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Crime and hello

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social Sluice and welcome back to another

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amazing episode of Real Time Crime. I'm your

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host, Lee Lamar, and I have with me my amazing

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co host, Teddy Mellencamp, and

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we've got, of course are sometimes

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Dmitri. Hello. Sometimes I

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am a little concerned because Teddy didn't take as long

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as a beat before her name, which means she's

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sitting on something hot. I am

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sitting on something so hot. I

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can't even wait until the

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hot topics because this is this is,

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this is flaming topics. So

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last night I stayed at past my bedtime

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just to text. I almost

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thought it was a fake Teddy mellon Camp. I

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was so invested. If

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you know Teddy, you know she wakes up at five am

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to go for a run, and I'm usually going

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to sleep at five am,

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all right, But last night I

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got a text message from our very only a Lamar

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here about

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someone that slid into her d M S drum

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pro Chris

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Cuomo. Dmitri's

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face immediately felt to a frown.

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No, I mean it's not a frown. It's

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I'm concerned as to what was said.

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Well, what we're trying to descipher

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and I'm all at Leah speaking for herself in

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a second, but I just you know, I wanted to close

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that she's definitely going to talk about it. I

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need her to read through some of these damns back

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and forth because we are trying to decipher

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if it we know it's from his Instagram

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account. We have decipher that. But

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what we need to know the crime of today

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is is this a hacker or

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Chris Cuomo. All I'm gonna say, and then

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Leah you take it from here, is

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the punctuation is a real problem

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for me. Okay.

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So Chris Cuomo follows

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me on Instagram, already followed

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you or just followed you, just followed me,

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and thank you to me to for asking

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the important details. Hey, I'm gonna have a lot

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of questions. I can tell you that already. Oh I'm

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certain that. Okay. So Monday

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morning six four am,

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which East Coast time schedule

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yet precisely,

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So I guess he hasn't really done his research on me

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the hacker or Chris Cuomo. Okay,

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So it says I'm doing a deep dive on

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what generates games with his z on

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this and other platforms. You are missing

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an algorithm element I can explain.

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I am a fan period of

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your stand up and podcast, no period,

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I heard it

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said. I said, is this

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Chris or a hacker? Either way, go

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on Cuomo and

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they said, and thank you. I'll be coming an NYC soon

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if you want to come see a live show. He

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said, it is Chris Cuomo. No one else wants

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to be me dot dot dot right now,

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no punctuation. Well, that

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leads me to believe it's true. There's more.

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This just isn't stop here. That

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would have kept me out past. Here's

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the thing, because he said right now, If he just

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said no one else wants to be me, I would have leaned

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towards hacker. When he said right now, leads

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me to believe it. But it gets worse. Okay,

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your followers likely jumped because the content

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generate a spike that triggered an algorithm

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that increases placement. I ha

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ha on it. And then he said, and your

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podcast is interesting. How did you get

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involved with crime? I

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took a beat. Also,

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you have to tell us she made

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it restricted so he couldn't see how

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quickly she read them. Okay,

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good call. So then,

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which was immediately So then

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I said, I'm headlining Caroline soon

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in May. I'll let you know and get you some seats.

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I mean, I just got to know if this is the real Chris

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Cuomo, you know. But also I'm

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very interested in finding out the truth. Slash

4:21

have had some mysteries in my family that left me unsettled,

4:23

and I've always wanted to find answers or

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have a conjugal visit. Who's to say,

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oh, because I wanted to laugh

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at that, but I know it's not a joke. Then

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then at this point, I say, Leah,

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I need you to send a voice note and

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we need him to get to a voice note back

4:45

because we need to confirm or deny if

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this is Chris or like,

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I'm just calling Chris now, my buddy Chris.

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Um, So she

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sent a voice note. She sent a voice note,

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but then he didn't listen to the voice note and

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continued on messaging.

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Um, he

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did listen to the voice note, he just didn't respond with

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a voice note. Oh so it's been played now,

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Yeah, he played it, okay. So

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so I also sent you a late night message

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that I didn't think that you would see because I was like, if

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she's still awake, this is a fake Teddy.

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Now, now you're just going down the rabbit hole

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and everyone's fake, fake

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Teddy melon Cam. What's real in my line?

