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Welcome to this episode of the Rainbow Mafia

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. It's been a few weeks

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and I have a special

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co-host today . Special

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because he is my older

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brother , josh , and he

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is here to help break

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down the barriers

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and talk

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about conference talks starting in

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the 60s all the way up through 2024

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. But first I'm

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going to let Josh spend a few

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seconds introducing himself and

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why he should be considered worthy

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of sharing

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thoughts on these topics .

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I'm not worthy , but I am Josh

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Matt's older brother , just by a

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year and three months . And

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yeah , I enjoy reading

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through the words of the prophets and apostles

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as given in conference talks

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and general conference talks meant for

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a general audience . It's fun

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, and then you get to pick them apart and decide

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what is actually trying to be

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taught to you personally through

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the Spirit and through the words

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of those who have been called as

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mouthpieces for the Lord . All

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right .

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So Josh thinks he's not worthy

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, but he is

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. We are all worthy . That's

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one of the things we're going to talk about later in

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one of the conference talks from 2024 . Okay

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, but Josh is here because

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he gives good

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perspectives on things that I don't generally

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think about , and that's something

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that I appreciate , because , just

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like all the brothers and my sister and

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my parents and the rest of the people in my family

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, nieces and nephews included , we

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can be a little stubborn , and

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so he gives a fresh perspective

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on things that helps me open my

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eyes at times . So I asked

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Josh if he would look

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back at the kind of history

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of LDS General Conference talks and

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preside over

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the conversation of one of them

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, and he chose a talk which

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I'm going to let him first discuss and

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tell us why he chose it

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. But , josh , what talk did you choose

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, what year is it from and who gave it ?

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It's a talk by Elder Ezra Taft

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Benson , who was an elder of

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the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles at the time

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, called Be Not

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Deceived in October General Conference

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of 1963 . And

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he gives at the end of his talk

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. He gives three great ways

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in which we can defend

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ourselves from being deceived

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in the latter days . And and

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help us , um , help

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us understand what we need

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to do to make sure that we

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can find truth , because

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not everywhere and not everybody's

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going to give us truth , and so

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we need to have discernment and

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we need to have the understanding of of

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ways that we can find truth . And

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he gives some really great um , he

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gives some really great examples as to

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how we can do that and then also as

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as to why it's important that

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we do it as well .

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Okay , so you're saying be not deceived

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, which a lot

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of the world right now and

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this talk was given in 63 , but

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a lot of the world right now is kind

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of under a cloud of deception , because

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there's a lot , not just politically

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but socially . And this was a good example

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, president . Well

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, this time it was Elder Benson , but eventually

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President Benson loved to talk

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about political and social issues and

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how deception happens in the public eye . But

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I think he also started this talk by

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talking about deception within the church as

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well , and how many people

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fall away because of perhaps

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some not so great members deceive

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others and create conflict

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inside the church .

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Or just get deceived themselves and fall

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away right . And he talks about

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how he shares an example

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of his own family and how his great-grandfather

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was an investigator of

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the church and was trying

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to understand what to do with

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it . And he mentions that he was

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in a meeting , in a sacrament meeting

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, where some members

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were quarreling over the sacrament

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table with the branch president

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, and then , when the service was over

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, sister Benson

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or Mrs Benson . So Ezra Taft , benson's

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great-grandmother , turned

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to his great-grandfather and asked him

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what he thought of the Mormons

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after he saw these guys arguing

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over a sacrament table with a branch president . And

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the response of President Benson's great-grandfather was he said

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he thought the actions of its members in no way altered

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the truth of Mormonism . That conviction saved him

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from many a tragedy . So just

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because somebody acts dumb in

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the church or did something dumb

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or argued about something dumb , didn't

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change the truthfulness

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of the church for him . Because he

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felt the way that he had received

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a testimony through the spirit and he said

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, yeah , like people argue , people are going to argue

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everywhere , but that doesn't change what

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I believe about the truth and what

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I've been told through the Spirit

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, right . And so he says , yeah , that's fine

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, people are going to be doing dumb things , but

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that doesn't change my conviction at all .

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Which is why it's important to understand

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that idea of discernment

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and to know what truth is , because if

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you understand truth and you understand

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the gospel of Jesus Christ , then

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when people are arguing

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or fighting or having problems , your

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focus can be on what's true instead

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of the emotional part of it , because

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emotions tend to draw out the worst in us

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sometimes , and people don't

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just lose their faith in God , they

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also lose their ability to communicate

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with each other . And so I

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have a story that I'm going to share and

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it relates to this , and then we're going

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to talk more about the talk . But when

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I first went back to church

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in 2021

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, this is probably

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in 2022 , I was

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asked by someone who was investigating

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the church if he could come to church with me , and

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I said , yep , that's great , I love going

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to sacrament , taking the sacrament

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. We had a chance to talk about the benefit and the purpose

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of the sacrament and of that meeting , and

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he said to me but I also want to go to elders

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quorum . And I immediately

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told him that's a mistake , because

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my experience with elders quorum tended

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at first to be a bunch of

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bickering men who have differing opinions

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and don't actually talk about the gospel . And

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I wasn't wrong for

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that day . So we went to sacrament

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and it was great , it was actually a beautiful meeting

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. And then we went to elders quorum and

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I warned him before that

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when you're in a singles ward with dudes who are over

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30 and a singles ward

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for those who are not LDS is basically

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a ward is a church group

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, a region where

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people go , and they go to the same building

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, and my ward

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is 30 plus men

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and women . So we go into this

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elders quorum group and

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it was poorly led from the start

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and I already knew that was going to be the

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case because the teacher had not prepared . That

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again is of no fault of

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anybody in that room , but

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the question was posed essentially in

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such a general way that said , how do you as

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men relate to the atonement

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of Jesus Christ ? And

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one specific guy

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that I knew was going to say something I

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had already warned my friend who's investigating

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the church . This guy

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decided that he was going to talk about the

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most awkward topic to bring up at an elders

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quorum and that semen retention . And

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again , quarreling

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over stupid stuff , the whole elders

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quorum blew up . Everyone

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started yelling at each other . It was absolutely

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silly nonsense . I'm

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sitting there with a friend who's

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investigating the church and in the front of the room

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because this is a singles ward there's a

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guy who has his like nine-year-old daughter in the elders quorum , and these

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men in the room were not room , because this is a singles ward . There's a guy who has his like nine-year-old daughter in the elders quorum , and these

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men in the room were not paying attention to what was going

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on . They're yelling about

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how this is inappropriate and some people are yelling that

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no , it's relevant to the law of chastity

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, and they're just fighting over this . And

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so I say

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something and I say , guys , none of this

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is relevant to the gospel of Jesus Christ

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. Why don't we actually talk about

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the gospel in here instead of

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fight ? Well , it turns out , someone was

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recording the whole thing on their phone and

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afterward I said to my friend . I

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said , well , what did you think ? And he said , matt

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, why would I ever go back

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to that church if that's how men treat each

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other ? And I said , well , I can't fault

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you for that , because one you

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don't have a testimony , necessarily , of the gospel

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of Jesus Christ and of the truth yet . So

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I respect it . But I

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went home and I emailed all

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the members of the bishopric , the elders

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quorum , and I explained that

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they were all responsible for

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that elders quorum being a mess and

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that they have an obligation to

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stand up and speak about the gospel

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and truth and not fight and actually

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build community . And that I

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had an investigator that was there and

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how inappropriate it was for him to witness

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childish behavior by these men . And

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also I had to explain

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to them in this email that there was like a nine-year-old

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girl who forever could think that this

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is how men in the church act and

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how stupid it is for not one

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single man in there to think let's

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pause , let's breathe , let's have a conversation

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. And the fact that there was someone recording shows

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the immaturity . So

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my thought on this as we talk about the talk from Elder Benson in 63 , is it's easy to

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look at a elders quorum like that and say I'm never going to church again

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. But for me , what happened was

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I decided I was going to confront the

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problem and

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I did , and then I got asked at that point

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to actually teach elders quorum going forward

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. So I then taught

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the elders quorum in the way that I do

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and that is to have genuine conversations

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about the gospel . But it was fascinating

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because what you're saying

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and what he says in this talk

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is that we're going to have

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weaknesses within our church . We're

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going to have weaknesses because men are flawed , and

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I also think it's important that we have

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people who are strong enough to stand up and

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point out that no , that's

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not okay and

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we're going to actually have to get back to the point of

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the gospel and of the church . And

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so this talk I think it's awesome because he

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shares in it that perhaps

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it's by his own design and faults

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and weaknesses should appear in high places

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in order for his saints that they may

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learn trust in him and

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not in any man or men . That

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was shared in the millennial star in

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1891 . I think that was who

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said that . President George Cannon

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. Was that right ?

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I think so .

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So the point is we

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are going to have flawed people and I think

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people run away from

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the church and the gospel of Jesus Christ because

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of the flaws of man . But

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I also think it's important not to put your faith

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in them . And

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he shares in 2 Nephi 4.34

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, it's a parallel to Lehi's

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warning that you don't put your trust in the arm

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of the flesh . I think this talk is important

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because of that reason is we

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are in a time where the church members

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are bickering and fighting over

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all sorts of doctrinal points or

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social or political points and

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we're not focused on the actual gospel of

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Jesus Christ as much as we should be

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.

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Yeah , we're living in the . We're definitely

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living in the times of the

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last chapters of Helaman , as well as the

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times before Christ came to

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the Americas as well . But yeah

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, it's not just that people will bicker , it's

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not just that people will have their opinions

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or doctrinal differences or

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think differently about doctrinal subjects

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than I will . It's

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also like , if there are people , I think

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that when he says not putting your trust

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in the arm of flesh , it doesn't

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necessarily mean like putting your trust

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in the people who don't disagree with you or who disagree

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with you right , it's also the people who don't disagree with

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you at the time , disagree with you or who disagree with you Right

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, it's also the people who don't disagree with you at the time . Like

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part of his part of this talk when he , when he is going through

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the the story of his

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great grandfather , when he's talking

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about how he joined the church , he says before

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joining the church , his grandfather was moved

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by a marvelous prayer of

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an apostle named John E Page , but

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later the young , young convert . So

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his grandfather was greatly shocked

13:46

by the same man whose actions

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reflected his gradual apostasy

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. So this John E Page

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gave a prayer that President

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Benson's great-grandfather listened

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to and said , oh , that spirit talked

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to me and

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drove him into converting into the church

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. And then he learned later that that same

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apostle apostatized and left

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the church right . And then he says , ironically

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, that when this elder page was excommunicated

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, brigham Young selected

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President Benson's great-grandfather

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as a member of the Quorum of the Twelve

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Apostles . So the

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Lord knew who he wanted in

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that place at that time . He knew that

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he needed the words and he

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needed the voice of John E Page and he needed to use

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that voice to bring somebody

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to the church that he would then call as an apostle

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. He said this is what I need

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to do to get this person here . So I'm going to do

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it , I'm going to use Johnny page to get , to

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get , uh , president Benson's

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grandfather to become

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an apostle later on , right ? So

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he used a lot of that stuff to figure out how

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, how to get people

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in the right place . So even if I don't

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agree with people , even if I , even if I do

14:59

agree with people , eventually

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somebody can fall , eventually something can happen

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. But it's not about the person that I'm

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following , it's about the

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spirit that I feel when

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that person is talking , when that

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person is bringing up things that are gospel

15:15

related . How am I feeling about

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it and is it bringing me closer to Christ ? And

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if it is , the person isn't bringing me closer to Christ , necessarily to Christ . And if it is

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, the person isn't bringing me closer to Christ necessarily

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, although that relationship

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can form that bond and

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can help me feel closer to Christ . But

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it's the spirit that I feel that brings me closer to Christ . It's not the person . It's not

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the person themselves , right , it's not that arm of flesh that's bringing me

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there . It's the arm of God that's bringing me there . Whether

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I see it or not , that's

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what's happening , is the arm of God is clearing

15:47

a path for me to come closer to Him .

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So you bring up one

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of his points about

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how we can not

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be deceived , and that is essentially

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his third point

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that he makes . Is the Holy Ghost the test of the

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Spirit , right ? So how the Spirit makes

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manifest or helps us feel . There's

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two other points that he makes , though , of how we can

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avoid being deceived . In this talk

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, this is going to be guidance for

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people of how not to be deceived , right

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.

