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And welcome to this episode of real life, real crime, the podcast, and as always, I'm your host Woody Overton today, I'm going to be starting a new series on a case that I worked myself in.

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So progression on March the 10th, 2006, I was working as the detective for the Livingston parish Sheriff's office.

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It was a Friday afternoon, a member of as cold as one of those gray cold March days.

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And haven't been working on the day shift.

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I think my partner was Calvin bell and detective Calvin Belden at the time on Friday afternoon.

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You're really not trying to get into too much after you do regular court.

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And you know, what have you, maybe you go arrest somebody on warrants.

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Are you working on a case as long as y'all work and blood on the ground or a rape or something like that, you're really not trying to get into too much on a Friday because you know, you're going to be off from the weekend.

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And then unless you were the detectives working nights and you had to cover the weekend, but I know I w I was on days and I lived in Watson, Louisiana at the time.

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And I just remember it being that cold day.

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And my least favorite time of the year is after hunting season is too cold, the fish and just a windy, chilly blustery day.

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But I'm sitting in my office in the phone rings and Tina staffer now senior staff at Pearson said, y'all, there's a home robbery, a 64 G at the King's dry, cleaner, and Watson.

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I'm like, what the fuck? It's just around, I guess, around two o'clock a little bit after two.

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O'clock why that Keens y'all it happened to be my dry cleaners.

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Okay. I went there almost every day.

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Remember I told you we were code and ties and yeah, we had to dress up everyday and detect as well.

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Part of that was the, I said I had to take my shit to be dry clean.

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And I went there so much.

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In fact, it was so close to my house that not only did I know the people that worked there, but I had my own outside locker because a lot, a lot of times I'd get up early in the morning before going to work and I'd swing through there and pick out whatever clothes were left over.

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I had, I guess I had to revolve revolving account.

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The Kings was located in the shopping center.

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I think it was key point or something like that.

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The name I'll know what it is now in that area. So grown up, but the Kings was the last building on like a strip row, but they had a drive-through section.

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Okay. And if you were sitting in the drive-through with Kings was on you to laugh, you look to the right.

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And there was another building in the standalone building, and that was the thing.

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It was a mortgage company or something, but those are the people who own that property.

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Also say everybody that in there was their tenants, but so we get to call the 64 G the armed robbery and we roll out, right?

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I mean, that's just a serious, you can get other than ripe or murder.

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And so we were allowed in force.

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Now I'm going to aggress a little bit and tell you what happened that day.

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Okay. That mortgage building company I was telling you about stated that I shouldn't use angles, I guess it wouldn't matter in the solid, a matter of public record.

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Y'all obviously say it, but I'm not gonna use the names and why I said it doesn't matter then.

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And I'll explain to you why at the end of that episode, what they did to me, the mortgage, one of the real estate agents that ran that mortgage company, or at worked out of that building was talking to one of their tenants in inside the lobby.

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When a black male walked up, opened the door, he's approximately six foot one had on a black hoodie sweatshirt.

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And I think like blue Jean pants and tennis shoes.

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And he said, yo, can I use the bathroom?

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And the real estate agents like, yeah, it's, it's right back there.

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And point it to where it was now at the same time, these two females that had been conversing, you know, looked outside and saw there was a black female dressed in whatever Capri pants or in some type of sweat shirt, but she was short heavyset, black female.

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And she stayed outside, but it says, she's kind of like looking around in the black male came in and he went straight back to the bathroom, but they said he almost immediately came walk right back past them and walked out the door much too short of a time.

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She used the restroom to go in and use the bathroom like that.

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It was kind of odd. Right. And really didn't think anything else about it.

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The black male and the black female then proceeded down that row that's offices.

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It was a bunch of different things in that complex y'all there was Kings was only in, then there was like a fabric shop or, or design shop or something.

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If I remember correctly, then there was, I don't know, there was a, like a restaurant thing in the front of that.

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And it's like a shopping center right.

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With the last one was, it was a credit union.

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I can't remember the name of it right now, but it was that long, right.

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In the, it's a really busy area.

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It's a really busy, a lot of cars in and out.

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People pull in an hour. And so these different businesses, et cetera.

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So the black male and the black female walk away with these two ladies, keep talking inside him.

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Remember one of them was attending. And I think she had the fabric shop and then they ended up their discussion and the lady drives over to, she goes outside and gets into a vehicle.

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She drives over and parks in front of her store on the fabric store.

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I think it was. And what was she's driving over?

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What does she see?

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She sees the black male and the black female coming from the far end of the shopping center by the credit union and walking her way.

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But what are they doing?

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They're stopping as it at each individual store.

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And they're looking into the glass for storefront windows.

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This kind of set her off a little bit, not all, but I mean, she thought it was strange.

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Here you are. Why don't you just go in?

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You just came in the mortgage companies thing and asked to use the bathroom and she didn't stay for a second.

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And now it's been 10 or 15 minutes later.

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And here you are on the far in walking back towards me looking into the store windows.

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And she was like, Hmm.

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Yeah. And so she gets out and she waited from the past by, and they walk by looking, definitely looking in the store one days and then she gets out and she goes inside her store.

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Well, around two o'clock the clerk for Keens.

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My dry cleaners was tagging clothes.

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And on her, on the phone, in the store and the king story out.

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When you walk in that I told you that driveway was the driveway of the drive for through was to the right of it.

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If you're facing it, when you walk in the counters, like immediately there there's no seating or whatever, this is, the counter clerk stands behind the counter.

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And you got this big ass room in the back, full, all the clothes that are hanging on the racks.

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Right. I don't think they necessarily processed all the closed air and did all the dry cleaners there.

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I think they picked them up and shipped them.

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Some of them out of the places and brought them back or whatever.

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But you know how it is when you go and dry cleaners and have those racks, it spin around and all that shit.

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Right. So she's behind the counter and the blackmail comes in same way, the hoodie, six, six foot, one skinny.

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And he says, Hey, can I use your restroom?

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She said, yeah. Okay.

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And points towards the back of the store.

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So he goes in, she's still tagging clothes and is on the phone.

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And she looks outside cause they have the big glass when they're right.

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The Kings does. And she sees the black female, the same one that described to you earlier, short heavyset, black female, standing outside, kind of looking around to the left of not facing the store.

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She would look over shoulders store and she would look back out.

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She's looking around almost like she scanned in the parking lot.

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And at that second, the worker that King's employee that is on the phone and she says, you know what, let me hang up.

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She stalled, you know this, I just let this dude in the back of my store.

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And I don't know anything about him.

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I had to let him in to use the bathroom.

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Right? This lady was a young, I mean, I think she was like 21 years old, hard work and going to school, doing all this and hold down a full-time job.

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Nice to summer heart.

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On a cold day, she lets a stranger in and use the bathroom.

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She goes to turn around and boom, as pistol in her face and immediately starts screaming.

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Give me your fucking money. Give me your fucking money.

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Give me your money. Now, if you've ever had a pistol putting your face, what they call tunnel vision is absolutely true.

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The pistol could be the size.

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It could be a little bitty, small 22 with a little bit small barrel.

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And you're looking down, it's going to look like a Howard or cannon.

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Okay? The all you're going to be focused on is that barrel.

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And it looks huge. Believe me, I've been there.

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All right. They call that tunnel vision.

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But the same time, this poor girl, who's never done any harm to anybody.

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All she's doing is trying to work and make a living is being screened in the face.

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Bitch, gimme your money. This fucking Robert, give me your money.

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I'll blow your fucking brains out.

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What

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do? The either going to fight flight or freeze.

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Thank God she chose to freeze up.

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And then he's continued to give her, given her the loud verbal commands, fucking money, give me a fucking money.

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And she did. She opened the register.

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She gave him like 75 bucks.

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I think it was. And he grabbed her and he said, it's holding the gun to her head.

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He said, I want more money. And she said, well, there's a safe in the back of the store.

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And so he forcefully takes her back.

