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Ellen. Hi Ravia. I went

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first today. I know, it's

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so cute. I love it. I wanted to

0:48

surprise you. I love it.

0:50

Look at your sweet little smile. How was your holiday

0:53

weekend? It was good. We had a,

0:55

I had a Friendsgiving on

0:58

Thanksgiving because it was like my first Thanksgiving without

1:00

my dad and my sister was out of

1:02

the country and it was just like, I'm

1:05

going to be really sad unless I have people

1:07

I love around me. So I just invited, we

1:09

had a game night. I had a lot of

1:11

fun. And what games do you play? What's like

1:13

on your game night agenda? Taboo is always a

1:15

must. We play Taboo and then we play Mafia.

1:17

Yeah, those are the two games we had time

1:19

for. We played for like maybe 90 minutes, but

1:22

brisket turned out great. Turkey turned out great. So

1:24

it was a good night. What about you Ellen?

1:26

I also love games. Big, big

1:28

gamer. We, I had Thanksgiving also

1:30

at a friend's house and then

1:32

my neighbors and I were supposed

1:34

to do Friendsgiving and

1:37

we were like, whose house do you want to

1:39

do it at? And one of my neighbors was like, oh, we're

1:41

going to be gone all day. So then I

1:43

said, okay, well we can host it at my house.

1:45

And then my other neighbor said, my

1:48

son is going to come with his girlfriend and

1:50

I have more seats. And

1:52

I answered that text in my

1:54

head, which is weird

1:56

that they didn't hear it. So then yesterday

1:58

at seven o'clock, all my. neighbors showed

2:00

up at my front door. That's amazing. And I

2:02

was like, what are you guys doing here? And

2:04

they're like, friends giving. I was like, no, it's

2:06

at Amy's. And they're like, no, it's here. And

2:08

I was like, no, I said, because Amy has

2:11

more chairs. And they're like, you never answered. I

2:13

was like, I did in my head. So that's

2:15

on you. So I

2:17

ended up that's Ellen. Yeah.

2:20

Like, Amy, you can't hear

2:22

the texts that in my head. I

2:25

don't know what to tell you. Like,

2:27

that's not my responsibility. So

2:29

you just ended up hosting and did Amy and her son

2:33

and girlfriend, all them come over? Yeah, they all

2:35

came over. I mean, everybody brought food. It wasn't

2:37

like I was responsible for that. But I like

2:39

my that my table wasn't set.

2:42

But let me tell you ADHD, when

2:44

that shit locks, my house was prepped

2:46

in 11 minutes. It

2:48

looked like a fucking magazine cover. Anyways,

2:50

every time I come,

2:53

I'm just like, it is it's it's just like,

2:55

joyous. It's just so beautiful and artsy.

2:57

And it's so you it's so pretty.

2:59

It's so pretty. I appreciate that. You know,

3:02

I that was a goal

3:04

because I've always lived with men. And

3:06

my ex was actually a great interior

3:08

designer. But it wasn't really my style.

3:10

It was very masculine. And I was

3:13

like, you know what, this is my

3:15

home. I am a very I enjoy

3:18

a feminine style. We're gonna live in

3:20

that. So guess what? Pink

3:22

mauve couches for everyone, you know, but

3:24

it's not like it's not like a

3:26

little girl's room, feminine type of thing,

3:28

right? It's not like that. It is.

3:31

It is so it's a mature

3:33

womanly feminine energy.

3:36

It's just beautiful. It's just art. He's beautiful.

3:38

Thank you. But anyway, I ended

3:40

up posting. So welcome everyone to

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and we are so grateful. What is it, Rabia?

4:46

Oh my gosh. That

4:48

was like one breath, girlfriend. You are a pro, but

4:50

also I did try to interrupt you, and I don't

4:52

think you heard me, or you were just like in

4:55

your head. You said Becky Freeling, so

4:57

I said, oh, you mean Maggie. But it's cool. I'm like, maybe

4:59

her name is Becky. What did I say?

5:02

Becky. It's all good. You said Becky. I said Becky? Yeah,

5:04

you did. Who's Becky? I

5:06

don't know who Becky is. Did I say Becky? Did

5:09

she say Becky? I said Becky. I heard Becky.

5:12

Well, also everyone, welcome to the

5:14

show. I have ADHD, and again, it is your

5:17

responsibility to

5:25

decipher what I'm saying. I can't do everything.

5:27

Yeah, and I just need to be louder

5:29

and yellier because

5:33

you can't hear me. I want

5:35

you guys to know, this is how I have Rebecca

5:37

LaVoy saved. Can you see that? What does it

5:39

say on my phone? Rebecca with a good

5:41

hair. Rebecca with a good hair. It's Rebecca. Rebecca with

5:44

a good hair. I should cover her phone

5:46

number up. See that? Anyway. Rebecca with a good

5:48

hair. Yeah. So with

5:50

that, we are going to bring you

5:52

some top stories. I am amped about

5:55

both of my stories today, so we're

5:57

going to be here for a minute.

6:00

If you are watching us on YouTube, grab

6:02

a sandwich. If you're listening to us in

6:04

the car, this is gonna be

6:06

a to work and back episode because... I'm excited

6:08

because I saw your post on Facebook and I

6:11

saw the angry face and I'm like, Oh God,

6:13

what is this about? And I want folks to

6:15

know, Ellen and I show up to talk about

6:17

what we want to talk about. We have no

6:19

idea what the other person's gonna talk about. I've

6:21

got like four stories, but

6:24

I won't go into real depth on each one

6:26

of them. But anyhow... Well, then you

6:28

start since you have more. I have two. I

6:30

actually had three, but this morning I

6:32

was like, I'm only gonna go on these two because I

6:35

feel like one of them is gonna take me an hour

6:37

and a half and the other one is gonna take me

6:39

another hour and a half. So I hope

6:41

you're all hydrated. All right. Okay. So

6:44

I will begin. One of the first stories that I want

6:46

to talk about caught my eye on TikTok because you know,

6:48

TikTok is a real robust place for true crime. It actually

6:50

is. Yeah, you can get a lot of... But

6:54

here's the thing, this caught my eye and

6:56

I'm like, well, this is absolutely atrocious. And

6:58

then I did a little digging. All right. So I

7:01

saw a TikTok. I'm not gonna like name who the

7:03

TikToker was. And he talked about how this man who

7:05

was chief of staff for the Pentagon school system, which

7:07

by the way, I didn't know the Pentagon had a

7:09

school system. His name is

7:11

Steven Francis Hovinek was arrested on

7:13

November 15th in a human trafficking

7:16

sting in Georgia. All right. So

7:18

according to the... If you watch just the TikTok,

7:21

you're gonna be like, oh my God, he was

7:23

part of... Like he was arrested in

7:25

the human trafficking sting. He was human trafficking.

7:27

You know, this guy's outraged, the TikToker. And

7:29

then you start digging into the story and

7:32

you realize the guy was... And

7:34

he is of this, you

7:36

know, very well ranked position

7:38

in the defense department,

7:41

was arrested for something called pandering. Do you

7:43

know what pandering is? I just

7:46

feel like when somebody panders to your

7:48

ego, that's all I can think of. Yeah.

7:51

It's a really weird term for what he was

7:53

arrested for. He was arrested for solicitation. He

7:56

was set up by an undercover officer arrested

7:58

for soliciting a proxy who was... who

8:00

was playing a sex worker and

8:02

he was arrested for that. Was

8:04

the sex worker under age or

8:06

was it of legal? No, no,

8:09

no, no, no, not underage. She

8:11

was not a victim of trafficking. She

8:13

was an officer, an actual law enforcement.

8:16

She was an adult. And so the

8:18

sheriff's office, Sergeant

8:20

Toby Nick says, pandering is not

8:22

a victimless crime as the demand

8:24

for prostitution drives the sex trafficking

8:27

market. And I was like, I'm

8:29

not saying I feel like I mean, I do feel sorry

8:31

for this guy, because the headlines are

8:33

screaming that he and he's

8:35

being named is someone

8:37

arrested in a sex trafficking sting.

