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Crime. Hello

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everyone, and welcome back to another episode of

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Real Time Crime. I'm your host Leo Lamar, and

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I have with me my favorite sometimes

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Dmitri Dmitri.

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That started off as like a roller coaster.

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It was like I could feel it was ticking up and I was like, this

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is gonna be such a nice introduction, and then it flatlined.

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Well, the thing is that the second I said my favorite,

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I knew you were just going to have our remark about that,

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and I just wasn't prepared for it. No, to

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be honest, that I was going to let that go because

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it's like you know, when a cat comes near you, you you don't

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want to scare it off because it won't come back. So when

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you called me favorite, I wasn't

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going to mention it because I was like, she won't do it again if I

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make a big deal out of it. And here we are. This

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is like when I never told my sister, I know I'm the favorite

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because you just make a huge deal about it, you know,

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right, I didn't know you had a sister. Well, like I said,

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anyway, moving on, so we'll

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be talking about a lot of in Doble.

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Uh let me rephrase that

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incredibly insane stories

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today. The first hot topic

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we'll be talking about is a home invasion suspect

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busted after leaving school assignment

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in car. The next is USPS

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stopping delivering to a specific neighborhood

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in California after repeated attacks,

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and then an Only Fans star killing

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her boyfriend allegedly, and

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then the death of Conrad Roy. I'm

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sure you guys have heard about this case. It is

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about the texting suicide

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case. And lastly,

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we have a very special guest with us today,

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Dog the Bounty Hunters

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found us even I'm

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very excited about this, especially because I'm

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not sure if you guys remember this, but I will tell this dog

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when he gets here. When we started the

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podcast, it was all about Gabby Petito and

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Brian Laundry, and Dog was a huge

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part of that. Dog We brought

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Dog in and by we, I

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mean America. He was called

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in um to come and try to

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track down Brian and

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so we talked about him early, early, and

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like the maybe the first two or three episodes

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of this podcast. So I'm excited to see

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what he's up to. Now we all know that

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he did just get kicked off the Math Singer,

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So we're gonna be really gentle. Yeah,

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that's that. That'll that'll rattle anybody.

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I mean truly. I loved his costume, the

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armadillo so cool. Yeah. But

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but when when we talked about Dog early on, when he

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said about the Gabby Petito stuff that was he

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was like to me, he was like somebody.

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I knew he was real, but I never thought,

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Hey, Dog's gonna join us one day and today's

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that day. Today's that day. Look at us, baby,

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look at us. Now we made

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it all right. So let's jump

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into our hot topics today. First of all,

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we've got a home invasion suspect busted

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after leaving school assignment in car.

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It just reads like an onion article. A

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teenager wanted over a deadly

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Las Vegas home invasion was busted after leaving

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his homework in the getaway car. Math

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homework featuring Camari Oliver's name

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was found in the backpack inside the car in March after

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the suspects crashed into a while outside

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the victim's home and fled on foot. Inside

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the backpack was a school chromebook along with

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a notebook of schoolwork, specifically math work,

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and in the top right corner of

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the schoolwork, the name Camari Oliver and

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fifth period were written. Cops arrested

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the eighteen year old at Las Vegas Valley High School

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last week after realizing he had

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an unexplained absence for the last two

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periods on the day of the deadly home invasion.

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Okay, so, Dmitri, do we think it

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was actually him? Do we think it was just a coincidence

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that his backpack was in the car? I

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mean, the first first thing is first is it's so

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stupid that it makes you think someone

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had to have taken that to frame them. But it

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doesn't. I mean, it doesn't seem like that. It seems like it's

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just a stupid move. He didn't even say my

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backpack I've stolen, so that

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eliminates the framing part. That's

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number one. Number two, so he doesn't

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have any prior criminal history, and

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I'm wondering if they're going to try him as an adult or a juvenile.

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But the thing is that they're saying, will he get

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away with it? He

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he allegedly or someone in

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his crew murdered a twenty four year old

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woman, Right, so

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someone needs to go to jail. Right,

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You don't get to just murder, someone burglarized

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them and then walk away scott free.

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You're eighteen years old. Sounds like you're

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you're not being tried as a juvenile

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in my opinion, I agree. And

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it's bizarre though, because like the guy had his

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home, like clearly he's not just like I

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mean, he had his homework, he had it written on top,

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and he had it with him, so clearly he must do homework

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and stuff like that. So it's a little bit of a cross

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as to what type of character this guy really is. Did

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he get caught up in something. Is it back to the future

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too, when they came and they were like Marty Jr.

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Come do this thing with us, and he just did it and

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it ruined the rest of his life or I don't know, Like I'm

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curious to see how what I'm saying. So he's

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been charge with murder, robbery,

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burglary, and kidnapping. And in addition

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to the backpop backpack cops that they found

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five thousand dollars in the getaway car. So

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I don't know whether he just got wrangled

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into going with his friends or

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you know, in the car also crashed. That's

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how they caught him. Well,

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and then got the backpack as well. But

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they're saying that his attorney is saying that the team wasn't

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involved in the murder, and the evidence is going to

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show that he never went inside the house,

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so he still knew what was going on even if

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he never went into the house. And the girl's boyfriend

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was known for selling high end jewelry on Instagram,

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so I'm assuming that

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they thought that they would find a lot of jewelry.

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They didn't mean to kill anyone, and

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then there was some sort of gunfire, and

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now we are where we are, and

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and lives are changed forever and

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and unfortunately ended as well, I think,

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you know, and not that hopefully

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no one that's listening is thinking about doing a crime.

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But it's like, this is what you really got to think through what

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you're doing. Oh listen, let's skip two periods.

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We'll go get some some jewelry from this house.

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We'll have some money. Ship. You don't just

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don't know how things are going to play out. And yeah,

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I also like that. It's like, oh, but it was his first

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murder, so does he have to go to jail.

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It's like, yeah, you go, you go to

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jail in the first murder. I don't care

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if it's the only murder you know, This wasn't

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It's like you didn't even really know these people, did

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you? You just not

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that that makes it better. It makes it worse in my opinion.

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Actually, actually now it's

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all bad. It's all really bad.

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I think he's a I think I hope

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they find the rest of the guys. I

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wonder if what will happen is they end up getting

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him to say the rest of the names and then

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giving him a lesser jail sentence. I

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mean, I usually what they what they do, and so

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I don't see what you're eighteen years old? I mean, what's

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the point you're gonna you canna hold on to those names?

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No, you're gonna cough him up because

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as you want, especially if you hire life in jail,

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especially if you're your thing is that, oh, he

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didn't know what was happening, He never went into the place.

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If you really think you're that innocent,

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then cough up those names. Yep? Who

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are you? Who are you? Who are you laying down for? Then? All

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right, Dmitri, I agree,

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let's move on to our next hot topic. Speaking

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of who are you laying down for? The

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USPS has laid

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down there delivery

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of the mail and is

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stopping service to a certain

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neighborhood in Santa Monica because

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of repeated tax on mail carrier since January.

