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and I'm Bria Graham, filmmaker and e-reader.

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This episode, we're solving questions about

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putting controversial books into

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little free

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libraries, or taking those books out. You

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get to choose. We're gonna talk about both of them.

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And we're also solving trends that

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have been trending for a while. So, we're

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gonna talk about how to read and how

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to read books. And we're gonna talk about how to read books

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that are not just

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for reading. And we're gonna

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talk about how to read books that are not just for reading. And

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we're also solving traveling Libby

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problems and recommending queer

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books.

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But first, what are you reading, Bria? I am listening

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to, all right. Have I told you my

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Sarah J. Moss stuff, my story,

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my Sarah J. Moss story? Have I talked about this

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yet on the show? Is it a new story? Well,

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it's that, you know, I read Crescent City,

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and I was like, wow, I do really enjoy this book.

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I really enjoyed it.

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But the Sarah J. Moss diehards,

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when I tell them, I'm reading Crescent City, they're

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like, well, did you read Court of Thorn and Roses?

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And I'm like, no, I haven't read a Court

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of Thorn and Roses. And then they

1:04

basically take me out and whip me to death

1:08

to the street, to the middle of the street, and whip me for

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not reading a Court of Thorn and Roses because

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I have thorns and roses. I'm even saying the name

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wrong.

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I bought this book because of you. A Court of

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Thorns and Roses. You brought this one or Crescent City?

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I bought A Court of Thorn and Roses. Thorns

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and Roses. It's multiple thorns, Mallory. Well,

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that's the thing. I was like, oh, it's the Sarah J. Moss

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horny fairy book. I'll buy this. And then

1:30

I think I texted it to you and you were like, oh, that's not the one

1:32

that I have. And I was like, shit. It's not, but it's

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the first one in the series that relates

1:36

somehow to Crescent City. Now, am I three-fourths

1:38

of the way through with it? And I don't know

1:41

how it relates to Crescent City. Yes.

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So I don't know.

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I have not quite figured that out, but

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it is very fun. It is much more,

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you know, there's like two kinds of fantasy.

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There's city fantasy and woodsy fantasy,

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right? And this is a woodsy fantasy

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book. about this

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young human woman who kills this wolf

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in the woods and oh no, turns out the wolf was

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like a fairy like

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who was in wolf form and

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these fairies show up to

2:14

her house and the fairies are like evil but also

2:16

sexy. And the JoJo house.

2:19

That's when she should just call her books evil but also

2:21

sexy. Yes, it's so true. And

2:23

basically these fairies show up to her house and she's like the

2:26

breadwinner of her family. Her family, it's

2:28

her sisters and her father

2:29

and she is the hunter who goes out and hunts

2:32

because they used to be rich and they lost

2:34

all their money so now she's in charge of everything.

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And these,

2:39

the fairies show up to

2:41

her house and they're like

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you killed one of ours so we're

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essentially going to take you back and

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you have to come and live with us forever. And

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so she has to go to this new land but honestly

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it's very fancy when she gets there and

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it's pretty.

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She's like okay, it's horrible. Because she hates

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these people. Like she hates the fae.

3:03

She hates them with a passion and then

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she of course things start to change.

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But it is, it's great so far. I mean,

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I see why people love these books. They're very

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familiar yet new, if

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that makes sense. You know, like I understand the story.

3:19

Like it's not like you have to reteach me the

3:21

rules of this kind of world. Like I kind of

3:23

can understand it but you have these like

3:25

interesting characters and this like sexy

3:28

fairies. And it's

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great, it's very fun. I'm excited

3:32

to read it. I do really want to read Crescent City too

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so hopefully none of these Sarah J. Moss fans are going to come

3:37

to my house and

3:38

make me read the next one and this one. No, they're

3:40

going to come to your house and be like you have to come live in the land of

3:42

fairies forever until you read these books. They're

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going to, I want to read the next Crescent City

3:47

but I know there is like an order to

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them that like, I should post

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this because there's an order that someone sent me that

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you should read them in. Because then like one book

3:55

you actually like someone figured out how to divide

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it in half

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to read it because it's.

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It's told from two different perspectives. I'm already stressed

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out by this. Here's the thing, the people who love these books, I

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see why they love them. The worlds are really well

4:07

built. The characters are really relatable. And

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it's just very fun books. And

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Mallory knows I've been a little sick this last week.

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And so it's been really just to escape

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into this Sarah J. Moss world, the world

4:19

of a quarter thorns and roses. I keep calling

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thorns. It's multiple thorns. Anyway,

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having a great time with it. So thank you to everyone who

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has basically

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walked into my house

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and stood next to me while I read

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this book because they felt like I read them in the wrong order.

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I appreciate it. It

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took several people shaming me and

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then I finally decided to read it. What

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are you reading

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Mallory? Well, you know

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that I've been on a frantic

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chase to read as many 2023 books

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as I possibly could before this episode got

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recorded, which is today. And I'm

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still in the middle of two books.

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So instead of putting them in

5:01

the best of list, which this one might be, but

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I didn't finish. So I'm just gonna talk about it here. It's

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one of my most highly anticipated books of the

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year. It's an Island Princess Starts a Scandal

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by Adriana Herrera, who wrote my favorite

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romance novel of last year, which is a Caribbean

5:14

heiress in Paris. And like a lot of

5:17

romance series, this is like the

5:19

main character of this series was one of the supporting

5:21

characters in the first book. But

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what's interesting is instead of happening after

5:26

the events of the first book, this

5:28

book is

5:29

concurrent with the other

5:31

one. Like

5:32

in the first book, you kind of hear about this character

5:35

and what she's doing off to the side. And this is the book

5:37

you find out what's happening. So both of these books are actually

5:39

happening at the same time. It's really interesting, but

5:42

it's about

5:44

this young woman. So this all

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takes place in like the late 1800s. I

5:48

think it's 1889. Her and

5:50

her best friends, they're in Paris for the summer. And

5:52

she's there because even though she's

5:55

a lesbian, she has not come out

5:57

to her parents. Nobody knows but her friends and she's agreed.

