0:00

Hi, Rabia. Hey,

0:08

gorgeous. How

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are you doing? Good.

0:19

How are you? Good. Good.

0:22

I'm coming to you from this very bouncy room, which

0:24

Casey is probably going to hate, but I

0:26

am in Colombia, the country. What time is it

0:28

over there? Are you at the same time zone? So what's crazy is

0:30

when I got here, we were on the same time, but they don't

0:32

spring forward. So

0:36

it's 10 10 here. It's

0:38

11 10 there. They're

0:40

normal. Yeah, they're normal. So

0:43

we were on the same time. And then it was

0:45

so crazy because when you said we were changing to

0:47

11, I was like 11. Oh, wait, no, that's 10.

0:49

Oh, we're recording at 11. Listen on Rabia

0:51

and Ellen's not the case. We

0:54

make it work because it's

0:56

Ramadan, baby. And I feel like

0:58

it was just Ramadan a month ago. Tell

1:01

the people what happens during Ramadan other than

1:03

I always seem to call you when you're

1:06

walking in or out of a mosque. It's

1:09

kind of in the mosque so much we start fasting

1:11

tomorrow. Tomorrow's our first fast. The month begins when the

1:13

sun goes down. So every night in Ramadan, there are

1:15

these extra because we pray five times a day, but

1:17

that's not enough. And Ramadan, we need one more set

1:19

of prayers and they happen at night in the mosque.

1:21

So that's where I'm at. How long do these prayers

1:23

last? Are

1:26

you like, dear Lord, please

1:28

pray for Ellen's eternal soul?

1:33

I can ask the Imam to do that. They're congregational

1:35

prayers. They last about an hour per prayer. No,

1:38

no, no, no, no, no, no, no. The five prayers we

1:40

say a day take like three minutes each. Like I'm

1:42

not kidding. Like three minutes you're done. Okay. But

1:45

these special Ramadan prayers about an hour a

1:47

night and like tonight the mosque was packed.

1:50

It's like, you know, everybody packs in there. I didn't save the

1:52

whole hour. I did 30 minutes and I said, come on, kiddo,

1:54

let's get out of here. You got school. So I'm trying not

1:56

to do an hour every night. I'll probably, I just stay for

1:58

a little bit of it, but we. do get together

2:00

at the mosque every night to break the fast

2:02

together so that's like at 730 and then you're

2:04

there to like 930 10 until yeah so it's

2:07

like we

2:09

eat together then we keep praying together we

2:11

have I know it sounds like a terrible

2:13

for especially a lot of fun and the

2:15

kids have fun and like we're hanging out

2:17

every night it seems like an

2:19

excuse to eat with your pals there's that too

2:21

I mean like there's a lot of food involved

2:24

in our month of fasting buckle up everyone

2:26

what are you praying for I'm praying

2:28

for this podcast is what I'm praying for

2:30

Ellen you know

2:33

I'm praying for the health and

2:35

longevity of this podcast we'll

2:37

see a paycheck that's right what if you do

2:39

the introduction since we're on the main feed and

2:41

you have the good microphone go on Robby I did

2:44

the introduction sure it's like a test I'm being tested I

2:46

don't think I've done this before but you say you don't

2:48

like it on our very first one you're like I don't

2:50

want to do all that talking at the beginning in the

2:52

end yeah it's very formal I need it to be scripted

2:54

but here I go hi welcome

2:56

listeners this is Rob yeah I'm

2:58

here with Ellen Marsh and this is our about

3:00

damn crime episode which we do every other week

3:02

interspersed with our regular episodes where we do deep

3:05

dives on cases with celebrity guests but on about

3:07

damn crime what we do is we talk about

3:09

crazy stuff has been going on in the news

3:11

in crime into a crime and I don't know

3:14

sometimes it feels like it's not true crime but

3:16

you know truth is stranger than fiction that's what

3:18

we're here for today also we actually do this

3:20

every single week because guess what the crime don't

3:22

stop they don't stop for two weeks it happens

3:25

every week people keep priming and so we keep

3:27

talking about crimes on about damn crime on a patreon

3:29

every single week so you can get it here on

3:31

the main feed every other week or if you got

3:33

to have it every single week because you know we

3:35

bring so much fun to these crimes and check us

3:37

out on our patreon are there other things on

3:40

the patreon where

3:43

is HR I need HR

3:45

fuck this shit

3:48

we do all kinds of things on the patreon we do a

3:51

speak pipe episode so I feel like we haven't done in a

3:53

bit I want to do that you can leave us big

3:55

pink messages and we play your messages respond

3:57

to them we do a couple more things where

3:59

we follow up on our main episodes because there's so

4:01

much more we want to talk about like in the cases

4:03

that we do deep dive. Sometimes we have amazing guests

4:05

on those episodes too that are related to the

4:08

case which is always very exciting. We

4:10

organized discord watch parties for documentaries. We

4:12

just watched the Wendy Williams documentary. That

4:15

was hard man. Rabia left halfway through.

4:17

She went got two episodes in. Most

4:19

of us did the long haul. We

4:21

did the full four episodes. Did you

4:24

do all four? I had to and

4:26

you know what I'm actually really glad

4:28

I did because the last episode had

4:31

a lot of closure with the family

4:33

where we realized that she

4:36

really is a victim of the

4:38

guardianship. It's not a conservatorship. It's different than

4:41

a conservatorship. Who is the guardian all of

4:43

it and all this? This white lady from

4:45

New York. What? Okay she had not entered

4:47

the scene in episode two. No she

4:49

does she never comes on. She never comes on.

4:51

They tell us about her so I'm

4:53

actually glad I stuck it out. It

4:55

was a hard watch because you were

4:58

watching somebody who's on a health demise

5:00

a mental health demise and nobody is

5:02

giving you answers and you feel like

5:05

everyone is talking around the subject and

5:07

it feels very invasive. That's what it

5:09

was. I felt deeply uncomfortable as we

5:12

were watching you know as

5:14

we do it on watch parties we've got a

5:16

chat going and we're talking about how she loves

5:18

media. She wants attention. She wants to be back

5:20

in the spotlight but she's clearly not well. I

5:22

don't think she has a capacity to consent

5:24

so whatever consent she might have given to

5:26

make this documentary if I was her legal

5:29

guardian I'd argue she does not have the

5:31

capacity to give consent and that's why I

5:33

was so deeply uncomfortable. I think about if

5:35

Wendy Williams had been healthy watching Wendy Williams

5:38

in this documentary she would have been like

5:40

no don't let the world see me like

5:42

that. So Wendy is famous for saying I

5:44

know people are going to

5:46

talk about me and that's okay because I've

5:49

made a career of talking about people you

5:51

know when she was going through her

5:53

very public divorce and her ex-husband

5:55

was having a baby with his

5:57

mistress that whole thing. But that Wendy could

6:00

not have imagined this one day,

6:02

right? Like, right. So in my

6:04

mind, I was sort of qualifying

6:06

it with that Wendy, and then

6:08

realizing how far she had come.

6:10

It was very upsetting. Were you

6:12

there for the black China conversation?

6:14

No. Okay, so you missed probably

6:16

the best conversation of the documentary. Oh,

6:18

shoot. Okay, fine. I'll go back and watch three and

6:20

four. I think that was on Episode Three.

6:22

Long story, probably way longer, because

6:25

I'll make it longer. Black China

6:27

became her very dear friend, and

6:29

you actually watch her sit there

6:31

with Wendy. And to me, I

6:33

really saw her wheels turning, realizing

6:36

that there was something wrong. They had

6:38

some very tender moments and Wendy

6:40

took off her wig and was very

6:43

exposed. And black China, I'm sorry, I'm

6:45

blanking on her real name, just sort

6:47

of held her and brushed her hair

6:49

and said she was beautiful. By the

6:51

way, Yeah. So

6:55

what did I say? Are you

7:01

in pain? Non

7:06

cure. Are you in pain though?

7:09

No. No pain at all. Yeah, I've

7:11

got both feet. And

7:15

by the way, I work two

7:17

makeups. I'm

7:28

real makeup. So beautiful. She's

7:37

been in the headlines a lot. You've been concerned about

7:39

her? Right. Concerned, yes.