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The first incident happened on January nine, when

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a resident living near the intersection of fourteen

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and Arizona Avenue allegedly swung

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a broomstick at one carrier delivering mail

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in the early evening hours. The

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carrier was not injured in the tech

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apparently, and then months later, residents

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recently received notices from the USPS informing

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them that the reservice has hereby

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been suspended to all addresses located

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in the block of fourteen Street. The

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notice explained that multiple carriers have been subjected

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to assault and threats of assault from an individual

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who has not been located or apprehended.

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Is this a little drastic, It's it's

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drastic, it's dramatic. I mean, what

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do you do? Right, You're walking to school right

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as a kid? A bully picks on you.

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What do you do you find someone to go with

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you? The first thing that you find

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a broomstick and swinging at swinging at him? Right,

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No, but they should be sending an

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armed police officer on the route, Like, you

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don't just stop delivering to everybody because

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someone's swinging a broomstick. Also,

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I'm just like, did you that

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person's wife? Mean no, oh,

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you mean got it? Oh because

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the stopping by the house all the time.

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Sure, yeah, exactly. We don't know what's happening

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there. You know, maybe maybe you would

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want to swing the broomstick. You know, maybe this has nothing

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to do with someone not

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wanting their mail. I mean, like, why are we swinging

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the broomstick? That's the first question we gotta ask.

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And by the way, it's there's people everywhere,

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like a little office stuff. That's not a terrible neighborhood

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fourteen in Arizona and Santa Monica. No,

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it seems too random. It's like, oh, you should stop

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serving mail in Venice where there

9:16

are people just out in the streets going crazy. They're talking

9:18

about a legitimate resident who

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has an issue, so clearly they know which

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house it is. Right, change up the

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routes, give somebody else that route. If

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it's a personal thing, right, just

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send an officer, like you don't just stop. That's

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your job. Your job is to deliver the mail. And

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I'm talking about the whole USPS. So you don't

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just be like, hey, guys, listen, it

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was crazy windy, so we're not in that in that alley,

9:40

so we're not going to deliver it there anymore. It's like, you can't

9:42

just come up with something that to me, this Obviously

9:45

I don't want the person to get hurt or anything, but this

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is a little benign. We haven't been able to identify them.

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Then identify them, right, yeah,

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I mean their job is to deliver promotional

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materials. Will never open and my tax

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turns and that's it,

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which I

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mean someone else will. I won't. But you know, all

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right, let's move on to this next

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case that this is absolutely

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insane and only

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van star Corney Taylor confronted at a

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hotel bar over killing her boyfriend.

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I just want to say, if you have not watched

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the TMZ footage, there

10:25

are two different videos, one of

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her getting a confronted at this hotel

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bar, which is confirmed her by

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the way, she's with her dad and

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this other woman is filming her and saying, yeah, you

10:38

should go because you just killed your boyfriend.

10:40

Yeah you did. It's

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so wild. And then the other

10:45

footage is very shocking, and she's

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wearing a tankini braw

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let and white pants and she's soaked

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in blood, sitting on the floor and handcuffs.

10:58

I'm actually this feels a little

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Logan Polly to me, where I'm just like, why

11:03

are we posting this on the internet? But then I guess,

11:06

you know, we see crazy

11:08

stuff on the news all the time, all

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right. So Courtney Clenny, she

11:13

is years old and she's known

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on social media as Courtney Taylor, was

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taken to a mental institution after

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Christian Opum Sally was

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stabbed to death. That's allegedly

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her boyfriend, the cops said. A

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video has now emerged on Instagram showing someone filming

11:30

a blonde woman in the barb of Miami's Grand Beach

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Hotel Friday night. As

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I told you, she was with her dad and

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they get up and leave after this altercation.

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The investigation into the death is ongoing

11:44

and she hasn't been arrested or charged

11:46

with a crime. The new footage

11:48

comes days just after Clenny

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was pictured handcuffed and drenched and blood

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moments after he was stabbed to death.

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Like I said, the footage is on TMC and

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she's wearing bag basically like a crop top, white pants

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covered in blood. Her arm appears

12:03

to be held back, like she's being

12:06

handcuffed, and

12:09

this is I'm

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just this is I'm baffled by human beings.

12:13

Yeah, well, a lot of questions. So was she handcuffed?

12:16

Was that like the police had arrived at the scene and she

12:18

was handcuffed and being detained because she was freaking

12:20

out? I mean did she and

12:22

how did this person like for this person to approach and

12:25

be like, yeah, you should go. You just it all

12:27

seems a little right,

12:29

like why hasn't she been charged yet? Right?

12:32

Do you think, well, she'll end up getting charged. Do

12:34

you think they'll just send

12:37

her to the mental institutions? Say it was insanity.

12:39

I mean the other thing is when you read reports about this,

12:42

apparently they had violent

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interactions in the past. Some

12:47

people were even saying, you know that

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he was trying to take her into some sort

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of like human trafficking ring.

12:54

I mean, it's very confusing. I think

12:56

that there's always two sides to every story. I wish

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we were talking about Johnny deppany and for her today

13:00

speaking of two sides to every story, where

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you just don't really know who to believe. But in

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a situation like this, it's clear that

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there were previous arguments, previous

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fights, previous violence which

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was agreed upon by their friends,

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And I just I

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think no, I just think

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it's clear that she took

13:23

matters into her own hands killed him

13:26

and allegedly and whether

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or not this was a moment of temporary insanity

13:31

or she was she was

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defending herself. Some people are saying it's self defense.

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We won't know until we get more details.

13:40

There's a lot that can be read into behavior

13:42

after an event. That's why I had a problem

13:44

with Will Smith dancing at his at his party, at the

13:46

Oscar party, in the post Oscar party. But this thing

13:49

if whether you did this or not, he was

13:51

indeed he wasn't fact your boyfriend, right? Why

13:54

is the is she with her dad in like

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a hotel bar, like just fucking

13:58

laylow for a little while, Whether you did it or not, I

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don't get. I don't get the whatever

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it is in their brains that says, okay, it's okay for me

14:05

to go on and just do life normally. Like

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there's a disconnect there, And to me, that's

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the scariest thing. I completely agree,

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you know, what we are gonna

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go to a quick break because

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our guest has arrived and we got to

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bring him in. I'm

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so excited. Don't touch that dial.

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We'll be right back. Friends, don't

14:27

commit a crime while we're waiting

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for Dog in the zoom

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lobby. I

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was trying to find a rhyming word, just didn't come O k brbeah

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and we're back, you guys,

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I am so excited to introduce

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our guests for today. It is an honor

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that he's here. Duane Lee Chapman,

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also known his Dog the Bounty Hunter. You

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guys, you already know him and love him. He's an American

15:04

television personality, a bounty hunter

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and former bail bondsman. He

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came to international notice as a bounty hunter

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for his successful capture of Max Factor

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Air Andrew Luster in Mexico

15:15

in two thousand three, and the following year was given

15:17

his own series, Dog the Bounty Hunter on

15:20

A and E. After Dog the Bounty

15:22

Hunter ended, Chapman appeared in A Dog

15:24

and Beth on the Hunt, a similarly

15:27

format a TV show, alongside his wife and business

15:29

partner, The Late Best Chapman. On CMT

15:32

his series Dogs Most Wanted debut on

15:34

w G in America in late and

15:37

most recently, he was Armadillo

15:39

on season seven of The Masked Singer

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Dog. Thank you for coming on the podcast.