7:59

and was like, my husband finally

8:02

understood why I was so

8:04

grumpy about someone touching my books because

8:06

the house sitter borrowed his clothes.

8:12

I think this is so

8:14

funny because one, I guess

8:17

I will say follow up to the follow

8:19

up.

8:20

I may be, I will say maybe I was wrong.

8:22

Maybe I was like, because obviously this house sitter

8:24

does not have good boundaries. Yes.

8:27

Oh my God. I was looking to close my eyes where

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I was like, I feel like I'm so easy going

8:31

that if someone borrowed my clothes, I'd be like, oh, that's okay. But

8:34

there are certain shirts that are really nice. And if you borrowed

8:36

my clothes, like you need to take this as a dry cleaners

8:38

afterwards and they better not get anything on them. You know, like,

8:41

but

8:43

this is amazing

8:45

feedback. I'm

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so sorry. And now, I mean, look, this

8:50

is just not a good house sitter. This is not a good

8:52

house sitter. And I think Roxanne didn't trust

8:54

this house sitter from day one. It wasn't the

8:56

right. I think it was not the books. It

8:58

was as much as it was the house sitter. But that's my

9:01

that's my insight to this. I could

9:03

be wrong, Roxanne. But

9:05

man, yeah,

9:06

barring someone's clothes

9:08

without asking, it is that

9:11

is a big, big reach.

9:13

Oh my God, Roxanne, we've got your back. You

9:15

were totally right. So hopefully

9:18

my only hope is that Roxanne, like

9:21

she got out of the situation that the next time

9:23

they need someone to house it, her husband will

9:25

have learned his lesson and put up some boundaries.

9:27

That way, no one will read Roxanne's pristine

9:30

new releases

9:30

and take his

9:32

clothes.

9:35

Erin wrote in with some

9:37

book skimming follow up. This was our question where

9:40

people, there were so many people who were like, I

9:42

skim books. And we were like, who, what? How are

9:44

you skimming all these books? OK, so

9:46

this is follow up. Hi, I was listening to the

9:48

most recent episode. And wow, I did not realize

9:51

that this question is skimming

9:54

reading would be such a big topic. So

9:56

to answer some of the questions covered by readers about

9:58

this friend of mine who skims every book.

9:59

she reads, she and I are both autistic,

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she does not have dyslexia, I do, because that

10:04

was one of our theories that maybe like

10:06

a dyslexic person... Well,

10:08

I feel like they'd have more trouble skimming. I don't remember

10:11

what our theory was. She reads primarily

10:13

fiction, but reads non-fiction occasionally,

10:15

because that was our other theory, right? That this was non-fiction.

10:17

Yeah, some people wrote in and were like, maybe she only reads non-fiction.

10:20

Which, you know, I do a bit of skimming when it comes to non-fiction.

10:22

And I believe the other people who are

10:24

at the party skim sometimes, but

10:27

it was just the one person who skims all the time. Okay, so

10:29

we thought it was like all these people at this party were like, I

10:31

just skim books. Like we didn't understand the

10:33

question. I know, I thought this was like a secret meeting of the book

10:36

skimmers. Okay, I

10:38

see. So

10:38

this person is autistic,

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reads primarily fiction,

10:43

but non-fiction occasionally. And

10:46

this person is the main skimmer.

10:48

We still don't have an answer here. I know, we

10:50

need to do an interview with the skimmer. Yeah.

10:56

I guess here's my question. What if they have like

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ADD or ADHD?

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Something. Because that would make you like not skim, you

11:04

would like read and then look somewhere

11:07

else. So it would be like the opposite of skimming.

11:09

I don't know.

11:10

Yeah, we need to talk to the skimmer. We

11:12

need to get straight to the source here with

11:14

this one. But it is interesting that it has become such

11:17

a topic in the Glasser community.

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Yes. Well, and I want to point out, it wasn't just Aaron

11:22

who wrote it. We actually, we had someone write

11:24

in and ask for a reader question, does skimming

11:27

count as reading? So it's not just this one

11:29

person. Listen, count

11:31

whatever you want. But listen,

11:34

if you are a skimmer, we want to hear from you.

11:37

And then we got some follow up from Gloria,

11:39

who said, I was so shocked and excited hearing you

11:41

read my wheelhouse out on episode 310. Anyway,

11:45

Katie Robert has tags for all

11:47

her books that give readers an idea of what tropes

11:49

or whatever are in the book. And they are

11:51

absolutely hilarious. That was our question. Katie

11:54

Robert book tags. And we were like, what does that mean?

11:57

One of my bookish besties and I screenshot them

11:59

to to each other because they make us laugh. Here's

12:02

one from Radiant Sin, the Cassandra

12:04

Apollo retelling, fake dating for

12:06

spy reasons makes me cackle whenever I see

12:08

it. So then I pulled some Katie Robert

12:11

book tags from Katie Robert's website. One

12:13

of them, so here's some

12:15

is, one is kidnapping is a love language.

12:18

I know I lied to you and gave you mediocre sex

12:20

on purpose, but we're end game, baby.

