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Welcome to real beauty with FD.

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This is episode four of

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season six, and this

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will be part two of our

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conversation with Amanda GATS.

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Who is the CEO and founder of

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house of wise. And just to quote

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the awesome website, one more time,

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the house roles. Better

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sleep. Less dress,

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hotter, sex, more strength.

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Stay wise. And my

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gosh, I love it. It's such

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an incredible brand. Um,

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and it was such a blessing

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being able to speak with. Amanda

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and pick her brains. So

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without further ado, I

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ain't going to dive straight into this episode.

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And I hope you all have a great week.

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And if you were in Houston, I

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pray as I record

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this on Sunday evening, the

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rain stops. And we have

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some semi nice weather for the week

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ahead, although I have

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already looked and it seems like

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it's just going to rain relentlessly

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this week. So Houstonians.

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Stay dry.

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I do love everything about the House

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of Wise website. Again, it's very

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like slick, um, very educational.

1:20

Um, but I especially love

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some of the phrases that's being

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kind of sprinkled in, like,

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um, where it says, unlike your toxic

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X, um, we keep it honest

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and transparent, which I love. So

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how have you found balancing building

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this brand and company. while

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balancing that life of being a mom. Um,

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and I definitely, like I mentioned, like I appreciate

1:44

it. I can only imagine it's

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not being easy. Um,

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and how, you know, kinda taking

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a love determination, how

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do you prioritize your

1:53

time? Yeah, so

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I think the first thing I had to unlearn

1:58

is that there is not,

2:01

I, I'm not going to do things like

2:03

everyone else. Um, and

2:07

that's okay. So pre

2:09

covid, I ha was

2:11

going through the, the divorce already and

2:13

my kids were super, super young. And if for

2:15

anybody that has young kids, they know. your

2:19

kids go to bed so early? Yes, they'll wake

2:21

up at like nine or 10:00 PM but my

2:23

kids were like 6, 6 30 bedtime

2:25

routines. Yeah. And, and I

2:27

was breastfeeding and all the things, right. So

2:30

I would leave work at four

2:32

because I was like, I only get my kids, you

2:34

know, half of the time. Plus,

2:37

I like, they go to bed early, so I'm

2:39

gonna leave work at like 3 30, 4

2:41

o'clock. And I remember that was like, got

2:44

a lot of heat, right? Because people were

2:46

like, well, why does she get to leave at

2:48

three 30 or four? Mm-hmm. and

2:50

it was all around aligning with my. what

2:54

are my goals and like what do I need to accomplish?

2:56

What are, what does success look like?

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And I will, I will hit that. Like,

3:01

you tell me what you need me to do and I will

3:03

do it, but I need this flexibility.

3:06

And this is pre covid now. I think Covid

3:08

has shaken things up and allowed

3:10

people to, to integrate

3:12

their work in life. But above

3:15

everything else, it's like I'm

3:17

going to create.

3:20

A life that works for me. And the

3:22

cool thing is there are no

3:24

set rules anymore. And

3:27

so you can truly, truly ask

3:29

for what you need to make it

3:31

work. And the

3:33

worst thing that can happen is someone says

3:35

no to you and then you

3:37

go and you keep asking for what you

3:40

need to multiple people. And finally

3:42

someone will give it to you because they value

3:44

you and what you can do. And

3:46

so that's like, that has

3:48

been the new lens at which I look at everything.

3:51

It's like, how do. Do

3:53

something that maybe

3:55

looks and feels and sounds

3:57

different, but it works. And so that

3:59

then leads into I have this luxury of building

4:02

a company from scratch with

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a bunch of women who, you

4:07

know, are looking for this

4:09

new approach to how work should

4:11

work or, or an integrated approach.

4:15

we have what's called like a 70

4:17

30, 70% async,

4:19

30% synced work week schedule.

