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what's up, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls around the

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world world, i would like to welcome welcome you back for

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a a very special episode of

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real talk with zuby this

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month as we all know know is pride

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month so i thought thought what

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better collaboration could we have? then

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the british women's

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trans dead lift record holder alongside

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the usa is most esteemed

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and most successful lgbt

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children's author it also the

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main star of the massive an amazing

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new documentary what is a woman and

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of course this is the one and only met was met

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walk into the shelter the interaction

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good to go to finally meet you in person

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we off and like i said online i've

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been listening to your show your probably don't

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know this but since you were still doing still doing new

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car so it's been amazing

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the in the rise of first while on say congrats on

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the success the person nine

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our second through the car episodes and i was wasn't

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, easy saw appreciate that i'll give man

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so one thing i really wanted to talk to

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about to start with his cause i know

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so much about your opinions

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and thoughts on so many different topics but

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i realized realized don't really know

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all that much about you as a person

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and your background and everything that led

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up to the stage so can you just

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give just a little the intro

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to you are especially for those who may not

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be familiar but even those who are the origin

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story you're gone

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all way back i was raised out i

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was born one of my area maryland

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and raised in a very

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conservative catholic family of five brothers

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and sisters when my sister's is a is a

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non now set up like how catholic

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our family of and i'm

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like why was public school you know for

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a big arms glad that amounts go

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mounted by part of that is because is

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went public school for in

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okay through twelve and very low liberal

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even back then it's not as bad as it is now

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but the liberal area and

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so that was just

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learning as my parents were very open

2:22

with us about like this is what you're going encounter public

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school got to be able stand up for your values

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if he hears something that's the

2:29

you know is wrong don't have to just

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sit and listen to any good can speak up

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and if you get in trouble for that that's cool

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you won't be trouble in trouble at home for that

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that was going to how i was was raised and i think

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it's sort sort of prepared me a little bit for what

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what i do now what's

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gonna started i started a website bouts

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, guess is almost ten years ago now just a blog

2:53

and and writing my thoughts

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on things without a lot of plan

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behind it and a catholic off pretty

2:59

frequently and of work with glenn beck of the blaze

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for three four years before

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i came over here and put

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me in a car for public as

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awesome did you know that this that this world

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you are going to enter did you have aspirations

3:14

they do something else don't

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i i i knew from oh from a young

3:19

age especially in school like a part

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of it again goes back to this arguing with people

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now i'm feeling my god the

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behind enemy lines and enemy territory

3:28

all the time but there

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was something the out

3:32

of their naps to their and the

3:34

something frayling about it also i felt so

3:38

it also knew that i have no other skills

3:40

so it's either this or arm

3:44

a woman i guess there's this or nothing night

3:46

at this hour or hour i should be living in

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august , when what was it

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like growing up growing growing up at that

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time so i mean i grew up in

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the middle east out in saudi arabia so

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very

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current from

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they've a lot of people both here in the us and also

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in my home country of the uk have grown

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up but when people now

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hear the word liberal i think that's actually one of the most bastard

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eyes terms that's really

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sort of become so

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far removed from what it used to mean

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but what did that mean when you

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were growing up there how have you seen those

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definitions of liberal and conservative

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change over the decades yeah

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i think i was far was conservative as conservative

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the the problem for conservative

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as far as i far back as i can remember

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his a

4:34

fundamental this agreement

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among conservatives about whale a

4:38

class a question what exactly are trying to conserve

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and so

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that's that's kind of always been the case with for

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for me growing up and in public school

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it was you

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know it was i can remember

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a fair bit of leftwing

4:55

indoctrination i can remember the

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even history classes and how they were back

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then when nobody was using the term critical race

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theory that it existed but ah

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, term hadn't made it's way to public consciousness

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yet so but there was a lot of that kind

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of thing i can remember even go back to elementary school

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as they were the emphasizing

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you know the

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stories of heroism from

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american history and more let's talk

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about all the sins and all things we should be sad

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about and feel regret for even though he didn't do them i'm

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i'm all in all our gone back to the store when i was a

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kid but even that is is just bad

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is that was it's nothing compared

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to what they're going through now yeah

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that especially when it comes to our all the

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gender stopping at that didn't exist

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without and school at all i

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think i was familiar with the

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term transgender islam your

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heard the term but nobody that

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i ever encountered when i was a kid identify

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that wasn't you know i hadn't even heard that term

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until i want to say about eight or nine years ago i

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member people

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the transsexual through young and transvestite

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so a transvestite was a my who wanted to

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dress and opposite sex clothing transaction

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with someone who had actually done

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hormone therapy and had a sixteen

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surgery and now with this idea

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of transgender ism it's just merely

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self identification and you can do that

6:17

other stuff maybe if you want to

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so that actually i think in the past decade

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this really come

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to light and then of course terms like

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transylvania which didn't

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exist and was not a word until very

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recently and seems to be the primary device

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and argument used for advocates

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that seems to be one thing they always

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just come back to anyone who asks the question the

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any issue any questions just your central

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that you're trans or they track your chance will they can unfortunately

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that shuts down i think about eighty

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ninety percent of people because

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i mean as i mentioned earlier

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in this i'm in now been over three years since

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i posted for a flippant tweet on

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twitter saying hey identified as woman

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i just broke the british woman's douglas record that

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was back in february twenty nineteen when

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fewer people were actually talking about this and

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that blew up and and went crazy and it

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just amazes me that more than three years later

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this is still a that

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debate and he makes

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me wonder what's going on in western society

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and particularly it seems english speaking countries