8:41

But he is not part of any sex

8:44

trafficking. He was so he hired a sex

8:46

worker worker, he tried to write and then

8:48

he got arrested for it. And that's what's

8:50

called pandering in Georgia, which is just the weirdest,

8:52

most, I don't know, antiquated

8:54

term I've ever heard. But

8:58

so this raised a couple of issues for

9:00

me. Number one is the fact that we

9:02

all fall so quickly for like, what we

9:04

like social media outrage, right? Like, they're doing

9:07

a little digger, right? Clickbait. So now if

9:09

you if you hear the story, like, Ellen,

9:12

did you see these headlines, by the

9:14

way, this particular one, this story? Yeah.

9:16

Okay. But if you had, you would

9:18

not have guessed I did not guess

9:20

that what he was in fact arrested

9:22

for had nothing to really not nothing,

9:24

but was not a he wasn't directly

9:26

sex trafficking. No, I think actually, that's

9:29

a really, it actually is

9:31

a very dangerous to say that

9:33

someone soliciting sex work is sex

9:35

trafficking, because sex trafficking is an

9:37

epidemic. And it is scary. And

9:39

it is dangerous. And misusing

9:43

that is not

9:45

only unethical, that is confusing

9:48

people. And that is a very,

9:50

very separate issue. It's like when

9:52

people if there

9:55

are certain words that you really, really can't

9:57

misuse that can be very dangerous.

10:00

because they hold so much gravitas, they

10:02

hold so much weight. I

10:04

feel like sex trafficking is one of them. Oh, 100%. Listen,

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11:49

Sex trafficking is a very specific

11:51

particular thing, right, like we understand

11:54

that. And I have never connected.

11:56

And so this guy, this Sergeant Nix, who's

11:59

like the demand. prostitution drives the sex

12:01

trafficking market. What he's saying is, you know,

12:04

all the customers of sex workers are

12:06

now basically

12:10

sex trafficking perps. But

12:13

you know, and then the issue of the

12:15

social media stuff and how like we should

12:17

really be really careful when we see

12:20

these videos or see any of these headlines, do

12:22

a little digging ourselves because stories often not the

12:24

same. And I'm like this particular Tiktoker and it

12:26

wasn't just him. I saw this

12:28

because then I followed from him to another account

12:31

to another account to another account. And it's like,

12:33

did any of you actually read like what this

12:35

guy did at all? And then

12:37

the second thing is like, we

12:40

aren't the end of 2023. Should pandering

12:42

even be a chargeable offense at this

12:44

point? I think that that's a great

12:47

conversation. I also think that it is

12:49

a personal preference.

12:51

I mean, if a

12:53

person engages in sex work, and it

12:56

is their legitimate job, there are people

12:58

who are very who choose it,

13:00

choose it. They're very high profile. They're

13:02

very proud. They offer sometimes it's not

13:05

just sex. There are people who are

13:07

professional cuddlers out there. How

13:10

people choose to spend their they

13:12

are there. There are people who are professional cuddlers. I

13:14

just I said nothing. I just know I know. I

13:16

know. I saw your face in confusion. But

13:19

that is such a bigger

13:21

conversation about how somebody chooses

13:24

to live if they are safe, if

13:26

they are doing it of their own

13:28

free will. That is totally

13:30

separate. And the fact that they

13:32

spent time and resources to have

13:34

a whole sting for this man

13:37

who was, was engaging

13:39

in sex work. I mean, did they

13:41

talk to the sex worker? Did she

13:43

speak out? Was she like, No, no,

13:45

it wasn't a real sex worker. It

13:48

was an undercover officer. Yeah, it wasn't

13:50

even a real not underage. Sex trafficking

13:52

is dangerous. It is

13:54

violent. It's

13:56

very different. And sex sex

13:59

with people, not

14:01

just women, people who have been sex

14:03

trafficked can end up being

14:05

forced into doing sex work. That is definitely

14:07

a thing. That is not what was happening

14:09

here. And why aren't

14:12

your tax dollars being used to

14:14

find those people and

14:16

the people doing the sex trafficking versus setting

14:18

up an undercover officer to get this guy? Notice

14:21

that I have always been that person. What

14:23

was that TV show that always has the

14:25

stings where these guys are talking to like 13

14:27

year old, they think they're talking to 12

14:29

year old girls to catch a predator. I was

14:31

like, Oh, get that bastard. Yeah. On

14:33

board with those things. That

14:36

is disgusting. If

14:38

you listen, I think not, you know my

14:40

feelings on that. This is why I'm not

14:42

in law enforcement because those people deserve to

14:45

go to prison and throw away the key

14:47

when you're hurting a child. But if they're

14:49

too consenting adults, and again,

14:51

there are different levels

14:54

of this. There are women who sex

14:56

work is legitimate work, whether

14:59

or not you agree with it.

15:02

Yeah, your morality aside, right? Josh

15:05

makes a really good point. Actually, he says

15:07

sex trafficking would decrease tremendously if sex work

15:09

wasn't banned or treated the way it was.

15:11

And that's probably true. Because when you write,

15:13

it's like marijuana, when you regulate an industry,

15:16

and you decriminalize it, then there's

15:18

less incentive for the traffic, the trafficking to happen. And

15:20

the other thing I think about is the fact that

15:23

you know, people get sexual gratification and pay for sexual

15:25

gratification in lots of different ways. Like

15:27

feet pictures, right? Ellen, we had this conversation earlier.

15:30

Okay. I was encouraging Raviya to

15:32

sell her pictures if we're ever

15:34

in a pinch. Financially,

15:36

we can always do

15:38

that. Raviya and Ellen

15:40

are hideous. Your wallet

15:42

by selling feet pictures. It's,

15:45

it's not illegal in your feet are quite

15:47

frankly adorable. Like I said, they shouldn't see

15:49

the light of day. However, just don't take

15:51

me down that road. Ellen, I'm already here.

15:53

Just I can't go any further down that

15:55

road. That is very unfair. And something that

15:57

we always have to keep in mind. Listen,

16:00

I find a lot of things on TikTok

16:02

but I like you will find them on

16:04

TikTok and then do my own research but

16:06

you have to remember these content creators are

16:08

getting paid per view per like per click.

16:10

So to make something more salacious is

16:13

within their financial benefit. So

16:16

saying a guy got

16:18

caught with an undercover sex worker doesn't

16:21

really have a ring like

16:23

caught in a sex trafficking

16:25

you know not work which

16:27

is incorrect and unfair. I mean

16:29

far be it for me to protect some

16:31

random white man in Georgia but shame

16:34

on the TikTokers doing it but

16:36

also they're getting their information directly

16:38

from the county because the

16:40

police department is like they

16:43

are they are saying this is part of our

16:45

sex trafficking sting like this is

16:47

this they think this is how they have

16:49

done this thing the sting for them is

16:51

part of their fighting sex trafficking work. So

16:54

that's how they're framing it and people are just accepting

16:56

it and spitting it out and I think bullshit. I

16:58

think did you ever did you follow the Aziz and

17:01

sorry story where a woman came

17:03

out and said she was sexually

17:05

assaulted by him again it was and

17:07

it turned out I was like you're

17:10

actually you're actually perpetuating a

17:12

dangerous narrative. What did it turn out because I

17:14

don't remember I remember that it kind of fizzled

17:16

away. It was a really shitty day. That's what

17:18

he said. I remember that's what he said. It

17:21

was so offensive to women who have

17:28

experienced sexual assault and of course when I

17:30

read it I was like Aziz and sorry

17:32

fucking asshole and then I read more and

17:34

I was like look at me look

17:37

at me automatically hopping on that

17:39

bandwagon when I read her description of

17:41

the night I was like that

17:44

was just a bad date and you

17:46

didn't like him and that's fair but you

17:49

can't but it did it did pretty much ruin

17:51

him in a lot of ways. You can't use

17:54

sex trafficking or sexual assault

17:56

or you can't use those

17:59

words. irresponsibly. My

18:01

guess is, I make me wrong, she

18:03

was probably trying to get some kind

18:05

of settlement out of it. You were

18:07

using the Me Too movement and you

18:09

actually just proved the point

18:11

that look at, see sometimes women lie,

18:14

sometimes women exaggerate. You actually make us

18:16

look worse when you do things like

18:18

that. I actually, so was

18:21

that guy arrested and charged? What were

18:23

his charges? Just pandering? Pandering is his

18:26

charge. I think, I don't know if he's

18:29

been released on bond or something, but it doesn't

18:31

matter. His name and face is all over the

18:33

place as somebody who's like sexatrophic

18:35

or now. There are some words that really

18:37

need to be reigned in. It's like when

18:39

people are like, oh, I'm an empath. I'm

18:42

like, you actually don't know what that means,

18:44

Deborah. You just cry a lot and you're

18:46

a bitch. You're not an empath. Okay. Oh,

18:50

my boyfriend was a narcissist. Was he? Or

18:52

was he just kind of an asshole? Anyway,

18:55

I think, yes, I want to

18:57

look into that. All right. I

18:59

don't know where to start. Should I start

19:01

with the lighter one? Yes. That

19:05

I have a lot to say about or the more true

19:08

crime one that I have a lot to

19:10

say about. The lighter one. All right. Here we

19:12

go, Rabia. All right. That's what I'm saying. Buckle

19:14

up. Rabia, do you know who Matt Rife is?