12:23

Heroin, who's not afraid to shoot a man who betrayed

12:25

her. Um, hero

12:28

who's gone for heroin from the moment

12:30

she pulls the trigger. I'm guessing

12:33

killing you won't work, so I'm going to sleep with you

12:35

instead for reasons. Danger

12:37

bang, revenge and second

12:40

generation mafia romance. Wow, so specific. These

12:42

are very funny and

12:44

I totally understand it now. We

12:46

just had never heard of Katie Roberts, so we had no idea

12:49

what was happening here. Wow, these feel like some things that maybe

12:51

we should try to read though.

12:53

I know I gave, I lied to you and gave you mediocre

12:55

sex on purpose, but we're end game, baby. So

12:57

that means later he or she is going

12:59

to give

13:00

the other person

13:03

great sex? Is that what it is? Okay, wow.

13:05

I'm assuming. All right, and then Emily Rodin was

13:07

a wheelhouse, which is books about books, libraries

13:10

and bookshops. Such a glasser. Elderly people,

13:12

usually widows or widowers who are married to

13:14

strong, remarkable women trying to find their way

13:17

without them. World War

13:19

II historical fiction. New

13:22

York City historical fiction between 1900s and 1970s. Wow,

13:26

I love how specific this is. Time travel

13:28

and or a character who lives across centuries. Oh,

13:31

that's interesting. I like that too. A character that just

13:33

lives a long time. Witches, finding

13:35

the patriarchy and folks hiking in the woods.

13:39

Love it. Amazing. So

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So if you want a video, possibly

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Instagram.

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live experience of Bria taking

14:02

me out for my first soap up. Yeah, we

14:04

are nine reviews away

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from 1500 on Apple Podcast. So

14:09

nine people out there who

14:11

listen to the show through Apple Podcast and want

14:14

to see me try a soap up for the first time.

14:16

This is your moment.

14:18

This is your time. This is it rise up

14:20

make a difference.

14:22

Get me to try a soap up. Yeah, it's happening. I

14:24

also have a bookmark. Y'all have heard

14:26

me rave about Liz Karen's nice edge

14:29

and she asked me to come

14:31

and

14:32

do an interview and talk to her about it

14:34

at her release at Skylight Books on

14:37

July 1st. So I'll be there the evening of

14:39

July 1st talking to Liz Karen here

14:42

in Los Angeles about nice edge.

14:44

There's a book I just really loved and I think y'all

14:46

will really love it too. And spoiler, it's on my best

14:49

of the year next week. So be sure

14:51

to come. I would love to see some glasses

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there and I think y'all really dig this book.

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14:58

drama, we're going to take a quick break.

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right class tomorrow's exam will cover the extinction

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and de-extinction of the dodo, PowerPoint

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as an art form and the history of Eurovision.

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Any questions? Yes you in the back.

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Oh what is this? It's

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the podcast Let's Learn Everything

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where we learn about science and a bit of everything

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else. My name

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is Tom. I studied cognitive and computer science

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but I'll also be your teacher for intermediate emojis.

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to things the British Museum stole. My name's Ella

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I did a PhD in stem cell biology so obviously

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I'll

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be teaching you the history of fanfiction.

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Class meets every other Thursday on Maximum

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Fun. So do I still get credit for this?

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No. Obviously not.

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No. It's a podcast.

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This

18:05

week, we are solving some big

18:07

Little Free Library dilemmas. We had two

18:10

listeners write in with opposite problems,

18:12

so we are going to figure them out. And the first

18:15

is about whether or not it's okay to take

18:17

a problematic book out of a

18:19

Little Free Library and get rid of it. Maureen

18:22

asks, if I look at my neighborhood's Little Free Library

18:24

and find a problematic book, can I just take it to the

18:26

trash 20 feet away and throw it in? The

18:28

book in question appears to be some bullshit reinforcing

18:31

toxic gender roles and has been criticized for

18:33

promoting sex

18:34

in a relationship as a husband's entitlement

18:36

and being something that protects and enables

18:38

abusers. I think it would

18:41

be the good neighborly thing to do to make sure no one in

18:43

my community is subjected to this book as a misleading

18:45

way to have a good relationship. But throwing a book

18:47

away isn't the best look. And as a

18:49

book lover, there's a part of me that doesn't like

18:52

the idea of throwing books in the trash. But

18:54

this book belongs in the trash. So I am

18:56

looking for your blessing to save my neighbors from

18:58

this garbage book and any other garbage books I may

19:00

find in my Little Free Library. So big

19:02

debate. What do we think? Bria,

19:04

should she dump it in the trash?

19:07

Listen, I'm fine with it. I'm okay with that.

19:10

Look, I do think it's

19:12

important to have all kinds of books, problematic

19:14

books, horrible books. We

19:17

need to have them accessible. I do believe in that. I

19:19

don't

19:20

think we should ban books. I think we should acknowledge they

19:22

exist. I think they should be accessible for research

19:24

and libraries for historic purposes. I

19:28

just want to be clear about that. But

19:30

listen, this

19:31

is your neighborhood, all right, Maureen? I

19:35

think this is your community. So you

19:37

should have a say in what's available to

19:39

the community in this public space,

19:42

especially in a space where just anyone

19:44

can come in without it being

19:46

within a certain context.

19:49

Listen, I

19:51

think we're going to get some feedback from this and that's

19:53

fine. Y'all can have these opinions. Oh, I can hear with

19:56

it. Have your beans as well. Keyboards booting up.

19:58

But...