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You need to go to the next line because

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this is the part that really steals. And it's

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got to be a I mean, could it really be

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him? And him say this? We

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are you talking about the

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question marks? Or before that the

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P word? Okay, So

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we'll skip ahead just a couple of sentences, but

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basically he says, I'm funny, and then he

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asks about the podcast. He wants to know what

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works on the podcast. Um,

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and he asked how the podcast does, and I

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said, the pod does right. And this is when I leave

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a voice note, and I say,

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Chris, be honest, are

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you just asking to be a guest on the podcast? You know

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what, I'll even play the voice note, Chris,

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to be honest, are you asking if you can

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be a guest on the pop? I

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can't even finished cast. You're too busy.

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You just had to say I was driving

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to a show, Teddy okay,

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And he says, no, what does great mean?

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Why am I asking? Because I'm getting a feel for

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the space. No, No,

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there's there's more. So

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I say, well, I was gonna say you're welcome to come on.

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This is no insult, no no offense to

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us. But if Chris Cuomo wants

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to do research on pods, he

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has other options. But even

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then, if it's a hacker, like to what

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does this hacker want you? You

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have to then continue on. Okay, So

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then I say what do you I say, what

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do you want to know about specifically? And then he said

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thanks, because let me go back. I

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said, well, I was gonna say you're welcome to come

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on. What do you want to know about? Specific He

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said thank you as a purpose? How

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many downloads a week per month? And

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then I don't respond, and twenty minutes later he

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sends four question marks. At

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this point I say, do not give your credit

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card information. I don't,

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and don't tell them you like your childhood pet's

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name if you ask for that. Don't tell him your PIN number.

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We know you Lee, You're gonna cough it all up. Don't

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tell him anything, and everyone

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knows my password is one to three four Lelah.

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That's actually mine too. But

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anyway, so that's the story of how we almost

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got Chris Cuomo on this podcast,

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But then I

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had to go take matters into my own hands,

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see if Chris Cuomo was still married, all

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the things. I spent hours researching

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him after this um, only

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to come up with the conclusion that

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this crime is committed by hacker.

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But she wasn't. Damn. I

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checked my d M s. Nothing, nothing

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from

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don't know. You should Instagram

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just sometimes I should.

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Yeah, you should sometimes, Dmitri, maybe

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more people would follow you. Well,

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okay, So then I said to Teddy, I think the only reason

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he hasn't reached out too is because you're married. So

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then that's when Teddy checked to see if Chris Cuoma

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was still married, which he is. I think

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the hacker just thinks I'm more gullible than you. I'm

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more likely to give him all my bitcoin.

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In fairness, you do weekly talk

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about wanting to hook up with cons and conjugal

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visits, and I mean, you do that

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interest, So yeah,

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go on, Teddy SR your voice cracked. I

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am a prepubescent boy, so that checks out.

8:54

I mean, if I'm a hacker listening to this podcast, Teddy's

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talking about her husband putting in a big security

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system, and You're like, I would love to hook up with a

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felon. So if I'm if

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I'm narrowing it down to who's an easier target, Yeah,

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it's you. I've always imagined if a robber

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was in my house that they would just start

9:10

like laughing in the closet because I'm just always

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doing the most radium, just listening

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to my comedy sets out loud, just being

9:16

like, LEYO, what y'a do today? You know,

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I don't know what someone

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was up late watching old Chris Pombo videos.

9:24

I think we need to ask one

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additional question of Chris. Okay, which

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is your favorite episode

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of the pod? I thought it was

9:34

going to be if you could be

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one Seinfeld character, which would it be? Who

9:40

does everyone choose? I

9:43

feel like it's a Lane, right, I was gonna

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say a Lane, but I

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mean, yeah, probably

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a Lane, I guess. Or Jerry. Yeah.

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I mean I love Jason Alexander very much and

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I think he's hilarious, but I don't think anyone would want to be

9:56

George's torture. I would say Jerry. The only reason

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I might lean lean towards Cramer is because

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the guys just living by his own rules. He doesn't

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care, He's oblivious to what everybody thinks about him.

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Like that's kind of a blissful way to live

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through life. That's a very sometimes thing

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of you to say, and

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this is why you're not oftentimes yea.

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And that just brings us into the hot topics

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for today. Other than the smoldering

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topic we just had. Today, we're gonna be discussing

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a heist on the set of the Crown of Florida pageant

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volunteer stealing money, a child found

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dead in a freezer in Las Vegas, a questionable juror

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from the Scott Peterson case. And finally, we

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have an amazing guest today who's the host of Crime

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Scene Confidential and I d who

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will be taking a deep die with us on the Casey

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Anthony trial. Uh

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sorry, Teddy, is it me

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or was that the first time this Chris Cuomo

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things I think hitting Or is this the

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first time she read the hot topics like really newsy?