19:17

I know. Oh, boy. Here we go.

19:20

Okay. So Matt Rife is a

19:23

handsome, by all accounts, cis,

19:25

het man who has

19:28

entered the find out portion of

19:30

the fuck around. So, Rabia, I'll

19:32

give you a really quick overview.

19:35

But handsome, you say I gotta look around. He's

19:38

statistically handsome. He's not my type. He's

19:40

a little too pretty for me. I don't trust

19:42

men that are prettier than me. Oh, yeah. He's

19:44

beautiful. Yeah. But you know what I mean? He's

19:46

like just like a little too pretty. Does everybody

19:48

know who he is? Okay. I'm just looking in

19:50

the chat here. So Matt

19:53

Rife is a comic

19:55

and he gained catastrophic

19:57

popularity on TikTok. And

19:59

he was on shows like Wild and

20:01

Ow, Brooklyn, Nine-Nine.

20:04

And so he just got a

20:06

Netflix special. Now, Rabia, people have

20:09

specials all the time. He's had

20:11

specials, he's had tours, but

20:14

getting a Netflix

20:16

special, that is

20:18

catastrophic, right? So

20:20

he made

20:22

an opening joke. Well, actually, before

20:25

I say that, it should be

20:27

said, his audience is about 85%

20:30

women. And he's gone on several

20:32

podcasts, and he's talked about his

20:34

women audience and how much they

20:36

love him. So his first joke

20:38

was this. I've only been to

20:40

Baltimore one time I ate lunch there, and the

20:42

hostess who like seats you at the restaurant had

20:44

a black eye. A

20:47

full black eye. It wasn't like, what happened?

20:50

It was pretty obvious. What happened? We

20:52

couldn't get over the fact that we're like, this is

20:54

the face of the company? Like, this is

20:57

who you have greeting people? And my boy who I

20:59

was with was like, yeah, I feel bad for her,

21:01

man. I feel like they should put

21:03

her in the kitchen or something when nobody

21:06

has to see her face, you know? And I

21:08

was like, yeah, but I feel like if she

21:10

could cook, she wouldn't have that black eye. Okay,

21:18

so before I launch, the

21:20

other night I was watching the special

21:22

and I was on our close friend

21:24

circle on my I think not Instagram.

21:27

And I kept saying, am I in

21:29

a bad mood? Why do I not think

21:32

this is funny? Because I find his TikTok

21:34

he normally does crowd work, like he'll talk

21:36

to the crowd and he'll have a really

21:38

fast, funny quip. And he's really good at

21:41

off the cuff. But this show wasn't funny.

21:45

And I kept saying, am I you know, when

21:47

you're just like, not maybe I'm not in the

21:50

mood to laugh, but it just wasn't funny. So

21:53

a bunch of people came out and it

21:55

stirred up a big stink about this joke.

21:57

That was like his opening joke. Okay. Now,

22:00

I'll get into the kind of comedy

22:02

that I like. I don't

22:05

mind dark humor, right?

22:07

But everybody was talking about this domestic

22:09

violence joke. So then he took you're

22:11

not going to catch your breath. He

22:14

took to his Instagram and said, if

22:16

you've ever been offended by a joke,

22:18

I've told tap here for

22:21

my official apology to

22:23

solve the issue. When

22:26

you tap the link, it

22:28

brought you to a site that

22:31

sells helmets to

22:34

protect against head trauma for

22:36

individuals with special needs. The

22:44

double down. Okay, now,

22:47

I want to get your perspective on this, but

22:50

I want to say a couple things. I never

22:52

want to live in a

22:55

world where it's socially unacceptable to

22:57

joke around. I love laughing

23:00

at trauma. My

23:03

trauma. Now listen,

23:05

this man, women love

23:08

him. He's handsome. And

23:11

here's the thing. Matt

23:13

Reif hated that. He

23:15

hated it's not that he

23:18

doesn't have trauma. Okay, his dad died by

23:20

suicide when he wasn't even two years

23:22

old. Comedy is so powerful,

23:25

not just in my world.

23:27

I think that comedy can

23:29

teach comedy can open up

23:31

conversations that can start discussions.

23:33

I do believe it can

23:35

have positive social influence. Laughter

23:37

makes us feel better. It

23:40

cures us, even

23:42

just for a moment. But

23:44

comedy is an art

23:46

form. Okay. Because

23:49

I can laugh at dark

23:52

shit. I can domestic

23:56

violence, I

23:58

think is where I do. draw

24:00

the line. However,

24:04

they harkened back to a lot of

24:06

other comedians that use domestic violence. Now

24:08

I want to show you this clip.

24:11

I was just thinking about that. I'm

24:13

like, this sounds like something, like the

24:15

kind of jokes you would have heard like in

24:17

the 80s and 90s. Like, oh, right. Like we

24:20

can harken back to like Andrew Dice Clay. But

24:22

I want to play you a really famous clip.

24:25

And I want you to explain and the

24:27

jury box as well here in the audience.

24:29

I want you to explain why these two

24:31

clips are so different. Because

24:33

I'm going to take you to Eddie

24:36

Murphy. My mom, one of them sisters,

24:38

you don't hit and you can't hit this period. Remember

24:40

in the old days and you could beat up a

24:42

woman. Remember that shit

24:44

back in the 20s guys who smack their wives in

24:46

the movie. And they just go, you

24:50

can't do shit like that. No more women be

24:52

taking aerobics. They'll fuck you up. It's

25:01

scary too, man. Especially a black woman.

25:03

You're the black woman. She lose her

25:05

mind and seriously, they go crazy. You

25:07

can have a real timid sister for

25:09

a girl and smack it. Be like,

25:12

I'm going to kill you

25:14

motherfucker. You

25:18

don't hit me. You don't put your hands in

25:20

my face. My father don't put his hands in

25:22

my face. You don't

25:25

hit me. Baby, please stop. Baby, please

25:29

stop. Stop. Baby, hold up. Stop. Please, please

25:31

calm down, baby. Calm down. You

25:33

don't hit me motherfucker. Just

25:37

get that fuck out. Throw

25:39

you out your own house. You'd be so scared you

25:41

get the fuck out too. That's some shit. You know

25:43

you scared when the women say get the fuck out

25:45

your own house and you leave. Okay.

25:49

So people were saying like, what

25:51

about Eddie Murphy? So the

25:55

thing that Eddie

25:58

Murphy does brilliantly there. is

26:01

he flips the script, right?

26:03

Because in joking,

26:07

there's a whole theory

26:09

in comedy about punching down.

26:12

You know, you never want to punch

26:14

down comedy should be at the expense

26:16

of the perpetrator, not the victim. And

26:19

to me, that's the only way you can

26:21

talk about edgy topics in a funny way.

26:23

I mean, like how has South Park been

26:25

around for 500 years, right? satire,

26:27

but the thing that Eddie

26:29

Murphy does, number one, he's

26:31

a brilliant comedian, but

26:34

he takes the victim and puts

26:36

the victim in the place of power.