4:22

And basically what that means is

4:25

only 30% of our week is,

4:27

you know, synced in person

4:30

or, or meetings, et cetera. And, uh,

4:32

outside of that, I don't care

4:35

how much you work, it's

4:37

truly around. you, we

4:39

have a very clear goal setting

4:41

schedule where you know what

4:43

your goals are for that week. We've aligned

4:46

on how you're going to report tho into those

4:48

goals. Mm-hmm. and the strategy you're using

4:50

to hit those goals. And

4:53

then I don't care when you work and we have a

4:55

lot of like fractional

4:57

employees who

4:59

are doing the work in the best in their

5:01

own time and. is

5:05

very uncomfortable in

5:08

the world where we live in,

5:10

in, in the ecosystem. We, we exist in. we're

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a VC backed company, and so

5:16

the, they're trying VC

5:19

landscape is all around, uh,

5:21

pattern recognition. Mm-hmm.

5:24

they want to put you in a pile that

5:26

looks like this other pile so they can

5:28

say, okay, your expected

5:30

return should be this, or

5:33

you should be growing at this rate. And

5:37

it's hard for people to.

5:40

Look at us and say, well, how do I know

5:43

you're working as hard, you know,

5:45

quotation marks like as hard

5:48

as these other people because you

5:50

know, you have employees that are posting like

5:52

with their kids at the park during the day

5:54

and whatnot, and at

5:57

the end of the day, like we're growing, we're up

5:59

200% year over year. And

6:01

so it's, I just always bring it back to.

6:04

What really matters? Cause I don't, I don't

6:06

care about optics. Like I truly

6:09

don't. And I, I post that I'm at the pool

6:11

during the day because my kids are at school and I need

6:13

a break. And like,

6:16

truly, truly, it's about shedding

6:19

and like the thing we started with, shedding the like

6:21

notion that you have to care

6:25

what other people's perception of the way

6:27

you're living your life.

6:29

You, Janelle, that is, I wish there

6:31

was more people like you in,

6:34

I mean, everywhere. Um, but

6:36

I work in energy

6:39

and, you know, it's a very kind of corporate

6:41

setting. Um, and

6:44

although we have flexibility,

6:47

um, I, it would

6:49

definitely be awesome to have

6:51

this type of empowerment knowing

6:53

that. You know, to me, I can

6:56

see my peers kinda working,

6:59

you know, whatever, like eight till five,

7:01

staying late, and

7:03

I go in, I get what I need to get done,

7:05

and then I leave. Like similar to you.

7:07

I'm like, I wanna be able to pick up

7:09

my kid, I wanna be able to go to the

7:11

park, have fun, and I do not get

7:13

on my laptop in the evening. Like I very much

7:17

maximize my time and to me,

7:19

Sometimes I'm like, just

7:22

because you're putting in the hours, it doesn't

7:24

necessarily mean that you're bringing in that

7:26

quality. Yeah. Or the

7:28

amount of chit chat or coffees or,

7:31

you know, whatever else. Um,

7:34

but I think to be able to create

7:36

that empowerment around you where you're

7:38

like, this is the goal. It's

7:40

up to you how you. Like, I'm here

7:43

to help, but it's up to you. Use

7:45

your time wisely. Right. I think,

7:47

yeah. And knowing women, let's

7:49

be honest, we,

7:52

you know, in some cases we definitely

7:54

work harder in some scenarios

7:56

and. You know, I've

7:58

worked in corporate for however many years,

8:01

but I kicked off my career when I was 17.

8:03

I worked offshore and I was the only

8:05

female for years.

8:07

Um, and I always

8:10

felt like I had to work harder.

8:12

All the guys would be, you know, chilling out

8:14

and I'd be trying to learn something

8:17

and I would always go above and beyond. A

8:19

part of me is like, well, it stayed with me. I

8:22

continue to like bust my ass. Cause I, you know, I,

8:24

I want to strive, but I'm also

8:26

like, imagine if we just all started on

8:29

the same playing field. Imagine

8:31

if it was all equal and we

8:33

didn't have to feel the need

8:35

to bring more. And I think especially

8:38

when you're a mom, you then

8:40

think, okay, well now I need to

8:42

bring more cuz they're gonna think

8:44

I'm not serious about my career and I.