7:42

And that's what I had to like really lay eyes on

7:44

her and then really see how she's doing and like let

7:46

her know and feel like my love, you know? It

7:49

was a very beautiful

7:51

sisterhood moment of

7:54

friendship. It was the most

7:56

at peace that I personally

7:58

saw Wendy's face. She

8:00

sort of relaxed and she for a

8:02

moment almost snapped back to her

8:05

old self. It was a very beautiful Conversation

8:08

if nothing else go back for that

8:10

conversation. Thank you. Josh in the chat

8:12

is saying her name is Angela white. Sorry about

8:14

that Oh, yeah, that's another thing if

8:16

you're on our patreon, you can actually sit on

8:18

while we record live So we have a chat

8:20

going we have folks joining us to probably as

8:23

intro is gonna go throughout this whole episode So

8:25

I hope everyone is oh right and another thing

8:27

I forgot to say see Rambia. It's not it's

8:29

not so easy Is that that's why I always

8:31

love to do you're a pro Ellen Marsh? You're

8:35

a pro. I've only been doing this for like seven

8:37

or eight years I'm not very good

8:39

at it yet the podcasting shit But

8:42

I one more thing about this and we can move on from

8:44

Wendy Williams Because this came up a couple of times

8:46

in the chat and the first two episodes was the fact

8:48

that how she Spent her career

8:50

like really exposing and kind of humiliating

8:52

others. I didn't follow her Closely, so

8:54

I didn't know I just knew she had a talk

8:57

show and she was really popular and she seemed peppy

8:59

and fun Did you know about her radio show? Yeah,

9:01

she had a very very famous syndicated radio show. That's

9:03

how she came up was in radio Oh,

9:05

okay. I thought she did like TMZ light

9:08

type of stuff or the view type of

9:10

stuff You know, I didn't know that she

9:12

could get vicious. She had a famous Uncomfortable

9:16

interaction with Whitney Houston. She was

9:18

there exposing a lot of Whitney

9:20

Houston struggles her mental health struggles

9:23

Perceptions abuse disorder struggles. Do you regret

9:25

the ancillary interview? No, why should I

9:28

well, I didn't exactly show you in the best

9:30

light You don't think you don't

9:32

say you're something the best like people to listen to you Let me

9:35

as far as you stand with

9:37

drug use is there drug use going on

9:40

at this present time Who are you talking

9:42

to you Whitney? Yeah, you're not talking to

9:44

me. I'm a mother Oh, my mother has

9:46

committed information. You talk to your child about

9:49

that. Ask me those questions like how much I About

9:52

her what was she gonna be confronting a what

9:54

she got to deal with and and me

9:57

like I'm a child I'm gonna try Wendy. My child

9:59

is a little and I will talk to

10:01

him about drugs. Don't talk to me about

10:03

that. But listen, Whitney, I

10:05

will talk to my son about drugs

10:07

because I have been where the world

10:09

speculates where you are, which is, I

10:11

was a full-blown cocaine addict. Well, you're

10:13

wrong, not mine. Move on. Well,

10:16

you know, that was my problem, Whitney. Did you ask God

10:18

to help you? No, I

10:20

managed, thank God, because I have a

10:22

good man. Thanks a lot. So thank

10:24

God I was able to just rise up above it

10:26

and quit. Oh, I asked it.

10:29

Listen, I am not saying what goes around comes

10:31

around. I'm not saying that. Yeah. But

10:34

I do think a lot of people are

10:36

pushing that narrative. My narrative for

10:38

watching it, other than morbid curiosity,

10:41

was to see with my own eyes, I'm

10:43

never going to just click something and agree

10:45

with it, if these documentaries

10:47

have gone too far with

10:50

exploiting people, their troubles, their

10:52

struggles, and their ultimate decline,

10:54

you know, her health decline, you know.

10:56

I wonder for people who, like you,

10:59

know very well about her

11:01

career and kind of

11:03

know what she put other people through, did

11:05

the documentary still serve to, like, make you

11:07

empathize with her still? I think

11:10

if you didn't walk away with

11:12

a massive level of empathy for her,

11:15

then there is something very wrong with

11:17

you, other than the fact that it

11:19

was very clear that she has dementia.

11:22

A lot of people have said

11:24

it is alcohol-induced dementia because she

11:26

has suffered with her alcohol use,

11:28

her substance use. Yeah. Something

11:31

she has been very open with. She

11:34

has shared her life very vulnerably. And

11:36

that's sort of the part of me

11:38

that didn't write Wendy Williams off, is

11:41

kind of a loudmouth bitch, you know. People

11:43

sort of made her out to be. She

11:45

also was very honest with her

11:47

life and her son. I mean, listen,

11:50

you had to have done something right

11:52

to have a son so sweet

11:54

and caring and soft-spoken and soft-hearted.

11:56

Yeah. I'm glad I

11:59

walked away with you. but I

12:01

understand why people like you might have turned

12:03

it off, and I understand why people might

12:05

not want to watch it. I did follow

12:07

her career. When I used to have time

12:10

to see Broadway shows, I used to say,

12:12

it's just as important to see a good

12:14

musical as a bad musical. Interesting. You should

12:16

see everything. You can't appreciate the good if

12:18

you don't see the bad. So I feel

12:20

like whenever you see a bad

12:23

documentary or maybe an exploitive documentary, how

12:25

can you know if you're just seeing the

12:28

good or the bad? I kind of think

12:30

it's a little bit of my, I don't

12:32

want to say job, but a little bit

12:34

of my responsibility as someone who lives in

12:36

this world to see it all. Right. I

12:39

don't know. Oh,

12:41

no, I do think it was. Oh, it was? Oh, I do think

12:43

it was exploitive. Okay. I got a little

12:45

bit of understanding and closure from

12:47

the fourth episode. I'm going to be glad I

12:49

watched it, but I still don't think it should have been made. Ah,

12:52

okay. Does that make sense? Yes. I

12:55

am happy I watched it because I

12:57

learned a lot, mostly about documentary filmmaking

13:00

and those rules and those gray

13:02

areas. It's like, how can you take a

13:04

woman who has millions of dollars and her

13:06

family doesn't have access to it, but someone

13:09

else does, but it's not a conservatorship and

13:11

people aren't saying what she had. It's very

13:13

confusing. It was exploitive. I

13:15

don't think it should have been made. Okay. Wow. I

13:18

don't know. I would like to hear other people. Anyway, we had a

13:20

watch party. That was a long way of saying we had a watch

13:22

party. A lot of people are talking about it. I

13:25

don't agree with the people. There is a big narrative

13:27

online that, well, you know, we can talk about her

13:29

because she talked about us. I

13:33

don't know if somebody's

13:35

private mental decline

13:38

is really inbounds. I was just

13:40

so uncomfortable and I felt

13:42

so heartbroken watching her and

13:44

not knowing much about her

13:47

body of work anyways, but just the whole thing

13:49

felt really... And you know what? If you also

13:51

believe it was... If it felt at the end

13:53

of the day exploitive anyways, then maybe it's good

13:55

I did that after two episodes. I would watch

13:57

that Angela White, Black China conversation. It's Really beautiful.

14:02

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14:04

podcasting I didn't know we would become

14:07

kind of our own little mini businesses.

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15:24

that sounds. So

15:32

without further. Ado As we know

15:34

that was way too much. Do I

15:36

know? Exactly what story of in a cover. So

15:38

for if you listening for the first time Rabbit

15:40

and I never know what stories were going to

15:42

bring to about the of crime I bet you

15:44

don't you're covering his in one of your stories

15:46

riot. He tells the sp yeah okay, I wasn't

15:49

gonna mention that, but I will. I literally was

15:51

going to mention of. Don't consider a

15:53

mob a hall of. amen

15:56

to that of it so there's been

15:58

a yet another update the scott Anderson

16:00

case and I didn't even know about this except

16:02

for when Ellen excitedly sent me links

16:04

showing that, right? You're so excited about

16:06

this case. Well, excitedly or

16:09

the fear of God because

16:11

we are named in the articles. Yes, we

16:13

are named in the articles as folks who

16:15

brought media attention to the fact that he

16:17

might be innocent, which he was, listen, I

16:19

am going to own that, Ellen. We need

16:21

to own this. But look, I have to

16:23

give credit where credit's due also. I did

16:25

not even ever consider he might be innocent

16:27

until I saw the documentary that was made

16:29

a while ago about the whole case. But I'm

16:31

glad that was our premiere episode. And if you

16:33

haven't heard it, go and listen to our very

16:35

first episode of Robin Ellen's solve the case. It's the

16:38

episode in which we did not have a guest on

16:40

it. We just wanted to talk about a case that

16:42

we wanted to talk about. And we heard with Scott

16:44

Peterson and made the case that he's innocent. And in

16:46

the process, we collected haters, skaters,

16:49

and motivators because

16:51

the hate mail we got Facebook pages

16:54

made about us. We got blogs written

16:56

about us. I've never felt so popular

16:58

and scared. It was a little hairy.

17:00

There was a weird universe when you

17:02

do like wrongful conviction work, innocence work,

17:05

there's this weird universe of people who

17:07

have nothing to do with the case, who

17:09

are complete strangers to it have nothing personal

17:11

at stake, but they devote their lives and

17:13

their every waking hours to be like, Oh,

17:15

that person is guilty and ask you for

17:18

trying to be an advocate for that person.

17:20

All Amanda Knox has those haters like the

17:22

West Memphis three have their like, and it

17:24

might be all the same people. I don't

17:26

know. Anyhow, we got our share of hate.

17:29

Well, a year after we did that episode, guess what?

17:31

The innocence project was like, we're going to represent him.

17:33

That's a big deal. In a sense, project of LA

17:35

of LA, make sure you're clear because we got

17:37

hate for that too. No, people don't

17:40

because people don't know how that works.

17:42

People don't understand how that works. The

17:44

innocence project is an umbrella organization. And

17:46

then states have chapters. People think they're

17:48

so smart. And they're like, touching you

17:50

with something like guess what? It's not

17:52

the official innocence. They're all connected because

17:54

it's a network people. The innocence project

17:56

is actually this. All they do is

17:58

provide support. They provide. I know the people

18:00

who founded it and then the states have chapters and

18:02

they're all connected. But they're all independent.

