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round us ah I,

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a week ago my father passed

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my oldest brother. Was

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the spirit of visiting you are

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january i think And

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you gave him a I'm.

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mantra to chat to help

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mother's funeral Ah.

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i think all the heart song And

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at night and vaguely remember him telling

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me that the so years ago.

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from the funeral. Then, but

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he said it was.

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sake. I'll never forget you

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alone.

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someone from personal experience I

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landed boy love at landed hearing, that

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me in the great thank you. For sharing.

13:42

that ran i'm happy to our

13:45

obvious to you happy new year

13:50

Hunt charge year on hello.

13:52

romney yes Yeah,

13:55

yeah, why it out here the? The

13:57

seeker in the past, what are your views are? The

14:00

portion. What was one

14:02

of my views about what about abortion? Yeah,

14:05

but abortion know what's the question about abortion?

14:08

I mean, there is

14:10

a thing called abortion, what does it you're asking

14:13

me specifically? Oh.

14:16

marker on the. street

14:21

Always carry my child

14:23

for a while, you have no for.

14:27

The and. The

14:30

average, you know, he is now.

14:35

Gordon quite. heavy are both

14:37

of us

14:39

And wonder what kind of a practitioner I have,

14:41

you know? The do such

14:44

nascar. The

14:46

know. Oh. The,

14:49

you know?

14:51

I can hear all of the pain you're

14:54

going through and I'm sure she's going

14:56

through. And all

14:58

of the feelings of guilt and self

15:00

recrimination and, that's

15:02

all part of what this process

15:05

of being having the make choices

15:07

like this in life are about and i

15:10

I hear how painful it is I,

15:13

once was with a. very

15:16

spiritually aware of being an

15:18

eye "We were talking

15:20

about abortion and", he said.

15:24

And I've heard this in many other spiritual

15:26

context that. know

15:28

being leaves The

15:30

moment too soon or a moment too late.

15:33

And even if it's being in utero.

15:37

That there is kind of

15:39

deeper wisdom in the universe that.

15:42

is that child if that being

15:44

was to come up to life

15:46

and come in to form

15:49

You wouldn't have been able to abort

15:52

that child no matter what you did.

15:54

It would be in this it's sole

15:56

would demand manifestation and,.

15:59

i see It as the. The

16:02

relationship among the three

16:04

souls you and the

16:06

woman that was carrying

16:08

the fetus and the fetus.

16:11

And all of them have some kind

16:13

of contract with one another and.

16:15

sometimes beings just have to come

16:18

in to In to

16:20

settle for him to finish whatever

16:22

they have to do and then they

16:24

can go on beyond their what.

16:27

also feel is that the more

16:31

conscious you be calm. The

16:34

less likely you are

16:36

too. The hall fourth'a

16:38

a being by procreating.

16:42

That you are not ready to carry

16:44

through and embrace and support so.

16:48

Because your life changes with a

16:50

pregnancy and but as

16:52

you become more conscious you say all right now

16:54

new moment my life has changed now

16:56

what will I do with this new moments so?

16:59

i think that the What I say

17:01

to you as can understand your pain

17:04

and all of the feelings you're feeling but.

17:07

i think that there is a deeper wisdom

17:09

in the whole situation and

17:11

the juices just listen to hear that

17:14

and let the pain

17:16

of all of this deep in your compassion

17:19

so that your actions in the future

17:22

are ones that so that you

17:24

can have the legacy from

17:26

this being who came briefly

17:28

to be with you and less that

17:30

legacy be one of the increasing

17:33

wisdom and compassion and the way you live your

17:35

life it would be terrible if the The

17:38

to sacrifice it's life

17:40

at all at left you with was killed in recrimination

17:43

that would seem to be kind of

17:46

an. unfortunate legacy so i

17:48

invite you to have that and than get on

17:50

with it Okay. That

17:54

over. That would be to persuaded.

17:57

They'll that's the way I do.

18:04

The having a lot of trouble with it and,

18:06

all you can do is love her and

18:08

be present. with her

18:11

The just keep. your heart

18:13

open and be strong and keep your

18:15

faith in the deeper wisdom of the

18:17

universe That's one of the things

18:19

you can do. That will be very helpful

18:21

for her. Then just keep

18:23

your heart often with her as much as you can.

