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You're listening to reading glasses,

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a show about book culture and literary life designed

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to help you read better. I'm author and book of our

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Mallory O'Mara, and I'm Bria Grant, filmmaker,

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and reader. This episode, we're talking

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about palette cleanser reads.

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What is that? It's a way to get you out of

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a book hangover. We're not to get into it. people have

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been talking about it. We're gonna get into it and talk about

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it also. But first, what are you reading, Bria?

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I just listened to what is undoubtedly

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one of the best books of the year for me. It

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is -- Really? -- I told you

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about it. It is our missing hearts by

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celeste ing red by Lucy

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Blue. Yeah. Lucy Blue Reddit, which is

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one of the reasons I listened to it. Aw. Damn.

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because I was like, oh, I probably wanna read this. This is the

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last thing. I probably but then I was like, oh, wait.

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Audio narrator Lucy Liu. Very

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interested. Wow. This book has

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my god. That's how you know you fucking made it.

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Okay. First of all, it's the last thing you know I love.

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It's the lessening who reading

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who wrote a sci fi book, near

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future sci fi. I know. She, like, made

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this per like, specifically for you. And I will see

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it's not, like, super sci fi. So if that turns you off,

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like, this is more it's definitely more literary fiction.

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It just has, like, sci fi. It's it's near future,

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basically. And it is a future

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that is not

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as distant as I wish it was. It

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is about a young

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boy, he's twelve, His name's Bird,

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and he lives with his father in this

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sort of dystopian very

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near future. His mother

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was Chinese american and

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she was a poet and his father works at

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a library. There's a lot libraries in this book. First of

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all, library alert. The library plays

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a very important role in this book. So he lives with his

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father and his mother disappeared a

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few years back because the world

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that they live in in this future world

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is very anti Asia

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and very anti people of Asian origin.

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So, like, there's a lot of racism that

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results in violence, but then also,

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like, institutionalized things are

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happening. And basically, the government keeping

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a very close eye on people of Asian

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origin because there's so much anti

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Asian sentiment, and then they keep they will arrest

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them if they feel like they are not American enough,

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things like that. So Bird's mother

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was a poet and she disappeared,

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and he doesn't know where she went. But

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he's aware that she's like this famous poet.

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Can people use her poetry

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in activism and they they'll put

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this line from her poem up up

2:29

places that's that says our missing hearts.

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And basically, it's about him figuring

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out things about his mother, figuring out

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things about his life and trying

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to find her. And it's just such a

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beautiful story about activism, and

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about what I I mean,

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there is so much anti Asian

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racism happening and violence. I mean,

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we've seen so much violence recently And

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so it's it's it's a scary world

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out there. And I think this book really

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tackles that in a very realistic way

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of what the direction things could go

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and hopefully

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won't go. The reason we need

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to talk more about

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the violence that has been happening. And the

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racism that's been happening. But the book itself

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is amazing. There's this big part with the librarian

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is very important in the book because the librarians

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have taken a stance in this world that

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their job is provide information.

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And does that mean that maybe there's

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a lot of children who go missing too. And

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and maybe that means that they help people

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find information about these missing children,

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sometimes even though that's very, very illegal.

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And so these librarians are activists who

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are out there doing this organizing because

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they see that as part of their jobs as librarians.

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It's just such a great book. It's

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really wonderful. It would be hard for me to

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say that I think everyone should read it.

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It's funny when you say no one wouldn't. You're gonna like

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this book if you're gonna read it. Celeste Ng is

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one of the greatest authors of our time. think

3:49

you and I bonded over a lusting book. That's how we

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ended up becoming friends. That's yeah. That

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was the seed of reading glasses as we

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were bonding over her first one. everything

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I never told you. because it's such a like,

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it was such a book that, like, it moved me in

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such a way that I was like, I gotta talk to somebody

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about this book. this is the same. You will feel

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very, very moved by this. What are you reading

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about? Well, we're recording this before Halloween,

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so I'm still on my my spooky.

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shit. And I'm reading a very

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scary book called The Dark Between

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The Trees by Fiona Barnett and

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man, if you like a spooky

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forest, this is the book

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for you, is about it's kind

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of It's almost annihilation y

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in the way that it's about this group of

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five women. And instead of

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scientists, they're all historians. and

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the reason they're going into this giant

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forest in England because they're

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investigating this event that

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happened in the sixteen hundreds where a big

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group of soldiers fled into these

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woods away from this battle, and

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only two of them returned. And the two that

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did return had some really spooky

4:51

stories. So this hit like sort of

4:53

historian team has been wanting to go into the

4:55

woods and sort of trace the root

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of these soldiers and find out what happened

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to them and sort of solve this historical

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mystery. And the back of the book

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says, this group enters the wood ready for

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anything or so they think

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it is Right from Go. You know

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that something really spooky is happening in

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this woods. All their instruments stopped working,

5:14

and the cover quote, is from Claire

5:16

North, and she just says, blimey, this

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was creepy as hell. I'm

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really enjoying it so far, and it's a great

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Halloween read. And you know what? listener.

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You were listening to this after Halloween, but

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it's never a bad time to read a creepy book.

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Mhmm. So that's the dark between the trees by

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Fiona Barnet. I'm I'm putting this on

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my dark between the trees. I

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think you'd like it. It's really good. Yep. I'm

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recommending this to my library right

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now. And I listened to

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our missing hearts by Celeste ingred

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by Lucy Liu.