15:46

Hello Dog, you

15:50

look fabulous? Yeah,

15:53

and Dog, who are we wearing today?

15:58

Oh kindness Francia, Uh

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alright, well, let's just hop

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right to it because we and we know we've

16:09

got a limited amount of time with you, and we're so excited

16:11

you're here today. Thank you for having

16:13

me. Oh, Dog is a pleasure.

16:16

Okay, So we know we

16:19

want to get into the crime stuff, but we really

16:21

got to talk about the masks singer. Okay,

16:24

thank you. Oh you were so

16:26

great as the Armadilloh, we

16:29

just loved you. How

16:32

do you feel after coming out

16:34

of the show. We know it was probably

16:36

so hard to sing in that costume, right, well,

16:39

it's hard to walk all

16:42

your all your senses but smell are

16:44

cut off. You cannot see. That's why the

16:46

men in black lead everyone, not just

16:48

me. You got boots

16:50

glued into boots. It's

16:53

my My costume was one of

16:55

the light ones. Was to two hundred thirty sub

16:57

pounds. Wore

17:00

layers of clothing in case you fall. We

17:03

are we gonna talk about that four layers

17:05

of clothing. It is a hundred and

17:07

ten degrees in there. And then they're like,

17:09

here's the mic, and I'm like,

17:12

well, am I gonna pan of mine? Or you've got somebody

17:14

humming in the background, James Brown or something. Oh

17:16

no, no, no, no, You're gonna sing into

17:18

that microphone, take a deep breath, and it's on,

17:20

Dog Eaton, Like what

17:25

and of all the times in your life when you thought someday,

17:28

I'm gonna dress up as an armadillo and I'm just gonna

17:30

sing in front of an audience, he thought it would be more glamorous

17:32

than this. I bet yes. And every

17:35

as you mentioned armadillo, every we

17:37

tried, because we've been guests before, Dog

17:40

Valley Enter, every clue,

17:42

every shotka, every question

17:45

was a clue. The clue hunter

17:48

was now the clue giver. Adello

17:53

were armor like I do, bulletroo

17:55

vest as they're young, they're called

17:57

a puppy. There were a lot of things.

18:00

The songs, you know, the questions

18:02

Nick asked me, the panel we tried

18:05

to hint our way to Heaven. I mean, it was

18:08

it's a credible show, so

18:10

you enjoy it oh so

18:13

much. Yes, it's one of the you

18:15

know that's having fun my

18:17

job, and usually my shows are very

18:19

dangerous. Well this was

18:21

dangerous too, you could you know? One guy said

18:23

stop right now, you're gonna step off the stage.

18:26

So uh yeah,

18:30

whoa, it was something

18:32

And it's just been a day since, you know, it happened,

18:34

So it's starting to sink in now,

18:37

and you have no idea. You're

18:39

like when the FBI get someone

18:41

to tell on a murder or something,

18:44

you know how they bring in in the mask and you

18:46

from the gate from the hotel route

18:48

to the studio inside

18:51

the studio, gloves separate

18:53

to your chin, mask on you.

18:56

They have no idea. I'm

18:58

pretty good at the investigation. Behind

19:01

the investigation. Even

19:03

the valet guys wouldn't tell me. I

19:05

mean, I was trying to find out who am I competing

19:08

with? You? Really, you have

19:10

no idea. Last night

19:13

was the first time that

19:15

I saw who was there because

19:17

I'm watching as everyone else's, so

19:20

it is a big deal. It's a it's a secret

19:22

agent man show. It's incredible.

19:24

Were you surprised by some of the people. Oh,

19:28

yes, I was surprised. Do you mean that have been

19:30

on? Oh yeah,

19:32

I wanted Shaka Khan was.

19:34

I mean there's some pro singers

19:37

there, you know, and everyone

19:40

had a great time. And I heard

19:43

him saying that, what a great time, And

19:45

I didn't realize, you know, how great of a time

19:47

it really was. Is it bitter

19:49

sweet to not realize it until you're

19:52

gone? No, it

19:54

builds up as you go. Each time

19:56

you succeed and get by the next round,

19:58

I guess you call it. You get more

20:00

confidence and more encouragement from

20:03

the staff, and you know, Francis

20:05

there, go baby, go show dog. You get

20:07

out there. Though, you know, you're just

20:09

like whoa? You feel like you're always on

20:11

the one yard line. I mean it's like,

20:14

whoa, what a rush?

20:17

Do you think it's crazy? People thought you were Rudy Giuliani?

20:21

Oh did they? Oh?

20:23

Did they? Who's that? Just

20:25

the internet? Oh who's

20:28

Rudy? What's his Name's

20:30

a politician in New York? Not

20:32

important, it's not important. So

20:35

do you feel like you know you might know who the last

20:37

few people are? Oh?

20:39

No, you hear him? I mean yeah,

20:42

they like, oh do you hear him? They give

20:44

me goose bumps. M Oh,

20:46

I was like, oh, no, wonder,

20:48

I mean they are incredible. There

20:51

are top singers in America and in

20:54

London on this show. I mean

20:56

they can they she's

20:59

saying that. Last night I was like, oh,

21:01

dear Lord, I mean, there

21:03

there's some good I'm gonna I can't wait to see

21:05

who I bet it. There's a tie, you

21:09

think? So? Yes, I

21:11

guarantee none of them can hunt down a criminal like

21:13

you, though, I

21:15

get to go back to that. Is

21:18

everyone to be talking career change? Are you going back to

21:20

that? No, We're gonna stick

21:22

with what I've done for forty some years, and that's

21:24

crab fighting and evolving.

21:27

And yes, sir, good do

21:29

you think you'll be able to reuse the armadillo

21:31

costume trying to find someone

21:33

just camouflage in the background.

21:36

I think of something.

21:41

It's armadillo, also

21:43

known as the dog. That

21:47

would be amazing. I love. I love

21:49

that dog is intentional because

21:52

it's God spelled backwards. Yes,

21:55

years when I was fourteen years old, I was named

21:57

that and I got since you

21:59

bring him up, think you have Easter? I

22:01

got to sing a Christians song and you

22:03

know, I was so. I was in

22:06

the spirit world system.

22:08

I was there. I never went so stoned

22:11

in my life I was there. It

22:13

was Oh. I was like, oh

22:15

my god, without a hangover. I

22:17

was so let me tell

22:20

you, it was incredible. It

22:22

was amazing, goose bumps floating.

