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2:28

We're gonna start today off the way we start

2:30

every episode off by giving you updates

2:32

on some of the stories we have been tracking closely.

2:35

And none more closely than the

2:37

continuing story as it evolves

2:39

of the Idaho murders. Many

2:42

of you probably spent your Friday night watching

2:45

either date line or twenty twenty

2:47

give their spin on these stories

2:49

and and go for the big ratings

2:51

on on the Hot Story, I

2:54

was most struck in

2:57

in the Dateline episode by

3:01

them turning to an expert, a

3:04

true crime expert by the name

3:06

of John Mathias, who

3:08

is a forensic psychologist and

3:10

host of the hidden true

3:12

crime podcast, which

3:14

in my estimation, my

3:17

completely neutral unbiased

3:19

explanation doesn't hold

3:21

a candle to the

3:23

real life real crime true

3:26

crime podcast. And I'm just wondering what

3:28

the heck is going on over

3:30

a date line, Woody, where

3:32

they would call this nervous.

3:37

Maybe he was available because we had

3:39

live shows Friday night. Oh, thank you. Oh, there

3:41

you go. Would he unavailable? Available.

3:43

Unavailable. So although

3:46

we don't really know jama thighs, so

3:48

we'll resist referring

3:51

to him as a quack or a

3:53

hack, but I wonder

3:55

just how many cold cases he's

3:57

solved. Yeah. While my

4:00

friend over here continues

4:03

to solve the crimes others could not.

4:06

But to

4:08

be fair, This

4:10

guy did a pretty nice job summarizing

4:14

what he thought the motivations of

4:17

of co burger were in the

4:19

crime and what

4:21

he said, I think, COBerg,

4:24

COBerg, is

4:26

someone who had a lot of fantasies of

4:28

revenge, a lot of violent

4:31

and aggressive impulses over the

4:33

years that have been weighing heavily

4:35

on him and created a lot of

4:37

anxiety and stress.

4:38

Yeah. Well, I could tell you, like I said

4:41

previously, I will be

4:43

very shocked if they don't find more bodies

4:45

on the sky. I don't know.

4:47

You don't just start out killing four

4:50

No

4:50

way. And I think that may

4:53

that seems to be the consensus for

4:55

many, many, many, many x spurts

4:58

is that, you know, it's no secret, co burger

5:00

was overweight in

5:02

high school and lost a

5:04

bunch of weight and they think that might have contributed

5:07

to his aragon to his Facebook for

5:08

women, and he was picked on by

5:11

a certain group of girls in high school before,

5:13

and he started working out to try to become

5:15

a Army Ranger, which

5:17

he'd failed, which I'd said that

5:19

before. He was gonna be ex military

5:22

or try to be a

5:24

police officer and couldn't make it this

5:26

four is the rest for when you knew who it

5:28

was, and it all fits into the

5:30

profile. Right. But it he's

5:32

got something else

5:34

on them whether it's an attempted

5:37

whatever. I don't know. Just

5:39

wait and see what they have and then

5:41

what what comes out.

5:42

Well, they also talked to a

5:44

retired FBI agent

5:47

and university professor by the name

5:49

of Greg Rogers. Who

5:52

told them in an interview that

5:55

the co burger intentionally chose

5:57

a combat knife to

5:59

instill fear in the victims.

6:02

I

6:03

think that's probably incorrect. The

6:06

I think he chose that knife because

6:08

he knew when you're

6:10

stabbing that combat knife will

6:12

help him not get injured. It

6:14

sounded like he's got a a butter knife out

6:16

of the kitchen. He's gonna or steak knife, he's

6:19

gonna cut his hand on when you're doing the force and

6:21

your hand slides down. The k bar

6:23

has the the hand guard.

6:25

It's made for killing. It's made so you

6:27

don't get

6:27

injured. That's right.

6:29

Dateline. So next

6:31

time around, if you

6:33

reach out to Woody Overton, you'll get an

6:35

accurate assessment of why the

6:38

particular murder weapon was chosen. Rogers

6:41

went on to say that he

6:43

believed co burger became obsessed

6:45

with one of these

6:47

victims. And that's a that that's a probability.

6:50

I mean, I I don't think this is just what all

6:52

of them. I think he went

6:55

in and killed who a

6:57

who he had to kill till he got to the right

6:59

victim. Okay.

7:02

Fair, Ken? I would agree with

7:04

that. They

7:06

spent a lot of the episode talking to

7:08

family members, classmates,

7:13

one of the pieces I found most

7:16

interesting from what they did was

7:19

talking to two people who

7:21

had been in a class where

7:23

co burger was the TA, the teaching

7:25

assistant, and one of them

7:27

commented about what

7:29

a jerk co burger was in

7:31

terms of grading papers that

7:34

he was particularly harsh on the

7:36

students giving very low grades that he was

7:38

the kind of TA that was unapproachable

7:40

and nobody after class would walk up to this

7:42

guy to ask him questions. That says his

7:44

power position. Since power play even

7:46

then. Well, he couldn't become a cop,

7:49

couldn't do the military, so he

7:52

whatever aspect he can get,

7:54

to power triple and other people being

7:56

a TA, being a dickhead

7:58

TA. That's just fits

8:00

in with the the

8:03

profile on this cat. Yeah.

8:06

It was very important for him to show

8:08

people he was smarter than

8:10

they were. Right. And then he had the

8:12

power to, you know, in college.

8:14

If you're at TA, you have the power to take

8:16

away points. And really

8:18

affect someone's graduation

8:21

just based off of your

8:23

opinion of what they're doing.

8:25

One of one of his

8:27

students said

8:30

that his behavior changed dramatically.

8:33

In mid November, which

8:36

would tie to the crimes,

8:38

obviously, and that he

8:40

all of a sudden became a

8:43

lot more reasonable and

8:46

started giving out good grades to

8:48

people on their papers following that

8:49

date. Any assessment of that. If

8:52

he didn't, you know, I'm just thinking about it.