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Their gun to the head, gets it to the safe.

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And she's able to take out like 75 more bucks.

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Or it was a small amount of money.

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Almost things were done on credit cards, but she gave him everything and she should have, you know, you find yourself in a situation, do whatever the hell they tell you to do.

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Because if you put up any kind of resistance, then you, you know, dead people can't testify.

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Right? If you do most robbers don't have the true intention of killing.

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At least when they start out, don't have the true intention to kill so comply.

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And she complied. And then what happened was thinking the door goes off to the Kings, which means some ice just came into the store and he told her, he said, bitch, you stay here.

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Well, I'm gonna kill you.

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And he goes, and he basically runs out of the store in a hurry.

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And the guy that had just walked in the store was a customer for Kings.

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And he didn't know what was going on.

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He just saw this black male walking out.

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And, but he also saw there was nobody in eyesight in the store.

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And then finally he called out to her and the victim now of the 64 G this armed robbery comes out and she's crying.

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She's like, they just robbed me. He just robbed me.

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And so this guy, I guess you call him a hero.

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It was like the guy that just left.

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And she said, yeah, he just robbed me. He just robbed me.

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He runs outside approximately one or two have gone by and he should, he's looking for him.

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He knows what he looks like. And I don't know why he thought the hell he was going to do.

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Maybe you shouldn't, maybe he should've set out.

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How did he Rob? He was it with a knife.

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Was it with a pistol? You know, because if you're running outside chasing the dude has got a pistol and you don't have one that might be an issue, right?

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This guy might be a three time convicted fellow or two time convicted felon looking at all, life in people had been killed for a lot less.

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Right? And the Sergeant Vicki waxy had killed Baton Rouge, city police department, 30 plus year veteran was working extra duty detail at a Walmart.

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And a deed was still in a $10 DVD.

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And she called him and he would have been a third time felon.

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He disarmed, it, took her weapon and he killed her in line line of duty.

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Rest in peace.

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Sergeant Waxpool I'm telling y'all shit's real.

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Okay. This is real life, real crime. I'm not going to sugar.

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Coat it for you. If, if shit goes down, sugar turns to shit.

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Let that motherfucker go.

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Don't be a hero. John Wayne is dead heroes, right?

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Just let them go. Call 9 1 1.

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Let the cops do what they do.

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Anyway. Say he runs outside and he's looking around.

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I can't find him. Well, meanwhile, right before they had gone in, another guy had pulled up and actually observed the black male go in the store in the white female, standing outside.

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And at the same time, the real estate agent that had been talking to the lady earlier, when he comes in and ask to use the bathroom, I was actually driving over to check on another tenant when she pulled up.

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And then she saw the gal around the stories like, Hey, they just got, they just got robbed.

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She goes in to check on her.

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They call 9 1, 1 boom, where we're on a rollout.

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Right? So what do you do when that, that high traffic area that you know, you're going to have a shit ton of witnesses.

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You're going to have a bunch of people in, you got to work at someone got a lot of ways.

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These armed robberies like this, or harder to work than homicides because of, you know, the, I tell you prisons are full of dumb asses, right?

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And the smart ones are not going to go in and put their hands on the counter.

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We can get DNA, stuff like that, whatever the case in their places.

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Obviously the, these, this couple was walking around, checking things out.

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But what do you do? It's, it's, it's hard on law enforcement.

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First of all, God, and everybody's going to respond.

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It's going out to all uniform patrol guys.

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We're getting called. As detectives, everybody in the world is responding to this area.

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They're gonna try to set up a perimeter.

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It's a big deal.

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We know that they were on foot.

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That's the initial call. And then look, and then when one takes the call, they're like, okay, tell me what happened.

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And you know, the victim says, Hey, this would happen.

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There's that know, put a gun to my head. And he robbed me.

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Can you give me a description?

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Well, guess what? She really couldn't.

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Looking down, you know, having a gun puts your head.

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That's the only thing she was focused on. But later on, she was able to give us the identification of the female who was standing outside.

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She standard Italian clothes, still on the fine and the white.

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She saw that female black female looking around it, threw her for a loop and she's like, oh, something's wrong?

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And that's when she hangs up, boom turns around and the guns in our face.

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So we respond.

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I know Brian, Paul responded detective Smith, Calvin, detective Vic Marler, basically on a call like that.

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Everybody's going to all the detectives are going, but Calvin, I got there first.

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And I think Calvin got there like a couple of minutes before me.

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But when I got there, Calvin comes out and he's like, look, she, you know, she got robbed, et cetera.

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So what do we do? We have a lot, all right, perimeters being set up, they're going to call out an SRT and everything else.

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This is the description that we have thus far.

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Now, what do we do as detectives with first of all, we're roping off the Keens area.

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And I mean, you can't rope off this whole gigantic parking lot.

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It's got a hundred cars in it, right?

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And it's a, it's a lot of businesses, a lot of potential witnesses.

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So we divide up divide and conquer.

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Calvin stayed at Keens.

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I went in and started talking to the people.

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Of course, people were coming up at that time when they see us, they're like, Hey, I saw such, such, such, such, such.

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So we had to divide and conquer and start taking statements.

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Right? And we got some humdingers the, the, our witnesses, every single one of them, including the, the real estate agent said, Hey, look, dude just came in my store, walked in and asked, used the bathroom and told him, where was he?

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But he turned around and came right back out. And I said, well, who was there in your store?

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And she said, well, what happened when he walked past me?

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There were several not age.

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Maybe they were agents, maybe a secretary.

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She said, I don't know, in one male, that we're all that could be seen.

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So he walks back to go to the bathroom.

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What does he do? He looks to the right and sees all these people.

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He's like, fuck that. I'm not robbing these cats right there.

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He was looking for a victim of opportunity.

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He immediately saw that there were too many people for him to handle by himself with one pistol.

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And he turns around the ladies, right?

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He's hunting, he's hunting.

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He's looking he's he's, you know, had it on his fucking mind that he was gonna Rob somebody.

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So remember he leaves then.

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Right? But, so we had all those witnesses in there.

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The lady that owned the fabric store that was talking to the manager in that place.

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Then the lady at the fabric store, she tells the part, she gives the same description, which we BOLO that be able to look out for this, to everybody, right?

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That this description of these two people.

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And she gives a beautiful description, the same thing he walked in.

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But guess what? She drives back to her store.

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She sees them coming down the row, peering into the windows.

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Dudes, literally leaning up against putting his hands up without touching the windows and looking in to see who's in the store, right.

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Gets

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the

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Keens. And our victim is the only one behind the counter.

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And he says, it's time to get it on.

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Right. So we get, we get all these different witness statements and it's rolling on.

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Well, guess what happened as I get to the corner in as the credit union, I think it's key point federal or something like that.

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I'm like, oh fuck. I know they got cameras, right?

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So we go in, I go in and talk to the manager and she's like, you know why I don't have the ability to pull the tape, but we can call our people and get them to come in and play it back for you or whatever.

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I said, look, I'm gonna need that. I'd be, obviously they came from this direction.

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You know, one of your cameras is gonna pick them up.

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Can you please call this person? So y'all, this is all going on.

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Now this started at two o'clock.

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Now it's probably five o'clock or later we've got numerous witnesses, got to get statements from the perimeter set up.

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And it was a big deal. A lot of people were calling in and the public college and the news made it out to it, et cetera.

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We got one tip on something.

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And it just like on a homicide, on a case like this you'll get tips that come in.

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And some of them are bullshit. There was one lady that was like, somebody, I don't remember who went to it.

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But the, she was like, oh, that was my boyfriend robbed that place.

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Not a doubt. And gave his name.

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Well, guess why the submits is locked up somewhere.

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She just said it because she still had a hard one for a boyfriend.

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From the last time they had a fight and they literally, he was locked up in jail and they bad and raised, but that these leads had to be worked down shit.