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We wanna take a moment to share some listener

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feedback. We got a lot of fun feedback

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from our ass someone with their reading episode.

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Chris wrote in to say, this was such a great episode

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and I love this question slash challenge.

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on top of all the things you

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two described. I think that this as a conversation

6:04

starter is so much better than how's it going,

6:06

etcetera. For people who may be on comfortable with

6:08

any kind of interaction. This is great because it puts

6:10

the level of engagement directly on the

6:12

person being asked. It allows them to share exactly how

6:14

much they want to rather than coming up with

6:16

some sort of vague response for what should I share

6:18

about myself? I don't know this person. Why do they

6:20

care? Also as a moody reader who

6:22

often read something based on something that I just

6:24

heard about or something that fits with

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where my life is at the moment. It is also

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a much more personal and engaging question

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that allows the person really the ability

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to maybe give a glimpse of themselves without

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having to feel like they have to be more personal

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than they are comfortable with. Plus who doesn't

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love to nerd out over books when you connect with

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another bookish person and I love it. I am so behind

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everything you guys talk about and all the

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fucking harrays and support you guys give.

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Not just about books, but about people, you two are

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stellar humans, and I love the show. Never stop.

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Never stopping. You're the best. Mhmm. Thank you,

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Chris. And we're so glad that you're enjoying

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this this conversation starter. I agree. This

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is one of my preferred ways

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to talk to people. Yeah. That's how Brie

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and I started this podcast yesterday talking about

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Selecting. Selecting. Exactly.

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Melissa Roden and said, hi, Brianna Mallory. I

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just finished listening to your latest episode,

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asked someone with a reading. I had to let you know one of

7:11

the ways I've completed this challenge. My

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coworker and I love reading and we are

7:15

constantly walking up to each other's cubicle to chat

7:17

and check-in on the newest book on our to

7:19

read list. We all have many whiteboards

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at our cubicle So about a month ago, we

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started writing our current reads or listens

7:25

on the board so everyone can see. Oh my god. This

7:27

is so cute. It's so fun to walk through the floor

7:29

and see all the folks people are enjoying. This definitely

7:31

sparked a lot of conversation and informal workbook

7:33

club discussions. What a cool workplace?

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I just want to share this in case my question is, like,

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where do you work? I have an in person job.

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because it's been great to get to know my coworkers.

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Brianna Mallory, thanks so much for the podcast Thursdays

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are the best day because of it, and I love

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everything y'all do. you helped me survive

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grad school, yay, and helped me discover

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so many new books to love along the

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way. Melissa's wheelhouse is

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time loops. who done its enclosed spaces

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like trains and ships, nature essays,

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books about hiking, Gothic houses, monsters

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that are more human than actual humans,

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traveling theater troops, retailings of

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fairy tales and mythology, books

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with elderly protagonists, anything about books,

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bookstores, libraries, extra points of their magic,

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and micro histories that make me interested in a

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topic. I didn't know I was interested in looking

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at you girly. Nice. Melissa,

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thank you. Hey. Thank you very much.

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Nice. So you can email us a reading class as

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What do you do

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after you've read a book that horrified you,

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made you cry, or was so intense that you

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needed to catch your breath, maybe bury it in

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the backyard. You need A

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cleanser book. We're here to help you

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figure out when you might need a literary

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brain rins and how to find the right

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book for the job Before we get

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into it first off, shout out to the reading glasses

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Facebook group and our really amazing moderators

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over there, which is where I got the idea for this

13:47

episode. There was a red asking what people

13:49

used for their palate cleanser books. And I

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figured we gotta talk about it. Yeah.

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So

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palate cleanser book. That's

13:54

when you what you reach for

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after you've read a book that you wanna get out of

13:59

your mind for good or for bad. Maybe it

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was something you love, you can't stop thinking

14:03

about, maybe it was so scary and disturbing.

14:05

Maybe, like, made you sob

14:07

and, you know, the the point

14:09

of of, you're just a puddle.

14:11

It's something that you you just need

14:13

to switch gears. You're not ready to jump right

14:15

back into another

14:17

book of the same kind. You need something to kind of get

14:19

that book out of your mind. Bria, do you ever

14:21

utilize this kind of book for sure? How should I

14:23

think of, like, what's a palette cleanser food?

14:25

And I don't know if I eat fancy

14:27

enough food to know this this, but,

14:29

like, I know that when you go to, like, a

14:31

perfume smelling, if you, like, go to a

14:33

perfume place, they have a little, like, cans of

14:35

coffee. Yeah. So, like, smell.

14:37

But I don't know what the food equivalent. But there's

14:39

also, like, when you go taste wine,

14:41

you know, they'll be, like, oh, you gotta do a a

14:43

palate cleanser or bread? Is it bread? actually

14:45

don't know. Okay. I've never been to a wine tasting. No.

14:47

You haven't? No. Actually, that's not true. That

14:49

seems wild. I just haven't been to wine in a

14:51

really long time. Okay. Yes. I do do

14:53

a palate cleansing book I do

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not often, but sometimes I do.

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For me, like I spent

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as you know, last weekend, I spent hanging

15:02

out by the pool for my birthday, Mallory, came and hung out

15:04

with me, and we sat in the pool for, like, eight hours.

