My guest this week is the delightful Hailly. Hailly doesn't have her own children, but she has mothered. In this episode, we cover all the ways somebody can be a mother, the fucked-up criminal justice system, divorce, and what happens when someone's parent is pressuring them to have children. We also talk about the power of a woman without children, and how uncomfortable that makes people. Hailly is the perfect example of a woman who didn't have children but doesn't see it as a loss—she has a very well-informed perspective on everything she's gotten back as a result of not having kids. Hailly is brilliant & thoughtful - you're going to love this episode! Enjoy!

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