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Hello, everyone, Welcome back to another episode

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of Real Time Crime. I'm your host Leo Lamar, and I

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have with me oftentimes Dmitri Dmitri,

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Hello, Hi, how are you?

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You know? I'm wearing blue light glasses, which

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we've already decided are not for me,

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but it honestly does help my eyes

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not hurt. And I'm not sponsored

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by them, so I have no reason to promote them. I

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just wanted to let people know what was happening behind

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the scenes, which is that I was brutally awakened

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by a blaring alarm system for hours

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hours and it was also my

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birthday two days ago, and I feel

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fine. Uh,

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Okay, that that doesn't seem like a

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statement that we were led to believe.

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Was that was that convincing? Okay?

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Cool? Because it was my

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birthday two days ago and I'm fine. I

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mean maybe it's just may being a guy. When you say I'm

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fine, I automatically think she's not fine. Oh

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See, it's funny because if you're a guy

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and a woman says I'm fine, you should automatically

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think you did something wrong. Yeah,

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but I don't think I have anything to do with you turning

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a year older. Oh Wow,

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that's what it came off of. Right. The firing

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squad is here, thank you, Dmitri. Well,

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I I think we're all adult

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enough to know how birthdays work. Nobody turns a year

1:28

younger, nobody freezes. Oh my god,

1:30

no one turns a year younger. Let's innovate

1:33

the birthday. Let's

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start aging in reverse. How do we feel about

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that? I think it's a good business plan. Yeah, but you're

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no different than you were the day before, three

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days ago. So honestly, I'm not one of those

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people that thinks like birthdays and all of a sudden you think, oh

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my god, I'm older in my life. Just took this monster

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leap. It's not a big deal to me. Tri

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that's what you think. But I did find one

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gray hair and I had a

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funeral for it. Okay,

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you guys, today

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we've got out depressing

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episode. That's that's I'm

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just gonna start the podcast off with

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the honest truth. A

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depressing episode. These cases are

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not light. We have an NYPD cop

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fatally stabbed by an estranged husband,

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and the BRONX and X Amazon

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Mexico ceo who's wanted

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in a hundred ninety countries for hiring a hitman

2:23

to kill his wife. So everyone's

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wives are getting murdered on this episode, kind

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of by themselves. The husbands. A

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man who raps about robbing ATM machines arrested

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over a t M robbery,

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lap my fucking ass off. And then

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our main case of the day will be Leave

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No Trace. You

2:44

know it's streaming on Hulu today.

2:46

Actually it's a hidden history of the Boy Scouts,

2:49

and I don't want to

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touch that with a

2:53

ten ft marshmallow stick. But

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here we are very true. What

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I would like to say, I'd like to give it this claimer of okay, because

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we're not the news. Obviously you can read

3:03

this stuff, and in here in the news, we're not here to

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strictly just report it. We're gonna give opinions and

3:07

where we can as sensitively as

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we can, we try and have a little bit of fun because

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I think we both believe that when you

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can laugh somewhere in life, um,

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it's what helps you get through the difficult times. So

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if we do make any comments throughout

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these stories, we try. We're not mere mean

3:23

spirited people, but it's not our job to

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just read these stories like we're the news. So we will

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try and and have some last one we can, because

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we both believe that that's where you can,

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where you can heal and have some fun. So I'm

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just getting that disclaimer out now, Demitri, I

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appreciate that. I mean, the other thing is, if you've been

3:38

listening to the podcast for a while now, you already know this

3:40

is true crime with the twist right to

3:43

grind, with the twist of comedy to alleviate

3:46

the comfortable situations that

3:48

we're discussing. Obviously, murders

3:50

and funny. Obviously death isn't funny.

3:52

Obviously none of this is funny. But you

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know, uh, the job of a comedian is to

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make light of dark situations,

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and usually of our own dark situations.

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But then, you know, you've got comedians who

4:05

make nine eleven jokes, and you've got comedians to make

4:07

Holocaust jokes, and you've got comedians who make

4:09

all types of jokes, you know, dead baby

4:11

jokes, You've got Anthony Jeselnick. You got it.

4:14

Go. It spans the history of

4:16

time, is this is how people deal

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with trauma. Um. So

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you know, if you've made it this far, congratulations

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to you. All

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right, our first hot topic for today

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and New York NYPD

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cop was fatally stabbed by

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her estranged husband in the Bronx. She

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was an off duty cop and

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there was a trail of blood leading police

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to her body. She's thirty one years old.

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Ariana Reyes Gomez was allegedly

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stabbed multiple times by her former partner,

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and according to authorities, this was a domestic

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dispute turned deadly, so to

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me that triggers. There was arguing,

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people could hear it, etcetera. The

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officer phoned a female relative, who

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then dialed and sent police to location.

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When officers arrived around two fifty in the

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morning, they found blood in the hallway leading to the

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apartment, and after busting down the door,

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found her unresponsive. The couple has

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a child who is not at home at the time,

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thank god, and was out a state with relatives.

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Shortly after the incident, um

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her a strange

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husband turned himself in at a neighboring

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precinct and he was charged with murder, manslaughter,

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and criminal possession of a weapon. Okay,

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Dmitri, I'm

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trying to put myself in the shoes of this

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officer, and it's interesting

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to think that she called a relative instead

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of dialing. Why

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do you think someone would do that. I

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think that probably goes to U

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lends his hand to the character of this of

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this woman as a person and

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not as a police officer. And I'm not saying she's a bad police

5:56

officer. I think she knows the repercussions

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of making that call. And I think she was really

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trying to give the ben at the foot of the doubt to the

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father of her child, and this and that, and and

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sadly she she was she was wrong.

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Um. I think she tried hold on it. She knew if I make that call

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the nine one one, this is going to have repercussions with

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him in our relationship and whether he can see his kid

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or not. Uh. And I think she tried

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to go around it, and uh, you

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know, like I said, unfortunately that did not work. But

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that's where my head goes. I think she she knew what

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would happen. She's obviously she's an NYPD.