15:06

And which will get to you more

15:08

later. We're gonna discuss more pool in a bit. I

15:10

know. That's what I'm gonna say. We

15:12

have audio from Yeah. And

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I read two fiction books in

15:17

a row that were not super dense,

15:19

but they were definitely, like, very world

15:21

building. And I really

15:23

needed some I wanted to keep reading, but it was

15:25

like, I can't just pick up another book.

15:27

Like, it felt like too much. like those

15:29

stories, they were already starting to get confused even though

15:31

they're totally different stories. They were, like, still in

15:33

my head. So I needed a definite break from,

15:35

like, world building and from reading eight

15:37

hours straight, but I kept I wanted to

15:39

keep reading. So I

15:41

needed that I needed a book. So I think that's more

15:43

what I use it for or less of like I've been reading a

15:45

lot and I'm really engrossed in the world. It's

15:47

less of like the sad aspect

15:49

of things. It's less of like the emotional

15:51

aspect. It's more just like, you know, you read a

15:53

book so much and you're like, am I? Living

15:55

in this town now. Am III read

15:57

the wild stuff, which you recommend. ended. And I'm

15:59

like, am I

15:59

in a place that

16:00

there was all these, like, birds

16:03

coming, but like, I gotta, like,

16:05

very into out of this this this,

16:07

like, weird Scottish Island

16:09

that I'm on? I'm glad that you read that though. Yeah. Yeah. It

16:11

was great. because I couldn't just go and, like, be like,

16:13

oh, now I'm gonna pick up a book about space because, like,

16:15

I'm still on the Scottish Island, and I haven't

16:17

left yet. like, I don't have the time to to figure

16:19

so I had to do something to get that out of my head.

16:21

What about you? Are you doing pallet cleansers? You

16:23

know, it's pretty rare. I think it's because I

16:25

have a pretty high tolerance for fucked up

16:27

shit. And horror is my

16:29

preferred genre. So I feel like I am

16:31

I'm a callist reader. My

16:34

my my need for my

16:36

my tolerance for, like, scary stuff

16:38

or fucked up stuff is very I

16:40

have a thick callous on it. So it

16:42

has to be a pretty intense book. Something

16:44

like I needed a a palate cleanser

16:46

after the last house on

16:47

Needless Street. Sure. That was a book that I

16:49

was like, You're not gonna read another word. You give my

16:51

brain

16:51

a little rinse. And that's

16:53

what I think it is, is that if I end up needing

16:55

a palate cleanser, it's usually for disturbing.

16:58

stuff. It's not for intensely world

17:00

building books. It's not for sad books. I don't

17:02

intentionally read a lot of sad books. I know that

17:04

TikTok is rabid for

17:06

books that make you ball your eyes out. I

17:08

had a really funny meeting with

17:10

my beloved editor when I got

17:12

to visit New York a few

17:14

weeks ago. And he was telling me about a book that that he

17:16

edited, that's one of his books, that is he's like,

17:18

the best thing that's selling it right now is there's a

17:20

TikTok of some woman sobbing

17:22

her eyes out holding the book. And he's

17:24

like, that's doing more for the book than than

17:26

anything we've tried. And I know that

17:28

it's like a huge thing. And I think that's fine.

17:30

I think sad books amazing, but it's never been like

17:32

a big selling point for me. So I

17:35

never need palette cleansing. And I've I've

17:37

read plenty of books like that, but I never

17:39

need palate cleansing stuff for that. It's

17:41

normally like a horror book where like

17:43

something really -- Mhmm. --

17:45

bananas happens it. And I'm like, oh, man, I I

17:47

need to, like, go read a cookie

17:49

recipe for for an hour. Yeah.

17:52

So, Bria, when do you when do you

17:54

know that you need one it when you're stuck on that Scottish

17:56

island? Yeah. I'm stuck on a Scottish island. I mean, it's

17:58

it's usually when I can't focus on something

18:00

new. Like, I can still I'm still on that

18:02

Scottish island and I start another book and

18:04

I'll be like, just not interested because I'm

18:06

not hearing. It might be a book that's perfect for me,

18:08

which is so much about it's about timing, really,

18:10

but it's just like, I just can't get

18:12

into this book that takes place with like puppies and

18:14

space, but because I'm still on the Scottish island

18:16

dealing with these fucking crows. You

18:18

know? Y'all don't know this

18:20

book. This is very specific to this book where they

18:22

crows. I don't even remember what they were. Birds. So

18:24

Even if I do want to read something new, it's

18:26

like I can't really get into that world.

18:28

So and usually it's it's it's like

18:30

a world building which I feel like that,

18:32

like, the wild hunt really was. It was, like, it all takes

18:35

place on this Scottish island. So I had to, like, think about that a

18:37

lot, and there was, like, all these rules to what was

18:39

happening. And so when it's like a world building

18:41

book and I do couple of those back to back or

18:43

just a really deep one, I can tell I'm

18:45

not ready to build a new world. Like

18:47

the world needs to say as is,

18:49

we're just second so I can, like, get my head back on

18:51

straight because otherwise I'm gonna be

18:53

putting crows or whatever into

18:55

space and it's gonna be confusing. What

18:57

about you? Do you know when you know, you're like, I

18:59

need a palate cleanser. Like, if something happened to

19:02

you or what? Oh, I'm I'm in the same boat. It's

19:04

when I'm so laid out from a book that

19:06

I can't stop thinking about it, and it's impeding my ability to

19:08

start a new one where I'm like, where are all the

19:10

characters that I just Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You could be like,

19:12

wait. Wait. This is person. Yeah.