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It's an armed robbery. I'll tell you something. You get convicted for an armed robbery in the state of Louisiana.

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You're fucked. It's up to nanny nine years.

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And I think the minimum is like 40 because they do guess what you're doing an armed robbery, a legitimate armed robbery.

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You're going to get that 99 years.

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And that means you're going to die in prison.

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So what we do keep working it, collect all of the witness statements and go on.

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Now, you know, that time of the year it gets dark early.

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Right? So I just remember it not being able to find the people, not there were no other stores that had cameras.

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There were some that had cameras, but there weren't any that they had the right view of the parking lot or whatever.

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I mean, we case shit out of it, right?

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We talked to every swinging and Tom Dick and Harry and Sally and the place checked out each individual business.

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Some of them had seen them come to the window where they really couldn't identify other than it was a tall, skinny, black, male, whatever.

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But we're looking for cameras. We're looking for eye witnesses and, you know, waiting on the bank people to get there.

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Well, the bank closes at whatever time, like six or something, but they were waiting there, their branch manager from wherever Kamia and blessed that they were waiting on their it guy to get there.

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And finally, we wrap, wrapping up all the smaller stuff and it's getting late.

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It's dark now, their it guy got there and they were able to pull up the video.

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So calorie our, watch him.

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Here's the problem fucking had the wrong time stamp and date on the video.

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That's not insurmountable.

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Y'all by the history of these armed robberies in these murders, like shouldn't until death do us part Popeye's best camera system in the world, motherfucker one turn knowing, right?

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The same thing.

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When you find time after time and these small businesses, they either the cameras weren't on, or, you know, the, some bitches pointed at the wall, you know, it's just, but this one, this is a bank.

27:48

And w I mean, I told you an armed robber store of the bank in Albany fucking camera form, working shit.

27:55

I thought if I, if I'd have known that I robbed him myself that day, you can go in, put a mask on and get away with it.

28:00

But this bank, at least their shit was working.

28:04

Okay. Camera's showing all that.

28:06

You know, the inside of the lobby, it was, it had a drive through thing or drive around thing, but it also had a lobby, but it was real small by size or in the other store, in the shopping center.

28:16

And it was on the very end and, but great cam footage inside.

28:21

And, but the one camera I was interested in showed the back alleyway behind this long row of businesses, before you get to the end of the King's drive through is an alleyway.

28:36

You could drive a vehicle around there, obviously to go pass the credit union or whatever.

28:41

Well, guess what? We're able to play it back.

28:43

Boom bitches got them walking behind the shopping center, pulling on back doors, but you can only see them for a few seconds, but they were pulling on back doors.

28:58

Well, the movie, they would go try to get fingerprints and DNA and stuff off the door knobs or whatever, but you get them.

29:06

But the video is shitty.

29:07

It's good enough where you can see it's a, it's a tall dude in a hoodie, a black guy in a hoodie.

29:15

And you see it's a little short heavyset.

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I'm

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guessing

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she

29:18

was

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a

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female. I mean, you could, she was so heavyset that I don't know, her breast could have been considered man, boobs, I guess you'd call them whatever.

29:30

But they they're coming from the direction of that realtor company that are coming in.

29:36

They check in doors and they're walking. What they, what did they do?

29:39

They walk around end of the credit union.

29:44

And they come back, walking back, peering in windows, headed toward the ultimate victim, which would have been Keens.

29:51

So it took that even though it was grainy the date and the timestamp was wrong, that we got them to download that.

29:58

And in Calvin, I go and we took it to all the news stations, gave them the clip of the video.

30:03

Hey, put it on the knees.

30:05

Right. Nobody's going home detective wise.

30:08

So we had to take it to the channel two channel nine and 33, all of them, which were located in Baton Rouge.

30:16

We were able to get it on.

30:18

I think that night for like the 10 o'clock news, I mean, they just kind of emerged steel.

30:23

It broke out with it. They showed the video of these two suspects walking for behind the thing.

30:29

If anybody could identify them, please call it in.

30:32

And I'm thinking, you know what?

30:34

We've got a really good shot here. Y'all because that, that video was bad, but it wasn't that bad.

30:38

I mean, the, the, this girl, the female suspect definitely had a certain waddle to her walk.

30:45

If you will. I'm figuring these, these motherfuckers from around here were going to get blown up.

30:50

Right? Use guys off nothing, not one fucking phone call comes in.

31:00

Okay.

31:00

We

31:00

got

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an,

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a

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vehicle

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description. If, if they even came in one vehicle, somebody else could have dropped them off.

31:08

Right. We got a tons of eyewitnesses.

31:09

We got a good victim.

31:12

We've got their ass, but you don't know who they are.

31:16

And where do you start?

31:17

I mean, it truly is a who'd done it, especially when it runs on the media.

31:23

Now y'all 2006.

31:24

I think my space or some shit might have been on Facebook.

31:28

Might've been started, but there was no social media.

31:30

Like it is now where you can just instantly put something out and everybody in the world sees it doesn't work like that.

31:36

You get your news.

31:38

You're getting that shit. And back then it was five o'clock the early news, 6:00 PM.

31:44

And then 10 o'clock was the lightening use was supposed to people never watch that shit anyway, but we ran it and we got Dick, but I mean, it wasn't for lack of work and it worked the shit out of it.

31:54

And at some points you got to ease up on, on the perimeter and send everybody home.

31:58

When you realize, Hey, these, these cats were long gone.

32:01

What do you do?

32:03

I mean, it's a serious crime as could be.

32:06

You just keep it in the media.

32:08

Right. And then you have to think what I did was a start-up thinking started getting in the mindset of the criminal.

32:16

That's why I love the criminal mind.

32:18

It always fascinated me.

32:19

Am I, you know, with the fog?

32:22

You know, what makes somebody tick?

32:25

All right. They didn't, they weren't acting like they were high.

32:27

They weren't acting strong out.

32:30

They weren't acting like dopers looking for the next fix.

32:33

But I'm thinking, why would you pick this spot in Northern Livingston parish and to do a robbery, especially in the Elvis is not a racial thing.

32:45

I'm just telling you the tree that it up net in the Livingston pears.

32:50

I don't know how it is now. Back then, there was almost, I think it was almost all white people.

32:55

And so that the coming in, if you were from there, it's just unheard of.

33:02

Okay. And so they already had attention to him, drawn to him just because it was mostly white people that were there.

33:07

Like I said, I I'm thinking like 99%.

33:09

And then you do this.

33:11

I'm staying. I was trying to figure out why, why did you choose this location?

33:16

You choose a location.

33:17

If I'm going to do it, I'm going to choose a location where it's a quick getaway.

33:21

There's an interstate nearby or several interstates nearby shit like that.

33:26

This wasn't like that. This is fucking highway 16 in Watson.

33:30

And the traffic is a motherfucker that the, I mean, you ain't, you're not doing Dick up there and daylight hours without, you know, 10,000 people watching.

33:40

It was really growing. It's really grown up now.

33:43

I mean, it's four. They even had a Walmart up there that, but still, it was really heavy populated.

33:49

A lot of foot traffic, everybody in the world is going to see you.

33:53

Why would you choose that location?

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I was thinking about like the next day.

35:53

And I might, you know, I, I don't know, move, you know, different things would come in and, and looked at it and we ran it several more times.

36:04

And then we just pretty much put ourselves on call for the weekend.

36:06

And the next week starts, we don't have anything to go on.

36:10

Yeah, we got, we got descriptions.

36:12

We got no possible suspects, no possible way to ID them nothing.

36:19

Unless somebody calls and a tip and guess what?

36:22

Nobody called it a fucking thing.

36:29

Period. What happens Monday comes, guess what?

36:33

I've probably got five or six subpoenas for court, Tuesday, same thing, Wednesday, same thing.

36:39

I'm in court every day on motions to suppress or search warrant returns or whatever.

36:44

It may be from different cases. I'm working. Guess what's still happening.