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She knows what goes on, she knows

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what you're supposed to do. She probably knew calling

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nine when one was the right move, and she would have probably

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told anyone else to call nine one

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one in that situation. But that's

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where you have that that difficulty of

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of your job and your personal life and

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you can't you know, you have a filter

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that you go through for your personal life. And I think that's probably

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what happened. It's interesting because

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my gut instinct was that she called

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this and and they wrote in the article was a female

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relative. I think that my

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gut instinct was that she called her because

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maybe she thought this was sort of

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going to happen, and maybe she wanted

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to make arrangements for her child,

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and it was like

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it didn't matter if she called nine one one then or

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if she called one two minutes

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later. I mean, I also wonder if she was

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calling a family member because

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because it is an interesting thing

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to call a family member before if

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you feel like you're in immediate danger, so

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part of me and and as

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a cop, you

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think that you

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know, I don't know. I mean, I wonder if she

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had a weapon on her. I I wonder if

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her calling the relative turned

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it violent. Um

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you know there, yeah, there's just so many

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possible ways it could have gone in town. But it's

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I mean, it's also interesting

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because you know, cops have training

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in self defense and defense

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and attack, right, so

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you know, this also leads me to other questions

8:05

where it's like, obviously, this

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feels like it possibly was

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not the first time there had been domestic violence

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and he was an estranged husband and

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the cops were saying it was a domestic dispute

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turned deadly, So possibly

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this has happened before. And

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I just wonder, you know, like what this

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must have been such a struggle, um,

8:33

and there must have been a lot of love

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for this person at

8:39

some point that you know she chose not to call

8:41

nine one one first. Yeah, yeah,

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sadly, Um, I don't know. I mean,

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I think you're right about that. I think, yeah,

8:48

maybe she called there because she was she

8:50

was making arrangements um or thinking

8:52

ahead. But I mean, I I like

8:55

to think, as a train in YPG, if

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she walked into a situation where there was a

8:59

this was happening and she was called to the scene,

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she knew exactly how to handle it. So you're right, she probably

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had a weapon. She probably she

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I'm sure has trained in self defense, but for some

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reason she either wasn't able to

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utilize that or she chose not to.

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And I think that's the question, Like you said in the setup,

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when you were reading the story, I wonder

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if other people heard things and what might

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unfold in this story. Yeah,

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I'm interested to no more details. I mean, I also

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wonder if there was a bit of fear behind

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calling nine one one, or if

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you know she had done anything wrong or

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you know, I wonder. I feel like there's

9:37

more to this story that

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we're and we're just hearing about the end instead

9:42

of the beginning in the middle. Yeah, that's

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true. There's definitely something. There's definitely

9:46

a big piece of this missing as to why she didn't

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call that one of them, and everything you brought up is

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is a legitimate case. Maybe there's something that

9:52

we don't know on her end, and I'm not disparaging

9:55

her um, but it's possible

9:57

or there's something in the relationship where there's so there's

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some reason why an NYPD

10:03

officer did not call nine one one when their

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life was in danger, and whatever that reason

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is, obviously

10:10

you think had she called, perhaps things could

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have been differently, But I don't know. My hope for this

10:14

case here is that it says that the

10:16

child was out of out

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of state with family members, and I

10:21

hope that that child is with family members.

10:23

I hope they were out doing something nice

10:25

because those family members take care of that

10:27

child and they were out enjoying a vacation

10:29

or something. And I hope that um, wherever

10:32

that child ends up now that they're in in

10:34

in a situation where they can have a loving home.

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M me too. And

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I wish this wasn't a back to back situation

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of kind of similar stories.

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But this ex Amazon Mexico's

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to e O who's wanted

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in a hundred and ninety countries

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for hiring a hitman to kill his

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wife. His name is Juan

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Carlos Garcia. He

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hired two hitmen to kill

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his estranged wife.

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The former couple had a history of domestic

11:19

violence and she filed

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a restraining order against him,

11:24

and he was hired as the CEO of Amazon

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Mexico and the company first opened in

11:30

at their office in Mexico, and they

11:32

were separated after

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his wife filed a lawsuit

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against him, and during a court hearing

11:39

in Mexico City, one of the hitmen that was hired

11:41

by him testified that he offered an additional if

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his estranged wife was killed before their

11:46

next court hearing. What

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a gem up. According

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to New York Post, Perez filed for

11:54

divorce in janu after she

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accused him of trying to kill her while beating

11:58

her with a baseball back before

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her death. She was in Mexico City for scheduled

12:02

court hearing when a motorcyclist opened

12:05

fire and fatally shot her while she was in a

12:07

car with her two children and attorney.

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The murder trial begins on Monday,

12:13

and Interpol

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has issued a warrant for his arrest in hundred ninety

12:17

countries after he went on the

12:19

lamb for after his

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estranged wife's death. He allegedly

12:24

escaped Mexico a few days after the murder and entered

12:27

a checkpoint near Tijuana. After entering

12:29

the United States, he reportedly sent a letter

12:31

to the mayor of Mexico City claiming he was innocent.

12:33

It's really interesting because, I

12:36

mean, first of all, from our last

12:38

episode, you know, with our Girls

12:40

Gone Wild, Guys like people usually go to Mexico

12:44

to avoid jail. Now he's escaping Mexico

12:46

to avoid jail. So I've got a lot of questions.

12:50

If you have to escape Mexico to avoid jail,

12:52

you did it. Yeah,

12:55

yeah, Mexico is not really that likely. Like

12:57

you said, that's where people go to avoids

13:00

avoid being held responsible. So if you're

13:02

running from there, then yeah, you're

13:04

right. He he did it, and I

13:07

mean ship like pretty

13:09

all around pretty bad. He hired he hired

13:11

hitman. I don't know what the ground rules were

13:13

with the with the hitman, but how about

13:15

don't shoot, well, don't do it at all, but obviously

13:17

that's what hit men do. Don't shoot when the kids are

13:20

in the car, And like, what what were the

13:22

did he have no rules for? This? Is he? That is

13:24

he that low of a person or these people go just

13:27

off on their own, but don't you know that that lets

13:30

us know that it was him because

13:32

he hired a skilled hitman to

13:34

just murder one person in a

13:36

vehicle with multiple other people and

13:40

it was a very specific person. And

13:42

the fact that he only offered dred

13:44

dollars more to kill

13:47

as a strange one. I'm like, bro, if

13:50

I'm a hit man, I'm gonna need way more

13:52

money than that because I

13:54

might go to jail for life. Like

13:57

that's rent for one month. What do you gonna

14:00

do with that? Or it's like how many people

14:02

are you killing on average? That

14:05

there's just like a drop in the bucket, right

14:08

and you know what, what can we presume,

14:10

Like I don't know. Obviously we don't

14:12

know this relationship, but I assume. My

14:15

My instinct was to say this was what they were separated,

14:17

they were strange, they were getting a divorce. This is

14:19

about he's an Amazon CEO, I

14:22

Amazon Mexico. It probably has

14:24

some money, and I'm assuming this has to do with him not wanting

14:26

to give up money. You know what, I

14:28

don't know why. I don't know why murdering a

14:31

spouse is always like the

14:33

the it seems to these people is the

14:35

easy go to to get out of having to pay money

14:37

or having to or so I can get married together, whatever

14:39

it is. I don't understand how this is always

14:42

such a such a top shelf option for

14:44

these guys. Do you think it was about alimony?