11:04

Yeah? Like she it's it's gone

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to her head, She's like, and she then if you're tuning

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in, just so you guys

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know, I have had contact with Chris Cuomo, So I just

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feel a little bit like I know more about the

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news and I am on my high horse.

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Well then I expect not to hear any song at

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the end with that one you call us at the Yeah,

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I mean that's asking for a lot today. Um,

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okay, you want to lead us in. Sure,

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let me over myself. I'm

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Chris Cuomo has a DM ME so I still

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can't read. Um. Heist

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on the set of The Crown sees

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thieves steal over two hundred thousand

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dollars worth of antique props. These

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have stolen over two hundred thousand dollars worth

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of props from the Netflix series The Crown

11:47

while the production was shooting nearby. Over three

11:50

items were taken during the highest, including

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a Faberge egg, a grandfather clock,

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a dressing table. You get the picture. Um,

11:57

the items stolen are not necessarily

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in the best condition and therefore of

12:02

limited value of resell. The

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Crown set director told the gazette.

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UM, I mean this is flaming

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hot. Do

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you think this was an inside job? What

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did they say was missing? I'm just curious.

12:22

My question is do you think this was an inside

12:24

job? If so, yeah, of course, But

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don't you think then they would know that these items

12:30

weren't expensive for resale or no total?

12:34

I mean together they're two dollars, right,

12:37

yeah, but I think they're difficult to sell because they're

12:39

not in great condition, but you can't

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also sell them all together. That

12:44

I mean that kind of cused people, and that you're

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the one that stole the items, right, I

12:48

would think so, And I know, you know, didn't Netflix

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say they Yeah. I

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just think, you know, it's definitely

12:55

an inside job, and maybe someone

12:57

is just really into this time period, like

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making a special room in their house. Maybe

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it could. I mean, we go

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to a scape room, We're like, huh, that's interesting.

13:10

Do you think if we looked into it, we find out that the prop

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master had been d M me with Chris Cuomo and

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suddenly all this stuff disappeared. Could

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be? Could be? Can

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you get into Miss Florida please? I would love

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to get into Miss Florida, you guys. Miss

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Florida Scholarship director

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allegedly still Actually it's

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interesting because later in the article it says she's a volunteer,

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So I'm not sure if he's a director or a volunteer,

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but either way, she's still one thousand

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dollars from the program to pay for shopping

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sprees and dating sites. Drum

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roll, how old do we think this person is? I

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don't know. I

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guess i'd say

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Teddy seventy

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six, guys,

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Teddy learned how to read in the last two minutes. Okay.

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So. As executive director of the Miss Florida

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Scholarship Program, Mary Wickersham

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codrolled donors and oversaw, a non

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for profit organization that funded scholarships

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for young women who competed in pagets.

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But when she needed money to support her own

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lifestyle, according to prosecutors,

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she stole it. I'm just

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trying it on for size. Hows it feel? It

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felt a little forced there and

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see what happens. Okay. Between

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December, j Wickersham

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seventy six spend at least a hundred

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thousand that belonged to the nonprofit other

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charities to cover her personal expenses for shopping,

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home goods, made, cleaning services, dining

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out, online dating fees, and other costs

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She goes by either Mary Sullivan

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and Mary Harvey. Was

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arrested Tuesday on seven accounts of wire

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fraud. You guys, I

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just want to say, first

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and foremost, let

14:53

the woman live. She's

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on dating sites at seventy six. Just let her

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have this. She

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took hundred dollars to do it. I

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she know she should reach out to she

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should swipe right or whatever it is

15:07

that you're supposed to swipe the Tinder

15:09

swindler. I think that she made

15:11

a combination of the Tinder swindler

15:13

and Anna delbe. Oh

15:16

my, we still need to get into Anna delb on

15:18

another day because that I

15:22

have, we haven't gotten her on the pod yet. I

15:24

know what, Anna Delbie, please reach

15:26

out or any of your friends. They

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use their own credit cards or their bosses. Guys

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Chris Cuomo could be listening. This is pathetic. It's

15:36

not pathetic. Also,

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I'm trying to drop in the chat um

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An image, but it won't let me. I

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just I feel like everyone needs to

15:47

see this. Why wouldn't let me do this?