18:04

They're not like one big franchise. So just hold

18:07

your horses. It doesn't matter. The LA

18:09

Innocence Project is still a big, big deal. Any Innocence

18:11

Project to take your case is a big deal. So

18:13

they took it, they're taking the case and guess what?

18:15

They have a hearing I think this week. What they've

18:17

done is they've asked for further DNA testing in this

18:20

case. They have brought forth some new evidence suggesting that

18:22

there is apparently a hammer that

18:24

was left behind at the scene of a burglary

18:26

that took place across the street from Scott and

18:28

Lacey Peterson's house. And they think that hammer could

18:30

potentially have Lacey's DNA on it. And then there

18:33

was a burnt out van that had mattress on

18:35

it, a mattress in it,

18:37

like about a mile away from their home

18:39

that was found a couple of days later.

18:41

They want that DNA tested. So they're looking

18:43

for some real physical forensic evidence to show

18:46

that like Lacey's disappearance had something to do

18:48

with that burglary across the street, the Medina

18:50

burglary, burglary I can't say that. There's another

18:52

part of that. The defense lawyers

18:54

also pointed out that there might

18:56

have been other robbers besides those

18:59

two because in 2022 two witnesses

19:01

came forward to report that a

19:03

man who had previously been referred

19:05

to in court documents as DM

19:08

also robbed the house, the Medina's

19:10

and took part in Lacey's abduction

19:12

after she caught them mid crime.

19:14

So not only are they going

19:16

to be demanding DNA testing from

19:19

the cloth, from that blood stained

19:21

mattress, the one that was found

19:23

on Christmas day in 2002 from

19:25

the burnt out van,

19:28

but they're also going to have

19:30

more additional testing of the tarp

19:32

and the plastic bag debris that

19:34

was found on the shore near

19:36

Lacey and Connor's body. Because now

19:38

obviously they're able to get more

19:40

advanced, more discriminating DNA testing. And

19:43

so they're going to go ahead

19:45

and do this. So it is

19:47

a long road, but all

19:49

of this could exonerate him. And

19:52

I am most, most curious. I'm not going to

19:54

lie to find out if this

19:56

whole time there was another robber.

19:59

My theory has always. been, well not always, but my

20:01

theory in the last few years has been that

20:03

more people know information. There's no way that

20:05

something this big happened and only these two,

20:07

especially like if you're talking about like local

20:09

petty thieves, right, or if there's any kind

20:12

of trafficking going on, like organ trafficking going

20:14

on because we know the way that her

20:16

body was found literally depleted of

20:18

every single organ in her body, that the

20:20

more people know about this. Number one. Number

20:23

two, I want to talk a little bit

20:25

about like the standard. So every state in

20:27

the country has on the books a statute

20:29

that gives defendants the right to ask for

20:31

DNA testing. It does not give them the

20:34

right to get it. It gives them the

20:36

right to ask for it. And it's quite

20:38

an uphill battle because what you have to

20:40

prove to the judge, it's kind of a

20:42

weird convoluted standard because you have to prove

20:45

to the judge that it's more likely than

20:47

not that the DNA will help prove this

20:49

person's innocence. So you have to make a case

20:51

for their innocence to begin with that's strong enough

20:53

for the judge to be like, okay, the DNA

20:55

testing is going to like actually help prove their

20:57

already existing theory. So it's really hard. I mean,

20:59

like there have been cases in which people fought

21:01

for like six, seven years to get their DNA

21:03

tested, the state fights back. So I am assuming

21:05

the state is going to fight back on this

21:08

or is fighting back. I haven't seen any of

21:10

the briefs. I'm going to try to find them

21:12

this week. They've been comment on them next week.

21:14

It is totally uphill. What could really help us

21:16

along is for them to find another witness, find

21:18

another robber, find one person to speak. You

21:20

can get an affidavit. That's new evidence. Get

21:22

something like that in front of a judge

21:25

that is very strong evidence to help support

21:27

their petition to get DNA testing. Once the

21:29

DNA is tested, let's say they actually find

21:31

stuff that they believe is exculpatory for Scott

21:33

and inculpatory for somebody else that still doesn't

21:36

guarantee the judge will overturn the conviction,

21:38

but you're much closer to that. Right.

21:40

And to anybody who disagrees with us,

21:42

I don't want to say anti Scott

21:44

Peterson, because at the end of the

21:46

day, we're all pro Lacey and Connor,

21:48

we are actually all on the same

21:50

side to anyone who is upset and

21:52

sort of shaking their fists in the

21:54

sky and yelling and screaming. This is

21:57

the way to get the result that we all

21:59

want. That's. of what I have said

22:01

this whole time. The man is already in prison.

22:03

He ain't going nowhere. Like, what are you upset

22:05

about? But there are people who are like, it's

22:07

done. It's done. It's like, well, but if it's

22:10

not, that's what I have always said. If you

22:12

believe, if you are willing to go to Vegas

22:14

and bet your home and bet your farm that

22:16

he is guilty, then great. He's exactly

22:18

where he is supposed to be. And

22:21

guess what? The DNA results might prove

22:23

it. Fine. Hold your horses. He ain't

22:25

going nowhere. And that is fine. So

22:27

the people who then push back, mostly

22:29

the people who were threatening my

22:32

life in my DMs, you know we're all

22:34

on the same side. At the end of

22:36

the day, all on the same side. We

22:38

all want the right person in jail. We

22:41

all want justice. They don't. They're crazy. Here's

22:43

my question for people like that. It's like,

22:45

do you really think there are people out

22:47

there who are like, I think this

22:49

guy's a murderer, but I want him out? Like, who

22:51

thinks like that? Who would do that? Who would do

22:53

that? He is my husband. We

22:56

are in a relationship, and the

22:58

Peterson family is funding my vacation

23:00

in Bogota, Colombia. That's

23:02

the clip that's going to go viral. And

23:04

you know who? Prosecutors are going to make

23:06

an entire podcast based on that soundbite. Yeah,

23:08

great. And then everybody like and subscribe and

23:10

follow. I'll take one for the

23:12

team, Rabia. It's fine. So let's see where this goes.

23:14

I think the hearing, status hearing is on like

23:17

in a day, Tuesday, two days. What

23:19

will we know on Tuesday? We will know if the

23:21

judge basically just lets the petition proceed. Okay. That's all

23:24

we're going to know. And they're going to basically make

23:26

their case, you know, at a hearing in front of

23:28

the judge. And we're going to see if the judge

23:30

says, okay, I'm going to let the DNA get tested.

23:32

I don't know if he or she will rule in

23:34

that moment or if it'll be later. I honestly never

23:36

know with this stuff. So yeah, we'll

23:38

see. But you know, all I want to do is

23:40

be like, I told you so. I told you so.

23:42

We told you so. We told you so. Anyway, that

23:44

is an update. All that stuff just came out like

23:46

two days ago. I can't believe I had to tell you

23:48

about that, Rabia. Yeah, I can't believe it either. I

23:50

was like, can you can you guys reject

23:53

our names from those articles? No,

23:55

I want to highlight that Jill goes. Everyone knows OJ

23:57

is a murderer, but one of them freed anyway. Who

24:00

wanted him free? I did. Not everyone,

24:02

but I think I know he would talk about

24:04

jail, but that's a whole different thing. Who?

24:07

Many of his supporters, people who thought he was happy to

24:09

acquittal, was black community, but that's because of this historic... You

24:12

know, they're like, you've taken enough of our good... You

24:14

know what I mean? Like, give us a win once.

24:16

It was not about OJ

24:18

or Nicole Simpson. It was about something

24:20

completely different. I got you. Well,

24:23

we'll keep our eye out for that one. I'm

24:25

sure we'll talk more about it no matter how

24:27

much I kick and scream. I'm making my pitch

24:29

deck for my series on this, my investigative series.

24:32

Oh, I know. I woke up to those texts this

24:34

morning and then I had to go teach and I

24:36

was like, okay. You're like, I'm just ignoring it.

24:38

Raviya's planning a whole series that we're doing and I'm

24:40

just going to be in the back going, I don't know

24:42

anything. I don't know. Please stop editing me. By

24:44

the way, can you tell us what you're doing

24:46

in Colombia? We didn't even

24:48

talk about that. I'm

24:51

teaching at a musical theater

24:53

university here. That's amazing.

24:55

I was teaching all of these

24:58

magical kids all weekend. I

25:00

taught a bunch of them because I teach

25:02

for the Joffrey Ballet Schools musical theater program

25:04

every year, every summer. I've been doing that for

25:06

the past eight years. We

25:08

had a bunch of amazing kids from Colombia

25:10

and they invited us out here to teach

25:13

a weekend intensive. We did

25:15

acting classes, singing classes, dancing. You must

25:17

be exhausted. I'm exhausted. I'm going to

25:19

die. But you know what's in Colombia,

25:21

Raviya? Coffee. I

25:24

was going to say cocaine and then I was going to say coffee. That

25:27

joke was ruined. But do you know what I found out? Little

25:29

kids in Colombia drink coffee at

25:31

like seven. Nope. Each

25:34

seven. One girl

25:36

was like, oh, I had too much coffee. I'm like, ha,

25:38

ha, ha. And they were like, what are

25:40

you laughing at? No, I'm not laughing at that because

25:42

I've seen three old kids and two old kids and

25:45

a box on drinking jai. I'm not

25:47

even kidding. So yeah. They were like, you're

25:49

in Colombia. Is everybody hot? Because I feel

25:51

like everybody in Colombia. No, not necessarily. They're

25:55

all very like sheep. Everyone here is

25:57

sheep. We had an amazing dinner tonight.