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the anglos fear that is

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causing this psychosis

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the lack of a better term and

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, think it's combined with an

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the pandemic of cowardice honestly in

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one thing i really like about what you do and respect

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that's that your your

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your courageous in your speech you use

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speak up you say the things that

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other people are thinking and

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you've got your principles and you stand by them whether

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people agree disagree you don't cower

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in apologize for for

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absolutely everything it's that is

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that's rare is that's something that's always been

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within you or is that something that you've kind

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of learn and develop

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over time

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ah

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i think i've always had said i don't

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take a lot of credit for it because i'm also

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i'm up i think i'm naturally antagonistic also

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kind of a contrarians i i have that

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and as i have a call a call and some of that i'm units

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that are there many times a life when it doesn't really

8:19

benefit you to be that way but for

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me i that's that's gonna how

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i am so it's not

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that's why it's not so as to be courageous

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as like you have to actually be the

8:32

courageous thing is when you do something and or you're

8:34

really afraid to do it and by

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you do it anyway as carriage ride for

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me with a lot of the stuff i'm not a just a matter afraid

8:43

so you'll have all encourage

8:45

him i say that it sound like self congratulatory i'm afraid

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of anything the i

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mean and that way i just mean yeah i'm if it

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doesn't occur to me too worry

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about it like when

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the

8:58

one people are very worried about being labeled you

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know and i don't you call them cause

9:02

when racist or homophobic transfer a

9:05

lot of people that the fact

9:07

and deeply and be called they they don't want we perceive

9:09

that way and so you can manipulate them and

9:13

you're actually it's it's quite sinister because are taking

9:15

advantage of what is in that person

9:18

the positive quality where they you know they don't want

9:20

to be seen in a bad lighting they they're just decent

9:22

normal people and in

9:25

and out of the end up getting manipulated but for me i just

9:28

i just don't care at

9:30

all the labels

9:32

he put on me if you say to me i

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think erases it

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doesn't i don't care that you think that about the episode

9:38

i'm saying so i'm because i know

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myself i know what i am on a doesn't matter to

9:43

me at all there

9:45

is a i think i'm almost to survive especially

9:47

the do kind of what we do and be in the public

9:50

eye and to be engaging these issues all the

9:52

time lama is gonna like numbness

9:54

you have to have to other people's opinions and feelings

9:57

and once again at something that in other spheres

9:59

if i'm not sure that it's a positive thing all

10:02

the time but it , feel

10:04

it's almost a necessity them these days guys

10:06

are so much can measure all the time and

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ah yeah you could have a a

10:11

million people coming after you call me all kinds of names

10:14

some of the survival mechanism you have to get

10:16

a point where stuff like i don't care that

10:19

any of you people think the absolutely

10:21

i agree exactly what what you said because

10:25

get a lot of people who congratulate

10:27

or thank me for my my courage and

10:31

i have a similar response to you which is

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that the i think in one

10:35

way to compliment in another way

10:37

i feel sort of saddened that the

10:39

bar for courage in society

10:41

is is so low that just saying

10:44

what you believed to be true or

10:46

in some cases something that is objectively true

10:49

that is now considered something that requires

10:52

a unique and special

10:55

amount of courage when i think really it should

10:57

be the default so why

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do you think that why

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do you think so so few people have

11:03

that level of courage because we're not talking about fighting

11:08

at fighting in a war or running into

11:10

a burning building and saving some one word

11:12

we're talking to okay you might get called me names but

11:14

you're you're not really putting yourself

11:16

at some type of horrible physical risk

11:19

but it seems like now people's tolerance for

11:21

live for risk we saw this as well over the

11:23

past two and a half years so that the tolerance

11:25

for risk is is is you there's

11:28

a lot of goes into a part of it is just living

11:30

discomfort will western life on

11:33

where you where you go

11:35

about most of your life and on a daily

11:37

basis and not really experience very

11:39

much suffering and pain and ah

11:42

though he started see that as the exception

11:44

more than the rule with life whereas previous generations

11:47

mean people now the live in other parts of the world suffering

11:50

pain deprivation atlantic such as

11:52

much as part of life as part of part deal for the bargain

11:55

we we've been able to insulate ourselves from

11:57

that and so than a economics you we

11:59

gonna l that makes you feel like

12:01

you're entitled to that kind of comfort all the time

12:04

and when anything

12:06

comes along the threatens to to take you out of

12:08

that make a little bit uncomfortable you new recoil

12:10

from an even more if

12:13

i think that that's part of people don't mind because

12:16

we're so comfortable and weeks or even

12:18

just disapproving comments

12:22

the boat posting

12:24

frowny face images that you and com it's

12:28

a real trial compared to what you

12:30

experience on a daily basis the

12:32

not about it also has its own is also matter of

12:34

belief this

12:37

really applies especially in the church and so i

12:39

got a question lot about whoa lab with

12:41

with the song come out what is a woman and what

12:45

was i get a lot as well you

12:47

know what wire the church is talking about this

12:49

more why why

12:51

why you out you're doing is why isn't it's are

12:53

wired church leaders out of addressing

12:55

this issue of gender ideology and what it's

12:57

doing to people which is

12:59

a really good question to they should be i've been going

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to church every week for my whole