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Yeah , and this is like his . This is what he's saying

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. Is the guidance , the steps

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that we should take to test

16:24

ourselves , to

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avoid becoming deceived . Right , so

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test ?

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one , if you will .

16:31

So test one , he says , is the

16:33

standard works , using the scriptures . So

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the standard works are the scriptures the

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Old Testament , the New Testament and

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in our church , the Book of Mormon and

16:42

the Doctrine of Covenants and the Pearl of Great

16:44

Price . So those are the standard

16:46

works . Those are the words that

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everybody has now

16:51

and that everybody uses within the church

16:53

. The prophets , the apostles , those

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are the words of all of those apostles and

16:57

prophets who've come before , that the Lord

16:59

has saved for us in our day right .

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So to check yourself before you wreck yourself

17:03

, read the scriptures .

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Yep , so read the scriptures , go through those

17:08

things , especially the Book of Mormon , he says , because

17:10

that was written specifically for our day

17:12

, brought forth for our day , like

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going through the standard works is

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the number one way that we

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can see for

17:21

ourselves if this is true or if

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this doctrinal dispute , or whatever

17:26

it is that we're going through , is

17:28

against what Heavenly Father wants for

17:30

us .

17:31

Which makes sense . Right , because if you're struggling

17:33

with something in life , it doesn't even matter if it's deception

17:36

in church or in another area of

17:38

your life . If you're struggling , the

17:41

first place you should go is

17:43

Scripture . Right , because you

17:45

seek first the kingdom of God , and

17:48

God has laid out His laws

17:50

and principles and standards

17:53

in Scripture . So

17:55

to seek first the kingdom of God is

17:58

to seek first Scripture . So I think that is

18:00

super important that in 1963

18:04

, ezra Taft Benson said

18:06

if you want to avoid being deceived

18:08

and you have questions , the first thing you

18:10

should do is go to scripture . What's

18:13

the second thing he said , josh ?

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So the second is , or the second guide , he

18:17

says , is what do the latter

18:19

day presidents of the church have to say

18:21

on the subject , particularly the

18:23

living president ? So he's

18:25

saying what does the living prophets of

18:27

our dispensation , of our time , from Joseph

18:29

Smith to now , what

18:32

do they all have to say about it ? And

18:34

especially , what does the living

18:36

prophet

18:39

have to say ? What words has he

18:41

given ? What things has he been saying

18:43

on that subject

18:45

? That's the second step

18:47

, is what's going on there , and I think President Nelson

18:49

, and not even just President Nelson , but throughout the

18:53

last 200 years since

18:56

Joseph Smith , almost every

18:58

president or almost every prophet has said

19:00

something along the lines of do

19:03

not put or do not accept the

19:05

philosophies of

19:07

unbelieving men , do

19:09

not follow the philosophies of unbelieving

19:11

men . I know a lot of people got upset

19:13

about that last conference in October of 2023

19:16

, when President Nelson said that again of don't

19:19

follow the philosophies , don't

19:22

follow the people , or don't take advice from people

19:24

who don't believe in philosophies .

19:24

Don't follow the people or don't take advice from people who don't believe in the gospel of Jesus

19:26

Christ , who are not believers , right ?

19:29

And he says don't . And what he's saying is

19:31

don't take advice from the people

19:33

who have philosophies of men , like

19:35

philosophies of men mingled with scripture

19:37

, right ? He's saying if they

19:39

don't truly believe , don't listen to them because they are trying to deceive you . Even if they

19:41

don't truly believe , don't listen to them because they are trying to deceive you .

19:44

Even if they have good intentions In the goodness of their heart .

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Yeah , Even if the goodness of their heart

19:48

, good intentions , whatever it is they

19:50

are , even if they don't realize it

19:52

themselves . They might not even realize that

19:54

they're trying to deceive you .

19:56

They might not know they're being deceived .

19:57

Exactly , and that's what they're going to end up

19:59

doing is that you're going to get deceived if you

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believe those things . So what are the prophets

20:04

saying ? So , scriptures , prophets . And

20:06

then the last one is what

20:09

does the Holy Ghost have to say ?

20:11

Yeah , that's the Holy Ghost test , tested

20:13

by the Spirit . By the Spirit , we may know

20:15

the truth of all things . That's from Moroni

20:17

. This test can

20:19

only be effective if one's channel of communications

20:22

with God are clean and virtuous , uncluttered

20:24

by sin . That's what Brigham Young has to say

20:26

here . You may know whether you're

20:28

led right or wrong , as well

20:30

as know the way home , for

20:33

every principle of God is revealed , carries its

20:35

own convictions of its truth in the human

20:37

mind , Meaning how many

20:39

people in this world are willing to deceive

20:42

themselves in order

20:44

to justify something because

20:46

they don't even know how to communicate or

20:48

have a clean and virtuous , uncluttered

20:51

kind of brain and mind and

20:53

heart so they can understand the Spirit

20:56

. I think this is one of the big ones is I

20:59

think it goes . Third , because

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we live in a world that needs

21:03

guidance , direct laws

21:05

and moral standards

21:07

, and then we need a modern

21:10

day prophet to

21:13

tell us here's some things that

21:15

you need to consider , and then we

21:18

should be able to rely on our spirit . But most people

21:20

, I would argue . I work in energy

21:23

work , which is a very

21:25

unique field , but that

21:27

also ties to physical health and stuff

21:29

, and so I will say this there's a lot of confusion

21:32

about that . Third one People think you rely

21:34

on your communication and spirit with God first

21:36

. But if you're consuming

21:38

stuff all day in TV

21:40

, in your food , in what you drink

21:43

, if you're drinking energy drinks , if you're drinking

21:45

crap , if you're putting food

21:47

that is bad for your body , you're

21:49

having problems with your endocrine system

21:51

, your limbic system , your lymphatic system

21:53

, systems of your body that

21:56

are needed to be clean

21:58

and clear so you can receive

22:00

personal revelation . If

22:02

you fill your body with junk and

22:05

your mind with junk , if you listen to junk , if

22:07

you watch junk , if you read junk

22:09

all day , if you're scrolling on TikTok , you're

22:11

probably best to start

22:13

with the scriptures rather than start with your own

22:15

spiritual connection with God , because your spiritual connection

22:17

with God is disrupted , and

22:20

this is one of the big things I think is important about

22:22

this talk as well .

22:22

Well , and how does he talk to us ? Right , Right

22:25

, Like we can talk to God .

22:27

But how does he communicate back ?

22:29

And he's asked us to communicate with him in

22:31

a way that's like you and I are talking

22:33

, where we see each other and we talk

22:35

like this . Right , he's asked that

22:37

we talk to him in that way , express ourselves

22:40

, express what we need in

22:42

a way that we would talk with a

22:44

loved one . Right , but

22:46

he's not right here with us . So

22:48

the way that we get to

22:50

hear him isn't

22:53

just by whatever thoughts come

22:55

into our mind or into our heart .

22:57

Right , because our own thoughts could deceive us .

22:59

It's what's in the scriptures or what

23:02

are the people saying , that he's called to

23:04

talk to us . It's interesting

23:07

I've read this talk a bunch

23:09

of different times but one of the things

23:11

that are in that third step , the test

23:13

of the Holy Ghost , he says it's

23:15

a quote from Brigham Young . He says what

23:17

a pity it would be if we were led by

23:19

one man to utter destruction . And

23:22

he asks are you afraid of this ? And

23:25

he said and then Brigham Young says I

23:30

am more afraid that this people have so much confidence in their leaders that they will

23:32

not inquire of themselves , of God , whether that they , whether

23:34

they are led by him . I am

23:36

fearful , they , I am fearful . They

23:38

settled down in a state of blind self-security

23:41

, trusting

23:44

their eternal destiny in the hands of their leaders with a reckless confidence that

23:46

in itself would thwart the purposes

23:49

of God in their salvation and

23:51

weaken the influence , or weaken that

23:53

influence they could give to

23:55

their leaders . Did they know for themselves

23:58

by the revelations of Jesus that

24:00

they are led in the right way ? Let every man

24:02

and woman know by the whisperings

24:04

of the spirit of God to themselves

24:06

whether their leaders are walking

24:08

in the path of the that the Lord dictates

24:10

or not . This has been

24:12

my exhortation continually . So

24:15

he's saying do all of those things before

24:17

right , do the first two things

24:19

do . The first two things listen to what they say

24:21

, but don't just blindly have confidence

24:23

in them . Right Like

24:26

that's .

24:26

You still need to get to know things for yourself

24:28

.

24:29

You still need to figure something out . You'd

24:31

still need to have that confirmation from the

24:33

spirit that this is , that this

24:35

is what you need right now , because

24:38

not everybody is going to need

24:40

the same thing at the same time . Right

24:43

, I think that's why we have so many different voices

24:45

when we have general conference

24:47

, we have so like we're not just hearing from

24:50

one person . We're not just hearing from

24:52

one person , we're not just hearing from the , the , the

24:54

quorum of the 12 apostles or just the first presidency

24:57

.

24:57

We're hearing from early society young

24:59

women's primary primary .

25:01

We're hearing from Relief Society , Young Women's Primary Primary . We're hearing from other

25:03

auxiliaries within the church as

25:06

well as other leaders in the church

25:08

. Right , Because somebody is going to speak to you differently

25:10

than they speak to me . The Spirit is going to speak to you differently

25:13

than it's going to speak to me , so

25:15

I might need to hear something different than you need

25:17

to hear . So you're going to hear and

25:19

we can hear the same talk and hear

25:21

something different every single time , right

25:23

? Because the Spirit is trying

25:25

to give you what you need at that time . And

25:28

if you're not seeking that and you're

25:30

just saying well , the prophet told me to do this

25:32

, so I'm just going to go out and do this , or

25:34

the scriptures say I need to do this

25:36

, so I'm just going to go out and do this , it's

25:39

not a terrible thing , but

25:41

it's not God's plan . It's not

25:43

what he wants you to do , right

25:45

? It's taking that Laman

25:48

and Lemuel from

25:50

first Nephi approach right when Nephi

25:52

asks them have

25:57

you asked the Lord ? Have you inquired ? Have you inquired of the Lord , of these

26:00

things ? And they say no , because he doesn't tell us , he reveals

26:02

no such thing unto us . So no , we haven't asked

26:04

.

26:05

So here's a different thought

26:07

as well . We're going to go to the Old Testament for that , and

26:09

this is when I had a conversation with a friend the other day

26:11

. I said , in

26:13

my own frustration with

26:16

some of the members of the LDS church , but also

26:19

generally again back

26:21

into energy work people who become

26:24

reliant on

26:26

like a guide . So

26:28

this is very popular in both religion and

26:31

a neo energy work field

26:33

. Someone's like that's my guru , that's my

26:35

this , that's my that . So this

26:37

is actually something

26:39

the Lord , god the Father

26:41

, also has tried to get people to

26:44

avoid doing is becoming reliant

26:46

on a one person

26:48

forever . So

26:50

Moses went up to

26:52

Mount Sinai . On behalf of who ? The

26:55

children of Israel . But before Moses

26:57

went up to the mountain , what did God ask ? God asks the

26:59

children to come up . What did God ask ? God asks the children

27:02

to come up . He says come to

27:04

me yourself . And they determined

27:07

that they were so busy

27:10

in this desert worshiping

27:12

their own idols , paying attention to their own stuff , they

27:14

said , no , we'll just send our representative Moses

27:16

up . Moses up , right . So Moses goes up

27:18

, he gets commandments . You get

27:20

the laws in Leviticus , you

27:24

get the laws of the old Testament . And

27:27

it was because the people were too distracted and

27:29

too almost worn out . I think they were distracted .

27:31

They might have been distracted . I don't necessarily think that it

27:33

was distraction that stopped

27:35

them , though .

27:36

They were being deceived .

27:42

I think that it was a

27:44

. I'm going to outsource my

27:47

decision-making to

27:49

somebody else , Because if

27:52

they had gone up and

27:54

if they had been taught directly

27:56

by the Lord himself , they

27:58

now have a higher responsibility

28:01

.

28:01

Exactly that's what I was going with .

28:02

They now have a higher responsibility

28:05

. Exactly that's what I was going with . They

28:09

now have a higher expectation from the Lord to them , right ? And that's what even just

28:11

this last conference this last weekend , right , like

28:13

a lot of what was talked

28:15

about was those things specifically

28:18

. Yep , we have the

28:21

, we are living the higher law , so

28:23

we have higher expectations , and

28:25

there are even higher expectations than

28:27

what we live right now . Yes , so

28:30

we're doing the basic stuff .