8:47

I hate that, especially in America.

8:49

I feel like it's a, it's a lot different

8:52

here, the way we view women

8:54

and we're like, oh, great, she's pregnant. Awesome.

8:57

Yeah, that's it, that's it for her career. And you're like,

8:59

no, no, no, no. We can do this

9:02

Yeah. So the way I, I, as

9:05

I get older, I, I, I try

9:07

to just like go back to.

9:09

Facts and, and keep

9:12

it in data because I think once

9:14

we, once we assign gender to something,

9:16

it causes an emotional reaction. You

9:19

know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. And so all

9:21

of a sudden, like, like men

9:24

are like, oh, here we go again. This is about

9:26

like, uh, whatever,

9:28

right? And so, yeah, I teach a

9:30

class on efficiency and I,

9:32

I'll like go through this and I'll be like, okay,

9:34

let's talk about Parkinson's law. It's, it's

9:37

about the fact that whatever time

9:39

you allot to an activity, you

9:41

will fill it with that activity. And

9:44

so we have allotted, you

9:46

know, a 10 or eight to 10

9:48

hour workday based

9:50

on industrial revolution times.

9:54

We have been given eight to 10 hours to be

9:57

at work. So we will fill that

9:59

eight to 10 hours with chatting

10:02

with our friends on Slack, with you

10:04

know, whatever. We will expand

10:07

to whatever time. And so I

10:09

teach efficiency and I'll

10:11

be like, Set a timer, say,

10:13

I need to create this deck and

10:15

I'm giving myself 70 minutes

10:17

to do it, and I'm gonna

10:20

create the outline today, and then tomorrow I'm gonna

10:22

make it look pretty and the next day I'm going

10:24

to proof it, add more concepts and I'll

10:26

have a deck done in, you

10:28

know, 210 minutes

10:30

over the span of three days. Yeah. And like

10:33

I teach people like you will then

10:35

get it done because, you know,

10:37

you only have 70 minutes. And I think intuitively

10:40

going back to what you said women

10:42

have, you know, w when you look

10:44

at the number of invisible labor hours that

10:46

are assigned to women versus men, um,

10:49

obviously this is a very heteronormative

10:51

we we're taking. Account,

10:54

like single dads, et cetera, which I think,

10:56

yeah, don't have enough credit, but it's like, okay,

10:58

if we look at the macro scale we

11:01

have. Both work and,

11:03

you know, childcare and all these things that are,

11:06

are on our plates. And so

11:08

we naturally do it. And so

11:10

if we teach everyone to do

11:12

this, then we're equipping

11:15

an entire society with

11:17

the, the, the tools they need

11:19

to get more done and less time so

11:22

that it frees up. I,

11:25

I think, removing men from this conversation.

11:29

time, et cetera. We're doing all

11:31

of ourselves a disservice because if we could

11:34

let them get their work done in less time

11:36

too, they're now open

11:38

to say, well, what would I do with that extra

11:40

time? And how can I Yeah. Like, you know,

11:43

pick the kids up from school and go,

11:45

et cetera. So I, I, I push

11:47

like, I used to only talk

11:49

to women about this stuff, and then I was like, well,

11:51

we, we know how to do this. Like

11:54

it's innate. And so now I teach like

11:56

a lot of people how to, to think

11:58

about their time in such a way that's truly,

12:01

truly outcome oriented

12:03

so that everyone can

12:05

be freed up to, to have more

12:07

hours to do what they want to be

12:09

doing. And that want can be decided,

12:12

you know, based on what's important to them.

