05:20

attitude on that film . I just need to kill this

1:05:22

scene . So yeah , I brought two

1:05:25

, I guess it's to . So now most fire , which is 85

1:05:27

. I think the year after this .

1:05:29

So yeah , and what

1:05:31

does she do ? She just started in gray stroke

1:05:33

Jane in the .

1:05:35

Tarzan 84 , so we've taken her out

1:05:37

of her debut film . So the only bad

1:05:39

thing about her is she's not established yet

1:05:41

.

1:05:42

She's not a name yet course now .

1:05:43

We're Christopher Lambert Tarzan movie

1:05:45

, all right .

1:05:46

Yeah , great

1:05:48

film .

1:05:52

Okay , all right , Huh

1:05:54

, okay . Y'all both played pretty strong here . I Should

1:05:57

admit that I literally considered

1:05:59

how much I like 16 candles and thought about

1:06:01

having an override here with Molly Ringwald .

1:06:03

I don't know why it can't be a teenager like

1:06:05

that to your bill .

1:06:06

Okay .

1:06:07

I would say that would help because if you think , if you think about the logics

1:06:09

of it , if she's in love with Peter Pan , she should be

1:06:11

younger , like at least from from our

1:06:13

perspective . Yeah , I'm just saying I

1:06:16

considered it , but I like 16 candles works

1:06:18

better when In the hook , when

1:06:20

she's an adult , when Tinkerbell becomes

1:06:22

a human and kisses Peter . So it's

1:06:24

not weird like if you , if ?

1:06:26

you have an adult Peter .

1:06:27

Pan and a teenage yeah .

1:06:40

I just since Molly Ringwald listens to this podcast

1:06:43

. I just want to know . I think she'd be a perfect Tinkerbell .

1:06:45

Oh I .

1:06:48

You know I'm gonna go , andy

1:06:50

McDowell . I

1:06:52

am and I think it's just because I Think

1:06:56

Demi's a little too . Julia Roberts .

1:06:58

You think she's a little too big for her britches ? I think so little

1:07:00

too much pixie dust going on there .

1:07:01

Oh , too much , yeah I think I need any

1:07:03

McDowell here . I like it .

1:07:05

You want a sweetheart .

1:07:06

I didn't even think any McDowell .

1:07:08

But no , I'm in you're

1:07:10

on the board , ash Dale .

1:07:11

Beiberman from say no , it was fire

1:07:13

all of us .

1:07:14

I've got one on the board . We're good , that's

1:07:17

not gonna be .

1:07:17

Yeah , yeah , we're all collectively

1:07:19

. Let's just end it here .

1:07:23

We have three more .

1:07:26

All right . Well , that just brings us to Jack banning

1:07:28

.

1:07:36

For never letting me jump on my own bed . We're

1:07:43

always making promises I'm breaking

1:07:45

up .

1:07:47

I'd love

1:07:49

to see what y'all did here , because it is a child actor up

1:07:51

top . Yeah , try . Played

1:07:54

by Charlie Coursmo . Nick

1:07:57

, you didn't write down Charlie Coursmo's credit

1:07:59

.

1:07:59

I do it's . Oh , you did Hardly

1:08:03

wait , right ? Yes , his glorifying

1:08:06

moment .

1:08:07

Charlie Coursmo and can't hardly wait is incredible

1:08:10

. And just on the subject

1:08:12

of , I Didn't realize it was

1:08:14

the kid from hook until by like the third time I

1:08:16

watched . Can't hardly wait . Yeah , I was like , oh

1:08:18

my gosh , that's the kid from buck , so

1:08:20

all right , that's gonna come

1:08:22

up a lot in this episode . Joseph Mazzello

1:08:25

was once considered for the role of Jack but was turned down

1:08:27

, being too young for the role . At the time , steven

1:08:29

Spielberg promised him a role in a future product movie

1:08:31

, jurassic Park 1993 .

1:08:33

Is Dr Hammons grandson Tim imagine

1:08:35

getting prom like sorry , you didn't make my movie , but I'll put you

1:08:37

in the next one . And it's , but it turns out to be Jurassic

1:08:40

Park .