28:32

We witness this over and over throughout Scripture

28:34

, where God is asking . God

28:37

is actually asking His people and this

28:39

will tie into a talk that we're going

28:41

to discuss later on . God is

28:43

asking you to come to him

28:45

directly , and you come to him through

28:47

scriptures . You come to him

28:49

through seeking what

28:51

are current prophets saying , and

28:54

then you start to learn how

28:56

the Lord communicates with you directly . But

28:59

the children of Israel and

29:01

I think there was part of it is idleness

29:04

, and I think we experience

29:06

that today in our world . There's worship

29:09

of other things and

29:11

there's deception , and so a lot

29:13

of members of the LDS church , a lot of

29:15

members of other religions and

29:17

also , like I said , energy

29:20

work field , where people call them gurus or whatever

29:22

. They are so

29:24

distracted by their own egos

29:26

and their own lives , and

29:28

I know everyone has things going on . We live in a

29:30

world that is dedicated to money

29:32

, and so you need money to survive

29:34

, so it's easier to outsource , like you're

29:36

saying , your faith on someone

29:39

else's shoulders , and so I

29:41

think we're not really any different from the children

29:43

of Israel , from Laman and Lemuel , in

29:46

that we have many people , and

29:49

we're all guilty of it at different times , of

29:51

relying too heavily on

29:53

outsourcing and letting someone else represent

29:55

us instead of reading the scriptures

29:58

, instead of pondering it , instead of praying

30:00

about it and instead of understanding

30:02

actually understanding the

30:04

way God wants you to receive it . That's why

30:06

I like what you're saying is not

30:08

every talk in conference is going to hit you the same

30:10

way it does me , and not

30:12

every time I hear or read those words they're

30:14

going to hit the same , because the spirit of

30:16

the Lord might need to communicate something

30:18

different with me today than he did

30:21

a week ago , even

30:23

the conversation here we're having . We

30:25

recorded this podcast episode

30:27

once and it did not actually

30:30

get recorded for some reason , so

30:32

this conversation is different than the first time we recorded

30:35

it , and that just shows things

30:38

change and if you're willing

30:40

to do these steps in here to

30:42

avoid deception , they

30:45

can change for the better for you .

30:48

Yeah , but yeah

30:50

, we're asked to live these laws right

30:52

and , like

30:54

I was saying , right now we're living a

30:56

higher law than the law of Moses , where

30:59

we've been given

31:01

more light , we've been given more

31:04

liberty to use our agency

31:06

to do things that we want to do

31:08

Right Not just

31:10

the will of the Lord , but we get

31:13

to have that choice when , like with the

31:15

law of Moses , a lot of it came

31:17

down to like you can't take a certain

31:19

amount of , you can't take more than a certain amount of steps

31:21

on the Sabbath .

31:22

You can't eat this thing , you can't wear a certain amount of . You can't take more than a certain amount of steps on the Sabbath

31:24

. You can't eat this thing . You can't wear these clothing combinations .

31:25

We have those kinds of things right when

31:28

we have the word of wisdom . We have some

31:30

things that are saying like you shouldn't be doing these things

31:32

or you should be doing these things right . We still

31:35

have those commandments , but

31:38

we have a little bit more liberty and a little bit more

31:40

freedom than what they

31:42

had back then . We have the . They

31:45

had the letter of the law .

31:47

And we have the spirit of the law .

31:48

We have the letter of the law and the spirit of the law

31:50

, so we can look at something and say

31:52

, oh , it's Sunday , just like what Christ

31:54

did . Right , it's Sunday . You're

32:01

not supposed to heal people or you're not supposed to take people in or do a certain

32:03

thing on Sunday right . But what did he do ? He said , no , like

32:05

that's the letter of the law . Yeah

32:09

, you're not supposed to . But in certain cases there are exceptions to those

32:11

things . There are ways , and if the Spirit

32:13

is telling you to do something , you

32:15

should probably listen to it and move forward

32:17

with that , right . But if it's telling you to

32:19

do something opposite of what

32:21

, Of what would be good of

32:24

God . If it's opposite of anything that's in

32:26

the scriptures , or if it's opposite of what

32:28

the prophets and apostles are teaching you , then

32:31

that's not the spirit . That's

32:35

not coming from the spirit . If it's telling you to

32:37

do something opposite of them , then

32:40

you're probably going in the wrong direction

32:42

.

32:43

Right .

32:43

The Lord isn't going to stop you from doing it , because

32:46

you still have agency to do those things . But

32:49

that's why we need to test those things

32:51

against what the Lord is

32:53

saying and what he is trying to tell us . Right , and

32:56

we can still go through , even if we feel . Even

32:58

if we go through and say I've tested all

33:01

of this stuff , I've listened to the prophet , I still

33:03

feel this way , I still feel like I

33:05

should do this thing , then at that point

33:07

, yeah , go for it , like that's , that's your liberty

33:09

.

33:09

That's your choice .

33:10

It's your agency to go forward and do the thing

33:12

that you feel is best .

33:13

You have the freedom to do that .

33:16

But that's not going to stop the Lord from trying

33:18

to call you back .

33:19

Well , and also , it's not going to stop the Lord from accomplishing

33:21

what the Lord wants to accomplish and needs to accomplish

33:23

. So , even if you do all these things

33:25

and you still are like , meh , screw it

33:27

, I don't care , I'm gonna do it my

33:30

way , you have the right , but

33:32

God will always come out on top . So

33:34

I think there's another quote in here that I want to share . We

33:37

must be aware , concerning ourselves , that

33:39

we do not fall into the traps that he

33:41

, satan , lays to rob us of our

33:43

freedom . We must be careful that we are not

33:45

led to accept or support in any

33:48

way any organization , cause

33:50

or measure which , in

33:53

its remote effect , so

33:55

even in its side effect , even if

33:57

it's unconscious , even if we're unaware of it

33:59

, it would jeopardize our free agency

34:01

, whether it be politics , government , religion , employment

34:04

, education or any other field . It

34:06

is not enough for us to be sincere

34:08

in what we support . We must be right

34:10

. We have to be

34:12

right in what we support , and if

34:14

what we support goes against

34:16

any of the standard works , it goes against

34:18

God's ways . Then we

34:21

have to understand , as

34:23

members of the church , as

34:25

people who believe in God , that

34:27

we're putting our own ego or our bias

34:30

, or our stress or our

34:32

lives above that which is

34:34

good , which is godly . I

34:36

think that's what you're saying there is , even

34:39

if we study out and then we listen

34:41

to the prophets and then we listen to the spirit and we go against

34:43

everything that we wanted , or everything

34:46

God wanted and what we wanted

34:48

. We're cautioned to be

34:50

aware , concerning ourselves , that

34:52

we don't fall into the traps of

34:54

Satan that lead us to captivity

34:57

. I

35:03

think we can think around the world right now , and especially what's going

35:05

on with all these different political and geopolitical and social

35:07

political issues and agendas . It's

35:10

easy to be

35:12

more concerned with what we ourselves

35:14

want than what God wants and

35:16

to fall in the traps that then create

35:18

more conflict in our society

35:21

, more problems in our society

35:23

, more conflict in our society , more problems

35:26

in our society . I think about things like I

35:30

work on clients all the time , people who come from religious backgrounds , non-religious backgrounds

35:32

. Society as a whole this has nothing to do with the church society

35:35

as a whole has gone far

35:37

downhill , where addictions are

35:39

more common , depression

35:41

is more common , mental health

35:43

struggles are spiking

35:45

and we have

35:48

allowed the concerning

35:50

of our own selves to lead us down

35:52

to this type of captivity , and

35:55

it sucks because we've

35:58

been cautioned against it . This talk was in 1963

36:01

and he's cautioning us and saying here

36:03

are some ways to avoid captivity , avoid

36:06

deception , and they have not

36:08

changed from 1963

36:10

, from 1803 , from

36:13

the Old Testament . God has always

36:15

had consistency in his ways

36:17

to know truth and we , for

36:20

some reason in our human mind

36:22

, think we can change

36:24

that . We think we can

36:27

outsmart God and come up with another

36:29

way to resolve our problems .

36:31

Well it all comes down to ? I think it all

36:33

comes down to fear over

36:35

faith too , right ? Right , we have

36:37

this fear . We have

36:39

a hard time putting faith in those things

36:42

that we don't see , right . So

36:44

we see the

36:46

day-to-day stuff and we find ways

36:49

to take

36:51

care of our fear . Using

36:53

the arm of flesh , right

36:56

, using the things that

36:58

we can find here on earth that

37:00

aren't necessarily godly

37:02

, that aren't necessarily something that Heavenly

37:04

Father has put here for our benefit right

37:07

, he's put everything

37:09

here for our benefit , but there are things , in the

37:11

ways that we use them , that they are not here

37:13

for our benefit . Right , we get

37:15

to decide how to use things , but it's our fear

37:18

that drives those things . It's our fear that

37:20

maybe this outcome

37:22

isn't what I expected , and so maybe

37:24

he isn't actually listening , maybe he's not

37:26

doing what I asked him to

37:28

do or doing the thing that I need him to do , right

37:30

, well , and he's not a genie ?

37:33

We don't . We don't rub a lamp and

37:35

make three wishes and God's like I'm

37:37

going to go back into this lamp and then someone

37:40

else will rub it and they'll get their wishes . That's

37:42

not the way it works . This isn't a Disney movie .

37:44

Yeah , it's what President Holland said

37:46

. Right , he answers prayers , but

37:49

not in our way , always Not in the way

37:51

that we expect .

37:52

And what if we were to ask the question

37:54

rather than God give me this

37:56

? How about God ? Help

37:59

me understand why you gave me this ? Yeah

38:01

, why don't we start asking different questions ? Instead

38:04

of asking what we want , we ask to understand

38:06

what it is God wants for us .

38:08

And how can we take that and

38:10

move forward ? Right , how can we take

38:12

those things and say , okay , well , that's

38:15

what you gave me . What is it

38:17

that you want me to do with it ? What

38:20

do you want me to do ? What do you expect me to

38:22

do with it now ? With

38:24

it , right . What do you want me to do ? What do you expect me to do with it now

38:26

? Not necessarily . What do I want to do with this situation

38:29

? Right , what is the thing

38:31

that God wants me to do right now ? And then

38:33

move forward , believing that he's

38:35

going to help you do that thing , because he wants you to

38:37

do it right . But I think a lot of people

38:39

have that fear and they want to outsource their

38:42

faith , and we still want to outsource their faith . And we still want

38:44

to outsource our faith , our decision making

38:46

, to other people . We want to say , oh

38:48

, there's these

38:51

smart people that are smarter than me . And

38:53

therefore I just will follow whatever they

38:55

say and do the thing that they say , and

38:58

things will work out for me , will

39:00

work out for me . So it's changing what

39:02

does Heavenly Father want me to do to

39:05

what should I do , based on what

39:07

other people are doing and thinking right .