22:25

I'm like, oh my god, mother,

22:27

behold I suh. I was so

22:29

happy. I was like, what a

22:31

great thing. And everybody could watch

22:34

and you don't got to keep the kids out right, you

22:36

can't watch tight your head right. I

22:38

love. I love this side of you. You're like, you know, you're

22:40

you're so I mean, you've obviously got a great personality,

22:43

but you're so business when you're rightfully

22:45

so when you're hunting down criminals and people on the

22:47

run, isn't that But you were like, you know, you're

22:49

like a kid on on Christmas morning here talking

22:51

about this Diggs.

22:53

Want to know one brother, I

22:58

can already tell

23:00

you know. It was something that I once

23:03

I opened my mouth and stuck in my

23:05

pootos I sometimes do with not

23:08

using now with Francy, I said I'll

23:10

do it. So I

23:12

chose yes, right, So I knew that

23:14

I was obligating again, especially

23:17

when you get out there and they shoved you and say go, what

23:21

do you do? Go? I can't do it?

23:24

No, you can't do that. So

23:26

it was it's really really

23:28

a fun show. My celebrity friends, I've

23:30

got a few have been called me this morning,

23:33

going dog, How do you get on the job?

23:36

Do I get a convention? Everybody's

23:42

like whoa man? And

23:44

I don't say now stop. You gotta see

23:47

you gotta be able to perform. You gotta walk around

23:49

this rim and pound suit. This is

23:51

a tough stuff. You're isolated

23:55

you. They isolated us. Even

23:57

the delivery guy couldn't see us.

24:00

It was like, you're not existent,

24:02

you know what I mean. It's really

24:05

uh tight tight bit. Did

24:08

you feel nervous when you would go

24:10

on stage? I just assumed

24:12

someone like you who's trying to hunt

24:15

down convicted felons and

24:17

murderers and all these terrible

24:20

people. You're also just

24:22

going on stage in front of, you know, thousands

24:24

of people, singing in a costume. But did

24:27

that make you more nervous than going

24:29

and finding criminals? Oh

24:32

so much more?

24:33

When you're when I'm feeling my

24:35

show, you can't tell the guy

24:38

I missed the shot? Can we tell you again?

24:40

Because it's real? But you

24:42

can you know, if you

24:44

stick your finger in your nose or something, or

24:47

your ear you can would you please

24:49

cut that? You can't do that right

24:52

and because the lawyers, we can't cut much.

24:54

So this is no cutting.

24:58

This is if you got

25:00

it, flaw on it, if you don't get out.

25:03

I mean it was like, no, this is

25:05

I would never do this again. It

25:10

was so uh,

25:13

non customary to me to dance

25:15

around. I've got a lot of kids and invited

25:17

dance and say that'd be like they head, please stop.

25:20

So it was just incredible.

25:24

So now that you're back to so you're

25:27

going back to your regular career, right,

25:30

how do you how do you do? You?

25:32

Have you already picked? Like what are you off to now? Or

25:34

does something? Do they come to you or do you just say you

25:36

know? This seems similar to the Brian laundry

25:38

case where you were like people were like we need dog and

25:40

you were like dogs on it?

25:42

Is there something that you just like seeing You're like that

25:45

they need me on that? Or do they come to you? How

25:47

does that work? I'm glad you're asking me. So

25:49

for about three years because Betson

25:51

happened. Now this is the third year and

25:54

Francis former husband and having

25:56

four years we took

25:58

off. I couldn't work.

26:00

I had to be right there all the time. Uh,

26:04

we're back. We grieved so hard.

26:07

We're back. Okay, so

26:09

we're right now. We're doing a show called Dog, the

26:11

Bounty Hunter and the Essentials, and

26:14

that is for those are guys and girls that

26:16

have either retired like they the

26:18

Fens retired you in your early fifties.

26:22

The Bible says you don't get wisdom and knowledge

26:24

till in the fifties and gaining These

26:26

guys are incredible. A couple

26:28

of my kids are in it. And we're going

26:31

after people that pedophiles.

26:34

We're going after wanted guys that killed girls.

26:36

Remember we just found two bodies. We got

26:38

down there with Brian Laundry. We brought

26:41

all that media that case. Believe me, also,

26:43

as you know, is not over. But

26:45

uh, we gotta make a difference now.

26:47

So we got I did. I'm doing an

26:50

n f T. I just joined the sand Box.

26:53

We're doing uh Simon

26:55

and Schuster. We're doing

26:57

a new book that uh this Dog

27:00

has nine lives and still counting. You

27:02

know, things are happening out because we're

27:04

back to work. My

27:07

Franchie is very spiritual and

27:09

so am I, and she's supervising

27:11

me and I just it's

27:15

just incredible. So

27:17

as long as I stay busy like that and things

27:20

going on, you know, then I'm happy.

27:22

Because I worked hard on

27:24

some of the mounties. You've got to go twenty four thirty

27:27

six hours without drugs and

27:29

barely coffee. You gotta, you

27:31

know, So to work hard like that and to get

27:33

a good reward at the end of that work is

27:36

worth it. That's what I do it for. And

27:38

I used to box, right, and I didn't like

27:41

hitting that much kind of but I

27:43

didn't like to get hit. But the cheer

27:45

of the crowd and I walked in and I got done.

27:47

Yeah, dog done. Oh that's

27:50

what I love. I don't know what that's

27:52

called, but and the mass singer they

27:54

were cheering me go, dog you go. When

27:56

you bring a fugitive and the mother that's

27:58

his mother or the grandma or the

28:01

thank you dog, I

28:04

live for that. I don't know. There must be some kind

28:06

of something about it, but

28:08

I just live for for that.

28:12

Yeah, I relate

28:14

to that. I'm a stand up comedian and so

28:16

anytime the audience laughs or applaudse,

28:19

I just feel like I've

28:21

done a service or I've done my job.

28:23

And it feels so good to be of service to other people.

28:26

I just wanted to quickly go back to your n f T

28:28

because I'm super into the crypto web three space.

28:31

Are you doing a full collection? And when

28:33

is it? When do you plan to drop? Yes,

28:35

they're dropping soon. And I'm in the sad

28:38

box too. This is amazing.

28:40

Okay, and there and

28:42

they're your age. Is that impolite

28:44

to say to you? With each

28:47

generation biblically and we see

28:50

get smarter. So then

28:53

you guys are incredible that

28:55

some of the stuff you're doing. So we're jumping

28:57

in there in Francis. It's

29:00

great. We love it because you get

29:02

your message out and people have fun. You

29:04

know, people can stand at the line and the bank

29:07

and and play it. We're doing

29:09

a video game now where kind of like

29:11

Jimunji, where you push the button you see

29:13

what the things are, what

29:16

the criminals weakness, sar is

29:19

you know how not to be a victim?

29:21

You know, park across street from a bank, don't

29:23

park across the street from you

29:25

know, a different liquor store. I

29:27

mean, there's so many things. Watch

29:30

it when you pull up to a when

29:32

you got your little sticker for a Handicap signed

29:35

because that's the first car the criminals hit.