26:00

funny is for anybody who's a musical theater

26:02

nerd, I'm gonna have a musical theater nerd

26:04

crossover for like 30 seconds here. There's

26:06

this part in Legally Blonde where she

26:08

goes, and

26:16

I had them change it to

26:18

Fatu Piccolavi. It was very cute.

26:21

It was very cute. It's Legally Blonde. Is that

26:23

a movie or is that a Broadway show? That's

26:25

a movie, right? Okay. I actually don't want to continue

26:27

this conversation right now because I'm just gonna get mad

26:29

at you. So we

26:32

can move on now. Thank you. For

26:34

anyone who knows, it's my favorite musical

26:36

based on the movie with Reese Witherspoon.

26:38

However, the Broadway musical improved upon the

26:40

movie. I don't have time for this

26:42

toxicity in my life. Is it still

26:44

on Broadway? You know what? I've

26:47

already gone through this with Daisy. I don't

26:50

need to lose another podcast partner over Legally

26:52

Blonde. I should watch the movie. Look what

26:54

I had the kids make for Daisy. Actually, I

26:56

need to post this. Well,

27:07

look, I don't hate it. I just don't know

27:09

it. I mean, like, I'm just like a baby

27:11

in the wilderness. I have no idea. I'm like

27:13

a virgin. I'm a Legally Blonde virgin. Can you

27:15

try to understand me? Listen, how much Bollywood have

27:18

you seen? I love Bollywood. Quiz me on all

27:20

of 80s and 90s Bollywood. That's what I was

27:22

watching. I wasn't watching Legally Blonde.

27:24

I was watching Cheryl Khan and Amr Khan

27:26

and Bollywood. All right. What's your next story,

27:29

Rabia Elizabeth? No, you go next. You

27:32

made me do For God Be Your Son. I wasn't gonna actually. All right.

27:34

Here we go. For your sake. For the sake of

27:36

your sanity. I swear. I was like, Ellen's gonna

27:38

get triggered. Well, I just automatically thought you were

27:40

gonna do it. So my story is very

27:43

sad, but I really want you to weigh

27:45

in on this because this is a topic

27:47

that has come up in conversation a lot

27:49

lately. This past Thursday, I 15. Well, I

27:51

think now he's 16, but

27:53

a 15 year old named since they're

27:56

sincere. Yeah, a 15 year old named since

27:58

they're Smith walked in. to a courtroom

28:00

for his sentencing hearing for a crime

28:03

that happened March, almost a year ago,

28:05

so March of 2023. And

28:07

you probably haven't heard his name

28:09

because previously Smith's name was not

28:11

publicized in court records because he

28:13

was just certified as an adult

28:15

in this case and he appeared

28:18

in Las Vegas Justice Court last

28:20

week on a charge of murder

28:22

with a deadly weapon. The victim's

28:24

name was O'Marian Wilson. O'Marian was

28:26

17, he was

28:28

a star athlete and he was on

28:30

his way to college. So

28:32

Wilson was from North Las

28:34

Vegas and he was shot and killed

28:36

at a friend's 18th birthday party

28:39

at a hotel just off

28:41

the strip. The party had

28:43

about 20 teenagers in attendance

28:46

and surveillance showed three

28:48

vehicles arrived that night, the night

28:50

of the shooting. So eight

28:52

people got out of the car parked

28:54

and they went up to the hotel

28:56

room. Now surveillance footage would show Smith

28:59

pulling a firearm from his waistband

29:01

and then putting it in his

29:03

black backpack and then holding on

29:05

to the backpack. And the

29:08

report stipulated that this was the only

29:10

firearm that was seen in the video.

29:12

Then more surveillance would show those

29:14

group of kids going up in

29:16

an elevator where Smith

29:19

was then seen to start sort

29:21

of manipulating the backpack

29:23

zipper, which was the same place

29:25

that they saw the gun go into.

29:27

When they arrived at the party, apparently

29:30

they were uninvited guests, they weren't supposed

29:32

to be there. And party witnesses said

29:34

three people out of that group came

29:37

in ski masks. One of them was

29:39

sincere Smith. Then at about 917, O'Marian

29:41

Wilson was

29:44

shot once in the chest and

29:46

was taken to Sunrise Hospital where

29:49

he was sadly pronounced dead. So

29:51

there was no video of the

29:53

shooting, but the report states

29:55

that less than four minutes later, all

29:57

of the boys that had originally arrived

30:00

And those three vehicles were spotted running

30:02

from the area and one of those

30:04

people was Smith. Smith

30:06

then fled to Oakland,

30:09

California, where his father lives. And

30:11

this would be not only verified by

30:14

flights and everything, but it was also

30:16

verified on his Instagram, Genius, where there

30:18

was a screenshot of his airline

30:20

ticket from Vegas to Oakland.

30:23

So he was finally

30:25

tracked down by San Bernardino County

30:27

Sheriff's Office in June and

30:30

was all in connection with the shooting

30:32

that happened that March 25. So

30:35

in January, Smith took an

30:37

Alford plea on a second-degree

30:40

murder charge. They

30:42

offered him an Alford plea? Holy moly. Okay.

30:44

So that's one of my several questions. Now,

30:46

here's the thing. I did look this up.

30:49

In Nevada, if a

30:51

16-year-old or 17-year-old, so somebody fairly

30:53

close to 18, is charged

30:56

with murder, the case is actually

30:58

automatically moved to the adult system

31:00

in a process called certification. Now,

31:03

a judge can also certify

31:05

a 14-year-old, a 15-year-old in

31:07

any felony offense that includes

31:09

murder, but the process of a 16

31:12

or 17-year-old in the state of Nevada is

31:14

actually automatic. So District

31:16

Judge Tierra Jones just imposed

31:18

his sentence on this Thursday.

31:21

It was the outcome of a plea

31:23

deal, and he is going to be getting

31:25

eight to 25 years in prison and was

31:27

ordered to pay $5,000 restitution. The

31:30

judge made sincere sit-through

31:33

the victim's mother's impact

31:35

statement. To my

31:37

son, Amaria, Mama

31:42

wishes you a fair decision to take to.

31:46

I wish this was a dream I could wake

31:48

up from. Mama,

31:51

Mama miss and love you so much. This

31:54

boy offered no apology

31:57

and showed absolutely no

31:59

remorse. had the look on

32:01

his face like, can I go now? Wilson,

32:03

the victim, was

32:06

buried in his prom attire that

32:08

he had purchased but didn't get

32:10

to attend. And he

32:12

actually now has a six-month-old

32:14

daughter because he didn't get

32:16

to see her be born.

32:19

So I kind of want to

32:21

get your feeling on this because

32:24

we have talked a lot about

32:26

minors being tried as adults and

32:28

minors getting sentences. Now, my first

32:31

question is, this was

32:33

obviously premeditated. He had a gun,

32:35

he went somewhere where he was

32:37

not invited. Apparently he and the

32:39

victim did have words and altercations

32:41

the summer before, but he

32:43

took the gun out of his

32:45

waistband, put it in his backpack,

32:47

and then took it out of

32:50

his backpack in the elevator. To

32:52

me, that feels like premeditation. Wouldn't

32:54

that automatically be first-degree murder? How

32:56

is it second-degree murder? People think

32:59

premeditation means like you have to

33:01

have planned something out

33:03

in a lengthy way. No, premeditation

33:05

can be the instant, like you

33:07

can premeditate something under the law,

33:09

like literally in the moments before

33:11

the murder is actually committed. It

33:13

means whatever action you're about to take,

33:15

you meant to kill. When he took his gun

33:18

out and he pointed it at somebody's

33:20

chest, he's not trying to scare somebody and pulls

33:22

a trigger. He meant to kill. So I agree

33:24

with you on the premeditation. I am

33:26

surprised about an Alpher plea in this case.

33:28

The only actually context I've ever heard an

33:30

Alpher plea offered in is when there's an

33:33

exoneration that a state does not want to

33:35

give and they want to keep fighting somebody

33:37

who might be innocent in the court. So they just give

33:39

up and say, well, give you an Alpher plea. What an

33:41

Alpher plea is, is this. An Alpher

33:43

plea allows the defendant to maintain his

33:45

innocence, weirdly, but also accept that the

33:48

state has enough to convict me. I

33:50

don't know enough details about this to

33:52

wonder why the state didn't proceed with first

33:54

degree murder charges because I think they easily

33:57

could have. He's already being charged as an

33:59

adult. pre-meditation unless there's

34:01

some something in here where

34:03

maybe there was an identity, like identifying

34:05

who exactly pulled the trigger. I mean, I don't

34:07

like if somebody else had the gun because obviously

34:10

they don't have footage of the trigger being pulled

34:12

and you know what I mean. So I'm wondering

34:14

if it was an identification issue, right? Like for

34:16

them to say, well, we don't know for sure

34:18

which one he was and we are not going

34:20

to be able to prove it probably. You know

34:22

what I forgot to tell you? He drove up

34:24

in a stolen car. I mean,

34:26

I don't know if those charges are

34:28

like part of the sentence. But

34:31

the question is, are they well aware, right? I mean, like,

34:33

and we also don't know mitigating factors like, you know, it's

34:35

all like a lot of it. First

34:37

of all, if the prosecution doesn't know for sure,

34:39

if he's the one who pulled that trigger, then

34:42

how can we know for sure, right? Number one.