19:14

I I think if you get annihilated by a book and you

19:16

say to yourself like, damn, that was really intense. I

19:18

need a break from reading for a while. Maybe you don't

19:20

need a break from reading, You just need to read

19:22

something light, something fluffy, or just

19:24

something different. Obviously, it's always okay to

19:26

take a break from reading, but maybe you just need a

19:28

story that isn't like gonna like kick you in

19:31

the heart. In fact, I think a palate cleanser book might be

19:33

the best way to get over a tough book,

19:35

better than TV or movie or

19:37

something because it'll six

19:39

something new in the book that I just read slot

19:41

in your brain. Like, sometimes if I

19:43

read something really intense and I'm like, oh, I don't wanna read for a

19:45

little bit. I wanna watch something. But in my brain, I'm my

19:47

brain is still, like, but this is the last book that you read, so

19:49

we're gonna keep thinking about it. Mhmm. And you

19:51

gotta stick something new

19:53

in there. to,

19:55

like, help you fully kinda get over it.

19:57

So you have just read five million

19:59

intense world building books

19:59

in a row. You need your palate plans. What book

20:02

are you reaching for? So I think this is gonna be different

20:04

than a lot of people. I but I go for

20:06

non fiction. I like, I think

20:08

that just a book about facts, and my

20:10

girl has story. I usually have one

20:12

like on my Kindle or on my phone or

20:14

something. I've been reading this book about how horror

20:16

affects your body like horror movies and

20:18

does it scream? No. It's

20:20

nightmare fuel. Yes. Yeah. And it's great, but it's a lot of

20:22

facts and it's a lot of like, when you watch

20:24

a horror movie, this thing happens in your amygdala and,

20:26

like, shit like that. And I do like

20:28

that kind of like, I

20:30

would call it pop science, a science like for that I

20:32

can understand as a

20:33

person without any sort of advanced science

20:36

education.

20:36

mean, that's not true. I went to

20:38

college science education, but pretty basic. I was

20:41

gonna say, you have a college

20:43

agreement there too. But I

20:45

so Yeah. Like, that's what I did this

20:47

past weekend. I read a book. It really affected me.

20:49

I kept thinking about it. So I just wouldn't instead

20:51

of reading a new book, I wouldn't got

20:54

out that non fiction book that I've been kind of

20:56

making my way through. And I was like,

20:58

great. I can read about how,

21:00

honestly, how this this

21:02

this book affected me because that's what the

21:04

book is about, which was very weird to think

21:06

about, like, oh, this is how this horror affected my

21:08

brain. And I don't need to read the whole thing. For me, it's

21:10

just I need to take a break.

21:12

before getting back into a,

21:14

not a Scottish island, b, the real

21:16

world, and c a new world. Like, these are like

21:18

these are a lot of steps for my brain to have to

21:20

take. So I need to, like, ground myself

21:22

in something non fiction something

21:24

that is not story related. Because I think

21:26

the other problem I have is that ideal was so

21:28

much story. I've talked about this in

21:31

the or like my job is creating story. I read

21:33

scripts all day. I work on story. And

21:35

then I go read a book at night that has a story in it,

21:37

so there's so much narrative story

21:39

stuff that sometimes I'm like, I just

21:41

need some facts. Give me

21:43

some facts and I don't have to remember what

21:45

narrative arc. Just a facts lady. I gotta

21:47

I gotta leave that fake grow behind? I gotta, like,

21:49

think about what how does a

21:51

brain work? Instead of instead of,

21:53

like, what is this person's, you

21:55

know, emotional wants or

21:57

something? that that that definitely

21:59

helps. So non fiction. I mean, I go

22:01

non fiction. It's pretty

22:03

consistently non fiction. what about you? I feel like

22:05

other people probably do this much differently than

22:07

I do. So it really depends on what kind of

22:09

book I need it cleansed from, but you can

22:12

never really go what wrong as far as

22:13

I'm concerned with a graphic novel. because if anything, it'll be

22:16

a quick read, so you have some other story

22:18

occupying your brain

22:18

pretty quickly. And you know what

22:21

I never noticed I

22:23

did until this episode, but I

22:25

save certain palate cleanser

22:27

y books on my TBR until I need

22:29

to deploy them. Oh. I never

22:31

realized that I did this. Bring out the ballet because

22:33

there are middle grade books. Yeah. I

22:35

never realized I, like, was saving these

22:37

books. So I I

22:39

save middle grade books that are non unless

22:41

they're, like, a buzzy new release that I can't

22:43

wait to get to. Like, non horror middle

22:45

grade, I until I need a

22:47

little palette lens. I wait until I've read something really

22:49

intense, and then I'll be like, whoa. time for a

22:51

middle grade book, you know. You know, I'd say that there aren't,

22:53

like, really intense middle

22:53

grade books out there, but I'm specifically talking about, like,

22:55

non horror ones. So I

22:58

I will always go with either a graphic novel or a middle

23:00

grade, middle grade fantasy, middle

23:02

grade literary fiction, something like that because

23:05

both of them are be you know, their

23:07

quick easy read so they will

23:09

immediately get my brain into

23:12

into a different space than wherever it was

23:14

when I was reading whatever disturbing shit

23:16

that I just finished. And it's it's really

23:18

never gone gone wrong for me.

