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Crime and Hello

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Social Sleuths. Welcome back

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to another episode of Real Time Crime. I'm

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Leo Lamar and I have with me my amazing

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co host Patty Mellancam

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pause, I mean without the slight

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pause? Is it even you? You know? And

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and we've got sometimes Dmitri Hello, Sometimes

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Hello, it's

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a cute name for you, you guys. Today we've got an

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extra special episode because

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it'll be be based all around our two

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guests, who I can't wait to bring on and

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introduce. I'm sure you've heard of the

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infamous case of the night Stalker. Well, who

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better to help us uncover all

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the details of this gruesome case

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other than Gil Coreo, one of the detectives

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who put him behind bars and

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stars in the Netflix show The night Stalker And our

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dear friend who's also obsessed with true crime,

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the one the only George Lopez. We

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love comedy, we love crime, so to

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George, so obviously he's a perfect

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fit for this episode. But

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before we get started today and introduced them, let's

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say hello, Hi, Oh

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my god, Hi? How is everyone? Everyone?

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I mean? By me? I'm okay. I do need

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to turn my heat off really quick in my house hold

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on Okay, turn that heat off. The

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first crime has been committed to it's

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too hot to hand. Speaking of which,

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my apartment fire

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alarm was blaring last

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night. You know, you know how you always think like, oh,

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what if I don't hear the fire alarm. No, no, no, you'll

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hear it. You'll hear it. What was happening?

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I saw your instagram was literally

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Okay, here's the craziest thing. The fire

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alarm was blazing, like you can't

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hear anything else for it

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feels like you're gonna have your damage. That's how

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loud the sound is. Uh.

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My male woman knocked on the door to

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deliver a package when this it's

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going on, and I

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was like, oh, I think we need to get out of the building,

2:17

and she's and then she just wanted to have a full on

2:19

conversation. And I'm like, this

2:21

is how starved for human connection

2:23

everyone is that while the building might be burning

2:26

down, She's like, yeah, but could we just chat

2:28

real quick? Like can we chat outside?

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Maybe? Yeah? She's like, you know, it's funny because

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when I was just down a couple of doors,

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I feel like I saw some smaller was like, yeah, let's leave

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the building. I don't it

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was. It was last

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night she was delivering a package.

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That see if if if this alarm was

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going off really loud and someone

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knocks and says I have a package, I would have gone

2:50

full crime on that one. Maybe she wasn't

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even a real post office worker and they were

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this is a long con to just get me out of my apartment

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to bug it, you know,

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because I'm definitely wanted by the CIA. I

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think if the CIA needed anything, they could get

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it from your Instagram. I don't think they need to bug your apartment.

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Who am I aunt? Alvi? Um?

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Hilarious? Okay. Also, I've just noticed my

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hair is so odd. But it's just like this

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is who I am, and I there's nothing I can do about

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it. Okay anyway, Um, yeah, So I

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was sitting in my car outside my building for

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hours last night, just watching the fire

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department go in and out of the building. But you know, um

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what happened? What was? So don't leave

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his hanging. I never got any information,

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and it was so odd because they kept circling

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my building, going in and coming out. So

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I was like, did you chat up

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any fireman? You know? Me? I

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have a feeling I

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like you know what else is on fire? Oh?

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Is that a dad joke? Ye, Dmitri, I don't

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have any STDs. Thank you.

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I have a really big crime

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to report. Please tell us. I

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broke my nail and I don't know how I did it, so

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I feel like someone's out to

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get me. I wonder if Gil gets

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solve this crime. Gil, can

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you get on the case because it really hurts

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and you don't know

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how. Like you woke up and it was broken. Yeah,

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I woke up and it was broken, and then I had to

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of course finish the job. So you

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know, I don't know if I'm

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now compliant with

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a crime. I don't know. Well, you

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tampered with evidence, the

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fingerprints on your fingerprint? You

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but I almost didn't come to the pod today because

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I was so revved that now

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I'm this is me. Do you think someone

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came into your bedroom at night while you were

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sleeping and ripped your finger nail? Probably

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it's likely the male woman that

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was at your place probably came to mind after she

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has something play the tapes.

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Did you find the piece of it? It wasn't

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around, It was not around.

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Yeah, I mean I could. I

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did have a kind of an eventful night last

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night. Okay, go on the

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Big Brother. Yeah, so what happened?

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So? Um,

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I had a choice. I could

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when I voted the person voted

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to keep the person to stay. I

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had the option of just you know,

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being cool. But but I didn't

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I take that option. I took

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the other option of like being

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kind of a douche. Shocking. But

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he was not that great, so I had to give

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him a little I had to give him a little

5:43

upper cut. So, if we're honest,

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America hates Toddrick. Yeah,

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and now there's all these memes of

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me because I refused to go over

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and give him a hug when

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everybody like came out and gave hug, so that

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it's just like me standing and they're like, this is

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how much I give. I was like,

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how can you come a hug to somebody after

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you just said you don't like them?

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I can't do it. I appreciate you standing

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your ground and being authentic, but

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it is interesting that you woke up without a fingernail.

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Now, karmically,

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maybe it was Doddreck. He

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was like that seem like a crime he would

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commit to get her

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nailed. Damn All

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right, Well, uh I now

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I have a sneaky suspicion that the case

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that we're going to talk about today that

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you think he's hot. You

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know what's so funny is I literally said,

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Leah, don't tell them you think he's hot and

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playing the odds. But

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to some women that hot. You know a lot of

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women hit him up in jail. He even got married

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when he was at jail. I know

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a lot of them like it's a jail,

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that's jail's Instagram handle at

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jail. I wonder if that's taken anyway,

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Um, okay,

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Well, as you all know, one

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of our amazing guests today is the

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incredible George Lopez.

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George has had a very multifaceted

7:16

career which encompasses TV, film,

7:18

stand up, late night television. He

7:20

actually just started shooting the pilot for his upcoming

7:23

NBC comedy Lopez Versus Lopez,

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featuring his real life daughter, and

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it's a sit coment about a blue collar family set

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to premiere in George.

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More importantly, you guys know this about

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him already, but I'm just going to tell you again. Anyway,

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he broke ground

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in stand up comedy for Latin

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comics by embracing his ethnicity

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and confronting racial stereotypes head

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on. I love watching George

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on stage. He's absolutely hilarious.

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He's currently performing stand up in arenas across

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the country on his Oh My God High Comedy

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Tour, which is also the name of his podcast.

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His original comedy special We'll Do It for Half

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for Netflix, premiered globally in the summer of and

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prior to that, he joined Eddie Griffin

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Dale Hughley Cedric the entertainer

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on stage for the comedy get Down, which

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inspired a scripted comedy series based on

8:14

the tour for b Et. You

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already know him. He's a legend, a

8:19

living legend. He is a

8:21

star. We are so grateful to

8:23

have him here. And his connection

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to our next guest is that sometimes

8:28

this guest is often featured on

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George's podcast, Oh My God High. It's a weekly

8:33

podcast featuring surprise celebrity

8:35

guest listener Collins, stories of George's

8:37

haunted house, hot takes, and more. And

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I've actually been on their podcast, which is

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how I know them. And I'm so

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grateful because Gil Courier,

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he is a retired police officer

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and he was the patrol officer of the

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l a p d in nine and

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he served for thirty eight years. Oh

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my god, this man is again living

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legends. We've got on today. He investigated

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seven to eight hundred murders

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and was promoted to lieutenant of the l A County

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Sheriff's Homicide Bureau. So

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he was also Netflix's

9:12

star of the TV show night

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Stalker. The Hunt for the serial killer

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also completely centralized around

9:19

him and his partner Frank Salerno,

9:22

and they investigated the case of the famous serial

9:24

killer Richard Ramirez. So

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you already know about this serial

9:29

killer if you're listening to this podcast because you're obsessed

9:32

with true crime. But if you haven't watched

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the Netflix show yet, there's a four part series.

9:37

It's a documentary many series about

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the nights Stalker. You should go watch

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it because it is quite excellent.

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And by excellent I mean gruesome and terrifying

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and deeply disturbing.

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But it's well produced and

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Leah is actually the woman that was

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married to the night Stalker. I'm

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Dorene and

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I just say, every time you said the title

10:05

of George Lopez's podcast,

10:07

you said, oh my god, high Teddy was looking

10:09

at her notes, And every time you said it she shot

10:11

up and looked at thinking. Both times,

10:14

I was like, what you're like, Oh

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my god. Hi, She's like like someone was

10:18

on the screen. I

10:22

think fast today, like whip

10:25

whipping around fast. Listen, we get you're

10:27

operating on nine nails. I

10:29

mean, when you only have nine nails, there's not a

10:32

lot you can function with when.

10:34

Yeah, so would you say you had

10:37

a lot of espresso today or not as much espresso

10:39

today? None? Because days

10:42

after I make bad decisions, I

10:44

don't like to have caffeine

10:46

because decision did you make? No,

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I mean, not not bad decisions, but when

10:52

when when I'm heavy in the social media world

10:54

and I got like, I don't like to take

10:58

Yeah, I

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don't know if you guys have noticed, but my Instagram

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has been changing recently.

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We hadn't noticed. Hold on what's going

11:11

on. I'm

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just popping off, really sharing with the

11:15

world who I am, whether or not I should do

11:17

that. So

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we are extremely fortunate to

11:33

have on one of the detectives who

11:36

brought the serial killer

11:39

Richard Ramirez to justice, and

11:42

that's Gil Curio and of course

11:44

our true crime obsessed

11:47

king of comedy, George Lopez.