36:48

Now. I still got blood hitting the ground in different places, rapes going on and working other cases at some point, for lack of a better term, even though it was quick, this bitch point coal and it, but it never left my mind.

37:01

And I just, I didn't believe that they were from there.

37:05

Okay. And, and, but why pigs 16 north and Watson.

37:09

Yeah. In, if you got to Rob someone in a way they were a little bit more, I guess you would say smarter and, and in the robbery and the choice of the victim is same time.

37:21

They were, it was like, to me, they were immature as robbers, right?

37:26

They showed some signs of intelligence on the fact that when they would go in, in, or the male would go in and immediately once he sees there's too many people in the business to handle by himself.

37:37

Right. And he's got a watt look out though, right?

37:40

They, and then they're following, but they didn't know what they want it to hit all.

37:46

They knew they want to hit a lick, but they were smart enough about it where they didn't just run into the first 70 11 and pull a gun and Rob somebody there.

37:57

So that showed me that they were smart enough, but that they were still youngsters in the robbery gang and time marches on, okay.

38:09

The days slipped by other cases have worked in this one, we had nothing and a week goes by in two weeks and shit.

38:25

I think it was March the 29th, which is what it was the first one's tent.

38:32

So 19 days later, I am at my desk in the detective's office.

38:39

Now I had two different areas that I worked out of.

38:42

I had my polygraph room, which is where I was most of the time, even in that we that as the interview room, et cetera.

38:47

But I had the, the general detective office where all the tech to sit and they have their own desk.

38:53

And so you work in the same area and the secretary sits in that area, et cetera.

38:57

And it was around lunchtime and got a call or the secretary, Tina got a call and she said, where was it at?

39:08

And she wrote it down and she hangs up and she said, Hey, she said, there was just an armed robbery in Albany, Louisiana.

39:18

And in Vic's gonna go work.

39:20

It, that lady got robbed at gunpoint.

39:23

So going, you know, cool needing assistance.

39:26

I think somebody else was blue and whites had already been on the scene.

39:30

But what happened was I actually, I didn't know all the details at the time, but the, the mic worked.

39:36

It, this, this elderly lady got robbed.

39:40

Not only at gunpoint, but they put a gun inside our mouth.

39:45

All right.

39:46

And all they got away with was her purse.

39:51

But I didn't know those details at the time later on big came in, it was my bra.

39:58

And he said, let me tell you what happened. He said, this lady was coming back from shopping and she lived on a server, sorry.

40:05

Right. Close to the interstate. And she said that she noticed her car was following her.

40:08

And she lived in, in a, a home.

40:11

You pull in and she didn't have any immediate neighbors.

40:14

And she gets out and she's got some dogs in the yard, they're on chains or whatever.

40:20

And they're barking. And the black male gets out tall skittish.

40:25

She said, this lady actually says, she thought it was two black males in the car, one short fat one in the passenger seat and the tall skinny one who came around to her.

40:35

And he said, Hey, Hey, ma'am, we're from new Orleans within the ninth ward.

40:40

And we lost well in Albany.

40:44

That's only about, it's only about shit, three or four miles from the interstate 55 meets interstate 12.

40:54

Okay. And in 55 runs south and you hang a left and go to new Orleans, whatever.

40:59

It's a high, I mean, it's, it's close enough that that could have been possible.

41:05

Right. But he said, we're from the ninth wars and we're lost.

41:07

And can you tell us how to get back to the interstate?

41:10

And this is a nice sweet lady yell.

41:13

And, and I would end up spending some time with her later.

41:16

And I'll tell you about that in next week's episode.

41:19

But she was like, yeah, okay. She's talking to him.

41:21

She's a country lady, just, just a real sweetheart.

41:25

And they talked for like five or 10 minutes.

41:28

I mean, it was that long and just making a general conversation.

41:32

And then, then Vic said, he pulled, she said, well, you know what?

41:38

I got to get my dogs in the, I began. And she was coming back from shopping or whatever.

41:41

And he's got to get in him.

41:44

He pools fucking pistol, but it's her head and tries to steal her purse.

41:51

And he said, bitch, give me keys and was trying to steal a purse.

41:54

And she resisted. He knocks to the ground and it's on top of her, puts a gun in her mouth.

42:02

Now I'm gonna tell you this. There's no need for all that bullshit, unless you're going to kill somebody.

42:08

And I totally believe it was a progression and evolution.

42:13

I would believe this guy would have blown her brains out.

42:18

And, but he wanted her car keys and he wanted her purse, the passenger, she hears a pass to say, just get the fucking person.

42:26

Let's go, let's get the fucking personal scattered.

42:28

And then she still thinks it's a male.

42:30

Get the parts and let's go in.

42:33

So he ends up yanking the purse off of her and they jumped in the car and they speed away.

42:39

Big goes and takes a statement, you know, the small gray car.

42:43

And he had done a BOLO for it, et cetera.

42:45

And he got the statements from our, I forget what detective went and assisted them on that.

42:50

But I was in the office when he's telling me this.

42:52

And I'm like you said that it was, she said it was two males.

42:57

And he said, yeah, definitely two males, a tall skinny one.

43:01

And then the other one never got out of the car.

43:03

But he said it was a fat date, little short fat dude, some kinky hair.

43:08

And I was like, man, that's just strange.

43:12

Right. You know, I mean, now Albany y'all is the exact opposite.

43:16

There's you can't get any further away from that.

43:19

Where the Keens got robbed in Livingston parish, at least from east to west, you can't get any farther away.

43:28

And

43:28

what

43:28

gave

43:28

Paul's

43:28

or

43:28

threw

43:28

it

43:28

off

43:28

was

43:28

the,

43:28

the

43:28

victim

43:28

was

43:28

adamant

43:28

that

43:28

it

43:28

was

43:28

two

43:28

black

43:28

males

43:28

and

43:28

some

43:28

scenario

43:28

thinking

43:28

about

43:40

it.

43:40

And

43:40

I

43:40

said,

43:40

you

43:40

know

43:40

what,

43:44

Vic? I said, we had a fucking robbery up in Watson.

43:47

He said, nah, it ain't gonna be the same. People's two D's I say, yeah, well what'd she got it wrong?

43:52

You know, eye witnesses are the worst.

43:54

And when you have guns pulled on your eye, the I in that moment, shit.

43:58

I mean, plus the dude never got out of the car, but he said, she said it was a guy, definitely a guy.

44:04

And even, you know, the way that the, the person's hall and thinking, Hmm.

44:11

Yeah, what's the possibilities is now.

44:14

It's been 19 days since our armed robbery with the male and the female black male, black female.

44:21

And she didn't this victim, the elderly lady didn't get a license plate or anything like that.

44:28

Right. But she damn well could identify him as she saw him again, I'm sitting here thinking, what are the chances of that?

44:34

And then I'd walk down to my other office. And I came back up and Tina was on the phone again.

44:40

And she hung up and she said, Hey, I said, what she said just had.

44:46

And I didn't attempt it kidnapping, definitely a carjacking and an armed robbery in the city of Denham Springs.

45:00

I said, what's the description said it was a tall, skinny, black male, about six foot one.

45:13

Am I, ah, fuck it.

45:15

There's no such thing as a total, total quinces.

45:18

Right? We need to roll the fuck out.

45:20

But before we could even leave the office, if I could find somebody to ride with me, then the spring city had called in, in one, somebody had gone to a car wash there and on top of the trash can.

45:35

Cause I guess they were too fucking lazy to hide it or throw or bridge.

45:39

Whatever on top of the trash can, was a purse with a broken strap.

45:45

And the officer that responds it, reclaimed that some good citizen reported it because it had the driver's license and some identification from the sweet little lady and Albany.

46:04

Now I'm almost positive that all three of these are going to be related.

46:13

How do you put it together, York?

46:17

The fuck out of it. That's what you do.

46:19

And sometimes it's better to be lucky than good, but it doesn't stop there.