26:38

While Matt Rife is like, get back

26:40

to the kitchen. Didn't I already tell

26:43

you once, which that goes back to

26:45

like Jackie Gleason, Pow Zoom, right to

26:47

the moon, Alice, right? Yeah, yeah. And

26:49

maybe she had it and she had

26:51

it coming. Yeah. And Eddie Murphy is

26:53

saying women aren't going to put up

26:55

with this shit anymore. You know, he

26:57

ultimately empowering rather than devaluing

27:00

and you can go back

27:02

to Lenny Bruce, George Carlin,

27:04

Richard Pryor, the legends of

27:06

comedy that use their microphones

27:08

and their platforms to talk

27:10

about shit that is scary

27:13

and hard without

27:16

making women the butt of the

27:18

joke and then doubling down on

27:20

special needs. So there's a

27:22

huge back and forth about

27:24

first of all, the rest of the

27:26

special wasn't funny. Yeah. I'm not like,

27:29

didn't he run this past somebody like

27:31

it? Truthfully, I am not kidding. I

27:33

was shocked at how not

27:36

funny he was. Maybe

27:38

he's only good on like, TikTok or

27:40

something. Yeah. I just like, if you

27:43

use comedy to reinforce

27:46

existing power imbalances,

27:50

you're not funny. Like

27:52

the black eye joke, like fucking

27:54

Jesus was telling that joke at the last

27:56

supper. That joke is so fucking old, you

27:59

know. It's like, and here's the

28:01

last thing I'm gonna say, and then I wanna hear

28:03

your take on it, but like most

28:06

people are not comedians,

28:09

right? There are people

28:11

that are funny. Most people are not comedians.

28:14

And most people, no matter

28:16

what, are gonna be sensitive

28:18

to jokes designed

28:20

specifically to hurt

28:23

them. The way Dave Chappelle

28:25

hurt the trans community. The

28:27

way Andrew Dice Clay hurt

28:29

the LGBT community. The way

28:31

Roseanne Barr hurt the black

28:33

community. And all of those

28:35

people are allowed to

28:37

feel that way. So DV

28:40

survivors are allowed to be hurt by

28:42

Matt Reif. And then there are a

28:44

bunch of people on the internet being

28:46

like, it's a joke. Then you can't

28:48

take comedy. We all wanna laugh at

28:50

the human condition. We all wanna laugh

28:52

at ourselves. But one of

28:55

my favorite standup comedy shows is Kevin

28:57

Hart's laugh at my pain. And

28:59

he laughs at his dad being

29:02

incarcerated, being addicted to drugs and

29:04

his life. But he gives us

29:06

the opportunity because he says it's

29:09

okay to laugh. You can't

29:11

meet us. This hat white

29:13

man standing there talking about

29:15

DV and asking your

29:17

audience to laugh. I

29:20

got my arms. It

29:23

incenses me. What are your thoughts? No, I mean,

29:25

I think you did a masterful

29:27

job of articulating when

29:31

and how it's okay. Like what are the

29:33

boundaries around this kind of dark humor, right?

29:35

Like when is it kosher and when is

29:38

it not? And even

29:40

without saying it, like we, and if

29:42

you are a decent human being, you

29:44

will instinctively react to this clip

29:47

of Matt, like what? But

29:49

react to Eddie Murphy in a different way.

29:52

Because even if you don't know like intellectually,

29:55

what kind of the rules of the game should be, it

29:57

just hits you wrong. And you're exactly right.

30:00

Now if he had gone on, if that joke

30:02

about, you know, the server with black eye had,

30:04

he had somehow turned it around

30:06

and said, well, you know, I'm hoping her

30:08

man was in the back with two black eyes or something like,

30:11

you know, like, right. Right.

30:13

Like then we would have laughed, laughed along with him. But

30:16

you know, some, uh, in the chat, I'm, I'm seeing

30:18

people talking about whether or not Netflix is going to

30:20

take it down. It didn't, Netflix give Chappelle also like

30:22

a couple of extra new specials after

30:24

like all this stuff. You know, I mean,

30:27

so I don't know. People, people still show

30:29

up and laugh. People are

30:31

there. People are laughing in this audience and

30:33

defending him. And that's the problem. And at

30:35

the end of the day, the market will

30:38

speak. We'll see if he gets any

30:40

more shows and who knows? He

30:42

might always have an audience of assholes. Yeah. Laugh

30:45

along with them. You are entitled to that.

30:47

You are entitled to your freedom of speech.

30:50

Just like I am entitled not to like

30:52

it. I just, I'm not, I don't classify

30:55

myself as a comedian. But I love comedy.

30:57

I tell everybody you're a comedian. I'm like,

30:59

my fellow says that. But you know what

31:01

I mean? But like, I just think that

31:04

a laugh shouldn't come at

31:07

the expense of

31:09

someone's identity or

31:11

from a person being attacked, let

31:13

alone a marginalized community, unless they're

31:16

saying it's okay. Ali

31:18

Wong can laugh at

31:20

her Asian family. Mahjibrani laughs

31:22

at his family. John Mulaney

31:25

can laugh at his substance

31:27

abuse disorder. And we

31:29

are allowed to laugh with it because they

31:32

say it's okay. So

31:34

that's when it is

31:36

absolutely okay. But like, I mean, listen,

31:38

my man, you absolutely are entitled to

31:41

do it. But you know who soared

31:43

to the top of

31:45

the comedy mountain? Andrew

31:48

Dice Clay. And you look

31:50

at it and his career crumbled as

31:52

fast as it built up. And

31:55

you know, Andrew Dice Clay said he was

31:57

like playing a character, you know, very Andy

31:59

Komp. Kaufman, Barry, Sam, Kin I

32:51

think he was sick of it. And

32:55

I think he wanted a new demographic and I think

32:57

he got what he asked for. You

32:59

don't know comedy, you can't laugh. You'll be

33:01

at the next Republican National Convention probably. It's

33:14

a crime, Susan. I called you

33:16

Susan Allen. Me

33:20

and Susan Simpson are nothing alike. You're

33:23

nothing alike, but you're both incredible, remarkable women. I

33:25

love you, though. I must miss her. I should

33:27

check in on her. The

33:30

funny thing is I just got an email from

33:32

Colin. Maybe that's why Susan came into my brain.

33:35

No, even though this is not exactly true crime,

33:37

but I do think this is important

33:39

to talk about. It's

33:41

talking about how we talk about domestic violence,

33:43

and we do talk about domestic violence a

33:45

lot. We were

33:47

talking a couple weeks ago about how

33:50

men need to stand up for us,

33:52

but Matt Reif took it upon himself to

33:55

make the actual statistics of domestic violence

33:57

the butt of his opening joke. You

34:00

watch the entire special does he ever go

34:02

on to rehabilitate that like say by the

34:04

way I watched about 40 minutes and I

34:06

was like no no I think this is

34:08

actually not funny and I turned it off

34:10

and then that thing linking to the helmets

34:12

I There's

34:16

a special place in hell for you my man you're

34:18

going to make fun of people with

34:22

Specialty Yeah That's

34:25

a no from me dog real asshole He

34:27

sounds like a like a jerky

34:29

17 year old I mean like

34:32

really like that seems like the level of humor and

34:34

I know nothing about this guy But then so these

34:36

are two clips I'm basing this off over the two

34:38

things and basically an awful But well, I mean the

34:40

market will speak and we'll see how things go for

34:42

him But like I said, this is a sad thing

34:44

about our world that you can kind of find an

34:46

audience for anything Yeah, no matter

34:49

how disgusting it is. There were a couple people in the chat

34:51

and we can we can Talk about

34:53

it another time and he's not the first

34:55

Yeah, you know I listed a couple

34:57

there are so many problematic comedians

35:02

But I but also we don't have to

35:04

watch your specials exactly. Yeah, skip. There's

35:06

so many good ones There's so many amazing.

35:08

There's only yeah. All right.