15:49

Is? It isn't Mary,

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It's even better. It's even if you can imagine.

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Okay, hold on, yes

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me and I

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forgot you are a beauty pageant gal.

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So here's when I confessed to my crime.

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What what are these shoes?

16:18

Only issue there? Pageant? I

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mean there's a lot of issues, like the bracelet

16:24

with the bathing suit, but I

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don't know what it's

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like. Who do I think I am wonder woman in a swimsuit?

16:33

What is that? Yeah, um,

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no, you didn't know that. Leah

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wasn't what was it, miss new York, Miss

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New York. I mean she wasn't missed New York,

16:42

but she's in the past. No, I was missed

16:45

New York. If

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I had competed in a a synagogue, you know I would

16:50

have won, but

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up against New York's finest, I I didn't even

16:54

place top twenty. But I will tell you what I did win.

16:57

I won in a word for my writing,

17:00

which is not the thing you want to win at a beauty

17:02

pageant. I didn't

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even know there was writing a category, and the

17:07

beauty pageant, yeah, they don't show it to

17:09

anyone. But I sent in an

17:11

essay about me and my accomplishments

17:14

and what I was doing for the world, which

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was honestly not much. But compared

17:18

to everyone else, I think I was killing it.

17:20

And moral of the story is they gave me a

17:22

word from my brain. So

17:25

this this hurts to this day. But can we also

17:27

talk about the fact that I had my abs had abs.

17:30

I know this is your extremely. I

17:34

look like the tow Why don't

17:36

you put this? I'm

17:38

you need to post this phone out and

17:41

say what running

17:43

for Miss California. Now try

17:48

I don't know um this

17:51

at this point there at what

17:55

you're the pageant writing winner, come up with something

17:57

that's your bio. Paget writing

18:00

winner. I think I weighed maybe forty

18:02

pounds more now than I do in this photo.

18:04

I would be cat fishing people. Um

18:08

well, which brings us to the next heartbreaking

18:12

hot topic from a People magazine

18:14

article. Las Vegas child

18:17

found dead in a freezer after sibling hands

18:19

a teacher a note asking for help to send home.

18:21

Las Vegas authorities have arrested a thirty

18:24

five year old man after allegedly finding

18:26

the body of a young boy and a freezer in his garage.

18:29

Online court records confirmed that Brandon

18:31

Tooselin was charged Tuesday with two counts

18:33

of first degree kidnapping. Homicide.

18:35

Detectives are handling the investigation after

18:38

the discovery of the boy's body

18:40

Tuesday afternoon. Las Vegas Metropolitan

18:42

Police have yet to release the victim's name or

18:44

age. UM

18:47

Oh my gosh, I can't um the note

18:49

there was a note had handed to the

18:52

elementary school teacher. The note was

18:54

written by the girl's mother and explained that

18:56

her boyfriend had been holding her against her will

18:58

inside their home, the lieutenant told

19:00

the paper. Additionally, the mother wrote in the

19:03

note that she did not know where the girl's brother

19:05

was and believed he was likely deceased.

19:08

The teacher reported the distressing note to police

19:10

around eight am Tuesday, and the officers

19:12

dispatched to the neighborhood stopped at

19:14

Towson's car at around ten am. Toselin

19:17

was taken into custody and police spoke to the

19:19

victim's mother, who told them she hadn't seen

19:21

her son since since December eleventh.

19:23

The paper reports. She also allegedly

19:26

accused Hoselin of months of physical

19:28

abuse. After Tilson's arrest, police

19:30

executed a search warrant of the

19:33

home and in the garage found the dead child

19:35

in the freezer. Toselin is not the father

19:37

of the Veil mctam victim or his sister.

19:40

Spencer told the paper that the mother had been

19:42

barred from entering the garage. He also

19:44

said Tosin will likely face a murder charge

19:46

when he's arraigned this morning. Toselin has

19:48

yet to enter please to the kidnapping charges,

19:51

and information on his lawyers was not

19:53

available. Spencer told the papers detectives

19:55

would be looking into whether the mother was involved

19:57

in the boy's death. You got

20:00

so heartbreaking this.

20:05

It's just so I can't

20:08

even imagine with the mother and

20:11

the sister are going through right now and what they've

20:13

been going through. Is this is what happened to the brother.