12:16

Yeah. And it

12:16

also, I mean, that's a great way

12:18

of thinking about it and I really need to put

12:21

that into practice. Um, especially

12:23

when it comes to your example of presentations,

12:26

that's probably where I procrastinate

12:29

the most. I'll literally

12:31

leave it to the last minute and I'm like, oh, I hate

12:33

doing presentations. Um,

12:36

but yeah, I think it's. Setting

12:39

that goal of completing something.

12:41

So then you're like, this means I

12:43

can leave early and I can go see

12:45

my friends. I can go to happy hour or

12:47

I can go to the park, or whatever

12:50

it is. But I think that

12:52

time allocation, because we've

12:54

been so conditioned with

12:56

that hours of, you know, this

12:58

is when you need to be at work. And

13:01

I think, you know, mentioning this

13:03

kinda. You know, post

13:05

covid lifestyle where there is

13:07

more flexibility. You

13:09

have so many people being

13:11

like, but we've been so used to,

13:14

yeah, the eight to five. Like now,

13:16

what do you mean? You can leave earlier?

13:18

You can flex your schedule. And I think

13:21

we have such a disjointed

13:24

in the workforce right now, where you

13:26

have the younger generation being like, this is

13:28

great. We're working from home. They

13:30

trust us, and you have. I'm

13:33

obviously generalizing the older generation, they're

13:35

like, whoa, why are you working from home?

13:38

You should be here. You should be seen.

13:40

Why are you grabbing a coffee? Why are you leaving

13:42

early? That it's,

13:43

um, Well, we, we,

13:45

like the shift happened. It

13:48

was literally like one day

13:51

we were working in an office. The next

13:53

day we worked from home, and so

13:55

there was no transition

13:57

period. And so then it was like you

14:00

had an entire group of, of people being

14:02

like, well, This has an expiration

14:04

date and we're going back to normal, and,

14:07

and now we're seeing it did, that

14:09

didn't happen. And now there's a lot of hybrid.

14:12

But yeah. What happened during the time

14:14

of covid was developing tools

14:17

to create the, the things

14:19

that happen in an office,

14:21

uh, because there is the,

14:24

the, the hallway chats

14:26

sometimes. Brew

14:29

ideas or they, um, they

14:31

allow for less

14:34

one-on-one time, you know, meeting

14:36

times. And now all of a sudden it's like, well, how do

14:38

we prevent everybody from being on Zoom

14:40

all day so that they can still get the work

14:42

done, but still allow for those kind

14:45

of spontaneous interactions? And so

14:47

we, we instituted what was called a

14:49

synced, um, slack time.

14:52

Where everyone has to be on Slack

14:54

for about 90 minutes on a Tuesday,

14:56

and we do a round robin

14:59

where, and everybody can see

15:01

it's transparency. Now granted, we

15:03

have a team of less than 10 people, so that makes

15:05

this so much easier than a big corporation.

15:07

But you can imagine, yeah, like if you

15:10

need cross-functional alignment,

15:12

it's like, okay, so. Let's have

15:14

marketing and product do a synced

15:16

slack time where the product managers

15:19

are talking to the marketing managers and,

15:21

and they're just like at pinging a bunch of

15:23

questions back and forth, but then everybody has line of sight

15:26

into what the questions are. It's like,

15:28

Hey, how's that new product coming along?

15:30

I'm, I'm a little concerned about this feature. Can you

15:32

talk like blah, blah, blah, blah. And that's

15:35

like the hallway conversation. But now the

15:37

best part is it's transparent

15:39

because everybody can see that slack message.

15:41

So it's actually. Elating

15:44

a lot of the, the stuff. So

15:46

I think I, I'm a very like,

15:49

solutions oriented type

15:51

of mind, and so I'm like, okay, we

15:53

just need to create solutions for

15:56

this transition from all

15:58

at, uh, all at the office to

16:01

all at home. And I think once

16:03

we do that, we can speak to the generation

16:05

that. Okay. What's

16:07

your fear? I always like, that's my biggest

16:09

question about anything. Yeah. When someone comes back on

16:11

something like, what are you fearing right now?