13:04

life i don't have

13:06

anything i've ever heard this issue address from the pulpit

13:08

and in really directed substantially i'm

13:11

and maybe you can excuse that for like the first one years

13:13

of my life but the last ten to fifteen

13:16

there's no she's not are when they don't why

13:18

that while there the

13:21

cowardice also but then also i

13:23

think it comes down to believe i think a lot of people leading

13:25

searches don't actually believe

13:29

what we believe they're pretending they don't actually have this

13:31

believe deep down within the

13:33

goes beyond the church also a lot of conservative

13:36

so called conservative leaders

13:39

who we look at them and say why are they cowards why are they

13:41

speaking the and defending

13:44

our beliefs because they don't share the police actually

13:46

they don't they know that's the dirty little secret they don't

13:48

actually believe a lot of the stuff them for

13:52

me i actually

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by believe all the things that i'm saying i would say it of

13:56

i didn't believe it though everything

13:59

springs kind naturally from there i mean

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gender ideology i i say that it's the

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clear present danger to civilization

14:09

we are destroying a generation of kids no

14:12

my whole spiel on they actually believe

14:15

all that said i really believe deep down that all that

14:17

is true and if you believe that the

14:19

believe that something is that much of a danger

14:21

to society into your own kids there

14:24

now what else you going to do but the ago

14:27

and i mean you you wrote a book on this really

14:29

europe meant literally called church of cowards the

14:32

excellent book i read read that all the way through

14:35

and that's something that's also i

14:37

found i found disappointing

14:39

the

14:40

then i also found a disappointing over the best two

14:42

and a half years i mean i saw there were places where

14:46

searches were shut down across the board

14:49

and then a they opened casinos

14:51

and strip clubs and all this and that and

14:53

i was primarily in the uk during this time

14:56

but i was thinking way how come

14:58

all the

14:59

shouldn't the religious leaders be

15:02

not just church leaders ball religious leaders

15:04

i mean the with the way they just allowed

15:07

bureaucrats to to shut them down wouldn't with

15:09

no with no fi i think it's one thing something

15:11

happening and you're attempting to resist it

15:13

there's another thing when it's pressing

15:16

against you and you to say oh okay let's

15:18

just let's just go with it

15:19

or you know or or even you're

15:22

the one calling

15:23

for it and not just a

15:25

got a gonna hurt or

15:28

, heart i was was like man this is this is

15:30

so disappointing when

15:32

you know what's the point of all this if

15:34

no one's gonna stand for the

15:37

only to stand for for anything and

15:39

someone who travels a lot so

15:42

much of this stuff oftentimes people say the world

15:44

is going crazy and everyone's going nuts and

15:47

i mean you use somewhat explore this in your documentary

15:49

but rethink when people say that it's very western

15:52

centric perspective because

15:54

so many of the

15:56

so many to the the bad ideas and these

15:58

these mental battle that are are spreading

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it's primarily in

16:04

the western world it's it's the u s it's canada

16:06

uk australia new zealand

16:09

some parts of western europe but actually

16:11

the vast majority people in the world most of the

16:13

billions of people

16:15

the have the exact same the was

16:18

and we do as that dumb as i tried that you spoke

16:20

to in any or any documentary

16:22

what is what woman and that's actually

16:24

the that actually popular

16:27

mainstream perspective

16:29

i mean what percentage of people in this

16:31

world actually believe that believe

16:33

that can have a penis or men can

16:35

give birth and so on these are these

16:38

are very very friends and minority views

16:40

which somehow have

16:43

created this

16:45

appearance

16:46

that they are the the most

16:49

the most commonly held one in the world and

16:51

i feel like that happens on a lot of issues so it can

16:53

seem like common sense is is

16:55

completely gone and everyone's wrapped up in the

16:57

psychosis but i don't think that's

16:59

true i do think most people are

17:01

normal when most people no

17:04

show people have different opinions but uncertain something's

17:06

are very self avenue

17:08

there there are few things more self evident than

17:10

males

17:11

the females not just in

17:13

the human species but across the board at it seems

17:15

like everyone is just playing this game all the time

17:18

yeah the derived part of the problem is

17:22

these days especially large

17:24

large bit of the media and internet

17:27

via were all disconnected all the time you're

17:29

bombarded with all these messages also just message

17:32

overload all the time the then

17:35

it is a price is kind of amnesia where

17:37

people have a very short memory know he the memories

17:39

of of fruit flies now and ,

17:42

that's why something will happen you know and

17:44

it's like the biggest story the world have as if you feel like

17:46

it's it changes everything and then then

17:49

minutes later know zoc matter anymore and

17:51

all that means that we just get your is

17:53

like stuck in this eternal now

17:56

of just like you're always wrapped up in each moment

17:58

as it happens and you forget about what

18:01

, in the past them what's gonna happen in the future and

18:04

, is kind of bubble wear

18:06

whatever is the reality

18:09

for us right now it is exact moment you

18:11

think that to this is just the world this is what it's

18:13

always been this is what is everywhere you

18:15

don't realize how insular it is

18:17

and how new a lot of the stuff isn't

18:20

temporary because i would degenerate

18:22

on particular yeah you could go outside the western bubbles

18:24

we did in the film and discover that

18:26

the stuff doesn't exist or

18:28

if you had a time machine you could go back you

18:31

know of any years ago your ten years ago really and

18:34

sit anywhere in the world and it didn't exist i mean

18:36

it's it's so it's it's

18:39

unique to this place

18:41