8:54

If he didn't have other

8:57

bodies on him, he he certainly

8:59

had the fantasy, but the thing

9:01

being is, then

9:05

he he had a stressor. There's something that made

9:07

him And finally, break through the

9:09

fantasy part and do the kilns. So to

9:11

be interested and see what they have, they

9:13

have a whole hell of a lot more than what we

9:15

know. And Beep

9:17

a deadline and get it right next

9:19

time. Give us a call. They they

9:21

also spoke to another former

9:24

FBI investigator who brought

9:26

up the idea of

9:28

co worker having what's known

9:30

as an in cell complex.

9:33

Which is the term incels and abbreviation

9:36

of involuntary celibate.

9:38

It's generally used to refer to

9:40

men's struggle to establish romantic

9:43

or

9:43

sexual. We did leave. Well,

9:46

I mean, it's not funny to get

9:48

this guy as an asshole, but I I

9:50

hate

9:51

I wouldn't disagree with that. I

9:52

can't believe they have a term for

9:54

that. A term for being a

9:57

little bitch. And voluntarily, Sullivan,

10:00

Just means yeah. You

10:02

can't get away. And you

10:04

want

10:04

to, but you can't. It's it's not

10:06

like he he can't get an erection.

10:09

He just can't get away. We don't know that either.

10:11

Yeah. He he didn't have

10:13

any game.

10:14

Wow. Incel. It

10:17

goes back to it goes back to the Tinder

10:19

date, I guess. Right? It goes with

10:21

callous hands as well. Yeah.

10:25

Incel. Unfortunately, it looks like

10:27

we're not gonna hear a lot

10:29

about this

10:31

case for quite a while here

10:34

as co burger waved

10:36

his right to the expedited

10:39

process and is not due in court

10:41

again until -- I think June. -- June.

10:43

Yeah. So we're gonna have to

10:45

find some time to to fill your

10:47

evenings, Jim. You're not gonna be able to

10:49

to trace his

10:51

his steps any longer, but we

10:53

will follow it as further developments

10:55

come and once again, date line next

10:57

time around, you'll have an opportunity

10:59

to bring in a real expert and and

11:01

get some real insight. Right.

11:04

The second story we 18th update

11:06

is the story of our

11:08

six year old shooter in

11:11

Norfolk, Virginia. If you remember,

11:13

This is a first grade student who

11:16

shot his teacher. The

11:18

good news is she

11:20

is going to survive. Her condition is

11:22

now Stable. They have actually

11:24

released her name, which

11:26

we'll give to you in a

11:28

minute here. But but some

11:30

interesting things have come out

11:33

in the days since the shooting

11:35

happened. Apparently, the school

11:37

was alerted school

11:39

administrators were alerted to the

11:41

probability that this

11:43

particular student was

11:45

bringing a weapon to

11:46

school. That's a problem.

11:49

Yeah. Okay.

11:50

Maybe they believe, like, everybody else in the world

11:53

that a six year old can't get them firearm

11:56

and bring it to

11:56

school. But if they were alerted

11:59

that they

11:59

were alerted, he actually had

12:01

the firearm. School. Someone at school was

12:03

told this kid has a firearm and he didn't

12:05

follow-up on

12:06

it. Yeah. Well,

12:07

according to that superintendent

12:10

George Parker that we we

12:12

mentioned last week,

12:13

at least one administrator was

12:15

notified of possible weapon,

12:18

lawsuit. That and

12:21

the student the student's

12:24

backpack was reviewed

12:26

when they got to school. So

12:28

they searched backpack of

12:30

the student and did

12:32

not find a weapon

12:34

somehow. Then they didn't search it good enough

12:36

because had a weapon and that person

12:38

needs to be fired in

12:40

everybody that knew that

12:42

there was a possibility that he had a

12:45

weapon and supposedly searched his

12:47

backpack and didn't find it needs to be

12:48

fired. Yeah. I mean, I don't because how do you overlook

12:51

a gun?

12:51

Yeah. They How do

12:53

you Well, look at your head's back. The I

12:55

mean, this might be ACYA

12:58

on their part covering their ass. I

13:01

was saying they even searched the

13:02

backpack. I don't believe that. I mean,

13:04

what was he got in an ankle holster?

13:06

And you missed it? I mean, come off.

13:08

Well, a spokesperson for

13:11

Newport News public school district,

13:13

Michelle Price, told Fox News,

13:15

in an emailed statement that the

13:17

boy's backpack had been searched

13:19

after it was reported the student might have a

13:21

weapon, but that no weapon was found through

13:23

the doctor was. So it

13:25

was not So we wanna see the video.

13:27

We wanna see the video then

13:29

searching that

13:29

backpack. This guy had a Johnny dangerously

13:32

in his backpack. And they

13:34

missed it. I mean, you don't miss

13:36

a gun in a six year old

13:37

bat. You pull everything out

13:39

and then you hold it and a gun

13:41

has weight to it. I wanna

13:43

see the video of that backpack being searched.

13:46

Yeah. I bet you they don't have it. You know, I

13:48

guess it doesn't

13:48

exist. Yeah. This gun is like

13:51

the the Biden secret documents. No

13:53

one knows how it got there because it's

13:55

details about how they learned about the

13:57

weapon. So who called in the tip or

13:59

where it came from and why it wasn't found

14:01

before the shooting were not

14:03

immediately

14:03

available. And whoever called us in,

14:06

I'm if if if they're an adult,

14:08

why the fuck do they they grab the weapon

14:10

off of them? Or maybe

14:12

if it's another student saw it and

14:14

and whatever. I don't get it. The whole

14:16

thing baffles the shit out of me.

14:19

Well,

14:19

our thoughts go out to the teacher, Abby

14:22

Werner -- Absolutely. -- who was just a

14:24

twenty excuse

14:25

me, twenty five year old teacher who was

14:27

shot. There

14:30

was no warning or struggle before

14:32

the boy aim the gun

14:34

at Zwarner. So the

14:37

the rumors of a confrontation

14:40

must have occurred the day before

14:42

or sometime before. And so

14:45

he came to school with

14:47

the specific idea

14:50

of going right at her

14:52

when he when he got his

14:54

chance. The police chief Steve Drew described

14:56

the shooting as intentional.