19:59

Like if I saw a book that I was like,

20:02

I don't know if, if

20:04

like, I mean, there's certain books that like I

20:06

own, because they're like kind of funny,

20:08

historical, like weird books,

20:11

you know, that I don't know if I want

20:13

to put like men are from Mars, women are from Venus

20:15

or something in

20:17

a little free library, because I'd be like, Oh, what if like a teen

20:19

girl got this and then all of a sudden was like, Oh, I have

20:21

to live by these rules, you know, like,

20:24

or wasn't there a book called

20:26

The Rules? Remember that book? Or it was

20:28

like, don't sleep with them on the first

20:30

day, you know, like it was like a rules from anyway, things

20:32

like that, where I'm like, I feel like this could be harmful

20:34

for someone picking this up without any sort of context,

20:37

you know, and the thing about

20:39

a library is there is a librarian or somebody

20:41

there to give you historical context, if

20:43

you wanted to talk to you about this kind of book, if you, if

20:46

you want that information, and there's also the internet. But

20:48

anyway, I,

20:50

I'm okay with it. How do you feel, Mallory? Do you disagree? So

20:54

while it's not

20:56

technically okay to decide what others should

20:58

and should not read, and this is

21:01

something I think we both are very much in agreement on, this

21:03

is not an actual library. Right. It's not. This

21:05

is a little free library. And if you're free

21:07

to take whatever book you want, you're also free

21:10

to take that book and do whatever you want with it.

21:12

It's like bookish civil disobedience.

21:15

Okay. Like if I saw a Turfi book with harmful

21:17

messaging about trans women in a little free library,

21:20

I would probably grab it and throw it in the recycling.

21:22

Is this technically okay?

21:24

No. Would I do it anyway? Yes.

21:28

Like, you know what I mean? It's an

21:31

all but again, don't throw it in the trash. Maureen, throw

21:33

it in the recycling. Let it get a chance to become

21:35

a good book someday.

21:37

Yeah, I mean, I feel the same way. Like, if

21:40

I saw mine comp in the in a little

21:42

free library, I'd be like, maybe

21:44

not, you know, like, I don't know who's

21:46

like, what, like, you know, child,

21:49

like anyone can take this book. Now, look,

21:51

are we having these conversations in libraries? And there are

21:53

a bunch of right wing people who are taking, you know,

21:55

queer books and trans books out of libraries, like

21:58

in the public library system. Yes.

21:59

And am I mad about that? Yes. So

22:02

some people may feel like we're talking out of both sides of our

22:04

mouths, but to me. But those are again,

22:07

this is a huge difference, which we

22:09

need difference. Of course, a library and a little free library.

22:11

Oh, and also I think there's a huge difference

22:13

on what is,

22:15

you know, hateful, dangerous language

22:17

versus what is language that can

22:19

actually help people realize who they

22:21

are, you know, and is a truthful

22:24

language. So I think, look,

22:26

I don't think books that encourage,

22:28

you know, anti-Semitism should be in a little

22:30

free library, but I do want those

22:33

to be in my library, public library,

22:35

not because I want to encourage anti-Semitism, but because

22:37

I think it is very important to not

22:39

forget that these kind of books exist. And because if

22:42

we forget they exist and we forget that something,

22:44

these horrible books, you know, influenced

22:47

these things that happen within history,

22:49

we could have them happen again. Like, so these are

22:52

important books for us to know and study because people read

22:54

them. And they still get influenced by them. And there's,

22:56

you know, yeah,

22:57

there's all sorts of horrible books out

22:59

there. I just don't want them necessarily

23:02

out there for someone who

23:04

doesn't understand the context to pick them up.

23:06

Yeah. I mean, if you are looking for a

23:08

longer conversation about that particular point,

23:10

I really highly recommend the interview

23:12

we did years ago now with our friends,

23:15

Ross and Kerry from Ono Ross and Kerry, who

23:17

are truly experts at reading

23:20

books that from people that they do not

23:22

agree with. And it's such a great

23:24

interview. It's so great to have them on to talk about that stuff.

23:26

They both have they're both very brilliant

23:28

people and they had really great points about that. And

23:31

I agree. I think the only issue here with this is that,

23:33

you know, it can get into a weird gray area fast,

23:36

you know, as long as people aren't out

23:38

there removing books from these little free libraries just because

23:40

they don't like them. That's really the thing where

23:42

I think we need to start

23:45

making like little women. And I'm like,

23:47

no, no, no, no, no. I

23:49

don't like that book. But, you know, I see

23:51

a lot of problems online and especially

23:54

in the book reviewing space where, let's say,

23:56

there's a book with a homophobic villain. It

23:58

can like this book. homophobia, but it's very

24:01

clearly not the author condoning it. Like literally

24:03

the bad person in this book has

24:05

this is is homophobic.

24:09

And some people are like, well, you know, the author has

24:11

this in the book, they are condoning it. That

24:13

is not what's happening here. Let's have some media literacy.

24:17

But you shouldn't take that out of a little free library.

24:19

You know what I mean? I'd say only

24:21

grab a book that is very obviously and seriously

24:24

condoning something bad like How to Kick a

24:26

Kitten 101, not satire.

24:28

You know, other than stuff like

24:30

that, that is like, like, especially nonfiction

24:33

stuff like that. It's not okay

24:35

to decide whether other people can read. If you

24:37

own the little free library, you can curate

24:39

it however you want, obviously. But if

24:41

you don't, you should probably leave it alone unless you

24:44

see something very vile in there that you think

24:46

has the potential for harm. And it sounds like this

24:48

book that Maureen is talking about is a nonfiction

24:50

instructional book that

24:52

has the potential for harm. And if

24:55

you see that again, it's a little free library, you can take

24:57

it out and do whatever you want with it. That's not

24:59

against the rules. But just

25:01

there are very few rules about the little free library.