39:09

Right , it's how do I align my will with the Lord's

39:11

instead of the Lord's ? How do I align

39:13

the Lord to my will ? And

39:16

another quote in here , and

39:18

we'll go to the next talk afterward , but I

39:21

think this is important and that was

39:23

Elder Heber C Kimball . This

39:26

is from the life of Heber C

39:28

Kimball sorry , 1888

39:30

. So we're going back even further , 1888

39:32

. Heber C Kimball says

39:35

the time will come when no man

39:37

or woman will be able to endure unborrowed

39:40

light . So we have to

39:42

know for ourselves what

39:44

truth is , we have to understand

39:46

it and we have to be willing

39:49

to stand up for it . And

39:51

I'm going to transition that into the talk

39:53

that I chose for this

39:55

podcast , and that is Our

39:57

Divine Constitution from

40:00

October 87 . Again

40:03

, this was President Benson at the time , so

40:05

he was Elder Benson in 63 , President

40:08

Benson in 87 . And

40:10

Our Divine Constitution was one of my favorite

40:12

talks . I picked it because it

40:15

was the first ever

40:17

conference that I was physically

40:20

born onto the earth , and so this

40:23

talk I love because it talks

40:25

about and President Benson was very

40:27

well known for talking about personal accountability

40:29

and the responsibility

40:32

of the individual , but

40:34

in this talk I think he expresses

40:36

a lot of gratitude

40:38

, perhaps that we're

40:40

blessed to live in the United States

40:42

, where God

40:45

reserved a land so

40:48

that his work could be accomplished and

40:50

that we could use our agency

40:52

and we could have liberty

40:55

which liberty and freedom are two different

40:57

things but we could have liberty

41:00

to achieve what we

41:02

need and be unbound by

41:05

other circumstances in the world . So this talk

41:07

was important to me because he talks about

41:09

how we have a divine constitution

41:12

within ourselves in

41:14

addition to this country , the Declaration of Independence

41:16

these are all important things but

41:20

that we must also have

41:22

our own individual divine constitution

41:25

and understand what that means . So

41:28

we should appreciate the land we live in , we

41:30

should appreciate what's happening and

41:32

we should stand up for what's right and moral

41:35

, that we need virtue and

41:37

we need understanding of our constitutional principles

41:39

, we need to be engaged

41:41

and we need not to let evil

41:43

prevail over us . I

41:46

think this ties to deception , because

41:49

from 1987 to now

41:51

obviously I don't

41:53

remember the 80s because I was a

41:55

baby , but I can think about the 90s

41:57

and I can think about the 2000s and

41:59

I can think about why we

42:01

have a modern day prophet , Because

42:04

in 87 , President Benson

42:06

was talking about what was coming to

42:08

the United States . Essentially

42:11

, a complete division was going to happen , where

42:14

we don't rely on the Constitution , we

42:16

don't even understand our own morals , we're

42:18

going to have a lot of problems , and

42:21

that we should actually appreciate

42:23

these things . So , going back

42:26

to that first talk , point number

42:28

two that Ezra Taft Benson made was

42:30

we should look at what modern day prophets are saying

42:32

. And in 87 , I

42:36

think back then obviously I couldn't change the past , but

42:38

how many members of our church were paying

42:40

attention or were

42:42

getting deceived ? Because

42:45

even I'm just going to say it , it's going to be controversial

42:48

, I don't care . Even our own

42:50

church as an organization

42:52

has shifted drastically

42:55

at times away from

42:57

these kind of principles that

42:59

we have a land that's important and

43:01

we have been given this land and

43:04

we've been given these personal responsibilities

43:06

to actually stand up for

43:08

Christ and for freedom . And we

43:10

become a little desensitized and we become a little

43:12

afraid to talk about

43:14

it because we are afraid of being canceled or afraid

43:16

that someone's not going to like what we have to say . And

43:19

yes , we're a global organization . But in

43:21

1987 , this

43:23

was important because he was prophesying of

43:26

how we should caution ourselves and be ready

43:28

for what's coming . And it happened

43:30

. As the church went more global

43:32

. We became more liberal

43:35

, if you will , with our morals , and

43:38

I think you go to 1995 , when

43:41

the proclamation of the family was released and

43:44

another huge document people are unfortunately

43:47

people disagree with today . But

43:49

that was prophesying , also to say we

43:51

have gender roles

43:54

that are specific , male and female , we

43:57

have marriage between a man and

43:59

a woman . All of this was commonly

44:02

accepted across the world in 1995 , but

44:04

they were prophesying to tell us be

44:06

aware of what's coming . And

44:09

as a church , as an organization

44:12

and as a world , we've accepted

44:14

this slippery slope of morals through

44:16

deception , because

44:18

we've lost the ability to read scripture

44:20

, we've lost the ability to understand modern day prophets and we've lost the ability

44:23

to read scripture . We've lost the ability to understand modern-day prophets and we've lost the ability

44:25

to connect spiritually with God ourselves . And

44:28

I know that's controversial and I know that's harsh , but

44:31

I work on people all the time and

44:33

there are multiple things they wish they had , and

44:36

at the top of the list is their own

44:38

personal connection to understand how

44:40

to navigate this challenging world . And

44:44

so I love this talk because

44:46

in 1987 , President

44:49

Benson wasn't playing around , he

44:51

was not messing around when he talked about

44:54

the importance of the US Constitution

44:56

of the founding fathers , of having

44:58

your own moral convictions , of

45:00

not following the crowd

45:02

.

45:08

I think it's interesting that he talks about not just that . It's like the US Constitution , right , he talks

45:10

about our divine constitution , meaning this

45:13

was given to us from

45:16

on high . These

45:18

guys didn't realize it , right , they

45:21

were inspired without understanding inspiration

45:23

, or they were inspired , understanding

45:26

to their limited knowledge of inspiration , right

45:28

, right , right . They didn't quite fully

45:30

grasp I don't think what

45:32

this actually , where this was actually coming from

45:34

and what it actually meant . But

45:36

it says that he quotes Doctrine

45:39

and Covenants 107

45:41

or 101 , 77 . He says , speaking

45:45

of the constitution , he says and should

45:47

be maintained for the rights and protection

45:49

of all flesh according to just

45:52

and holy principles . So he's not

45:54

just saying that this constitution or that this

45:56

stuff , that

45:59

this divine constitution , wasn't just for our

46:01

land . Right , our land was prepared

46:03

because our land was the only one that

46:05

would allow that to happen .

46:07

We weren't under an iron fist .

46:09

We weren't under an iron fist , we weren't under a monarchy

46:11

, we weren't under any kind of

46:13

issues that would stop that

46:15

from happening . They tried to . Technically

46:19

. They tried to say , no , you are under the

46:21

monarchy , you can't do these things

46:23

. But they said , no , we're just going to do them

46:25

anyway , because the Lord had

46:27

that planned out . He had planned this stuff to

46:29

happen . This wasn't just some random

46:32

happenstance situation

46:34

. These guys didn't just come up with some

46:36

random document that said , hey

46:39

, we don't want to be controlled by a

46:41

monarch anymore . We want to have our independence

46:43

and our liberty away from you guys . So we're just

46:45

going to go ahead and write this stuff up . It

46:48

was inspired

46:50

by the Lord , or from the

46:52

Lord , to communicate

46:55

to us what we need to have

46:57

to protect ourselves throughout

46:59

history , and it was something

47:02

that was meant for everybody on earth

47:04

, not just us .

47:05

Right .

47:06

Right .

47:06

And this is a thing that has been for everybody . You

47:09

know . Second , nephi alludes to the idea

47:12

that anyone and obviously this

47:14

again isn't just this nation as a country

47:16

, but the United States still is a pretty damn special

47:18

place . It still is

47:20

a place people die to

47:22

get to . It's a place people are trying

47:25

to force themselves to get to here because

47:27

it is a set aside land

47:29

. It is a place where people

47:31

come and they can experience true

47:34

liberation . We're

47:36

a nation that is set apart . We

47:39

are preserved as a society

47:41

, as a country , because no other

47:43

nation would allow for

47:46

not just moral behavior to thrive

47:48

, but the fact is , we allow immoral

47:50

behavior to thrive . Here too , we

47:53

allow agency . So people

47:55

come to the United States because

47:58

they want liberation . So

48:00

we are , I don't care what people say , because

48:03

we as a nation are special and

48:06

beautiful and we've lost touch with

48:08

that . And I think that does apply

48:10

to why this talk is so important

48:12

is because no other country

48:14

in the world right now people will say oh

48:17

, there's Dubai , there's Switzerland

48:20

, there's all these places that are peaceful and they're wonderful

48:22

, but they're not allowing

48:24

for moral grounds to

48:27

grow stronger , but they're also

48:29

not allowing for perverse things to happen either

48:31

, right ? So they're not allowing

48:33

for God , but they're not allowing for Satan . They're

48:36

essentially trying to be neutral and neutrality If

48:38

, again , going back to energy work , neutrality

48:41

equals stagnation , stagnation equals toxicity

48:43

, toxicity equals death . No

48:46

nation can survive

48:48

without a moral high ground and

48:51

without a counterbalance of perverse activity

48:53

, so that you can show why the moral high ground is important

48:55

. That's why the United States is important

48:57

, that's why we have to understand

49:00

talks from 87 . And I understand

49:02

that it's hard to read some of these things

49:04

, because it's

49:06

saying despite the fact

49:08

that we have slipped

49:10

as a country , as a church

49:12

, as a world , into a morally

49:15

compromised way

49:17

, we should still understand the purpose

49:19

of this nation and of ourselves

49:22

. We as people should

49:24

have a divine constitution , we

49:26

should have virtues , we should

49:28

have principles , we should be involved

49:31

in the activities that

49:33

lead us to liberation

49:35

.

49:36

And he talks about in this talk

49:39

. He says something pretty interesting about the conclusion

49:41

of the Declaration of Independence and

49:44

everybody who signed the Declaration of Independence

49:46

and they were signing on to this right this

49:50

was a Declaration of Independence for

49:52

them , but once it went

49:55

over to England , to the King of England

49:57

, it was a Declaration of Death

49:59

for them .

50:00

Right .

50:00

So they say , and for the support

50:02

of this declaration , with a firm

50:04

resilience on the protection of

50:07

divine providence , we mutually

50:09

pledge to each other

50:11

our lives , our fortunes and

50:14

our sacred honor . So they're

50:16

saying we're giving everything

50:18

to this because

50:20

it's that important . This divine thing

50:22

coming that we believe is coming from god , in

50:25

the way that we believe that it's coming from him , is

50:28

so important that

50:30

we'll put down our lives for it

50:32

. We'll put everything into it , because if

50:36

we don't put everything into it , then it's not

50:38

worth anything . And I think a

50:40

lot of people these days , not just in

50:42

the US , but even within

50:44

the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints I

50:46

don't believe that there are . I believe

50:49

that there are many members who would do this

50:51

, but

50:56

I also believe that there are many more members nowadays who would not do this .

50:57

No , everyone wants to , not everyone who would not

51:00

be willing to say .

51:02

I will put down everything to

51:05

protect even the people that I disagree with .

51:07

Right . I think this is important because we're

51:10

as a nation and

51:12

as a world and you could

51:15

get this into the geopolitical stuff , you get into

51:17

this monetary system we're headed

51:19

toward a one-world government

51:22

. I mean , the World Economic Forum has basically

51:24

announced that there's a goal . You've

51:26

got companies like BlackRock , You've got these big companies

51:28

that are making it . So we're forced

51:30

to go that way and

51:33

you have political leaders in this country and

51:35

other countries that are forcing us

51:37

into that direction . And , like you're saying , it's

51:40

true , I don't think even 20%

51:43

of members of this LDS

51:45

church or of this nation would

51:47

stand up and say no

51:49

, we're not going to fall for that crap , we're

51:51

not going to go for that anymore . We're not going to go to

51:54

this global stuff , because I'm going to tell you

51:56

what happens right now . This is

51:58

what happens . We go toward neutrality

52:00

. That's what they want . I mean

52:03

, it was announced that what they're trying to come up

52:05

with a new Bible for the world Wasn't

52:07

the World Economic Forum . One of these groups said they're going

52:09

to come up with a new Bible for the world . So no

52:11

one can be offended Again . Neutrality

52:14

equals stagnation , equals toxicity

52:17

, equals death . So

52:19

if we go to that state as members

52:21

of the LDS church or as people

52:24

who believe in a divine constitution

52:26

, in agency , in liberty , we

52:31

have to be willing to even defend the liberty and agency of those we disagree with . But

52:34

more importantly I was going to say this . More importantly

52:37

, at the prayer dedicatory

52:39

prayer of the Kirkland Temple , he says may

52:42

those principles which are in the constitution

52:45

, which were so honorably and

52:47

notably defended , namely the

52:49

constitution of our land by our fathers , be

52:51

established forever . Forever

52:54

. Liberty should be established

52:56

forever . The ability to communicate

52:59

freely , without consequence

53:01

of being canceled or

53:03

kicked out of society , should occur forever

53:06

. That's not like a

53:08

temporary thing . And yet we've lost our

53:10

way . From 87 to now

53:12

. We've slipped into this idea

53:15

that the Constitution's inconvenient

53:17

and our own personal moral

53:20

obligations and

53:22

standards should be compromised . I

53:24

think it's really a sad state

53:26

and we'll get on some other happier

53:28

topics here but I think it's a sad state

53:30

that a majority

53:33

of people in the LDS church will

53:35

accept being abused , being

53:38

taken advantage of , losing their agency

53:40

, losing their liberty . That's what's happening

53:43

. They think they're not , because you can turn on your

53:45

Netflix , you can watch your TikTok , you can get distracted , but you have no idea what . Turn on your

53:47

Netflix , you can watch your tick tock , you can get distracted , but

53:49

you have no idea what the algorithm's doing . You have

53:51

no idea what they're doing to your monitor , your system . You

53:53

have no idea what they're doing to your soul . You've

53:55

, you're becoming a robot .