20:17

It I have so many

20:19

questions about it though, because apparently

20:21

they rested him in his car, which

20:24

means he left the house. So my question was,

20:26

was she locked in the house? Was

20:28

she you know he was she was barred

20:31

from going to the garage, But does

20:33

that mean that there was a lock on the garage or

20:35

I just it feels like definitely if.

20:37

I mean, I have no idea, but maybe she's just

20:39

definitely afraid. I mean, I think if you're being abused,

20:42

I know, but I still weren't all

20:44

the information. I just feel like they're more

20:46

details that they're not giving us. I'm

20:49

sure more will come out in time, and

20:51

that will hear. This is not the end of this case

20:53

that we're hearing about, for sure. And

20:56

this is so tragic. The fact that she wrote

20:58

the note to give to her daughter,

21:00

to give to her teacher. I

21:03

can't even imagine being the teacher receiving

21:05

that note, well, thank god that the

21:07

teacher did something about it, because

21:10

she could have very well thought, oh, this is not

21:12

you know what I mean that I've heard. I've heard stories

21:14

before where teachers have gotten information

21:17

and assumed that it wasn't true.

21:20

That's that's a pretty heavy note to get and

21:22

be like, oh, you know, well,

21:25

like I mean, you're right, Thank thank goodness that she did.

21:27

But we'll remember the case with

21:30

um the boy

21:32

that was in California and the teacher

21:34

had been told multiple times and just

21:38

it happens so well. It's

21:40

kind of a similar thing too, when

21:43

people confess to murders that they didn't confess

21:45

to. I think I think at some point sometimes

21:47

kids they just think that kids make

21:49

things up, or they've seen something in a movie

21:52

or you know, and that's why they deny the truth. You

21:56

know, there's always some sort of weird element there.

21:58

But thank god she took the seriously.

22:01

And I'm I'm

22:03

praying that the mother is not involved and

22:06

that is it's all.

22:09

Ah, that's maybe

22:12

we just moved. Yeah, we'll just we'll just keep

22:14

it. But I'm sure

22:16

we'll hear more about this case in the

22:18

future. Okay, So I'm sure you guys

22:20

have heard all about this already. But

22:23

if not, there's a juror in the Scott

22:25

Peterson case who's an emotional wreck who

22:27

wanted him to pay extra

22:29

testifies. When the

22:32

alternate juror first walked

22:34

into the deliberations room nearly eighteen years

22:36

ago, she blurted out that Scott Peterson, on

22:38

trial for the killing of his pregnant wife and unborn son,

22:41

should pay for killing the little man. A

22:43

former juror in the notorious case testified

22:45

Tuesday, we were like, whoa wha

22:47

before you try to give us your opinion. We have

22:49

a kind of process for mar jur

22:52

Greg burrat List testified

22:55

anyone walking in and saying, hey, guilty

22:57

or not guilty. We gave everyone equal respect

22:59

to discuss it. Also Tuesday,

23:01

the judge postponed until March the

23:04

remainder of the evidentiary hearing that

23:06

was supposed to end this week, giving Peterson's lawyers

23:08

more time to determine whether Nice first discussed

23:11

a book deal before the trial concluded.

23:13

The murder convictions in the deaths of Peterson's

23:16

wife, Lazy, and unborn son they planned

23:18

to name Connor, were upheld. However,

23:21

their bodies washed up separately in April two

23:23

thousand three along the Richmond shoreline close

23:25

to her. Peterson told police he had been fishing the Christmas

23:28

eve his wife had

23:30

vanished. Peterson is now serving life

23:32

without parole and is housed in a Redwood

23:34

City jail. During his latest appeal, he

23:37

appeared in court wearing a red jail suit and shackles

23:39

every day this week. I don't know why that detail

23:41

mattered, but here we are. I guess

23:44

Red is the new Orange. Okay.

23:48

Nice spent Friday and Monday on the

23:50

witness stand defending herself from accusations

23:52

that she hit her history of domestic violence

23:55

issues to get on the trial. Although

23:57

her then boyfriend pled no contest in domestic

23:59

abuse or does a couple of years before the Peterson

24:01

trial, she testified that she was the aggressor

24:03

and never considered herself a victim.