35:10

Okay, so I Will

35:12

move on to the next story that I have

35:16

and there's not a lot to go on here

35:18

But I do think it's something that's important to

35:20

keep your eye on and that is that the

35:22

mayor of New York City Who

35:24

already has like corruption? I think I

35:27

get corruption investigation again open against him

35:29

has just been accused of a 1993

35:32

sexual assault have you heard about this? Do

35:34

you hear about this? Okay, Eric Adams So

35:36

the plaintiff was sexually assaulted by defendant Eric

35:38

Adams in New York, New York in 1993

35:41

Well, they both worked for the city of New

35:43

York according to a summons filed in the New

35:45

York County Supreme Court So the

35:48

filing alleged sexual assault battery and

35:50

employment discrimination retaliation host a hostile

35:52

work environment and intentional Infliction of

35:54

emotional distress a spokesperson for City

35:56

Hall said the mayor does not

35:58

even know who this person person

36:00

is. If they ever met, he doesn't

36:02

recall it, but he would never do

36:04

anything to physically harm another person and

36:06

vigorously denies any such claim. 1993,

36:09

that's a long time ago. Now,

36:11

what's interesting is that the

36:13

claims, this claim, you would think 1993 to 2023, that's, I don't

36:15

even know, I can't do math. Was that 20 years, 30

36:19

years? That's a lot of years. 30 years.

36:21

That the statute of limitations might have been,

36:24

however, yeah, there is a

36:26

law that was signed just like last

36:28

year on May 2022 called New

36:32

York's Adult Survivors Act. It

36:34

is set to expire like this week. And

36:37

when the law was

36:39

signed, after six months, it went

36:41

into effect and it gave a

36:43

one year window for

36:45

adult survivors of sexual offenses to

36:48

sue their alleged abusers, even

36:50

if the statute, if their statute of limitations

36:52

had long expired. So it's really interesting. It's

36:54

like reopened the statute of limitations this window

36:57

for one year, which is a weird thing to me.

36:59

I don't know. Like it seems so arbitrary to me

37:03

because a lot of people are not keeping on top of

37:05

like legislation and what are the new laws and do I

37:07

have, I mean, I just feel like there's certain things like

37:11

sexual assault, like

37:13

murder that should not have a statute of limitations.

37:16

That's how I feel about this. Anyhow,

37:18

so right now the complaint

37:20

has been filed. I'm guessing

37:22

it's going to open an investigation into him,

37:24

whether or not he's arrested for it and

37:26

charged with it. I don't know. This is

37:28

just an accusation right now. He denies even

37:30

knowing. Now it's not going to be

37:32

hard to prove whether or not this person was a work.

37:34

Cause he's like, I don't even know who that is, but

37:37

this person is saying we work together, which

37:40

would probably mean there are other people who are

37:42

witnesses who also work with them, at least witnesses

37:44

to the fact that they did work together. But

37:47

now maybe Eric Adams doesn't remember this

37:49

particular person. Let me ask you a

37:51

question. Not that the devil needs an advocate because

37:53

he doesn't. I hate it

37:55

when people say that. Does it say

37:57

in what capacity they worked? I

38:00

mean cuz I could I haven't it's 30 years

38:02

ago. I mean, you know, I was oh, yeah

38:05

Yeah, but I could you know, if that was

38:07

something if it was, you know,

38:09

somebody who worked a hundred percent I

38:12

I you asked me who I worked

38:14

with like You

38:17

know 15 years earlier. I won't

38:19

know I don't remember I'll remember faces I remember

38:21

the name but if this is that a person

38:24

who's saying that Eric sexually assaulted

38:26

them, right? Unless unless

38:28

Eric Adams like well, which one

38:30

was she a whole lot of

38:33

them? Yeah, so is

38:35

that I mean 30 years ago you not gonna

38:38

there Rabia there's some

38:40

things I don't my

38:42

20 But I'm not

38:44

defending. I'm just I'm just throwing these

38:46

out there because I actually Not

38:49

that I have any call. I don't love I don't love

38:51

him. He's not a great guy He turned out to not

38:54

be do a very great job so I have no reason

38:56

to defend him but I could see a world in which

38:58

someone's like I Don't know who that

39:00

is. There are people that I here's

39:02

the interesting thing Well, he

39:04

did they do say that he he

39:06

wouldn't he would this is a language

39:09

he would never do anything to physically

39:11

harm another person and Vigorously

39:13

denies any such claim I

39:16

guess that is like as direct as he can be in

39:18

saying I have never said but I I would I

39:20

would be more receptive to His

39:23

his denial if he said I

39:25

have never sexually assaulted anybody in my

39:28

life. Right? This is ridiculous I don't

39:30

know who she is but I've never sexually thought

39:32

and I feel like it's kind of like the

39:34

language is kind of couched and He doesn't

39:37

say that but you know, he's

39:39

saying he denies any such claim so that

39:41

he physically harmed another person I mean, I

39:44

will see I guess we shall see but what I but

39:46

what do you think about the statute of limitations issue? Which

39:48

is kind of also what I want to talk about here

39:50

I think this is a really interesting piece of legislation. I

39:54

Don't understand exactly. I think

39:56

it's it's good to have to give

39:59

you know sexual all assault victims the opportunity

40:01

if they had missed the stash limitations,

40:03

but why make it this weird one

40:05

year window I don't get? That may be

40:07

because they just think it would be, you know,

40:09

too crazy too much. I mean, I think the

40:11

thing that comes up for me is I think

40:13

well, 1993, no emails, no text, no

40:18

ring cameras. I just think it's so hard

40:21

to prove. I understand why people

40:23

don't come forward. And

40:25

I, you know, like with the whole Brett

40:27

Kavanaugh thing, I mean, that woman had all

40:29

kinds of like random paper trails, but not

40:32

everybody has that. It's so much easier to

40:34

say, these were the voicemails he left me,

40:36

these were the texts he left me, these were

40:38

the harassing messages I got. My

40:40

worry is that when cases are

40:42

that old, I understand that the

40:44

trauma might still be there. But

40:47

coming back to putting on your brain for

40:49

a second, how can you prove that legally?

40:52

That becomes complicated. I would

40:54

imagine. Yeah. I mean, look,

40:57

I when I think back to like this, my sexual

40:59

assault, even then, and I

41:01

was in law school when it happened, even then I was

41:03

like, if I go to the

41:05

police, I it's just

41:08

he said, she said, I have no

41:10

evidence otherwise, like I don't. And,

41:14

and so I was like, that and also I just

41:16

didn't want to go through all that. I

41:18

didn't want to deal with I didn't want my family to

41:20

know I didn't want the world to know I didn't want

41:22

to test if I didn't want to do any of that.

41:24

But I did immediately think, whatever

41:26

do I have? You know, I

41:29

don't I never did. And I and that's

41:31

why so many people get away with this

41:33

stuff, because the victims,

41:35

drivers cannot bring forth evidence. I

41:37

will say this, the fact that a claim

41:39

has been actually filed

41:42

through an attorney, assuming only

41:44

means that there's got to be some

41:47

basis, like some foundation, like you can't just go

41:49

to a lawyer and be like, I'm

41:51

telling you this happened, file a complaint, right? There

41:54

has to be some corroborating evidence. So it

41:56

could be contemporaneous witnesses that

41:58

this victim told. at the time,

42:00

so they have affidavits of other people. It could

42:02

be a diary she wrote. There could

42:04

be stuff. Yeah. And I hope

42:07

for her sake, there is. You know,

42:09

if it is all true. Abby makes a

42:11

good point about the statute of limitations in

42:13

the chat. She says, probably because that was

42:16

a compromise from the naysayers, you

42:18

know, saying, Okay, we'll do it, but you know,

42:20

only for a year.

42:22

So, and then someone

42:24

else said in the chat, the Southern

42:26

Baptists are currently fighting to have the

42:28

statute of limitations for child rape because

42:30

they covered up so much. The

42:33

lawsuit in Kentucky has nothing to do with

42:35

them. They're just establishing a precedent. Wow. Yeah.

42:37

Of course. It's if someone, if someone has

42:39

something to hide, they're like, Oh, such of

42:41

limitations has been reached. You know,

42:45

that's, we'll say, do you, since

42:47

you have four, do you want to go or

42:49

do you want me to do another one? The

42:51

fourth one is really, I can just mention it

42:53

because there's not much to say other than just

42:56

tell people this happened. And everybody remember, does anybody

42:58

remember Derek Chauvin? You should know that. Yes, I

43:00

was about, I have this, this was the one

43:02

I cut from my list. Okay.