23:20

So speaking of our palate cleanser books,

23:22

what is a good palate cleanser recommendation?

23:25

I mean, I think it really depends on what you've been reading.

23:28

So, like, that's the hard thing. Like,

23:30

if you've been reading, you

23:32

know, I don't know.

23:34

Some not like something that made you cry

23:36

a lot and you're looking for something to make you laugh. I

23:38

think that it's gonna be very different than what

23:40

I'm picking up. I'm gonna recommend a book. I'm gonna recommend a

23:43

non fiction book that I think could be

23:45

interesting, which is thinking fast and slow by

23:47

Daniel Connorman. It

23:48

hear hear me out. Okay.

23:50

Here's why. Because

23:52

this

23:53

book, it's all about the way we our

23:55

brains work. Right? You have two kinds of

23:57

thinking is his theory. Right? You have a

23:59

fast, instinctive, and emotional thinking, like

24:02

this this kind of New York reaction sort of

24:04

thinking, and then you have slow, more logical

24:06

thinking. So You could read this book as a cleanser

24:08

to explain why you can't stop thinking

24:10

about the book that you just read.

24:13

What if you're stuck on the emotions, that

24:15

that last book gave Ultimate palette cleanser. It can

24:18

help you examine why you had that

24:20

reaction and why it took you a whole book to have

24:22

or why a whole book to have that why

24:24

did you add this emotional response or why or

24:26

you're not having an emotional response and said you're

24:28

thinking more slowly. I'm

24:31

not sure if that totally will work, but that is

24:33

my theory. And I just think it could

24:35

be fun. Like, I definitely trying

24:37

to think of like non fiction books that will help you figure like,

24:39

maybe why you're having this reaction could be an interesting

24:41

thing to do. What do you think, Mallory? What's your

24:43

palate cleanser? So I tried to make a book that

24:46

I haven't talked about on the show before because most of my favorite

24:48

middle grade books I've talked about so many

24:49

times. So I'm

24:50

gonna recommend a book that I mentioned on the show

24:52

while I was still reading it, and now that I

24:55

finish it I I wanna wanna talk

24:57

about it. It was fucking amazing. It's flying

24:59

solo by Linda Holmes. And

25:01

it is it's

25:03

part romance part mystery, part,

25:05

like, returning to your small hometown

25:06

story, all

25:08

great. And

25:10

have such a complicated relationship with calling

25:12

a book fluffy because I don't think this book is

25:14

fluffy, but it is really it's really

25:17

light and really fun and

25:19

immediately engaging I really

25:21

think a key component of a good palate

25:23

cleanser is to be an easy engaging

25:25

read. You know, no one like,

25:27

a good palate cleanser would

25:29

not be, you know, nine hundred page tome

25:32

unlike,

25:32

you know, the

25:35

history

25:35

of rocks or something. Like,

25:37

that's It probably would work, but

25:39

it would be so hard to get into that book

25:41

that the whole point of of cleansing your

25:43

palate would be sort of

25:46

negated. So this book flying

25:48

solo. It sucks you right in. It

25:50

will warm your cold dead little heart and let

25:52

you hang out in this adorable little

25:54

main town. you get really sucked in

25:56

immediately because of the mystery, you love

25:58

all the characters.

25:59

So if you've read something that was this book will

26:02

not make cry. Mhmm. This book will

26:04

not scare the shit out of you. This book will not

26:06

disturb you. It's just like a wonderful

26:08

heartwarming fun book.

26:11

And even if you have gotten

26:13

your heart broken because of romance,

26:15

one of the things I love about this book is that

26:17

it technically is a romance book,

26:19

but so much of the rome so

26:21

much of the book is the this main character

26:23

deciding that she doesn't

26:25

need to be in a like,

26:27

a lot of the traditional relationship stuff she realizes

26:29

that she doesn't need to participate in to feel

26:31

like a whole person. And

26:34

that was super super refreshing and really great. So even

26:36

if you were, like, going through a breakup, this

26:37

would be a good book.

26:39

So I think it it hits all the

26:41

things and I might have even

26:43

used this as a pallet textbook. I

26:45

don't remember, but I love it. So that's flying

26:47

solo by Linda Holmes. I'm gonna

26:49

say, thinking fast and slow by Daniel Donovan.

26:51

So if you have thoughts on palate cleanser

26:53

books or wanna recommend your own favorite palate

26:55

cleansing book or type of book, incentive reading

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30:07

Time to

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look

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at some book tech advances

30:14

in bookish technology This

30:17

week, we're testing out some

30:19

supposedly waterproof bags to keep your books

30:21

in at the beach, at the lake, at the

30:23

pool, wherever they might get wet. We talked on the

30:25

show this year about reading

30:27

outside and we got a lot of recommendations for

30:29

good ways to keep books sand free

30:31

and water free So we're

30:33

out of them. Before I start, I just have to

30:36

say, these were all sent to us

30:38

from from lovely glassers who

30:40

went on our Amazon wish list and

30:42

sent them There was some sort of weird

30:44

mistake on Amazon, and they didn't send

30:46

us a bunch of stuff, but it had been purchased, so I

30:48

don't know where that shit went. I

30:50

reached out to them, and I said, I would like this stuff to be sent. All

30:52

these things have been purchased. So they

30:54

sent us everything that have been purchased that

30:56

did not arrive. But

30:58

if you sent it to us, the name didn't come

31:00

with it. So let us know if you sent one of

31:02

these things. We're really sorry. We don't know. We have

31:04

no way to track who did it. but we will definitely shout

31:06

you out on a future show, so let us know. They

31:09

also sent us some stuff that Las Cruz did

31:11

not. Yeah. That was very We got a

31:13

swimsuit. We don't know why.