16:14

Like what, what, what do you feel

16:16

like is going to get lost? Let's

16:19

sulfur that versus

16:21

just like beating your hands down and saying, we

16:23

must be in the office. Like, why?

16:25

Yeah. You're

16:26

like, why? Yeah. Yeah. And

16:28

what is the

16:28

purpose? You just chip away at that.

16:30

Like, I feel like a lot of things

16:32

will be better in this world

16:35

if we. like get curious

16:38

about why someone feels the way

16:40

that they do. And then once

16:42

you peel back kind of the layers

16:44

of that, you can start to solve for those

16:46

and then you make progress. But I think we're,

16:49

we're right now in a weird

16:51

stage where everybody

16:53

feels so passionate about their beliefs and they're

16:56

holding them so closed handed

16:58

that we are not stopping

17:00

to just have conversations.

17:04

Yeah, it's true.

17:05

Or stopping to

17:07

be open enough to listen

17:10

and hear the other person's

17:13

perspective and think,

17:15

okay, I understand why you're feeling

17:17

that way. Let's compromise.

17:20

Whereas I agree, I

17:22

agree. There's definitely a lot of

17:24

emotions. Slightly Yeah,

17:26

a lot of people definitely jumping on the defense

17:29

and everything's very. Um,

17:32

like us versus them kind of

17:34

thing. Right, exactly. Um, okay.

17:37

So I do have one more

17:39

question and then we'll kick

17:41

into the quick fire rounds. So,

17:44

um, for all the women listening

17:46

to this, can you provide advice

17:49

on what you feel is needed

17:51

in order to be successful?

17:57

So in order to be successful,

18:00

you truly have to love yourself.

18:03

Like, and, and be

18:05

your own partner. Be

18:07

your own hype person

18:10

when you go into a room, like

18:12

I was the youngest VP in the corporate,

18:15

like in my corporate setting. Um,

18:17

and that came with a lot of like,

18:20

oh, What are

18:22

they talking about me? Do they not

18:24

feel like I deserve this

18:26

role, et cetera, et cetera. And, and

18:28

there's a ton of like conversations

18:30

you can have in your head. You

18:32

have to truly stand

18:35

in your knowledge, in your

18:37

expertise, in your growth, and,

18:39

and f. Feel worthy of

18:42

whatever place that you are in. Same

18:44

with relationships. Like if you wanna have a successful

18:47

relationship, you need to be

18:49

a whole human, and the other person

18:51

needs to be a whole human. You have to have done

18:53

your work to know what you bring to the

18:56

table, to know what your gaps are, to know what your

18:58

triggers are, and, and

19:00

stand in that. And then you're

19:02

not trying to earn someone else's

19:04

love because you, you know

19:06

that. Complete without it. And

19:09

so everything comes back to like

19:11

this completeness in yourself.

19:14

And that to me has been

19:16

the work that has, I think, catapulted

19:19

me over the last couple of years in

19:21

my career, in my personal life,

19:23

um, as a mom. Um,

19:25

I'm not trying to earn

19:28

things. I'm, I'm comp, you know, sanding

19:30

in my completeness.

19:33

I love that. That is a great, great

19:35

answer. Um, Yeah,

19:38

I think we all need to be like that.

19:40

I definitely, a lot of times

19:42

we'll have like imposter syndrome

19:44

and think I shouldn't be here,

19:46

I don't deserve to be here. Or why is

19:48

that person my friend? Um,

19:51

and it's, I really try and snap

19:53

out it and again, I feel the

19:55

older I get, the more confident I become

19:58

in myself. Um,

20:00

but I feel we all need to just do

20:02

that check sometimes, even if it's just

20:04

before you go into the office or before you

20:06

start your workday or before

20:08

you got for drinks and be like, no, I, I

20:11

deserve to be here because of

20:13

X, Y, Z. It's like, we need to do our

20:15

own Kinda walking like

20:18

hide Yeah.