18:28

You can take away her suffering, she's gonna do

18:30

her suffering until she's done doing.

18:41

Yeah, OK, er.

18:44

Happy New Year, happy, oh, happy new year

18:47

to you to avoid year after year,

18:49

I hope it is a happy new year for her, to

18:52

would you send her my love? Yeah

18:54

I told him quite a bit about his

18:57

first will tell her that I'm thinking about

18:59

her and I am I, am holding

19:01

are deeply in my heart and just hope

19:03

that she can come through all this quickly

19:05

and realize the joy

19:08

and the beauty of her life. and

19:10

now take it and lizard as richly

19:12

of how quickly as possible Tonight.

19:17

Donna, good evening. The

19:19

evening. What an honor.

19:22

Many have a nice thing. People

19:24

have heard so many, many hours

19:27

week.

19:29

Well, here's the body it comes out of this

19:31

ssssss

19:32

This hearing the life of that body

19:35

is this a lot of insight of,

19:37

system, in l things they

19:39

come through each day I was so

19:41

I'm sixty, two sixty

19:44

am I've been twenty five years. for it and

19:48

at when i was born almost didn't get born

19:51

had a couple of holes in my sights in

19:53

iowa And now

19:56

that I'm approaching the elders say I.

19:59

am having to With reaping. One.

20:02

Keeping say the least, the say. A leaping,

20:04

yeah, okay? I

20:07

use this be able to do pretty good, guess

20:09

is something that was not said was

20:11

afraid of and could get to the other

20:13

side, although my mother always said had

20:15

a problem with finishing things will

20:18

this time I would. want

20:20

to see the faces, saw it, and want

20:22

to have. want to leave

20:24

a legacy behind that own

20:27

you know that's really powerful and idol

20:29

or was it needs to be and,

20:31

I'm not sure if think I'm

20:33

having three questions here. one

20:36

is how can is over

20:38

the legacy before my time before says

20:40

that i need to leave and never once

20:42

have how can you help me with Well,

20:45

the only thing I assume say, you

20:47

know. When place to another from

20:50

to a higher. Urine

20:53

feels like I need to learn that before this

20:55

live in. In. The

20:59

other way.

20:59

Okay we'll let me work with those two cats

21:02

first of all I would say that maybe

21:04

the metaphor you using of leaping

21:06

isn't the the, optimum

21:08

description of what's going on because.

21:11

you already have incredible

21:13

safe In the fact that

21:15

there is a face of God that there is are

21:19

as kind of an incredible beauty

21:22

and inherent. Then.

21:25

Spiritual truth in.

21:28

the universe And that

21:30

you're ready is the thing that your

21:32

existence is leaving as legacy

21:35

to everybody around you and all of

21:37

us because. you're are

21:39

ready just in the way in which

21:41

you are That yearning

21:43

you're having is already

21:46

reminding people of what

21:48

is possible and, so

21:51

I mean, the fact that you are blind

21:54

and that you are have this

21:56

yearning is such a powerful

21:59

state. The have faith in and of itself.

22:02

That I mean, think this the blindness

22:05

has served you to

22:07

take you in word into

22:10

a the other dimension of relation

22:12

to spirit. And as such,

22:14

it's okay, it's a. It's hard

22:17

gift, but it's the still gift. Then

22:20

I would also say and

22:22

don't think that's being a,

22:24

pollyannaish think really hear that

22:26

clearly. and And

22:29

would say it's also clear to me

22:32

that. When you use the term "see

22:35

the face of God", you understand that

22:37

it's not seeing with your eyes

22:39

which are blinded at the it is

22:41

seeing. The with

22:43

your heart. And. If

22:45

you start to just feel it in

22:48

everything around you and realize that all

22:50

of the people, and

22:52

things and forms of the earth

22:55

and of nature are all

22:57

the. Different aspects of the face

22:59

of God and just keep looking

23:01

more deeply in with your heart

23:04

that hard vision that begins

23:06

to see the divinity that seen the everything,

23:09

all. Right know boy your delicious,

23:12

same as that, of, other of

23:15

wow. thank

23:17

you my dear perhaps the night

23:20

Right Mundo, good evening.