31:15

So if you're swimsuit, like, it's

31:16

here in my house. Our wish

31:17

list. We don't know why we got a swimsuit

31:20

because that was definitely not on the list. Alright. The

31:22

first thing, it's doesn't

31:24

really have a name, but it's called the

31:26

waterproof, something like waterproof

31:28

reusable, washable wet dry bag. And it

31:30

came three pieces three

31:32

different little wet dry bags, and there

31:34

are little dogs on them. Like little

31:36

tiny dogs. Very cute. Very cute little little bags.

31:38

We'll put photos right here. Actually, we have full

31:40

videos of us testing these. and those will go on our Instagram

31:42

and they will really make you laugh because we did that at the

31:44

pool this past weekend for my birthday.

31:46

So these are like zippered bags and you

31:48

can put stuff in it

31:50

and marinade sort of Yeah. The three different sizes. Yeah.

31:52

We kinda misunderstood it. So we thought

31:54

it says wet dry bag. This must

31:56

be Sephora subversion. I don't

31:58

wanna say we misunderstood because it specifically says

32:01

waterproof bag. That's true. Well, man, there's three

32:03

different sizes. This one looks like tote

32:05

bag size and one that's like

32:07

slightly smaller than that and one that's, like, very small that's,

32:09

like, pencil case size. Yeah. Exactly.

32:11

But I think they're not first immersion. What

32:13

we found, they're not first immersion. They're more

32:15

they're more for, like, putting stuff

32:17

in it to keep away

32:19

from other stuff that's already wet or

32:22

putting wet stuff in it to keep away

32:24

from dry stuff or keep away from

32:26

your books. So,

32:27

Mallory did

32:28

put something in it and submerged it.

32:31

Yeah. Well, first of all, I wanna say, the fact that

32:33

they're they're called wet bags, which made me laugh really

32:36

hard. And put as

32:38

a because I was already because the it's

32:40

made of like a thin nylon material.

32:42

From Go, I was kind of nervous about the

32:44

subversion with these bags. So

32:46

I put a decoy in here. I did not put a full book. I

32:48

put a blank journal of mine

32:50

in there. And we submerged it. And as soon as

32:52

I saw all the bubbles, like,

32:54

shooting out

32:55

of the bag. I was like, oh, no. Water

32:57

is filling this thing up.

32:58

And that's exactly what happened. It did

33:00

not stay dry

33:01

in there. Yeah. for subversion.

33:03

I think you can put, like, it seems like

33:05

reading the reviews and stuff people put diapers in

33:07

these kind of things to keep them away from the

33:09

rest of their shit. you can also put like a wet swimsuit

33:11

if you're leaving the beach or something, and

33:13

you wanna put a I don't know how you got the swimsuit

33:15

in there and put your clothes. Maybe you're in the bathroom, you take a

33:17

I don't know why I'm going through process, but you

33:19

got wet stuff and you wanna keep it away from your

33:22

dry stuff or vice versa. I think

33:24

this could be functional. Don't

33:26

submerge it though. I think system

33:28

don't don't like, that is confusing. But I

33:31

think if you need something like this, I

33:33

don't know if it's super

33:35

handy, but

33:37

I I think a four out of five for me on on

33:39

these. What what are you what rating are you getting them?

33:41

I actually agree on the four out of five is I

33:43

think where we land is they're perfect to bring on

33:46

whatever year adventure and keeping a tote, you know,

33:48

they're water resistant. So if, like,

33:50

if your book was in this and, like, was

33:52

sitting on the side of the pool and someone splashed it,

33:54

your book would probably be fine. if

33:56

you kept your book in this at

33:58

the beach, there would be no sand

33:59

getting in it. Mhmm. If you had your book

34:02

in this and There was something in your bag that

34:04

spilled. Your book would probably be

34:06

fine. The different sizes pack is really handy, so you could

34:08

like depending on the size of your book or the size of

34:10

your e reader. But yeah, if you

34:12

are, you know, trying to escape

34:14

from a submarine, don't put your book

34:15

in there because it's not gonna stay

34:17

dry. Four out of

34:19

five pages. Okay. We we tested out a second one. Yes. And what I

34:21

was out and called, the wall new

34:23

universal waterproof e reader protective

34:26

case. Again, we don't know who sent this to

34:28

us because weird stuff with

34:30

Amazon. So if you sent this to us, let us know when

34:32

we'll shout you out. We're very excited to test these

34:34

out. What did you think of this protective case? First of all,

34:36

let me describe this because it's very funny. It is a

34:38

see through protective case. And what was funny

34:40

is that it has multiple layers of ceiling, so

34:42

it feels like a plastic baggy.