25:04

Really. It just reminds me of that friend

25:06

of mine whose mother was

25:09

so grumpy about people using the

25:11

little free library in a way that she didn't like that she

25:13

like installed a camera

25:15

and a lock on it and like only

25:18

let people in the neighborhood, Facebook

25:20

group have the

25:22

code to

25:24

the lot. Like, just reminds me, makes

25:27

me really makes me laugh really hard. It's just so

25:29

silly. But yeah, again, this could backslide

25:31

pretty quickly. Just just make sure that

25:33

you are looking at things

25:36

in context. And you know, I

25:38

like the the the civil disobedience.

25:41

Like, this is definitely we're not saying that part

25:44

of the rules of the litter, little free libraries that

25:46

you should personally go in and curate everything.

25:48

But I think a little civil

25:50

disobedience is okay every so often.

25:53

Or all the time, honestly. And

25:56

you know, as a historian, sometimes

25:58

I have to

25:59

read historical documents that are written by terrible

26:02

people. But I'm using them to quote,

26:04

to show how bad they are. And if people got rid

26:06

of them, then I would not be able to do that. I've

26:09

shouted out this podcast on the show,

26:11

but there's a podcast called

26:13

If Books Could Kill Podcast. And there's

26:16

a lot of books on there that they just take

26:18

to task. But it's interesting because it's

26:20

even books I've read and some books that I like. And

26:23

they kind of get into like why they

26:25

it's a lot of like pseudoscience kind of books, you

26:27

know?

26:28

And it's like, oh, I mean, to use women

26:30

are from Mars, men are from, or

26:33

men are from Venus, women are from, who's from where? Who's

26:35

from where? Women are from Venus, men are from

26:37

Mars. OK, can you use that one? Like they

26:39

and they talk about it's interesting because that

26:41

book has become such a cultural touchstone

26:44

where there are things that we pull from that book and we

26:46

say, like, you know, men like to have

26:48

their man cave or whatever. But that's it's like

26:51

made up bunk. Like it's just made up

26:53

for this book. There's no like actual

26:55

science behind it. And so like that

26:58

kind of stuff, I think it is important to look at the books that we

27:00

are reading and think about like, oh, here's something

27:02

we consider knowledge that we

27:04

that just is in a book. And then if you look at

27:06

what science they use to back that up, there

27:09

is no science there. So we have to have these because

27:11

we are using them as,

27:13

you know, this sort of like cultural knowledge that

27:15

we all walk around. We're like, yes, of course,

27:18

men are like this and women are like this. And like, no,

27:20

there's actually no scientific like backing

27:22

for any of the things in that book. That person was like

27:24

not even like they have like

27:27

a PhD, but they don't really have a PhD. Like it's like

27:29

a wild book that is completely false.

27:32

So that's why I think I mean, I'm with you.

27:34

I think that we need to have these books to be available because

27:36

we need to understand why they exist and the

27:38

things that people

27:40

where we're getting this information from.

27:42

But maybe not just in a little

27:44

free library. Yeah. Yeah. OK. Yes. Yes. Sorry. I'm going on

27:46

a bigger rant about libraries. Yeah. Anyway, we have

27:48

another question on the opposite side of things.

27:51

Yes. So now what if

27:53

you are the one who wants to put something

27:55

potentially controversial in

27:58

the little free library? Brea, you want to read?

27:59

I mean, this question. Yes,

28:02

so Steph writes in and says, hi, I had

28:04

a question about a little library near me

28:06

that I hope you can help me with. There's only one

28:08

little library in my town that I know of. It

28:11

is in front of a church near my house.

28:13

I would like to put some books in it, but I'm worried that the

28:15

books might offend people. The books are Atlanta

28:17

Burns by Chuck Wendig and the Southern

28:20

Book Club's Guide to Slaying Vampires by Grady Hendricks. Both

28:22

these books are really good and I'm worried they might

28:24

be a little too spicy for the church's

28:27

taste. I checked the church's website and they

28:29

didn't have any information about the little library

28:31

other than they had constructed it and where it was located. When

28:33

I've looked in the little library, it also usually has children's

28:36

books and some adult Christian literature. Also,

28:38

it is a UCC church, if that matters. I'm not religious

28:40

myself and haven't been in a church

28:43

in decades. Would it be out of line to leave

28:45

these books in this little library? I can imagine

28:47

my neighbors speculating about some hooligan

28:49

leaving satanic books in the church library

28:52

from Steph with satanic books. Mallory,

28:54

what do you wanna say to Steph?

28:56

I mean, this is definitely something that I can relate

28:58

to. I definitely feel like a weird

29:00

little satanic gremlin all the time. But

29:03

Steph, it's not like Steph is sticking the satanic

29:06

Bible in there. These

29:08

books are mainstream fiction and

29:10

as far as I know, neither of these books have

29:12

been on any banned book lists

29:15

from Christian organizations. Plus,

29:17

this is a UCC church. So I don't think

29:19

they're gonna be grabbing the Grady

29:21

Hendricks books and putting them in a pile and setting

29:24

them on fire. That's

29:26

just really not their energy. I

29:28

just don't think her neighbors are gonna be

29:31

watching her and be like, there's the evil gremlin

29:33

woman with her terrible books. I

29:36

don't know enough about a UCC church.

29:38

It's like one of the church denominator,

29:40

I did some research

29:41

on this because I didn't know either. It's one of the

29:43

cooler churches. It's like more,

29:45

they're a little more accepting of

29:47

LGBTQIA plus rights

29:50

and stuff like that. So it's a

29:52

little cooler. Okay, okay.