, we live but also to this zeigler time

18:45

time have that's have something up evolve

18:47

and grapple with an effort or even realize

18:49

even why do you think that gender

18:52

ideology specifically is is so

18:54

dangerous because there's

18:56

a lot of people out there of course including advocates

18:58

and apologists who would say that hey

19:01

why say why does this bother you let

19:04

people live their lives let people do

19:06

what they wanna do believe what they want to believe and

19:08

so on what specifically do think

19:10

is that is the greatest

19:12

right about this idea

19:14

the i think a lot of probably most

19:17

opponents generally arguing asked that question

19:19

they would seem that they usually would say something about

19:22

the way that it affects goods

19:25

what it's doing a women know all that

19:27

kind of stuff and all of that is

19:29

really important and at all those are all that they

19:32

all that factors into why i care about the so much why they

19:34

get some point that's not the

19:36

underlying the reason

19:38

why this is important the underlying reason is that

19:40

some gender ideologies and assault

19:42

on truth and truth

19:45

matters for it's own sake there's an inherent

19:47

value to true

19:50

and when something threatens

19:52

true or not you know you can always true that's true to

19:54

get threatening gender thing about it but when

19:56

something threatens our it's our it's

19:58

it's such and such a degree the threatens our

20:01

ability to perceive understands

20:03

her with on on a collective level then

20:06

that's enough reason to considered

20:09

a grave threat and civilization

20:11

and they are you the comparison

20:13

all time what if

20:15

there was a movements out there

20:17

gaining steam the convince

20:19

everyone that squares

20:22

are circles that

20:24

that of the spectrum of square in isn't circle

20:26

know some really they're the same and however now

20:29

if that was i don't walk around every

20:31

day thinking about squared circle i don't care much about

20:33

geometry but if if

20:35

this movement was happening then

20:37

i'd be out there fighting about guess it's i know squares square

20:40

certain circles now i care

20:42

because you're this is a basic truth of reality

20:44

that you are waging assault against and i

20:46

don't want to live in a world where we don't

20:48

know the difference from squares circles and then that

20:51

to go too far do with his analogy but a

20:55

first becomes the just as abstract matter

20:57

of truth okay but

20:59

then if you actually abandon this

21:01

truth and sale doesn't matter squares as circles

21:03

a circle of squares then you start to see the

21:05

real practical implications

21:07

a because how do you have a how

21:10

do you build anything how do you have architecture

21:12

in a in a world where no one understands

21:14

geometry right and actually no buildings

21:16

collapsing on people's heads the

21:20

though once you abandon truth from

21:22

they're they're all is enormously

21:24

perfect consequences and going back to

21:27

gender that's we see first of the abandonment of truth

21:30

consequence of that women

21:32

lose their identities really their identities

21:35

are appropriate if they lose their privacy lose

21:37

their rights children are victimized the

21:40

but that all grows from this kind of root of

21:43

bannon truth yeah absolutely i think

21:45

following on from that as well something that i

21:47

think is deeply concerning about it who

21:50

do things actually ah number one

21:52

is that it sets a very

21:55

dangerous precedent because there

21:58

are

21:59

there

21:59

there's not really a more fundamental

22:02

and self evident and obvious truth

22:04

as the fact that there are men and

22:06

women boys and girls and that males and females

22:08

are

22:10

no we have been in all across

22:12

species as little as leery how we've all got your

22:14

everyone birth on this planet was birth

22:16

from a woman and if

22:18

you can convince millions or billions

22:21

of people that people that not

22:23

the case

22:24

then you can convince them of

22:27

anything right there are there are many

22:29

many things that would fall out from

22:31

that and another point of it

22:33

which is our you you brought up the

22:36

the issue with kids and you talked about the send your documentary

22:39

but appointed appointed seen many

22:41

people make and maybe because it's

22:43

it's very uncomfortable but to me

22:45

it's a very obvious gateway to be to philly

22:48

because if people are advocating that a an

22:50

eight year old a ten year old a twelve year old

22:52

whatever can consent the

22:55

to the gender transition

22:57

and something that will permanently alter them perhaps

22:59

render them in fertile the rest of your

23:01

rest of their life you're saying that you can make that decision

23:04

at twelve then you are

23:06

also crushing the arguments

23:08

against children not being able to

23:11

consent to sexual activity you don't get like

23:13

let's get tattoos you don't let them

23:16

right you don't let the mean adding tattoos retrograde

23:18

example to that's something that's that's permanence i

23:21

say say year old getting a tattoo is

23:24

less the less concerning

23:26

then them going on hormone therapy

23:29

or having their

23:30

genitals removed or anything like that so

23:32

i think it's it's it's a very and especially

23:34

knowing that knowing the history

23:36

the type of people who initially push push

23:38

this type of gender ideology and some of their methods

23:41

and things that they did to me it's like

23:43

with this is a very clear your opening

23:45

a pandora's very very dangerous pandora's

23:47

box year and i don't even know as the

23:49

activist themselves realize

23:51

that are the people advocating it but

23:53

it's a point that i don't against brought up much but

23:56

i think that some real danger of it

23:58

as well then you're exactly right

24:00

it's and it's not the that

24:03

far fetched my conspiracy theory there's a

24:05

as you said there's a logical the

24:08

and to this the time

24:12

the whole argument against the

24:15

against ophelia against

24:18

the , a relationship between an

24:20

adult child the reason we say it's not a relationship

24:23

as possible it's rape if even

24:26

if the child sense

24:28

verbally the not really consent because

24:31