14:47

I don't know what. What was it about. It's like, it's

14:49

like, wouldn't you want to make

14:51

sure that your kids were having a good

14:54

life? Like I don't, especially

14:56

if you're a CEO of Amazon like

14:59

Jeff Asos is writing a spaceship and

15:01

you know, into two mars. I'm

15:04

pretty sure that the CEO of

15:06

Mexico for Amazon's got some enough

15:08

money to pay for whatever he needs to pay

15:10

for and his children's life

15:12

and education. Yeah,

15:15

well, I mean, what's so what's the other option? I

15:17

mean, unless you feared for his children's

15:19

safety from her, which clearly

15:21

doesn't make sense because he had someone shoot her while

15:23

she was in the car with them. So if

15:25

it was that, then just you know, finally

15:28

legal proceedings and get custody of the kids.

15:30

So I really doubt that that was the case.

15:33

I mean what else. Money is where my mind

15:35

goes to. Someone has a lot of money, someone's

15:37

getting divorced, and they don't want to give up their money. That's

15:39

what I see. Do you think he'll be found

15:41

in the US quickly? I

15:44

mean I think you know what's interesting. I did a quick Google search.

15:46

It's a hundred nine countries in the world,

15:48

and he's wanted in a hundred ninety. I'm curious

15:52

to those other five, like, why don't you why

15:54

why isn't he wanted in your country? Is it Antarctica?

15:56

And you're just like, no one really survives here.

16:00

Yeah, I mean, and if I'm him, then then you

16:02

got to one of those five countries. But do

16:04

I think I'll be found in the US? Uh? Yeah?

16:06

I mean, I think he's pretty He's got to be pretty, hope, high

16:09

profile, right, he's the CEO of

16:11

Amazon Mexico or was. Um,

16:15

you know, obviously you can really hide out anywhere in the

16:17

world. But I think if they're really looking for him, then

16:20

um, they'll find him. You know what. I'm

16:22

really looking for a statement from our guy,

16:24

Jeff Bezos. Mm

16:26

hmm, hey my former

16:28

higher Yeah, a

16:31

CEO like this is that's not a small

16:33

like I didn't have any interaction. They just you know, he was

16:35

in the mail room. No, that's a big

16:37

deal. That is close connections,

16:41

much like Elizabeth Holmes case, in the Glenn

16:43

Maxwell case. If this goes to trial, we'll never see

16:45

it, that's

16:48

true. No, but he listen

16:50

if it was Johnny deppan ever heard, we

16:52

couldn't get away from it. Apparently

16:54

there might be a third trial for that. Did you know? No,

16:57

I did not. Apparently he possibly

17:00

is able to sue her again because

17:03

she had an interview after it

17:05

was all over, and apparently

17:08

she said someone asked her,

17:10

so is it is it? Did he lie that

17:12

he hit you, that

17:15

he did not hit you? Did he lie that he did not hit

17:17

you? And she was like, yeah, he hit me, that

17:19

was a lie, and so Johnny Depp

17:21

technically has grounds to sue her again.

17:25

This is classic Hollywood if they're they're

17:27

potentially making another sequel for something I didn't

17:29

really care for the first one. I don't I

17:31

didn't care for the amount of coverage that this

17:33

got. And you know what, there

17:36

I think they both they both had problems. Uh,

17:38

I just I don't need to see any more of this. It

17:40

just feels like she keeps auditioning for the same

17:43

part over and over. I'm

17:45

like, you know, maybe maybe you

17:47

know, maybe Hollywood doesn't

17:49

white woman for this role. You know, I

17:51

think it's like it's time

17:54

to move on, time to move on. Um,

17:56

you know, I think the last thing that I would do

17:59

well if I don't

18:01

know, this is a tough spot. I

18:04

think everyone's so tired of the

18:06

Amber Turd story. But I

18:08

do think that if I was

18:10

innocent, I would probably still fight

18:12

for my innocence, but fear

18:15

another trial because I was already

18:18

brought down. But maybe if I truly

18:20

believed in my innocence, I would just

18:23

go for it no matter what. Then again,

18:26

if I wasn't what I doubled

18:28

down as hard. Yeah.

18:31

I don't see that that Johnny has anything to um

18:33

to gain from from going back to court

18:35

for this. I think um he got

18:38

basically the result he wanted right

18:40

from this. He went out and he bought six worth

18:43

of Indian food and he started partying. And

18:45

that's it. Like, I don't think he needs to go back

18:47

because she said they've already proven that

18:49

she's lied about stuff. I don't think he needs to go back

18:51

and be like, she lied about something else and I want to see

18:53

her again. He's not gonna

18:56

She doesn't have the money to pay you more,

18:59

so just take what you can get

19:01

right now. Oh

19:04

yeah, yeah, moving on to talking

19:06

about not having any

19:08

money. A man who raps about robbing

19:11

a t M machines arrested

19:13

over Dana and

19:16

a t M robbery for people

19:18

that wrote how to kill your husband

19:21

and then when and killed her husband. Yeah, it's pretty

19:23

great. Actually, Four people, including a Houston

19:26

music artist who rapped about committing crimes,

19:28

have been arrested for allegedly robbing an a t

19:30

M technician in Tennessee. According

19:33

to the Metropolitan Nashville

19:35

Police Department, four people were taken into custody

19:37

after an alleged robbery if a man servicing

19:39

a Bank of America a TM. It's

19:42

alleged that two of the defendants approached

19:44

the victim from behind and told him not to do anything

19:46

stupid and hand over the money. One

19:48

of the alleged robbers is Lattison

19:51

Riley, who also goes by the rap name

19:53

wait for It to one three jug

19:56

God. He

19:58

recently released the song on YouTube and title make

20:00

It Home. In this song, Riley alluded

20:02

to him and other individuals committing crimes.

20:05

The lyrics described robbing a t M s out

20:07

of state, having thousands of dollars in their vehicle,

20:10

praying to a boy, being caught up in a car chase,

20:12

and making it home. The four are being charged

20:14

federally and the FBI is investigating whether they're

20:17

they committed similar robberies elsewhere.

20:20

And the other lyrics to their songs were I'm

20:23

going to jail. Oh no, I'm

20:25

in jail. And it's weird because now they're

20:27

going to jail and they're in jail. Oh yeah,

20:30

I mean listen, we and here we thought we weren't gonna laugh

20:32

today. This is this guy is a moron.

20:35

Okay. He wrote a rap

20:37

song okay, well, I don't know where you want to start. He

20:39

wrote a rap song about Robin a t m

20:41

S. And then he went and robbed at m S. His

20:44

name is two one three jug God. Name

20:47

sucks, dude, And then

20:49

he also tried to rob by saying don't do anything stupid,

20:52

hand over the money, like classic

20:55

old school rob He's such a

20:57

cliche, don't do anything stupid.