20:20

Well, okay. And then the last thing I'll say on this topic

20:22

is, Bring

20:25

our brains there. There's a thing called the

20:27

negativity bias. Our brains are wired

20:30

and it, it takes, it takes you back to the evolution

20:33

days of cavemen and stuff, but our brains

20:35

are wired to a nine

20:37

to one negativity

20:39

bias. Meaning for every one positive

20:42

thing, you may think, you'll think nine negative

20:44

things. That that is how our brain is wired. And

20:46

if you think about why, from an evolutionary standpoint,

20:48

it was probably to protect yourself,

20:50

you have to think about like, oh,

20:52

this isn't just a beautiful spot to

20:55

like build a family or a truck

20:57

or whatever. It's like, oh, we're close to this,

21:00

you know, potential fault line or, or this

21:02

kind of animal that could, or whatever.

21:04

You had to constantly be thinking about what could go

21:06

wrong. Well, that has stayed

21:08

in our brains, and so just

21:11

know that when you're thinking negative thoughts,

21:14

you have to intentionally rewire

21:16

your brain to say

21:19

positive things because it's. it's baseline

21:22

is nine to one negative to positive.

21:25

And that's not anyone's fault. That's just

21:27

how we were evolved as creatures.

21:29

And so that's why like I used

21:31

to be like, oh, gratitude journaling is

21:33

so silly. Like, I don't need to do

21:35

that. But now that I know the,

21:38

the data and the science behind

21:40

it, I'm like, oh no, I have to because I have

21:42

to rewire my brain to

21:44

be thinking not a positive thing. So when

21:46

you're going into a meeting, And

21:48

you feel that imposter syndrome, reframe

21:52

it as, oh, my brain's wiring

21:54

is nine to one, so now I've

21:56

gotta shift that. So yes, I'm

21:59

a little nervous. I don't feel like I have to, you

22:01

know, I've earned my place to be at this thing. I don't

22:03

feel like I know as much as these other people.

22:05

Okay, well, shit, I just thought of three negative

22:07

things. I'm gonna double that and try to think

22:09

of six positive things. Like, oh, I've

22:11

done the research on this thing. I, I

22:13

feel really confident in talking about this aspect.

22:16

Like I've. You know, 15

22:18

years to get into this meeting, like give

22:20

yourself that rewiring, and now

22:22

you're like, okay, it's not about gratitude anymore. It's

22:24

like about I have a short

22:26

circuit and I need to fix it.

22:29

Yeah. It's like you're just powering yourself

22:31

back to be like, hold on. Wait

22:34

mind. I know I can do this.

22:36

Right. Um, but no, that is great

22:39

advice. Um, I definitely

22:41

could ask you another like 30 questions, but anyway,

22:43

let's go into the round.

22:47

Um, so just tell me whatever pops

22:49

into your head. So your favorite

22:51

cocktail?

22:53

I don't drink a lot, um, but

22:55

if I do, uh, I am, I

22:58

love a good like old fashion.

23:01

Oh yeah. I love an old fashioned, yeah,

23:04

I, I'm the same. I don't drink

23:06

that much. Um, I'm also

23:08

the biggest lightweight, which is why

23:11

I don't drink a lot. So I kinda don't help

23:13

myself but

23:15

I can only have one. And

23:17

that is enough But

23:19

I love an old fashioned, um,

23:22

who would play you in a movie?

23:25

Oh gosh. I mean, if I had to pick

23:27

a character that I feel the most, like,

23:29

it'd be like Mrs. Maisel, but like, I'd

23:31

be Miss Mrs. Maisel personified

23:33

as like someone else. But, um,

23:36

like I, I think like

23:38

an. Emma Stone

23:40

or someone like that who's like a little quirky

23:43

says what's on our mind. Yeah,

23:45

I'm a little awkward too, so like,

23:48

I'm sure that would come into play.