23:23

Those are me, yeah, that's you are

23:25

great an hour

23:28

on questioner are. Basically

23:31

your home. Spirituality

23:34

and down.

23:36

How to deal with conflict as

23:38

far as a come from different

23:40

country and, or, I

23:43

find that a I

23:45

have a problems

23:47

dealing with. dealing with

23:51

the conflicts that i see a

23:54

as far as People

23:57

getting along with each other, you know, and ah?

24:00

I see myself as far

24:02

as work come from are.

24:04

in this country and maybe you

24:06

can help me with it

24:08

You say I you have difficulty

24:10

in dealing with the conflict that exists

24:12

among people including yourself just

24:15

ride girl ever mean by you have difficulty

24:17

with wow or something? that

24:19

i see our or mean

24:22

I always go for going on in the world via

24:24

with differing not an,

24:27

ethnic groups you know in different

24:29

countries and nationalities. and i

24:32

see out for myself you know where

24:34

i'm from euro the

24:36

own people have different views

24:38

of was right on was wrong you know

24:41

so well as a cbs what i

24:43

wanted to talk to you are on my

24:45

way of hearing a lot of that he

24:47

is dead He ball.

24:50

Are very afraid when they are.

24:53

The and incarnation and, they

24:55

deal with their fears by

24:58

wanting to hold on to some identity

25:01

It makes them feel like they

25:03

have a, safe haven

25:06

or a meaningful place or some

25:08

somebody in this real mess and

25:10

often that turns out to be

25:13

an identity with ethnicity or

25:15

religion or nation nationality.

25:18

and those identities They

25:20

get strength from feeling part of

25:23

group that the predicament with that is

25:25

that it then. Relegate

25:28

every one that's not part of that group to

25:30

other or them. And

25:32

that world of us and them

25:35

is world in which it's very, very

25:37

hard not to. They

25:39

get caught in the fear of the

25:41

other.

25:42

And the fear that there is some threat

25:45

to your own existence and your

25:47

own group identity and,

25:49

so you'll look at the world you'll look at the

25:51

Arab Israeli conflict you look

25:54

at the conflicts in Africa the numerous

25:56

conflicts in Africa. you look

25:58

at the conflicts in iraq And

26:01

you just feel, and the conflicts in

26:03

the United States is in

26:05

racial conflicts and sauce, and

26:08

you can seal in those. The

26:10

incredible pain that everybody's

26:12

caught him. And the

26:15

question is what. is

26:17

it

26:17

When you feel that pain and

26:19

how horrible that conflict is

26:22

is. your feeling at the optimum

26:25

thing you can do to

26:27

be an instrument for the relief

26:29

of that kind of suffering that's finally

26:32

the question i asked myself

26:34

and realized that for me just to be

26:37

Appalled by us. Doesn't

26:40

really. The address the

26:42

issue of how I am an instrument to

26:44

make it better and, the way

26:46

i can make it better is by keeping

26:49

in my heart With is compassionate

26:52

a stance as I can the,

26:55

the people in the conflict

26:57

and how they've gotten caught in that and how

26:59

frightened they are and how they contract

27:01

it around a belief system and how they then

27:03

treat others as others and

27:05

how then they project into the other

27:08

all of the evils that they can handle

27:10

in life and the darkness and

27:13

you You, you're

27:15

the your compassion of appreciating

27:17

all that allows you

27:19

to keep your heart literally opened in

27:21

hell. Because there is lot

27:23

of hell in this world in terms of just

27:26

the shadow part of it all. So

27:28

if you keep your hide open with love?

27:32

Hi was all people. Even

27:34

though you might say to somebody that's wrong

27:37

and I'm going to stop you from doing it, do

27:39

it without closing your heart, at

27:42

least you are offering to all

27:44

human beings at all times

27:46

a. Hart to Hart

27:48

resuscitation: You're offering

27:50

something of your own being you're

27:53

being with other people in love,

27:55

and that to me is gift that you've then

27:58

bring that is the best you can do to. All

28:00

the situation. We

28:02

talking to one another.