11:50

All Right, so we've already kind of briefed

11:52

our audience about the night Stalker

11:55

case, obviously, and

11:58

we have so many questions

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for you guys today. And before

12:02

we get into the nitty gritty of the case

12:04

and any of that, let's take it back two seconds,

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George, real fast. How

12:10

did the idea for the Oh My God High

12:12

podcast come about? Uh?

12:18

You know, I know,

12:21

I've been asked to do some

12:23

podcast on Spotify. I don't want

12:25

to say names Spotify. And

12:27

then the guy was trying to like

12:30

walk me through how to interview people

12:32

and how to do stuff.

12:34

And we had like seven shows in

12:37

the can, you know, and I had the talk show

12:39

for a couple of years and you know, the other show

12:41

for twenty shows,

12:43

and I'm like, is this guy trying to tell

12:45

me how to like talk and how to relate

12:47

and things. So that that went away,

12:51

and then I wasn't really sure about

12:53

getting back into it, and all things

12:55

comedy with Bill Burn and those guys

12:57

and everybody being so great were there. I thought

12:59

I would tried, and I tried it with a friend

13:01

of mine and that became more

13:03

of just like almost a

13:05

whipping boy, you know, commedially,

13:08

and then when Gil came in, uh,

13:12

Bobby Lee was in and Gil just you know,

13:14

had this great laugh and you

13:16

know he has great stories of

13:18

his own, you know, family, and I mean, listen,

13:21

the dude was in Vietnam. Like, you

13:24

know, I don't want to drive if it's drizzling,

13:27

to not get my car with this dude was in Vietnam.

13:30

So to me, that ranks

13:32

above all else. I mean, I've been in disney

13:35

Land with my feet heard and you're like, man, I can't

13:37

take another minute of it. And it was a Vietna

13:40

So when it's cold

13:42

and you're you know, I'm gotta get inside. Let's

13:45

started getting really when they was

13:47

in Vietnam. So anybody

13:49

that's in Vietnam and still can

13:52

laugh and enjoy life that much is

13:54

he's got a seat next to me. And it just

13:56

really changed, you know. And the fact that

13:59

when and be Real from Cyper still was in

14:02

and I knew that if he was gonna

14:04

smoke, we Gil would probably leave the room.

14:07

So fortunately those guys got to Oh

14:09

my God high an hour earlier and just

14:11

burning in the car. And if

14:14

I didn't know it was in the car, I probably would have

14:16

called because I was an electrical premetrical

14:19

fire in this car wiring. The

14:21

smoke was just coming out of the tops of the windows.

14:23

You're like, man, that dude's dashboard is

14:25

on, Eric is on the computer shorted

14:28

out and those dudes come in so

14:31

high. And I had done the real

14:33

showing. And I don't really smoke, but I do

14:36

I will if they're doing it. And

14:38

I can't remember what I said. I

14:40

just know that it took me fourteen minutes to get

14:42

home from downtown. And

14:46

Gil's just been the greatest

14:48

to to to go back and forth with, and

14:50

the fact that he can remember dates

14:52

like nobody's business, and his his answers

14:55

are honest, and you know, one

14:57

of his own guys shot at one time. How can

14:59

you not enjoy stories about one of your

15:01

own guys shooting at you. Wow,

15:08

that's that's all right, So we're not messing with

15:10

Gil. Um. Well,

15:12

how did you guys meet? Well,

15:15

you know, the nights. I don't know where I became a

15:17

fan of of of crime.

15:20

I was telling them. I was like, George is a

15:22

massive true crime fan, and I was in your

15:24

podcast. You knew every detail about every

15:26

case. You know,

15:29

And the validation for my time and crime

15:31

comes with Jeff

15:33

Garen is a writer who did the last book

15:35

on Charles Manson, and he was interviewing

15:37

Manson about a year before he died,

15:40

and he said to me, you know, Charles, how do

15:42

you spend your days? You know? Now he goes,

15:44

well, you know, I love music, and I listened to classic

15:46

rock, and I love Frank Sinatra and

15:48

John Wayne and George Lopez. So

15:50

listen, if Charles

15:53

Manson can feel it, I'm with

15:55

it. Like somebody said,

15:57

go see him, I'm like, yeah, maybe I'll stop off

15:59

at bill Is on the way back, Like,

16:02

oh no, I'm not going over there. You

16:04

crazy. So it's

16:06

just like that stuff. And then

16:08

you know when I was in Milwaukee in the nineties when

16:11

they caught dom you know, I landed at the Milwaukee

16:13

airport and they're like, what time does the show? It's

16:15

like two hours away, all right, so let's go stop

16:17

where Dominant lived in the party and

16:20

it hadn't been torn down yet. But at the part,

16:23

I mean just it's just awful.

16:25

I find I find a tremendous waste

16:27

of good energy.

16:31

You know, I won't go see where my daughter lives, but I'll

16:33

go see where Jeffrey dahmerts I

16:36

haven't been to my daughter's house once you've been there

16:38

for two years, she's like four miles away. That's

16:41

because when so when someone says have

16:44

you ever been there? Have you ever seen that, you want to be like, yeah,

16:46

yeah, no, I've been there, but no one. You know, the

16:48

chance of someone be like, hey, have you ever seen your daughter's place?

16:50

No, they assume that you have. But if someone says, you see where

16:52

Jeffrey Hmer there and

16:55

listen, if my daughter put police taper around the apartment,

16:57

I'm sure I'd be there in two minutes. Me

17:01

too. Actually, so sorry,

17:04

so we still don't know how you met besides your

17:06

love of true crime. He

17:08

came in. You know, the night Stocker documentary was

17:12

I guess the year ago January, and uh, you

17:14

know it was highly tout and you know, I

17:17

think four episodes and I watched it. I

17:19

worked in north Warde at that time. And then you know, Gil was

17:21

the guy that you know, he shines in that

17:23

thing like he thought that it was

17:25

just one person wh everybody thought it was true. So then I

17:28

reached out to I think moments here,

17:30

and then he got me Gil's number and I called him

17:33

and I think his wife answered. I said, as girl

17:35

there, who's this? Says George Lopez silence,

17:38

and she I think she hung up, and uh

17:41

I didn't called back for a long time, and then I got

17:43

a text saying, hey, man, I got a call

17:45

from here like three weeks ago. Who

17:49

is this? You know that? So then I we finally talked.

17:51

Cute. I love

17:54

that. Well Mexicans, I mean we're gonna

17:56

meet eventually right

17:59

there there that cemetery,

18:01

let's the resurrection cemetery or that or

18:04

the baby does above it or baby

18:07

does. I mean Mexican

18:09

jew and Jews are just the same in that way. You

18:11

know, I'm like, I think we're all family. Honestly,

18:14

you can't get buried in a Mexican cemetery unless

18:16

you have tattoos

18:19

opposite for Jews.

18:23

Okay, I feel like I'm hogging the mic,

18:25

but um so, if anyone else wants

18:27

to hop in, we get along. You know, it's one of those

18:29

things where you know, you meet a guy and you feel

18:32

like you've known him a long time,

18:34

so you know, it's an interesting dynamic. And you

18:36

know, for one thing for the podcast is like I don't

18:38

really listen to them, and I don't really

18:40

kind of go over them or critique m I just do them, you know, because

18:43

it's the freest way to talk um

18:46

in in all of the things that I do, like in

18:48

stand up You're gonna piss somebody off, and then secret

18:51

Service at my house, and then in all

18:53

those things people get upset and and uh, people

18:56

about the secret service story. Oh

18:59

man, I

19:01

need to know. Now. I

19:04

go to Cedric. I take Cedric and his family

19:06

to chateau like early January, maybe

19:08

like two years ago, and

19:11

I'm looking at my Look at your phone, Look at my phone.

19:13

When I get in the car, and it says that allegedly

19:16

the leader of I Ran had offered a bounty on

19:19

our former leader and it was eighty million dollars

19:21

alleged. And then on the way back,

19:23

after a couple of mimosas and

19:26

and some dumb I wrote, we'll do it for

19:28

half. And

19:31

it turned the whole world upside down. And

19:34

they, you know, they just look for anything, you know. Somebody

19:36

said, you know, hey, when you're swimming with sharks, don't

19:38

bleed because I'll attack you. That was years ago, and

19:40

it's true, Like if you're in that rare fight

19:42

air and you and they want

19:44

you, and if you do something like that, you're you're allowing

19:46

everybody to kind of go after you. So it's

19:49

true. And then I watched you know, uh

19:51

Fox, and they sent me things from Fox

19:53

News wants to know what I what I meant and you

19:55

know, listen to show. But they

19:58

came down to the house and they said, do you think that

20:00

was funny? And I said, you know, I think when I did it,

20:02

I thought it was funny. But right now with you guys in fund

20:04

of the

20:09

CIA has no sense of humor. You

20:12

know, they don't want to drink coffee or water. You

20:14

know, it's like, what do you think I want to put something? You know?

20:17

You know. So so if they just were all business

20:20

and and for people that like, you're not trying to tell my daughter

20:22

everybody that's on social you're always sound old

20:24

when you say I try to tell my daughter. But

20:27

everything that we put on social media they

20:29

have and they know, and they they

20:32

they darsier. Were

20:34

you like, hey, just once I can we go live? No?