20:59

It's like, and n even have a gun. He probably just had a highlighter

21:01

that he pressed itself back. You know, I mean this

21:04

is and and also like two one three jug

21:06

God. I mean, my guy, no

21:09

better indication to me that you were never going to

21:11

make it as a rapper, so you

21:14

know, going rapping to robbery,

21:16

and they sent us his song. Sadly,

21:18

I watched the video and listened to it. Song sucks,

21:21

name sucks, and the only thing worse than

21:23

those are your ability to to rob someone

21:26

like this guy is shooting zeros across

21:28

the board. I hope that

21:30

when he is with women he also shoots blanks,

21:32

because this guy should not approcreate. I

21:34

think I can't believe he's not. Everything

21:37

he does sucks, So yeah,

21:39

I bet he's another song that's like I got

21:41

eighteen baby mamas and no money for

21:43

the alimony. So that's why I'm robbing this bag.

21:49

So here's a question. Do you think would

21:52

they could they use the rap song as

21:54

in court? It seems like a

21:56

confession to me. It looks

21:58

like it's premeditated, is it not. Yeah,

22:01

whether it's a confession or not, it's definitely something

22:03

that was on his mind. Right, And you

22:05

know what they say about music, right, They

22:07

say, if you feel

22:10

so strongly about something that there are

22:12

no words left and there's so much

22:14

emotion behind it, that you must

22:16

sing it. That

22:19

is how you know when it is

22:21

real. That's that's what the US teaches in musical

22:23

theater. When you went from speaking

22:25

to singing, it's like there's just no words

22:28

left to describe it, so

22:30

you have to sing because you're so emotional.

22:33

I've never heard that before, but that might make me appreciate

22:35

musicals a little bit more. Oh, how dare

22:38

you? I'm going to New York next week and I'm

22:40

going to cry myself a river and

22:42

every Broadway show listen I love?

22:44

I do, actually do. I love Broadway. I love certain

22:47

musicals, but it's always interesting when they just burst

22:49

into song, but that that I had never heard that

22:51

before. What I can tell you what I know about

22:53

music is that just because you rhyme doesn't

22:56

make you a rapper. This guy will.

23:00

I think the only thing that made it better was that he actually

23:02

followed through on it. I will tell you this

23:04

though, If you do the rhyme,

23:07

you committed the crime. Little

23:11

Johnny you Oh

23:15

my god, speaking of Johnny conkering. Uh,

23:17

I just want to go back to Johnny Depp for a second. It's

23:20

so weird because right after he

23:22

won, you know, you heard about him that spending six

23:24

d can Indian food and then you know, celebrating,

23:28

he released a song about my cousin.

23:32

About your cousin, Hetty Lamar is

23:37

your cousin. Yeah, we

23:40

never talked about this. She's

23:42

like a distant cousin. But

23:45

um, it was just

23:47

so odd. I was like, why why

23:50

do I now feel connected to Johnny Depp? Well,

23:53

I mean it's not bad,

23:56

no, no, but you know he's

23:58

doing the rhyme, so he commit at the crime. I

24:01

guess. But what you

24:03

said before, and I put this on social media at one point,

24:05

so he went out and bought six K where the Indian

24:07

food it's now I understand

24:09

why she was shipping in the bed like it's

24:12

kind of like, that's kind of outrageous.

24:15

Yeah, I hope they had more than one bathroom in that home, or

24:18

you know, maybe they didn't. He was in the bathroom and

24:20

she just couldn't wait, or she just didn't care

24:22

to use it. Look. Oh wait, no, it was

24:24

the dog. It was the dog. It was It was one

24:26

of the multiple tiny dogs that could never have pooped

24:29

that size. Maybe they

24:31

ate so much Indian food, the dogs they shipped so

24:34

much that it was the size of their own bodies. You

24:37

know, that's happened to me. No, no, no, we're good.

24:39

We're good. Were good. That's one time

24:41

when I was in Peru. No, no, we're good,

24:45

and everyone had to be already Okay,

24:49

there are not enough bathrooms when multiple

24:52

people have I will just tell you, what

24:54

what do you do? So you just met, you just

24:56

met this, you have, as people know by now,

24:58

you have a new boyfriend. What do you do? What would happened

25:00

when you went there and you stayed with him and you had to go to the bathroom.

25:02

I'll use the listen, let's just be honest

25:04

with each other. This is what's happening or are you like, Oh, I

25:07

have to go down to the lobby to get something from the store.

25:10

I'm about to pull

25:12

up something that will explain

25:15

basically our entire relationship in

25:17

in one fell swoop. So

25:20

he sent me an e card on my birthday

25:22

and uh, this is what it says. Remember

25:25

when you used to hold your farts in dot dot dot.

25:27

I missed that. So it's

25:29

only been a month and a half and I'm pretty sure we're married

25:32

at this point. Um. But

25:35

basically the last time we were together, we

25:37

were in London and I was in the bathroom

25:40

and you know, we're two Jews and in

25:42

eating lots of bad food. So we were like

25:45

like passing the Tom's bottle back and forth,

25:47

and we were bringing the pepto with us every I was like, if

25:50

Pepto Bismol doesn't sponsor me, I'll

25:52

be shocked, shocked. They're

25:54

in every post everything sponsor we get

25:56

now. Yeah, And then so I sent him a text message

25:59

from the bathroom. That's it. I need you to leave

26:01

the bedroom and go into the other room

26:03

right now. And uh,

26:06

right as I sent it it, just like an explosive

26:08

fart came out and I hear him like laughing outside

26:11

the door, and I was like, Na, why

26:15

does this make me so uncomfortable? It doesn't even follow

26:17

me, you know. It was like before

26:20

music on and turn the water on. That's what

26:22

girls do. If you're in the

26:25

bed with a guy that you just started dating and you

26:27

have to make an emergency fart or a poop, you

26:29

go into the bathroom, You light a candle,

26:31

you blast the music, you put the water

26:34

on. Everyone knows what's happening, but

26:36

it just makes us feel better for some reason.

26:38

Oh you you can't because if you're going number one

26:41

because the music on, No, But

26:43

you'd rather hear the music and the and the

26:45

sound the water and know what's happening,

26:47

then actually hear what's happening, right,

26:49

Because if you knew what was actually happening, which

26:52

is I'm casting a spell for

26:54

you to love me forever instead of farting,

26:56

I don't think. I think I think you missed

26:58

up your spells. Um, listen,

27:01

everybody does it. There's nothing wrong with it. But I think the

27:03

the actually hearing it as opposed to

27:05

knowing that it happens are two different things. Um,

27:09

I'm glad so did you before we went in there. Did you say,

27:11

hold on, I'm slipping into something more uncomfortable.