43:04

Well, I want to mention it. The man got

43:06

stabbed in prison. You know, he is serving, I

43:09

think serving a 21 years or 22

43:12

year sentence for basically murdering George

43:14

Floyd, right? Remember when he sat on

43:16

his neck for nine minutes on camera while

43:18

this man said, I cannot breathe. He

43:21

was stabbed by a fellow prisoner. So I don't

43:23

think it has anything to do with the

43:25

crime he was convicted of. I'm guessing it was

43:27

just like a interpersonal conflict type of thing or

43:29

maybe because it

43:31

wouldn't have taken that long to stab this guy. If it was about

43:33

George Floyd, he was in protect.

43:35

He was in solitary though. Guys

43:38

like that are in solitary. He was in

43:40

solitary before, before he moved in with his

43:42

cell with a cellmate. Yeah. Like this is

43:44

a cellmate who stabbed him. Yeah. No, but

43:46

he was in solitary for a really long

43:48

time. Yes. I agree. I'm surprised it's taken

43:50

this long for him to be stabbed. But

43:52

I also think men like that in prison

43:54

culture, because I know so much about prison

43:57

culture. I do believe they have, it's

43:59

like a trophy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 100% people

44:01

like I mean, I yeah people like that. Well, I

44:03

mean, I just wanted to mention it happened He has

44:05

survived it and so, you know, yeah, it's like the

44:07

guy Larry Nass Larry

44:09

Nassar the he was stabbed

44:12

too You know, so

44:14

I think it's it's less to do about their

44:16

crime and more while he also had a crime

44:18

against children and in prison Men

44:21

who who commit crimes against

44:23

children are usually violently

44:25

hurt in prison Yeah, I don't say I'm

44:27

not here to say that I I advocate

44:30

for that, but I'm not overly concerned. He's

44:32

he survived it He'll be okay strong agree

44:34

So today there is a sentencing

44:36

hearing for a conviction that took

44:38

place in Texas last week And

44:41

I want to tell you a little bit about it before

44:43

I go into thoughts

44:46

on it so on May 9th 2014

44:49

at about 5 45 a.m. A man by the name

44:51

of Marvin Guy Who

44:56

was 49 at the time was

44:58

sleeping in his home and

45:01

the police conducted a no-knock

45:04

Drug-raid so what happened

45:06

was the SWAT teams came in

45:08

they smashed his bedroom window they

45:11

broke into his home through the front

45:13

door with a battering ram and they

45:15

also detonated a tear

45:18

gas grenade and so guy

45:23

The person whose home was being

45:25

invaded Obviously thought that

45:27

he there was an intruder his home

45:29

was being broken into his 545. He was asleep Now

45:33

one of the other reasons besides

45:35

people batting down your home He

45:38

thought it was an intruder about the week before

45:41

One of his neighbors had a break-in

45:44

and she was sexually assaulted

45:47

So guy allegedly

45:50

hit grabbed a forensic

45:53

Expert analyzed that he had a

45:55

torus 9 millimeter

45:57

pistol. I don't know what that is I

46:00

thought it was an ugly car that was made in the

46:02

90s. But he had

46:04

that gun and he shot,

46:07

I think, seven shots. Don't

46:10

quote me on that. But he did

46:12

hit four officers and

46:14

one officer by the

46:16

name of Chuck Dinwiddie

46:19

died from the shot. So

46:21

basically his stance was that

46:24

he was having an invasion

46:26

and he was self-defence.

46:28

He was acting himself. Now

46:31

remember that Texas has to stand

46:33

your ground law, right? You can

46:35

stand your ground in your home

46:38

if you perceive a deadly threat. However,

46:42

that protection is null and

46:44

void if that person is

46:46

engaged in police activity. So

46:49

they came in because

46:51

it was

46:53

a no-knock warrant and they had

46:55

a tip that Guy had been

46:57

dealing cocaine from his apartment, which

46:59

allowed him to break into the

47:01

apartment without identifying

47:03

themselves. Now the prosecution

47:07

attests that Guy

47:09

somehow found out that

47:11

the police were coming to his

47:13

house, set a trap,

47:15

and tried to ambush him, that he

47:17

was waiting in his home with a

47:20

loaded gun to shear the police. That

47:22

is what the prosecution attests. I'm going

47:24

to tell you something I did at

47:26

the end here, but I want to

47:28

get through all these facts. So,

47:31

law enforcement allegedly found traces of

47:34

white powder on his apartment floor,

47:36

in his car, and in his

47:38

trash. Now he was not charged

47:41

with any drug crimes, okay?

47:44

And he has been waiting for

47:46

this trial for almost

47:48

a decade. He

47:51

has been sitting in jail

47:53

waiting. So maybe

47:56

he did have cocaine, but he

47:58

wasn't dealing cocaine. or

48:00

they would have found it. So

48:03

last week he was found

48:06

guilty of

48:08

murder and they

48:11

they had three options.

48:13

The options were capital murder

48:15

murder or manslaughter and they

48:17

came back with murder. The

48:20

jury deliberated for six hours

48:22

and they are actually sentencing

48:24

today. We are recording on

48:26

Monday. Now before I

48:28

tell you what I did I want

48:30

to tell you and ask you this

48:32

question because do you know what the

48:35

clincher witness was for the prosecution? Tell

48:37

me. His widow. Her

48:39

name was Holly and

48:41

she was called to the

48:44

stand and you know

48:46

said. Wait wait wait wait wait

48:48

the the officers widow. The officers

48:50

widow Holly was the last person

48:52

to testify about how he was

48:54

such a wonderful man and he

48:57

worked for the service for 18

48:59

years and in my research

49:01

he does seem like a

49:03

very stand-up dude. He had

49:05

a son and a daughter

49:07

and he absolutely lost

49:09

his life. I have respect for all

49:12

kinds of people. I have

49:14

respect for the good guys. I am

49:16

NOT one of those people that hates all cops.

49:19

Loss of life is absolutely

49:21

tragic but I'm wondering what

49:23

part of the law did

49:26

his wife serve to testify

49:29

other than to leave

49:32

the jury with that

49:34

tug on their heartstrings because

49:36

she had no information, any

49:39

valid information to contribute to

49:42

the case. Why do

49:44

you think other than emotions she

49:47

would have been called to testify for the

49:49

prosecution? Oh that is the only reason. I

49:51

mean she look witnesses are

49:53

supposed to testify to facts. She

49:56

has there's no fact evidence she could give unless she

49:58

was standing there when all this happened or unless

50:01

he called her and with his dying word said

50:03

so-and-so shot right at me and now I am

50:06

dying. You know what I mean? There's no factual

50:08

evidence she could give. That was complete. I'm

50:10

surprised. I

50:13

mean, I'm assuming that the defense did object to presenting

50:15

this witness. Usually the judge will be like, well, what's

50:17

the testimony they're going to offer? Then I'll decide whether

50:19

or not the witness can testify. The judge was told.

50:22

And a judge can do whatever the fudge a judge wants.

50:24

This is the problem. Just don't always follow the law

50:26

or procedure. And

50:28

this seems like an improper witness to me.

50:31

I mean, listen, my heart goes out to

50:33

her. He lost his life,

50:35

but not to not to

50:37

be cold. But that

50:39

is the risk that a

50:42

police officer takes. And it is it's

50:44

horrible. I don't want those children to

50:46

grow up without a dad. It is

50:48

absolutely so devastating. But how

50:51

did she basically made a

50:53

victim impact statement? And they

50:55

put it as a witness. They

50:57

packaged her as a witness. Yeah. I

51:00

mean, I'm guessing since he was recently convicted

51:02

that that might be an issue that they

51:04

appeal on. You know, maybe like it is

51:07

an appealable, you know, if

51:09

there was an objection rate. I want to

51:11

really quickly talk about the DA because the

51:14

prosecution was pushing for the death

51:16

penalty. What? The

51:19

death penalty. And the only reason they

51:21

did it was because the trial had

51:23

been pushed so many times and they

51:25

were just like, no, this is going

51:27

to take so long. So his sentencing

51:29

is today. But

51:32

that's what they concluded with. But I

51:34

want to talk to you really, really

51:36

quickly because I had some questions now.