20:39

Yeah, no, no, that we weren't gonna go live, wasn't.

20:43

The question that really got me was do you

20:45

have any weapons in the house? And I was like, I'm sorry, I'm

20:47

sorry. Oh my god, that was

20:49

the one that got me too many weapons in the house. On

20:52

the way out, they were like, hey man, we loved your special. Do

20:57

you have a favor both

20:59

of you guys? Do you all have a favorite

21:01

crime? Favorite

21:04

crime? He's

21:07

like, what is wrong with the favorite

21:11

for a living? I don't. I don't look up any of this stuff.

21:14

You know, I did it for a living. Uh, George,

21:16

I'm fast by how much George really knows

21:19

and follows. I was on the podcast

21:21

with him one time and I mentioned the fact

21:23

that I was asked to consult on

21:25

the b t K Killer, and

21:27

as soon as I said b t K, he

21:29

said Dennis Raider. I

21:32

didn't remember Dennis Raider's name. I

21:34

don't remember half this stuff because to me, it's a job.

21:36

I'm not keeping it in there. He's

21:38

he's studied it, he's done it all,

21:41

and he's fascinated by it. So I don't.

21:43

I don't. My favorite crime in Canada would

21:46

be Russell Williams, and then my favorite crime

21:48

in in California would be

21:50

Manson, and then I

21:52

would probably go b t K in which it's

21:54

all. I was a Dahmer in Milwaukee.

21:57

I would go up into

22:00

this Sacramento, California that was buried one

22:02

Corona who was burying migrant workers. No wonder.

22:05

You know the lettuce didn't get picked one year and they

22:07

go, where's all the guys I used to work here? Killed

22:09

them all? Sen killed

22:11

like thirty thirty migrant

22:14

farmworkers and buried him into the with a great

22:16

name. That name up one Corona is a great

22:18

name. You

22:21

just rattled those off, those crimes off

22:23

like it was an ESPN fantasy rankings.

22:25

You're like, oh, you

22:29

know, the Lakers haven't been good in ten years, so I got

22:31

to focused by time somewhere else. I've

22:34

never even read the book on the Night Starker Kate.

22:36

You know there's a book written and I helped part

22:39

of the invest I've never read that. He's he's

22:41

a reader, he's a student. He's good. If

22:44

I had known this, I'd have been going to him for consulting

22:50

you. No name.

22:53

I testified in the Michael Jackson trial.

22:56

Wait, what, here's

23:00

my that's

23:05

Tom Mezzero standing that

23:08

guy that looks like the nutcracker sitting

23:10

down as Michael Jackson, and

23:12

then the one that looked like Mario Lopez

23:16

had to go to court. I looked at made me much younger.

23:19

And then the Rodney selling,

23:22

I think that is

23:24

amazing. George is

23:26

holding up a painting. It

23:28

is like a like a Bob Ross style painting,

23:31

like very well done of a courtroom scene

23:33

and it's the

23:36

artist of artists of all

23:38

crime that you know, you don't know cameras and

23:41

he was there and he drew that for me

23:43

and gave it to me, like

23:46

to what extent were you testifying? You

23:48

know, Uh, the Laft factory

23:50

had this, and you know this is that's

23:53

how something can go sideways. The last

23:55

factory had comedy camp for kids that were under

23:57

privilege, and I got the Latino kids.

24:00

I got the Arvizo family and

24:03

Jamie Fox did it and Leno,

24:06

Chris Tucker, myself, Arsenio and

24:08

that family was the family that accused

24:11

Michael Jackson of the

24:13

two thousand five trial.

24:16

So that kid left his wallet at my

24:19

house. I took him to go eat and just got out of the hospital.

24:21

I took him to go eat. And then when

24:24

I got back, my wife when I was married,

24:26

and said, you know, Gavin left his wallet

24:29

in here, and I opened the wallet he had fifty dollar billion

24:31

there, and I'm like, wh why does this kid have fifty

24:33

our billionaire? You know, it's like poor and

24:36

uh. Allegedly Michael Jennison gave

24:39

him the fifty, but then also the father

24:41

when I took the wallet back to the laugh

24:44

Factory, claimed that I

24:46

had taken three out of there, so which

24:48

was not true, and Tom Ezerro used

24:50

that as the defense, like the button

24:53

in his opening argument. So I

24:55

was walking in New York. I was gonna go do Regis

24:57

and Cathy or Katie

25:00

whoever, and I walked by. I was watching

25:02

Court TV, and I said, God, that guy looks like a lot like

25:04

me, and I that that is me. And it

25:06

said said to be to be

25:08

subpoena that this weekend, if not today,

25:11

and to testifying the trial. And I said,

25:13

well, how would you like to

25:15

get your subpoena in person? Or should you

25:17

have episode that my lawyer

25:19

when it got it delivered to him.

25:22

I would have loved if it was delibered you while you were

25:24

filming Regis. That

25:26

would have been amazing. I wish, I wish I would have taken

25:29

the three hundred, could have offset the seventy thousand

25:31

it cost me to hire a lawyer ring

25:33

to fly up. How about your

25:35

like, what what's this kid doing with fifty bucks?

25:37

And then they're like, well there was three D and the right

25:41

what are you doing with three hundred? Yeah?

25:44

So you know that, I mean just being around that. I mean

25:46

I've been around some crazy things in my life.

25:48

You know, I've been around um,

25:51

you know I was. I played golf with o J

25:53

after he got out. I was on the freeway when he went

25:55

by that that afternoon, I was going down coming

25:57

in a magic store. It

26:00

took me to twenty minutes to get from Sherman

26:02

Oaks to her most of the beach and I got

26:04

out stage and I said, hey, let's let out

26:06

every Friday because there was no traffic. All

26:12

right, I've said enough. Wow.

26:16

Gil has a look on He's like, you know, crime

26:18

is not funny. He looks

26:21

like he's like, I'm fascinating.

26:24

My job is just to set here, watch,

26:26

listen, laugh. Uh.

26:28

He fascinates me. I

26:30

gotta say, Gil, your your name and

26:32

Frank Sillerno. Anytime I listened to

26:35

something about, you know, crime

26:37

in the eighties and Los Angeles, those

26:39

are the names that come up. You guys did a

26:42

bang up job. Like every time there

26:44

was like a serial killer that was that was caught,

26:46

you guys were right there behind it. Thank

26:49

you. It's really all the people involved,

26:51

everybody around us. Somebody

26:53

gets to sign the handle on it, but it's it's

26:55

a team, and I was surrounded by

26:57

heroes. Oh that's nice.

27:00

A lot of the stuff I've heard was like, oh,

27:02

no one thought this, no one gave an extra but then

27:04

it was it was Gilbert and and Frank

27:07

that thought, no, no, there's something more to this. So it sounds

27:09

like you guys, and I know you you definitely seem

27:11

too modest to take this, but I'm just gonna finish

27:13

it off, is that it seems like you guys were the ones that

27:15

always thought things through and and did the

27:18

final steps. Are the extra steps that led to

27:20

a lot of those captures. Thank

27:22

you. Then, and then

27:24

ended up on the George Wolf Oh my God

27:26

I podcast. So where

27:28

did if Richard Ramirez handn't

27:30

gone to the dentist? How much longer do

27:32

you think he would have been out there? Guilt? We

27:35

said when he hit in the mission vehicle, we'd

27:38

have him within two weeks, and we had no idea

27:40

who we was yet, but we

27:42

thought we'd have within two weeks. And

27:46

today that they released his name, we

27:49

said, give us twenty four hours, and

27:52

you know, hindsight. Uh, they

27:56

released his name because they had to, and I understand why,

27:59

and he was caught. The next point, what

28:01

do you think the fascination is with women

28:04

who want to marry serial killers

28:07

once they're in jail. I

28:09

have no idea. He had some gorgeous, beautiful,

28:12

well one would call sexy

28:14

he and

28:17

then he up marrying one of

28:19

the ones that attractive

28:21

den But she

28:23

she she thought he was innocent.

28:26

That's what she says. I never spoke

28:29

with her. I don't care. It's

28:31

bizarre, Like, didn't somebody married Kenny

28:34

Bianci right, one of the Hillside stranglers,

28:36

and then they like committed a crime,

28:39

a murder for him to prove that it wasn't

28:41

him because he was behind bars at that time or something. It's

28:43

insane. Yes, And

28:45

this is I know this is a little awkward because I don't know if you guys

28:48

know that. Leah. Anytime there's a

28:50

serial killer that we talked about, Lee is like, oh, he's

28:52

hot always. She

28:54

has like a fascination. Well, I

28:56

mean, maybe you're just not that picky leat.

29:00

I mean, we've seen my list of

29:02

men that I've dated, so I probably am not that picky.

29:05

But I do think in a

29:08

different alternate to mention a

29:10

different timeline, you know, I

29:13

think he was he could have been like a model Ali

29:16

and needs She's fine as long as

29:18

a guy either has a mug shot or a head shot.

29:20

And she said like she's

29:23

like, this is my guy.