14:58

The boy is being held at a medical

15:00

facility following an

15:02

emergency custody order.

15:04

The judge will determine what is

15:06

next. The six year old used

15:08

his mom's gun which was

15:10

purchased legally. So

15:12

the gun was licensed by

15:14

the mother. It remains unclear

15:17

how he accessed the

15:19

weapon. But under Virginia

15:21

law, you

15:24

are prohibited from leaving a

15:26

loaded gun where it is accessible to

15:28

a child under fourteen. That's

15:30

a misdemeanor, but it

15:33

certainly looks like Mama

15:35

will be in a little

15:36

bit of trouble. We definitely will be

15:38

hearing about moms getting arrested.

15:41

And

15:41

the school in their final announcement

15:44

related to this said they

15:46

will be instituting

15:48

mandatory metal detectors. At

15:50

all of the schools in the district. So

15:52

we will have kindergarteners in the classroom world.

15:55

We live in. Kindergarten

15:57

is the first grader, because the metal

15:59

detectors. No. No. And

16:01

and somebody I

16:02

just don't buy it that they search that

16:05

backpack. I think I'm with Woody on

16:07

that. They're that you're covering your

16:09

ass. And and

16:11

that's the story and they're sticking to it.

16:13

But you cannot search a backpack

16:16

and not find a

16:19

gun in it. You have to pull

16:21

everything out, and then put everything back in, and

16:23

you will find the gun. If there's a gun in

16:25

the back half, how much shit can a first grader have

16:27

in backpack. Right.

16:30

Yeah. And that's a that's a major thing

16:32

because that's an avoidable situation.

16:36

And what pisses me off is

16:38

now that I'm trying to cover it up.

16:40

Yeah. You know, just just fess

16:42

up. You know, that you didn't

16:44

search the backpack.

16:46

It's disgusting, really. Somebody could have

16:49

been killed. Crazy. And you knew about

16:51

it, and it banging.

16:52

Right. Moving right along folks. The

16:54

first new story today is

16:57

a story tied to

16:59

yesterday's national holiday involving

17:01

Martin Luther King junior, and

17:03

a ten million dollars

17:05

statue dedication sculpture

17:09

that was unveiled in

17:12

Boston's famous Boston

17:14

common yesterday, and

17:16

this thing is trending like you won't

17:19

believe in is being referred to as the

17:21

penis statue. So

17:23

we are we are

17:25

labeling this segment this

17:28

should be a crime. So while this

17:30

doesn't necessarily fit under our

17:32

normal description of a crime story,

17:34

we believe it should be a million

17:36

dollars spent to build a penis

17:39

statue. Even some

17:41

relatives of Caretta

17:43

Scott King, hate

17:45

the new ten million dollar scat sculpture

17:47

just dedicated to her and her

17:49

iconic civil rights leader, husband in

17:52

Boston, with a cousin claiming,

17:54

quote, it looks like a penis.

17:56

The massive bronze

17:59

piece entitled the Embrace

18:01

features two sets of arms holding each other

18:03

an artistic interpretation of the classic

18:06

photo of Caretta and Hubby Martin Luther

18:08

King Junior hugging after he won

18:10

the Nobel Peace Prize in nineteen

18:12

sixty four. The mainstream media

18:14

was reporting on it like it was

18:16

beautiful. I guess they were

18:18

told they had to say

18:18

that, said Seneca Scott,

18:21

Carreta's cousin, referring to the new artwork in

18:24

Boston Common, but then it came out. A

18:26

little boy pointed out, quote,

18:28

that's a penis. And

18:30

everyone was like, everyone was

18:32

like, Yo. That's a big old

18:34

dong man. He said a forty three

18:36

year old from Oakland, California.

18:38

That was actually made as well. That might have been

18:40

Jim. You guys you guys have taken a

18:42

look at this thing. Yeah. It's amazing.

18:45

Amazing stupidity of

18:47

people. Little Side note, a bodyguard

18:49

at Corrado Scott King, about

18:51

twenty five years ago when she came to be a

18:53

guest

18:53

speaker, South Eastern. And,

18:56

you know, it's important to note that

18:59

this ten million dollars statue,

19:03

the sculptor for this is

19:05

renowned. You know, it wouldn't like they got

19:07

somebody at the local high school or there's

19:09

a big department to put this together.

19:12

Fuckers. Ten million dollars that better be

19:15

wrote down. Yeah. You're

19:17

frank. So and,

19:19

of course, Martin Luther King being

19:22

just absolutely iconic and

19:24

an amazing civil rights

19:26

leader. We just did an episode yesterday

19:28

on Bloody Angola featuring his

19:30

letter for

19:31

me. Birmingham jail.

19:34

So check that out. But

19:36

just an amazing iconic

19:40

figure. And some people are pretty

19:43

wrapped up over this in in

19:45

some upsetting ways and

19:47

understandably so. It's the ten million

19:49

dollar down. In

19:52

the meantime,

19:52

how long

19:53

it's gonna be today? Take that picture. Yeah. What you're saying? In

19:55

the

19:55

spirit of the tearing down of

19:58

statues across the US. I'm I'm thinking this

20:00

one will have a shorter shelf life

20:02

than most. It

20:05

literally looks like an

20:07

oral sex scene gone very

20:08

wrong. So check it out

20:11

online if if you -- How do you

20:13

know? You have not.

20:14

-- check that shit. Your

20:16

public leaders of dedication, ceremony, and shit, and here it

20:19

is, the

20:19

dome. Turning now to the great state

20:22

of Alabama. An

20:25

Alabama chiropractor was arrested and

20:27

charged with allegedly attempting to kill

20:29

his estranged wife by

20:32

poisoning poisoning her with

20:34

pills laced with lead.