27:14

Uh no. But when I came out, I said, do not go

27:16

in there, perfect and

27:19

he said, he said, I

27:21

have to shower. Um,

27:27

I think he loves me. Wait,

27:29

well, there are you guys still talking? You

27:31

Dmitri? No, I'm just if if you're then yes,

27:34

he does love you. At nine am on

27:36

my birthday, he had

27:38

a gluten free cake sent to my door. That's

27:41

really sweet. I mean, I

27:44

love that he's trying to give you food that won't

27:46

upset your stomach. But

27:48

then the other thing, apparently he emailed this cake

27:50

shop at midnight Los Angeles time. He's in

27:52

London, so you know he forgot the time difference, and

27:55

they send him an email back that said, if

27:57

you want to order a cake from us, please order

27:59

it at a more so couple hour. That's

28:04

how insane l A is is

28:06

that they're like, I'm sorry, you didn't do something

28:08

the way I wanted you to do it, so I don't even want your money.

28:12

Then it's not like he called them and woke them up

28:14

at at home and it was in the

28:16

email. Just respond when you wake up. Yeah,

28:19

and it's I'm ordering something. You have a

28:21

business. I'm ordering something and saying can you

28:23

send it during your hours of operation? He

28:25

wasn't like, Yo, get out of bed, it's my

28:28

girlfriend's birthday and make a cake. No, it's

28:30

so it's out of it because

28:32

we already have won bad experience. It's

28:34

so insane because it's like, uh,

28:37

no one wants to work in l a that they

28:40

would literally rather reject incoming

28:42

business. Yeah, it's like it's

28:45

wild you own a bakery. If you don't want to

28:47

work, you can start a podcast. Hilarious

28:51

and thank you so much too. On three jug

28:53

God, I

28:56

can't. I wish you could write a song about I

28:58

also just want to let you know that

29:01

when we were talking about these two

29:03

stories the last two um

29:07

and hearing someone kind of get

29:11

approached from behind, this

29:13

happened to me in London. I'm not comfortable with this

29:15

segment, but go ahead. We

29:18

went boyfriends and then go ahead, okay.

29:21

Um. I hadn't posted on my Instagram story like twenty

29:24

four hours and they

29:28

my ex pulled

29:30

me from behind and tackled me to the ground

29:34

and said I found you, bitch, um

29:38

in a playful manner. I

29:40

mean, as playful

29:42

as that can be. The thing that's so upsetting

29:45

is that I didn't even scream. I just

29:47

knew intuitively it was him,

29:50

and I I just said, okay,

29:53

now, okay, I guess we're gonna

29:55

need some details on this. How did we leave off in

29:57

this relationship? And was this like I've been

29:59

looking for you when I found you, bitch? Or oh

30:01

my gosh, look at us. We're both in London. How crazy

30:04

is this? I mean he was also in London

30:06

for work apparently, Um

30:08

was that work to find you? And a

30:12

real job? You know?

30:14

It's a pretty crazy His friend

30:16

filmed it and they sent it to me so I can commemorate

30:19

that moment forever. Oh wonderful. So

30:21

what happened then? So obviously you didn't hurt yourself. It

30:24

was a playful takedown. It was as

30:26

playful as a takedown tackle to the street

30:28

as you can get. Were you by

30:31

yourself? And

30:33

then I just continued on my marriedway to lunch after

30:35

being accosted in a foreign country.

30:37

But um, yeah, it's funny

30:40

how people don't think things through and it's like, Okay,

30:43

here's a woman by herself in a foreign country.

30:45

I'm gonna go and like, I'm

30:48

just gonna go up and surprise her and grab her from behind,

30:50

like some people don't really think that. I

30:52

was in a farmer's market one time with my kids and my

30:54

son was small, and one of my buddies

30:57

saw me, but I didn't see him, and so he happened to

30:59

walk up and as you know, as

31:01

a hello, and like a surprise, he picked up

31:03

my son. And I

31:06

mean, it's luckily I turned

31:08

quick and I saw who it was. It was fun, but my instinct

31:10

was to just haul off on this guy, so that

31:13

very well could have ended in me just punching him

31:15

in the face, because

31:17

when you're out in public and someone picks up your son, you freak

31:19

out. Yep, yep.

31:21

I think it says a lot more about me than it says about him.

31:27

That I was just like, well, here we go. I've

31:29

got a true grime podcast. I've

31:31

been waiting for it. Yeah, I was like, I

31:34

honestly like, I think

31:36

it was almost disheartening to him that I didn't scream,

31:38

because I was like, man, it's almost

31:41

like a not again. All

31:43

right, how many times do I

31:46

need to get tackled by next today? You

31:48

know? Um?

31:50

Yeah, it was odd. He also told me that he'd been

31:52

they've been following me for a couple of blocks. Okay,

31:54

great, So anyway, why

31:56

is this guy your EXE? So

31:58

anyway, I go to WIT A protection program, and

32:00

it has been so nice having a podcast with you.

32:03

I will now be um Henrietta

32:06

Maguilla Cutty, and I'll probably living in Nebraska,

32:08

so you can't share that info. That's the whole

32:10

point. Oh shoot, okay, so I'm

32:12

going back into the Witness Protection oram

32:16

um. Sorry, c I A. If you could just give me another so

32:18

scary number and identity and New States Live and

32:20

thank you so much, that would

32:22

be great. Sorry if you just decided to like change

32:25

your name and all that kind of stuff. But you just went about

32:27

doing everything you're doing. So you performed as Henrietta,

32:29

but it was you, and we're like, hey, welcome back to real

32:31

time crime. This is Henrietta,

32:34

and and where I am in the world is none of your seeing

32:36

business. I

32:39

just have the same backdrop. No one really knows if I've

32:41

actually left my apartment in l A or just brought

32:43

it with me somewhere. Anyway,

32:46

you guys, it's time to go to a quick little

32:48

break and as

32:50

I always say, don't touch that dial, and

32:53

you always say, don't commit any crimes in the

32:55

next thirty seconds. Yeah, but if you have to,

32:58

I get it. Just don't make them like in Hence

33:00

once. If it's a petty crime, like you

33:02

still post it. You know, sometimes you

33:04

got to write a memo down. Yeah, but don't write

33:06

a rap song about it. Oh no,

33:09

it's two and three. Drug out already took that,

33:11

so be original. Think of something else to

33:13

do. I'm going to spend the next the break

33:15

think about how stupid a song and name that

33:17

is. Okay, all

33:20

right, we'll be right back you guys. Sorry

33:22

about Dmitrie

33:37

and we're back. Hello everyone, Welcome

33:39

to your favorite true crime podcast,

33:42

your True Crime with a Twist Podcast. Because

33:44

I didn't really know any other podcast that are

33:48

making jokes about people's misfortunes,

33:51

we should just rebrand this to shot him Freud

33:53

the podcast. Yeah, I mean,

33:55

listen, it's all about the segue. Somehow we went from multiple

33:57

murders to a shitty rap song

34:00

to you going

34:02

in the bathroom next year, boyfriend, and

34:05

and then getting tackled by my acts. Don't forget that really

34:07

important part. It seems like you already

34:09

chose to like that's this

34:12

was me on the street. The only difference this

34:14

is not dead. I

34:16

just pointing to a chalk outline, yes, talk

34:18

outline of a person on the floor. Boy

34:21

boy, is my life interesting? Okay?