53:56

It's a misunderstanding of what

53:59

Liberty it's . It's a misunderstanding

54:01

of Liberty and and freedom

54:03

. Right , you ? You

54:09

get those two things conflated with each other and you think that they mean the same

54:11

thing , when they don't . Liberty and freedom are not the same

54:13

thing and you think freedoms are

54:15

given to you by governments . A

54:18

government can say you're free to do these things . Where

54:21

liberty is me saying I'm free

54:23

to do these things , I am able to do these

54:25

things because God has given me the ability to choose

54:27

for myself what I feel

54:30

is best for my family , and liberty

54:32

is the ability to do that without

54:34

governmental interference . But

54:36

we've come to accept freedom

54:39

as liberty in our country

54:41

, and not just in our country . Everywhere we

54:44

have decided that we have taken

54:46

liberty out and replaced

54:48

it with freedom .

54:50

And agency and freedom are almost the same

54:52

, but liberty . I

54:54

had a conversation with a friend about this the other night . I

54:56

said liberty is literally liberation

54:58

. You are liberated

55:00

from the bond of something else . To

55:03

have liberty means you are not bound

55:05

by the government . The

55:08

title of liberty you brought this up in the first time we recorded

55:10

this podcast the title of liberty . It

55:15

was not the title of freedom . Moroni

55:18

carried the title of liberty , not the title of freedom , because that

55:20

is what we were doing is becoming liberated

55:23

from bonds .

55:30

Well , he wanted people to see what they would lose . Right , they

55:32

were being told yeah , you guys can come and just be with us

55:34

and we won't make you slaves , we won't do these

55:36

things to you . You can be free men

55:38

, like we are .

55:42

But you're still bound to their rules and their standards .

55:43

But you were bound to their rules and their standards , and you

55:45

couldn't live your life the way you felt you needed to live your life , so

55:47

you were going to have to live it the way that they wanted

55:49

you to live it .

55:50

You were under dictatorship .

55:51

You were going to have to use their words

55:55

, their resources , their resources , not just their

55:57

resources . You were going to have to use their words . You were going to have to use

55:59

their things , but you were free . To

56:02

participate in what they wanted To participate in what they wanted

56:04

, but participate in what they wanted . But you were not liberate

56:06

. You did not get to choose liberty . You didn't have liberty . You

56:09

didn't get to say I don't want to do that thing

56:11

, so I'm not going to do that thing . I want to be

56:13

able to follow the Lord the way that I want to follow

56:15

the Lord , so I'm going to do that . I

56:18

think that there was an interesting talk this

56:21

conference that talked about that . I

56:23

don't know what it was called , but it was words matter yeah

56:25

right , that was a good talk meaning

56:28

. Words have meaning

56:30

, and when we change power and when we

56:32

change what those things are , then

56:35

we're bonding ourselves . We're

56:37

bonding ourselves to somebody

56:40

who isn't there for us , isn't

56:42

on our side , right and can I teach you something cool

56:44

real quick about words ?

56:46

sure , and people listen to this podcast . Dr

56:49

omoto , a japanese doctor , did a study

56:51

on the power of words and

56:53

water . So you talk about building bonds , water

56:56

, water bottle cools bond together

56:58

. This study

57:00

was a massive . I think it was like

57:02

a 30-year study . He

57:05

studied the impact of words

57:07

on water . Now , your body's made

57:09

up of 60 to 80% water

57:11

. Your brain is made up of 90% water

57:13

. So he did a study where

57:15

he would say words and

57:18

then flash freeze water based on

57:20

the word he said . Or he would put

57:22

words on a water bottle , flash freeze

57:24

it . Look at it under a microscope , literally

57:26

as a molecular structure . The

57:29

water bonded together differently

57:31

based on the word . So a word hate

57:34

created a

57:36

water molecule that

57:38

did not resemble something

57:40

beautiful , it looked destructive . A

57:43

word like love actually created a

57:45

water molecule that looked

57:47

peaceful . He took stuff , water

57:49

from like Buddhist temples , and

57:52

then he took them from wastelands and

57:54

the water itself the molecules

57:56

under microscope flash frozen look

57:58

different . Words do

58:00

matter . So when we talk about freedom and liberty

58:03

, we've also fallen into the trap

58:05

and I'll talk about this with a quote

58:07

from Joseph Smith where we

58:09

have allowed ourselves

58:12

to be programmed to dumb down

58:14

our language , because if

58:16

we can get Tik TOK , stars

58:18

and influencers and all these people

58:20

to persuade us to

58:23

use dumbed down language , to not understand the

58:25

English language , to not understand the power of words

58:27

or symbols because in Japanese

58:29

, symbols equal words and

58:32

guess what ? The water within your own body

58:34

, within everything around

58:36

you , recognizes . This Cool

58:39

study that I saw the other day was about plants

58:41

. Plants have photosynthesis

58:44

. They don't have eyes , but guess

58:47

what ? Plants also can read what the

58:49

water's doing in your own body

58:51

. So you're emitting a signal to that plant

58:53

, whether or not it grows . You're impacting

58:56

something based on what

58:58

you say , how you act , because

59:00

the water within you is sending a signal to the water

59:02

within that plant to say I'm grumpy

59:05

. So this is why it's important to wear clothes

59:07

that have positive symbols positive . So this is why it's important to wear clothes that have positive symbols , positive

59:09

messages . This is why it's important to be

59:11

speaking in good ways , because

59:13

water is impacted by words

59:16

. Words matter and if we're made

59:18

up of water , everything around us is

59:20

made up of water . It impacts

59:22

on an energetic level what

59:24

goes on , and that's the science

59:26

side of it . So you've got the spiritual

59:28

side , which is words matter , which

59:31

is why the constitution is important , which

59:33

is why freedom , the first

59:35

constitutional principle and amendment

59:38

we have , is our words , because

59:40

they matter . And so

59:42

Joseph Smith prophesied of something

59:44

, and here's what president Benson

59:46

said back in 87 . Unfortunately , we as a nation

59:48

have apostatized in various degrees

59:50

from different constitutional principles as

59:53

proclaimed by our inspired founders . We

59:55

are fast approaching the moment prophesied by Joseph

59:58

Smith . Now , joseph Smith prophesied this

1:00:00

way , way

1:00:03

, way , way , way , way , way , way , way long ago . Even

1:00:05

this nation , he says , even this nation

1:00:07

will be on the verge of crumbling to

1:00:09

pieces and tumbling to the ground

1:00:11

. When the constitution is on the brink

1:00:14

of ruin , this people will be

1:00:16

the staff upon the nation

1:00:18

shall lean and they shall bear the constitution

1:00:21

away from the verge of destruction . This

1:00:24

is why I love this talk , because

1:00:26

if we understand our constitutional

1:00:29

rights again , those are free

1:00:32

, free agency . We have rights . That's

1:00:35

to support our liberty . Our

1:00:37

amendments are to support our liberation

1:00:40

, and the first one is

1:00:43

the right to free speech

1:00:45

, and in many countries around the world

1:00:47

they have taken that away . They have ruined the right to free speech . And in many countries around the world they have taken that away , they

1:00:49

have ruined the right to free speech because in

1:00:52

, I think , even what is in Canada now , they're

1:00:55

trying to pass a bill that they can arrest you for quoting

1:00:57

the Bible .

1:00:59

Yeah , in England they have , or in the UK they

1:01:01

have . I think it was like 890 people

1:01:03

were arrested in

1:01:05

2023 or 2022 because

1:01:08

of because of what they they said online , like

1:01:11

because of what the words that they used online and

1:01:13

it's , and they were like the number one

1:01:15

country so

1:01:17

they're .

1:01:18

They have freedom . They have freedom . You

1:01:20

ask people in england if they're free . They'll say yes , but

1:01:23

are they liberated ? Nope , they are bound

1:01:25

by the rules of the people who are

1:01:27

corrupt .

1:01:28

They don't have the ability to do the things that

1:01:30

they want to do , but they think they do . They're

1:01:32

convinced that they don't want

1:01:35

to do them . People

1:01:37

get convinced that they don't want to do certain

1:01:39

things because it might offend

1:01:41

somebody , because it might be wrong

1:01:43

to somebody else Boo-hoo , but

1:01:46

that's not liberty . That's

1:01:50

you being convinced that words have different meanings . That's you being convinced

1:01:52

that something has changed that

1:01:55

really hasn't changed , right and

1:01:57

?

1:01:57

that is , leads to destruction . And

1:01:59

if you look around the world again the

1:02:02

level of anxiety

1:02:04

, depression , suicide , drug

1:02:06

abuse , pornography addiction you

1:02:08

can name all these awful negative

1:02:10

traits . These perverse activities

1:02:12

are spiking and

1:02:15

we're losing the ability

1:02:17

to understand what's going on . We

1:02:19

have lost discernment

1:02:21

. So , tying it back to that , first talk what

1:02:24

are those three keys that he gave ? Go

1:02:27

to your scriptures , People go to your scriptures . Listen

1:02:30

to modern day prophets and then

1:02:32

learn how to tune in spiritually to God

1:02:34

. All right . And

1:02:36

ask him and ask , ask

1:02:38

and you shall receive .

1:02:40

Don't be afraid , don't think that you

1:02:43

live in a time or that you're not worthy to receive

1:02:45

something I think President

1:02:47

Holland made that pretty clear in his talk

1:02:50

that he just gave this last weekend

1:02:52

was you

1:02:54

have the ability to receive something

1:02:56

much more divine than you

1:02:58

are able right now , and

1:03:01

all you have to do is ask and pray

1:03:03

about it . And if

1:03:06

you don't know what to pray for , Then

1:03:11

pray and ask what to pray for , and continue your prayer until you get

1:03:13

into a place where the Spirit is directing

1:03:15

your prayer . Right when it is

1:03:17

giving you that information and telling you what

1:03:19

you need to pray for , and at that

1:03:21

point , you'll be able to receive more

1:03:24

inspiration and more guidance and

1:03:26

more of what the Lord is wanting you

1:03:28

to do .

1:03:29

And I think for members of the church , this past conference

1:03:32

was super important . I

1:03:34

know a lot of people who are members who struggle with

1:03:36

this . The temple is

1:03:38

important . Going to the temple

1:03:40

and finding answers is important . I

1:03:43

think about this . Again , going back to my other

1:03:45

side of things , energetically , the

1:03:47

energy world , the healing space , the spiritual

1:03:50

energy that I work with , there's

1:03:52

this belief in meditation . This is a very common

1:03:55

thing across many different religious

1:03:57

beliefs or traditional faith systems . Meditation

1:04:00

is important . Right now in the

1:04:02

world , we are surrounded

1:04:04

by electromagnetic pulses

1:04:06

. We're surrounded by chemicals

1:04:09

being released into the air . We're surrounded

1:04:11

by all sorts of stuff that impacts

1:04:13

us physically and energetically

1:04:16

. That makes it difficult for us to connect

1:04:18

to God . So , as members of the LDS

1:04:20

Church , going to the temple , the

1:04:23

house of the Lord , is the opportunity

1:04:25

to go and ask questions in a pure

1:04:27

space . I

1:04:30

know a lot of people who will go up into the mountains

1:04:32

and do it , and I think that's beautiful too , because

1:04:34

they aren't as comfortable at the temple . That's fine

1:04:36

, but if you're a member of the church

1:04:38

, we've been advised by prophets

1:04:41

to go to the temple and

1:04:43

to seek answers there , and

1:04:45

in this country and around the world

1:04:47

we have so many temples and

1:04:50

we should be going to the temples , we should

1:04:52

be seeking answers there . Because , again

1:04:55

, I'm speaking energetically , from the energy

1:04:57

side of things If you

1:04:59

want answers , if you want to commune with

1:05:01

God , you have to do so in a place

1:05:03

that it's accessible . And if

1:05:06

you're sitting in front of your TV , even

1:05:08

if it's off , or you're sitting

1:05:10

around a loud group of people

1:05:12

trying to communicate with God , it's more

1:05:14

difficult . I'm not saying it's impossible . With God

1:05:16

, nothing's impossible . But

1:05:18

if you have distractions going on around

1:05:21

you all the time , you're not going to get the answers

1:05:23

you think you're going to get . You're probably going to get confused

1:05:25

answers , you're probably going to get

1:05:27

multiple opinions and opinions

1:05:29

from others based on your

1:05:31

senses . So the sense of smell

1:05:34

, the sense of touch , the sense of sight , the sense of hearing

1:05:36

, sense of taste , those

1:05:38

things can influence your spiritual experience

1:05:40

as well . So , energetically

1:05:43

, as members of the church , we

1:05:45

should be going to the temple , we

1:05:48

should be going to the house of the Lord , where purity

1:05:50

and silence can

1:05:52

help us receive revelation and answers

1:05:55

, and we should be going to the scriptures .