20:38

Brian Man aged thirty four was

20:40

charged with attempted murder for

20:42

intentionally causing his wife, Hannah

20:44

Petty, twenty four, to

20:46

unwittingly ingest particles of

20:48

lead. While the couple was going through

20:50

a divorce. He wasn't successful

20:52

first of all. And if you ever give

20:54

her a lead, she'd be, like,

20:57

kill him

20:57

good, Mike. Is it a worse? He was he was partially

21:01

successful. So beginning in January of

21:03

last year, petty, the

21:06

wife, spent two months at the University of

21:08

Alabama at Birmingham Hospital

21:10

recovering from lead poisoning. So she had

21:12

been poisoned. She filed for

21:14

divorce two days after she was

21:16

discharged, and the husband man was

21:18

arrested in September. He

21:20

allegedly gave his wife pills from the summer of

21:22

twenty one through the winter

21:25

of of twenty two

21:27

and told her they would strengthen

21:29

her immune

21:30

system. Mhmm. My wife

21:32

starts sporadically giving me pills. Yeah.

21:34

And saying here, they're gonna strengthen your

21:36

immune system. I ain't take it out

21:38

and be like,

21:39

This guy was figuring he

21:42

was gonna get away

21:44

with this mastermind

21:46

crime because he's accused of having

21:49

five separate life

21:50

insurance. Look. This guy's a fucking idiot

21:53

that to think you're not gonna get caught

21:55

and get, you know, maybe

21:57

he'll be very successful in prison as a

21:59

chiropractor. Maybe some convicts

22:02

needed some adjustments. Right? Well,

22:04

let's let's ask ask our expert

22:06

here that we have the the

22:08

former homicide detective himself.

22:10

Now if if you have a murder and

22:12

you go to the home and it's the wife

22:14

and the husband's alive and kicking

22:16

and it's kinda strung and can't figure out why

22:18

she

22:18

died. What's the first thing you

22:21

check, I would imagine?

22:23

Anything to do with their relationship. You

22:26

know, was he having a

22:28

fair, you know, financial troubles,

22:30

anything like that? And I'm sure

22:32

at some

22:33

point, you check out the life insurance. Oh,

22:35

yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's part of it.

22:37

And you're you're gonna dig deep into

22:39

the finances.

22:40

Yep.

22:41

Yep. Well, here's the here's the kind of brain surgeon

22:43

we're dealing with. So

22:45

he's arrested in September

22:47

and has taken out the five

22:51

insurance policies for one point three million, but

22:53

that wasn't good enough. So in

22:55

December, three months after he's

22:57

arrested, he applies get

22:59

an additional one point five

23:01

million payable. There you go.

23:02

He's trying to crank it up. Yeah.

23:05

And and here's the interesting thing about

23:07

that. you know, the life insurance

23:09

companies figured this out a long time ago.

23:11

So what they do now is if

23:13

you take out a life insurance policy

23:15

and it's a new policy, you're

23:17

not eligible to be paid on that for,

23:19

like, a year or something like that. Like, some

23:21

times gotta pass. Right. So

23:25

even had she passed away in January,

23:28

he wouldn't get the additional one point

23:30

five million -- Yeah. -- because it

23:32

wouldn't have kicked in yet. But you

23:34

know, maybe that's why he's trying to kill her slowly.

23:36

Right. Yeah. Maybe he said and then I guess he

23:38

could always hope that

23:40

she'll pass and he'll

23:43

collect and you're a fucking idiot

23:45

because you're

23:45

not. Enjoy your prison time. Yes.

23:47

Brian Man, we would Vote

23:50

you not a real man. Yeah.

23:53

Pretty stupid brine. Actually,

23:56

very stupid brine.

23:59

Speaking of stupid,

24:00

here's the segled. We're

24:03

now in the great state of Tennessee --

24:05

Oh my god. -- where we meet

24:07

cop party girl. Big orange.

24:11

Five officers were fired and three

24:13

others were suspended as a sex

24:15

scandal

24:15

rocked. The Luverne, Tennessee

24:18

Police Department. The

24:21

eight Luverne officers

24:24

were disciplined

24:25

earlier this week after an internal investigation

24:28

found that there were multiple sexual

24:31

encounters involving members of

24:33

the second shift. investigation revealed

24:36

that officer Megan

24:38

Hall was intimately involved with

24:40

several officers on

24:42

her shift. Both on and

24:44

off the clock. Now,

24:46

I'm staring at a picture of

24:49

Meghan Hall.

24:51

Yep. Guy's school. She looks like my Sunday

24:54

school teacher or something. I mean, she doesn't

24:56

look like someone that get wrapped up

24:58

in that. You know, well, never

25:00

know what

25:01

drives people. Shellness looks like a

25:03

boy to me. But the

25:05

deal on this whole thing is,

25:09

is what

25:12

cops do on or off days. I can

25:14

assure you that it's, you know,

25:16

shift parties and all that

25:18

stuff that They're gonna do that

25:19

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28:10

they're banging on duty.

28:12

Yeah. And that's a that

28:14

that was That's an issue.

28:16

But a lot of what

28:19

people are wrapping up in this article that I took

28:21

out of it was the fact

28:24

that off

28:26

the clock stuff. You know, they they

28:28

really look, when this girl

28:30

chooses to do and who she chooses to

28:32

screw is kinda business

28:34

off the clock. And if she's got five dudes and

28:36

she's attracted to all five and she

28:38

ain't got a problem --

28:39

Yep. -- doing it, that you know,

28:42

it's not against a law. Yeah. It's a law firm

28:44

does. Whatever. I mean, that's that is a

28:46

growing head dollars. Right. The problem

28:48

is when you gotta break it we

28:50

scallop breaking a

28:51

limb. You gotta break a lemon on duty. Yeah. That's

28:53

that's

28:53

that's an issue that you might

28:56

be missing a crime or whatever. That's

28:58

certainly my thesis in all of

29:00

us because you are

29:02

having sexual and, of course, whatever

29:04

type of way when you're supposed to be protecting

29:06

the serving. You you're serving, but you're

29:08

not protecting.