46:26

Y'all tune in next week for more crimes.

46:33

And what happened on this case?

46:37

And it's a good one.

46:39

So the really at this point, I have nothing definitively to say that that any of them are connected other than geographically on that same day, whether the sweet little lady gets robbing, ended up taking her purse.

46:53

But I can't connect that to Keens.

46:55

It's two males versus a male and female, right?

47:00

Two totally separate ends of the pairs.

47:02

19 days apart, then another carjacking, tempted, carjack.

47:09

I'll tell you what happened. That one real quick.

47:11

They, the black male rose up, this lady puts, puts a gun to her head, puts it in her mouth bitch, scoot over.

47:19

I'm taking your shit and he's going to hold her hostage.

47:23

Right? And he's like, I mean, it's been a progression.

47:26

If, if these are all connected, it's a progression.

47:29

He's getting more and more violent bitch.

47:32

You know what fuck that. I'll tell you the right that next week.

47:34

Cause that's really important. I want you to hear how this violence has escalated in how it worked, the case.

47:42

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47:47

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Today, I'm gonna be starting a new series a case that I worked myself and it has to be a series y'all because there's so many different parts to story, then what you're gonna hear just on this opening episode today. I'm a call it progression. Okay? And let's slash started. Stay tuned for some announcements at the end of the show, real life, real crime stay tuned for some announcements at the end of this show, for real life real crime announcements. To progression. On March the tenth two thousand six, I was working as the detective for the Livingston Parish Sheriff's Office, It was a Friday afternoon. I remember it was cold. It's one of those gray, cold March days. And haven't been working on the day shift. I think my partner was Calvin Ballton, the tech's Calvin Ballton at the time. On Friday afternoon, you're really not trying to get into too much after you do regular court and you know, what have you maybe you go arrest somebody on warrants. Are you working on a case? As long as you're not working blood on the ground or or rape or something like that? You're really not trying to get in too much on a Friday because, you know, you're gonna be out from the weekend. And unless you were the detectives working nights and you had to cover the weekend, but I know I was I was on days and I lived in Watson, Louisiana at the time. And I just remember it being a cold day and my least favorite time in the year is after hunting seasons, two cold fish and just a windy, chilly, blustery day. But I was sitting in my office in the phone rings and and Tina Stafford now, Tina Staff at Pearson. Said y'all there's a home robbery, a sixty four g at the Kings Drive Cleaner in Watson. I'm like, what the fuck? This is round I guess, around two o'clock, a little bit after two o'clock. Well, youll that gel, it happened to be my dry cleaners. Okay? I went there almost every day. Remember I told you we were code and ties and yeah, we had to dress up everyday and detect as Remember I told you we wore coat and ties and, you know, we had to dress up every day and detect us well. Part of that was in the night shift. I think it was just to be dry, ClubAd. so I went there so much, in fact, and it was so close to my house that not only done another people that worked there, I had my own outside locker because a lot a lot of times I'd get up early in the morning before going to work and I'd swing through there and, you know, pick up whatever clothes we're left overhead. I guess, say I had to revolve an account. The Kings was located in the shop and center. think it was a key point or something like that. The name I'll know what it is now in that in I don't know what it is now. That area is so grown up. But the Kings was the last building on like a strip row, but they had a a drive through section. Okay? And and if you were sitting in the drive 3 with the keys with one of your left, you looked to the right and there was another building in a standalone building and that was the I think it was a mortgage company or something. But those are the people who own that property also. So everybody that in there was their tenants. But so we get to call the 64G the armed robbery, and we roll out right. I mean, it's just as serious as you can get other than rape or murder. And so we roll out in force. Now, I'm gonna digress a little bit and tell you what happened that day. Okay? That mortgage building company I was telling you about stated that I shouldn't use things. I guess it wouldn't matter. And this all a matter of public record y'all obviously say it. But I'm not gonna use the names of what I said, it doesn't matter. Then and I'll explain to you why at the end of the episode, what they did to me. The mortgage 1747 of the real estate agents that ran that mortgage company or worked out of that building was talking to one of their tenants in the inside the lobby when a black male walked up, opened the door, he's approximately six foot Had a black hoodie, a sweatshirt, and I think like blue and tennis shoes. And he said, yo, can I use a bathroom? And the real estate agent's like, yeah, it's it's right back there and pointed to where it was. Now at the same time, these two females that had been conversing, I, you know, looked outside and saw there was a black female dressed in whatever Capri Pen answer into some type of sweatshirt, but she was a short, heavy set, black female. And she stayed outside, but it says, she's kind of like looking around in the black male came in and he went straight back to the bathroom, but they said he almost immediately came walk right back past them and walked out the door much too short of a 50, and she stayed outside. But this is just kind of like looking around. And the black male came in and he went straight back to the bathroom, but they said he almost immediately came walk right back past him and walked out the door. Much too short of a time to use a restroom to go in and use the bathroom. Like that was Canva odd. Right? And really didn't think anything else about it. The black male and the black female then proceeded down that road that's offices. There were it was a bunch of different things in that complex y'all. There was Kings was on the end. Then there was like a fabric shop or or a design shop or something. If I remember correctly, then there was I don't know. There was, like, a a restaurant thing in the front of that, and it's, like, a shopping center. Right? The last one was it was a credit union. can't remember the name of it right now. But but it's that long road. And the it's a really busy area. It's a really busy lot of cars in and out, people pulling an hour. So he's just different businesses, etcetera. So the black male and the black female walk away with these two ladies keep talking inside. And remember one of them was tenant. I think she had a fabric shop. And then they end up their their discussion and the lady drives over to she goes outside and gets in vehicle she drives over and parks in front of her store, the fabric store. I think it I think it was. And what when she's driving over, what does she see? She sees the black male and the black female coming from the far end of the shopping center by the credit union in walking her way, but what are they doing? They're stopping as at at each individual store and they're looking into the glass for storefront windows. This Canva set it her off and a youll bit not off. But, I mean, she thought it was strange. Here you are, why don't you just go in? You just came in the mortgage companies? Thing asked. You used the bathroom, but you didn't stay for a second. And now it's been ten or fifteen minutes later, and here you are on the far end. Walking back towards me, looking into the store windows. And she was like, Hmm. You know, and so she gets out and she waited from the pass by, and they walked by looking definitely looking in store one day. And then she gets out and she goes inside her store. Well, around two o'clock, the clerk for Kings, my dry cleaners, was tagging clothes and on her on the phone in the store -- Yeah. -- in the in the fun. The king story, out. When you walk in that I told you that driveway was the driveway of the drive for through was to the right of when you walk that I told you that driveway was drive away the drive throughs to the right of it if you're facing it. When you walk in the counters like immediately there, there's no seeding or whatever that's it's the counter. Clark stands behind the counter. And you got this big ass room in the back, full, all the clothes that are hanging on the you got just big ass room in the back youll all the clothes that are hanging on the racks. Right? I I don't think they necessarily processed all the clothes there and did all the dry cleaners there. I think they picked them up and shipped them some of them other places and brought them back or whatever. But you know, how yes. When you go on dry cleaners and have those racks and spin around and all that shit. Right? So she's behind a counter, and the blackmail comes in, same one, the hoodie, six six foot one skinny, and it says, hang Canva use your your restroom? She said, yeah. Okay. And points towards the back of the And and and points towards the back of the store. So he goes, and she's still tagging clothes and is on the phone. And she looks outside because they have the big glass, when they're right, the king's does, and she sees the black female, the same one. That REALCRIME to you earlier, short, heavy set black female standing outside, Canva looking around to the left of not facing store, she would look over a shoulder to a store when she look back out and she's looking around, almost like she's scanning the parking lot. And at that second, the worker, the king's employee, that is on the