29:37

I mean there's a lot of things that will be able

29:40

to do with with the new

29:42

the metaverse and and the video game

29:44

and f t S and all that. Well, you know, Snoop

29:47

Dogg loves Sandbox. I

29:49

feel like you two should do a collaboration, Snoop

29:52

dog the bounty Hunter. Listen

29:54

ideas you

29:57

have, uh, you have discernment,

29:59

sister. We're working on that right

30:01

now. Why people with Snoop people?

30:04

We he wanted to go on a bounty

30:07

with me and we were going to do the

30:09

celebrity right along and Snoop said to

30:11

me, I double dog Darren

30:13

to run. Yeah,

30:18

you two on a show together. Is already

30:20

an instant hit. Yes, absolutely

30:23

instant hit. Wow. I can't believe that I

30:26

called this. Rolling

30:28

up to a crime scene in his his Laker

30:30

mobile, I could see that that's who you're getting out,

30:32

like Starsky and Hutch he's smoking

30:34

a joint. Yeah, and you

30:37

imagine the guys, you know, doing something

30:39

whatever like Stallone lost his son.

30:41

I mean there's a lot of things, uh

30:44

that that different celebrities. You put

30:46

them in the back seat, ride with the fugitive.

30:48

You need to change your life right now, you

30:51

know, Charlie Sheen, I did that stuff.

30:53

Look where it lad snoop DOGG

30:56

do it? Or you've got a problem.

30:58

I mean they're you know that right there

31:01

is very compelling and I like to you

31:03

know all, I like to do that. Well,

31:06

going back to something you said, by the way,

31:09

because I have been

31:11

obsessed with the Gabby Petito Brian

31:13

laundry case. That's actually why we started this podcast,

31:16

and so we referenced you some

31:19

point episodes one through three because

31:21

we were so excited that you got on the case.

31:25

We were like dogs going to solve this. You know, this

31:27

case had America by

31:30

the heartstrings. We were all just waiting

31:32

every day for new information. So

31:34

I don't know what you can tell us, but I've

31:37

never felt settled about this case. Well,

31:40

we're amazing to say that we should have my

31:43

people get with your people because

31:45

we're doing a dog cast. When La launching

31:48

and we hooked up together, I

31:50

got footage in the Brian laundry hunt

31:52

that no one else has got. So

31:56

and I started out by saying, this is not what

31:58

dog says, this is what

32:00

the camera says. Okay,

32:03

So we well, I know there's

32:05

something there, but you

32:07

know, there's so many diff Now he's suicide.

32:10

He was right handed, shot himself

32:12

to the left hand. There are so many things

32:14

that don't look good. So

32:17

we're gonna, you know, put that on one of

32:19

the wedding and then that the Brian

32:21

laundry thing. How sad because

32:23

you know, I lost a daughter at the same age as

32:25

Gabby were Francy and I

32:27

went to her honeymoon. I was a hundred miles

32:29

away, didn't even know it. Francis

32:31

from Florida. So we went back there to be in the beach.

32:34

She's like, you promised me the beach in the sand,

32:36

not the swamp and the gators. So

32:39

I mean she she stopped the honeymoon

32:42

to go down there. It

32:44

was god Land as soon as we hit there.

32:46

The media game things. You know,

32:48

I have a lot of fans, I love a lot of people,

32:51

and we needed that. We needed

32:54

you know, the brother here is His

32:57

sister said, oh, I haven't seen him,

32:59

and Franzie and I ran a real simple

33:02

thing and found out that he'd been in the park.

33:04

It's his picture in the back of the truck when they

33:06

come in, and you know, a lot

33:08

of those things were never really developed

33:11

because there's something going on there.

33:13

Okay, so uh

33:16

yeah we're and that's the cases we're

33:18

getting into right now. Is

33:20

those kind of and I've

33:22

always been big brother, you've better watching. Can't

33:25

talk about about the cops, but the

33:27

truth, they are so busy.

33:30

One gets on the case with you on the phone, you

33:32

start brainstorming. He gets a call domestic

33:35

violence. I'll be back an hour, dog

33:37

two hours. It takes. He's coming

33:39

a kid missing at school, He's

33:41

got to go there. They are so

33:44

understaffed and so busy. Even when

33:46

they got enough staff that

33:48

to do something that's already been there, done

33:51

that, they can't do it. So

33:53

that's why it takes citizens

33:56

with criminal justice experts

33:59

behind them and lawyers and

34:01

know what they're doing to help them out.

34:03

Okay, I don't care. Sometimes

34:05

I have found the perp called the competence

34:08

that he's in the house guinea to

34:10

let them have the glory the ero

34:13

walk. Right, I only catch a

34:15

bad guy and if I get to share

34:17

with the cop the glory the ero

34:19

walk, I love that because the and

34:23

that's the thing, it's it's like what you said is,

34:25

yes, they're busy and they have all this other stuff going

34:27

on. That's why when people were like stop

34:29

whatever, you know, what do you how do you feel about like TikTok

34:31

people, they were like, oh, stop with your theory, stop

34:33

with it. I think the more evidence that people

34:35

can throw out there, and the more theories that people can throw

34:37

out there, have someone that weeds through it. I'm

34:40

not saying that that I don't the cops

34:42

don't look it and say, well, it's gotta be this, Like they're all scatter

34:44

brained, they know what they're doing, but they're overwhelmed.

34:46

So I think the more people that can dig stuff

34:49

up or throw theories out there or you

34:51

know, people are fantastic now on TikTok

34:53

and on the Internet where they can zoom in on something. Granted

34:56

that flowerbed thing probably nothing but

34:58

fascinating. Well, and

35:00

it's you know, the fans don't

35:03

have and I don't know if this is a bad word,

35:05

Internet sloops don't

35:07

does. And we got

35:10

today last night we were talking to Katie. We

35:12

have fifty five hundred

35:14

leads every three days, another

35:16

one every day, three leads come in again

35:19

about Brian laundry. We left that so

35:22

the fans can afford that they

35:24

don't have someone to man the phone. You

35:27

call the FETs, try to leave a message. You

35:31

know, they don't have to give me. They're

35:34

so security number. We pay

35:36

cash on delivery for the information.