and why is that like what these are these what we say

24:33

and and we all pretend to agree anyway why

24:36

is that it's because a child can that

24:38

matter what they say matter what the child

24:40

even feels like a child

24:43

cannot consent cannot

24:45

because that because of lack

24:48

of formation,

24:50

the

24:52

lack of and neurological development

24:54

of me there's a real real science behind

24:56

this also by the way the

24:59

, the prefrontal cortex which

25:01

which controls are discernment long

25:03

terms decision making that's not

25:05

fully develop and over twenty five so

25:07

they get eight or nine year old

25:11

how far along are they developed in at the morgue hardly

25:13

at all and that's why that's why little kids to stab

25:15

know they , stupid

25:17

impulsive things and we have the catholic a

25:19

trunk they they're not thinking about they

25:22

literally can't even conceive of like what's tomorrow

25:24

going tomorrow be like though

25:27

that's all that's that's what all this is this is

25:29

built on his is on this idea the kids cannot

25:31

make these kinds of decisions for themselves and as you point

25:33

out if you take

25:37

that away and you say oh actually

25:39

kids can

25:40

not only can they make

25:42

these kinds of long term citizens out they

25:45

can make what are essentially sexual

25:47

decisions for themselves with much as any decision

25:49

to but it's not just getting a

25:51

tattoo as you point out that i'll be a lot

25:54

better than doing a gender transition i'd prefer

25:56

that i'm now they're making

25:59

sexual says

25:59

and in it's based on this id also that

26:02

they are like in touch with their

26:04

own sexuality and that we get into

26:06

of into the film the

26:08

your alfred kinsey and and and his

26:12

believe the children are sexual from birth

26:15

and he went to

26:18

the extreme

26:20

extent to the and horrific extends to

26:22

prove this syria is

26:24

if i'm so all of that

26:26

is wrapped together with this gender ideology stuff

26:29

on your your sexualizing kids you're

26:32

claiming that they to make but there are they

26:34

are able to consent to the

26:37

profound life altering decision

26:41

and if that's the case then it's not hard

26:43

to see how all this other stuff it's ushered

26:45

in yeah do find it shocking

26:47

and surprising that it's

26:49

the into this level because

26:52

i feel like throughout my entire

26:54

life

26:55

one hard line that was

26:57

always agreed

26:59

and this abuses across even different

27:02

cultures and countries and societies

27:04

is that when it comes to children

27:07

there's a hard line there and that that's

27:10

not

27:11

that's not something to a blows my

27:13

mind this is this is even a political conversation

27:16

that the things were saying should even be deemed

27:18

conservative or anything like

27:21

that because even people who consider themselves

27:23

liberal or progressive again at

27:25

a decade plus ago we're we're

27:27

not espousing these kind of these

27:29

kind of cookie ideas and and the the

27:32

notion that you know the

27:34

people keep my have the view and of in a

27:36

free society if you're an adult whether

27:39

or not i agree with a you

27:41

agree with it so odd people can

27:43

generally do what they want

27:45

whether or not they should a whole different question but

27:48

we all had this agreement

27:50

in unison that children

27:53

very special case and need to be

27:55

protected and you can just apply the exact

27:57

same rules as you do too

27:59

the a daughter it seems like we're crossing

28:02

a really really dangerous

28:04

line without when it comes to children

28:06

and it also seems very confusing because

28:09

i honestly to be it to be real with you i feel

28:11

like in the west in in the usa there is a very

28:14

is very confused and mixed up

28:16

notion when it comes to

28:19

protecting children

28:20

it seems very contradictory in

28:22

some ways and in some types it's like children

28:25

and their lives don't don't don't matter at all

28:28

whether this is the glorification

28:30

of abortion or this is what we're talking

28:32

about right now and then on another

28:34

hand two minutes later it's like absolutely

28:37

children's lives matter so much and it must be protected

28:40

there's recently been been a school shooting and

28:42

obviously everyone's young people are rallying around

28:44

that and so on a just seems

28:47

odd and contradictory and

28:49

i don't in

28:52

in some ways it feels like kids are similar tenuously

28:55

over and under for vastly

28:57

over protected and vastly under protected

28:59

in our country they'll think

29:01

about the parents

29:03

who

29:05

doesn't want their eight year old to go climb a tree

29:07

the guy they're

29:09

my phone script or near whatever why

29:14

even like a thirteen year old to go

29:17

what you don't ride

29:19

a bike down the street or something like that and yet

29:22

they'll give a phone with

29:24

internet access to the radio the know so

29:28

very worried about certain kinds

29:30

of threats but , others and

29:32

i think it does kind of make

29:35

sense of on a macro level because it's all part

29:37

of its priorities you can put on our heads

29:41

and so you know we hear about helicopter parents

29:44

people up with their kids and bubbles not gonna stop and

29:47

that depending on on what it is your

29:49

protect your child from the something wrong with that i'm not i

29:52

i would like to my kids in a bubble of sorts of

29:54

the helicopter parent in

29:56

end very protective of them

29:59

insert

29:59

ways like i'm going to let my children go run

30:02

around outside and are gonna

30:04

for down sometimes get and get a little bit injured

30:06

and you know you have to the

30:10

right up in ios born and and put a band aid on that

30:13

becomes and you allow them to do and that that those are the kinds

30:15

of that's even certain risks that you allow your kids

30:17

to make you have to just allow

30:19

them to take risks in a controlled environment i'm

30:22

with your oversight because you

30:24

never do that now i'm the international

30:27

or how to take risks and and a healthy way and

30:29

then they're gonna leave home and no

30:31

that's when you end up with they're

30:34

going to get by the wheel the car be drag racing

30:36

austria whatever that dot

30:39

during lived in have taken those kinds of recipes yeah yeah

30:41