29:27

But those are so deviant though, I mean,

29:29

you know, to think that a

29:32

woman would be like that's my guy, all

29:34

right to him, and you know they you all

29:36

said there was some women that would sit

29:38

in court and you know, he'd wear his classes and he kind

29:40

of look over his shouldren go like that, and he was just

29:42

moving these women, Like even women

29:45

that were lawyers would go in there and

29:47

sit there and watch him like I guess

29:50

he was. I don't know if he what

29:52

that magnetism is, but even

29:54

everybody I think involved with the case said

29:56

that that if you laid eyes on that dude, like he

29:59

was magnetic, you know, like, umguil

30:04

right, he was kind of you had something.

30:08

Everybody would say something see something

30:10

different. Some women Sophie Dickman, who

30:12

testified at the age of sixty five, as

30:15

five victims said, he was quite a handsome

30:17

young man, you know, so he

30:20

had chisel look to him. And I

30:23

don't know. I wasn't not my

30:25

type. Do you think it's a fascination

30:27

of like wanting to change

30:30

somebody and thinking you'd be capable to

30:32

do that, or do you think it's like we

30:34

were saying, because he's has fame.

30:37

Or there

30:39

was one follower, a little Filipino young

30:42

lady went every day to

30:44

the preliminary hearing and

30:46

then she'd go visit him in the jail constantly.

30:49

After the case was over, I was talking to him and

30:51

I said, rich, whatever happened to Bernadad? And

30:54

he said, ah, she's come by. But she was trying

30:56

to talk uh to go back

30:58

into Catholicism, get back into Christianity,

31:01

get back into God, I said,

31:03

And he said, oh, no, it didn't work. And

31:05

I heard because I had taught her into doing porno,

31:08

so he hear into doing porno

31:10

and she wanted him to go back in the church. So

31:13

I don't know. At one time he asked me, why do you think

31:15

I am the way I am? And the same

31:18

answer is just like, why

31:20

did these ladies do it? I have no idea

31:23

a doctor would give you an answer to that. And

31:25

they get paid a lot more money than I did

31:27

as a cop. And he

31:30

never showed any remorse practice.

31:32

He showed remorse for one victim, one victim

31:34

only, and after he kidnapped

31:37

a tenure a little girl and

31:40

let her go, after this case is all over, what

31:42

we're talking to me. The only thing he was remorseful

31:44

about, besides the one teenage

31:46

girl, that he had assaulted a

31:48

little ten year old girl. And he wasn't sorry for her. He

31:51

was sad. He was sad and because a little

31:53

puppy got out when he took the girl, and

31:55

he was concerned for the puppy. Didn't know if the puppy

31:58

had made it home. Wow,

32:01

But you know I worked in I worked in

32:03

the valley in north Ridge around that time, and

32:06

you know, no social media, remember, no phones

32:08

and and nothing. So um

32:11

when he was out there and he was hitting in the valley

32:13

and around north Ridge, and when you

32:15

would leave working and start the sun would start

32:17

to go down. You could feel in

32:20

the air that tension

32:22

of this guy being out there and not and

32:24

not getting caught yet and

32:27

in that area, and I mean, I've never felt

32:29

it in any other part time of be

32:32

living out here, but in north Ridge in the mid

32:34

eighties. There when that guy was on the loose, you

32:37

could feel the tension. You could

32:39

see people going home, you could see the

32:41

streets with less cars on him, and

32:43

that guy would still hit like

32:46

it's like you you're expecting

32:48

me to do it, and he still

32:50

did it. And then it made the next time

32:52

even even worse like that, just

32:55

it was no but no one was out

32:57

when he was out there. How

33:00

common is it that a serial killer

33:02

doesn't have a type? This

33:06

was What he was doing was quite uncommon.

33:09

A matter of fact, nobody had been in criminal

33:11

history had been documented doing

33:13

what he was doing. The

33:15

several different methods of this

33:18

modus operandi, the method of his operation,

33:22

from the way he killed him and to what are his victims

33:24

were, And so normally

33:27

everybody sticks to a certain type. This

33:29

guy went was all over the place. So

33:32

the only pattern was that he were

33:34

the obvious shoes. His

33:36

only consistency was his inconsistency.

33:40

He wore the via shoe up

33:42

until a favorite senator went

33:45

public with the shoe shoe information, at which

33:47

time he from over the Golden gate Bridge and

33:50

change shoes, went to a stadia as

33:53

opposed to the via. And and that

33:55

how important was it? I can tell you without

33:57

equivocation that on

34:00

January nine, five, one

34:02

thousand, three D fifty six Pairer model for

34:04

forty avias entered the United States from Taiwan

34:07

through New York, of which six

34:10

pair ended up in the state of California, with

34:12

one pair ended up the city Los Angeles.

34:15

So that was almost as good as a fingerprint, right,

34:18

And so he'd been wearing gloves the whole time, so

34:21

that one fingerprint was the

34:23

only fingerprint he left. Right. He wore

34:25

gloves, either cheap gloves,

34:28

gardening gloves, or even

34:30

socks. He just put socks on his hands.

34:33

He did leave a print. We

34:35

found an old case June

34:38

night four and

34:40

uh Jenny Vinkow, which

34:43

was an l ap D case. He had a

34:45

live print. But back in nineteen four

34:47

and eighty five, fingerprints weren't

34:49

automated, with the exception of felons, so

34:51

he had never had a felony

34:54

conviction, so they weren't They

34:57

were of the computers, and so fingerprints

34:59

didn't mean it. But he left the fingerprint on a car,

35:02

and he left the fingerprint at the residents of Jenny

35:04

Vinko. How did you end

35:06

up getting involved in the case in the first

35:08

place? But was it by location or

35:12

back then in the old days we used to wear beepers.

35:16

I was on all I knew. I was up. People

35:18

went off then forty March seventeen uh

35:23

and they said Europe, you got a murder, and it was

35:26

That's where I went. And then you started linking stuff together

35:28

and just get going. You got a U up

35:30

page. No, I just got up.

35:34

You know you're on call. You got your murderer.

35:40

What number murder was that?

35:42

That was the first one in the modern series. And

35:44

we say modern because we did find

35:46

the one L A p D. During the investigations. We

35:49

got this murder over here that occurred of

35:51

Jenny Vincow in June of eighty four, and

35:55

that was out of Northeast Division. And

35:58

I said, just hold on to it, and he

36:00

says, we have a live print, but

36:03

we can't make it. We've run it, nothing, no hits

36:05

on it. I will just hold onto the case until

36:07

after we solve ours

36:09

and once we have somebody in custody then

36:11

we'll match the prints. And it turned out of what same

36:14

guy? Wow, So

36:16

you mentioned that the with the

36:18

sneakers and then somebody let that out and then

36:20

it kind of you know, I understand.

36:22

That's why you guys keep so much information close

36:25

to the vest. Is that because if something gets out, then

36:27

they can react to that. Was there ever one when

36:29

you thought you were like real close and and somebody

36:31

like information leaked and it completely

36:33

derailed the case. Yeah, that's

36:36

the nice one. Yeah,

36:39

No, that's exactly why we

36:41

keep some information on the news. I

36:43

watched people today. Uh

36:46

the georgiall

36:49

call me. I don't know, they'll call me and he

36:51

calls me names all the time. But uh, the

36:54

actor that just shot somebody

36:56

on the movie set. Okay,

36:59

Now, the police

37:01

officers and charged over there. They were given an

37:03

awful lot of information and you can

37:05

tell they're not used to dealing with

37:08

high profile cases. So the

37:11

less contact you have with the press, the

37:14

more information you're gonna you're gonna leak

37:16

out. During this case, the chief

37:18

of police Monterey Park let

37:20

out the on

37:23

the Joyce Nelson murder or Dot

37:26

William and Emily Dot Uh

37:29

the blood Curtly calls you listen

37:31

to the news, and they always put out these calls

37:34

because that gets people to watch

37:36

their news. Well, that was the last

37:38

time Richard ever left the phone intact. He

37:41

once it went out publicly. From that point

37:44

on, he disabled every phone in the house.

37:47

So they follow. You better believe that

37:49

these serial killers are following the news just like

37:51

we are. Do you think they get

37:53

off on seeing themselves in the

37:55

news

37:57

As an example, it's definitely to

38:00

quote Richard, I've got an ego that will fill this filled

38:03

this room, but I can tell you everything about the time that

38:05

Romans fed the Christians to the

38:08

Alliance to modernate serial killers, which

38:11

was yeah,

38:14

sorry, go ahead, No, that was it. You

38:16

just had a big That's why I was disappointed,

38:19

because the night Stalker is a is a

38:22

for all you know, in tense purposes, a pretty

38:24

cool title. But my understanding, and correct

38:27

me if I'm wrong, is that he originally they

38:29

called him the screen door Intruder. They

38:32

had several names from it, and we didn't.

38:34

The law enforcement doesn't make up the names.

38:37

That's the local media that makes up names.

38:40

But you know, it's like, screw him. I wish I wish

38:42

he had been stuck with that one rather than getting a cool

38:44

one the screen door intruder like

38:49

yeah, yeah, or a mosquito. You

38:51

know. Well, it's interesting he would wear

38:53

sunglasses in the courtroom. How

38:55

did they even allow that? Well

38:57

they did. They try to take him, get

38:59

him to take him off, and he didn't want to judlin

39:02

him do it. He just makes him

39:04

look so much cooler though he was.