phone and she said, you know what? Let me hang up. And it's see stall. You know, this I just let this dude in the back of my store and I don't know anything about him. I had to let him use the bathroom. Right? This lady was a young I mean, I think it's just like twenty one years old, hardworking, going to school, doing all this, and hold down a full time job. Nice to some heart on a cold day. She lets a stranger and use the bathroom. She goes to turn around and boom. As youll interface in immediately starts screaming. Give me a fucking money. Give me a fucking money. Yeah. Give me money. Now if you've ever had a pistol put in your face, what they call youll vision is absolutely true. And the pistol could be the size. It could be a little bit of small 20 two with a little bit small barrel and you're looking down it. It's gonna look like Howard's or Canva. Okay? All you're gonna be focused on is that barrel and it looks huge. Believe me, I've been Believe me. I've I've been there. Alright? They call that tonal vision. But at the same time, this poor girl who's never done any harm to anybody. All she's doing is trying to work and make a living is being screened in the face. Bitch, give me youll money. This fucking Robert, give me your money out, youll your fucking brains out. What do you do? You either gonna fight, flight, or freeze. Thank god. She chose to freeze up. And then then he continues to give her giving her the loud verbal commands. Give me a fucking money. Give me a fucking money. And she did. She opened the register. She gave him, like, seventy five bucks, I think it was. And he grabbed her, and he said, bitch. And holding the gun in her head. He said, I want more money. And she said, well, there's a safe in the back of the And she said, well, there's a safe in the back of the store. And so he forcefully takes her back there gun to the head. Gets her to the safe, and she's able to take out, like, seventy five more bucks or there's a small amount of money out. Most things were done on credit cards, but she gave them everything. And she should have. You know, you find yourself in a situation, do whatever the hell they tell you to do because if you put up any kind of resistance, then you yeah, dead people can't testify. Right? If you do most robbers, don't have a true intention of killing at least when they start out. Don't have a true intention to kill. So comply, and she complied, and then what happened was ding ding the door goes off to the Kings, which means mice just came in the store. And he told her he said, bitch, you stay here. Oh, I'm a kill you. And and and he goes, and he and he basically runs out of the store in a in a hurry. And the guy that had just walked in the store was a customer. For kings. Right? And he didn't know what was going on. He just saw this blackmail walking out, and but he also saw there was nobody in eyesight in the store, and then youll, call it out to her. And the victim now of the sixty four g, the song, Robbie, comes out and she's crying. She says, hey. Just ride me. He just robbed Just ride me. And so this guy, I guess, you can call him a hero. And and and it's like, the guy who just left and she said, yeah, he just robbed me. He just robbed me. He runs outside in approximate minutes you've gone by and he shit he's looking for me. He knows what he looks like, and and I don't know what he thought the hell he was gonna do. Maybe he should've maybe he should've said, Did he Robbie? Was it with a knife? Was it with a pistol? Yeah. Even because if you're running outside, Chase and David's got a pistol and you don't have 1747, that might be an issue. Right? This guy might be a three time convicted Feals or two time convicted fella and looking at life in youll been killed for a lot less. Right? Sergeant Vicky Waxy had killed Baton Rouge city police department in thirty's plus year veteran was working extra duty detail out of Walmart, and a dude was still in a ten dollar DVD. And she called him and he would have been a third time, Feals He disarmed it to to her weapon and and he killed her lie to lie to him. Rest in peace, sergeant Waxhaw, I'm telling y'all, shit's real. Okay. This is real life, real is real life for crime. I'm not gonna sugarcoat it for you. If if shit goes down. Shook at times of shit. Let that motherfucker go. Don't be a hero. John Wayne is dead heroes. Right? Just let him go. Call 1747, 1. Let the cops do what they let the cops do what they did. Anyway, I say he runs outside and he's looking around and he can't find him. Meanwhile, right before they had gone in. Another guy had pulled up and actually observed the blackmail go in, the store, in the white female standing outside. And at the same time, the the real estate agent that had been talking to the lady earlier when he comes in and asked to use the bathroom and was actually driving over to check on another tenant. When she pulled up and then she saw the guy run out of the store. He's like, hey, they just got they just got robbed. She goes in a check on her. They're calling out one one. Boom. We're we're on a youll out. Right? So what do you do? On that that high traffic of an area that youll know you're gonna have a shit ton of witnesses, you're gonna have a bunch of youll, and you gotta work it. Someone in a lot of ways, these armed robberies like this are harder to work than homocides because of, you know, the I tell you presidents are full of dumb asses. Right? And the smart ones are not gonna go in and put their hands on the counter where we can get DNA and stuff like that, whatever the case in their places. Obviously, these this couple was walking around, checking things out. But what do you do? It's it's it's hard on law enforcement. First of all, God, and everybody's gonna respond. It's going out. To all uniform patrol guys. We're getting called as detectives. Everybody in the world is responding to this area. They're gonna try to set up a perimeter. It's a big deal. We know they they were on foot. That's the initial call. Now look now when one Talkspace they're like, okay. Tell me what happened. And, you know, the the victim says, hey, this is what happened. This that, you know, put a gun in my head and he robbed me. Can you give me a description? Well, guess what? She really couldn't. She couldn't because know why television. 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But later on, she was able to give us the identification of the female who was standing But later on, she was able to give us the identification of the female who was standing outside, while she's standing her tagging clothes, still on the phone, and this was the way she saw that female, like, female looking around, it threw her for a loop and she's like, something's wrong, and that's when she hangs up and boom, turns around the guns in her face. So we'll respond I know Ryan Paul responded to detective Smith, Calvin, detective Vic Marr, or basically, on a call like that, everybody's going on. All the going. But Calvin and I got there first, and I think Calvin got there, like, a couple minutes before me. But when I got there, Calvin comes out, he's like, look, she, you know, she got robbed, etcetera. So what do we do? We huddle up. Alright. Premer's being set up. They're gonna call out an SRT and everything else. This is a description that we have thus far. Now, what do we do is detect this. But first of all, we're roping off the the Feals area. I mean, you can't rope off this whole gigantic parking lot. It's got a hundred cars in it, got a hundred cars in Right? And it's a it's a lot of businesses and a lot of potential witnesses. So we divide up, divide and conquer Calvin stayed at keynes. I went and and started talking to the people. Of course, people were coming up at that time when they see us. They're like, hey, I saw such, such, such. So we had to divide and conquer and start taking so we had divide and conquer and start taking statements. Right? And we got some home dinners. The the eyewitnesses every single one of them, including the the real estate agent said, look, dude just came in my store, walked in, And as she used to bathroom, tell them where it was. Everybody turned around and came right back out. And I said, well, who was there in your store? And she said, well, what happened when you walked past me? There were several not age maybe there were agents, maybe secretary said I don't know, in one mail that were all that Canva be seen with so he walks back to get to the bathroom. What does he do? He looks to the right and sees all these looks the right. He's always people. He's like, fuck that. I'm not robbing. He's cat Right? They he was looking for a victim of opportunity. He immediately saw that there were too many people for him to handle by himself with with one pill stole he turns around the legs. Right? He's hunting. He's hunting. He's looking. He's he's, you know, had it on his fucking mind that he was gonna rob somebody. So remember, he leaves then. Right? So we got all those witnesses in there the lady that own, the fabric store that's talking to the the manager in that place. Then the lady at the fabric store, she tells apart. She gives the same description. Which we below that, be able to look out for this to everybody. Right? This description of these two people. And she gives beautiful description. Same thing he walked in. But guess but the guess what? She drives back to her store, she sees them coming down the road, peering into the windows and dudes literally leaning it up against putting his hands up without touching windows and looking in to see who's in the store. Right? He gets the keys and her victim is the only one behind the counter. And he says, it's it's time to get it on. Right? So we get we get all these different witness statements and it's rolling on, well, guess what happened. I get to the corner in as the credit youll, I think it's a key point federal or something like that. I'm like, oh, fuck. I know they got cameras. Right? So go in I go in and talk to the manager and she's