1:05:57

And it's been the place that has been dedicated

1:06:00

and been set aside

1:06:02

for us to be able to receive

1:06:04

more light and knowledge . Those

1:06:06

aren't just places where they're

1:06:09

cool buildings that we put

1:06:11

some cool stuff in .

1:06:12

They are cool buildings .

1:06:15

They are , but it's made in a

1:06:17

way that will allow you to

1:06:19

feel the Spirit more

1:06:21

fully if you're prepared

1:06:24

for it . You have to prepare yourself

1:06:26

to go in and change

1:06:28

the way that you go into the temple . Again

1:06:31

, this goes back to what we talked about

1:06:33

about your will versus God's will

1:06:35

, right , what does he want you to do and

1:06:37

do you have the faith to do it ? And

1:06:40

if you can change your mindset going into

1:06:42

the temple of I'm going in here to

1:06:44

find out what I need to do , I

1:06:46

have an idea of what I need to do . I'm going to present

1:06:48

it to the Lord . Or I have an idea of what I'm trying

1:06:50

to understand or learn . I'm going to present

1:06:53

it to the Lord as what I know and

1:06:55

I'm going to seek what he can tell me . And

1:06:58

if it's different than what I know , then

1:07:00

I have to be able to let that go . I

1:07:02

have to let the knowledge that I have

1:07:05

or that I've gained through whatever

1:07:07

other way . I have to be able to

1:07:09

let that go and say I

1:07:11

could be wrong here . So

1:07:13

I'm going to come and find out if I'm wrong . And

1:07:16

if I'm wrong , then I'm going to have to have the

1:07:18

faith to move forward and do what the Lord is

1:07:20

telling me to do . And if I don't have that faith to move

1:07:22

forward , then I'm just not . There's no point in doing it right Right . There's no point

1:07:24

in doing something if I'm just not . There's no point in doing it right

1:07:26

Right . There's no point in doing something if

1:07:28

I'm not willing to say I'm wrong

1:07:30

, this isn't the way that the Lord wants me

1:07:32

to do it . He's

1:07:38

expressed that these things or the way that the world works right now isn't the way that he wants

1:07:40

it to work . So I might actually lose

1:07:43

some friends because the

1:07:45

Lord is telling me to have that I have the

1:07:47

wrong opinion . So I might lose some

1:07:49

people that I , that I care about deeply because

1:07:51

I want to follow the Lord instead , which

1:07:54

is , and it's , and it's scary . That's a scary

1:07:57

thought for all . I think a lot of people think that

1:07:59

like , yeah , I love these people , but

1:08:01

being honest about them and

1:08:04

being honest to myself and honest with the

1:08:06

Lord is way more important

1:08:08

.

1:08:08

Having integrity . That was another talk from conference .

1:08:11

It's going to be more important than me

1:08:13

saying you know what ? I just don't want to offend

1:08:16

these people , I don't want to offend my friends , so I'm not going

1:08:18

to say anything , I'm not going to do anything that would offend

1:08:20

them , and I agree with them

1:08:22

and their view of life . I'll just

1:08:24

say that I agree with that and

1:08:33

eventually you are going to , if you continue down that path , you will eventually

1:08:35

agree with them and you'll eventually see their side and you'll eventually say , okay , well

1:08:37

, maybe the way that they see it now is right and

1:08:39

the way that the church sees it is wrong . And

1:08:41

I hope for change in the church , not

1:08:44

change in me or not change in my friends .

1:08:45

Right and we hope God

1:08:47

changes rather than ourselves . But the goal here is

1:08:50

to align with God , not God align

1:08:52

with us . And I think we're not some

1:08:54

special time period in

1:08:56

this history of the world . We're not special

1:08:58

. We're not experiencing things other parts

1:09:00

of the world or other historical

1:09:02

communities or groups have

1:09:04

experienced . Read the scriptures

1:09:06

. Look at Sodom and

1:09:09

Gomorrah . It didn't start out raping

1:09:11

and pillaging . It didn't start out destroying

1:09:13

people's lives . It slowly

1:09:16

got there , to the point where there

1:09:18

was moral decay , where God

1:09:20

destroyed it .

1:09:22

And it happens from within right .

1:09:24

Right , it happens from within .

1:09:25

It happens , from those , like it talks about

1:09:27

in the last few chapters

1:09:29

of Helaman and again the chapters

1:09:32

leading up to Christ's coming

1:09:34

in 3 Nephi 11 , where

1:09:37

there was discussions on gospel

1:09:39

doctrine that

1:09:41

the prophets were receiving revelation

1:09:43

for and they were receiving

1:09:45

daily revelation for and they

1:09:47

were telling people what the gospel doctrine was

1:09:50

, but they still disputed

1:09:52

it and didn't agree

1:09:54

with it and eventually

1:09:56

they became separated from each other

1:09:59

. Now in Helaman , the

1:10:01

end of Helaman , they they got to a point

1:10:03

where they could . Then they reconciled

1:10:06

those differences and they kind of

1:10:08

became one again , because

1:10:10

the Gadianton robbers , because the people were

1:10:12

trying to there were people trying to kill them Because they saw

1:10:14

the adversary working . They

1:10:16

saw people outside of them trying to take

1:10:19

away their liberty again

1:10:21

, right . So they saw a group that didn't live with

1:10:23

them . Coming in to destroy them , trying to come

1:10:25

in and destroy them and saying that they were going to come in

1:10:27

and destroy them . So , with them Coming in to destroy them , trying

1:10:29

to come in and destroy them and saying that they were going to come in

1:10:31

and destroy them , so they said , no , we're not going to

1:10:33

let that happen , we're going to gather ourselves together and

1:10:35

we're going to stop this from happening . Then

1:10:39

they brought that group in and said hey , if you guys condemn what

1:10:41

you're going to do and say that you accept the Lord , then we'll continue

1:10:44

giving you your liberty , like because that's what we fought

1:10:46

for . We didn't just fight for the liberty of ourselves

1:10:48

, we fought for your liberty as well .

1:10:50

And your future liberty and your children and their children

1:10:53

.

1:10:59

And those people came in to their groups saying that they accepted what the Lord wanted because they didn't want to die right . But

1:11:01

then they stepped into positions of power

1:11:03

and they convinced people and

1:11:05

they Compromised .

1:11:08

Well , they didn't , these people that yeah , well , they were already

1:11:10

compromised people , but they compromised society

1:11:12

.

1:11:13

They were allowed into positions or

1:11:15

they could then introduce division yep

1:11:17

, which is happening cause division between

1:11:20

the groups . That , at that point , was

1:11:23

irreconcilable , right . People

1:11:25

could not come back together . At that point there

1:11:28

was no way for them to come back together and say

1:11:30

, hey , let's , because they were

1:11:32

fighting within themselves . They weren't fighting an

1:11:34

outside source anymore , they

1:11:36

were fighting they're infighting . They were

1:11:38

in , yeah , they were fighting their own people

1:11:40

. At this point they were disagreeing

1:11:43

with their own people and so they couldn't really

1:11:45

say , oh , like I don't want

1:11:47

to hurt my neighbor when I tell

1:11:49

him the truth because he's my neighbor

1:11:51

, but the neighbor didn't care

1:11:53

. The neighbor said I'm still

1:11:55

going to believe what I believe . And you have to believe what I believe

1:11:57

because now , if you don't

1:11:59

, you're offending me and

1:12:02

this is the right doctrine and saying

1:12:04

, no , that's not the right doctrine , and I'm

1:12:06

going to tell you why it's not the right doctrine . And eventually

1:12:08

you got to the point where those who

1:12:10

were listening were led away

1:12:12

from it , all before the

1:12:14

destruction came right .

1:12:16

That's exactly what I was going to go to

1:12:18

is the trajectory of

1:12:20

this world , the world we

1:12:22

live in , all the countries . Where

1:12:24

do we run to ? If we

1:12:27

lose this country , when

1:12:29

do you run to ?

1:12:30

There's no place .

1:12:31

There's no other place . That's why this

1:12:33

talk , the divine constitution , is so important , because

1:12:35

we have responsibility

1:12:38

to stand up and say I

1:12:40

have to risk offending someone , but

1:12:43

also I have to accept that they have the

1:12:45

right to offend me and

1:12:47

that's okay Because there's no other place

1:12:49

. Throughout history there

1:12:52

have been other places . God has established

1:12:54

other places . He

1:12:56

always has . So . When Sodom

1:12:58

and Gomorrah happened , when

1:13:01

the children of Israel had to

1:13:03

leave Egypt , there was always going to be somewhere else

1:13:05

. Right now in the world there's

1:13:07

not some other country , other land

1:13:10

we can go to . The next place we get to

1:13:12

go is essentially to

1:13:14

live with God , to have complete

1:13:16

liberation , because

1:13:18

once we lose this country , you can

1:13:20

go to these other neutral countries . But , like I said

1:13:22

, neutrality equals stagnation , stagnation

1:13:24

equals toxicity , toxicity equals death

1:13:26

.

1:13:27

I mean , that's just the pattern you

1:13:29

think that you can go to these other countries , but

1:13:32

your cultural differences to

1:13:34

theirs is going to be such a big

1:13:36

thing that it will . Like

1:13:39

you said , I think that there are people who think

1:13:41

that neutrality exists Right

1:13:44

and it doesn't , but it doesn't actually .

1:13:45

Death exists .

1:13:47

Because eventually you're

1:13:49

going to get to a place where your

1:13:51

cultural differences clash

1:13:53

with somebody else's and if you can't

1:13:55

accept that you can be offended , or

1:13:58

if you can't accept that others can , that

1:14:00

you can offend others , then

1:14:02

somebody is going to like something

1:14:05

has to give one way or the other . Somebody's

1:14:08

going to like something has to give one way or the other . You're

1:14:10

going to be required to do something that you don't want to do somewhere else , or you're

1:14:13

going to be required or you're going to try and require

1:14:15

somebody else to do something that they don't want to do

1:14:17

, and somebody is going to push back . Somebody

1:14:20

is going to say , nope , that's not how I'm going

1:14:22

to do it , and you're coming from somewhere that's not

1:14:24

here , so we're going to go ahead and

1:14:26

we're going to have you stopped , and

1:14:28

that's , I think , the direction that we're all kind of heading

1:14:30

towards is that that

1:14:37

life , and I think that's the plan .