29:10

Yeah. I I would He's definitely

29:12

serving. Yeah. It's not, hey, this is a

29:14

big ass department. Yo. Honey,

29:17

It

29:18

might have been the whole department. Yeah. Yeah.

29:20

We already

29:20

closed most of

29:21

-- Yeah. -- of the department. Like

29:24

a

29:24

doorknob or, I guess, a turn

29:26

right. And where there's

29:28

where there's smoke, there's fire. If

29:30

this much naughty stuff

29:32

is going

29:33

on, It's off the clock. And she admitted

29:35

to the mayor started in

29:37

in investigation and and

29:40

all

29:40

that. And one of the cops tried lie about it,

29:43

but he initially came no.

29:45

He

29:45

initially lied and he came back and admitted it

29:48

I guess, he needed to give us out. And they were also taking

29:50

pictures. And and you

29:52

strange that the new president bet

29:54

you that was on department issued cell

29:57

phones.

29:58

Yeah. They it seems like the off the

30:00

clock stuff was really

30:02

centered around football parties.

30:05

That they would hold watch parties at different officers,

30:08

houses, or at a

30:10

hotel following and outing at a at

30:12

a go kart

30:12

place. So there was some stuff

30:14

going on outside of outside

30:17

of the day

30:20

to day police

30:22

work. When I when I started law

30:24

enforcement, brother Pete

30:26

Charley had been a cop for

30:28

years. He he told me he said,

30:30

Woody, you need to keep at least one

30:32

friend. It's not a cop. And

30:34

I said why. You said because you're gonna get

30:36

sucked into it and

30:38

the only people you're gonna wanna

30:40

hang around with are other cops because they're the only

30:42

ones that get you. And he's right.

30:45

Every every day off, especially when I

30:47

was single, we ran together.

30:49

We parted together. I mean, we

30:51

didn't we didn't do

30:53

shit on diddy like that. But well,

30:55

off duty. No.

30:56

Think about this. This is a

30:58

small department. I I don't know exactly how

31:01

many officers there were, but

31:04

five of the officers. Five

31:06

of them admitting

31:09

admitted to Engaging

31:11

in sexual acts with Hall.

31:14

Hall also admitted to

31:16

having sexual encounters with

31:18

all five of the officers.

31:21

Now, not money.

31:22

Nobody likes sloppy seconds.

31:25

Like, how about Fifth? Slappy Fifth. They

31:27

guys gotta be worse than Slappy on that.

31:29

It's gotta be ruined

31:31

Fifth. They

31:34

must have a run on

31:35

Penicillin going on in that in

31:37

that department. Oh, in that hybrid, you know what?

31:40

Everybody got here because two people had

31:42

a a sex drive. Right. But she

31:44

shouldn't do it on duty. That's the

31:46

moral of the story. I mean, I don't give a shit

31:48

if she slept with every everybody,

31:51

the other two members in an apartment or

31:53

whatever it may be. Whatever she does, that's

31:55

her business, but you can't do your business

31:58

on

31:59

cup time. Well, to that

32:02

point,

32:02

the Luverne police chief,

32:04

Burrell, Chip Davis, said in a

32:06

statement on Monday that

32:08

this is a difficult situation for our

32:11

department and for the

32:11

city. But I wanna be clear that

32:14

the actions of a

32:16

few do not represent

32:18

this department as a whole. Well,

32:20

Chip, if the few are

32:22

your entire department?

32:23

IIII Chip.

32:25

That that, you know, a

32:28

few is defined as

32:30

maybe

32:30

two, maybe three. You got, like, six or

32:32

seven on going at

32:34

it. Yeah.

32:36

I wanna meet the the whoever,

32:38

the one or two officers

32:39

that were participating. Yes. And I'm

32:41

sure they got some the

32:43

more social awareness that are being retained

32:46

for services in this

32:47

week. Jim, any final thoughts over there

32:50

for the fine officers of

32:52

Luverne, Tennessee? Not

32:55

really. I don't really have anything.

32:58

Yeah. Into that

32:58

one. That's what it is.

33:00

I don't

33:00

wanna beat her up too bad. I mean, she is

33:03

a human. Oh, yeah. Well, I and

33:05

all of them are human. They just shouldn't have been fucking

33:07

on duty, and they wouldn't be in

33:09

pro in

33:10

trouble. Right.

33:12

I agree. Turning

33:13

to a story as an Italian

33:15

American that you never like to see.

33:17

The most wanted mafia

33:19

boss in Italy

33:20

was arrested after a thirty year

33:23

search. Matteo

33:25

Messina Donaro. Is

33:28

an Italian mob boss

33:30

who's been one of y'all for like

33:32

thirty years. So

33:35

it's hard to hide for forty

33:37

days in in this day and

33:39

time with technology the way it is. You

33:41

see what happened with the Idaho murder.

33:43

They can just about track him from

33:45

the killings back to his house.

33:48

This guy went on the

33:50

lamb for thirty years.

33:52

And look,

33:55

the Cecelium mob is

33:58

they're they're legit.

34:00

This guy is responsible for tons

34:02

of kilns. Extortion,

34:06

you name

34:06

it. And Khosavastra is

34:10

less strong today because he is captured, hopefully, in

34:12

the black hand, not a sis useless.

34:15

But you know what? This

34:17

dude didn't just

34:20

get away with it for thirty years and

34:22

some he was paying somebody

34:24

to protect him. Mhmm. Good point.

34:27

Or they were paying

34:29

slash paying the combination of

34:31

if we tell where that, you know,

34:33

we're gonna get killed good. It's

34:35

Mike, killing good. As Mike would

34:38

say, but he certainly

34:40

had protection, you know, it's it's

34:42

not the same time as it was thirty years

34:44

ago. It can't get away with

34:46

it anymore. Well, one of the saddest pieces

34:49

here is that one of the

34:51

crimes he's charged with is the

34:53

murder and torture of the eleven

34:56

year old son of an

34:58

enemy who gave evidence

35:00

against the Sicilian Chosanustra. And

35:04

for all of my life growing up Italian and America, there's

35:06

a code of conduct -- Right.