taught them how to take out the risks though

30:45

i will do that as then there are

30:47

other kinds of risks that i am not going

30:50

to willingly take with my kids and their

30:52

other things i'm not that other dangers i'm

30:54

not going to willingly

30:56

expose them to and are those

30:58

are the dangers that attack them not

31:00

by giving them skyn nice but

31:03

ak them like at are the sole level

31:06

and go after their minds in their

31:08

their perception of who they are those

31:10

are the kinds of threats that nine year

31:13

old is not

31:13

the pair

31:15

who

31:16

face

31:17

you know

31:18

why don't get like and none of my kids are phones and triumph

31:21

as far as i'm concerned they're never to have a fall within a nexus

31:23

one are living in my in my house i just because

31:26

there's never going to be a time where time going to say

31:28

you know that this will make your life better

31:31

you you're missing something from your life right now

31:33

and it's a phone and somebody give it i'm

31:37

not under the illusion that are never gonna have a phone but

31:39

i'm not gonna be the when a base for digital

31:42

though

31:43

that's my priority as a parent and i look at other parents

31:46

the society in general and it just seems like

31:50

things are kind of flipped upside down there do

31:52

you think that this isn't over correction i

31:54

often say that i think the or countries

31:56

are going to and over correction

31:58

and

31:59

this is something that

32:02

the is potentially

32:04

temporary rather than a long

32:06

term trend and we might look back at this time

32:09

and go to like things got a little bit little

32:11

bit cookie over that decades

32:13

but and i think one reason i feel that have that optimism

32:16

is not because people don't need for i think people

32:18

absolutely do need to fight but i

32:20

think that lies

32:22

can only go on for so long

32:25

and i think that's something that is destructive

32:27

and is that is not actually working

32:30

the people i think it can can persist for a

32:32

while

32:33

but i don't think it can it can go

32:35

on forever so

32:38

how do you feel about that are you especially

32:40

especially as a parent especially apparent i'm

32:42

not apparent yet but how

32:44

do you feel about the trajectory

32:47

where the usa and

32:49

the wider world is going in this

32:52

regard you think this is a a little

32:54

over correction or do you think

32:56

this could lead to something far more

32:59

dangerous what are your thoughts on i

33:01

don't i don't see it correcting itself

33:03

i don't i don't

33:05

gruesome or you're saying at as dot i'm not as

33:07

optimistic about the timeline i guess i think

33:09

that some eventually

33:11

the pendulum will swing back in the direction and

33:15

are the reason is that is that especially comes

33:17

the gender stuff i discovered

33:19

making the film so

33:22

flimsy the

33:24

help of a house of cards that it cannot

33:27

stand for every possible i

33:29

mean when you have this have this worldview

33:31

this ideology that falls apart under

33:33

the slightest bit of scrutiny

33:35

the cannot even answer any questions

33:38

for itself at all then then you have something

33:40

that's very beautiful i'm

33:42

the only problem is it's a generational

33:45

problem as institutional problem

33:47

because the left even

33:49

though it seems like this stuff just came along ten years ago

33:51

and actually done as we get into in the film it's

33:54

been around longer than that and it

33:57

it exploded into the mainstream

33:59

the

33:59

i can the eighteen years

34:02

ago the from the institutions

34:05

they did monsters has receded with

34:07

these ideas

34:08

the

34:09

academia media hollywood

34:13

corporate america government

34:15

and all that and then of funnel

34:17

down at a society from there and

34:20

now it's just claiming entire

34:22

generations of kids the

34:25

what does that mean means that the

34:27

reclaim the culture and

34:30

two

34:34

get this madness add the culture with

34:37

the reclaim institutions and

34:39

we also have to work on a generational like

34:44

what

34:45

i have to have kids and raise my own kids

34:47

to be sane decent people in my kids

34:50

are tempted do the same thing it's like a longer

34:52

process think it's a long term process but

34:55

it's a fight we can win it's just not only one

34:58

before him i hear that of all

35:00

the interviews you didn't hear what is a woman documentary

35:03

which one i mean you had your poker face

35:05

on surrounded talking to some

35:08

really cookie and disingenuous people was

35:10

their particular interview or moment

35:12

which shocked you the

35:15

most

35:17

i think com

35:22

there were certainly moments in it and in each

35:24

interview that were really

35:26

unsettling com and

35:28

especially retards got news and is and of

35:31

female transition to transition male

35:34

now speaking out about the horrors of this so

35:36

called gender affirmation surgery and

35:39

she said she said about just the details of

35:41

what these surgeries actually entail and

35:43

what happens after the fact that i don't know

35:45

when i found shouting

35:46

that

35:47

from each interview especially on the other side with the

35:49

you know the the proponents the people that are pushing

35:51

the stuff what surprised me

35:53

was just the fact that they couldn't answer

35:55

any questions at all i i knew that they couldn't

35:58

answer the question was woman the

36:00

whole premise of the film as they would build answer

36:04

they could answer than a movie when exist right by

36:08

what i didn't realize is that they can't answer

36:10

any other questions i had a lot of questions

36:12

that i wanted ask leading up to that question

36:15

and

36:17

i thought at least the the initial question by

36:20

as we pretty easy the com a softball they

36:22

be able to handle that we could just couldn't move along

36:24

but i found is that these interviews got very tense very quickly

36:27

much quicker than quicker thought because the

36:29

moment i asked even one real question

36:32

the actual question that i want an answer to and that

36:34

was not an opportunity for them to just give a stump speech

36:37

the moment i did that thing started fall apart

36:39

because they then they started when

36:41

second

36:44

this is not someone who necessarily

36:47

shares all of my

36:48

presuppositions

36:50

animated offensive and bed

36:52

the almost immediately they want to walk out the interview which is why

36:55

we heard most of our interview i

36:57

don't right walk out or actually did walk

37:00

out

37:00

the

37:02

the now because of any gotcha questions like i went

37:04

in there and i'm got some gotcha

37:06

thing and arms and the basic

37:08

questions the can answer yeah and the one that

37:10

shocked me the most a maybe two moments the

37:12

one with the the university

37:15

professor and here in tennessee

37:17

ah when when

37:19

can see you youtube using the word truth that

37:22

word truth is condescending

37:24

and deeply is deeply tram real back

37:26

researchers our route yeah that one

37:29

that that just i'll i'll

37:31

almost one who i'd jump jump in the screen and like

37:33

grab the truth he was he was so

37:35

he was so sneaky it's like everything

37:38

was just of that is not an honest there's

37:40

not an honest person who standing on any type

37:42

of foundation at all

37:44

and considering that that's an educator

37:47

and there are

37:48

thousands or lord knows how many people

37:50

like that across the country that's really concerning

37:53

and then of course that i'm though with a woman with

37:55

the blue hair who ah

37:58

when you asked about the lupron

37:59

drug and you she took exception to the were

38:02

drug and then started to

38:04

noticeably shift around and you could say oh

38:07

okay she's

38:08

you know you you you hit that sore point right

38:10

there

38:11

where she's going to have to

38:13

admit vocally what she is

38:15

actually doing and advocating

38:18

for

38:19

and i think it says a lot

38:21

when number one when people are not willing to answer

38:23

on his questions that's a big red flags

38:26

and number two when people are not willing to vocally

38:29

they in clear in clear words

38:31

not with euphemisms but the to

38:33

say what they actually

38:35

believe and stand for

38:37

and are advocating because there's all these

38:39

you euphemisms people come can use on

38:41

various issues and make it sound fluffy

38:44

and nice and so on but when when you really get

38:46

down to eight it's like what you are when

38:48

you are saying what you're doing you

38:51

know it's indefensible and you know it's

38:53

not right which is why you're not willing to stand

38:55

on it and so for me though those

38:57

two moments when i watched it really really

39:00

stuck out yeah i think

39:02

we said before that they're that they're many lies

39:05

that they tell around this the

39:07

protected and

39:09

when you start telling lies

39:11

the everyone no like to start telling

39:14

lies in the auto another wild about one

39:16

another one

39:17

the

39:18

like every episode assigns all george

39:20

costanza like that that's to the humours

39:22

it's due to the one lie after another after another

39:25

arm and it's and kind of a similar thing similar noticed

39:27

and in these interviews with people that the

39:30

first question you ask because they can

39:32

answer any questions and they know that a bit and

39:35

because they know that at the at the score of

39:37

their ideologies just as hollowness is totally

39:39

empty and

39:41

that is his game of evasion and

39:44

you ask one question they kind of evaded

39:46

they give a dishonest answer the ask another

39:48

question is built on that question and it's it's

39:50

like this pile of lies and by after

39:53

a while but they're backed into a corner

39:55

fan either back into the back themselves the point

39:57

where they have to see where they have to say is why

39:59

on things like

40:02

foresee a blue hair one

40:04

the talking about dumb but the gender

40:07

identity of chickens are and i'm

40:09

the chickens cry considers comes was a it's

40:12

like that shit and sit down on the sale any

40:14

a bad but but this is just the

40:16

question she put herself in a position where

40:18

she couldn't even affirm that

40:21

, female chickens lay eggs you couldn't do it

40:23

it she had the make up some story

40:26

about chickens in their gender identity and prime

40:28

chickens it's like this , ends of haven't

40:30

yet she also wouldn't affirmed that santa claus i

40:33

am doesn't exist like secrecy she

40:35

put another position where she literally as a doctor

40:37

could not even say santa claus doesn't

40:40

understand the the

40:42

other kids are that than she would be admitting that

40:45

the first while there is a there is a reality

40:47

a truth and are certain things people can say

40:49

that aren't true and should also be admitting

40:52

that children are the

40:54

prone to believing in

40:58

a wild things later and children don't

41:00

have a real firm grasp on reality

41:02

which is why you can convince them that of batman

41:04

is lying to the or at lightning speed delivering

41:06

present right the and

41:08

up if that's the case the children

41:10

on a firm grasp on reality than how could they possibly

41:13

make statements about their gender that we should take seriously

41:16

he recognizes all these problems in

41:18

her own worldview and so she has to

41:21

keep saying things to avoid the problems

41:23

and the gonna end up

41:25

being a lot of a a lot of humor

41:28

in the film but also lot of the what's

41:31

disturbing and frustrating everly a

41:33

what's been the house if he that been over

41:35

up to they must be coming in from all

41:38

angles over the over the past week

41:41

yeah it's been it's

41:43

been pretty

41:45

overwhelming honestly as we we you

41:48

know we knew we had something special with with

41:50

the film certainly wants waves sinister and

41:54

filming everything it put it together before

41:57

that thing as is after we did the first interview which was

41:59

with

42:01

the therapist

42:03

is it in the first interview in the film also

42:06

the , who was willing to afar

42:08

me as a man as a woman because

42:10

i like scented candles that things

42:12

like in the city and

42:16

after that we gotta looked at each other and

42:18

we left at interviewing like well this is

42:20

we got up and here bomb ,

42:22

we knew also did this is the strategy is

42:24

to warn quite sure either like how

42:26

do we go into these interviews what should we be doing there

42:29

is a part of me that are i wanted to go in there and like

42:31

all these people to account and to argue

42:34

with them but after

42:36