35:39

We don't gotta call crime stoppers. You

35:41

know. There's a lot of things that we do

35:44

that their hands are bound that they

35:46

can't do. They can't boot

35:48

a door if they know he's in there, we can't,

35:51

you know. So there's a lot of things

35:54

that uh and now in again

35:56

forty some two or three years in

35:58

the beginning, you know, they were like my foe

36:01

right which ones that fell and

36:03

out? They both are Now I'm brother

36:06

Dog, and that makes

36:08

me feel good because I have proven to

36:10

them that I'm a good guy with a black

36:12

cat, you know what I mean. So

36:15

it's it's incredible, and

36:17

this is why we are team Dog. Yeah,

36:21

team Dog for life. We love you. I

36:23

mean, I wish

36:25

we had more time with you. I mean, I just I guess

36:27

I have one final question, is

36:29

you know you've seen and heard

36:32

everything. I mean, if there's

36:34

anyone on the planet that has seen

36:36

and heard it all to you, has there been

36:39

anything in your many seasons

36:41

of successful television and

36:43

all of the hunts you had off camera. Is

36:45

there anything you've seen that is the wildest

36:48

moment that you felt that you actually

36:50

witnessed. I

36:53

didn't witness it, but to arrest the guy

36:56

that did a very bad thing to a

36:58

seven month old baby. Now,

37:03

I don't want to get to spiritual, but there's evil

37:06

and then there's demonic possession. You

37:09

gotta be full of something, demons

37:11

I call it. You walk into king supers

37:13

and open up and

37:15

see women and men dying and screaming for

37:17

God and their mother, and laugh and shoot again.

37:20

Those are the guys were going after. That's

37:24

what I have seen more

37:26

than I ever have ever is

37:29

you know, you're very young,

37:31

but you were probably around when the first

37:33

McDonald's shooting happened. That

37:35

was the first one ever. Now

37:38

what is it? One a day in

37:40

a shopping center or something, you

37:42

know what I mean? So the demonic

37:45

spread of evil and it's

37:47

not us.

37:53

The demonic spread of evil is around.

37:55

But and to be right

37:57

with God on the flip side of that,

37:59

you normal, non spiritual

38:02

way, there's got to be a power

38:04

of God just as strong. And

38:07

that's why I call it's supernatural

38:10

it's really there. I've seen

38:12

a lot of that where I haven't seen before. I've

38:15

seen a lot of pastors now and supernatural

38:17

believers that getting these combinations

38:20

from God how to get things done. I've

38:22

never you know, uh, I've

38:25

never seen that. It's incredible,

38:27

what God, it's it's I

38:30

mean, you know, I don't want to sound like a preacher,

38:32

because I'm not. But we are truly living

38:34

in the last days. And but

38:37

we can, you know, we can triumph it. Just

38:40

you know, we got to keep COVID all this stuff.

38:42

Oh dear Lord, imagine we were a

38:44

Urico dog.

38:48

We love you. You're incredible. Thank

38:50

you for doing the Lord's work.

38:53

You We we need more people like you. And

38:57

if you ever want a

39:00

uny Jewish woman to come along for

39:02

a right along, please invite me. I'm

39:04

dying to come. Thank you. Yeah,

39:08

I enjoy your enjoy your Armadillo moments

39:10

in life. But don't stop doing what you're doing because it's

39:13

it's impressive and needed. And listen

39:15

after Armadillo and the best here. You

39:17

know, forty years bro, I've arrest in eight thousand,

39:20

I've probably bragged the number

39:22

one crime guy in America out

39:24

of solvement. How to stop it? Yeah,

39:27

educate, don't and Carson rat. I mean,

39:29

there's so many things that I've seen work

39:32

and things that I haven't. Please remember my

39:35

my people and call me if you need me.

39:37

I'll be right there. Be careful what you wish

39:39

for. Yeah, I will,

39:43

and I will be purchasing your n f T and looking

39:46

out for you in sandbox. Thank

39:48

you, Helloa, thank you, God bless thank

39:50

you, thank you. I

39:53

feel like I need like go to

39:55

a spot that

39:59

was wild, that was so are

40:01

you guys not shook? Yeah, a little

40:03

bit, it was. It's quite

40:06

a roller coaster, quite an event. I

40:08

mean, I'm I'm very interested to hear

40:10

what he knows about Brian laundry that we don't

40:12

know. I know he did he I

40:14

saw your eyes light up when he said that's

40:16

not over and and he could just mean

40:19

that there's the suing going on, but I

40:21

feel like and he said, we have stuff footage that

40:23

people don't have of you. He knows

40:25

something and I'll be interested to hear what it is. And

40:28

he said that they keep getting tips every day.

40:30

I mean, I really do think that people

40:32

are, you know, not over

40:34

the fact that he might have run away

40:37

or he's he's not really dead or

40:39

and you know that used to be my theory, but obviously I'm

40:41

over that one. But I do think

40:44

when he said, you know he can he

40:46

was right handed and he was

40:48

shot in the left temple. I I think about

40:50

that constantly. I'm like, who killed Brian Laundry?

40:53

Was it one of the parents? Was a like a

40:55

assistant suicide? Was it? You

40:58

know? I think that there's so many aspects

41:00

and play that we really just don't have enough information

41:03

about. Agreed, And

41:05

I think it's so difficult to shoot a gun that to

41:07

do that with your non dominant hand and

41:09

have it be without a reaction, have it be

41:11

where you needed to be. There's

41:13

Yeah, it seems interesting. It's a little suspect.

41:16

So this guy that I was dating,

41:19

it's a weird go on. I'm

41:21

here. Maybe he

41:24

loves guns. He's like, I'll come

41:26

with you to go get one. You know, there's a cooling

41:28

off period after you try to get a gun, or

41:30

they make you wait ten days before you can go back and get

41:32

it. I don't know if you know that the same thing with dating

41:34

for you, and yeah,

41:37

wait ten days and then I always go back I

41:39

know that don't learn anything, so and

41:42

he was trying to show me how

41:45

to put a bullet into the gun, to

41:47

load the gun, and it was physically so

41:49

difficult to actually put the bullets

41:52

into the gun. I mean, there's

41:54

everything having to do with guns. I think people

41:57

don't realize how complicated they are and

41:59

how difficult it is. So then

42:02

to do everything with your non dominant hand

42:05

right is very confusing.

42:07

In my opinion. That's

42:09

the problem is that guns are so difficult

42:11

to operate this and yet somehow these

42:14

so many morons and ship

42:17

heads find a way to get them and operate

42:19

them.

42:32

And welcome back to real time crime. You

42:35

just heard us with Dog,

42:37

And then of course Dmitri and I had to give our two

42:39

cents about guns and

42:42

brand laundry because that's who we are inside.

42:44

And I think it's time for us to talk about our main case

42:46

of the day. Demitri A you ready, I'm

42:48

ready. I mean, it's

42:50

gonna be tough, pretty tough to dissect

42:53

this thing without Dog. But now I feel like I

42:55

wish you seen another level. I mean, no offense,

42:58

I do wish we got his opinion on literally everything

43:00

from today and all ways in every episode.

43:03

I wish he was on the podcast. He

43:07

wouldn't be sometimes dog, he would be all

43:09

the time. Dog. Yeah. I don't think i'd get to speak,

43:11

and I'd be okay with that. Do

43:13

you love how much he called me young constantly?

43:16

I know you did. I

43:18

don't know what clips will be on social media, but

43:20

if there's a clip of you smiling when he calls you

43:23

young, I think people will

43:25

get it. Because I was like, here, we get he

43:27

said it a couple of times. It's like, Okay, come on, dog,

43:29

You're really going to hurt us in the long run. She doesn't.

43:32

I know that when people look at me, they think I'm eighteen,

43:34

but I'm actually twenty two. M okay.