34:24

So you guys our

34:27

story for the main case for today?

34:29

What's um? Have you ever noticed

34:31

that sometimes there are things wrong with me and sometimes

34:33

I'm fine? When would I have noticed

34:36

that this

34:41

podcast is now being called Leah

34:44

is building one brick to the path to hell every

34:46

episode. All

34:50

right, So I'm

34:52

sure this is no mystery

34:54

to anyone. We all know the Boy Scouts of America.

34:56

I have had some trouble for many years now. So

35:00

there is a

35:02

a new dock out called Leave No Trace, Hidden

35:04

History of the Boy Scouts. Oh

35:07

boy, um,

35:09

So the Boy Scouts America had a stunning

35:12

fall as they are now set

35:14

to make tons of payouts to one of the largest sexual

35:16

abuse settlements in US history.

35:18

The doc is exploring allegations made

35:20

by thousands of former Boy Scouts,

35:23

like John Humphrey, who joined his trip in nineteen

35:25

or twelve years old. He said he suffered abuse at

35:27

the hands of his Scout master for three years.

35:31

He buried the trauma for decades and did not

35:33

break the silence until he was fifty five.

35:36

I also just want to say before I go more into

35:38

this, like abuse survivors

35:40

is a sort of common, right, Like what

35:43

happened with the Michael Jackson documentary. It's

35:45

sometimes they just buried the trauma and you're

35:47

too young to really process it. And and

35:49

if you don't get help, or you don't know to ask for help,

35:52

or you don't even really understand what's going on. This

35:55

is just this is

35:57

not unusual. It's not unusual,

35:59

and it's often these times, are

36:01

you know? These programs are set up to like

36:03

help kids, right, And it's not like these people

36:06

just that's why they say things about grooming

36:08

and stuff like that. It's not like these people just go in and abuse

36:10

somebody. They groom them, They tell them,

36:12

hey, don't do this, or you don't want to tell anybody

36:15

this, or or you know, and they set up

36:17

these things that make the kids scared

36:19

to tell anybody. So of course they then suppress

36:21

it and they carry it with them for their entire lives.

36:24

Same thing that happened with the church. Yeah,

36:28

it's it's almost Yeah, it's any abuse

36:30

allegations like we we had that case just a

36:32

couple of weeks ago where the woman

36:35

came forward much later and that you know, it's like this

36:37

just happens, okay, since it's not unusual,

36:40

and it looks like the journey of the hundred and fifteen year

36:42

old organization and their financial history, their financial

36:45

future and the litigation that they're still in the middle

36:47

of right now, will be investigating

36:49

this documentary. The hulu A doc

36:51

reveals how the Ones Revered Organization

36:55

obviously had a major fault

36:57

from Grace, so

37:00

apparently the organization has

37:02

been maintaining files on ineligible

37:04

volunteers since the nineteen twenties.

37:07

The Red List, as it was called, was

37:09

mistaken as an effort to root out communists

37:12

rather than child molesters.

37:15

Dude, I would rather have a communist

37:19

hang out with my kids in the woods and be

37:21

like everyone gets one marshmallow

37:25

just because you're richer, Timmy doesn't mean you get

37:28

to and Johnny gets one. You

37:30

know, I would rather it was like a communism

37:32

for dummies. You really broke that down by the thank you. I

37:35

would rather my child hanging out with

37:37

a communist than child

37:40

molester. Okay,

37:43

sorry, continuing on, Um, they've

37:45

dealt with abusers internally through probation program

37:47

and it afforded them second chances,

37:50

So why don't we why don't we say that again? Okay,

37:53

they dealt with the abusers internally.

37:55

Never works because that's just

37:57

covering it up. You're covering it up. Don't

38:00

give him a second chance in an in an organization

38:02

that deals with children. Yeah,

38:05

no, that's it. It's common sense that

38:08

that's it. Like when it comes

38:10

to especially children

38:13

especially, you get one chance, like

38:16

there's no second chance. Mm

38:18

hmm. I

38:21

speak as someone who is not yet a parent and

38:24

cannot keep a plant alive, and

38:26

um, this is still the

38:28

most obvious thing in the entire world to me. Yeah,

38:31

no, it's it's it's insane. And obviously

38:34

I am a parent, and it's like this type of ship like

38:36

organizations that were set up to quote

38:39

unquote help children and then

38:41

or to help the parents. You know, maybe a lot

38:43

of these people, they could be single moms or single

38:45

dads trying to find something for their kid and help,

38:48

you know, they say it takes a village. I want someone to help,

38:50

you know, with my son, and

38:52

and it's like, and this is what's going on, Like that's

38:54

fucking insane. And

38:57

so apparently the film shows how some

38:59

of the big non are still dealing with trauma

39:01

of their abuse. I'm sure

39:04

right. And as

39:06

an organization, with the

39:08

help of donations and tax

39:10

breaks, they grew bigger and richer

39:13

and acquired vast tracts of land,

39:16

and that attracted more

39:18

sexual predators. And it's

39:20

interesting because their values we're

39:23

on patriotism, courage, self reliance,

39:26

and kindred virtues. Sorry,

39:29

but I guess I don't know what a virtue is. Then

39:31

if this is what these people are doing, Okay,

39:34

So what's happening is in the

39:36

Boy Scouts America filed for bankruptcy

39:39

with more than eighty two thousand

39:41

former members filing abuse

39:43

claims.

39:46

Two thousand thousands young boys

39:49

are filing claims. That's

39:51

not that's not a leak in your

39:54

in your pipeline, disaster

39:56

of a program. There's there's

39:58

the size of a city. The

40:01

national organization is preparing to pay more than two

40:03

point seven billion to victims.

40:06

It would be the largest ex abuse to pay out in American

40:08

history. And

40:11

they're saying we're heartbroken and outraged and

40:13

sincerely apologize to anyone who was harmed during

40:15

their time and scouting. That's what they post online.

40:17

It's like, yeah, were you, because then why were you giving

40:20

these people second chances? Sounds very well written,

40:22

um, but you know, are we hearing

40:24

from the people that gave these people second chances?

40:26

Now that that's not where that statement is coming from. That

40:28

maybe that statements coming from someone in the organization

40:31

that didn't know, or someone that came on later,

40:33

or or someone that's just writing

40:35

it. I mean, it's obviously huge organization, but

40:37

I don't know, like eight two thousand

40:39

and I don't know how many people have gone

40:41

through the Boy Scouts of America. I'd be curious

40:44

to see the numbers of how many members they've ever

40:46

had. Doesn't make it right, not

40:48

justifying any of this, but that's

40:50

either a well crafted and

40:53

I'm using air quotes on this for a well crafted

40:55

um PR line. But it's like, no, once

40:58

you give someone a set can chance, and

41:00

once you the first time you heard

41:03

something happened right, that person doesn't

41:05

get a second chance. And then you now have

41:08

other stipulations

41:10

in other ways that you have to put people

41:12

screenings things to get these the people that

41:14

are in charge of these things. You have to

41:16

change everything right away on that first thing.