29:56

I think they might take it out.

29:59

They're cool. Someone may go over

30:01

there and be like, slaying vampires,

30:03

like they're not gonna. But don't, hold

30:05

on, don't Christian people love slaying vampires? Ha

30:08

ha ha ha ha. Isn't

30:10

that a big part of the thing? I

30:12

don't think that's like in the Bible or anything. Is that what

30:14

you think it is? But they use crosses in holy

30:17

water. You would think Christians would be like, fuck yeah,

30:19

we're slaying vampires. It's like one

30:21

of the coolest parts. I would just

30:23

say. I think that is the main perk of being in

30:26

a part of a church is that you have power over demons

30:28

and vampires. That's like the main thing. Yes,

30:30

I mean, to do an exorcism,

30:33

that's the dream. I was just gonna say, Steph,

30:36

just

30:38

know that Mallory and I just told someone they could take

30:40

books out of it. That's the other thing. That

30:42

applies to all these people. And so someone could

30:45

very easily trash your book. I think

30:47

you should take that into account.

30:49

And

30:50

maybe consider other places that might

30:52

do good for your community or another community

30:54

that you wanna be involved in, like the library,

30:57

the local school, an afterschool program,

30:59

a literacy program, a books

31:01

for prisoners program. I

31:03

don't know where you and your satanic books

31:06

are living, but if your cool

31:08

books might get tossed,

31:10

maybe find a place that might appreciate them. Or

31:13

could we introduce you to Maureen

31:15

and y'all do a book exchange

31:18

where Maureen takes stuff out of that

31:20

little free library, sends them to you and you send Maureen

31:22

books.

31:23

I don't know, just saying. This

31:25

could be perfect. Yeah, I just feel like most

31:27

churches aren't gonna

31:30

notice or care. I just

31:32

feel like, especially churches that

31:34

are in areas that

31:38

aren't super ritzy, I don't know if they

31:40

have the people power to

31:42

assign someone to check on the little free library

31:44

constantly. Yeah, but if there's more

31:46

than, I mean, if it's

31:49

getting used a lot,

31:50

I could see people getting in an uproar. Now,

31:53

this is me being raised in Southern Baptist

31:55

churches, so I have no idea. But

31:58

I mean, definitely that.

31:59

would cause like an uproar to have a... You

32:02

think? I mean, again, I am speaking

32:04

totally as an outsider. We all, I don't need

32:06

to tell you folks how

32:09

distant I am

32:10

from the world of Christianity. I've

32:13

never even been to church. But

32:15

I just, I don't know. I feel like, like maybe if she's sticking

32:17

gargoyle erotica in there, someone would be like, wow,

32:19

hey, this is kind of weird. But like,

32:22

Atlanta Burns by Chuck Wendig, like,

32:24

I don't know, it just doesn't feel

32:27

that, like it's a sci-fi

32:29

book, you know? Yeah,

32:32

yeah, it's true. I

32:34

mean, listen, I think we're

32:37

both just, I'm just saying there's a risk. There's a

32:39

risk there that someone's gonna take it

32:41

out. And I don't know, I think you could, and

32:43

you won't ever know is kind of the problem. Unless

32:46

that there's some sort of public forum. Unless she sets

32:48

up a little cam. Put your own little cam.

32:52

I would be kind

32:54

of cool, but also so creepy. Or you

32:57

could put one of those things, a tile. Oh,

32:59

to see where it went? To

33:01

track it, which would also be so creepy.

33:03

Okay, don't do that. That's a great idea for a thriller.

33:05

That's so illegal, like to like track a book and

33:08

see where it went. No, don't do that. I mean, look, you're

33:10

certainly allowed to

33:13

put anything you want in there. Like we said, you can put anything

33:15

you want, but that someone, it is a community property. So

33:18

someone can

33:19

take it and literally put it in the trash. Yeah, I mean,

33:21

again, I think that's a good thing.

33:24

Yeah, I mean, again, I think that I'm

33:26

getting hung up on like these two books in particular,

33:28

which like Grady and Chuck are both friends of the show.

33:31

Like I don't

33:32

see anything in there and who

33:35

they are or their books that would tip

33:37

like be, I don't know, evil in some way.

33:39

But again, if you're,

33:42

I really think for us, my big

33:44

thing with both of these questions, this whole thing

33:47

is I think you have to think about

33:48

your goals for these books.

33:51

You know, if you just want to find a new home for a book that

33:53

you don't want anymore, a little free library

33:55

is a good place for it because instead of putting it

33:57

in recycling, someone might grab it.

34:00

and really like it. But if you're worried about

34:02

putting a Little Free Library, a book in a Little Free Library,

34:04

and it's getting removed, you just need to find another

34:07

avenue for it. If there's like, you want

34:09

a specific type of person

34:10

who might need this

34:12

book to get it, you need to put it the book in

34:14

that person's direct path. You can

34:16

mail it to a prison reading program. You

34:18

can bring it to a shelter. There's a lot

34:21

of other places. I think

34:23

something that happens a lot with Little Free Libraries is

34:25

because they have the word library in their title that

34:28

people put a lot more social importance on them than

34:30

they should have.

34:31

It's a public service, but it's not like a

34:33

direct one. It's the take a penny, leave

34:36

a penny of the book world. You wouldn't donate

34:38

money to a take a penny dish. You know

34:40

what I mean? Like same with the taking

34:42

books out. Like if you care enough to remove harmful

34:45

books from your Little Free Library, remember,

34:47

you can do even more good for your local

34:49

bookish community by showing up to public library

34:51

meetings to protest against book banning. It

34:55

just,

34:56

because they're so accessible to people, I think

34:58

that a lot of uproar and like a

35:00

lot of drama is around Little Free Libraries. And

35:03

I just feel like it's kind of a straw man,

35:05

a straw book, a straw library.