like, you know what? I don't have the ability to pull the tape, but we can call our people and get them to come in and and, you know, play it back for youll, I said, look, I'm gonna need that. I'd be obviously, they've came from this direction, you know, one of your cameras is gonna pick them up. Can you please call this person? So y'all this is all going on. Now this started at two now. This started at two o'clock. Now it's probably five o'clock or later. We've got numerous eyewitnesses. We gotta get statements from the perimeter set up. And it was a big deal. A lot of people were calling in and the public calling in and used, made it out to it, etcetera. But we got one tip, one on something, and and and it Just like on a homicide, on a case like this, you'll get tips that come in and some of them bullshit. There was one lady that was, like, somebody I don't remember who went to it, but these she was like, oh, that was my boyfriend and robbed that place. Darned a darned and gave his name against what I the summit is locked up somewhere. She just said it because she, you know, still had a hard one for her boyfriend. From the last time they had fight. I mean, literally, he was locked up in jail in these batteries, but that these leads had to be worked down. Shit, this is an old robbery. But tell you something, you get it. Convicted for an armed robbery in the state of Louisiana. You're fucked. It's up to ninety nine Feals, and then I think the minimum's like forty. But if you do guess what? You're doing armed robbery, a legitimate armed robbery, you're gonna get that ninety ninety years. And that means you're gonna die prison. what we do, keep working it, collect all of the witness statements, and go on now. You know, that time of the year, it gets dark early. Right? So I just remember it not being able to find the youll. Not there were no other stores that had cameras. Well, they there were some that had Canva, but there weren't any of that that had the right view of the parking lot or what I mean, with cases shit out of it. Right? We talked to every swing and Tom, Dick and Harry and Sally in the place, checked out each individual business, some of them had seen them come to the window, but they really couldn't identify other than it was, you know, tall skinny bike male. Whatever. But we're looking for cameras. We're looking for eyewitnesses and, you know, waiting on the bank people to get there. Well, the bank closes at whatever time, like, six or something, but they were waiting their their branch manager from wherever came in. Unless they were waiting on their IT guy to get there. And finally, we're wrapping up all the smaller stuff and it's getting laid at the start now. Their IT guy got there and they were able to pull up the video. So Calvin and I'll watch him, but here's the problem. Fucking had the wrong time stamp and date on the video. That's not insurmountable y'all. By the history of these armed robberies and these murders like shouldn't until death to us part, Popeyes. Best camera system in the world. Motherfucker wasn't turned on. Right? The it's the same thing. When you find time after time and these small businesses, they either the cameras weren't on, or, you know, the, some bitches pointed at the wall, you know, it's just, but this one, this is a youll find time after time in these small businesses. They either the cameras weren't on or, you know, the sun bitches pointed at the wall. You know, it's just but this one this is a bank. And and what I mean, I told you know, Robert store of the bank and all, but if I can't afford it working. So I tell you, if I if I don't know that, I rob them myself that day, you can go in put a mask on and get away with it. But this bank, at least their shit was working. Okay? Camera's showing all of it, you know, the inside of the lobby. It was had a drive thru thing or a drive around thing, but it also had a lobby. But it was a real small bank, you know, sizing in the other stores in the shopping center. And it's on the very end. And but great camera footage inside and but the one camera I was interested in showed the back alleyway. Behind this long row of businesses before you get to the end of the Kings Drive through. Is an alleyway. You could drive a vehicle around there, obviously, to to go past the credit union and whatever. Well, guess what? We're able to play it back bone bitches, got them walking behind the shopping center, pulling on back doors. I but you only see them for a few seconds, but they were pulling on back doors. Well, the movie they would go try to get finger prints and and DNA and stuff off the door knobs or whatever. But you get them, but the video is shitty. It's good enough where you can see it. It's a it's a tall dude in a hoodie by guy in a hoodie, and you see it's a little short, heavy set. I'm I'm guessing she was 50. I mean, you could she was so heavy set that I don't know. Our breasts could have been considered man boobs, I guess, you're going home, whatever. But they they're coming from the direction of that realtor company. They're coming, and they're checking doors, and they're walking. What did they what did they do? They walk around the end of the credit union, and they come back, walking back, appearing in windows, headed toward the ultimate victim, which would've been keynes. So we took that even though it was grainy. The the date, the time stamp was wrong. But we got them to download that, and then Calvin and I go, and we took it to all the news stations gave them the clip of the video, hey, put it on the news. Right? Nobody's going home, detective wise. So We had to take it to the channel two, channel nine, and thirty three, all of them, which were located in Baton Rouge. We were able to get it on I think that night for, like, the ten o'clock news, I mean, it's kind of a merge deal. They broke out with it. They showed the video of these two suspects walking. For behind the thing if anybody could identify them. Please call it again. And I'm thinking, you know what? We got a really good shot here y'all because the video was bad, but it wasn't that bad. I mean, the the this girl, the female suspect, definitely had a certain waddle to her walk, if you will, I'm figuring these these my focus for around here, we're gonna get blown up. Right? News goes off. Nothing. That one fucking phone call comes in. Okay? We got in a vehicle description if if they even came in a vehicle. Somebody else could've dropped them off. Right? We got tons of eyewitnesses. We got AAA good victim. We've got their ass, but you don't know who they are. And where do you start? I mean, it truly is a who done it, especially when it runs on the media. Now y'all two thousand six, I think Talkspace or some shit might have been now. Facebook might have been started, but there was no social media like it is now where you can just instantly put something out and everybody in the world sees that it doesn't work like that. You get your knees, you're getting that shit. Back then, youll was at five o'clock, the hour of the news, six o'clock PM, and then ten o'clock was late news, which most people never watch this shit anyway. But we ran it and we got dick. But, I mean, it wasn't for lack of work, and it worked the shit out of it. And at some points you got to ease up on, on the perimeter and send everybody at some point, you gotta ease up on on the perimeter and send everybody home when you realize, hey, these these cats went long going what do you do? I mean, as serious as it could be. Just keep it in the media. Right? And but then you have to think. What I did was I started thinking, started getting the mindset of the criminal. That's why I love the criminal man. It always fascinated me. I'm like, you know what the fuck? know, what makes somebody tick? right. They didn't, they weren't acting like they were didn't they weren't acting like they were high. They weren't acting strung out. There were acting like dopers looking for the next fix, but I'm thinking, why would you pick this spine? In Northern Livingston Parish to do a robbery, especially in the office is not a racial thing. I'm just telling you the truth that it upped that in the of Livingston Parish. I don't know how it is now. But back then, there was almost think it was almost all white youll. And so that the coming in, if you were from there, it's just unheard of. Okay? And so they already had attention to them, drawn to them just because it was mostly white people that were there, like, I'm I said I'm thinking, like, ninety nine percent. In, but then you do this. I'm just staying. I was trying to figure out why, why did you choose this I'm trying to figure out why. Why did you choose this location? You choose a You choose location if I'm gonna do it, I'm a choose location where it's a quick getaway, there's an interstate nearby, or several interstate nearby, shit like that. This wasn't like that. This is fucking highway sixteen in Watson, and the traffic is a motherfucker. That'd be I mean, you you ain't you're not doing dick up there in daylight hours without, you know, ten thousand people watching you. It's really growing. It's really growing up now. I mean, it's for they even had Walmart up up there. That but still, it was really heavy youll, a lot of foot traffic. Everybody in the world is gonna see you. Why would you choose that location? The world is racing to get back to normal and start meeting up in person world is racing to get back to normal and start meeting up in person again. But after a year, we've all had getting back to feeling after year we've all had and getting back to 50 normal takes time. 