24:06

Nonetheless, Peterson lawyer

24:08

Pat Harris, who represented him in

24:10

the original try in two thousand four four,

24:13

try to show Tuesday that, along with hiding her

24:15

past, Nice, known to journalists as

24:17

Strawberry Shortcake love the media

24:20

for her bright red dyed hair, sought to get

24:22

on the trail from notoriety am I

24:24

turning it to Teddy from notoriety and

24:26

financial reasons. Under questioning um,

24:29

it was said that Nice seemed to enjoy the

24:31

attention she received coming and going from the

24:33

Redwood City Courthouse. As

24:37

you guys think that, I mean, this is insane. I'm

24:39

sorry, but didn't this happen in two thousand

24:42

and three? Why are they just bringing this up

24:44

now? It's not like this is new

24:46

information. It's

24:49

media propaganda to get

24:51

us focused away from looking

24:53

at all the things that are actually wrong with the American

24:56

government and conspiracy theories. I don't

24:58

know. Also, I do want to point

25:00

out that you enunciated um dyed

25:03

red hair as if that was well,

25:07

it could be a red herring, Okay.

25:10

I also is it is it Nice or

25:12

niece? I

25:14

can't I know. I mean, I could

25:16

have looked it up beforehand, but here we are. So

25:20

do you think that they're going to grant Peterson a new trial

25:22

based on this juror's biased

25:25

opinion, allegedly biased opinion?

25:28

I mean, who knows,

25:30

But I feel like eighteen years

25:32

is a pretty long time without any new

25:35

evidence. I'm sorry, but even

25:38

if he was granted a new trial, what's worse

25:40

than a life without parole death sentence,

25:43

right, I don't, and I don't think

25:45

that anyone would think

25:47

that he's not guilty at this point. And

25:49

also, did he have highlighted hair again

25:52

or was it his natural color when he was

25:54

in the red jumpsuit. I'm just wondering if

25:56

he could come to trial with frosted tips might

25:58

make him more likable. I'm

26:00

also I don't want to know the obvious if

26:03

you think he's attractive. UM.

26:05

On that note, we should take a little break before

26:07

we bring in our very special guest. Let's

26:09

cut her off with a break real quick before she answers

26:12

that wait is that Chris

26:14

Cuomo? Okay,

26:18

yeah,

26:29

and we're back. Guys, hope

26:31

you didn't commit any crimes in the commercial

26:33

break. You're listening to Real Time Crime. I'm

26:36

Leo Lamar. We've got Teddy Mellencamp here

26:38

sometimes Dmitri, and we

26:40

finally have our incredible guests for

26:42

today that we are all so excited about.

26:45

You. Guys, our guest has

26:48

investigated some of the country's most shocking

26:50

crimes, having served as a c

26:53

s I for the Orange County Sheriff's Office

26:55

on the investigation into the tragic two

26:57

th eight death of toddler Kaylee Anthon

27:00

me and worked as part of an emergency

27:02

community response to identify the victims

27:04

of the Pulse nightclub

27:07

tragedy. She is

27:09

the host and star of the new show crime

27:11

Scene Confidential on I D. It

27:13

follows her as she utilizes her scientific

27:15

expertise to revisit some of America's most

27:18

shocking and controversial cases by

27:20

exploring the complexity surrounding each

27:22

item of forensic evidence, navigating

27:24

the tactics used by the prosecution and

27:26

the defense, and speaking with central figures

27:29

in the case, whether they're the victims

27:31

of the loved ones or the convicted perpetrators

27:34

themselves. She strives

27:36

to bring clarity and closure to those who feel

27:38

the immeasurable loss of these horrific crimes.

27:41

And today we have with us our

27:44

wonderful guests Elena Burrows.

27:47

Hi, Lena, Hey, thank you so much for

27:49

having me. We're so counting down

27:51

the days until marje Wait.

27:54

You and me both so

28:00

incredible to have you here with us. We're

28:02

so excited. And we also know that the first

28:04

episode of Crime Scene Confidential covers

28:07

all the details of the Casey Anthony

28:09

case and Teddy

28:12

and I obviously have a million questions, and

28:15

I already see you NodD in your head. You're like, yes, okay,

28:18

alright, I'm glad we're all on the same page already.