1:08:41

Oh , my kid was upset like dinosaurs . That's stupid

1:08:43

like pirates . All right , jack

1:08:46

was the name of one of the boys for whom author

1:08:49

Sir Jay and Barry wrote Peter Pan and

1:08:51

later of whom became the adopted father

1:08:53

. The five boys were George , jack , nicholas , peter

1:08:55

and Michael Davies . So

1:08:57

that's sweet

1:09:00

. But yeah , charlie Coursmo

1:09:02

, he is weirdly an incredible kid actor

1:09:04

. He just , you know , was

1:09:07

smart and didn't stay Like

1:09:09

, became like that , went to Harvard .

1:09:11

Yeah , it came like I'm visor

1:09:13

. I'm too smart for this guy .

1:09:14

Yeah , he's just like I'm way too smart to be an actor . He's

1:09:17

like a really well accomplished like political

1:09:20

advisor or something like that . I don't it's greatly

1:09:22

. Okay , all right

1:09:24

. So I need a talented kid

1:09:27

with that's gonna really be able to sell me on

1:09:29

daddy issues . Yes

1:09:31

like , and he's so damaged that he's willing to

1:09:33

let a pirate become a stand .

1:09:36

Hmm , so I think Ash made

1:09:38

it , so he's , he gets go the ass .

1:09:40

You're up getting your jack banning .

1:09:42

All right , okay , yeah , so once

1:09:44

again , I haven't exploited

1:09:46

rule 3b yet , so

1:09:48

he's technically within boundaries . You'll

1:09:50

know this name . Actually , he continues to do

1:09:52

films , which is quite rare for child

1:09:54

actors to be , so he's done no very

1:09:57

young , charlie Coursmo . Yeah , yeah

1:09:59

, he was that , but he's ten years old , said this

1:10:01

guy . I believe Charlie was 13

1:10:04

, so there will be a bit of a difference , but it

1:10:06

might work in his favor . His debut film

1:10:08

Was a film called Hotel New

1:10:10

Hampshire and I'm gonna give you Seth Green

1:10:13

, who you probably will know from

1:10:15

Family Guy without a paddle , the

1:10:17

Interestingly wacky Italian

1:10:19

job guy . Yeah , so if you

1:10:21

can't , hardly wait , yeah . Yes

1:10:25

, yes , there we go , there we go . Um

1:10:27

, there's a film called Hotel New Hampshire

1:10:29

in 84 which he's in , and he actually looks

1:10:32

kind of similar to Jack In

1:10:34

a good way , because you know , he never got his growth

1:10:36

spurt when he was a teenager , but he's probably

1:10:39

at his tallest when he's ten years old

1:10:41

, so he still got that that

1:10:43

sort of come into the 1415 era

1:10:46

. But , yeah , I'm crazy , I'm gonna have . Mr

1:10:48

Merlin Was an actor in

1:10:50

a few roles just before 84 , but yeah , I'm very

1:10:52

established now in terms of rom-com

1:10:55

films without paddle . That's another one as well

1:10:57

. That's personal favorite of mine . The Italian

1:10:59

job . Yeah , I bring Seth Green to the table

1:11:01

.

1:11:02

Nice .

1:11:05

All I can think about Seth Green and Austin Powers Green

1:11:14

, awesome powers is .

1:11:16

Art of .

1:11:17

Jack banning . I hate my father , but also my father's

1:11:19

evil .

1:11:20

Yeah .

1:11:25

Okay can't catch a break oh

1:11:28

my gosh .

1:11:29

Okay , Nick Seth Green is on the board

1:11:31

. It's on the board . At first I don't know how I feel about it , but now I've

1:11:33

kind of like almost sold myself .

1:11:37

I was tempted to play dirty and throw

1:11:39

you one of the quarries , oh oh , but

1:11:42

I think I found some of that . Personally

1:11:44

, I think we'll play this role better , but

1:11:47

I'm gonna give you Henry Thomas from

1:11:49

ET himself the original , the main

1:11:51

character kid from ET in 82

1:11:53

. He's 13 years of age right now

1:11:55

doing Cloak

1:11:57

and dagger and misunderstood Arthur show

1:12:00

movies that he's in . So nothing of major

1:12:02

. No , reading

1:12:04

Corey's face to see if he actually cares about these

1:12:06

shows .

1:12:09

Listen .

1:12:10

Hames in firstborn and Corey Feldman

1:12:12

is in Friday , your favorite , friday the 13th

1:12:14

or one of your favorites .

1:12:15

Oh yeah , you can't pull Felman now . So a final

1:12:17

chapter .

1:12:17

Now I'm gonna give you the other guy , the other

1:12:19

, the other kids Spielberg likes to work with and they

1:12:22

get around to in this one .

1:12:25

I mean I do Hi

1:12:27

, Cloak and dagger , but it's not like it's just a good

1:12:29

movie . It's not like my heat's integral

1:12:31

to it .

1:12:31

No , he's the star . Oh

1:12:34

is he ?

1:12:34

Oh , no , he's , he's , he's the main character

1:12:36

, but , like I mean , I'm just saying not a lot .

1:12:38

It would be ruined then , wouldn't it , corey ?

1:12:42

Just , oh my gosh , this is like me all over again

1:12:44

. I'm just like seeing two different things here . I

1:12:46

can like I don't know Seth Green , he's just

1:12:48

. I have a hard time . I like I've watched it

1:12:51

the miniseries . I like I've seen him as a child

1:12:53

, but it's hard to not see him as just

1:12:55

a small man .

1:12:58

I know what you mean .

1:12:59

Cloak and dagger is about a young boy and his imaginary

1:13:01

friend who end up on the run while in possession of a

1:13:03

top-secret spy gadget . That sounds so

1:13:06

cool . It's pretty solid . Yeah , we'll

1:13:08

just put the other Corey in this one .

1:13:12

Cory Hame would do fine and go to dagger . My thing is , corey

1:13:14

Hame didn't have a ton of range true . I Just

1:13:17

don't okay . Okay , the whole thing

1:13:19

in Jack Banning is he's Charlie course mode

1:13:21

. He just does a really good job .

1:13:23

He does one of the underrated child performances

1:13:25

because he comes off so naturally .

1:13:27

I'm going , henry Thomas , nice , just based

1:13:29

on the ET audition tapes that we've all seen

1:13:31

. Yeah , I on command

1:13:33

and I just we're gonna really root for the kid

1:13:35

and he always looks lost

1:13:37

as a kid . You

1:13:40

look at me , thomas , he just looks confused , like he never knows where

1:13:42

he's at . He's like that kid you see in the mall and you're

1:13:44

like where's this mom ? You lost

1:13:46

it . No , it's just gonna work out . He's in

1:13:48

Neverland looking for some sort of identity and

1:13:50

Captain James Hooks gonna give it to him .

1:13:53

No , yeah .

1:13:54

I'm go , yeah , I'm gonna go that nice

1:13:57

we have that .

1:13:57

We have burned in some stuff in 84 .

1:14:01

I mean cooking daggers , I think the least thing

1:14:03

, for

1:14:05

some reason , and so it's

1:14:09

like whatever the Jackie real

1:14:11

Haley just gets the role and yeah , there you go . Okay

1:14:14

, I think he was number two choice for the

1:14:16

Glenn roll . Okay

1:14:18

, that brings us to the top two

1:14:20

guys that cannot stress this enough , we cannot

1:14:23

screw this up which

1:14:31

are ruining we can do . Let me look at the

1:14:33

bottom here . Yep , nothing .

1:14:37

You played yourself .

1:14:41

Danny DeVito could be Peter Bandy . All

1:14:45

right , all right , okay , let's do , captain

1:14:47

James . Not

1:15:08

sure if this is the greatest Performance

1:15:11

of Captain Hook . We just had a

1:15:13

lot of bad ones .

1:15:14

It's the best one so far , other than maybe like the voice

1:15:16

acting for hook and the Peter Pan . Yeah

1:15:19

, obviously it's just like every hook

1:15:21

we've seen since .

1:15:22

It's just been bad , like Hugh Jackman and

1:15:24

Jude Law .

1:15:25

Well , like Dustin Hoffman , definitely leaned into the whole

1:15:27

cartoon Disney cartoon .

1:15:29

Yeah , I'm gonna play a version of this like but

1:15:31

that's pretty close .

1:15:32

Everybody else is like well , I have to do something different . I'm like

1:15:35

but you really don't .

1:15:37

Go for it . Yeah , for sure .

1:15:39

So yeah , this is played by Dusty Hoffman

1:15:41

, right .

1:15:41

Yeah , yeah the man .