34:44

Number two, what if he was raised in a

34:46

situation where there's like generations of incarceration, where there's

34:48

drug abuse, where there's like, it's really hard to

34:50

know where his head is at

34:53

and what kind of person he is, just

34:55

from the plain cold facts

34:57

of the case. It's impossible. At 15,

35:00

16, there's no way he knows what he's doing is

35:02

what I think most 15, 16 year olds don't know what

35:04

they're doing. Why is he coming across

35:06

like a hardened criminal? There's got to be

35:08

more to the story. There just is. So

35:10

that child's mother in eight

35:13

years has to sleep with one

35:15

eye open knowing that the person who took

35:18

her son's life, the father of her granddaughter,

35:20

never got to go to college, never got

35:22

to go to his prom, knows that the

35:24

killer gets to walk free when the person

35:27

who took his life sat behind bars for

35:29

only eight years. Okay, but why would you sleep

35:31

with one eye open? I mean, here's this is weird to me.

35:33

I'll tell you why. Because I hear

35:35

this, I heard this a lot in victim impact statements,

35:37

where families will say and you know, God bless them

35:40

all. I mean, this will, I cannot imagine the trauma

35:42

and grief they're going through, but we'll make the argument

35:44

even like 30 years into a

35:46

prison sentence when there's some guys trying to go up

35:48

for parole where they're like, well, we fear for our

35:51

lives. Why? Like, I mean, like,

35:53

why would you fear for your life is that that person,

35:55

you know, victimized or killed your relative. I mean, either

35:57

that was a targeted thing or I mean, it doesn't

35:59

have to. I mean, it doesn't make sense

36:01

why I think someone's breaking into my house every night,

36:03

but I do. I have a deep home

36:06

invasion, like fear. I mean, what makes more sense

36:08

to me, what makes more sense to me is

36:10

to feel like a great sense

36:12

of injustice and grief that my son doesn't get to live and you

36:14

get to come out and have a life. That

36:16

I get. Again, I mean, like my

36:19

instinct is obviously you killed somebody on and

36:21

you meant to kill and you took away

36:23

the life of this young, incredibly promising young

36:25

man, rotten jail for the rest of your

36:27

life, but that my better angels are like,

36:29

no, it's not a solution. And one thing

36:32

I said, what is eight years of solution?

36:34

I mean, he's, I don't think he's going to,

36:36

I think he'll probably end up serving more than eight years and

36:38

I'll tell you why I think so. Because

36:40

eight years of solution. There is a little I know already.

36:43

He's probably going to end up having all kinds

36:45

of issues in prison too. And that always exacerbates

36:48

the sentence. I had a conversation with a friend

36:50

of mine just a few days ago and she

36:52

is, she has worked a death penalty

36:54

to the lawyer does death penalty work. And now

36:56

she's working as a public defender, a federal public

36:59

defender. And she said to me, you know, I

37:01

thought when I, there are certain people I would

37:03

never defend. Like I would never, ever,

37:05

ever defend a pedophile. I was somebody who was

37:07

charged with child pornography and pedophilia. And she's like, I

37:09

thought, and she's like, and yet I have a client right

37:11

now who's like 24 years old. He's

37:13

been charged with making top pornography,

37:16

you know, holding top, what are all these related

37:18

charges? And she's like, and when

37:20

I heard his story, I thought he never

37:22

had a chance. This boy never had a

37:24

chance growing up. She's like, my heart breaks

37:26

for him. He deserves to go to prison

37:28

for what he's done. But at the same

37:31

time, if you heard what his upbringing was

37:33

like, your heart would break for him. And

37:35

you'd be like a kid like that never had a chance. So I don't know

37:37

what sincere his life was like.

37:40

And that matters to me. That matters to

37:42

me. And you know, we don't

37:44

know. I mean, it could be like we've

37:46

seen cases in which he's really

37:48

young. Maybe if you give it

37:50

a few years, he will get to

37:52

the point of having enough maturity to

37:54

realize like the horrific thing that he

37:56

did and actually apologize and sincerely repent

37:58

and show remorse. But here let

38:00

me let me say this Ellen. What if he's innocent if he

38:03

took an alpha plea he's saying I'm innocent That's what he's saying.

38:05

What if he actually wasn't the one who pulled the trigger then

38:07

what then how do we look at this? He was the only

38:09

one with a gun I mean everyone

38:11

identified him there the witnesses there were

38:13

12 witnesses that identified him I

38:16

don't know. I will look more into why

38:18

he got the Alfred plea as well, but

38:20

it was a one-room hotel It

38:22

was not a suite. It was one room hotel and

38:25

they all saw him there and The

38:28

surveillance footage showed him with the

38:30

gun I don't believe that he's innocent,

38:33

but I could be wrong I have been

38:35

wrong one other time in my life and that

38:37

was when I got married and I don't know

38:39

it's funny I don't know what chip I'm missing

38:41

in my brain Yeah I hear

38:44

you and I am a deeply

38:46

empathetic person and I can empathize

38:48

with somebody's upbringing and lack of

38:50

understanding I just

38:53

am always gonna go back to that

38:55

other little boy didn't have a chance

38:57

at anything It has

39:00

taken me time to do this But it's probably

39:02

been like a 10 year long journey for me

39:04

to go from Retributive justice, which

39:06

is what most of us are our

39:08

culture is we're raised in that we're

39:10

raised with a sense of incarceration System

39:12

is there to punish not to restore

39:14

or to rehabilitate. That's just how our

39:16

culture is. We want people punished It's

39:18

taken a long time for me to

39:21

pivot and be like restorative justice looks

39:23

like something else Restorative

39:25

justice is better than retribution

39:27

I mean we were talking again about this my friend's client

39:30

and you know, I said to her I said well He's

39:32

gonna go away to prison for 10 or 15 years But

39:35

he's that he's gonna come out and still be that

39:37

same person and he's still gonna be a danger to

39:39

children He's up and we started talking about chemical castration,

39:41

which by the way nine states We looked it up

39:43

right then and there at dinner nine states actually Have

39:46

chemical castration on the books to meet chemical castration

39:48

because when you talk about like somebody who has

39:50

a sexual addiction Involving children that

39:53

is not something that's putting them

39:55

in prisons gonna help over time It just gets

39:57

worse and worse because that's just how addictions

39:59

work So then what does actually work?

40:01

And that person, and that her client has

40:03

said to her, I am sick. I don't

40:05

want to do this. And I am compelled.

40:07

I don't know how to stop myself. And

40:10

I think chemical castration is a

40:12

fantastic, it's a defendant who's found

40:15

guilty, convicted of these kinds of crimes,

40:17

has a choice. It's a great option

40:19

for them because it's an actual treatment

40:21

versus something that's not going to work.

40:23

It's just going to, they're going to come out in 10 years

40:25

and still be the same person and still be a danger. Yeah.

40:29

There's got to be a reason because no state,

40:31

if they've got them dead to rights, they're not

40:33

offering them a plea at all. Much less an Alfred

40:35

plea. We can't get the state to offer a Don

40:37

an Alfred plea. Yeah. I

40:40

look more into that because I didn't,

40:42

you know, it's funny because I came across

40:44

them saying the Alfred plea and I was like, huh,

40:47

that's weird. But I was really just more sort

40:49

of diving into the night and the circumstances of

40:51

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40:53

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42:06

so I wanted to talk about, and

42:08

I can't remember if we've ever brought up

42:11

Lake and Riley on

42:13

our show before. Right. So

42:15

the State of the Union just took place. This is

42:17

why it's kind of in the news right now, but it's

42:19

not an old case anyways. The State of the Union

42:21

just took place a couple of days ago

42:24

and I watched it because I want to

42:26

see how the old man's faring. He

42:28

sharp his attack, even though physically

42:30

maybe he's not doing great, but he

42:33

sharp his attack cognitively. Anyhow, he was

42:35

interrupted when President Biden first entered the chamber.

42:38

Marjorie Taylor Greene was there just like an insane

42:40

person with a MAGA hat and just bright

42:46

red. I mean like crazy. Like flung this button at

42:48

him and it was like, say her name. And

42:51

on the button it said, Lake and Riley.

42:53

Anyhow, during his speech, Marjorie also

42:55

interrupted him and screamed,

42:58

say her name. And you know what Biden did? He

43:00

picked up that button that she had handed him and

43:02

he said her name. And so Lake and hope Riley,

43:05

for those who don't know who that is, and this

43:07

is when I bring up the story you're going to

43:09

remember. She was 22 years old. She was

43:11

at the University of Georgia and she went for a job.

43:13

This is just February 22nd, a year ago. This

43:16

happened about a year ago. And she disappeared.

43:18

And very short, like literally the same

43:20

day her body was found, she had

43:22

been attacked while she was running trails

43:25

near the campus. They found her body

43:27

like literally, I don't know, I think the same day.