35:09

-- where women children

35:12

are untouchable -- Right. -- in these

35:14

kinds of situations. And so it it

35:17

looks like our friend

35:20

Matteo assuming he's guilty of that crime,

35:22

went way outside the

35:24

boundaries that they operate in.

35:27

Well,

35:29

interesting at least he had thirty

35:32

years. Yeah.

35:35

And he also In addition to that,

35:37

he received a life sentence in twenty twenty

35:40

for a bombing that he was a

35:42

part of in Milan, a

35:44

fatal bombing. And,

35:46

you know, it was the

35:50

order of just dozens

35:52

of

35:53

martyrs way more than

35:56

than whatever now.

35:56

Yeah. It was given a life sentence for that.

35:58

So it did in absentee. Yeah.

36:03

Mean, he wasn't even there. They

36:05

tried him. Right. And when they tracked

36:07

him down, this was around

36:10

ten AM sicily time.

36:12

They conducted a raid

36:14

with over a hundred

36:18

agents obviously, they needed to they needed to ignore

36:20

me to take him down. They

36:22

really didn't know what they were gonna be

36:24

looking at when they got there.

36:27

And there might have been a scene

36:29

from scarface where, you know,

36:32

he's in a a mansion and he's

36:34

just shooting and let me admit that there should to

36:36

my left of

36:37

friend. Yeah. One of the best scenes

36:39

all the time, intermittently. Ever. They'll get high

36:41

in your own supply.

36:43

Don't get high. One more Quailood and she'll love me in the morning.

36:45

And in another way, though, she'll love me. Look at

36:47

pretty pretty delicate, fly, delicate

36:49

fly, beautiful mangoes.

36:53

For sure.

36:53

The money. For sure. Get the bottom. Fuck

36:55

this guy. You can get the alarmism.

36:58

Right. Yeah. I'm I don't even know

37:00

if they have a deaf car

37:00

yet. I'm not sure if they they he'll get it. Well,

37:03

here's the interesting thing. When they were tracking him for all these years,

37:05

they actually were seizing assets as they

37:07

went. So they would

37:10

kinda follow him to different spots by the time he would they

37:12

would get there, he would find out they were on his trail

37:14

and move, but he would leave behind

37:17

assets. They ended up seizing

37:20

around three billion dollars worth

37:23

of assets during this

37:25

thirty year

37:26

manhunt. Yeah. He's still making

37:28

this money today. He I mean,

37:30

obviously, he was killing and continuing

37:32

his criminal

37:33

enterprises, narcotics, whatever the fuck they

37:36

were doing. He

37:38

had

37:38

to have a

37:40

source of income for thirty years. Yeah.

37:43

Well, he's

37:45

behind bars now.

37:46

Let's see how that works. Maybe it'll it'll chop up escape

37:48

through a

37:50

whole living

37:51

room. Little

37:54

olives. Last week's segment was so popular we back again

37:56

with another bad guy birthday.

38:01

we're saying happy birthday to Al

38:04

Capone, and who better

38:06

to follow-up our story

38:08

about the

38:10

Sicilian mobster captured after thirty years than to celebrate the

38:12

birthday of Al Capone.

38:14

MLK

38:15

had he lived? Would have turned

38:17

a hundred and twenty four to

38:20

that. Wow.

38:22

And just as popular today. Right.

38:24

Haying was then. There are no

38:26

gangsters in Kaga.

38:27

But he actually died in nineteen forty

38:30

seven at just forty

38:32

eight years of age. Yep. A little bit

38:34

of syphilis on the

38:35

brain, I believe.

38:36

Yep. A at New who

38:38

who moved to Chicago to

38:40

become the leader of the Chicago

38:43

outfit that dominated during prohibition?

38:46

He he would have never came to power

38:48

as anything other than petty criminal, had

38:50

they not

38:52

started prohibition? And they

38:54

use that opportunity

38:56

to give the people what they

38:58

wanted, and they were gonna get anyway, which

39:02

is alcohol.

39:02

That's

39:03

right. And he was also a world

39:05

famous prisoner in alcatraz.

39:08

I'll go back to it on it when

39:10

he

39:11

started the prohibition. I mean, he's pretty much genius.

39:14

Right? I mean, he gave the people

39:16

what they wanted. And then

39:19

they established these He didn't just

39:21

do it in Chicago, and they established these routes

39:24

through all the major cities.

39:26

And even from the hills

39:28

or from Canada or from the haulers

39:30

where they were making the shine. So they

39:32

had all these routes now

39:34

and all these people on payroll, all

39:36

these officials they were paying

39:38

off, etcetera. And so when Prohibition

39:40

ended that they still had these open corridors,

39:42

these proven methods of

39:46

commend the crime and then just swapped it

39:48

to other things, whether it be prostitution or narcotics

39:52

or whatever.

39:56

And I will say that

39:58

no one is celebrating harder today than

40:02

Gerardo Rivera. Smooth.

40:04

They don't know. Y'all probably don't know. And

40:06

I was so hyper minded and mid

40:12

eighties or whenever it was. It was a twenty twenty special

40:14

one. Yes. Al Capone vault. They

40:17

found Al Capone secret

40:20

vault in Haraldive decided he was gonna open it on live

40:22

national TV, and they did it, and they

40:24

went on, and they broke through the

40:25

wall, and they did the whole thing. And I think they

40:27

found, like, two

40:30

co found a wine bottle

40:32

from Yeah. Good

40:34

job for all the Alright. A little trivia

40:36

for you guys. The Capone story

40:40

was told in the nineteen

40:42

eighty seven film The UnTouchables.

40:44

One of my favorites. Great, baby.

40:47

Okay. Well, let's see. Starz started that.

40:49

See how you are on your

40:51

untouchables trivia. Alright. Who played

40:53

Elliot Ness? Could you

40:55

have been costing her?

40:57

Why nothing? What is what is your

40:59

head? Come on, Jim.