43:38

So I just want to say trigger warning

43:41

suicide. I

43:44

mean, honestly, this whole episode

43:46

is a trigger warning. But this case,

43:48

specifically, it's the death of Conrad

43:51

Roy. I'm sure you've been hearing about it

43:53

because there are multiple TV shows about it now.

43:56

There's ABC and

43:59

Who Lose the Girl for Plainville, and

44:01

they're both about the same case. So

44:04

Conrad Henry Roy the third was

44:06

an American teenager who died by suicide at

44:08

the age of eighteen and fourteen, his

44:10

girlfriend, then seventeen year old Michelle

44:12

Carter, encouraged him in text messages

44:15

to kill himself. The case was

44:17

the subject of a notable investigation and involuntary

44:19

manslaughter trial in Massachusetts, colloquial

44:22

known as the texting suicide case.

44:24

Michelle Carter made headlines in fifteen

44:27

when a mass Chusets judge ruled

44:29

that her words through texting and phone calls

44:31

coerced eighteen year old Roy into dying

44:34

by suicide. She was sentenced to

44:36

fifteen months in prison, which she sure

44:38

served from February twenty nineteen to January

44:40

twenty She got released three months

44:42

early due to good conduct, so

44:45

Michelle Carter twenty five has been seen for the first

44:48

time since being released from jail January.

44:52

Her story has been dramatized in the Hulu series

44:54

The Girl from Plain Bill with l Fanning

44:57

playing Carter, Colton Ryan playing

44:59

Conrad Roy, and Chloe

45:02

seven A how do

45:04

you say your last name? Is

45:06

that? How you say it? I thought,

45:08

A seven, I think that's very

45:10

fancy. This is We're going to get

45:12

the bomb of this crime playing

45:14

Lennroy, Conrad's mother. In addition to

45:17

the Girl From playing Bill, Carter and Roy story has

45:19

also been covered inbo documentary

45:21

I Love You Now Die The Commonwealth

45:24

Verse Michelle Carter, woof

45:26

Last week ABC revisited

45:29

the texting suicide trial. So

45:33

I'm sure a lot of people have already heard

45:35

about this case. And

45:39

this boy was very beloved. He

45:43

was an all around good kids, smart, family oriented,

45:45

surrounded by friends. Was even mentioned

45:48

how he got his captain license to go out

45:50

on their family boat with his dad and grandfather.

45:53

He never wanted to failed anything, but

45:55

apart from having a seemingly good life,

45:59

he appeared and he had a battle with his mental health,

46:02

and he had attempted suicide before.

46:05

He did have issues, and he got help for it and he came out

46:07

the other side. And when

46:11

they found out that he took his own life, they

46:14

didn't believe it's because he wanted to die, but

46:16

rather it was a cry for help. And

46:20

this is such a tragic story. I

46:23

think. I think some people think that

46:25

she should be a free woman Michelle

46:29

um and and some people say they

46:31

were surprised she even got eleven months, which

46:34

is crazy to me. I think emotionally,

46:36

you want her because it

46:38

was decided and with your own eyes

46:40

and ears, it seems like she certainly didn't

46:42

play the role that he needed in

46:44

this right she put and part of it was, didn't

46:46

they say that she she wanted the attention of being

46:48

like the grieving girlfriend that

46:53

was kind of allegedly what what kind of what she

46:55

was doing is for for attention and stuff like that.

46:57

Clearly, if he's battling with mental mental health and

47:00

and he had kind of been righting

47:02

himself and trying to deal with it and she comes in and not

47:04

the person he needed in his life. Um,

47:07

but yeah, you could see that. I

47:10

guess in one way, it is lucky that she did any

47:12

time at all because she didn't commit

47:14

the crime, But so there was a lot of gray

47:16

area in there. So I think

47:19

that's the big question. Was Michelle in any way responsible

47:21

for Conrad taking his own life?

47:24

Because I guess at the end

47:26

of the day, it was still his decision, is

47:29

what people are saying. And

47:31

online bullying is so prevalent now. I'm

47:34

just grateful I didn't grow up with you

47:36

know, Instagram when I was in

47:39

middle school, because I probably would have lost my

47:41

mind over all the online bullying and

47:43

the fake accounts and people can say anything,

47:46

but when you read the chain of transmission between

47:49

them and their texts. She's

47:52

she's saying do it, do it, or

47:55

do it or I'll get you help. It's

47:57

like, just get him help. Why are

48:00

you She's like, oh baby, you can't live

48:02

like this? Oh

48:05

what? Yeah, that's that's not

48:07

the words of someone that that truly cares

48:09

about somebody that's going through some problem.

48:11

Maybe she would claim that she was trying to, like, you

48:13

know, give him an ultimating, but that's not that's not

48:15

the the area that you play around with that. No,

48:18

she even said last night,

48:20

was it. You keep pushing it off and you say

48:22

you'll do it, but you never do. It's always

48:25

going to be that way if you don't take action, you're

48:27

just gonna make it harder on yourself by pushing

48:30

it off. You just have to do it. Do you want

48:32

to do it now? Yeah?

48:34

Like and and these are I mean,

48:36

it goes on and on and on and on, and

48:39

you can read. I suggest that you

48:41

look it up and make a decision for yourself

48:44

how you feel whether you think that she's

48:46

responsible, partially responsible,

48:49

fully responsible, I mean

48:51

the text or bizarre. She's like, I love you, Are

48:53

you gonna do it now, like

48:55

what, It's so bizarre because clearly not

48:57

the words of someone that truly loves, that loves

48:59

him and is concerned about him. So well,

49:01

like I said, it's it's it's a

49:03

shame, it's terrible all around. But the fact

49:06

that he needed help and this is someone that was

49:08

close to him, that he thought probably did

49:10

love him or did care about him, and these are

49:12

the words that he's getting them from the most from

49:15

and you know, his family

49:17

as a as a father, myself, like his family afterward,

49:20

knowing that someone was doing this to him, probably

49:22

I don't know what the relationship was with her and the family,

49:25

but they probably thought, oh, it's his girlfriend. She's

49:27

there, she's another level of support. I

49:29

don't know anything about the family or that connection,

49:32

but to look back on that now

49:34

has got to be just like it was right there in

49:36

front of you. That's why people say, do you look at your kids

49:38

stuff and you know, you know, read

49:40

their text or And granted

49:43

he's eighteen, so it's a different it was a bit of a different

49:45

story. But it's

49:47

so interesting when you said that, it triggered

49:49

me because I remember thinking I had no privacy

49:52

as a kid, and I was such a good kid,

49:55

and my mom was looking or I felt

49:57

like I was looking for problems, or

50:00

maybe it was her way of getting closer to me, or but

50:02

there was never any reason for concern mhm.