23:50

I don't know. Something like that. Emma

23:53

Stone's a good one. Um, what

23:55

is your favorite number?

23:57

23. It was my basketball number and I'm from

24:00

Illinois and I was a big Michael Jordan fan

24:02

and it, I see 23 all

24:04

the time. Oh, I

24:05

love that. That's a good one. It's

24:08

interesting cuz of course, as Michael Jordan, but it

24:10

makes me instantly think of Onetree Hill.

24:12

I dunno if he ever watched that. Yeah. But

24:15

um, that was their nu such

24:17

a good show. Um, anyway, um,

24:19

if you were a sex say character,

24:22

who would you be?

24:24

So, I'm. A mix

24:26

between Carrie and Samantha, cuz I

24:28

have no filter when it comes to sexuality,

24:31

et cetera. But I'm a hopeless romantic.

24:33

Like I truly, truly, um,

24:36

want to find my partner.

24:39

And I, I feel like I have, I'm, I'm

24:41

now recently dating someone new and, um,

24:44

like I, I, that is my driver. Like

24:47

I, I think for me, I. Sex

24:50

is the best when I have an emotional connection

24:52

with the person. And I

24:55

like, I don't know if anybody knows the term bisexual,

24:57

but that is truly what I am, like my, my

24:59

sexual drive comes from emotional

25:02

connection. Um, and

25:04

so yeah, I, I definitely feel like

25:06

the, the mix of Carrie and Samantha, cause I

25:08

just have no filter too. So

25:10

that's why I said the Samantha.

25:13

Yeah, I mean I dream

25:15

of having that little piece of snap

25:18

in me, but I'm so Charlotte.

25:20

It's unbelievable. I'm

25:23

definitely on like the prude and

25:25

honestly, it's through doing this podcast, I've interviewed,

25:29

um, someone that specializes

25:31

in sex in sex

25:33

therapy. Yeah, it has been. Awesome

25:36

to talk about it. The more I speak about it, more

25:38

comfortable I become, but it is crazy

25:41

how much like my pans will like sweat

25:43

up when we talk about it and I'm like, oh, I'm

25:45

so, I'm so Charlotte. Um,

25:48

okay. If you could pick only two skincare

25:51

products, what would they be?

25:54

So, I

25:57

would definitely say like I now with

25:59

our, our serum, I don't wanna just

26:01

say like, I, I use that every day

26:03

and it's like now kind of replaced a

26:05

couple of my other ones I'm

26:07

gonna say. So

26:10

I use Vaseline a lot.

26:13

Yeah. I do like,

26:15

it's if I could only have something

26:18

that's in my arsenal, I have very combo

26:20

skin, so I use Vaseline, um, like

26:23

over things or, or just alone.

26:26

And it's so cheap. And so I feel like that's like probably

26:28

number one. And then number two,

26:32

uh, like a skin pharmaceuticals

26:35

retinol, like that transformed

26:37

my skin immensely. So if I had those

26:39

two things, I would

26:41

be like, set for life.

26:44

Yeah. I mean, Vaseline is definitely one

26:46

of those products that you can use so

26:48

much. Yeah, so much for like, everything.

26:51

Um, what is the best compliment you've

26:53

ever gotten?

27:00

Best compliment I've ever gotten. I

27:03

mean, whenever someone compliments

27:05

you on motherhood

27:08

hits in like a new way, like.

27:12

Beauty fades. Like businesses

27:16

come and go, like my identity

27:18

is not wrapped up in in, or

27:20

at least I'm trying to unlearn that my

27:22

identity is wrapped up in any of those

27:25

performance-based metrics.

27:28

And when someone meets

27:31

my kids and says something about

27:33

my children, to me,

27:35

it's not even a compliment to me.