39:06

He thought he was cool. People

39:09

obviously thought he was cool. It looks

39:11

like he just had a really fun night in Vegas and

39:13

came to court looked like a Miami

39:16

dope dealers. You

39:18

know. One

39:20

of my one of my favorite things about

39:23

that document is he's he is

39:25

tied up at the waist and the prosecutor

39:29

is talking about him to

39:31

him and and you know, really in

39:33

in in tough tones about being a murderer

39:36

and being this and being you know, in

39:38

human and like a lot of when

39:41

they somebody's talking to

39:43

him like that, they kind of kind of

39:45

rock almost like a like a chicken, you know, and they're

39:48

like, hey, you'll know the movie. It's like

39:50

hey, this, this, this, and this, and he does

39:52

that to the prosecutor even

39:54

though his his hands are

39:56

shackled at the waist and he's going like this

39:58

to him, and it's it's chilling,

40:00

man, because you know, we grew up around guys like that,

40:02

and you know that that guy has that

40:05

in him where this

40:07

guy is just berating him and

40:09

even though he's done what he's done, it's like you're

40:11

doing it in front of my face. And you see

40:13

him really kind of kind

40:16

of get that posture,

40:18

you know, get that get that feeling like what it must have

40:20

been like when he was when he was out there, you know, nobody

40:22

does that without I mean it was high on

40:25

crack and all that stuff. But you could see

40:27

that guy just pump up and you know, you're like,

40:29

wow, man, and like that. Nobody very

40:31

much. He did that very much. And culturally

40:34

speaking, one day he came in and the news

40:36

media went they went nuts

40:38

because he walked in shackled and he saw

40:40

me sitting in the courtroom and he just bobbed

40:42

his head and real and

40:45

they thought it was death threats, the non

40:47

Spanish speaking me. They thought death threat

40:50

The only one that knew what he was talking about was Tony

40:52

Beldez from then Fox New

40:54

Channel Loving he laughed and to this day,

40:56

every time Tony sees me here.

41:04

Do you think that do

41:06

you guys think that it's

41:08

it's possible that they are serial killers

41:11

are born this way, or do you think

41:13

it's always childhood. I have no

41:15

idea, what's a kid

41:17

some else I born,

41:20

nurture or learned. I

41:22

have no idea. I have normal. Oh

41:26

yeah, sorry, this

41:29

is an inferiority that they suffer that

41:31

that triggers them to go

41:34

and do things that garner

41:36

either attention or

41:39

respect or with women

41:41

that they probably could have never maybe

41:43

had. I mean, then the b t K killer was

41:46

trying to be like a police officer

41:48

and something that he he was, you know, really

41:50

strange and just didn't pass

41:52

the test. And then he became like a

41:55

guy that went around the neighborhood to let you know

41:57

that you're your your grasp

41:59

was so higher, you had to fix this wall.

42:01

He just became one of those guys that that becomes

42:03

a nuisance really to say,

42:05

what did that guy say, goes, I says, I can't leave my trash

42:08

cans out there? And he became that

42:10

guy. And part of that being

42:13

looked down or being laughed at, or being

42:15

ridicule for what the job he had and he

42:17

had no power in that job, but he

42:19

could, you know, in that

42:22

area, like kick over

42:24

somebody's house and be in there waiting with

42:27

that a limit of surprise. He waited in the closets

42:29

and stuff like that. So when you pop out, I mean you're

42:31

talking about being larger than life. It doesn't

42:33

matter what size you are, you pop out of somebody's

42:36

closet, like this girl was on a date and her boyfriend

42:38

had left and she was changing and he popped out of the closet.

42:40

That's I guess that rush

42:43

that those guys get that has to be something for

42:46

them that they that they go off. Gil, that's

42:48

right, that's right. Stuff

42:50

would scare me, you know, just I

42:53

listen to so many cops of that. I'll let him come

42:55

to my house. I'll kill him. I'll do this. Once you

42:57

have that element of surprise, it's scared to be teas

43:00

is. You'd make anybody shift in their pants, Gil.

43:03

Gil was walking he thought he heard a noise. You could tell

43:05

him in the middle of the night. Yes, uh,

43:08

July seven, three thirty in the morning. I woke

43:10

up and I was by myself

43:13

my family at this time, and moved out with

43:15

my My wife had moved out with my children,

43:18

and I couldn't sleep. I was having nightmares,

43:20

and subconsciously I felt somebody was in my

43:22

house. I thought he was here, and so

43:24

I got out of bed and I was profusely

43:28

sweating. I was scared. My stomach

43:31

was in knots. I felt like I was gonna vomit. I

43:33

grabbed my gun and I literally

43:35

walked around the inside of my house,

43:39

checking my house, clearing my house as if it was there

43:41

was a burglar inside. And I couldn't

43:43

call the cops because I lived in sheriff's jurisdiction

43:45

where I work. And I

43:47

said, if I call the cops, they come down here and they're gonna

43:49

say I'm crazy, and and maybe I

43:52

was, you know, but I was having nightmares and I'm

43:54

sick. I went and I got back in bed,

43:56

and I said, what the hell is he doing right

43:58

now? And good homicide

44:00

cop that I was just like nurses when

44:03

something goes on, first thing you do is you look at your watch,

44:06

see what time it is. You can document it. I

44:09

looked at the clock. It was three thirty in the morning, and

44:11

I'm saying, God, damn it, what's he doing. It's killing

44:13

me. And then I got a phone call

44:15

from another deputy that was working

44:17

our crime crime

44:19

lab. She had been on some of the cases.

44:22

She's a dear friend of mine. I got a call

44:24

from my office and call her up. I called her up

44:26

and she said, Gil, you better come down here. I think

44:28

the lady right across free from me she's

44:31

just been raped and I think it's part

44:33

of what you're working on. That case

44:36

turned out to be Sophie Dickman, one

44:38

of our surviving victims, and

44:41

at three, she says, at three

44:43

thirty in the morning, he was sodomizing her,

44:48

plot sodomizing her, and

44:51

her only fear was that

44:54

he would kill her because he was embarrassed

44:56

because he couldn't maintain an direction. And

45:00

she was working. She used to work. She was a nurse

45:03

for at that that time General Hospital, and that

45:05

at that time she was working the psychiatric

45:07

work. She was very calm, she was

45:09

very tough. Wow,

45:13

wow, sorry.

45:15

Do you think that this case, like when you

45:17

talk about bringing it home, do you think

45:19

that this case hit you harder than any of the

45:21

others. This case

45:24

had me on the brink of going nuts or

45:28

I told my partner, uh Salerno

45:30

on the September, we had a dinner

45:34

celebrating, Uh, and

45:37

I apologize. Uh,

45:41

there's some Mexican restaurant.

45:45

Uh. The owner of bill Cello's gave gave

45:48

the task force. My partner's wife

45:50

used to be a bookkeeper for him, and

45:52

he had the task

45:54

force down his restaurant and gave

45:57

us a nice dinner. And on the way down there, I told my partner,

46:00

you know, you had me for about two more weeks before

46:02

I just went completely bad ship. I

46:05

was getting stressed out, I was getting

46:07

short with everybody. I was getting short with my

46:09

wife. Uh. When

46:11

I did see her and

46:15

she finally moved out with the kids. The

46:17

day of the

46:20

day he was arrested, I

46:23

affectionately called her sister Mary Clarence,

46:26

because she's the religious She's the nice one,

46:28

and I'm the devil. I'm the asshole in the family.

46:32

And Uh. I called her up and I said,

46:34

he's in custody, we've got him. It's

46:36

over. And she said,

46:38

what do you mean it's over? Why isn't he dead?

46:41

Uh? And then that

46:44

night that day, my cousin had

46:48

got married and my kids had something to do

46:50

with it. I didn't know what was

46:52

going on. Oh, there. They were doing

46:55

something with a wedding, and

46:57

so I went. I

46:59

said, I'll just go to the Hilton.

47:02

I'll be there sometime tonight. Get

47:04

us a room, and we'll just spend the night

47:06

there. I walked

47:09

in and people were saying

47:11

I could hear him saying, Oh, that's him, that's him, that's him

47:14

meaning me. And

47:16

I was just thoroughly exhausted

47:19

and I wasn't feeling

47:21

good. I went up and told my cousin, uh,

47:25

congratulations. When up to

47:27

the bar, got me a drink. Somebody bought me a

47:29

drink. The bartender said, your money is

47:31

no good here if you don't have a sponsor of the bar sponsors

47:33

you. And I just told my wife, you know what, I just

47:35

want to go to bed tonight because it's night. I

47:37

don't wanna take any way, but I want to go to bid. I'm tired.

47:40

And so I was not. I

47:43

was not good. It was like the game's

47:45

over, super Bowl time is here. We made

47:47

it to the playoffs thoroughly

47:50

drained, and I was about I didn't how much and

47:53

much gas left in the tank. My captain

47:55

was saying. At that time, we were working six

47:57

eighteen hours a day, seven days a week and

48:02

you use a ballbuster. Okay,

48:17

and we're back to real time crime and we

48:19

have with us George Lopez and Guil Courio.

48:22

Hey, guys, so let's just head right back

48:24

into the conversation. So your partner,

48:26

Frank was on the cover of the l A Times and

48:29

said that he started to fear for his safety

48:31

and his family. And

48:35

I mean, did you feel that same sort

48:38

of terrified feeling

48:40

that he would come for your family? I

48:43

understand this. Frank is older

48:45

and wiser than Gil Courio is Frank.