50:06

And that still is something

50:08

that I constantly feel

50:10

frustrated by, where I'm like, do I have my privacy? Is

50:13

anyone looking through my stuff? But it's then

50:15

you go into situations like this where I'm

50:18

sure if his parents saw these text

50:20

messages, they would have taken him

50:22

and gone him help immediately, you

50:24

know. And you can see in the text messages he's

50:26

talking about how you

50:29

know, he's out with his family getting ice cream, or he's

50:31

out he's doing something with his family, and she's

50:33

like, well, you got to do it when you're done,

50:36

and you know, he's

50:38

like, I don't, I don't know. I'm getting nervous because

50:41

I just I don't know what's going to happen to my family,

50:43

Like he loved his family, and she's

50:45

like, I told you, I'll take care of them. It'll

50:48

be fine. I

50:50

mean, the the amount of evil that you have to

50:53

have to to even whatever whatever

50:55

reason, alleged reason, whatever

50:57

reason she was doing it for, there's

51:00

no there's no excuse for it. It's it's not

51:02

when you know someone struggling, that's not the

51:04

approach you take. And I do believe,

51:06

and I remember hearing that. I do believe it was more about

51:09

attention. Oh, she's going to play the role of the grieving

51:11

girlfriend, clearly not loving herself

51:13

more, clearly loving herself more than him

51:15

or anything else. I

51:18

mean. Also, it's like, Okay,

51:24

I believe she was a factor in

51:26

his death, you know,

51:28

because there was no if

51:31

you break up with me, I'll kill myself. Because

51:33

it sounds like she wanted him to kill himself so

51:35

she didn't want to be with him. She could have just broken up with him,

51:38

you know, there's like and

51:40

then the blame would have been on her. Then she wouldn't

51:42

have been able to play that role she wanted to play either. Did

51:45

she just think no one was going to see the messages? He

51:47

even says like did you delete these? Like they're

51:49

talking about deleting the messages? You

51:52

know. It's like it's just so upsetting.

51:54

And I mean, do you think that when a case like this gets

51:57

made into a TV show that it glorifies

52:00

it or does it bring it awareness or both?

52:02

I think as long as things are done a certain way,

52:05

I don't think. I'm not as alarmed

52:07

by glorifying stuff. I think, obviously you

52:09

can glorify something and make it look like

52:11

especially for younger minds and and

52:14

uh and influencing people. But I'm

52:17

I think it's better to be aware. But that's why

52:19

I'll read things. I'll read news stories that I don't

52:21

want to read, but I read them because you can

52:23

take something from them, and you can learn something. The

52:25

more you are aware you are of things, the more you

52:27

can be, the more you can prevent them. Right, So

52:30

stuff like you said about privacy, you were a good kid,

52:32

you didn't really do anything. But you know what, sometimes

52:34

kids, especially getting this moment

52:37

and they think, oh, this is this is

52:39

this is only happening to me and this is

52:41

only my life, and things get so put under

52:43

a microscope and they don't realize that

52:45

a lot of people go through bullying a lot

52:48

and there's people out there that go through the same things and people.

52:50

So I think support groups and knowing stuff

52:53

is an easier way to help people. So I'm

52:55

not concerned with the TV shows, and I assume

52:57

that they're not taking a glorifying stance

52:59

to it. No. I mean the other thing

53:01

about television shows is it

53:04

does bring more awareness to it in my opinion,

53:07

you know, and then it helps other

53:10

people in the future. That's

53:12

That's what a lot of entertainment is is

53:14

bringing awareness so that people feel like,

53:17

oh, that happened to someone else. Well, now

53:19

I don't feel so alone, or this

53:21

isn't so uncommon, or this

53:23

is the way, or this

53:26

is something I should be looking out for. There are a multitude

53:28

of ways that it's actually extremely beneficial.

53:30

And you know, I mean they did it with the Anadelte

53:33

case, they did it with a tender swindler. It's like, if you don't

53:35

put that information out there, of course, the tender

53:37

swindlers now, you know, like signed with a SiGe

53:39

and or whatever. That's

53:41

different, of course. But now

53:44

people are aware that this sort of thing can happen

53:46

and they should be on the lookout, you know. And it's

53:48

like if a if a guy started asking me for twenty

53:51

dollars or open credit, I would be like, m you

53:53

have seen this before and it's going to be a no for

53:55

me. Dog, But not I

53:57

would never say no. Dog. The bounty hunter obviously

54:01

obviously thousand times yes to him

54:03

that how many times can I say yes?

54:07

You know? And wow,

54:10

this has been a wild episode today. Yeah,

54:13

but there's a lot of and to be honest, it's

54:15

funny. I almost feel bad putting

54:18

that thing in here because you look at all these other things and

54:20

you're like, get your ask back out there and

54:22

deliver the mail or figure it out post

54:24

office. You don't stop delivering mail because of one thing that

54:26

irritated me, Like all this other ship going

54:28

on, it's like whoa, someone swung a broomstick. Figure

54:31

it out. You don't just stop doing what you're doing. Imagine

54:33

if dog was like, WHOA, this is dangerous, I'm not going

54:35

to do go do this, he said, He's what arrested

54:37

like eight thousand people or help

54:40

bring them in. Yeah,

54:42

the littlest hardship. It's like, I'm sorry

54:44

that there was one witch in Santa Monica who

54:46

needed to take off to get to their next destination

54:48

and you were in the way. Get over it,

54:51

right, Get over it anyway,

54:54

you guys. If you've been listening to the

54:56

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55:00

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55:10

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55:14

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55:16

or not involved in the death of Conrad

55:19

Roy and you

55:21

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55:23

know you can write at you

55:28

could, you could. You could tell us

55:30

things like, oh, hey, did you check

55:32

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55:34

you know I did, but you know, give

55:37

me a case I haven't heard of. Or you could say, hey,

55:39

listen, I know a case personally, what do you

55:41

think about this? Or a tip

55:43

hotline, you know, whatever you want phill

55:45

us in. Just don't ask me on

55:47

a date. I'm just I'm not I'm not ready, okay,

55:50

But you could leave a voicemail asking her our day

55:52

too. We'll play it and have a little fun. Not fun, you're

55:54

expensive, but just fun. Expensive at

55:56

eight six crime that's eight

55:59

six six twent anyone come eight

56:01

six six to anyone time? That's

56:03

eight six six two and two seven four

56:06

six three? Hi Leo, will

56:08

you go out with me? Oh? Dear lord, it'll

56:10

make you so uncomfortable. Leave those messages will be

56:12

so happy. I'll be like, yeah, someone

56:15

loves me. Okay, that's very

56:17

sad. That's so sad, Dmitri. We

56:20

can't do podcast this early again, all

56:26

right. You can find me on Instagram and

56:28

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56:34

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56:40

You, guys, stay safe out there in

56:42

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56:45

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56:47

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56:52

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56:55

guys, stay safe, stay warm

56:58

wherever you are in the world, and don't

57:00

commit any crimes. Be you

57:02

next time. I love your bye.

57:05

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57:09

real time ground. I

57:12

mean, is it actually real time crime or I'm solving

57:14

anything or is that just the thing we say? It's a thing we

57:16

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