41:21

Now, let me turn the butter a little more.

41:24

I don't know why I said that,

41:27

let me let me turn the page

41:33

because wait till you hear this

41:35

next thing. That will make

41:37

you realize that we don't

41:39

really have empathy for the air quotes of

41:42

their quote unquote heartbroken and outraged

41:44

nous. Okay, because by

41:47

the time the rolled around,

41:49

the boy Scouts were being sued regularly

41:52

over the unwanted sexual attentions

41:54

visited on scouts by scout masters

41:57

ago. So I don't know how

42:00

forty years later they're like, oh no, we're

42:02

so heartbroken and outraged. You should have

42:04

been heartbroken and outraged over forty

42:07

years ago. And also, you

42:09

know, it was like two point seven billion. Wow,

42:11

that's huge. Like but this guy, he

42:14

didn't say anything until he was fifty five. His

42:16

entire life was ruined by that. So yeah,

42:19

you know what, you do need to suffer, and you do need to

42:21

make payouts, but the payoffs doesn't change

42:24

the fact that these people's, these these

42:26

guys lives were ruined, ruined,

42:29

absolutely ruined. I mean so,

42:32

by the way, if you're interested

42:34

in watching this. It's called

42:36

Leave No Trace. It's gonna be streaming on Hulu, and it's

42:38

in theaters in New York in l A now

42:41

today. But I

42:44

mean, okay, So I was

42:46

in Girl Scouts, and

42:49

I will say we had a very questionable

42:53

Scout leader. I even

42:56

as a kid remember thinking something's

43:00

not right here. But nothing

43:02

bad happened to me. Um.

43:04

I don't know if anything bad happened to anyone else, but

43:07

I do remember it being odd.

43:10

And the Scout leader was someone who didn't

43:13

have children of her own. And

43:16

I remember why I found

43:18

that out or how I found that out. I just remember being

43:20

something that I was told as a

43:22

child. Um. I think I went

43:25

on like one retreat in the woods

43:27

and never went again. Yeah, it's

43:29

funny. I was. I went to

43:31

one boy Scout meeting. One I

43:33

actually got kicked in the nuts and

43:35

I decided I wasn't going back, but you know what, thank

43:38

God, but just by another kid. Um.

43:40

But I also, oddly enough, I

43:43

was the youngest of five kids, and um,

43:45

I once went to a Brownies. You meant Brownies

43:47

is like the younger girl Scouts, Is that right? I

43:50

think I once my sister once had to take me to a

43:52

Brownies because she was babysitting. Made so

43:54

I went to equal on a Brownies as I did

43:56

Boy Scouts, and neither really worked out for me. But

44:00

um, this

44:02

is this is the thing. These are the programs

44:04

that are supposed to I want to thank my sister for taking

44:06

good care of me. Um, these are

44:08

the programs that are supposed to help, Like I said, maybe

44:10

single parents, maybe not, maybe just you know,

44:13

parents that want something better for their

44:15

kids and they don't even realize what was happening.

44:17

And the you

44:20

know what, a lot more has to come down

44:22

on these things. You can't for forty years forty

44:24

years plus and and financial

44:26

payouts whatever you know, you know, and and maybe

44:28

the Boy Scouts shuts

44:30

down probably should because

44:33

it certainly wasn't handled right, or it's got to be completely

44:36

revamped into something else. But I

44:38

don't know, it's you know, I don't know if I want to watch

44:40

this, but I have this thing where I want to know

44:42

stuff because it makes me more aware of stuff

44:44

that goes on. So I do watch these things, and I do listen

44:47

to these things, and I do read these stories, but

44:49

it's heartbreaking to to also see them

44:52

see that's what you think. But then

44:57

how many murder docs have I watched? And yet

45:00

when I was tackled to the ground, had no reaction.

45:04

The other thing is like I didn't need to know. How is

45:06

this going to affect me getting Girl Scout cookies?

45:09

I think you're fine. I think girls

45:11

got cookies are fine. We're in the clear.

45:14

Yeah, all right, never

45:16

mind, anyway back to our regular scheduled

45:19

program. No, are you still gonna get your snacks?

45:21

My thin mins? Thank god? Um okay,

45:24

But I

45:26

think the idea of boy Scouts is great. You

45:28

know, they're teaching kids survival skills.

45:30

They're teaching kids supposedly you

45:33

know, about honor and and leadership

45:35

and brotherhood and these are all important

45:38

qualities as childs. And you're actually

45:40

doing that, yes, and not reminding your lesson and

45:42

an outdoor you know, wilderness

45:45

skills and these are also things. I

45:47

think it's ways for young men to connect

45:50

to the earth and um

45:53

understand, just

45:55

just to be in nature, right especially I

45:58

mean, like I said, I don't have kids, I know you, but

46:00

to disconnect from cell

46:03

phones and tablets and

46:06

iPads and all this sort of gaming,

46:08

all this technology that they have and just be

46:10

in nature and kind of appreciate life for what

46:12

it is. I think it's really important, but

46:15

I'll just take my kids camping. You know,

46:17

I'm good. Thank you. In

46:19

theory, it's it's a it's a real it's

46:22

it's a great idea for a program.

46:24

But nothing is good

46:26

if you don't run it right. And if you don't you

46:28

know, all this stuff makes

46:31

me like sometimes people like, oh, I can take

46:33

your kid if you want if you can't drive most

46:35

most of the time, and it's no offense to the people that offer

46:37

that are good people. Most of the time, it's no And

46:40

I have to constantly have conversations with my kids.

46:42

That's like if anybody ever says, don't

46:44

tell your mom or don't tell your dad, or let's

46:46

just keep this between us, the what's the first thing that

46:49

you do, and they'll like tell you, I'm like right,

46:51

because that's how this ship goes. And

46:53

it's disgusting and it's sad

46:55

that that that people don't know better.

46:57

It's like they're teaching what you say, they're

46:59

teaching how to be independent

47:02

and how to survive, and you know what

47:05

someone needed to teach them how to fend off a fucking

47:07

perfect. Yeah,

47:10

it's interesting because this

47:13

went on for so long before they were taken

47:15

down, And you know, I

47:18

think this goes to show the like, if you've

47:21

got money, throw money at the problem,

47:23

make it go away until it camp

47:26

go away anymore, you know. And we see this time

47:28

and time again. Same thing with Joe from Girls

47:30

Gone Wild, same thing with um

47:33

Epstein and Epstein Island. Right,

47:35

Like, this was going on for a long time and

47:38

just kinda n d a's payouts,

47:41

all this sort of stuff until all of a sudden

47:44

it boils to ahead many many many years later,

47:46

and then it's, oh my gosh, is a statement like oh,

47:48

we're horrified by what was going No,

47:50

you're not, because you're not cover ups.