28:04

I know can hear you, or

28:06

is it is there any way of a world

28:08

where I lucid are usually are?

28:11

Well, if, I if have view

28:13

completely different and can understand why

28:15

would you saying about keeping my heart open

28:18

towards them you know,? a thank

28:22

you and i could have views that are different

28:24

without denigrating each other

28:26

putting each other down or not hearing

28:28

each other as fellow beings that are just

28:30

because of our culture in our lives

28:33

have different views know i've come

28:35

to a conclusion myself great

28:37

but my problem is that It.

28:40

Been here in this country if

28:43

I express my views, you know, I'm

28:45

seeing like our our, mean,

28:48

am not able to do that, you know

28:50

where he is. Saves you have a different

28:52

view and I do, can, you know, can deal

28:54

with it and can upset you, abuse

28:56

and arms a yeah, but then again

28:58

you. Know, I cannot do it,

29:01

and feel hurt other people

29:03

don't accept your views exactly, and have

29:06

lots or of frustration, you know, well,

29:08

that's an interesting thing. Of whether you want to end

29:10

up having a terrible frustrations that is the

29:12

way it is that's, because those

29:15

people are caught in their prejudices

29:17

or biases or judgments. and

29:19

the question if you end up being frustrated

29:21

by that than their minds got you minds

29:24

sense okay and the best thing

29:26

is to leave them with their

29:28

frustrations

29:30

And. You just keep your heart open

29:32

and you listen carefully

29:34

to hear how you can express

29:37

your opinions in a way that is

29:39

heard by people without

29:41

being confronted of without

29:43

being. Reactive to their stuff,

29:46

you hear their stuff, and you just listen

29:48

to it in your run it through yourself as lightly

29:51

as possible without getting caught with it.

29:55

I hope that helps a little bit, okay, thanks

29:57

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Lisa, good evening. Hello,

31:19

hello, Lisa A. Oh, you're going on.

31:22

I'm calling because my

31:24

mother passed away this here. I'm

31:26

kind of in is that place with some kind

31:29

of starting to come out of. He

31:32

suffered several years with them. The

31:35

rubella fact that her lungs and are hard.

31:38

Am I would go involved with her

31:40

caretaking and? The

31:42

watching the process. Then

31:46

did with her when she passed on. Couldn't

31:49

you a hospice program few weeks before?

31:53

Then them. The

31:56

They. didn't i The

31:58

didn't give her the third of. I

32:00

got my head is like issues gonna go in the more things

32:02

to for it. In fact,

32:05

when tried to give her the most he kills,

32:07

he kept them up. What

32:10

call with a lot of struggle. Yeah.

32:13

The and. The

32:16

think the I'm kind of stuck in.

32:21

Right in fear of what death is

32:23

an. and one hand i'm i said

32:26

receive help though during this process I

32:30

was trying to take care of her. In

32:33

the calm, her down and could see that

32:35

she was panicking. them

32:38

at one point, said was

32:40

trying to do everything could, it would put got up, walked

32:42

around the bed. felt

32:45

and don't know if this was in my own mind or what.

32:47

felt like your hands touch me on the shoulders.

32:50

Literally turn me around. The

32:53

at that point. He

32:55

was going to go. And

32:57

walked out of the room and put on some music

32:59

that. A little to together

33:01

to comment. When I came back,

33:03

she was very calm. Then could

33:06

see her lot of friends. The

33:08

other hand she like. Greek,

33:10

my hand. The and them.

33:13

And apparently her body and.

33:16

so is like a bittersweet thing because

33:20

When can I mean felt there was a presence

33:22

there? I'm kind of present. Don't

33:25

touch me into him again. I'm

33:28

not as the suffering.