28:20

And for those of you who may not know about the Keyley

28:22

and Casey Anthony. Case Casey Anthony was the mother

28:24

of Kaylee Anthony, who was missing for thirty

28:27

one days and ultimately

28:29

was found debt so. Casey

28:31

Anthony was living in Orlando, Florida,

28:34

with her maternal grandparents and

28:37

Casey's mom and dad, Cindy

28:39

and George Anthony. Cindy called the police

28:41

on July fifteen, two eight to report

28:43

Kaylee had been missing for thirty one

28:46

days. An hour before her missing persons

28:48

call, Cindy called nine one one, claimy she found her

28:50

daughter's car, her daughter's Casey Anthony,

28:53

and it smelled like there had been a dead body inside.

28:56

Casey Anthony said she hadn't seen her daughter

28:58

in weeks and didn't call because

29:00

she had been looking for her and have

29:02

gone through other resources to find her and

29:04

was attempting to find her herself. Kaylee's

29:07

skeletal remains were found with a blanket inside

29:09

a laundry bag on December near

29:12

the Anthony's family home. Okay,

29:16

we can go through more details of the case,

29:19

but I think first let's get

29:22

a little more information about you.

29:24

Why did you become a crime scene investigator?

29:28

What in your life brought you to this moment?

29:31

And there's

29:33

so much on the Capricorn, I

29:35

like on the beach and dead

29:38

things with this tick to

29:41

all capricorns enjoy that? Or is that just a spinoff

29:43

from there? There's gonna be some studies

29:46

They're gonna have to be done to confirm. But

29:49

I can say that it's true for me. I

29:51

can do that on Google. Right now, Let's

29:53

get up home. Yeah, So does c S I stand

29:55

for a Capricorn scene investigator? It

30:00

does in this case. Uh

30:03

so, all right, a little bit about my background.

30:05

So my father

30:08

had trained law enforcement for that

30:10

was his business. He's an industrial organizational

30:13

psychologist and they

30:15

deal with kind of how police choose

30:18

the best police to promote

30:20

and get the right people for the right job. And

30:23

I took an interest in in that

30:25

job, and while I was in college, I went

30:27

to work for him and trying

30:30

to help pick the best police and trying

30:32

to help them like write their resumes

30:34

and prepare for promotional exams, and

30:37

so part of what I was doing is helping write

30:39

these promotional exams. So to write the tests,

30:41

I had to take the general orders

30:43

and standard operating procedures, and

30:46

I always gravitated towards the crime scene

30:48

ones and I was like, I'm gonna write a lot of questions about these.

30:50

So I started studying them and I just went, this

30:53

is what I want to do. And

30:56

so I called the local

30:58

sheriff's office in where

31:00

I was living, which happened to be the Orange County Sheriff's

31:02

Office, and I said, hey, what is it. What

31:04

do you need to be a crime scene investigator?

31:07

Because at that point in time, right c S,

31:09

I like the shows and things were

31:12

kind of starting to take off, but it was just

31:14

a little bit, a little bit before that, and

31:17

they said, you know, this is what you need.

31:19

You need to have this background in science, you need

31:21

to have all this. And at that point in time, I had a

31:23

bachelor's degree in communication, right,

31:26

not kind of the ideal background

31:28

to be a crime scene investigator, but I'm

31:30

really stubborn, and so I said, all

31:33

right, cool. So I went and I got a master's

31:35

degree in criminal justice in three

31:37

semesters because

31:40

they said that's what it's gonna take. And I'm like, all

31:42

right, got it next, And

31:44

I went and applied, and um, I

31:47

got the job as a crime scene investigator.

31:49

And I just knew that that was my path, right.

31:52

I don't do well with injustice, um,

31:55

and I always took it as a challenge. Every

31:57

case that I worked was like, oh, you think

32:00

you're going to do that to this person that

32:03

I've never met. Doesn't matter, right,

32:05

it does not matter to me. That

32:07

doesn't sit well with me. You

32:10

know. I'd always read like the police

32:12

reports and I'd be like, okay, a victim is there

32:14

you Susan Jones? Oh not today.

32:17

Not to this, Susan Jones. You're not

32:19

right. And I thought, this is my job

32:22

to find whatever

32:24

the fingerprint the d NA, Like I took

32:26

it as a personal assault that you think

32:28

you're going to get away with this, And

32:30

then I went no, because I'm going to be the

32:33

one that's gonna find this whatever

32:35

you left behind. You can't

32:37

think you're smarter than me, Like,

32:39

no, not today? Now?

32:41

Is there a is there an issue with that? Because I've

32:44

like a lot of people say, you can't get emotionally invested

32:46

in cases, right, