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2:02

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Chris Skoll and we've got another bonus episode for

2:07

you here today in memory

2:09

of Terry Venables. I mean, the ultimate

2:11

kind of England manager of the 90s

2:13

really. Obviously, very sad he passed away

2:16

at the back end of last year

2:18

and we just felt we had to

2:20

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2:22

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2:24

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2:31

we drop into that, just a reminder,

2:33

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2:35

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2:42

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2:53

it comes. Tom Crane, the Terry Venables special. You

2:55

hear about 20 minutes or so of it. If

2:57

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2:59

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3:02

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3:04

Kevin and also on your Apple podcast app.

3:06

Here it comes. Enjoy. Hey

3:09

guys, how are you? Good. We've

3:12

just started recording and from nowhere you've plucked a

3:14

banana. It's my breakfast banana.

3:16

Is that a professional? But

3:19

it's potassium. In my mind it's giving me the

3:21

energy to perform the best banana that I can.

3:24

So if anything, you should be impressed by it. It's

3:27

going to sound disgusting on mic if you're chewing a

3:29

banana. I would. Let's give it a little test. Here

3:31

we go. I'm going to lean away. Watch this. Little

3:35

chump. I'm speaking distant from the mic. Quick,

3:37

through. I thought it was just part

3:40

of a thought. And swallow.

3:42

And we're back to broadcasting. May

3:45

I just remind you this is a tribute episode

3:47

to Terry Venables. Oh yes. Maybe not on the edit.

3:49

Would you turn up to a funeral with a banana?

3:51

But he did love a banana, Terry. That's the

3:53

thing about Terry. He did love a banana. Well,

3:56

we've got plenty of Terry Venables facts coming right up. Maybe

3:58

he loves a banana is among them. you'll have to

4:00

listen and find out. So yes, this is a

4:03

tribute episode to Terrence Frederick Venables, born the 6th

4:05

of January 1943 to the 25th of November 2023.

4:07

And we just wanted to, I

4:11

don't know, talk about Terry Venables and the

4:13

impact he had on 90s football and, I

4:16

mean, it's an excuse as well to talk about

4:18

Euro 96 and what could have been and just

4:20

his impact on the game. We were sat down

4:22

thinking about subscriber episodes and with the

4:24

passing of Terry Venables, it feels like a real

4:26

moment in time and a perfect point to kind

4:29

of reflect on everything he did for England

4:31

and what he means and

4:33

his colourful career. I wanted

4:35

to begin by kind of a bit of an open

4:37

question, but isn't it weird that

4:39

there are no England managers alive

4:42

from before Hodel? Do we

4:45

feel really old? I feel so old for

4:47

that knowledge. When the news happened, my girlfriend

4:50

was the one that told me, she said, oh,

4:52

who's Terry Venables? He's passed away. And I was

4:54

like, oh, that's pretty sad. And then

4:56

my reflex, which doesn't reflect when I'm glad

4:59

Hodel was, oh, that's all of the England

5:01

managers of the 90s are dead. That's so

5:03

sad. And then because she'd recently watched the

5:05

Beckham documentary, she went, what about that horrible

5:07

one who did Beckham Dirty? And I went,

5:09

oh, yeah, of course, Hodel. Yeah, he's still

5:11

alive. Sorry, Glenn. But it was a real

5:13

marker where you go, oh, God, the

5:16

sort of sands of time are rapidly slipping through our

5:18

fingers now. And I don't know about you guys, but

5:20

obviously, Crane, you know, you're going to guess on the

5:22

show over here, so it's not of us aware, but

5:24

Chris, this is sort of more of a question to

5:27

you. I don't feel like we've covered Venables enough. No,

5:30

this show, considering how big a role he

5:32

played, I mean, especially during year

5:34

96. But as we were sort of watching

5:36

the clips and researching this episode, I thought,

5:38

oh, we've never talked about that. Or we've

5:40

never drilled into that, from his perspective, like

5:42

talking about Venables. So I was quite excited

5:45

to sort of run through his career and

5:47

his influence in particular, and although it's sort

5:49

of slightly outside of the 90s, the Barcelona

5:51

era, I'd love to watch a feature length

5:54

doc about his time at Barcelona because I

5:56

wasn't fully aware of quite

5:58

how highly regarded and quite the impact. that

6:00

he had at that club and sort of changed

6:02

their fortunes at a time when they were really

6:04

in a bad place. Absolutely. It's

6:07

mad doing a little bit of research for

6:09

this episode and also reading Terry Venable's obituary.

6:11

You're right what he achieved at that period of

6:14

Barcelona, I think it was only there shy of

6:16

three years, but he won La Liga for the

6:18

first time in 11 years in his first season

6:20

at Barcelona and got him

6:22

to the final of the European Cup, which they

6:25

lost on penalties, which would have been the first

6:27

time Barcelona had ever won the European Cup. And

6:29

I shared with you an amazing clip.

6:32

I think this is from his first

6:34

season at Barcelona that the BBC had

6:36

put on their Instagram. You see Terry

6:38

Venable's coaching the Barcelona players. And I

6:41

don't know what I expected from the management style of

6:43

Terry Venable's, but I always thought he was kind of

6:45

laid back and maybe in that Brian Clough mould where

6:47

the coaches do the training. But

6:50

when you watch this clip of

6:52

Terry Venable's coaching, he's coaching defenders

6:54

and he's telling them exactly how

6:56

to mark a man. It's such

6:58

a granular level of management. And

7:00

also what's brilliant about it, it's

7:03

obviously all going through a translator.

7:05

He's doing this in like,

7:07

I'd actually say he's not even made any

7:09

attempt to make his voice less cockney. He's

7:13

going, right, you stand here, you stand

7:16

here, you've got to watch that man.

7:18

Don't worry about what that man's doing.

7:20

And that's the translators pedaling so fast

7:22

to keep up and translate everything into

7:24

Spanish. At the

7:26

end, he's saying everything at a rapid pace. The

7:28

translator is trying to catch up and he goes,

7:30

I'll shut up or something like that. He just

7:33

tells the translator to give up the translation. He's

7:35

even better than that. He says, I'll stop rabbiting

7:37

on. What

7:40

a phrase that translates so easy for the translator

7:42

as well. Rabbiting on. Rabbiting

7:45

Graham. Get on with it, he says. His

7:49

style of management, as you say, it was clearly having an impact

7:51

on the players there. After his death,

7:53

Guardiola has talked about it and the impact

7:55

he had on him when he was a

7:57

young player in that same Barcelona team. That

8:00

was a youth player will at Barcelona. Denzel

8:02

starting to break in very early on he

8:04

just said he just let so much about

8:06

management from that and he had such an

8:08

impact on him as a player to completely

8:10

change the club as he say they countries

8:12

that a decade of a clean. And

8:15

then suddenly and his two year tenure he

8:17

won the league narrowly lost in the final

8:19

of the European Cup which is incredible for

8:22

Gaudio who to my mind's probably aren't be

8:24

the best measure ever. To. Say that

8:26

this guy had a real impact on the

8:28

way he views management shows you how regarded

8:30

he is as an amazing picture this doing

8:32

the rounds social media, the sweeter than a

8:35

sort of glitnir. So twelve or thirteen year

8:37

old Pep Guardiola looking up at Terry Venables

8:39

Juri one of the other know and I

8:41

just wanna try Foie who on the league

8:43

him as a player who's got another player

8:45

on his some shoulders and they're celebrating and

8:47

it's like a young path and this is

8:50

incredible. Pitch on our on our site for

8:52

that real the someone site that. He.

8:54

This is where there's so much yeah,

8:56

like literally passing of the to My

8:58

Legacy. Picture is a real

9:00

I don't know I couldn't tell because of

9:02

of the version I'd seen had been cells

9:04

treated in an artistic why. Nice.

9:07

A nice little. Now. That's.

9:09

Mad said a picture is to put this

9:12

on our Instagram a mean as his episode

9:14

but it's to audio that's Venables is on

9:16

the shoulders of two minute they lit by

9:19

place. to be fair. And quality

9:21

and is just behind the looking up clapping

9:23

a young guardia Oda. Probably. No

9:25

more than fifteen or so as an

9:27

incredible picture. I think Israel.

9:29

He looks a bit like who's that

9:31

guy who does those mantises, different celebrities,

9:33

societies Our guys spotlighting as a reply

9:35

was his name know steve. Total stays

9:37

cold off even if a little bit

9:39

like Total States will put it together

9:41

isn't gonna most or it looks like

9:43

a so of life. A I pitched

9:46

a generator with a once over. the

9:48

is describe what they want to say

9:50

and that assists. This is generated asked.

9:54

But nobody else. He is true because it is

9:56

episodes about the impact of the young player the

9:58

had on him for his you say. It is

10:00

incredible right? Because he gets his European Cup

10:02

final in nine. I six my when it

10:04

six years later. But this is comes off

10:06

the back to been a long period of

10:08

absolutely nothing so he really did turn that

10:10

club around. One thing I've read about his

10:12

time at Barcelona, I don't think I've really

10:14

clocks this, but that's why obviously Gary Linux

10:16

is there. and that's why Mark Hughes? Is

10:18

that what I was reading about his in

10:20

his time that it starred in? It was

10:22

a huge success of Barcelona, but Mark Hughes

10:24

wasn't. Yes, We'll see what she

10:26

was loan to buy and with are i

10:28

think it on of it didn't work at

10:31

all for him at Barcelona is also know

10:33

why that is maybe to styles costs on

10:35

squats or tough with night as or backing

10:37

into plans or less or i know very

10:39

big folly based games the league as yes.

10:43

You will so am. I don't want

10:45

a cast aspersions on so much. His

10:48

personality is you're looking at two men

10:50

in terms of how they my embrace

10:52

of foreign culture and the language to

10:54

build a nice. If you can see

10:56

Linacre who I believe is fluent in

10:58

Spanish embedding himself there in a way

11:01

that perhaps Marquees didn't quite take like

11:03

a duck to water in in the

11:05

same way. More old fashioned

11:07

Yankees are I would imagine. My keys my

11:09

iffy. Why

11:13

does this look amazing? What? Sometimes.

11:15

I just got it. has some scenes from

11:17

blinds that com is all mine so it's

11:19

really easy. Iran or something for blinds. I

11:22

waited around all just cigar cloak

11:24

it took for over and the

11:26

worst part. About

11:28

you. I chatted with my blinds that two hundred

11:30

and some on. My time. Plus they make

11:33

it easy to d I lie or an

11:35

installation like I did once upon sounds way

11:37

better. Played better to forty five percent and

11:39

blinds.com and of Seasons last sale rules and

11:41

started me. What if you went on to

11:44

dream but you didn't smoke from a Big

11:46

Mac or drop a crispy fried between the

11:48

car seats or use you Mcdonald's bag as

11:50

a place math them that was two routes.

11:52

it was just a really long. Bottom

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is not an important point, but it's one that

12:33

I clocked. The shorts are so

12:35

small, they're so tiny. That

12:37

would be an issue for me if I

12:39

was signing for a club and they were

12:42

that tiny. Everyone's shorts are tiny. I know

12:44

that was the way of the game then,

12:46

but there's something particular about that Barcelona team

12:48

where it's essentially sort of undercrackers. That's what

12:50

you're wearing. They're pants. What is

12:52

your issue, Crane, that you're in danger of

12:54

exposing yourself or that you have particularly sticky

12:57

thighs? Well,

13:00

yes, it would restrict movement would be my first concern. I

13:02

put on a bit of weight and I played football on

13:04

a Tuesday. And last year I had a pair of jogging

13:06

bottoms which were too tight and they did affect my game.

13:09

They sort of restricted my ability

13:11

to volley, to sort

13:13

of cross. There was a detrimental

13:16

impact. I mean, my body was the

13:18

problem. My body had grown in the trails that remained the same

13:20

size. But I do think the shorts

13:22

are too small and also it's undignified, I think. When

13:25

you took them off and you replaced them with a

13:27

sort of looser pair of shorts, did you find yourself

13:29

then volleying like 50 times a game? I

13:31

did. Well, I actually replaced them with a

13:33

sarong, which has to be complete movement. No,

13:38

it generally did make a difference. If

13:41

Terry is listening from up on high, that's the

13:43

only thing. If you are about to kickstart sort

13:45

of heaven F.C., get looser

13:47

shorts. Shall we talk about it? I find

13:50

it so weird to think about big

13:53

manager characters in the 90s as

13:55

players. It's a really difficult thing

13:57

to kind of wrap your head around. Robson

14:00

had a failure. He actually played for England,

14:02

didn't he? Graham Taylor didn't

14:04

have any kind of... I think he played

14:06

for Grimmsby and Lincoln, never played for England.

14:09

Terry Venables actually did play for

14:11

England. Twice, wasn't it? Yeah. Twice.

14:13

Yeah. When he made his debut

14:15

for Chelsea, he was seen...

14:18

Well, the papers described him as the

14:20

new Duncan Edwards. There was a lot

14:22

of kind of hype about the young

14:24

Terry Venables. Another interesting thing

14:26

about him, he was obviously clever from

14:28

quite an early age. He did his

14:30

coaching badges at the age of 24.

14:34

Yeah, incredible. That is... And he got a 95% correct mark, like

14:36

95% 24. That's

14:42

as a player who was thriving and in

14:44

the first 11 for top teams.

14:46

Not someone who's going, oh God, I'm on the

14:48

fringes, this could go wrong, I need a backup.

14:50

This is someone going, okay, already at 24, I'm

14:52

going to be a manager, I need to learn,

14:54

I need to do exactly what's required. I think

14:56

that's what I find amazing, that he was a

14:58

first-teamer. He was a top pro and

15:00

still doing his coaching badges. There's

15:02

some amazing stuff as well, Chris, about him

15:04

when he first signed with Chelsea, which I

15:07

found out, which is that when he first

15:09

started, he always had this love of singing.

15:11

Have you read about this? He was a

15:13

huge fan of singing and Frank Sinatra and

15:15

all this sort of stuff. So he signed

15:17

for Chelsea when he's 15 as an apprentice.

15:20

And then he sort of kept his

15:22

singing going. So much so

15:24

that a couple of years later, the manager,

15:26

Tommy Doketty, gave him an ultimatum because

15:28

he just won a talent contest at

15:30

Bucklands and was invited back

15:32

to September and Doketty had to say, no, you've

15:35

got to make a choice because you're going

15:37

to be in the team. So he basically had

15:39

to make a choice between becoming a redcoat or

15:41

actually pursuing his job properly with Chelsea, which I

15:43

love the idea that what's happened now, let's say

15:46

Garnett show a man in iron was just

15:48

coming through. He's got this second dream. He really

15:50

wants to be a redcoat. 10 Hogs

15:53

taking to one side and go, no, you need to decide. But

15:55

it's mad that he had this that's the sort of character you

15:57

want. He had this second love and it really mattered. And so

15:59

much so. So he was auditioning at Butler's when

16:01

he was still signed to Chelsea. It's like great.

16:03

Yeah, one thing I read, both his parents were club

16:05

singers. He was basically bred.

16:07

Yeah. He was genetically bred to be

16:10

a club singer. I

16:14

didn't realize that he obviously had some talent

16:16

as a singer. But I think

16:18

what sullies it in my mind, the knowledge that Ron

16:20

Atkinson also had a, he tried to

16:23

be a singer, Glenn Hodel as

16:25

well. They're footballers first trying

16:27

to be singers. And I threw Terry

16:29

Venables in with them. Obviously,

16:31

Terry Venables had far greater talent. I'm not

16:33

even being ironic or taking the piss when

16:35

I say that. He obviously, like you say,

16:38

that competition, he was objectively

16:40

a good singer. And he also,

16:42

he released two singles as well later on. One

16:45

about England and another one, like a crooning ballad, I

16:47

think. And they both got into the charts like 24

16:49

or 36 or something like that. So he did have

16:51

a bit of a singing career later. I mean, the

16:53

fact he was known helps, I'm sure.

16:56

But yeah, it was something he pursued

16:58

properly. So here's a question. If Venables

17:00

in a Sliding Rules moment goes to

17:02

that audition, wins,

17:04

gets a job as a sort of,

17:06

I don't know, lead Sinatra crooner at

17:08

Butlins, gives up for goes his

17:10

footballing career. How does that change the landscape? Who

17:13

is England manager at Euro 96? And

17:15

do we win the tournament or is there another kind

17:17

of Graham Taylor style episode? Didn't

17:19

we get a really good email

17:21

from someone who had screenshotted teletext

17:23

of the odds for the

17:26

England manager after Taylor? Oh,

17:28

yes, we did. Yeah. And Venables, I'm sure,

17:30

wasn't even on the list. If

17:32

he was, he was very low down. So who were

17:34

the odds on favorites? Was it someone like Steve Koppel?

17:36

It was Steve Koppel. It was Steve Koppel

17:39

was the famous. Which when you sort of do the

17:41

maths at the time, you kind of young English manager

17:43

in the same way that sort of 12 months ago,

17:45

Graham Potter might have been a front runner, but now

17:47

you look at it and go, well, that's probably never

17:49

going to happen, is it? It's

17:51

fun to think of those Sliding Doors moments because one of the

17:54

things I read about Terry Venables was that he

17:56

was one of the front runners to replace

17:58

Bobby Robson instead of Graham. Taylor. And

18:01

you think then how different that

18:04

might have been, he would have

18:06

been in charge for Euro 92. He might

18:08

well have taken England to USA 94. Would

18:11

he even still be there at Euro 96? There's

18:14

another way, which is we don't see a

18:16

deciding law moment, Michael, where he

18:18

continues the parallel career as a Frank Sinatra

18:20

impersonator. We get to Euro 96 and

18:23

he's dressed in the full Frank Sinatra

18:25

garb on the sidelines, also managing the

18:27

Indian football team. He

18:30

does the halftime song. He sings the anthem.

18:34

Bring it all together, mesh it all together.

18:36

There's loads of other mad stuff he did to

18:39

make money early on as a player. He read

18:41

about this stuff. Yeah, go on. Very briefly, his

18:43

clubs. I love his clubs. He played for Chelsea,

18:45

Tottenham, QPR and Crystal Palace. He loved to travel.

18:47

He loved to see the world. There's a man

18:50

with a wonderlust. You wouldn't have to move house. No.

18:53

So as a player, he

18:55

otherwise he made money. He opened a West End

18:57

tailor. I think I'd have a

18:59

problem with that if I was managing someone who is also running

19:01

a tailor. I think, come on, mate, a bit

19:03

more dedication to the job. He

19:06

also invented something called the thingamawig.

19:08

Have you heard of this? No. So

19:11

he invented a hatch with artificial hair

19:14

mounted inside. My

19:18

dad had probably both in the 90s, you know,

19:21

like the baseball cap with the mullet attached. Yeah.

19:24

So the reason was the interview,

19:26

he talks about the fact that when women

19:28

go out and they're going out in the

19:30

evening, they like to do up

19:32

their hair, but not have it ruined during the day

19:34

of being out and about. So the idea is you

19:36

put the hair in curlers, you put this hat on

19:38

and then have the fake hair dropping down. You

19:41

could go about your day and then come the evening,

19:43

you take your hat off and you'd be ready for

19:45

the theatre or whatever. And that was the thingamawig. He

19:48

was genuinely invented by Terry Venable while

19:50

he was a player. That is

19:52

a comically shit idea, isn't it? And the

19:54

other one was, you know about his novels?

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Yes. Yeah. I've got one line about it. Tell me

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more. Three novels

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of a coffee detective Cool. hurry season.

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Biggest Boston you ever push your belt buckle and

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this is my favorite thing about it. As a

20:11

writer, I love this is such a useful say

20:13

from Terry Venables. Speaking about his writing success: Venable:

20:15

seventy thousand and nine. It. Wasn't working a

20:18

first so I just put a detective in it

20:20

which I think is such a useful thing To

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now is a writer. For

20:25

any aspiring losses out as if you books not

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worth it to some of the text him and

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as a detective novels. Submit. Was a

20:31

before we the detective was in it. Was

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just a crime with new in solving Agatha

20:36

dividend boat or three hundred pages about that

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a tornado these people have gathered around here.

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going other I don't know anyone know where

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we do this. Is

20:47

so many means but nobody to I've gotten

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about. Why isn't this work A guy holding

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a smoking gun game must think I'm are

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I as. Far

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as the eyes, those books in the early days it

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could be Kevin once we're in. The kind of. The

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white he of the Steve Bruce Deep

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Bonds era I came across as a

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ordered them thinking oh Harrys and next

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stays here some oh god and I

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saw during the first one is it's

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annoying be fine. I. Could yeah Harry

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competently red book there's no fun to be

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half cause the guy he kind of I

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say cairo He definitely wrote him Venables attached

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domain to at times I have well established

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he wrote by a lot stronger dogs and

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some other so highly regarded books so there's

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no fun to be had. You can see

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the penalty Have infants is a detective. Wear

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the hat with half a half a dozen

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as well as adding. Stuff

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of animal faster. Also

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became United States series and I T V

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on I that are You get that you

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know I often so about. Something. To

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follow on the Sea Breeze Books vase

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or if we commissioned and Ninety's Football

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A to write. A. Detective Story.

21:51

And. Who would you go for? Who. Would be

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good at. Argonne ancestry

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away, It's.

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Sound the Channel Islands is now it

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is. it's I know more Same it

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only matters to the just. Received

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a well known as if as you can

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we say I was this is surviving member

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of the be really Michael I was thinking

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these actually same person but my last it

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was going to be you need someone who's

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a bit of the things He was always

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way ahead of everyone else in the pits

22:21

the to see I was this is where

22:23

I was going as well although his use

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a bit problematic. I like how about this

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and is code red by Two Ninety Settlers.

22:30

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they base to partner detective solving

22:34

crimes on the islands on their

22:36

own personalities and interests. So you've

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got to our fighting team you're

22:41

saying as they're confronted same as

22:43

Detective Matiz and Detective Messiah. They

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share ah, using these ideologically implicitly

22:47

and the way they get the

22:50

job done is also very differently,

22:52

but together they are unstoppable. Say

22:59

he goes Terry Venables special. We've heard

23:02

a little bit they want to get

23:04

even more the episode done to get

23:06

a quickly Kevin fan club member and

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signed up another slice.com for us quickly.

23:10

Kevin and on your Apple podcasts ass

23:13

as it did. I will be back

23:15

next week another special and he will

23:17

be Dean Saunders with L is James

23:19

Ellis and his hero and it's explains

23:21

in the episode you have posted a

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being soon as on his wall and

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you hear little previous that on Monday

23:28

or rights. thank you for listening

23:30

and don't forget to get sick with a

23:32

cabinet on the plane is gonna be a

23:34

special one until next time ravi slater see

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later you