51:39

The we listen up for any

51:41

of you who are in Bell

51:43

County, Texas. Your

51:45

district attorney's name is

51:48

Henry Garza. Now

51:51

state attorney, whatever you want to call

51:53

him. But his

51:55

job is to, correct me if

51:57

I'm wrong, Rabia, maintain public safety. A DA

51:59

is. there to make sure that

52:02

criminal activity is accounted for,

52:04

it's done correctly, prosecuting the

52:06

right criminals, right?

52:08

That all falls under his

52:10

umbrella. Now, even though they

52:12

had witnesses for the defense

52:14

that came and said that

52:18

there were several tactical errors

52:21

in that SWAT team attack, they

52:23

still went on with their narrative. Now,

52:27

I called Henry

52:29

Garza's office this morning. Of course you did.

52:31

Okay, I want you to

52:33

hear what

52:35

his secretary did. Let me

52:37

just show you because this, I,

52:39

you know, they, they

52:41

are elected officials. So

52:44

listen, I'm, their phone number is listed.

52:46

I'm entitled to call their office. I

52:48

had questions. I

52:50

don't, I'm not, I don't know. It

52:52

probably is because that is one of the things that

52:54

I'm calling about. So that's, that's

52:57

perfect timing. Why

52:59

are you calling about this? Because

53:02

I have questions. Why are you questioning

53:04

me when I'm perfectly well with the

53:07

my constitutional right to ask questions. If you

53:09

would like to put this in an email,

53:11

what is your name? I've

53:15

got your phone number and

53:18

I will find

53:22

out. Yeah. What was the

53:24

first question you asked though, that she's like, why,

53:26

why, why, why are you asking? Oh,

53:28

I said, I have, I said, I have

53:30

some, I have some questions. I literally just

53:33

said I have questions. That's all. Okay. You

53:35

didn't give her any questions. Okay. And then

53:37

she said, I, he's in

53:39

a case pertaining

53:41

to a shot

53:44

police officer. And I said, Oh, the Marvin

53:46

Guy case. And she said, well, I don't

53:48

know. I was like, bitch, Google is free.

53:50

And then she, did you know,

53:52

that's a big case. Did you

53:54

see her hang up on me? She hung up. Yeah.

53:56

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, what? I

54:01

mean what? What's she

54:03

gonna do? Tell me

54:05

the email and say goodbye. I expect

54:07

you work for the government. I

54:09

have a question. He cannot answer my question,

54:12

but I have absolutely have. He doesn't know

54:14

I'm not one of his constituents. Like

54:16

I absolutely have a constitutional right to ask questions.

54:18

He has a constitutional right to not answer me

54:21

if it doesn't pertain to me. Well,

54:24

you know, I'm guessing she hasn't gotten

54:26

a lot of media training, public, you

54:29

know, whatever public. What is it called?

54:31

Public relations training. She

54:34

sounded really like a be a be a be a be a be

54:36

a be a be a. I mean, like she, she, you really messed

54:38

up her day. And it was like early in the morning.

54:42

So this man is going to be sentenced today. He

54:47

people are pounding in your home SWAT

54:50

team. He shot in

54:53

self defense and he is going to

54:55

stay in jail. His family

54:57

thought they were getting their

54:59

brother home today. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

55:02

You know what I think about a lot

55:04

like in these cases is like the

55:06

police will routinely kill shoot

55:08

and kill people they think,

55:11

you know, are armed and dangerous when they

55:13

have nothing but like a bag of Skittles in their hand

55:15

or right. Like, I mean, this

55:17

happens all the time. They're completely protected.

55:20

And the police are supposed

55:22

to be highly trained in situations like this.

55:26

But then you have a civilian whose entire

55:28

house is exploding around them as they

55:30

are asleep and you expect them

55:32

to be like act

55:35

like with their full cognitive capacity.

55:37

Five forty five in the morning. That's

55:39

what I'm saying. As you're sleeping and everything's exploding

55:42

around them. Any one of us would

55:44

explode out of bed and grab the first thing we

55:47

had to defend ourselves. And

55:50

yet for civilians who are not trained

55:52

to deal with these kinds of situations,

55:54

whereas police are, you

55:57

see this over and over again. I

56:00

mean like I it's it's

56:02

infuriating and you know what I'm sorry the

56:04

jury can go jump off a

56:07

cliff They could have they could have come back

56:09

with manslaughter and I think that would have been

56:11

the closest affair But even that murder in this

56:13

case murder Because

56:16

they I look I was sitting there

56:18

waiting He somehow found out that the

56:20

police were coming after him. He was

56:22

not even charged with any drug related

56:24

crimes. I I Listen

56:28

I am sorry for that that

56:30

that man lost his life. He

56:32

was a dad That

56:35

is tragic, but putting that

56:37

man in jail for defending himself does

56:40

not bring that man back I

56:42

mean, we all remember Brianna Taylor's case, right? I

56:44

mean like the first thing I thought about was

56:46

Brianna Taylor Yeah, it

56:49

I could not believe it. I hope

56:51

I hope I'm sure they will appeal

56:53

it I'm hoping the conviction of it

56:55

overturned but listen, it's hard. This

56:57

just reminds me about You

57:00

have said it a million times Elect

57:03

there are so many elected officials

57:05

that people just like pass on

57:07

the ballot page You

57:10

know and you don't at the end of the day This

57:12

DA had all the power to decide

57:14

what to charge this guy with what

57:16

to ask the jury that Narrative that

57:19

he chose to go with and bringing

57:21

up The widow as

57:23

the last of all of his

57:25

witnesses don't tell me they weren't

57:27

leaving the jury You

57:30

know talking about losing her husband of 22 years

57:33

Talking about their kids which

57:36

is sad and she is entitled

57:38

to make a victim impact statement

57:41

Not a witness. She's not a witness. I

57:43

do want to go and look up her testimony because I'm

57:46

wondering if the fact The

57:48

fact she could have testified to would have gone to for

57:51

example What kind

57:53

of officer her husband was what kind of training

57:55

he had something like it Why would you that

57:57

and not like a captain of the PD or?

58:00

someone with law enforcement experience, I mean, that

58:02

is more proper. But I'm wondering if that's

58:04

how they got her in. I'm just like,

58:06

how did they get her in? Like, what

58:08

did they, what does the case

58:11

they made to the judge and say, this is why

58:13

she's relevant to this? I don't know. Although they might

58:15

have not and the judge just didn't care because the

58:17

judge, if the judge is a really

58:19

pro law enforcement officer judge, then they're just not going

58:21

to, they want to throw the book at you anyway.

58:23

So yeah, so I'm definitely

58:25

going to be looking for his

58:27

sentencing and I will come

58:31

back with that. But they were, the

58:33

family was really, really thinking it was going

58:36

to go another

58:38

way. And I listen, if you are

58:40

in, in Texas, Bell

58:43

County, make some noise,

58:45

because there are people out here,

58:48

you have power, you can vote these people

58:50

out. And sometimes these are tiny little elections,

58:52

where like 200 votes can make all the

58:55

difference. I'm not, I'm not kidding. It's, it's

58:57

amazing. If you realize

58:59

how much power these folks have. Yeah. Also, that woman

59:01

can choke for hanging up on me. I was

59:04

very, I was perfectly lovely. I'm never rude. I wonder

59:06

if other people want to make a phone call to

59:08

her. Anyway, you

59:11

can ruin her week girl, I can ruin her week. She's

59:13

gonna be, she's still thinking about you, Ellen.