43:29

She had been killed by blood

43:31

force trauma in the attack. Okay.

43:34

She grew up in Atlanta's suburb.

43:36

She was studying nursing. The whole

43:38

thing was just awful project.

43:41

She was an outstanding scholar athlete. Again, 22

43:43

years old. She was a kid, right? Now

43:45

I have not been able to find any

43:47

information about whether or not she was sexually

43:49

assaulted. That might be information that the

43:52

police just didn't want to put out there. But

43:54

in the arrest warrant, and I'll talk about who

43:56

was arrested and why this came up in the

43:58

union, the arrest warrant, they said that

44:00

her skull had been almost disfigured,

44:02

like she had been bashed in the

44:05

head that badly. So the man who

44:07

was arrested was a 26 year old

44:09

Venezuelan citizen named Jose Ibarra. Okay, Jose

44:11

Ibarra was in the country as an

44:13

undocumented person. Okay, he had apparently entered

44:15

the US in 2022. He crossed into

44:17

the US unlawfully. And according to one

44:20

political narrative,

44:24

which is the GOP narrative, he actually

44:26

had been detained or he like he

44:28

had been identified by border agents but

44:31

then released. So Lake and

44:33

Riley has become basically a

44:35

political hammer for the right

44:38

to come after Biden and say it's because

44:40

of your lax border security policies. And we

44:42

have all these dangerous undocumented immigrants in here.

44:44

And Trump, who is obviously I mean, like,

44:47

oh, by the way, if you missed it,

44:49

Supreme Court said that Trump can stay on

44:51

the ballots. Guess who is the presumptive GOP

44:53

nominee? It's Trump. It's Trump v. Biden and

44:56

y'all Trump's gonna win. And yeah, because Biden's

44:58

already trailing in the polls anyway, but Trump

45:01

has brought this up over and over and over

45:03

and the GOP is just running into the ground.

45:05

And Trump posted on his social

45:07

media crooked Joe Biden's border invasion is

45:09

destroying our country and killing our

45:11

citizens. You know, she was a young

45:13

pretty white girl, perfect victim

45:15

in this case for the GOP.

45:18

Another time Trump said on a

45:20

radio interview, he's an animal. Republicans

45:22

are saying that migrants without with

45:24

criminal backgrounds are not vetted. Citizens

45:26

are at risk. I mean, they're

45:28

making it sound like there's this

45:30

entire remember the whole caravan stuff

45:33

is his caravan towards Trump saying

45:35

they're sending their worst. And you

45:37

know, Senator Lindsey Graham, after Riley

45:39

was murdered, found murdered, immediately said,

45:41

Oh, her killing's gonna change this election

45:43

as much as anything else. They immediately

45:45

saw the opportunity to clamp down on

45:47

this stuff. Now, Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro

45:49

Mayorkas apparently was I didn't I kind

45:51

of missed this. I think I was

45:54

in Pakistan or Costa Rica was impeached

45:56

by the house earlier this year because

45:58

it accused him he was actually Beach

46:00

of willful and systemic refusal to

46:02

comply with the

46:04

law by allowing the release of migrants

46:07

awaiting legal proceedings and breaching public trust

46:09

when you told lawmakers the southern border

46:11

was secure. There has not been a

46:13

single administration under which the southern border

46:16

has been completely barbed wired

46:18

cement walled shut. The southern border is

46:20

huge. It is virtually impossible to keep

46:22

every single person out. People will come

46:24

in. There are mules. There are people

46:26

who smuggle people in. There are all

46:29

kinds of ways people come in repeatedly. You

46:31

know why they come in? Because they want jobs. Because

46:34

they are fleeing horrific wars. They

46:36

are fleeing drug violence, horrific drug

46:38

violence in Central America. Some of

46:40

them literally walk from like Panama

46:42

and Nicaragua all the way to

46:44

the United States.

46:47

We talked about some of the conditions in

46:49

those countries and how terrible the gang violence

46:51

is so horrific. It is so much violence.

46:53

That is what they are trying to flee

46:56

and come here for jobs. I

46:58

wanted to talk about this for a couple of reasons. One,

47:00

the fact that there are almost 19,000 deaths by gun last

47:02

year in the U.S.

47:06

excluding suicides, which the GOP

47:08

seemingly does not give a

47:10

shit about. But this one

47:12

guy, Jose Ibarra, he has

47:14

been arrested, but he has

47:16

not been convicted, y'all. We do

47:18

not know if he did it. There is no

47:20

connection between him and her. We do not know

47:22

if he was in the air. I do not

47:25

know anything about the evidence against this guy. But

47:27

he has not even stood trial yet. The GOP

47:29

is saying about him. They are

47:31

talking about him like he is a convicted killer. They have got

47:33

him dead to rights. They have got the DNA. I

47:36

do not know what his deal is at all. I am not

47:38

trying to defend him at all. I do not know anything about

47:40

him. What is odd to me, a

47:42

lot of times you will see the killings of

47:44

young women because there is an element involved of

47:46

sexual assault. The police apparently are

47:49

saying that he tried to sexually, he

47:51

was going to attack her sexually, but

47:53

then she fought back. Because she

47:55

was jogging, right? She was jogging. But then she

47:58

fought. This is their theory. Their working theory. that

48:00

the she fought back and so he bashed her in

48:02

the head to kill her to keep her quiet. Maybe

48:05

but the thing is this, most

48:07

immigrants who come to this country have

48:10

very low levels of crime and undocumented

48:12

immigrants even have let lower because the

48:14

last thing they want is any interaction

48:16

with the law. They're going to

48:18

end up first going to prison and being shipped back

48:20

home. And the truth is

48:23

that all the data shows that undocumented

48:25

migrants are less than half as likely

48:27

to commit violent crimes than those born

48:29

in the US. It's like

48:31

a peer reviewed study from 2022 showing this. And

48:34

then the Texas Department of Public Safety has

48:36

says that immigrants in general have a 62%

48:40

lower homicide rate and undocumented immigrants

48:42

have a 41% lower total

48:44

criminal conviction rate than native born

48:47

Americans. They have so

48:49

much more to lose. Even

48:51

immigrants who are legal immigrants

48:53

or documented immigrants can be

48:55

deported. I'm a naturalized citizen.

48:57

Guess what? I can be

48:59

unnaturalized. The only way I could not be, I

49:01

would be safe from ever being deported is if

49:04

I was actually born in the US but I'm

49:06

not born in the US. So there are lots

49:08

of different ways to take away a person's nationality,

49:10

their legal immigration status and most of them are

49:12

terrified of that. So Allison's asking

49:14

why are they waiting for to bring to trial?

49:16

I don't know. I mean like he's being

49:18

held in a federal detention center. He's awaiting trial. He

49:20

was arrested I think just a couple of days after

49:23

they found her. So he's been incarcerated

49:26

for about a year now. There

49:28

also was some, there was

49:30

like the story circulating that he

49:33

had been previously arrested for

49:35

endangering a child in

49:37

New York but when the NYPD was contacted

49:39

they said they couldn't confirm any such arrest.

49:42

They have no record of such arrest. That

49:44

could be completely made up. So it's just

49:46

something I want folks to keep an eye

49:49

on because this is one of the big

49:51

hot button political issues that's going

49:53

to be, we're going to hear about over and over in this

49:56

election cycle and I want everybody

49:58

to understand number one this guy has a gun. hasn't been convicted

50:00

of anything yet. Number two, even

50:03

if he is guilty of this

50:05

crime, it does not actually reflect

50:08

the reality that undocumented migrants

50:10

and undocumented immigrants come

50:12

at much lower rates of crime

50:15

than US-born citizens. Like, don't believe the

50:17

hype, it's bullshit. I also just think

50:19

that it's disgusting to make somebody's

50:22

loss of life, somebody's loss

50:24

of their daughter, their sister,

50:26

their friend, a political platform.

50:28

You know what, Jill is saying that she was

50:31

murdered in February of 2024. I

50:33

thought she was murdered in February of 2023. Let

50:35

me just look this up. I did hear of

50:37

this case, I don't remember where, but I remember

50:39

the whole jogging thing. When

50:42

they were looking for her. Yeah. Oh,

50:44

this just happened a few weeks ago, guys. I'm

50:46

so sorry, this happened in February of 2024. You

50:50

are right, thank you guys for bringing that to my attention. I

50:52

actually, for some reason, I thought this happened like a year ago.

50:54

Well, you never know, because when things happen and then

50:56

something breaks in the case and it like pops

50:58

to your newsfeed. I apologize, guys, I

51:00

apologize. So look, that's why he hasn't been

51:02

held, had a trial yet. He just got

51:05

arrested a few weeks ago. That's why we

51:07

have our star witnesses here. Join us on

51:09

the Patreon and you too can correct

51:11

Rabia Chaudry in real time. That's

51:15

at least worth a couple of bucks. No,

51:17

of course, a couple of bucks. A couple

51:19

of bucks. But I just think that, you

51:21

know what, listen, it is, this is a

51:24

sad case, it should be handled, it should

51:26

be handled appropriately, it should be investigated appropriately,

51:28

justice should be served. Nobody

51:30

in politics should be talking

51:32

about this loss of life

51:34

and using that woman's name

51:36

in vain because it is

51:38

in vain because they're perpetuating

51:41

a narrative, they're perpetuating a story,

51:43

they're perpetuating a platform and using this

51:45

young woman's death for that. And that,

51:47

I think, is the grossest thing out

51:50

of anything. Think about this. Since

51:52

I just realized that she was, this

51:55

actually just took place a few weeks

51:57

ago, the house already passed, the Lincoln-Reilly

51:59

Act. They already passed legislation and the

52:01

Lake and Riley Act does three things. I

52:04

mean, this is how quickly they're moving. This

52:06

is like, like Senator Graham said, oh my

52:08

God, this is like the coolest thing to

52:10

happen to our election. It does three things.