1:14:38

But and that's the point there's also no other nation in the world where this could

1:14:40

have happened evolutionary as far as a society went . There's

1:14:42

no other country in the world where we could have

1:14:44

gotten to this point . Under no , no other nation

1:14:47

could the world have achieved the

1:14:49

advances we've had , but also

1:14:51

the captivity we're now in , because

1:14:54

China would never have allowed this stuff to happen , russia

1:14:57

would have never have allowed this stuff to happen . The

1:14:59

European Union would never allow this

1:15:01

stuff to happen . God established

1:15:04

the United States as a land set

1:15:06

aside for not only liberation

1:15:09

, but also to show that captivity

1:15:11

still exists . And I think it's important

1:15:14

that we now understand

1:15:16

we have choices in

1:15:18

the way we live . And

1:15:20

I want to transition this to the other talk

1:15:23

that we talked about in the

1:15:25

non-recorded previous episode that we recorded

1:15:27

and that is kingdoms

1:15:30

of glory , because I think that's also

1:15:32

relevant in the sense

1:15:34

that we have to use our agency to determine

1:15:37

what kind of eternity

1:15:39

we live . Are we using

1:15:41

our agency today to determine what kind

1:15:43

of country we live , what

1:15:46

kind of world we live , or are we just

1:15:48

letting things happen ? So the

1:15:50

talk that I want to bring up from 2023

1:15:53

is Kingdoms of Glory by

1:15:55

Dallin H Oaks and

1:15:57

this was a controversial talk

1:16:00

apparently for many people

1:16:02

from 2023 , october

1:16:04

2023 , where

1:16:07

essentially President

1:16:09

Oaks , dallin H Oaks he's kind of

1:16:11

asking what kind of world do you want to live

1:16:13

in for eternity ? The

1:16:15

doctrine of Christ is that we essentially

1:16:18

get to choose how we live

1:16:20

in eternity , but our

1:16:22

choices here impact that

1:16:25

eternal life . So if we get used

1:16:27

to making terrible choices here , if

1:16:29

we get used to making the telestial

1:16:32

or terrestrial choices here , then

1:16:34

we end up with telestial

1:16:36

, terrestrial choices for eternity . And

1:16:39

it was controversial to a lot of people because there's

1:16:41

this idea and this talks into the next one

1:16:43

we're going to talk about that . Somehow . That's

1:16:46

I'll just say it , the roadblock in

1:16:48

our way of being with God again , but

1:16:51

in kingdoms of glory . I think it explains

1:16:54

out very clearly that , contrary

1:16:56

to traditional Christian views of heaven

1:16:58

and hell and I think it's what scripture

1:17:00

is it where Christ is essentially

1:17:03

in the third degree of

1:17:05

heaven as it's described ? I'm

1:17:08

not going to remember the scripture right now , but it's in the third degree of heaven as it's described . I'm not going to remember the scripture right now , but it's in the New Testament

1:17:10

, I think it's . Paul says

1:17:12

Christ was caught up in the third degree of heaven

1:17:14

and essentially

1:17:17

we make the choice where

1:17:19

we go . And as

1:17:21

a country , I'll tell you . I think , based on our

1:17:23

divine constitution , talk , and based on

1:17:25

do not be deceived we have made a choice

1:17:28

to live in a lower

1:17:30

than telestial world . We are right

1:17:32

now . We're not in a great place , but we

1:17:35

don't have to make that choice for eternity . We can have

1:17:37

celestial glory . Celestial glory means

1:17:39

there's also some principles and laws to

1:17:42

obey . So , josh , tell me what

1:17:44

were some of your thoughts on the talk . Kingdoms of

1:17:46

glory .

1:17:47

Well , I

1:17:51

think the biggest thought that I have with Kingdoms of Glory is people . I think the reason why

1:17:53

it was so controversial or so offensive to people is

1:17:56

because you're being told that your actions

1:17:58

have consequences and you

1:18:00

get to choose . Like it's not up to anybody else

1:18:03

. We have this belief and

1:18:05

in all of Christianity .

1:18:07

And all of the world . It's not just Christianity .

1:18:10

But , like in Christianity specifically , there's

1:18:12

this belief that , and

1:18:15

not a false understanding

1:18:17

of who Christ is right

1:18:19

, he is our Savior , right and it is

1:18:22

only through him that we can get to our Heavenly

1:18:24

Father . So in most

1:18:26

of Christianity and even within the church

1:18:28

, I believe that there are people who think Christ

1:18:31

is going to save me and he is

1:18:33

.

1:18:33

He's already done the work . He's already done His part

1:18:35

.

1:18:36

Exactly , and that's the thing is . I think that people don't

1:18:38

want to accept that , yes

1:18:40

, christ has . He

1:18:43

is the only way that we can get back

1:18:45

to where we want to be . But that doesn't

1:18:47

take away your responsibility

1:18:50

, that doesn't take away the

1:18:52

things that you have to do to

1:18:55

get to him . And there's , like this

1:18:57

, there's this thought that , oh no , he's , he's

1:18:59

, he just loves me . Christianity

1:19:01

or Christ , is just love , and he loves

1:19:03

me for who I am and he loves me for what I'm doing

1:19:05

, period , end

1:19:07

of story . So I can do what I want

1:19:10

and he's going to love me and he loves

1:19:12

me , no matter who I am or no matter

1:19:14

what I am , which , again , isn't false .

1:19:17

He's already shown he loves you . He gave his life for you .

1:19:18

He does love you , and he was resurrected . But

1:19:21

he says because I love you , keep

1:19:23

my commandments , because I've done this

1:19:25

thing for you . Now you have to show

1:19:27

me your love and you

1:19:29

have to give up yourself and the

1:19:31

things that you want to

1:19:34

make it now . And I think that a lot

1:19:36

of people don't fully understand or

1:19:38

they won't . They get offended

1:19:40

at that step . They get offended at

1:19:42

the I now have to do something

1:19:45

I don't want to do .

1:19:46

I now have to do something I don't want

1:19:48

to do .

1:19:48

I have to align with God's will and do something

1:19:51

that maybe isn't something that I want to do

1:19:53

right now and change something

1:19:55

. Give myself up for

1:19:57

him and they're like , well , I don't see him , so

1:19:59

why would I give myself up for him ? And so they get offended

1:20:01

. People get offended by truth , right ? That's

1:20:03

just what happens .

1:20:05

That's natural .

1:20:05

And so they get this thing , they get this talk

1:20:07

by Elder Oaks that says , hey , these

1:20:09

are the kingdoms of glory , these are the steps , these

1:20:12

are the places that you're going to end up , this

1:20:14

is where you're going to be Based on your own choices . But

1:20:17

that's what he says . He says this is where you're going to be . But

1:20:19

you have to choose where

1:20:22

you want to be and you choose by

1:20:24

how repentant you are Like . Are you

1:20:26

going to be a fully repentant

1:20:29

person and say I'm wrong

1:20:31

in almost everything

1:20:33

that I do and believe personally and

1:20:36

within the core of who I believe I

1:20:38

am ? Am I wrong ? And if

1:20:40

I am , then I have to give all of that

1:20:42

up , turn myself over and say this

1:20:45

is the stuff I don't want to do . What

1:20:47

do you want me to be and what

1:20:49

do you want me to do ?

1:20:50

What do you want me to have , lord ?

1:20:51

And you have to ask him , you have to

1:20:53

say that and then , with faith , move forward and do it

1:20:55

. So if I feel like I'm , if

1:20:58

I , if I feel like pornography

1:21:00

addiction is in me and I can't change

1:21:02

that , that's just something that I want to have

1:21:04

. That's just part of who I am . I have

1:21:07

to lay that aside and say yeah , and you have

1:21:09

to accept that as my brother

1:21:11

. You have to accept that . That's just who I am

1:21:13

.

1:21:13

Right .

1:21:14

And the Lord is still going to love me , even though I'm

1:21:16

not doing something that , even though I'm doing something

1:21:18

that he doesn't want me to do . That's

1:21:20

not how this works . It says I have

1:21:22

to give that part of me up to

1:21:25

get something better . I have

1:21:27

to give that part of me up and say that's

1:21:29

not actually who I . That's who I maybe

1:21:31

. That's that's who I am as

1:21:34

a mortal being . As a human

1:21:36

brain that's , that's a

1:21:39

struggle or that's a thing that I deal with . But

1:21:41

that's not who the Lord wants me to be . That's

1:21:43

not who I was before I came here and that's

1:21:45

not who I want to be after I come , after I came

1:21:48

here . So I have to say nope

1:21:50

, that's not that thing that I want to

1:21:52

do , isn't the thing the Lord wants me to do . So

1:21:54

I have to say no to it and

1:21:56

find a way that he can change my heart

1:21:58

so I no longer desire that thing

1:22:01

, so I no longer feel the way

1:22:03

that I felt before and I I can say

1:22:05

my heart has changed to

1:22:07

a place where now I am what

1:22:09

the Lord wants me to be . Or I'm aligning

1:22:12

myself with what he's asking me

1:22:14

to do and not just what

1:22:16

I want to do .

1:22:18

Well , and I will turn this

1:22:20

back into again , going back toward the other

1:22:22

side of things with me , is that's some energy

1:22:24

work stuff . I get this all the time from people

1:22:26

. They come in and they have an issue

1:22:29

they're trying to fight against , and I always

1:22:31

tell people I work through the Lord

1:22:33

Jesus Christ . You go down into my office , there's

1:22:35

pictures of Christ . I have my master's in psychology

1:22:37

. I didn't go into therapy for a reason because you're

1:22:40

not even allowed to discuss

1:22:42

Christ really You're not allowed

1:22:44

to . So I don't believe in

1:22:46

that . So I went toward coaching and spiritual

1:22:48

coaching and energy work . But

1:22:51

so many people come in and

1:22:53

they'll say I have X addiction

1:22:55

. Right , maybe I'm addicted to some sort

1:22:57

of drug or maybe I'm addicted to pornography

1:22:59

. Or , believe it or not , some people

1:23:01

are addicted to violence and anger . That's

1:23:03

a real thing because it gets them what

1:23:06

they want and they don't want to give it up

1:23:08

. And so they believe . And

1:23:10

I have many people who come in and they say , man

1:23:12

, I believe in Christ . He will eventually

1:23:14

take this from me , he will eventually take it

1:23:16

from me . And I will say to those people Christ

1:23:19

will never take anything

1:23:21

from you . The act of

1:23:23

taking something is different

1:23:26

than the act of receiving something . Christ will

1:23:28

receive it from you . To

1:23:30

take is through force , to receive

1:23:32

is through power . And so Christ

1:23:35

has his hand open , but

1:23:37

he will never go into your hand and steal

1:23:40

your addiction from you . He will never

1:23:42

go in and take anything

1:23:44

from you . He will have his hand open and he will

1:23:46

ask you hand me it . And you can hand

1:23:49

it to him , you can willingly give it , but

1:23:51

he will never do it . I have people come to me all the time

1:23:53

and say I believe eventually Christ will

1:23:55

take it from me . I'll tell them this Christ

1:23:57

already died , he already suffered in the garden

1:23:59

, he was already resurrected . He's done his work . It's

1:24:08

our job to hand things over to him . He does not take anything . He has already taken upon the cross . And

1:24:11

in the last conference I think , there was a talk

1:24:13

that said taking upon your cross , right , like

1:24:15

we have to also recognize it's

1:24:18

our responsibility . And

1:24:20

going back to that quote from Hebrews C Kimball

1:24:22

, the time will come where no man or

1:24:24

woman will be able to endure on borrowed light

1:24:26

, even on that borrowed

1:24:28

light of Christ . If we don't take

1:24:31

action , if we don't make

1:24:34

the choices , we can't endure on

1:24:36

the borrowed light of Christ . God's

1:24:38

grace and mercy is there , but

1:24:42

he can never and I love what this talk is saying

1:24:44

is he can never force us into

1:24:46

a place that we are unwilling

1:24:48

to go . He can never force

1:24:51

us into a degree of glory

1:24:53

, a kingdom of glory , that

1:24:55

we're unwilling to be there , and

1:24:58

that's important . I think that talk does offend

1:25:00

people because what it says is , to

1:25:02

some people , that Christ is limited . No , christ

1:25:04

is limitless . We put

1:25:07

all the blocks in the way . Christ

1:25:09

is limited . No , christ is limitless . We put all the blocks in the way . We hold on to our addictions

1:25:11

, we hold on to our resentment , we hold on to our anger .

1:25:13

We hold on to the natural man and

1:25:15

say I'm going to because , because

1:25:18

I am in quotes this way

1:25:21

, then I don't

1:25:23

need to change , because this is who I am . What an arrogant way to think

1:25:25

too . I don't need to change because this is who I am .

1:25:26

What an arrogant way to think , too . I

1:25:28

don't need to change because this is who I am . Well

1:25:31

, if that's the case , why are you not wearing the same shoes ? When

1:25:33

you were three years old , you were that way . Wear

1:25:35

the same pair of shoes , make your feet fit into them

1:25:39

. Don't change , don't change .

1:25:41

And it's the thought of I can't

1:25:44

do any different , I can't get any

1:25:46

better , I can't

1:25:49

be what the Lord

1:25:51

wants me to be because he can't

1:25:53

change me . It's

1:25:57

putting limits on what the Lord

1:25:59

can do for you , right you're limiting the Lord

1:26:01

. You can't do this because

1:26:03

this is who I am . You can't change

1:26:05

me because this is who I am . So

1:26:08

I'm not going to change because you can't do it , when

1:26:10

really the fact is that he can change you

1:26:12

, he can change the way he can , he can

1:26:15

do whatever he wants .

1:26:16

Christ can transform everything

1:26:18

.