47:52

Listen, cover ups only make things worse. The

47:55

Church, the Voice, Scouts, whatever it may be. I

47:59

mean, look, a two thousand people,

48:01

that's not eight people. And

48:03

even if it was a people, that's too many. But

48:05

eat people in an entire organization

48:08

that's nationwide. I could be like, Okay,

48:10

maybe this organization can continue

48:13

on eight two people.

48:17

No, they don't have a chance,

48:19

Like this is third chance, poor chance Christians.

48:22

This is an organization that doesn't have

48:24

any system in place to make

48:26

sure that sexual predators, pedophiles,

48:30

members of man blah aren't involved

48:32

in their organization. And they

48:35

don't care. That's that's what it says to me, is

48:37

they don't care about

48:40

And it's like what are they doing with the money? Like who's who's

48:42

who are these people at the top? Who are does Like muahaha,

48:45

I'm sitting on my pile of boy scout

48:48

riches. Let's give this guy a

48:50

probation. Listen, sexual

48:52

offenses and especially towards children,

48:54

are not an in house thing to deal with.

48:57

You don't deal with them in house. You don't do probation,

48:59

You don't give some in a second chance. What it is

49:01

is, hey, when you get out of you

49:03

know, the court ordered jail time

49:05

that you're going to serve, find a new career

49:08

that has nothing to do with children. You

49:10

Know. It's interesting because building

49:13

a financial empire off of

49:16

and like a wilderness campus actually

49:18

kind of genius, right, because

49:22

you don't have to pay for hotels, you don't have to pay

49:24

for like the amount of money that it's almost

49:26

like it's a stand up right, Like when

49:28

you hire a band to play or you

49:30

go to a musical, it's like there's so many people

49:33

involved, they're so um, they're

49:35

sets, their scenery, there's you know this

49:37

like big sound check. They mean lots of equipment

49:39

and prep time. When it's a stand up comedian's

49:42

just a microphone, a chair and you

49:44

know, a stool, and and so for

49:47

venues, it's they of course they want

49:49

to host comedians because it costs them so much less

49:51

money and there's less overhead. And

49:54

so now I see why it was so easy for them to build

49:56

such a financial empire because

49:58

they had such a small

50:00

overhead compared to lots of other programs

50:03

like sleepwag camps and all this

50:05

other stuff. Right, it's like, oh, what

50:07

you're paying for marshmallows in a tent? Right?

50:11

And it's so crazy to see that the greediness

50:14

of these people was taken

50:16

so far that they just denied

50:19

and paid out victims

50:22

of sexual abuse by the leaders

50:24

of their organization. Anyway, I'm disgusted

50:26

with them and think that they should be shut down. Yeah,

50:32

I don't know if we have more to talk about with this. It's

50:34

just like it's it feels like such an open and shut

50:37

case in my opinion, Yeah, it is.

50:39

It's an open and shut case. And like I said before, there's

50:42

no there's no second chances in that kind

50:44

of behavior. And you know what, and unfortunately

50:47

you wish oh I don't know, I was

50:49

gonna say, unfortunately wish people would speak

50:51

up more. That's a very difficult thing to do and a very

50:54

difficult thing to say. I give

50:57

extreme um

51:00

props to the people that have the courage to do that.

51:02

And you know, and it's even heartbreaking more

51:04

when they do that in there, you know, they're not

51:07

believed, or they're or they're shut

51:09

you know, hushed or whatever. So yeah, I agree

51:11

the whole thing. I have no problem.

51:14

You ran it wrong for decades,

51:17

you heard a lot of people. I'm fine,

51:19

shut it down. Yeah. I mean

51:21

that's the other thing too, is so many times people

51:24

who come forward or not believed, or

51:26

it's not taken seriously, or they're treated so poorly

51:28

that they're like why would I even come forward? You know,

51:30

and they just deal with it. Uh.

51:33

Iould like to be a lawyer that has to defend that

51:35

group and be like, no, well this person is

51:37

making it up. If you really don't believe

51:39

that, then you shouldn't. You shouldn't even I

51:42

have a problem with with lawyers that like defense lawyers

51:44

that have to like slander someone

51:46

when they know pretty well that that person

51:48

is telling the truth. I had a friend who

51:52

was sexually assaulted. The

51:55

R word that's triggering for some people, as I'm trying

51:57

to avoid using it. And then she

52:00

went to the hospital for

52:03

an ar kid and

52:05

they said where did it happen?

52:08

And she told them and they said, you

52:10

have to go to a hospital that's in the city

52:12

located where it happened.

52:15

It's like, why would you even bother? You

52:17

know, It's like if these people are not even to take it

52:19

seriously or are just going to push

52:21

you away, or it's like why add insults

52:23

injury at this point, it's just disgusting. Anyway,

52:26

I wanted to not end this on a sad note,

52:28

so I'll just say, um,

52:30

Dmitri, Yeah,

52:33

Dmitri. If if you had a rap career, what

52:36

do you think your user name would be on

52:39

YouTube? I would not

52:42

would I'm not a rapper. I don't know that I would have

52:44

a rap Do you think it would be deep deep aps?

52:47

Yeah? Probably something like that with a Z or

52:49

dollar sign. No, I wouldn't do the

52:50

the plural like

52:52

the paps, because I think

52:55

it would be confused with like papsmere. Yeah.

52:57

I that's immediately what I thought, And I was like, oh,

52:59

I don't know of Dmitri has kind of college vibes,

53:01

but maybe I think I would just do it. Give it like some random

53:04

Twitter name might be like d pap seven

53:06

eight four six given

53:11

nine paps mars. That was my pin

53:13

code? Can we cut that out? Ha ha, Yeah,

53:15

it's your pin um. I entered my pin

53:17

incorrectly three times yesterday and my bank was like, are

53:19

you sure that was you? And I was like, yes, I'm just an idiot.

53:22

Yeah, I'm the king of forgot my password

53:24

clicks. If I was a rapper, I think

53:26

i'd go by um,

53:31

I go by a

53:35

little little joke. Girl.

53:39

I think it's safe to say neither of us are gonna

53:41

have rap careers. Yeah, it's our rap creers are over.

53:43

And if you think that your rap career is just starting,

53:46

leave us a voicemail. We'd

53:48

love to hear a rap that you have for us, But don't

53:51

make it like I can rob

53:53

the seven eleven if you really did just use

53:55

your head on that one. No, don't confess

53:57

the commny a crime does. That's wrapping

54:00

and we don't want to get involved. Okay, let's

54:02

leave us a voicemail eight six s crime.

54:05

That's eight

54:07

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54:10

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54:13

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54:16

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54:18

where they send your phone

54:20

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54:23

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54:26

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54:28

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