1:15:43

All right , we're close , so I can call him Dusty

1:15:45

. Okay , he's given me permission . That's nice of him

1:15:47

Tootsie , midnight

1:15:49

cowboy , rain man , kramer versus Kramer

1:15:51

. Kung fu panda marathon man . I mean it's , it's Dustin

1:15:54

, he's the guy , he

1:15:56

he's in meet the Fockers .

1:16:03

It's really a bumbley , lovable day .

1:16:11

I want a movie of just those two characters .

1:16:13

I would watch that .

1:16:13

Yeah , um , yeah . So on the right yeah

1:16:16

yeah .

1:16:16

So according to Phil Collins an interview , dustin Hoffman was

1:16:18

so meticulous that he was present two months before it

1:16:20

was actually required to film a scene , simply so that he

1:16:22

could get immersed in the role . Oh , again

1:16:25

, very famously , like method

1:16:27

is all get out to the point . Directors have just yelled at

1:16:29

him . When the bandings fly to the United Kingdom for

1:16:31

Christmas , the pan and captain announcement is voiced

1:16:34

by Dustin Hoffman .

1:16:34

Yeah , it's kind of a nod to like the plays where he

1:16:37

, the same actor that played the dad , would play . Yeah

1:16:39

, yeah , captain hook .

1:16:41

Down the roll . David Bowie

1:16:43

turned down the roll that actually would have

1:16:45

worked , following

1:16:48

his appearance in the movie , close friend and former roommate , gene Hackman

1:16:51

Again , calling him hook is a joke the name stuck

1:16:53

in his contemporaries calling by that nickname to

1:16:55

this day . Nice , yeah

1:16:57

, nikki , got anything . You want to add

1:16:59

any of that ? You ?

1:17:00

know just just that the character of captain hook . He

1:17:02

was inspired by this reverend I guess

1:17:04

that JM Berry came in contact with over

1:17:07

in In East Sussex and

1:17:09

so he just happened to have a hook for a hand

1:17:12

and he told everyone he lost it in a coach accident

1:17:14

and no one had any reason to Down his

1:17:16

story until a man named Smith came to town and revealed

1:17:18

that he lost his hand in a previous career

1:17:20

as a pirate . So

1:17:22

apparently he pretty successful career

1:17:24

until he decided to strand his partner Smith in

1:17:27

the Caribbean , returned to England , become a man of

1:17:29

the cloth . It's

1:17:31

a whole wild story where Smith comes back to track down

1:17:34

his friend and try to blackmail him and

1:17:36

the paranoia like drove him mad . So

1:17:38

it's like this weird like Amadeus kind of

1:17:41

story going on with the origin story for captain

1:17:43

hook allegedly so . Just thought

1:17:45

that was a really interesting piece of history right there . Okay

1:17:47

, this is wild .

1:17:49

In an interview with Playboy in 2004 , justin

1:17:52

Hoffman recalls this aha moment between

1:17:54

him and Bob Hoskins in which they realized that their characters

1:17:56

were gay . He fit . They believed

1:17:58

that JM Berry wrote them as gay and they played them

1:18:01

as quote a couple of old Queens

1:18:03

Like , I guess , just this gay couple that's

1:18:05

just past the honeymoon stage .

1:18:07

Yeah .

1:18:07

Yeah , and so , and so . That's

1:18:10

why , like , there is this sense of like .

1:18:13

Hey .

1:18:14

Commodities , yeah , and like yeah

1:18:17

, yeah , I could see that in a weird way , like

1:18:19

they're trying to adopt a son together .

1:18:24

Peter Pan is the real villain of this story

1:18:26

. He is standing .

1:18:28

He is standing between this perfectly great

1:18:30

LGBT company , that a couple that just

1:18:32

wants a child and

1:18:35

he's the product of the child . Now

1:18:38

, in all fairness , they lock up a bunch of other kids .

1:18:40

That's what I was about to say like Maggie's right there , but

1:18:42

she gets thrown in this other room , boys

1:18:45

yeah , all right , All right . So they're not all captain hooks not

1:18:47

opening an orphanage , it's interesting .

1:18:49

I didn't know that .

1:18:49

I didn't know that doesn't know , I had no idea about that . As

1:18:53

gay apparently Spielberg had to be like guys pull

1:18:55

back .