1:26:18

And he can change you into what he wants you to

1:26:20

be , not what you want you to be . But that's

1:26:23

what it comes down to again is what

1:26:25

do you want versus what does

1:26:27

the Lord want , and

1:26:29

that's where I think people get offended , right Is ? I

1:26:31

want to be saved in my sin . I want

1:26:33

to be saved .

1:26:34

I want to be saved . Yeah , through my sin

1:26:36

, not through the Savior .

1:26:37

I want to be saved in the things that I want

1:26:39

to be saved in , not in the things , not in the

1:26:41

ways that the Lord wants me to be saved , right

1:26:43

he's . I want to be able to do

1:26:46

what I want to do and still have the

1:26:48

benefit that other people get when

1:26:50

they're not doing the things they want to do . And

1:26:52

so that's what it really comes down to is , people

1:26:55

get offended by

1:26:57

the fact that it's a responsible

1:26:59

, that they're responsible for themselves , and

1:27:02

some people they look at that and say

1:27:04

, great , I'll be responsible for myself and I'll still

1:27:06

choose a lesser kingdom

1:27:08

and that's fine , like if you , if that's

1:27:11

your choice , if you want to say I'm

1:27:13

not going to . If you

1:27:15

get this knowledge and you understand and

1:27:18

you receive spiritual revelation that

1:27:20

this is true and then you decide

1:27:23

you know what . It's

1:27:25

not worth it for me . I want to enjoy

1:27:27

. I want to do what I want

1:27:29

to do . I don't want to do what the Lord wants me to do . I

1:27:31

want to find joy in this life the

1:27:34

way I want to find joy , not

1:27:36

the way the Lord wants me to find joy . And

1:27:39

people will say , yeah

1:27:41

, if that's your choice , then outright and

1:27:43

say it . That's fine . Nobody's

1:27:45

going to judge you for saying that .

1:27:47

Nobody's going to judge you for wanting to do what you want

1:27:49

to do yeah , have integrity and say that's the reason

1:27:51

I'm making these choices . I don't want to

1:27:53

live by those standards

1:27:56

. That's okay , that's fine

1:27:58

. But don't go around being like no

1:28:00

God just is going to accept me into his presence

1:28:02

as the sin that I am

1:28:05

, because that's not the way

1:28:07

it works .

1:28:07

Yeah , and don't bring down other people just because you

1:28:09

don't want to live the life that they're living . Don't

1:28:13

force others into your life or

1:28:15

don't force others to do the things that

1:28:17

you want them to do . You don't

1:28:19

want them to do that to you , so you just say

1:28:21

you know what To others . Yeah , I'll

1:28:23

be fine . Like , if you want to live a telestial

1:28:25

life or a terrestrial life , live that

1:28:27

life , that's fine . But don't come at me

1:28:29

and say and try and bring me down

1:28:31

to your level because you don't , because

1:28:34

you see me wanting something different

1:28:36

.

1:28:36

Well , and misery loves company , right , and

1:28:38

that's not a religious

1:28:41

quote , that is a literally

1:28:43

a statement , that is historical

1:28:45

Misery loves company

1:28:47

. Those who are downtrodden , those

1:28:49

who are making negative and I'll go back to energy work those who are downtrodden , those

1:28:51

who are making negative and I'll go back to energy work those who are making negative energy

1:28:53

choices want others around

1:28:56

them to make negative energy choices . And

1:28:58

I can talk about this from frequencies , because

1:29:00

if you study frequencies and

1:29:03

vibrations , there

1:29:05

are certain frequencies and vibrations

1:29:08

that achieve

1:29:10

certain emotional states . There's

1:29:12

a doctor called Dr Hawkins who came up

1:29:14

with a whole book and study on

1:29:17

frequencies and emotions and

1:29:19

on the low end there's things

1:29:22

like guilt and shame . These

1:29:24

are low vibrations , low frequencies

1:29:26

. Frequencies and fear and

1:29:28

grief and anger

1:29:31

and pride . These are all low

1:29:33

, under 200 megahertz . Above

1:29:40

200 megahertz starts with courage and goes all the way up to enlightenment . This scale

1:29:42

that he came up with is fantastic If you look at

1:29:44

it and you understand the world

1:29:46

works under 200 frequencies

1:29:49

, 200 megahertz frequencies . He

1:29:51

explains it in the book about if you look

1:29:54

at nations

1:29:56

who have armies and standing wars

1:29:58

that are going on . It's all about American

1:30:00

pride . It's all about pride , pride , pride , pride , pride in

1:30:03

their army in this ? Well , it's all

1:30:05

destructive . You talk about

1:30:07

people . The pride becomes before the fall

1:30:09

. It's a frequency . So

1:30:11

misery loves company . So

1:30:13

if you're around people who , at a frequency

1:30:16

, operate below 200 hertz

1:30:18

anywhere between pride

1:30:20

all the way down to guilt and shame , they

1:30:23

want people around them to

1:30:25

be at the same frequency , the

1:30:27

same energy level . So

1:30:29

you can relate that to the three kingdoms of glory

1:30:31

, in that you will essentially

1:30:34

live at the frequency and vibration

1:30:36

that you choose you

1:30:39

do . That's reality . The

1:30:41

food you eat has a vibrational frequency

1:30:43

. The things

1:30:46

you consume through your eyes , the entertainment

1:30:48

you watch has a vibrational frequency

1:30:50

. The things you smell

1:30:52

, the things you touch , the people

1:30:55

around you have a vibrational

1:30:57

frequency . So if you

1:31:00

think and I encourage people to

1:31:02

look up that scale , the Hawkins scale if

1:31:04

you look at that and you see you're around people

1:31:07

who were always in fear , were

1:31:09

always angry , guess

1:31:12

what You're choosing essentially

1:31:21

, if you were to compare and contrast telestial life , that's what you're choosing

1:31:24

for eternity . And the thing that this talk also , I think , discusses importantly

1:31:26

is and maybe not in depth

1:31:28

, but there's laws and

1:31:31

there's consequences for each of those

1:31:33

kingdoms , just like there is

1:31:35

for frequencies and vibrations

1:31:38

. And when

1:31:40

I talk about that stagnation and toxicity

1:31:42

and death . Imagine

1:31:44

living in eternity where you're surrounded

1:31:47

by people who live in anger

1:31:49

.

1:31:50

What if that's frequency that you're

1:31:52

talking about , like

1:31:54

these electromagnetic frequencies and the

1:31:56

things that you're talking about aren't necessarily

1:31:59

frequencies .

1:32:01

Well , that's how we understand it , but they're not . And they know where

1:32:03

you're going .

1:32:04

Yes , it's the spiritual side

1:32:06

of things that we can't

1:32:08

see .

1:32:08

Yes .

1:32:09

Right Like it's not just

1:32:11

like we've assigned them

1:32:13

.

1:32:14

We've assigned them emotions .

1:32:15

We've assigned them scientific terms . Right

1:32:18

, because using

1:32:21

correct terms might

1:32:24

offend somebody , might turn

1:32:26

somebody off of what

1:32:28

you're trying to tell them . Because they don't see it that

1:32:30

way , right , they

1:32:33

want to be given something that

1:32:35

is easier for them to understand

1:32:37

.

1:32:38

It's easier to digest and therefore

1:32:40

, again , misery loves company . People love

1:32:42

being around the same vibrational frequency

1:32:44

of themselves . It's amazing

1:32:46

to me that he came up with this scale and

1:32:49

, by the way , he's a Christian guy . His whole story

1:32:51

is fantastic . You should read his book because

1:32:54

for a long time he

1:32:56

stopped believing in God and he only believed

1:32:58

in the science of frequencies until

1:33:00

he got really sick and

1:33:02

he couldn't understand why

1:33:04

he was not able to heal himself when he had helped

1:33:07

other people get healed

1:33:09

and he realized it

1:33:11

wasn't that he healed anybody , it

1:33:13

was their faith in God healed them . He just

1:33:15

happened to show them a modality that helped

1:33:17

them heal . But he

1:33:20

put pride right at

1:33:22

the top of the lower half of that scale

1:33:24

and I

1:33:26

have this podcast called

1:33:29

Rainbow Mafia , because I

1:33:31

got sick of the alphabet community and

1:33:34

they literally have a festival

1:33:36

a month called Pride Month

1:33:39

, literally the

1:33:41

top of the lowest frequencies

1:33:43

you can get . They have dedicated

1:33:45

to it . So misery

1:33:48

, yes , misery loves company . I

1:33:51

have never met more miserable people in

1:33:53

my life than the gay community . I

1:33:56

don't care what people say , I

1:33:58

know more gay miserable people than anyone

1:34:00

else , and they'll blame religion , they'll blame god

1:34:02

, they'll blame this , they'll blame that , but they'll never

1:34:04

internally look at themselves and say

1:34:06

I'm drinking , I partying

1:34:09

, I'm having sex with random people and

1:34:11

I'm out here messing up my life

1:34:14

, but they're living in pride

1:34:16

. And that's why I think frequencies

1:34:18

ties to kingdoms of glory

1:34:21

and spiritually , so

1:34:23

we call it . We can look at it scientifically and it can

1:34:25

be measured . It can

1:34:27

be measured Frequencies , vibrations can

1:34:30

be measured . But also we

1:34:32

could take this into a whole new thing where we talk

1:34:34

about the way God works and God

1:34:37

spoke into existence creation

1:34:39

. Frequencies and vibrations

1:34:41

come from your voice . Literally

1:34:43

, there's wavelengths that

1:34:46

come from your tune , of your voice . Therefore

1:34:49

, creation is frequency , creation

1:34:51

is vibration . I think it was Albert Einstein or

1:34:54

was it Nikola

1:34:57

Tesla that said everything's energy and if you understood

1:34:59

this , you would understand how everything's created , because

1:35:02

frequencies and energy are everything . And

1:35:05

that's why Kingdom of Glory is

1:35:07

an important talk , because whether or not

1:35:09

you believe in God or you believe in frequencies

1:35:11

, they are the same thing and

1:35:14

you will be categorized for eternity based

1:35:17

on what you choose . Here and

1:35:19

now we have grace . This is

1:35:21

why the grace of God's important , because he talks

1:35:23

about this in this talk that

1:35:26

even those who

1:35:28

maybe haven't made the right choices in this life

1:35:30

will be given the

1:35:32

opportunity to make it right . The

1:35:34

dead who repent will be redeemed through

1:35:37

obedience to the ordinance of the house of God

1:35:39

. So this is

1:35:41

to say the

1:35:43

highest level frequency

1:35:46

or vibration out there is

1:35:48

the law of God , which is ultimate

1:35:50

forgiveness and

1:35:52

on the scale and in Buddhism

1:35:55

and in Taoism and in Hinduism it's called

1:35:57

enlightenment or nirvana , and

1:36:00

that is that you can

1:36:03

, in eternity , be

1:36:05

given the chance to have wholeness

1:36:07

and oneness . We're not some

1:36:09

special religion that believes in

1:36:12

repentance after death or baptism of

1:36:14

the dead . Technically they all believe in it in

1:36:16

different forms . But this

1:36:18

talk is important because he's saying there

1:36:21

still is hope for those who have

1:36:23

made transgressions and errors in

1:36:25

this life . In fact we

1:36:27

have a millennia of a thousand years following

1:36:29

the second coming . Which ordinances

1:36:32

are important ? Which temple

1:36:34

work is important ? When

1:36:37

I talk about frequencies and vibrations and

1:36:40

all of this stuff on the energetic

1:36:42

and scientific side of things , it's because

1:36:45

it's real . It's been

1:36:47

prophesied in scripture and

1:36:50

so this talk . I love it because

1:36:53

all we're doing in the lds

1:36:55

church is saying there's

1:36:57

kingdoms of glory . You

1:37:00

will get to choose the . The grace

1:37:02

of god and the mercy of god

1:37:05

is to say you will get to choose my

1:37:07

son , jesus Christ , and

1:37:10

through him he

1:37:12

will accept your

1:37:14

sins , your mistakes , your low

1:37:16

frequency choices and

1:37:19

so long as you don't continue to make

1:37:21

them , you are allowed in

1:37:23

my presence . It's that simple

1:37:25

.

1:37:26

Yep and it's , and it's us

1:37:29

changing .

1:37:30

It's us changing , and that's kind of

1:37:32

what president oaks talks about in his talk

1:37:34

.

1:37:34

Right , he says he and and this

1:37:36

is , I think , a difference between us and

1:37:38

like what you're saying with other religions

1:37:40

, right , other religions teach these things . They have , they