48:50

You know, Uh, I really

48:52

didn't have My whole focus

48:56

was on capturing the killer. My

48:58

documentary dropped. My

49:01

wife and I stood up and we've been binge watched

49:03

it and m

49:08

killer Russell, the director captured some stuff

49:10

that was really important to

49:13

me. I cried watching the

49:15

documentary, and George will tell

49:17

you all that ain't shit. He cries all the time anyway.

49:20

But I cried and I laughed,

49:24

and as soon as it was over, the first thing I did

49:26

was apologized to my

49:28

wife, as I

49:31

I didn't realize, I asked her for forgiveness

49:34

because during the case, it's

49:37

kind of like, okay, here it is you're

49:40

in charge, meaning my wife. She was in charge

49:42

of the house and the kids, and

49:45

I didn't want to hear about any problems going on over here

49:47

because my focus was captured the

49:49

bad guy, because the bad guy could kill my

49:51

wife, for kids or anybody else. So

49:54

my total focus was there, and I didn't have enough time

49:56

to spend about worry about anybody else. That's

49:59

all I did. So I apologized

50:02

because I never thought of the fear factor that

50:04

she was going through, so

50:07

I didn't think of anything else. Frank Wiser

50:09

longer, you know, he thought of everything

50:12

I didn't. Uh The week before

50:15

his arrest, when he hit down a

50:17

mission vehicle, I came home and I

50:19

found footprints around my house and

50:21

they weren't the via, but they would looked like they could

50:24

have been the studio, and they shouldn't

50:26

have been where they were. He didn't get

50:28

in, he didn't go to my back, but he was around concrete

50:31

up where it shouldn't have been. So

50:33

we had some cops now sitting

50:36

on my house. But that

50:39

was sitting on there for me

50:41

because my family was gone. So I wasn't concerned about

50:43

my family. Uh.

50:46

I told my mom, you know,

50:48

shut the windows and

50:52

my mom just says why,

50:54

And I couldn't and I couldn't speak.

50:57

I couldn't tell anybody about

50:59

what was really going on, how bad it really was, so

51:02

as not to create panic and fear.

51:05

Mhm, How did you

51:07

end up knowing that it was one

51:10

guy? I I feel like for a while

51:13

most people thought it was too correct.

51:17

A lot of people thought it was more than one

51:19

person going around, a couple of serial

51:21

killers working in the same area, a couple of killers

51:24

they didn't know they were related. I

51:26

owe everything that I put my

51:28

heart and soul in the case, but owe everything to a guy named

51:31

Dr Robert Morneau, who

51:33

taught me things that he in his words,

51:35

I can hear him today. Any reasonable and prudent

51:38

sex crimes investigator would notice that nobody

51:40

else would. And so there were things

51:42

that kept coming out in the case that

51:44

I could see, this is a sex crime.

51:47

When you have a sex crime, you had a shoe print,

51:50

you had people given you, uh

51:52

physical descriptions of the suspect that

51:55

all seemed to match up. I'm saying, it's one guy. It's

51:57

one guy. It's one guy. The problem

51:59

is, and I can understand why nobody would believe

52:01

me. Nobody in criminal

52:04

history had ever been documented

52:06

doing what this guy did. I mean, little girls,

52:08

little boys, old women, younger

52:10

women. It didn't make a difference.

52:13

Why do you think he lets some of the younger

52:16

children live the acquiesced

52:18

his command. If anybody, if

52:20

you acquis, you lived. If you didn't even put up

52:22

a fight and didn't follow his prorections, you died.

52:26

He killed one girl. We found out in two thousand

52:29

and ten he killed a girl uh and

52:32

five as well up in San Francisco.

52:35

And they had made him on DNA because back

52:38

then when we were working in case they didn't have DNA.

52:41

They made him on a DNA case up there, and

52:44

she was I want to say she was ten years old.

52:46

But she put up a fight. And that's

52:48

the only uh child

52:51

that he killed. Right, So

52:54

the purchase of guns was way up in California.

52:57

People were scared. People

52:59

were terrified. He was gouging

53:01

out eyes of the victim. He

53:03

was using old torture devices,

53:05

thumb cuffs, he was using bullets

53:08

that aren't even being made anymore. I

53:10

mean, why do you think he was

53:13

so gruesome and using these older

53:16

tactics, or do you I

53:18

mean, why would someone do that.

53:21

Where would they even get the idea to use

53:23

thumb cuffs when

53:25

he first started using we found the thumb cuffs,

53:28

and I the first thing I said was from

53:30

surviving victims. He's using point shoulder

53:34

shooting, which means he's got his hands in front of him,

53:36

just you know, stick your hands out like that at

53:39

point. That's taught in military. It's

53:41

taught law enforcement thumb cuffs. Who

53:43

were using Asia, So I'm looking at somebody

53:45

that maybe perhaps had been in Vietnam

53:49

and in Asia or they or they

53:51

they did use thumb cuffs, and

53:54

gun sales went up. A

53:57

very good friend of George

54:00

is now a friend of mine. He's

54:02

still afraid momos buying guns

54:05

to protect themselves. So people, some

54:07

people have a fascination with guns, some people don't.

54:10

Personally, I never did have a fascination

54:12

with guns. And it was a tool, just like

54:14

a hammer to a carpenter. That's all

54:16

it was. Was tooled to me and

54:18

I ask you a question. So we

54:20

talked about, you know, some of the reasons you keep

54:22

stuff close to the vest. Now, George,

54:25

who is obviously one of the funniest people

54:27

there is and confined humor in anything

54:30

when he was telling the story about the Secret Service, you

54:32

could tell correct me if I'm wrong. George in your

54:34

face you were like, oh, this is not now, we're not

54:37

joking around, Like this is serious ship. I'm not gonna make

54:39

a joke. What is it with

54:41

people that confess to doing these

54:44

murders that have nothing to do with it? Like, what's

54:46

it? Why? Why does that

54:48

happen? And obviously

54:50

obviously it puts another layer into your job

54:52

because now you've got to keep some stuff

54:54

away, you know, close to the vest. And if they

54:57

admit to it but don't know that fact, then

54:59

you know it's not them. Why did they do that? You

55:02

have to watch people. We

55:04

had at least five people come forward to confess to

55:07

being the night starter, you

55:09

know, and and all five of them

55:11

we're not playing with a full seabag, you know. They

55:14

were missing something upstairs,

55:16

but they wanted the attention for whatever. About the guy

55:18

that had the magazines and he had like women's

55:21

clothes in there. He seemed like that

55:23

was the guy right at first, because he just

55:25

we thought he was the guy. We we thought

55:27

he was a guy. There was a gentleman that we put a surveillance

55:30

team on. We followed him for a couple of days. We

55:32

did a search warrn on his house and he had

55:38

we we found magazines, you know, back in the old

55:40

days. People use computers now, but

55:43

he had sears, uh

55:45

advertising women in brawls and panties

55:48

and stuff that you'd see in magazine back then. He

55:50

had him cut out all over the place, women's

55:52

underwear slices, real

55:56

underwear slices in the

55:58

crotch area. Now, I just had

56:00

to laugh in the beginning everything that I've said

56:03

about George, I'll see,

56:05

that's something that never went public. And

56:07

that's something that I've just told George about. And George

56:09

remembers his stuff about the guy that

56:11

we followed around and the cut patties. I

56:14

wonder how many cut patties you have in your house, George.

56:17

Well, I can tell you if they're gonna be cut patties, they're gonna

56:19

be the owner of that dog that's been down

56:21

there barking for seven years in the row, allegedly

56:29

I'm waiting for Cadbury to send in a shipment of chocolate.

56:35

And and you

56:39

said he is one of the George one of the funniest

56:41

men. And I beg to differ

56:43

with you. I I just went to watch

56:45

him at the Microsoft and his stand up

56:48

special on Saturday. He is the

56:50

funniest, the funniest.

56:52

I'm just able to make it out there. We

56:55

gained my composure and he's the

56:57

funniest man. He's the he's man

56:59

to tell it like you have. You

57:01

know, I don't put years into

57:03

something that just becomes air or

57:05

the minute you say it, after you say it.

57:12

But you know, I think I think being an only child

57:15

in that time, and you know, in

57:18

the Mexican culture, you know, there's

57:21

like these these magazines the Allottama, which

57:23

is the Alarm, and there's these magazines

57:25

that they would show crashes

57:27

in Mexico when they show all of it, and

57:29

they sold them at at at

57:31

liquor stores and stuff like that, and my grandparents would

57:33

buy them and there was a lot of my how was yellowing

57:35

and and then you would go in there and see this stuff and you're

57:38

like, at that time, the only place

57:40

you could see that was like in a magazine like that and

57:42

disturbing images. And I think that that in

57:46

in part of growing up. I

57:48

think, you know, like you know, with kids, everything, you know,

57:51

I have a daughter that five, and I would I

57:53

would say, you know, when the kids see something, they can't

57:56

unsee it, you know, so you

57:58

know where I saw things that I knew

58:00

I shouldn't have seen that. You want to make sure that

58:02

your children don't see things that they'll

58:05

never be able to unsee. Well,

58:08

that's interesting because he

58:11

lived with his older cousin who had

58:13

been in Vietnam, and

58:15

maybe that's where he thought

58:18

of using thumb cuffs because

58:20

he used to be shown photos and he

58:22

killed people brutally in Vietnam.