1:19:02

Yeah , it's fine , I'm gonna

1:19:04

put this on camera .

1:19:06

All right , it's 91 , they

1:19:09

will they were not quite ready for they will burn us at

1:19:11

the stake .

1:19:12

So all right , all right . Cool

1:19:14

, I guess , if you made this movie now .

1:19:16

Yeah , that means it would work .

1:19:18

Um , all right , that's interesting

1:19:21

. Okay , guys , I need an actor

1:19:23

that's super method and is gonna play

1:19:25

captain James hook is possibly a gay man .

1:19:28

Well , I think I made it last , so I'll take it here

1:19:30

.

1:19:32

That's my criteria .

1:19:34

Okay , cory , this one . It

1:19:36

might be on the nose but I think like he will play

1:19:38

captain hook as we have seen him . As

1:19:41

with Dustin Hoffman , the cartoon , it'll be

1:19:43

very familiar and close to that . I was

1:19:45

a little too afraid to pick anybody that would take it in

1:19:47

a weird direction or anything at that point . So I'm giving

1:19:49

you Jeremy Irons this year

1:19:51

he is in swan and love , which

1:19:54

is just more of a period piece , it seems like

1:19:56

, but I think he would just nail

1:19:58

it . It's weirdly like his voice . I know

1:20:00

he's the voice of scar already , but like , like

1:20:02

it's almost on point . It's almost like Dustin Hoffman

1:20:04

is doing a Jeremy Irons to an extent . Hmm

1:20:08

you know , the

1:20:10

voice is almost exactly the same like you wouldn't

1:20:12

have to change like it's the same as every

1:20:14

other role he's been in .

1:20:15

That's better say Jeremy Irons is not gonna have to . No

1:20:17

try hard .

1:20:20

Just play himself . You're older and

1:20:22

you hate children , got it .

1:20:25

Ash , that's brilliant . I don't know what you're about to do .

1:20:30

I don't know . I mean I'm a big fan

1:20:32

of Jeremy Irons . I can't really compete

1:20:35

with that , but I love the guy

1:20:37

in Brings' table so I'm gonna defend him

1:20:39

and I brought him to the table before on Consumorycast

1:20:41

and he was rejected just so slightly

1:20:44

. So we're going again . I'm

1:20:46

bringing you a guy who actually

1:20:49

could pull this off very well and

1:20:51

he might have his own take on it , but he will stay

1:20:53

true to the hook role . He's a free

1:20:55

agent and he's quite good at playing villains

1:20:57

. I mean this is a year before he's a Bond villain . I'm giving

1:20:59

you Christopher walking Christopher

1:21:01

what he would suit a

1:21:04

pirate outfit . Why he hasn't played a pirate before

1:21:06

, I don't know . I

1:21:08

just think he can add a bit of charm to it . I mean he'd definitely

1:21:10

have that flamboyance if he's

1:21:12

going in that direction as well . But yeah , he's

1:21:14

definitely played villains . He's already been established

1:21:17

from Deer Hunter and Annie Hall , roughly the

1:21:19

same age as Dustin Hoffman was in 91 . I

1:21:21

think he has that sort of like pirate-esque

1:21:24

look going on already . I

1:21:27

think he can bring a bit of swagger to the role

1:21:29

that Dustin sort of made . Maybe he didn't

1:21:31

go as far with , maybe

1:21:33

.

1:21:35

I did not know that Christopher Walken was a Bond

1:21:37

villain .

1:21:39

Yeah .

1:21:40

Who .

1:21:42

He was in the Timothy Dolson one , I think the

1:21:44

two that he did .

1:21:45

Oh , okay . Well , that's interesting . You

1:21:49

can't blame me because I'm not British and

1:21:51

I don't like James Bond In

1:21:54

the same way . Ash , I can't blame you for

1:21:57

what's about to happen . Oh no .

1:22:00

This is just your fault .

1:22:02

I think that's why he's played Captain Hook .

1:22:04

He has In a live

1:22:06

.

1:22:06

TV version that happened in the last . Like what

1:22:08

?

1:22:09

5 to 10 years here

1:22:12

in America .

1:22:13

He has yeah .

1:22:15

And it wasn't great . Oh

1:22:18

, my word , I'm just looking at it up now . Hold on

1:22:20

two seconds , you're

1:22:23

chilling in this right now .