52:13

Number one, the act condemns President Joe Biden's

52:15

border policies because, you know, you need an

52:17

access to condemn it, including catch

52:19

and release, call them to reinstate, remain in

52:22

Mexico. Catch and release is what

52:24

they call basically immigration procedure that's

52:26

been in place forever. It

52:28

would amend federal law to require

52:30

ICE, which is Immigration Customs Enforcement,

52:32

to issue detainers and take custody

52:34

of illegal aliens who commit theft-related

52:37

crimes, such as shoplifting. This is

52:39

interesting to me because normally if

52:41

an undocumented person is

52:43

arrested for any crime,

52:45

almost immediately state

52:48

officials will let ICE know and they'll put a

52:50

detainer on that person because they're like, oh, you

52:52

know, we just identified somebody who has no legal

52:54

status here. And so once they get through our

52:56

U.S. criminal system, we're going to make sure we

52:58

pick them up directly. Why they're

53:00

issuing an act to do

53:03

what already takes place, I do not know. But

53:05

the third part of this is it allows state

53:07

attorneys general to sue the secretary of health and

53:09

security for injunctive relief

53:11

if immigration actions to parole violation of

53:13

detention requirements or other policy failures harm

53:15

that state or its citizens. That

53:17

is so broad. They are, oh man,

53:20

you know what? Okay. So keep

53:22

this act in place. Bring on Trump

53:24

and his secretary of health and

53:26

security and watch what happens. If you think

53:29

this is a good idea, what's crazy to

53:31

me is that these people never think that

53:33

the political wins turn. Everybody

53:35

we're putting in the target right now is

53:37

going to be somebody from your party at some point.

53:40

All right. Sorry, I'm done. You

53:42

want me to tell you something good? Yeah. Tell

53:45

me something good. All right. All

53:48

right. This just happened on Friday

53:51

in Louisville, Kentucky with up Kentucky

53:53

at 12 15 p.m. A

53:57

semi truck semi was.

54:00

traveling northbound on the

54:02

Clark Memorial Bridge,

54:04

wherever that is in Kentucky. It's

54:06

four lanes, two lanes in each

54:08

direction. And it's one of

54:11

those bridges where, you know,

54:13

everything's slow and steady, it's

54:15

got a 35 mile speed

54:17

limit. So apparently, a semi-truck

54:19

crossed a lane and crashed

54:22

through the bridge's guardrail.

54:25

And so the trailer of

54:27

the truck actually went through

54:29

the guardrail and it was

54:31

wedged between the beams of

54:33

a bridge. And those beams

54:36

were what was stopping this

54:38

like 18 wheeler from

54:40

falling into the water. Yes,

54:42

John, this is good. Wait.

54:44

Holy moly. So it's

54:47

literally hanging there. This footage is

54:49

so dramatic. It's like the finale

54:51

of Love is Blind. Okay. So

54:53

you see this like tractor

54:55

trailer hanging there. It is

54:58

dangling over the water. It

55:00

looks like a movie. It honestly looks like

55:03

a live action movie. And it sorts wedge

55:05

there. And like the, what do you call

55:07

it? The like tab? What do you call

55:09

the center part of the truck? It is

55:12

dangling there. While Louisville Fire

55:14

Department was there on the scene

55:16

three minutes and they

55:19

put together a rescue

55:21

plan for the driver

55:23

that was trapped inside. So

55:26

firefighter Bryce Carden, he

55:28

actually is kind of cute, but like

55:31

in a nerdy way. Yeah. But I

55:33

have a, I have a no dating

55:35

firefighters policy. So maybe I'll make

55:37

an exception for the later hero, but he

55:39

was lowered in a harness and

55:42

he was lifted down like whatever

55:44

shimmied down. And yeah, this

55:47

woman, it was a female truck

55:51

driver insert female driver joke here.

55:53

Everybody I can read your minds.

55:55

You're awful. And I

55:57

dare you. She was rescued in 40. Minutes,

56:01

and I just want to say you know

56:03

listen we we've got we point out the

56:05

bad We've got to point out the good

56:07

those are first responders Bryce carton

56:09

He put his life on the line

56:12

and he said there was just no thinking.

56:14

This is what he does This is the

56:16

oath that he took this is what he

56:18

did what happened was essentially this the semi

56:20

truck semi threaded a

56:23

needle Why do

56:25

you keep saying that? I'm

56:28

a 13 year old child Josh

56:31

is laughing at me in the chat. That's all I care about

56:34

but anyway. He is an absolute

56:36

hero He has been getting all kinds of

56:38

attention. He was on good morning America, and

56:40

he absolutely Deserves

56:42

it all I mean the luck of

56:45

how the truck got stuck and then

56:47

him putting his life at risk To

56:49

save the driver's life it ended

56:51

up to be very yes There

56:53

is video footage there is pictures. It's

56:56

all online. It is so scary So

56:58

I just wanted to say that listen there are people

57:00

out there Fighting the good

57:03

fight doing the good thing saving lives

57:05

and being actual heroes that we always

57:07

thought they were when they were kids

57:10

So firefighter Bryce carton

57:12

from Louisville, Kentucky You

57:14

are a good thing of the week, and

57:16

I've got pretty great boobs so

57:22

Yes, okay listen listen I am reading in

57:24

our comments with the semi thing I had

57:26

no idea that was actually a sexual Inuendo

57:29

I am such a dud Ellen.

57:31

I am a thousand years old. I don't know

57:34

anything, but you're so Horrible you're

57:36

so cute. I love having to explain

57:38

all of my euphemism to you Sometimes

57:40

I'll say a euphemism and Rabi a

57:42

goes you can't see me because this

57:44

is a visual medium. She'll go It's

57:50

like true joy. I am clean

57:52

as a driven snow I mean I don't

57:55

I yeah, but I appreciate

57:57

you being here to corrupt me. I did

57:59

have You know what? This is just a

58:01

heartwarming and beautiful story. I'm like, I'm just gonna go ahead

58:03

and skip the terrible story I was gonna tell at the

58:05

very end. Oh wait, did you want another story? I had

58:08

a short one. Go ahead, tell it. I didn't know you

58:10

had another one. Alright. Oh, right, because I mean- I- You

58:12

talk about Scott Peterson. You made me talk about Scott Peterson.

58:14

I had two lined up because you have said that you

58:16

have commanded I come with two. Yes, yes, two every week.

58:20

I love that you pretend to the general public

58:22

that you're like scared of me. So, two, right?

58:25

I need two. Do I need two? Do

58:27

I need two, Belle? You terracized me. No, but here's the

58:29

thing. This actually, this story, I'm

58:31

almost like I'm given a conversation we

58:34

just had about juvenile justice and sincere

58:36

and all that. I'm like, I'm a

58:38

little bit nervous about telling this story,

58:41

but it's such a crazy freaking story.

58:43

Okay, so here's what happened in-

58:46

Give me a second. So, oh,

58:48

yes, okay. So in May of 2023, so

58:51

last May, a man named Sheldon Johnson,

58:53

who had spent decades in prison for

58:57

homicide robbery and some other charges was

59:00

released. Okay, he was incarcerated on June 8th, 1999 and he got

59:02

out last May. And

59:06

when he came out, he began

59:08

working as somebody who was rehabilitated,

59:11

you know, been through the criminal justice

59:13

system since he was young, comes from

59:15

generations of people like his father

59:18

had been incarcerated, like, you know, he told

59:20

his story. He started working for the Queens

59:22

Defenders in New York, you know, in

59:24

Queens, New York. And the defenders are

59:26

a group that provides basically defense counsels, people

59:28

who've been charged with a crime in Queens

59:30

and can't afford to hire a lawyer. I'm

59:32

familiar with the Brooklyn defenders. So, you know,

59:34

they all do kind of similar stuff. Anyhow,

59:36

he's been kind of a hit. He's been

59:39

a public voice for rehabilitation. He was on

59:41

Joe Rogan's podcast last month, which is a

59:43

big deal. It's like one of the biggest

59:45

shows in the world. He describes himself as

59:47

formerly being at the top of the food

59:49

chain in the bloods. He said that he

59:51

was a product of intergenerational incarceration. He faced

59:53

social and economic challenges. His story is that

59:55

his dad was incarcerated when he was really young. He

59:57

did 15 years. My grandfather was

1:00:00

a lawyer. incarcerated. My great grandfather was a

1:00:02

slave. He said he was sent to a

1:00:04

psych facility for behavioral issues of the child.

1:00:06

That's where I learned how to be a

1:00:08

criminal. He never returned to school after that.