that we realize know this know this play totally

42:39

straight know

42:41

and

42:42

so

42:43

we knew we had our but i but is also question to me

42:45

of of ah how

42:47

the people respond to it and would we

42:49

be able to which was our goal get

42:52

this film outside of the conservative

42:55

podcast audience bubble where

42:57

i spend most of my time and

43:00

we create something that breaks through that

43:03

and the

43:05

next without of a larger audience including an audience

43:07

of people don't identify as political conservatism

43:10

and capital

43:13

about whether we bellucci that by

43:15

so far it's it's the

43:18

work ethic as awesome am known as the

43:20

documentaries been fantastic it

43:23

it was i watched it twice

43:25

in the of shared it with lot of people

43:27

and

43:29

honestly like i like to give props were props

43:31

are do and i don't think they're very

43:33

many people could have

43:35

done it so well i think your personality type

43:38

and your

43:39

ability to deliver an honest

43:41

in situ not laugh out loud at some stuff and

43:43

also to not get visibly

43:46

angry at santa some of that stuff

43:48

like

43:49

it's not

43:50

nadia

43:51

that's not easy because i myself

43:53

was watching an obama of got very cool head and

43:56

i myself was myself was i don't know if i would have been able

43:58

to hold my composure whenever

43:59

than just said that thing so congrats

44:02

on the documentary on before

44:05

we no doubt before we wrap up

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is there any what was the main

44:09

message that you'd want people their

44:11

particular message you want people to

44:13

get from it

44:14

the to think about i think i'm

44:18

one thing of we wanted people to

44:20

take away from this is what

44:23

kind of a negative and is is just how bad

44:27

this is how pervasive it as and that it's not

44:29

just some friends thing on tic toc or whatever

44:31

you want to tell yourself that this

44:33

this and you

44:36

have to confront it it's it's not an

44:38

option

44:40

the just

44:41

hide somewhere and i hope it all just

44:43

goes away and everyone wakes up one

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day

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then again

44:49

that's not gonna happen unless we made a habit so

44:52

let's the one thing and thing and heard

44:54

from love devices like they told me

44:57

i don't know about it wasn't i saw the phone so

44:59

that's that's good that gotten so bad

45:02

that people are taking that away from the

45:05

but then on a positive side once you realize how bad

45:07

it is the next thing i want people to realize

45:09

from the film is as we talked about how bw

45:13

this ideology is and how to be there's no

45:15

way you beat it is by

45:17

be first while being willing to stand

45:19

up a look at in the in the eyes and ask

45:23

your questions you know such as ask baited little

45:25

bit of skepticism is always needed him one

45:27

question and you wanna do on ask as she before we wrap

45:29

up because someone asked me this actually recently

45:32

at an event i spoke

45:34

and was actually your parents

45:37

whose child ,

45:39

number son or daughter is

45:42

the been indoctrinated into this

45:44

for lack of a better term ethic was

45:46

like

45:47

nine or ten year old

45:48

who wants to

45:50

change their gender arm

45:53

for any parents out there or

45:56

just concerned adults and in general

45:58

what would be

45:59

the and you oh she was a she was a christian

46:02

as well so i think she was she was also

46:04

quite shocked

46:05

the

46:06

or child was taken up by this because of

46:08

our she's been raised

46:11

what

46:13

what what sort of and you have any sort of answer or

46:15

words for someone like

46:17

that because i'm i'm rarely

46:20

hot without a decent answer about

46:22

on that one i i was

46:25

what i myself wasn't really sure what

46:27

to say especially not being a parent myself

46:31

i think com the

46:34

great struggle even with even

46:37

apart from the gender stuff in general for

46:39

for parents in the modern world his

46:42

arm the whole hold onto

46:44

your kids to there

46:46

is a book written we've gone hold onto your

46:48

kids years ago com

46:50

about this problem of how do you keep

46:53

your kids connected to you and looking to you

46:56

for guidance rather than looking

46:59

to their peers and looking to all in all

47:01

their phones and everything else though

47:04

especially comes a gender thing it's never been more important

47:07

to do to do that of hold onto your kids

47:10

maybe not physically bye physically keep

47:13

them centered okay

47:15

given give them a place away

47:18

from all the madness

47:20

that develop some everywhere and

47:22

i'm what that means as for one

47:24

thing if if you can don't

47:27

than a public school and that's the number one thing

47:29

a parents can do with specially with this issue to

47:32

protect your kids don't on political the

47:34

home school and but if you can't do that nano not all

47:36

parents can or even if you can do that

47:39

moment both

47:40

there's a

47:41

the next thing is to

47:44

force them the live

47:47

their lives with

47:49

you in in the present with

47:51

you in that physical environment not getting

47:53

lost in their phones cause

47:56

that's where so much in this stuff comes from sounds cliched yeah

47:59

right to blame [unk] the internet but man

48:01

so much of this really just comes down to that

48:04

so much

48:05

the

48:07

the problem for like if they go to school

48:09

in earnest appear environment without a peer

48:11

pressure eminem

48:15

they leave school but i don't really we've got together phones

48:17

i can never escape the can never escape ah

48:20

so give them an escape give them an oasis

48:22

which oasis your home and your family where

48:25

they can really be them who they really are

48:27

they'll be them at their actual selves

48:29

the

48:30

that's the best we can do his parents

48:33

amazing that thank you so much

48:35

for the conversation astral

48:37

respect and congrats on everything you're doing and

48:39

are you can check out the movie at what

48:42

is a woman dot com highly recommend

48:44

it it's super insightful it's

48:46

funny and it's also frankly quite

48:48

terrifying

48:49

let me check present national

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that prisoner