27:39

If they're polite or they help

27:41

someone or they're like

27:44

that. If I, if I'm raising kids

27:46

who will try to make the world a little bit better

27:49

and more loving and and

27:51

less divisive, then

27:53

to me that's the best compliment because

27:55

that's my, like, legacy. You

27:58

know? That's what's gonna last way beyond.

28:01

Hopefully, you know, my time here.

28:03

So I think it the, that's

28:05

what really like lights. Yeah,

28:08

that's a great

28:08

way to think about him. It's

28:11

always nice when your kids are polite, Yeah,

28:14

I'm forever striving for

28:17

that. My daughter can sometimes be a little bit

28:19

shy and when new people

28:21

come up to her, she will go quiet and

28:23

I'm like, no, no. Say hi Yeah,

28:26

like it's okay to say hi. My,

28:29

my middle. Also like stranger in danger. Danger.

28:32

Right. My middle is really shy and

28:34

so we have a lot of talks on,

28:36

you know, what do you feel when, you

28:38

know, you meet new people and it's like, oh yeah.

28:41

You know, sometimes like, cuz I'm an extrovert

28:43

and so is my oldest daughter and so

28:45

her two models that are like,

28:47

I could talk to a tree for an hour, and

28:49

so she. I'm

28:52

like, you know what? There's lots of people

28:54

that, you know, when they first meet

28:56

people, they, they're quiet,

28:59

and then maybe there's

29:01

a question you could ask. That's

29:04

like how I frame it. It's like, here's a question

29:06

you can ask them, like, what's your favorite color?

29:08

And so that way they, she feels equipped to like

29:10

ask them a question because then it'll get them talking.

29:13

I was like, the best part when you don't wanna talk

29:15

is like get the other person talking so that you

29:17

don't have to talk. Yeah. But I totally

29:19

feel that's my middle. Literally like you can

29:21

feel her just like retreating behind

29:23

my legs to be like, I don't wanna see anyone.

29:28

Yeah, it is, it is wild as they grow

29:30

their like personalities. Um, and

29:32

then once they're out there, you're like, okay, you

29:34

can come back in You're

29:36

good. That's enough. Um, okay.

29:39

And what is your life motto

29:41

or favorite fa um, phrase

29:44

that you live by?

29:48

Um, I have

29:50

on my like wall, I have a couple things. Like

29:52

I have, life is tough, but so are you

29:55

like, at the end of the day, like it's choose,

29:57

you're tough. Like everything is, there's

30:00

no easy path in anything. And so

30:03

I, I, I really do settle on the fact that

30:05

like, Not going to the gym is hard.

30:07

Going to the gym is hard. Like, yeah,

30:09

you know, building a company is hard, but working

30:11

for a company is hard. Like it's just

30:13

choosing your hard and knowing

30:16

that you can do either of

30:18

them and, and so I think that

30:20

one, I, I think about a lot. I

30:24

love it.

30:24

That's perfect. Thank you so much,

30:26

Amanda, for joining me. Um,

30:29

I've very much appre appreciate

30:31

this conversation and everything you've accomplished

30:33

and also just the space that you're

30:36

trying to. Great

30:38

so well for women and to be

30:40

able to have these conversations so openly,

30:43

um, is very inspiring

30:45

and I know, I hope my listeners

30:47

will appreciate it too. But please go

30:49

check out House of Wise, um,

30:52

as I mentioned, I have

30:54

been using, um, the face serum, so

30:56

I'll post more about it on my Instagram page.

30:59

And, you know, we mentioned some more of their products,

31:01

so please go have a look. Um, but

31:03

yeah. Thank you so much, Amanda.

31:05

Well, thank you. I really appreciate

31:07

this conversation and all the, the topics

31:09

that you cover on this podcast. So thank you so much

31:11

for doing it.

31:13

Yeah, anytime. And I hope you enjoy

31:15

your time in Chicago. Um,

31:17

and I will let you know once this

31:19

goes

31:19

live. Awesome. Thank you, Franc.

31:22

Thank you. Bye bye.