34:45

and you do that multiple times and then you

34:47

fold it over at the top, you put your e

34:49

reader inside and you fold it over at the top

34:51

and there's snaps too. So it

34:53

is in there. And then if you have to get

34:55

it out, you gotta unsnap it, you gotta reopen all the little

34:58

things. But what really made me laugh is it has a

35:00

little cord on it. So

35:02

you could It's a it's an accessory, honey. And I, at first, I

35:04

was like, wow. I was someone wearing this, like, as an

35:06

accessory. But then I was like, you know what? It's

35:08

pretty helpful

35:08

because you got a bunch of shit you're carrying out

35:11

to the pool. and you need to

35:13

keep your e razor dot dry. You don't have an extra hand. You don't wanna, like, drop it

35:15

on accident. Like, it's actually pretty helpful

35:17

because you're

35:18

gonna have, like,

35:20

carry multiple shit or, like, just have it around your neck and you don't have to worry about where

35:22

it is and, like, you wanna doze off in the pool,

35:24

you just let that thing drop drop right in

35:28

the water. And we will we will say it

35:30

was waterproof. It was

35:32

a hundred percent waterproof. We emerged

35:35

it did great. Yes, it was. Mallory left the pool.

35:37

I continued to be in the pool. She left.

35:39

I kept using this thing. I thought it was great. I didn't have to

35:41

worry about my e reader getting soke y'all know. I'm

35:44

clumsy, clumsy person. Eddy,

35:46

I'm to worry about it all. You have I had a little

35:48

trouble turning the ears you're on and off, but if you don't

35:50

have to worry about that, It was great. It was

35:52

totally waterproof. This gets a five out of five for

35:54

me. Plus, I like that little necklace part. Falcon

35:56

is very convenient. And if you, like, for some

35:58

reason, can't use your hands or you can't

36:00

hold it or something like that it could be very

36:02

convenient for to keep it from, like, falling into the water. Yeah. I would I'm gonna say

36:04

also four out of five for this, but

36:06

only because it's very small. Mhmm. That's

36:09

that was my thing. But I

36:11

I really think this is where where it's at if you paranoid about your book or

36:13

your ear ear or what you know, whatever that

36:15

you could you could put your valuables and you can put your

36:17

fucking wallet in there

36:20

or whatever not all at the same time because, again, it was very small. But, you know, if

36:22

you were going camping or canoeing or something,

36:24

this is probably what I would bring. You

36:26

could fall in the wall. You could, like, capsize in

36:28

your canoeing

36:30

with this. and

36:30

not worry about that. around your neck. You wouldn't Yeah.

36:32

I know. Although, it probably

36:34

would flow. That's what we it definitely

36:37

wanted to flow.

36:39

you know, like Maria said, you can still use your e reader

36:41

when it's inside. My on the other

36:44

hand, again, it's much smaller than the wet

36:46

bags and would

36:48

only fit if you were putting a print book

36:50

in there, probably a mass market paper pack. If you have, like, one of those

36:52

bigger e readers, I know

36:55

Amazon is releasing, like, a really big e reader.

36:57

There's some combos that are pretty big. This would

36:59

not fit in there. Yeah. So you would have to maybe

37:02

the the same company

37:04

makes a a different one that's bigger, but that's why I'm docking a page, but still

37:06

think this is really where it's at. I mean, I

37:08

think it's great. And also, in case it wasn't

37:10

clear, I was reading with

37:13

it on there. like, I could still turn

37:15

pages through the through the plastic. So it was like, I

37:18

just read it in this thing. It wasn't like I

37:20

was carrying it around. I was actually like

37:22

using it.

37:24

which I thought was very great because, I mean, it was thick enough to keep out

37:26

the water, but not so thick that I couldn't turn the pages. And

37:28

that that felt like a big like, it was

37:32

definitely designed for a certain size kindle in mind. Like, that's if

37:34

so if you have a small if you have a kindle,

37:36

it's gonna fit in there, and I think it's gonna

37:38

be perfect for you. Yeah.

37:41

Not necessarily. I mean, oh, I see. You just would store a mass market paper back

37:43

in there because I was like, you'd have to, like,

37:45

take it out every day. But

37:48

you could You

37:52

could use your e reader, but

37:54

you could just be able to fit. But it

37:56

would I think even with them, depending on how thick the mass market was, it

37:58

would it would be

37:59

a a squeeze. Yeah.

38:00

But, yeah, this was this was great. And you

38:03

look and you can look cool with

38:05

it around your neck. you know -- Mhmm. --

38:07

get your water shoes, your Fannie pack. Although, Fannie packs aren't aren't are

38:09

not not cool. Remember when we were kids and, like, Fannie

38:11

packs was, like, the least cool

38:14

thing now. Fannie packs, cross body bags are,

38:16

like, the hot accessories. I've owned one

38:18

now for, like, over a year. I bought one. I

38:20

loved it. I probably

38:22

do. Right. Right. It's

38:24

amazing to see all the stuff that was very darky

38:26

when we were kids. It's now

38:28

very cool. Yeah. We would love to know what if if you are an

38:30

adventurous, glasser, and you

38:32

go out into the into nature all the time and

38:34

you use some kind

38:36

of bag, let us know. We

38:38

would love to love to get your your take

38:40

on your favorite e

38:42

reader or book protective

38:44

waterproof case. or if you have ideas for other stuff for us to test out, you can send

38:46

it to reading glasses podcast at gmail dot

38:48

com. You can check out our wish list that

38:50

has now

38:52

been fixed thanks to Briya being on the phone for like four hours with

38:54

customer support. There's

38:54

a link in the show

38:56

notes to that and you can check it

38:58

out.