58:25

I mean. The other thing is that he had he was beaten,

58:27

He had multiple head injuries to the point where he

58:30

was having seizures. And I'm not

58:32

trying to say, do you think he had brain damage

58:34

and that is the reason that he lacked

58:37

empathy? But maybe

58:39

I am saying that. I'm not sure what I'm saying.

58:42

Um Okay,

58:44

Well, I'm not trying to link brain damage

58:46

to Satanism, but I

58:48

am curious to know how he

58:51

went from you know,

58:53

all these violent situations and

58:55

seeing disturbing murders and

58:57

violence as and rape as a child. Um.

59:01

And and he witnessed his

59:03

cousin shooting his own wife and

59:05

murdering her. And

59:07

then he went from being a scared

59:09

young man to being a cold

59:12

calculated killer almost

59:14

immediately. And then took

59:16

an interest in Satanism and made

59:18

his victims swear to Satan, swear

59:20

their love of Satan. You know, they'd say like, oh my god,

59:23

ball and he would he would say, no, swear to Satan.

59:27

He as a kid, he was beating his

59:29

He tells his dad used to beat him, eat

59:31

him with a hose. In order to get away from his dad, used

59:34

to go sleep in the bulk that cemetery

59:36

and started Jesus Christ

59:38

and no one knows he

59:40

is comfortable, beastful there. And he

59:42

didn't get into Satanism until he came out to l A

59:45

and doing dope was they

59:47

were into Satanism.

59:49

And so that's when he got into Satanism

59:52

out here. And what happened

59:54

once he got into Satanism he realized that the

59:57

booty and I don't mean you're gluty

1:00:00

his Maximus, but the stuff he was stealing, all of

1:00:02

his uh stolen property

1:00:04

was getting good and so

1:00:07

and that's when he started killing, killing

1:00:09

because people would resist him. So

1:00:11

he had the booty was going good. He really got

1:00:13

into Satanism. And but when

1:00:15

you stop think about it, because people ask

1:00:17

me, weren't you afraid to go in there and talk to him?

1:00:20

And no, not at all, because he was just

1:00:22

another human and Satanism

1:00:25

is just another form of religion. You

1:00:27

know, Ted Bundy. People don't

1:00:29

realize Ted Bundy was a Christian, but

1:00:32

they don't say, oh, Ted Bundy's

1:00:34

a Christian. But if you had to put satan

1:00:36

you have been studying Satanism, you'd have made

1:00:38

him that much uglier. And that's

1:00:40

what the fear factor for

1:00:42

Richard was. He's into Satanism and he's killing all these

1:00:44

people. He's the devil. So that's

1:00:47

another reason people were so fearful of him.

1:00:49

Do you think if you would have talked to him

1:00:51

in a different circumstance that

1:00:53

you would have known he was a serial killer

1:00:56

by the way that he carried on conversation.

1:00:59

No, not at all, not at

1:01:01

all. But he wasn't clean, you know, he smelled

1:01:03

right bad team.

1:01:07

What they were smell smelling

1:01:10

was the fact just imagine a locker

1:01:12

room at a high school, a football baseball

1:01:14

team. They sweat in their practice gear

1:01:16

and they put it in the locker and it stinks and

1:01:18

by the end of the wink, you know, by the end of the week,

1:01:21

stinks to high heaven. He was using

1:01:23

what we call the kill kids, so the clothes that he'd

1:01:25

used to go out and killing. When they were done,

1:01:27

he put him in a bag and put him in a locker there at the

1:01:29

Grayound bus depot, so just

1:01:33

smell they cool, So they were right, you

1:01:36

know, So he didn't smell personally.

1:01:38

And probably the biggest question I

1:01:40

get asked on Instagram

1:01:42

did he really smelled like a goat? Did he have a breath

1:01:44

of a goat? And never

1:01:46

smelled it because by the time we got to him, we had

1:01:49

all his clothes off him and never

1:01:51

did get that smelling. Well, this episode

1:01:53

of the podcast sponsored by Greyhound Bus Stations

1:01:57

but l

1:02:00

advertising. But

1:02:02

you know that guy was He was able to get off the

1:02:04

Greyhound in l a look into

1:02:07

the lobby of where the people are waiting, identify

1:02:10

police officers, and back up and go out

1:02:12

where the busses are. Like he he would

1:02:15

have walked through that lobby of that bus people in downtown

1:02:17

LA would have been arrested, but he could. He

1:02:19

noticed police right away and

1:02:22

then he he didn't going back down

1:02:24

and then he had was able to get away that

1:02:26

at that time. I think he got caught later. But so

1:02:29

interesting that he ended up getting caught by a mob

1:02:32

of angry civilians. Started

1:02:34

with an angry husband. I mean he turned

1:02:37

to car jack his wife. The

1:02:39

guy at that time, and he's still a

1:02:42

good Mexicans and bad Mexicans. Good

1:02:44

Mexicans all had a two by four

1:02:46

baseball bat or pipe nearby.

1:02:49

The batman's all had guns. And it was

1:02:51

the good ones that caught him. I mean

1:02:53

he hit the guy in the head with a pipe, gave him a couple

1:02:55

of blows of the head. Richard

1:02:57

at this time had been running uh

1:03:00

over the ten foot sound walls of the five

1:03:02

freeway, so across the freeway

1:03:04

ran a good uh mile and

1:03:06

a half two miles in a run.

1:03:09

And so he's tired. They hit

1:03:11

him. There was no more fight left in him, was

1:03:14

it? He just kind of

1:03:16

his mistake was to say get out of the car, bitch,

1:03:18

And you call a Mexican lady or in a woman a bitch,

1:03:20

and the ouzens around the store for you man

1:03:24

hit him with the house. They picked up everybody

1:03:27

spence what what was loose? So they put

1:03:29

they put up that big like that. Uh

1:03:32

that's metal rod that holes in the fence, and they

1:03:35

just put it up and just dropped it on his head. Matter

1:03:38

of fact, just about three

1:03:40

weeks ago I got word I was

1:03:42

asked to attend, and I did attend the funeral of

1:03:44

one of the participants in

1:03:46

his arrest about

1:03:49

three weeks ago, a month ago. With the funeral, Well,

1:03:52

so do you think that it's

1:03:55

fair. I don't even know if that's the right

1:03:57

word. That he died of lymphoma, and

1:04:00

that he was never executed. Oh,

1:04:02

I don't care, So I put

1:04:05

him away. He's in there. I

1:04:07

was told years ago by by a warden,

1:04:09

after seven years of being in death row,

1:04:12

you go bad ship anyway. So I really

1:04:14

don't care how he died. I just know that there's

1:04:17

no appeals that I have to go back to court on. It's

1:04:19

over with. It's a done deal. And

1:04:22

there were people that were upset that he he only did

1:04:25

twenty years and that, and that you didn't spend the

1:04:27

rest of his life in prison. But like you

1:04:29

know, Gill said, you don't, you know, it's all been

1:04:31

kind of glamorized, you know, death throw and you

1:04:33

know, uh, like Scott Peterson and

1:04:36

you know those guys over there, um

1:04:39

that it. It's

1:04:41

appealing when it's shown on you know Everything

1:04:43

A and he's got a crime channel and all that. So

1:04:46

it's a bit I wasn't

1:04:49

appealing, but it's not what it's really

1:04:51

like to be in there twenty three hours a day in

1:04:54

confinement and you do go, you do

1:04:56

lose your mind in there. It

1:04:59

makes sense. Wow. Do

1:05:01

you think that the victims of the families feel

1:05:04

like there was an injustice over the fact that he

1:05:06

was not executed immediately. I

1:05:09

haven't talked to the family members at all, with

1:05:12

the exception of one. Uh, the

1:05:14

young girl that was six years old in the documentary.

1:05:16

She was six years old at the time. She's

1:05:19

now about forty two. We've

1:05:21

become friends. Uh.

1:05:23

We don't talk about the case, and

1:05:26

I've never wanted to talk. I've never wanted to follow

1:05:28

up on any of the children that were kidnapped. I

1:05:31

never wanted to follow up because it breaks my

1:05:33

heart if they ended up psychologically

1:05:35

broken. So I never

1:05:37

wanted to follow up. And even

1:05:40

when they did the documentary, I told them,

1:05:42

I said, I'll give you everything I have,

1:05:45

or I'll talk you about anything. You want to, but don't

1:05:47

ask me to give you information on the

1:05:49

surviving victims. I would

1:05:51

never do it because I don't want to hear that there traumatized

1:05:55

still. Sachina

1:05:57

Aboa, one of the victims

1:06:00

was a CI Muslim. She was also a medical

1:06:02

doctor and her husband

1:06:04

was killed. She was sexually

1:06:06

assaulted, and

1:06:10

she was shocked because she went into uh

1:06:13

seclusion for forty days and forty nights, which

1:06:15

is part of her religion, and

1:06:19

she came out and she couldn't believe

1:06:21

that he was still alive because

1:06:23

back in her country, he'd have been dead already. Mm

1:06:26

hmm. Okay.

1:06:29

Also, I do have a fascination with

1:06:31

the Cecil hotel, and

1:06:35

they were rumors that he was living there

1:06:37

at some point. Are those rumors true?

1:06:40

He stood at the Cecil, he stood

1:06:42

at skin Road, dives and dumps all

1:06:44

around the area with her. What

1:06:47

is it about that hotel that

1:06:49

just I mean,

1:06:51

it just calls to murderers.