1:22:23

This is the first time he's seen that , no

1:22:26

, no this isn't Ash's fault .

1:22:28

Wait , so he's Captain Hook . He

1:22:30

just pan live . Oh my gosh , a TV

1:22:32

movie 2014 . On

1:22:35

Voodoo if you want to watch . I'm

1:22:38

not even going to repeat the IMDb

1:22:41

score on this , because that's the first thing I saw .

1:22:43

It wasn't good , I don't know , for whatever

1:22:45

reason In theory , great idea

1:22:48

.

1:22:48

Love the casting thought .

1:22:51

Is this another Tim Curry-Adams family moment

1:22:54

where he was in the wrong movie ? Maybe

1:22:57

age ?

1:22:57

might have played into it a little bit , but also the fact

1:22:59

that it's like a stage live version

1:23:01

probably also didn't help .

1:23:03

Yeah , I

1:23:05

don't know that Walk-In was made for the stage .

1:23:07

Yeah .

1:23:09

At least not in this role .

1:23:11

But unfortunately I have

1:23:13

this thing that I can't get out of my head , so I have

1:23:15

to go with Jeremy .

1:23:18

I understand . I

1:23:21

can't believe he's played Hook before . I've blown my

1:23:23

mind .

1:23:23

honestly , you said it he's like he's

1:23:25

never played in pirate and I'm like , well , yes , but

1:23:27

I don't think it landed over there . The

1:23:29

United States has this weird thing where we like to do live

1:23:31

stage plays

1:23:34

on primetime television once a year .

1:23:37

It's incredible , like 2014

1:23:40

, it came out .

1:23:41

Yeah .

1:23:43

We've done a horrible grease .

1:23:44

We've done a horrible Grinch one . We've

1:23:46

done a lot of horrible stage live

1:23:48

. The grease thing was

1:23:50

good because of Vanessa Hudgens .

1:23:52

Was good . Julian Huff was good . The lead the

1:23:54

Danny was bad , but he wasn't

1:23:56

bad . He just wasn't Travolta . That was the only problem

1:23:58

.

1:24:00

He's just not Travolta . Only one man can play Travolta

1:24:02

. You had Vanessa .

1:24:02

Hudgens high school fame . You had Julian Huff dancing

1:24:04

with a star's fame , and then you had the

1:24:06

guy from Les Mis . That's the rebel leader .

1:24:08

Hudgens sang her Rizzo

1:24:10

song better than Rizzo from the original . But

1:24:14

no one can play Travolta except Nic Cage . That is it

1:24:16

.

1:24:19

So alright .

1:24:21

Jeremy Irons is on the board . Oh

1:24:25

my gosh , alright , peter

1:24:27

Pan , peter Banning . I

1:24:44

haven't done a lot of character descriptors coming up at

1:24:47

this point because it's like you know who they are , but obviously this

1:24:49

movie takes a lot of creative liberties

1:24:51

with the character of Peter Pan .

1:24:53

He has left Neverland .

1:24:54

He's grown up and the real world has gotten ahold

1:24:56

of him . It's honestly , when you watch Hood Now in

1:24:58

your 30s , you're like man . That is depressing

1:25:01

. This is like the death of child

1:25:03

is what happened . Peter Pan grew

1:25:05

up .

1:25:06

You watch him go hook about Peter having a midlife

1:25:08

crisis .

1:25:09

And it's just like yeah , and it's just like obviously

1:25:11

he's completely forgotten about Neverland

1:25:13

and being Peter Pan . He has to be remembered and it's

1:25:15

just beautifully written and it's great . And

1:25:18

then , like even discovering his , rediscovering

1:25:20

his childhood , it makes him a better dad , you

1:25:23

hearing all that , dads you hearing it .

1:25:25

It's okay . It's okay to embrace childhood a little

1:25:27

bit , a little bit of childhood . We don't want to go outside

1:25:29

and shoot guns . Alright

1:25:33

, we want you to be at our baseball games though

1:25:36

.

1:25:36

I have to ask and like we're trying to close , we're trying to

1:25:38

wrap up in this our last thing . But , ash , we mainly brought you on

1:25:40

because you're from England . It's like Peter

1:25:42

Pan like this massively important thing over

1:25:44

there , because here it's like it's important

1:25:46

that Disney made a cartoon that we saw as kids

1:25:49

but obviously it's this important

1:25:51

play , written by JM Berry , which is from your

1:25:53

part of the world .