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Monday comes. Guess what? I probably got five or six subpoenas for court Tuesday. Same thing. Wednesday. Same thing. thing. I'm in court every day on motions to suppress or search warrant returns or in court every day on motions to suppress or search for more returns or whatever. It may be from different case, some work and guess what's still happening. Now, Now. I still got blood hitting the ground in different places, rapes going on and working other cases at some point, for lack of a better term, even though it was quick, this bitch point coal and it, but it never left my still got blood hitting the ground in different places, rakes going on, working other cases. At some point, for lack of a better term, even though it was quick, there's pitchfork cold, but it never left on my end. And I just I didn't believe that they were from there. Okay? And and but why I picked sixteen North in Watson? You know? And if you're gonna rob someone in a way, they were a little bit more, I guess, she would say, smarter in in in the robbery and the and the choice of the victim at same time. They were it was like to me they were immature as Robert. Right? They show some signs of intelligence on the fact that when they would go in and of the mail would go in and immediately 1747 he sees there's too many people in the business to Canva by himself. Right? And he's got a lot a look out there. Right? And then they're following, but they didn't know what they wanted to hit. All they knew is they wanted to hit a lick. But they were smart enough about it where they just were brought into the first seven eleven and and youll a gun and rob somebody. They said showed me that they were smart enough, but that they were still youngsters in the robbery game. And time marches on. Okay? okay. The days slipped by other cases have worked in this one, we had nothing and a week goes by in two weeks and days slipped by, other cases have worked, and This we had nothing. And a week goes by, in two weeks. And Shit. I think it was March the twenty ninth, which is what? That and it was the first one was tenants. So nineteen days later, I am at my desk in the the Texas office. Now I had two different areas that I worked out of. I have my polygraph room, which swire I lost most of the time, even and that we use that as the interview room, etcetera. But I had the the general detective office. Where all the detectives sit and they have their own desks and so you work in the same area and the secretary sits in that area, etcetera. And it was around lunchtime. And got a call or the secretary Tina got a call, and and she said, where was it at? And then she wrote it down, and then she hangs up. And she said, hey, she said there was just an armed robbery, an Albany, Louisiana, and and Vic's gonna go work it. That a lady got robbed at gunpoint. And so going, you know, cool. There's there's any assistance. think somebody else's blue and white had already been on the scene. But what happened was I actually I didn't know all the details of the time, but the the vic worked at this this elderly lady got robbed, not only gunpoint, but they put a gun inside her mouth. mouth. All And all they got away with was her purse. But I didn't know that as details at the time later when a bit came in. It was my brother. And he said, let me see what happened. He said, this lady was coming back from shopping, and she lived on the service, sorry, right close to the interstate. interstate. And she said that she noticed her car was following said that she knows her car was following her and she lived in in a home home. You pull in and she didn't have any immediate pull in and she didn't have any immediate neighbors. And neighbors. And she gets out and she's got some dogs in the yard, they're on chains or she gets out and she's got some dogs in the yard. They're on chains or whatever, and they're barking and the black male gets out. Tall excuse me. She's this lady actually said she she thought it was two bike Feals in the car, one short fat one in the passenger seat. In the tallest skinny one who came around to her and said, hey, hey, ma'am. We're from New Orleans, we're from the ninth ward, and we lost. Well, in Albany, that's only about it's only about shit. Three or four miles from the interstate fifty five meets interstate twelve. Okay? And and fifty five runs south and you hang youll left and get a new 1747. Whatever. It's a high I mean, it's a it's close enough that that could have been possible. Right? But he said we're from the ninth wars and we're lost. And can you tell us how to get back to the interstate? And this is a nice sweet lady. Oh, and and I youll end up spending some time with her later. And then I'll tell you about that in next week's episode. But she was like, yeah. Okay. And she's talking to him. She's a country lady. Just just a real sweetheart. And sweetheart. And they talked for like five or 10 they talk for, like, five or ten minutes. I mean, it was that long. And and mean, just making a general conversation. And then then Bick said, he pulled she said, well, you know what? I gotta get my dogs in. Yeah. I began in. She was coming back for a shopper and whatever. whatever. And he's got to get in gotta get in and he pulls fucking pistol puts it to her head and tries to seal her purse. And he said, bitch, give me keys, and he was trying to seal a purse. And then she resisted. resisted. He knocks to the ground and it's on top of her, puts a gun in her He knocks to the ground. And it's on top of her, puts the gunner mouth. Now I'm gonna tell you this. That's in the need for all that bullshit unless you're gonna kill somebody. And I totally believe it was a progression and evolution. evolution. I would believe this guy would have blown her brains I would believe this guy were were blowing her brains out and but he 1747 car keys and he won her purse. The passenger, she hears a pass. She said, just get the fucking person. Let's go. Just get the fucking person. Let's go. And then she still thinks it's a male. male. Get the parts and let's go the purse and let's go and say he ends up yanking the purse off of her and they jump in the car and they speed away. Bit goes and takes a statement, you know, the small gray car, and he had done a Buffalo Ford, etcetera. And he got the statements from her. I forget what detective went assisted him on that, but I was in the office when he's telling me this. I'm like, you said that it was she said it was two Feals. And she and he said, yeah. Definitely two Feals. A tall skinny woman, and and then the other one never got out of the car. He said it was a fat dude, a little the short fat dude, some kinky hair. And I was like, man, that's just strange. Right? You Right. You know, I mean, now Albany y'all is the exact I mean, now all but then y'all is on the exact opposite in. You opposite. There's you can't get any further away from you can't get any further away from that where the Kings got robbed in Livingston Parish. At least from east to west. You can't get any further away. And what gave Feals or threw it off was the the victim was adamant that it it was two black Feals. And so I'm sitting here thinking about it. And it. And I said, you know what, said, you know what? Vic, Vic? I said, we had a fucking robbery up in we had a fucking robbery up in Watson. He's a nine. He's gonna be the same people's two d's. I said, yep. Boy, boy, she got it wrong. wrong? You know, eye witnesses are the eyewitnesses are are the worst. And when you have guns pulled on your eye, I mean, in a moment shippable, I mean, plus the the dude never got out of the car. But he said I she said it was a guy, definitely a guy. guy. And even, you know, the way that the, the person's hall and thinking, he didn't, you know, the way that the the person's talk. I'm thinking, yeah. Yeah. And what's the possibilities? It's now now. It's been 19 days since our armed robbery with the male and the female black male, black been nineteen days. Since our armed robbery with with the male and the 50, black male, black 50, and she didn't this victim, the elderly lady didn't get a license plate or anything like that. Right? But she's damn well identify him, and she saw him again. I'm sitting there thinking what what is the chance of that, and I walked down to my other office, and I came back up. And Tina was on the phone again, and she hung up and said, she said, hey. Yes. I'm what? She said, just had. And I didn't attempt to kidnapping. Definitely, a car jacket and an armed robbery in the city. Adidiam Springs. I said, what's subscription? So it was a tall, skinny, black male, about six foot one. one. Am I, ah, fuck like, damn, fuck it. There's no such thing as a total total question. Right? We need to roll the fuck out. At it. But before we could even leave the office, before I could find somebody to ride with me, dinner in Spring City had called in. And one of somebody going to a car wash there and on top of the trash Canva, because I guess, over two fucking lazy to you know, hiding her throw over a bridge, whatever. On top of the trash can was a purse, with a broken strap. And the officer that response, it we that some good citizen reported it because it had the driver's license and some identification from the sweet little lady and all of me. Now, I'm almost positive that all three of these are gonna be related. How do you put it together? You work to fuck out of it. That's what you do. And sometimes, it's better to be lucky, then good. But it doesn't stop there youll. in next week for more crimes and what happened on this case and this, again, when So really at this point, have nothing definitively to say that that any of them are connected. Other than geographically on that same day, 1747 the sweet little lady gets robbed and they've taken her purse. But I can't connect that to keynes. It's two Feals. Versus a male and female. Right? Two totally separate ends of the pairs, nineteen days apart, then another car jacking, attempted car jacking. I have to tell you what happened that one real quick. They the night mail rose up with a lady, puts puts the gun in her head, puts it in her mouth, bitch, scoot over. over. I'm taking your shit and he's going to hold her I'm taking your shit, and and he's gonna hold her hostage right and he's like I mean, it's it's been a progression. 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