1:00:10

He turned to selling drugs to survive. I

1:00:12

mean his story is incredible. It's captivating. Well

1:00:15

guess what? The man was just arrested this

1:00:18

past week for murder. Okay. He was

1:00:20

just arrested. Here's what

1:00:22

happened. Yes, in the Bronx.

1:00:24

Oh not the Bronx. Oh god Jenny

1:00:26

was from there. She hung out on

1:00:28

the block. Go on. Police recalls in

1:00:30

the Bronx. Yeah. The police recall the

1:00:33

44 year old Colin Smalls apartment, a

1:00:35

man named Colin Smalls apartment, after neighbors

1:00:37

overheard gunshots. Okay. They heard two gunshots

1:00:39

and then two more shots and they

1:00:41

called the police. Wow. The police get

1:00:43

to the, get to the apartment and

1:00:45

they find, I don't know how long

1:00:47

they took to get there, but by

1:00:49

the time they got there they found

1:00:51

an unidentified human torso. Okay. Just a

1:00:53

torso, not the rest of body. Now Sheldon

1:00:56

Johnson, who is our criminal

1:00:58

justice reform advocate on Joe Rogan's

1:01:00

show, was at the apartment

1:01:03

when officers arrived. And

1:01:05

I don't know exactly what story he

1:01:07

told them and how he, what he

1:01:09

said about how he ended up there

1:01:11

with a torso and nothing else, but

1:01:13

they go to his house in Harlem.

1:01:15

Johnson was in Harlem and there in

1:01:17

his freezer they discovered an arm, legs,

1:01:19

and head and the head had a gunshot wound all

1:01:21

of the stuff in the freezer. Surveillance

1:01:24

video showed Johnson entering and exiting

1:01:26

the victim's building, had different disguises

1:01:28

on, carrying a large blue bin

1:01:30

and the bin was what was

1:01:33

found with a torso inside. This

1:01:35

man got out in May, was

1:01:37

on Joe Rogan last week. There's

1:01:39

no innocent until proven guilty here.

1:01:42

He murdered this guy. Anyhow, this

1:01:44

was a really disheartening story for me. So

1:01:46

Sheldon Johnson, 48, has now been arrested, charged

1:01:48

with murder, manslaughter, criminal possession of a weapon,

1:01:50

concealment of human corpse, and is back in

1:01:52

prison, and back in jail. How are you

1:01:55

charged with murder and manslaughter at the same

1:01:57

time? Isn't that weird? I don't really know,

1:01:59

but that's... That's apparently our part of the story.

1:02:01

They're like, just throw another one on there. Just

1:02:03

throw armed robbery or something. Like, what? This

1:02:05

was a plot. My little headline

1:02:07

for this was, in my outline, was plot

1:02:09

twist I did not expect. I

1:02:12

did not see coming. Yes, Missy,

1:02:14

it's always a blue bin. So anyhow, that was a

1:02:16

crazy story. I was like, I don't want to tell

1:02:18

it because I talk about, like, you know, restorative justice

1:02:21

and giving people a second chance. And I'm like, God

1:02:23

dang it, Sheldon. You didn't last a year. Right.

1:02:26

Damn it. I remember I thought this story was

1:02:28

going at all. Oh, well, there it is. And

1:02:31

you know, he did it. Mercer

1:02:34

and manslaughter? Can somebody look that

1:02:36

up? But also dismemberment. I

1:02:38

know. What is that called? Mutilation

1:02:41

of a corpse or? I think it's dismemberment. I

1:02:43

mean, I don't know. I don't know. But

1:02:46

I mean, like, he had the stuff in his freezer. What did you think

1:02:48

you were going to do with it? In the freezer? The

1:02:50

head still had the gunshot wound

1:02:52

in it. That is

1:02:54

so unsanitary. Well,

1:02:56

I do like Brianna's point. Doesn't that go back

1:02:58

to the fact that our prisons just don't do

1:03:01

a new reforming? For sure. There's no

1:03:03

reforming in our prisons. It's very bad in there. Yeah, it is.

1:03:12

Well, what a week, Rabia. What a week.

1:03:16

And I will be back

1:03:18

in beautiful New Jersey tomorrow.

1:03:22

Then Joey and I go on tour. And

1:03:24

then you and I go on tour. Tell them our

1:03:27

tour dates, Rabia. Well, hold on a second. Hold on.

1:03:30

Hold your horses. Back up a minute. I heard somebody's got

1:03:32

a birthday coming up this week. No. No.

1:03:35

Nobody's got a birthday? Liza Minelli's birthday

1:03:37

is on Tuesday. What's ha- Oh, really? Yeah.

1:03:41

There's this other really well-known Broadway actor

1:03:43

who's also got a birthday coming.

1:03:46

Audra McDonald. I think her birthday might

1:03:48

be in April, but- We are all going

1:03:50

to get on a Discord video of something

1:03:52

together and say, happy birthday. I don't do- What

1:03:55

are you doing? What are you doing for your birthday? I

1:03:57

have a meeting with you. Joey and I are recording.

1:04:00

I have to pick my daughter up from school and then

1:04:02

drive her an hour to a class Wait

1:04:04

while she has a class and then drive an

1:04:06

hour home anyway now I'm skipping my birthday

1:04:08

this year, but thank you for offering

1:04:11

we're not we're not skipping your birthday

1:04:13

I skip it, but thank

1:04:15

you all for joining us. You know what you all

1:04:17

could do for my birthday You can get tickets to

1:04:20

our live show Tell them where we are coming live

1:04:22

Robbie and I am telling you Robbie

1:04:24

doesn't want to tell you what we're covering But

1:04:26

once we hit the first city everyone will know

1:04:28

but I will just tell you this I have

1:04:30

been wanting to Dive into

1:04:32

this case because I have done so much

1:04:34

of my own independent research Mostly

1:04:37

stoned at 2 o'clock in the morning on

1:04:39

tik-tok, but I digress I have

1:04:41

had so many emotions wrapped up around this

1:04:43

case This might be the deepest I

1:04:45

go on a case if anybody pulls that

1:04:47

quote and makes it something dirty I will

1:04:49

fight back, but this is going to be

1:04:52

a case you do not want

1:04:54

to miss that is for sure I'm

1:04:56

actually super excited because I don't know a

1:04:58

whole lot about it and Ellen has been

1:05:00

talking about it for a while now And

1:05:02

Robbie I have been talking about it since

1:05:04

we started this podcast That is accurate that

1:05:06

was the first thing I put on our

1:05:08

list when we made a list of them I was

1:05:10

like I know this doesn't sound like true crime, but

1:05:12

it is true crime Trust me and now we're doing

1:05:15

it for our live show and you guys Cameron Hall

1:05:17

was gonna do it We were like oh, no, we're

1:05:19

doing it for our live show. How awesome was

1:05:21

Tamron Hall? Oh my god I love her so

1:05:23

much and you know what Tamron said she'd share

1:05:25

her number with us But I haven't heard from

1:05:27

Tamron since and I love her. I want to

1:05:30

be her best friend. We Instagram message you too I'm

1:05:32

gonna message her. Yeah, I told her I wanted to

1:05:34

have her hand me down It's

1:05:36

got great clothes because she wears all bright colors and

1:05:38

I love her. I can't fit into your clothes All

1:05:41

right, you see aunt you are skinny McGinty you are

1:05:43

disappearing in front of my eyes Tell them our tour

1:05:45

date's Rabi. Yeah, we are gonna be in Philadelphia

1:05:47

on April 15th in New York on April 16th

1:05:50

and then we're gonna take a couple weeks off

1:05:52

then we're gonna be on the West Coast on

1:05:54

the 30th of April will be In LA on

1:05:56

the 1st of May will be in San Francisco

1:05:58

and on the 8th We will be

1:06:01

in Portland. But between San Francisco and

1:06:03

Portland, Robbie and I are going to

1:06:05

Montana. We are

1:06:07

going to Montana for a female

1:06:09

True Crime Posters Impostor

1:06:12

Podcasters Retreat. It's

1:06:14

so many words. We're going to

1:06:16

have so much fun. But yes, please, if you

1:06:19

can, visit our socials for ticket links to any

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of those cities near you. It is going to

1:06:23

be a great time. We will continue our format

1:06:25

in every city. We're going to have a guest.

1:06:28

And we will do exactly what we

1:06:30

do on our show, plus a little

1:06:32

fun opening thing where Robbie and I

1:06:35

probably roast each other a little bit. And

1:06:37

it's going to be a great time. I am

1:06:39

so excited. I'm so excited with what I have

1:06:41

planned. Ellen, you don't know. You don't know the

1:06:43

things I have planned for you. You don't have

1:06:45

anything planned. I don't believe you for a second.

1:06:47

It's Ramadan. You're not even supposed to lie. I

1:06:50

made that rule up probably. But I feel like

1:06:52

you're not supposed to. You're actually accurate. But I

1:06:54

do have plans. I got shit coming. Okay. I'll

1:06:56

believe it when I see it. But please find

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It's winter here, by the way. No, it's

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next week for... Margaret show? Oh my

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god, is Margaret next week? I

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have no idea who is running the job in

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pony show. Okay, Robbie, say goodbye to everyone.

1:08:08

I love you guys. Bye everyone.