Chris interviews Jason Howell with Recovery People. We break tradition with this one and take it inside our hotel room, during the 2015 (July 22) Association of Recovery Community Organizations (ARCO) Conference in Arlington, VA. We know you’ll miss the ambient symphony of road noise, but we thought we’d give Jason a break after we traumatized Brenda Schell on the George Washington Parkway. Jason shares about the importance of recovery housing and how that fits into the rising popularity of “housing first” as a solution to homelessness. In fact, we learn that “housing first” folks aren’t bad people – they just look at things differently. He also has his own successful recovery podcast, so we got to pick his brain about our fledgling project. “Is profanity ok on podcasts?”