41:00

I don't have a buzzer. Who

41:05

played Al

41:06

Capone? Oh. Damn

41:08

it. I'm bad with names. I can't

41:09

think of it. That's sad because he was a

41:11

main character. Yeah. But I don't think

41:13

anybody could tell you. Played

41:15

at who played

41:16

him? Jerry Olsen. We we deployed

41:19

very chubby for the role. Robert Deneer. Oh,

41:21

I saw Nene Olsen. I

41:24

can't believe you guys. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. And

41:27

They love the scene that around

41:29

around the dinner table

41:31

all the associates are there, and he takes the bat out and

41:33

beats the guy's brains out. That was

41:36

great.

41:36

And close

41:37

personal friend of mine happened to play

41:39

the role of George Navy

41:42

Garcia.

41:42

Great scene in the train

41:45

station at the end where where he's holding

41:47

the cap baby carriage up

41:49

and got him.

41:50

Yep. Yeah. Great

41:50

movie. Love and If you haven't, go

41:52

out and see the untouchables today. Yep.

41:56

Alright. Celebrate. Happy birthday.

41:58

Happy birthday. Really cool movie, but

42:00

let's be we'd be

42:02

remiss when say how they got him.

42:04

All of the shit they tried to get a morning prohibition everything else. He

42:07

had people paid off every time they

42:09

do raids. It was, you know, they were

42:11

warmed ahead of time. But

42:14

they actually got his his

42:17

tax guy or his book guy

42:19

to flip on him and

42:21

they did him on federal income tax evasion

42:24

charges, sentenced to the federal

42:26

prison at alcatraz. And

42:28

supposedly, they allowed him

42:30

to have a

42:32

prostitute come in, surgical

42:34

visits, and the theory is that the

42:36

government knew this

42:39

lady had was syphilis, a gonorrhea, or whatever.

42:41

And they gave it to him, and they didn't give him

42:43

the treatment for it. And he's released.

42:46

He retires to Miami, but

42:48

he said pretty much his brain is mushy at the

42:49

time. He ended up dying that complications of that.

42:52

Since saying that when you

42:53

were up your mind around at

42:56

a gangster could about a

42:58

million times before that ends up dying by

43:00

syphilis. Yeah. A

43:01

sexually transmitted disease. Pretty

43:04

shitty way

43:06

to

43:06

go saying.

43:07

Oh, yeah. I mean, you you lose your mind from what I understand and,

43:09

you know Oh, there's an

43:11

outbreak. Well, we can quarantine the sea. Yeah.

43:13

Yeah. I'll quarantine

43:15

the sea. But that is But it gives you some

43:18

shots to you. A poor

43:20

girl. Maybe she's

43:22

Oh, so she's Maybe

43:23

she's said the girl next door.

43:25

Maybe she used dental

43:27

dams. Oh my god.

43:31

Obviously, we're keeping powers

43:33

until the girls say I only I'm

43:35

gonna fuck

43:36

you. Can he I love that, Joe. You

43:38

see? He's bouncing

43:38

down. He said, hey, what are you all too?

43:41

Let's let's wrap this episode

43:44

with epidural dams. A bit of a sad story. Bring

43:46

it down. Let's bring it down from dental

43:48

dams and -- Alright. --

43:50

we're gonna talk about the youngest execution

43:54

ever. It's a sad story that reminds

43:56

us that it wasn't that long ago, and

43:58

it's good to think about stuff

44:00

like this.

44:02

In light of the National Holiday yesterday and

44:04

Martin Luther King Junior's Honor, and

44:06

we just dropped a episode

44:09

last week on Bloody and Gold. A companion

44:11

showed one last

44:12

meal, some famous executions.

44:15

Yes. We did. Very

44:17

interesting. We go back in the time machine a little bit for this

44:19

one, but on June sixteenth nineteen

44:21

forty four, the state of

44:23

South Carolina

44:25

executed George Stinnie Junior. He

44:27

was fourteen years, six months, and

44:29

five days old at the time. The

44:31

youngest person ever

44:34

executed in the United States

44:36

in the twentieth century. Stinnie

44:38

was black, was convicted

44:40

of murdering two white girls.

44:42

Eddie June Binicker, age and Mary Emma

44:45

Thanes, age eight, with

44:47

a railroad spike. The

44:50

trial lasted three hours and

44:53

the all white jury

44:55

deliberated for ten minutes --

44:57

Mhmm. -- before sentencing. George

45:00

Steny, and

45:01

had a death in the electric chair.

45:03

In the electric chair. And

45:05

it was just six

45:08

weeks later that

45:10

guards strapped him into the electric

45:12

chair. He was five foot one and weighed

45:14

just over ninety pounds.

45:16

Wow. During the

45:18

electrocution, the that Joel

45:20

shook the adult side size

45:22

mask he was wearing right off of his

45:23

head. Wow. I'm

45:25

curious to know how

45:28

what weight in size Mary

45:30

and Jean Betty were when

45:32

he was stabbing him with Revords and we're

45:35

a little bit younger then.

45:37

Who knows? I mean, I hope

45:39

this isn't an

45:42

injustice. Right? I mean,

45:44

somebody else could have killed and it certainly all white

45:47

jury and you, like, young white

45:49

male killed two young white girls. They

45:51

they were gonna kill his

45:53

ass. Well, it was an interesting back then to me and Woody

45:56

have done many episodes on

45:58

Bloody Angola about executions

46:00

during that time. Right.