1:25:54

Yeah , I mean we try and hold on to stuff written in

1:25:56

the UK and then try and exploit it and have

1:25:59

some kind of like hold on it Like we don't try and share

1:26:01

it with the world , and we have that really obnoxious kind

1:26:03

of like with James Bond like an American actor can't play

1:26:05

. Yet you know , you guys allow Batman and Superman to

1:26:07

be played by British people , so that's one thing I hate

1:26:09

. But with Peter Pan , when Disney made Peter

1:26:12

Pan , it was an absolute success . I think it was like

1:26:14

one of the first times it was like oh , you're

1:26:16

acknowledging a British Disney

1:26:18

character instead of an American one . They did it a few

1:26:20

times before . We love Peter Pan

1:26:22

. Yeah , it's been redone time

1:26:24

and time again here and you know , like the TV movie

1:26:27

of Christopher walking , we every year we have

1:26:29

pantomines and most of it is re adaptations

1:26:31

of just one character , maybe Captain Hook

1:26:33

or Wendy or Peter Pan , and

1:26:36

they have that ammunition to maybe even maybe

1:26:38

just the Lost Boys . So and

1:26:40

they do it time and time again . But yeah , we do have like a still

1:26:42

I think a bit of an unnecessary grip on Peter

1:26:44

Pan , where I actually think America

1:26:47

probably exploited it to the world when Peter Pan

1:26:49

came out as a Disney . But yeah , it's one

1:26:51

of those things . It's the same with , like I guess , winnie

1:26:53

the Pooh , I think .

1:26:54

Yeah , okay , all right , yeah , oh , that's true , they both

1:26:56

have a similar you have like the original cartoon

1:26:59

, there's a live action continuation

1:27:01

and there's also a book about , or a movie

1:27:03

about , how they were made .

1:27:04

Yeah , oh , it's so true .

1:27:08

Ash have you been to the Peter Pan statue ? In the

1:27:10

park in .

1:27:11

London . You know what Nick ? No , I have

1:27:13

not been there , like Nick can testify to this

1:27:15

. Like when Nick came here , he was showing

1:27:17

me around when we were in Oxford I didn't know Tolkien's

1:27:20

grave was in .

1:27:21

Oxford yeah when . I mean Ash hung out

1:27:23

, we went to Tolkien's grave and to see us loose his house .

1:27:25

I've done all this . I've

1:27:29

seen the Peter Pan statue and gone to Tolkien's

1:27:31

grave , you've done more than .

1:27:32

I have , and I think we're more British

1:27:34

than Ash .

1:27:36

I think they just call us tourists .

1:27:39

Honestly , you've probably done more of the cool stuff Like

1:27:41

. I think it's because it's accessible and you just sort

1:27:43

of take it for granted that you are like you know we're

1:27:46

not doing it .

1:27:47

Yeah .

1:27:48

In all fairness , ash just told us he's visiting the state soon . He's

1:27:50

like , hey , have you all been to the Twister Museum in Oklahoma ? And

1:27:52

we're like , no , yeah

1:27:55

, I thought that was a good question . That's just how it is

1:27:57

.

1:27:57

True , true , true yeah .

1:27:58

All right , I

1:28:00

just thought . I just wanted to ask .

1:28:02

No no no .

1:28:03

Good question . I get a feel of people , so context , yeah

1:28:05

, yeah , yeah .

1:28:07

All right . So it's Peter Pan

1:28:09

. It's awesome , played by the late Robin

1:28:11

Williams . Horrible , horrible

1:28:14

loss that we're all still feeling . Obviously

1:28:17

, the voice of the genie in a lad , mrs Duffer

1:28:19

, one hour photo . Good morning Vietnam . Oh my gosh

1:28:21

, every it's Robin

1:28:23

Williams . He's more from work at Mindy .

1:28:25

That's where I fell in love with him as a kid .