33:30

Draco. Will, you know

33:32

when a loved one suffers

33:35

it is extremely painful it's more

33:37

painful than few suffers yourself it's

33:39

just so painful, and

33:41

when you don't have. The capacity to take

33:43

away the pain yeah but to

33:46

and that's just it from my point

33:48

of view puts me closer

33:50

to the mystery of what suffering as. about

33:53

because you don't it's

33:55

very i've been watching people dying

33:57

now for about twenty five years and i have watched

34:00

how often the struggle

34:02

and the suffering is a precursor

34:05

to certain kind of opening in them. That

34:08

their previous life didn't really

34:10

allow them to do so easily,

34:13

I've watched people with the A will

34:15

got broken by the pain. As.

34:18

result of that it was like it was such

34:20

a butterfly coming out of chrysalis

34:23

I mean it was extraordinary and,

34:25

in a way, the last moment

34:27

of peace. And the holding of the hand

34:30

the music and the sharing and the

34:32

awareness and the gentle breath that's

34:35

the completion of her work

34:37

on Earth, and how she got.

34:39

There is how she got. there and

34:41

you and i don't really know

34:43

why the suffering is there are we

34:46

really don't answer you find

34:48

out that your Why did you

34:50

would like to take away my heart

34:52

wants to take away the suffering of people around

34:54

me and? yet my deeper wisdom

34:57

understands when look at my

34:59

own life that my suffering has

35:01

been part of the grace that has helped

35:03

me develop the compassionate And.

35:05

The fact that you were

35:08

in the presence of such spirit

35:10

that you could feel the hand

35:12

of spirit, turn you and prepare

35:15

you and bring you into

35:17

that final moments feels.

35:19

To me like you were deeply connected

35:21

in that process and that you

35:23

should allow now just the grieving

35:26

and morning and feeling of loss

35:28

and all of this to wash through. You'and

35:30

and keep watching through you and

35:32

find that odd of all of this is going to

35:34

come a deeper compassion and

35:36

you was human being. Thanks

35:39

lot for calling thank you, okay?

35:42

John Good evening, hello wronged

35:44

us a load on.

35:47

Pleasure to talk with you, thanks a kindred

35:49

spirit, ah? Hi'my

35:51

my question to us and.

35:53

Close to your age I'm sixty and I have

35:57

four. year old and an eight

35:59

year old Nine year old and a twelve

36:01

year old son, and while

36:03

I know I've given them the gift

36:05

of life. There are still have a

36:07

lot of angsty and anxiety

36:09

about leaving, them

36:12

at very young age and i was wondering

36:14

what your questions and comments were on that

36:17

And yeah. I didn't.

36:19

Today you how much love you, have

36:22

ah. Read and listen

36:24

to your tapes and your most recent tapes

36:26

on as A. The not the

36:28

future and so forth, but. It

36:30

doesn't.

36:31

necessarily up man with my anxiety is a number

36:34

well, i can hear how

36:37

much your

36:39

caring For your progeny, you

36:41

for your children wants you

36:43

to protect them and to be there for

36:45

them, but what you're giving them

36:48

at each moment's is the

36:50

connection and the love. That I can

36:52

here in Utah Woods these beings,

36:55

these very precious beings and

36:58

what you give them in any one

37:00

moment in the fullness of the moment. Instead.

37:02

Of being having it to colored by

37:05

the fear the future keep coming

37:07

back into the quality of the

37:09

present moment with each of those children

37:12

because, when you leave which.

37:14

You will leave or they will leave, was somebody

37:16

will leave sooner or later the legacy

37:19

is those moments in which you

37:21

and they shared living

37:24

love together living spirit together.

37:26

And, that legacy takes

37:29

one second for to happen A

37:31

child that is had that if four years

37:33

old and then where you to leave

37:36

is already. Herring the

37:38

gift of the fact

37:40

that there is another human heart that contact

37:42

has been made. And so I

37:44

would say that you are already doing

37:47

the optimum thing you're doing

37:50

too. The to. Inoculate

37:53

them to vaccinate them against the

37:55

uncertainties of the future because

37:57

you can't protect them all away down the pike.

38:00

The any way. mean even if you were twenty

38:02

you couldn't do that so relax.

38:04

because i really hear the love

38:07

and think you're already giving them the gifts

38:09

they need i'm glad you said that

38:11

i'm that play that for my wife okay

38:13

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