1:06:54

I don't know. They say the same thing about my house because

1:06:58

Alexandria to UH. That's

1:07:00

another one. But I think that you

1:07:03

know, when you when you cater to uh

1:07:06

maybe like transience and people

1:07:09

just going through town, that a

1:07:11

lot of times. You know, there's people that died in the rooms.

1:07:13

There's people that have murdered people

1:07:15

in there. And I think that energy that

1:07:17

stays in that in that in that

1:07:19

room. I mean when you when somebody is

1:07:22

taken before their time.

1:07:24

You know, we're big into into

1:07:27

hearing things and let and lower about you

1:07:29

know, uh, you know

1:07:31

images that we see. But I think that

1:07:33

that energy of those people stay in that hotel. And if you

1:07:35

look up to see so hotel and you look up,

1:07:38

like you know, images, you'll see people that

1:07:40

have been captured on the pictures just kind

1:07:42

of hanging out of a window and things like

1:07:44

that. And and it's all true. All that energy

1:07:47

is bad energy. And you

1:07:49

know that place uh just

1:07:52

catered to that. You know, um that

1:07:54

you can get a room there for nine dollars and nobody

1:07:56

really cared what you did in that room.

1:08:01

I'll do it.

1:08:06

The lab the girl that they found in the water tank and they can't

1:08:08

figure out how she would have gotten in the water tank and been able

1:08:10

to pull the cover down. I mean, that's that's

1:08:12

a big thing too. I Mean, you know that water

1:08:14

was bad and people were using the water. It's

1:08:16

just you know, kind of amazing that, you

1:08:19

know, hotel so bad that that water would

1:08:21

be putrid, and everybody's

1:08:23

like, you know, don't, don't take a shower. But

1:08:26

you know, she looked up online

1:08:29

where to stay cheap and the pictures of

1:08:31

it look like it's okay, I mean's grand, you

1:08:33

know, for for the hotel. But it

1:08:35

does. It does come, you know those

1:08:38

I wouldn't stay downtown. It does come with a

1:08:40

lot of that bad energy.

1:08:42

Yeah, the lobby is gorgeous. Yeah,

1:08:46

but you get a room for nine bucks, You're not gonna be like

1:08:48

complain about the water, Like this is what I get for nine

1:08:51

dollar room. It's a side water for

1:08:53

free down there. You

1:08:56

know that I believe a Lisa Lamb got taken

1:08:58

by the elevator game. But that's a story

1:09:01

for a different day that

1:09:03

I get. Really she

1:09:05

also still thinks Brian Laundry is alive and he

1:09:07

just left his teeth. The

1:09:10

new news about Brian Laundry really pushed over

1:09:13

the edge. Well, you know, I get

1:09:15

up at three three thirty sometimes in the morning to

1:09:18

maybe using benthroom, and I attempted

1:09:20

to do the Bloody Mary, the three Bloody Marys. I can

1:09:22

only get one out, like

1:09:26

should I do it? Letty

1:09:28

Mary? Oh? I bet her not. The

1:09:31

the other night, at three in the morning, I

1:09:34

was meditating, I don't know what's

1:09:36

wrong with me, and all

1:09:39

of a sudden, all of my lights are

1:09:41

out. I'm in bed, my

1:09:43

laptop in the other room.

1:09:45

Every single tab that was open on my computer

1:09:47

started playing at the same time, and

1:09:50

I was just like, here we go.

1:09:52

I guess at the beginning of you know, like this is it,

1:09:54

this is my last I was like, should I live tweet

1:09:56

my murder? Like I was honestly, I

1:09:59

was like, should I go live on Instagram? Just

1:10:01

let people, you know, say goodbye? I

1:10:03

don't know what's happening. And that's

1:10:07

astro projection. You

1:10:09

projected your energy into the

1:10:11

electronics of the computer, and

1:10:13

that was your energy doing that. WHOA

1:10:16

wait, So are you trying to say I'm like super powerful or

1:10:18

something. You're focusing

1:10:21

your energy somewhere and you're meditating or

1:10:23

whatever, and it would go to something with

1:10:25

power, you know, something with projection.

1:10:28

I can catch a serial killer, but astro

1:10:30

projection would take my ass out of the house.

1:10:38

OK. Just so we're clear, he says. Astro

1:10:40

projection is something that a lot of people can do. It's

1:10:42

this is not you. I don't want to hear bragging

1:10:45

rights next week on the pod about

1:10:47

your astro production. Well,

1:10:50

not to brag, but I did speak to a psychic

1:10:52

at eight am last Thursday, which is the earliest

1:10:54

I've ever been awake, So I recorded the whole session just

1:10:56

to make sure i'd remember it. And she

1:10:58

said that my grand father likes

1:11:01

to turn on lights and electricity

1:11:03

to let people know he's around. So I actually thought it was him,

1:11:05

but now that I know it's me, Um,

1:11:07

thank you, it could be a co h,

1:11:11

thank you. But okay, this is

1:11:13

also I guess I have a couple we have a final,

1:11:15

final couple of questions. But you know,

1:11:17

there are a lot of psychics who volunteered

1:11:20

to help find deceased

1:11:24

and anyone related to crimes. Do

1:11:26

you believe that these are real psychics?

1:11:28

Do you believe that they've this is all

1:11:31

I mean? Do you believe this is real? Let

1:11:34

George answer that, Um,

1:11:38

I believe that their psychics. I'm not sure if the ones helping

1:11:40

the police are the are the right ones. I think

1:11:42

maybe sometimes they're just almost

1:11:44

like people that say they've committed

1:11:46

the crime. You know, they want the attention of it. But um,

1:11:48

there are some some reputable psychics,

1:11:51

some very valuable psychics, uh,

1:11:53

and psychics, um, but

1:11:55

it depends you have to have a willing mind.

1:11:58

I do believe in all

1:12:00

of and all of that myself. And even in

1:12:02

this house, there's been things that have happened

1:12:04

in this house since I've moved in that

1:12:07

I have been very very unusual,

1:12:09

super natural in a sense. And

1:12:12

uh, I had somebody coming clean the

1:12:15

house, UH would take a lot of stuff up.

1:12:17

But this house is from the twenties, and you

1:12:19

know, apparently that some

1:12:22

kids lived here and they on the other side of the

1:12:24

house. Maybe we're punished by staying

1:12:26

up walking closet and

1:12:28

in the attic. That's what the woman said. But but

1:12:31

you know, I believe in that. I believe there's an energy

1:12:33

around us and people that have gone

1:12:35

but that still are guiding

1:12:37

people through life. And so George,

1:12:39

when are we moving in

1:12:44

about a year? Depending on this dog. This

1:12:49

dog? Okay, So

1:12:51

so we do have to wrap for today. Unfortunately, we

1:12:53

feel like we could ask you a million more questions, but

1:12:56

either of you have any final thoughts about life.

1:12:58

Comedy Prime The

1:13:01

Night Stalker left

1:13:04

world left with you crying, you look

1:13:06

like ship. I

1:13:09

think people talk themselves out of good things

1:13:11

and bad things in life. And you know, as time

1:13:13

goes by, you can only be in one place at

1:13:15

one time. Everything becomes a memory, with a

1:13:17

good memory of bad memory. But I think we've

1:13:20

all spent a lot of time either talking ourselves

1:13:22

out of doing things that uh

1:13:25

are not in our comfort zone. But in

1:13:28

the end, when you look back, you only get a

1:13:30

certain amount of time and you can't get any back. So to

1:13:33

live, to live more open and more.

1:13:35

I wouldn't say aggressive, but live outside

1:13:38

of your comfort zone more because in the end it's

1:13:40

the end. Much

1:13:44

according to the ghosts in George's house,

1:13:49

I just want to go see Chicago the band and I would listen

1:13:51

to them to Junior had they better around fifty five years

1:13:55

Yeah, so who's more haunted than that band? I

1:13:57

think I know? All right, Well,

1:14:00

George Gil thank you so much for coming

1:14:02

on the podcast today. We love

1:14:04

you guys. Oh my god, I thought that was a ghost

1:14:06

in the background, but it was just

1:14:08

another person. Oh my god,

1:14:10

And I

1:14:12

was like, George, he's behind you. Okay,

1:14:15

George, I gotta tell you real quick. We have a mutual

1:14:17

friend Dicky Egan. He said to say hello, and he

1:14:19

said, you're the only reason he's gonna listen to this my

1:14:21

podcast.

1:14:24

We met the Celtics and the Lakers and he lost

1:14:27

it. He had to go buy a a laking your hat, and the look

1:14:29

on his face, I've never seen it. You could cover him

1:14:31

in shit. He wouldn't have that same look at his face. You're

1:14:35

more or less to have to wear that hat. Oh

1:14:38

my gosh. All right, well, this has been another

1:14:40

episode of Real Time Crime. George

1:14:43

gil Where can we find you on the internet

1:14:45

or is there anything that you want to promote or let people

1:14:47

know about. I'm

1:14:50

just at real Gil careel not

1:14:55

mean, Oh

1:14:58

my god, high podcast. It's hilarious

1:15:01

and an informative genius. I

1:15:04

love you guys so much. This has been an amazing

1:15:06

episode. I've been Leo Lamar sometimes

1:15:09

Dmitri, who's more like often times

1:15:11

Dmitri these days, and of course we have melling

1:15:15

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