46:04

And, I mean, they didn't play around. If you if you were sentenced

46:06

to death, it was, like, within three

46:08

months. You were -- Yep. -- you were

46:10

done. The appeals process lasted

46:13

about a day. Yeah. And and and you

46:15

gotta execute it. Nowadays, you if

46:17

you've sentenced to an

46:19

execution, it You never get

46:22

executed. You die of old age

46:24

first. Right. It's So

46:26

that's I found

46:27

that. It spends millions and millions

46:29

of dollars in this. Incarcerating you for that

46:31

time. Failure. But, by the way, this the

46:33

incarceration is is what caused so

46:35

much, just appeals the

46:38

process -- Yeah. --

46:39

after some of the years twenty eight years on

46:41

death row is because

46:44

there's active

46:45

appeal going on, and it costs millions

46:47

and millions and millions and

46:49

dollars. Twenty eight years

46:50

of lawyers, talk I don't even like

46:53

talking to a lawyer. For two minutes. And then

46:55

the yes. And then not to mention the

46:57

feeding and housing, you know, just the

46:59

food over twenty eight years time. I mean, you're

47:01

looking at a chunk of

47:04

change. It's It it's

47:05

insane. But you

47:06

wanna get it

47:07

right? I get that.

47:08

I don't know. Twenty eight

47:10

years,

47:10

though, at this fourteen year

47:13

old executed. I mean, I'm forward

47:15

to death penalty.

47:18

I I I'm not forward if it's

47:20

wrong. Well, and

47:21

in nineteen forty four, almost

47:24

eighty years ago,

47:28

your history, Steny did

47:30

not have the rights he would

47:32

have today to a

47:34

jury of his

47:35

peers. That was clearly not a

47:37

jury of his peers.

47:39

Yeah. All I on

47:42

black in South Carolina, accused of

47:44

killing two white girls, they were gonna

47:46

kill them for sure, and they did.

47:49

Water.

47:49

And he may very well have done it,

47:51

but

47:51

Very well, man. Yeah. Yeah. Was

47:54

I mean

47:55

This due process received I'm pretty sure. Don't

47:57

think so. They they were just short

47:59

of getting

48:00

right. Right? I mean, I

48:04

don't know. It's just tough for me. I hate to wrap it up

48:05

on a on a bummer.

48:08

Well, then we should talk about

48:11

Relive for

48:12

a crime and blending and go let's talk

48:14

about blending and going

48:15

live. Yes. Yes. Yes.

48:18

We just sold out two shows, Friday night, Saturday night,

48:20

shout out to Southeastern and Christmas. Oh, wait.

48:22

Tell them tell them what it is. You

48:24

gotta assume people ain't never heard of blood

48:26

eating

48:26

over. Oh,

48:27

you're right. The buddy Angola

48:30

is a podcast. All

48:34

about the most

48:37

notorious, largest, and

48:39

bloodiest maximum security prison in the United

48:41

States, which is Louisiana

48:44

State Penitentiary at

48:44

Angola. I thought you were gonna say

48:47

podcast a hundred and forty two years to make it, and

48:49

I was gonna say my part. Oh, well, we y'all

48:51

tune in, you'll hear it. We open the show the

48:53

same way every time.

48:56

Mad success,

48:58

crazy. Every

48:59

episode is different, and now we're

49:02

doing three drops a week

49:04

instead of

49:06

one and

49:08

it's always something different.

49:11

Very entertained. To me, it's

49:13

entertaining because I'll let the criminal

49:15

line fascinates me. And it's just fire. And the

49:17

numbers prove it. Y'all proving that we're, you know,

49:20

always up there in

49:22

documentaries and and Apple podcasts. And if

49:24

you

49:25

haven't, Check it out. Go

49:27

check it out, subscribe, like it, and leave

49:29

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49:29

review and all that good stuff. It

49:32

is. Okay.

49:33

guys were great. You guys were

49:34

great. Yeah. Yeah. Mike got to come and You

49:37

wanna talk about blooding a

49:40

lot. Yeah. Right now.

49:42

We we did a live

49:44

podcast where we told the

49:46

story of

49:49

the Angola five in a in a

49:51

actually horrible in the absolute victim. Yes.

49:54

In

49:54

a horrible murder that took place

49:56

in nineteen ninety nine at

50:00

Louisiana state penitentiary of a

50:02

captain correctional officer. And

50:06

also and we don't definitely don't

50:08

want to forget about

50:10

them. There was there was two other

50:12

hostages involved in that situation

50:14

who although they lived and

50:16

were blessed to live, I'm

50:20

sure it completely changed our

50:22

life. And so

50:24

we told that story and it was very

50:25

successful. We sold out

50:28

two nights And And so I look forward to doing more.

50:30

Yeah. When we say live, podcast

50:32

podcast y'all, I think, you know,

50:34

I've been doing real life for

50:36

crime and the crew badge

50:38

for years now. I think

50:40

people have a misconception that we're sitting

50:42

behind a desk, sitting behind a microphone.

50:44

It's not like that. It's pretty much a

50:46

crowd interactive. Show.

50:48

We are facing the audience. We're standing

50:50

the whole time and we had a lot

50:52

of great stuff that Jim put together for

50:55

it. It was awesome. We thank everybody

50:57

for coming out and we'll do another

50:59

one again in the

51:00

future. It was great. And for me, maybe

51:03

the the best part was getting to meet

51:06

fans that had that had

51:08

come some from pretty --

51:09

Oh, yeah. -- far in this

51:11

city, Houston, Dallas.

51:13

Dallas all over. All

51:16

really, really passionate about

51:18

Buddy Angola, also really

51:20

passionate about real life,

51:21

real crime, Also, if you

51:24

mentioned listening to this little show Absolutely.

51:26

Hey. I was getting my hair done.

51:28

I'm a stylist and you can believe that.

51:30

Actually, she's a barber. That morning, Friday

51:32

morning, and she was talking about she's

51:35

a

51:35

business. Right. She's a business. Love.

51:37

Then you say. Nice you.

51:39

When my stylist was doing my hair.

51:41

She was also talking about

51:43

shit business. Should I say

51:45

buffing my hair? Well, in their honor, we'll

51:47

open episode five with an

51:50

update on your business.

51:51

Yes. Yes. Gotta talk about that. Well, let's wrap

51:53

this one up, boys.

51:56

I'm

51:56

Jim Chapman. I'm Woody Eversen. And I'm Mike Agavino.

51:59

And we'll see you on Friday with

52:01

another real life, real

52:04

crime, daily. Peace.

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