35:08

I don't know. I

35:10

just think that's not the thing that we should be focusing on.

35:13

And like,

35:14

you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. And I mean, I was

35:16

gonna say, I think like with any

35:18

free and publicly available thing, it's not going

35:20

to fit your needs 100%. Like that's the answer

35:22

for both of these. If you wanna see them change,

35:25

you need to be an active part of that. And

35:27

like Mallory said, this is like something we're all talking about

35:30

right now. Like we need, like

35:31

just being a voice in your community is important

35:33

and not everyone is going to agree with you. And that's the way community

35:36

works. It's good and bad.

35:39

Yes. Yeah,

35:41

I just, I think if people care enough

35:44

to think about this stuff, you should be taking

35:46

that care to a place where it can do a little

35:49

bit more good. Same with maybe your books. You

35:51

should be

35:51

putting them in a place that can do a little bit

35:53

more good. And if you don't care and you're just trying

35:56

to get rid of them, that's fine. But

35:59

I think our ultimate.

35:59

ruling is that you are free to put in books and

36:02

take out books, but, you

36:04

know, look at them in context.

36:06

I don't think there is a total blanket rule

36:09

on all books, you know, or putting

36:11

them in or taking them out. I think you should have

36:14

to consider them a little bit. And

36:17

like, I've definitely, there's definitely been things

36:19

where I'm like, hey, this book is super spicy,

36:21

but a lot of kids take books from this, this

36:23

little free library. Maybe I should not put that in there.

36:26

You just have to have to think about things

36:28

a little bit. We encourage bookish

36:30

civil disobedience, but

36:32

you also should be

36:34

trying to do good in your community

36:36

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36:38

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39:59

a book tech problem from Kimberly. Kimberly

40:02

says, Brienne Mallory, I enjoyed the which

40:04

books to bring on vacation episode, but I have

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40:13

to my audio books. Is there a way to fix this? Brienne,

40:16

what do you do when you wanna listen to Libby audio

40:18

books on vacation on the go? I don't

40:20

know if I have it set for this, but it looks like mine just automatically

40:24

download on to Libby.

40:26

Maybe you're using it on an iPad. I

40:28

use mine on my phone.

40:31

I know that if I'm using Libby FM on

40:33

my phone, I have to be on like good wifi

40:35

to download a book. I can't just download it anywhere,

40:37

which actually has been a problem because I'm like, oh, I wanna listen

40:39

to this. And it's like, you're not on wifi. Maybe

40:42

that's the same for Libby. Libby, maybe you need to

40:44

get

40:45

it before you go on vacation

40:47

and make sure it downloads. You can't like pick

40:49

it out while you're on vacation and

40:51

then try to listen to it because it may not stream. But

40:54

I think you just need to download it. I think that's-

40:56

But I don't have to press an extra button to download. Do you?

40:59

I have to make sure sometimes.

41:02

And that's what I think might be happening. So

41:04

if I was Kimberly, what I would

41:07

do is before I left the house, and I

41:09

do this with a bunch of things actually, because

41:11

I live in the mountains

41:12

and

41:14

I don't get service most places up here. I

41:16

download things and then I test them out. Like,

41:19

so if I was Kimberly, I would

41:21

pick out, preload my books, make

41:23

sure they're downloaded, and then turn my phone on airplane

41:26

mode and see if they work. Okay, good

41:28

idea. I would test it out. Because

41:30

this might be what happens to Kimberly is sometimes I

41:32

have things set to download. And

41:34

then I like, saunter

41:38

out of the house on my merry way. And then I looked down

41:40

and didn't fucking download. And I'm so pissed.

41:43

This happens with Spotify sometimes. Like

41:45

I will download a playlist and then I go

41:47

to listen to it in my garage, which gets no

41:50

wifi, and then it won't play.

41:52

And I'm like, what the fuck? Libra FM is having to me too, where

41:54

I thought I'd downloaded a book and it'd be like, book was not downloaded.

41:56

I'm like, oh no.

41:58

So that's what I think Kimberly needs to do.

41:59

is

42:01

load them up, pre-download them, and then before

42:03

you leave, test them out. Because sometimes

42:05

technology is funny and I think that's what's happening

42:08

is here. Yeah a little pre-house

42:10

test. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It

42:12

makes me real grumpy because

42:14

nothing is worse than when you like you're like, oh

42:17

yeah I'm going on a long car trip by myself

42:19

and you're loaded up with audiobooks and podcasts and playlists

42:22

and then you get on the road and you realize they didn't actually

42:24

download. And for me, where like

42:26

I do not get service from our house

42:29

all the way 45 minutes down the

42:31

mountain until we are like you

42:33

know in on the highway. So I'm

42:35

like man I just have to listen to my

42:38

own

42:38

thoughts for 45 minutes. Uh-uh

42:41

baby I need constant, I need

42:43

something constantly in my brain so I'm not thinking.

42:47

So Kimberly try this out. Anyone else

42:49

who has this problem, test it out before you leave the house and

42:51

then give us a follow-up Kimberly. See if

42:54

this helps you out. So

42:56

if you have ideas for book tech that you want us to test out

42:58

or book tech problems to solve you can send

43:00

them to readingglassespodcast at gmail.com.