39:02

Now let's answer

39:03

a recommendation request from Erika.

39:05

Hi there. I am relatively new

39:06

to your podcast and I'm working my way through the

39:09

back catalog. Thank you for the

39:11

show. I'm in the midst of a breakup that might be a break

39:13

slash pause, but I have to mentally

39:15

prepare myself for the possibility that it's

39:17

not. Here are the rectal crusts. First of all,

39:19

Eric crusts already hear that. That's

39:21

Sad. One, Erica wants distractions. I just started the

39:24

Wayfair series by Becky Chambers, and

39:26

I already never went to end,

39:28

character driven, sci fi

39:30

slash fantasy slash other world

39:32

stuff that is thoughtful and not bias his

39:34

head, dude, or two

39:36

getting to the heart of

39:37

the heart stuff. a bit of a self help addict, primarily audiobook

39:39

here, and I'm always looking for gyms in this area. Any

39:42

good ones, especially about getting to the

39:44

heart of oneself example, Jeffrey Marsh knows

39:46

how to be you. Delve kick

39:48

started my return to reading and listening, and I'm

39:50

so grateful, especially when it comes

39:52

to some distraction these days,

39:54

much love. what do you have for

39:56

Erika? I am going to

39:58

go for the second one, the getting to the heart

39:59

of the heart stuff. Again,

40:02

Erika, sorry you're going

40:03

through this, but hopefully, this recommendation will help.

40:05

I'm recommending spinster by Kate Pollack. So stick

40:07

with me. I know the title might sound scary

40:09

to you right now, but this book is fantastic.

40:11

And I think

40:14

maybe what you need. So I found a lot of the pain

40:16

experience during a breakup is the feeling that

40:18

you'll never find anyone again and that your life is

40:20

gonna be worse off

40:22

without this and that you don't wanna be alone. Some

40:24

people, especially women, might feel like

40:26

they failed, you know, because we live in a

40:28

society that

40:30

really makes being in a relationship is something that a lot of women are pressured to have

40:32

as a priority in their life. And this is a whole book that

40:34

examines being a single woman through

40:36

the lens of famous women who

40:38

have stayed unmarried and made their own lives

40:40

on their own terms and were really

40:42

happy. In my opinion, I think the best thing you could ever

40:44

do

40:44

for yourself are for any

40:45

future or current relationship you

40:47

have is to figure out how to be happy and filled

40:49

on your own and to realize that romantic

40:52

love should always feel like an add in bonus and not

40:54

something that you need to find or you're

40:56

a failure. and this book is great find

40:58

highlighting a bunch of

41:00

stuff. She talks about, again,

41:02

historic women that have not married,

41:04

but also

41:06

a lot of musings from her own life and just writings

41:08

about being single. And I think

41:10

this might help ensure you up a little bit and

41:12

realize that you're gonna be okay. regardless

41:15

of what happens. Bria, what do you think Erica should read?

41:17

I didn't realize I thought you'd do a number one, but

41:19

you did number two. Get to the heart of the stuff. I

41:21

was I thought you would do number one.

41:23

Yeah. Hi. I was like, oh, man. Well, I

41:25

was gonna say character driven sci fi.

41:28

That's the number I didn't know. So

41:30

I just to shout out. I one there's one that, like, anytime I'm,

41:32

like, I was going through breakup, have

41:33

gone through breakup. I always do a reread of all that

41:35

love by

41:35

Bill I

41:38

haven't read it in a minute, but it's about the importance of loving yourself

41:40

and also love in the world and like

41:42

a feminist reading of love, which I think

41:45

can be helpful. but I will do a shout out to a character

41:47

driven sci fi since you did the other one. I'm gonna shout

41:50

out pictures greater than death if if

41:52

Erica hasn't read it already by Charlie

41:54

Jane Anders. I

41:56

think it can scratch that

41:58

same itch as the wayfarer

42:00

series. It is Y a, but it's

42:02

for everyone. It is not a

42:04

girl, Linktina, who lives on

42:06

Earth and one day

42:08

basically this legacy that she's

42:10

kinda known she's been a part of happens to her

42:12

where she has to go help save

42:14

the universe. So

42:16

she's this kind of normal girl who

42:18

suddenly has to go save the

42:20

universe. And it's all about her. It's a very it's

42:22

a space up So it's like her going

42:24

on various adventures, but it

42:26

has a a lot of cool

42:28

characters, a lot of diverse characters, and they're

42:30

all on this a spaceship together, and it's all a bunch of people who are

42:32

like, oh, my god. We have to save the universe now. And

42:35

so so it's a lot of that, but I

42:37

think it's a very fun series you really

42:39

can dive into an kinda escape

42:41

a little bit, which is what I love about scifi for the most part. So

42:43

that's what I recommend. Yeah. So mine

42:45

is Spencer by

42:48

Kate Pollack. Am I his victory is greater than death by Charlie

42:50

Jane Anders?

42:56

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