1:28:29

He shaved his upper body and arms for this

1:28:31

role because Robin Williams is very he's

1:28:33

a hairy man . Yeah , he became best

1:28:35

friends with director Steven Spielberg while making this movie . Reportedly

1:28:37

after Williams' death , spielberg decided

1:28:39

to watch this movie out of remembrance , but couldn't finish

1:28:42

it because he couldn't stop crying for several hours

1:28:44

. Sounds like Tanner .

1:28:46

Listen , I was there when I have . I remember

1:28:48

it happening and we tried to try to keep Tanner

1:28:51

off the internet , but that's impossible

1:28:53

.

1:28:53

Yeah , so Tanner loves

1:28:56

Rob Williams , and that was a rough day in our house

1:28:58

. Peter's backstory in this movie

1:29:00

is Lucy , based on the book Peter Pan in Kensington Gardens . The

1:29:02

first book Arthur , sir Jay and Barry wrote about the character in 1906

1:29:05

. Specifically , this movie uses Peter managing to run away

1:29:07

from home as an infant meaning fairies and discovering

1:29:09

that his parents haven't had another child when he briefly returns home

1:29:11

for its origin so

1:29:14

yeah . Hoffman described

1:29:16

his co-star , robin Williams , as a person with two

1:29:18

sides to his personality . He jokingly said one side

1:29:20

was not the kind person you would want to raise as a kid in your

1:29:22

house , but an absolute delight to work

1:29:24

with . And he said that Williams

1:29:26

had a very opposite side to his personality , in that he could be

1:29:29

a very shy , insecure and vulnerable

1:29:31

person who you could

1:29:33

just want to give a big hug to . So often said at times

1:29:35

Williams was very nervous about his performance in this movie

1:29:37

off camera .

1:29:39

I mean , the more time we spend away from

1:29:41

Robin Williams passing , the more you understand just

1:29:43

how much he there's been interviews and stuff that come out with

1:29:45

just how much he was struggling internally .

1:29:48

Yeah , the red flag type of . Thing and that , yeah

1:29:50

, you know , and it's the sad clown thing where people start going

1:29:52

there's a thing with people who are constantly

1:29:54

like funny and trying to make everyone laugh

1:29:56

, that really is on the inside you know . A lot of times it's

1:29:59

like you sometimes look at Jim Carrey and you're like I hope he's fine

1:30:01

.

1:30:02

It seems like he's found some .

1:30:04

Zen .

1:30:04

Moment to himself .

1:30:05

Yeah , he's definitely got some Zen . I think , yeah , for sure .

1:30:07

Yeah , so all right .

1:30:08

No , I think , I think that you know we haven't talked , we

1:30:10

haven't deep dubbed too much about the performances

1:30:13

and stuff , but I do think , like they're all like so

1:30:15

on point , Like this is one of those cast where it is

1:30:17

. That's also why it's so hard to consider recasting

1:30:19

it , because everybody , from Schmi up to up

1:30:21

to here , like they just nail their goals , exactly

1:30:23

what they need to be done . But and I think that

1:30:25

this is like to me , like

1:30:27

the best Robin Williams performance across the

1:30:30

board , like you're getting the full Robin Williams experience

1:30:32

, like he's getting to ad lib and have fun , like we

1:30:34

see him do in Miss Doubtfire and Aladdin , but

1:30:36

you're also getting to see some really dramatic

1:30:38

chops being shown that you don't you only

1:30:40

get to see in things like Goodwill Hunting and One

1:30:42

Hour Photo and stuff like that .

1:30:45

What Dreams May Come , which is like one of my favorite

1:30:47

Robin Williams performances , but I will never , ever

1:30:49

, ever watch that movie ever ever

1:30:52

again . So , yeah

1:30:54

, it's true , it's

1:30:56

like you just really see like this other side of them , for

1:30:58

sure All right . Now

1:31:02

that we're all sad , let's cast .

1:31:04

Thanks guys .

1:31:06

Let's recast Peter Pan .

1:31:07

Is it ?

1:31:08

It's me again , Yep you made it All .

1:31:10

Right , okay , I'm just going to come straight to the

1:31:12

point , Corey , there was one name that pretty

1:31:14

much popped up and I , as I hunted , this is the

1:31:16

only one that stuck to it Michael Keaton .

1:31:19

Gosh , that's good , oh man , oh

1:31:22

.

1:31:22

Johnny . This year he's doing Johnny dangerously

1:31:24

.

1:31:25

I don't love it .