59:15

I'm gonna make the call. You, you, you

59:18

all she could have said was email him,

59:20

have a nice day. She's entitled to say

59:22

that, you know? But anyway,

59:25

all right, so we'll wrap up with

59:27

this one. It's two stories, but it's

59:29

part of the same story. And that story is that,

59:33

generally speaking, hate crimes reporting, like it's hate

59:35

crimes, which has kind of been spiking for

59:37

quite a while now, like in 2022 last

59:39

year, they went up 7% between 2014 and

59:41

2022. They've been according

59:47

to the FBI, they've been up 50%. And I bring

59:49

this up because the ongoing

59:52

conflict slash massacre in Gaza

59:54

and Israel is really pushing anti

59:59

semester. hate crimes and

1:00:02

and table some hate crimes. Just

1:00:04

last night three students in Burlington,

1:00:06

Vermont, three college students who were

1:00:08

just visiting the city because it

1:00:10

was the holidays, they were of

1:00:12

Palestinian descent, two were American

1:00:15

citizens, one is a resident,

1:00:17

were weighing that in about the scarf, the

1:00:19

Palestinian Kefia, it's that checkered black and white

1:00:21

scarf, and a white guy

1:00:23

shows up and shoots them, fired

1:00:25

four rounds, point blank. All

1:00:28

three so far are, I mean, nobody

1:00:31

died there in critical condition, I think

1:00:33

is what I last heard. They were

1:00:35

just walking down the street, and

1:00:38

this guy showed up, he said nothing, he

1:00:41

just shot and he's being looked for, he

1:00:43

fled on foot. I

1:00:45

don't think it's a coincidence that these three young

1:00:48

men were wearing the Kefia and that's what happened.

1:00:51

And then a couple days before that,

1:00:53

this is actually batshit. I've

1:00:55

been watching these videos for the last two weeks. There's some,

1:00:58

this guy named Stewart, hold on a second,

1:01:00

Stewart Seldowitz, okay. He

1:01:03

is not only, he was a former

1:01:05

Obama official, he was a

1:01:08

acting director for the South

1:01:10

Asia Bureau at the National

1:01:12

Security Council, a career State

1:01:14

Department official. You think somebody

1:01:16

with that much foreign experience,

1:01:18

foreign policy, diplomacy experience is going to be pretty

1:01:22

broad-minded. He apparently walked past, there's like in

1:01:24

New York, some halal carts. Yeah. Oh, you

1:01:26

know, the halal carts are everywhere, right? That

1:01:28

video went viral. It went quite viral. Yeah.

1:01:30

So he, every time he'd show up, and

1:01:32

like this poor guy's just trying to make

1:01:34

a sandwich, this is gyros, whatever, shawarma.

1:01:37

And he would just keep going on and on saying

1:01:39

horrible things, like 4,000 dead

1:01:41

Palestinian babies. That's not enough. I mean,

1:01:44

really saying some horrible things to this

1:01:47

one poor guy who just was like there

1:01:49

every day. And the guy's being really polite

1:01:51

to him saying, please go, I'm working. Anyhow,

1:01:53

he was actually arrested and charged

1:01:55

with, he pled not guilty, but he was

1:01:58

charged with two counts of four degrees. hate

1:02:00

crime stalking and second

1:02:02

degree of aggravated harassment. He

1:02:04

was released without any bail because of course he

1:02:06

would be. But um, you know what

1:02:09

I what I what I love about the story

1:02:11

is the fact that in one of those videos

1:02:13

he goes, I can say what I want. I'm

1:02:15

an American citizen. You go back to Egypt and

1:02:17

the matu rat like the police

1:02:19

will get you and this bitch

1:02:21

got arrested for the shit he was saying.

1:02:24

It was really aggressive and

1:02:26

he was kind of doing it

1:02:28

very snarky. It was very holier than

1:02:30

thou. Like, do you speak English? It

1:02:33

was very condescending. It was really shitty.

1:02:35

So it was like he was kind

1:02:37

of smiling which made it a little

1:02:40

demonic because he seemed demented. He seemed

1:02:42

crazy like his crazy eyes. And you

1:02:44

seem to like that in New York

1:02:46

all the time. Like New York is

1:02:49

full of liberal people and there's also

1:02:51

black jobs that will just talk and

1:02:53

you're like, what are you saying right

1:02:56

now? And they're not dangerous looking

1:02:58

whatever that means like he's like an

1:03:00

old like dude

1:03:02

you'd see on the Upper West Side. Yeah, he looked perfect.

1:03:05

I mean like I look at him and I think yeah,

1:03:07

he looks like somebody worse for the State Department as a

1:03:09

career official. You know, he's just

1:03:11

very normal normal. But anyhow, that

1:03:13

is another fuck around and find out story that we got.

1:03:16

Yeah, let's see what happens to him. There's a

1:03:18

lot of people in that stage in the find

1:03:20

out stage. Yeah, which that's what we're here for.

1:03:22

This is what we're here for. But

1:03:25

I think that wraps it up for this

1:03:27

episode of About Damn Crime. And if you

1:03:29

ever have a story you would like for

1:03:31

us to cover that is local to you

1:03:34

or you think should get a little bit

1:03:36

more attention, or that you just find fascinating,

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you can always DM us, you can send

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us messages on our Facebook group, you can

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also post it in our Facebook group to

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get those discussions going. And

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what else can they do, Raviya, to engage and

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interact with us? Take it away. You got this.

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They could join our Patreon. We

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have all kinds of levels and

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they could join us on live

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like watching shows together. Look at the

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camera. Look at the camera. Look

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at the camera and then don't say um. You could

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be on the spot every week. Don't say um because

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then we're gonna. I don't know why I don't want

1:04:12

to write this down. Okay. Follow

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us on social media on Instagram. We

1:04:17

don't tweet a lot anymore. Do we Ellen? No.

1:04:21

Not really. Oh yeah. You

1:04:23

too. Are you too, channel? What? You

1:04:26

can't say um. Stop saying um. Okay. We're

1:04:28

just gonna edit that out. No. Okay.

1:04:32

Yeah. I said I lose my mind.

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I need you to subscribe. Listen. Christmas

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is around the corner. I do not celebrate. By the way, I gotta

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tell you a story about Yaseen before we end. So

1:04:41

Yaseen, our neighbors all got the Christmas lights

1:04:43

up. Yaseen, my son who's six years old is like,

1:04:45

mama, the only two holidays I celebrate are Halloween and

1:04:47

Christmas. And I go, we don't

1:04:49

celebrate Christmas, Yaseen. And he goes, you

1:04:52

don't celebrate Christmas. I celebrate Christmas. I'm

1:04:54

like, alright, bring it. So

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anyhow, all I want for Christmas is our ratings

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to go. We have like a, why do we have a 4.3? What

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is wrong with people? Get out there. Go

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subscribe, rate, review. Give us a five star. I don't

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look at the reviews but a lot of it

1:05:09

is probably. I don't read them. It's probably Scott

1:05:11

Peterson. We got slammed with those one stars. There

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was like a hundred one star reviews from the

1:05:15

Scott Peterson. In one day. Yeah.

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So um, if you love us, get back on there. And

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I think you can do it over and over. Like every day just

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go in and be like, I don't think you can. I don't think you

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can review it more than once. Can

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you? I don't know. But

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do it. Review us five stars. And

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if you don't have five stars to give,

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we'll find another podcast that you want to

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talk shit about. I'm sure there's tons of

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them, but I will take it from here,

1:05:39

Rabia. You can find us, Rabia and Ellen

1:05:42

on all platforms. We are most active on

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Instagram and our Facebook group. Our Facebook group

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is a closed discussion group. It is a

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private group. It is really just lovely. We

1:05:50

chat. Sometimes we talk about silly stuff. A

1:05:52

lot of times you talk about true crime

1:05:55

and what we covered in the episode. And

1:05:57

we do. We take a lot of the stories from you and

1:05:59

we. I just love engaging with you

1:06:02

and we have some fun stuff

1:06:04

coming up. Are we going to plan a tour, Raviya?

1:06:06

Sure. Let's start that rumor. So

1:06:08

that be sure. No, no, we're just

1:06:10

manifesting. We're putting it in the universe. I want

1:06:12

the tour bus. I just really want a tour bus and

1:06:14

I want to be trapped in a tour bus with Ellen and

1:06:18

other podcasters. That's going to be amazing.

1:06:20

But thank you so much for tuning

1:06:22

into About Damn Crime this week. Be

1:06:24

sure you tune in next week where

1:06:27

we talk with Hillary Burton about her

1:06:29

favorite case. And let me

1:06:31

tell you, this woman, she knows

1:06:34

just as much of us, if not more about her

1:06:36

case. So you're not going to want to visit. We

1:06:39

were meeting Ellen right. Tell us more. Tell us more. It

1:06:42

was amazing. Thank you so much.

1:06:44

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