43:07

Now let's answer a recommendation request

43:09

from one of our listeners. So

43:12

we have a massive, massive backlog

43:14

of recommendation requests. Literally years. I

43:16

think the document of all

43:18

our book recommendation requests is

43:21

a hundred pages long right now. But

43:23

every once in a while I bump up

43:25

a request up the list because

43:27

it is so good and

43:28

this is one of them and it's also follow-up.

43:31

I sent this to Bria because I was freaking

43:34

out. So remember last year

43:36

two of the 2022 reading

43:38

glasses challenge winners happened to be living

43:40

in the same town and when they sent

43:42

in their challenges I just noticed I was like wow these two

43:44

people seem like they would be friends like they have a lot of the same

43:46

taste. We assumed they were friends. I was like they must be friends.

43:49

They're just friends who sit at the show. Yeah

43:51

and so I emailed them both separately because I didn't want to be

43:53

creepy and I was like hey just want to let you know that one

43:55

of the other winners is in your town. Do you want to meet this

43:57

person? They both said yes so I email

43:59

introduced to them.

43:59

And well, they

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sent this email. Do

44:05

you want to read this email, Bri? Sure.

44:07

Hey, Bri and Mallory, Dana and Alison,

44:10

here writing together since we wanted to

44:12

update you on our meetup, since it's been

44:14

a few months since you connected us. Since March,

44:16

we've been emailing back and forth so much that we had to start

44:18

a new chain when the old one broke and meeting up for

44:20

bookish hangouts and sharing cat pictures. You

44:23

were right that we have similar tastes in books. And our first hangout,

44:25

we went to a bookstore and picked out books for each other.

44:27

For our second book date, we went to a local

44:29

indie bookstore, The Raven, for indie bookstore

44:31

date and grab brunch together. We also like to ask

44:34

each other questions each week when new

44:36

RG episodes come out. That's very cute. Like

44:39

if we're mood or seasonal readers, we want

44:41

to thank you for getting us together because we've become fast friends.

44:43

It's wild that we grew up in the same area and have so much in common,

44:45

but never knew about each other until RG

44:47

connected us. It's nice to have a bookish friend

44:50

in the area since neither of us had that before.

44:52

Here's our joint wheelhouse,

44:56

boats, spaceship count, spaceship count,

44:59

LGBT everything, character-driven

45:01

books, both of our doorways, our character,

45:03

time travel, found family, secret societies

45:05

and cozy SFF. We're

45:08

currently doing a buddy read of Howl's Moving Castle,

45:11

which we're following up with a watch of the movie. Do you have

45:13

any recommendations for a book we could read together after?

45:15

Thank you again for connecting us and for doing

45:18

reading glasses, Alison and Dana. It's

45:20

so cute.

45:22

Six years of doing

45:24

the show is worth it. Yes,

45:27

for this particular

45:29

email. Oh my God. Also.

45:32

What do you have for them? I forgot

45:34

to, I think I forgot to say anything

45:37

or post about it, but

45:39

oh my God, yeah. I

45:41

completely forgot last Thursday was our six

45:43

years of doing this show. Oh wow. Congratulations.

45:47

Six years of, congratulations to us. Congratulations

45:49

to Dana and Alison. Oh my God.

45:52

So possibly my favorite recommendation

45:54

request of all time. So I'm gonna recommend a

45:57

character driven, gay, cozy.

45:59

fantasy book which hits on a few of the

46:02

wheelhouse things. Actually it's two books because

46:04

it's a novella duology and we all love short

46:06

books to read in groups.

46:08

The first novella in the duology is called

46:10

Silver in the Wood by Emily Tesh and it is about

46:13

a man who works as a guardian for

46:15

a magical forest and he's very content with his life

46:17

and his cottage and his cat until

46:20

a handsome man moves into town and

46:22

up ends everything including

46:24

all his secrets. And it is

46:27

it just sounds so up

46:29

their

46:29

alley and again it's so fun

46:31

to do a novella read with another person

46:34

because it's like very low pressure very

46:36

easy and quick and fun and there's two if they want to if

46:39

they like it they can do the other one so I think uh

46:41

be a good fit. Brianna what do you think they should read?

46:44

You know what I'm gonna say yeah spaceships are kind of

46:46

boats. I love them. They are total. They're

46:48

the boats of the space. I feel like probably one of them likes

46:50

spaceships and one likes boats so

46:52

they did boats so they were like you know like

46:54

spaceships are boats but boats are spaceships.

46:58

Exactly. I want to recommend Cameron Hurley.

47:00

I feel like I'm recommended in a minute. Maybe

47:03

you've already read her books. I don't know. I think

47:05

maybe the Light Brigade might be an interesting one. It's um

47:07

time travel has

47:09

a time travel element space element a queer

47:11

element. It's not as cozy as

47:13

some other it's not very cozy but

47:16

it is fun science fiction with a big bad

47:18

corporation and I think it could be a really fun one.

47:20

Yeah and Cameron's books are so um chewy

47:23

in that way that like there's a lot to talk about

47:26

that I think uh would be a really good co-read.

47:28

And particularly this one because the main character I believe

47:31

the main character is like never gendered

47:33

so you like there you can kind of it's an

47:35

interesting book to kind of figure out who you think the

47:37

main character is and like it's it's a very interesting

47:39

read.

47:41

Oh well Allison and Dana

47:43

hope you're having a great bookish spring together.

47:45

It is truly our honor to have introduced you.

47:47

I know this is just so lovely

47:50

uh but that my recommendation is Silver

47:52

in the Wood by Emily Tesh. And mine is

47:54

Light Brigade by Cameron Hurley.

47:57

So if you want us to solve your reader problem

47:59

or

47:59

or answer your recommendation or request,

48:02

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48:05

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48:36

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48:38

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48:40

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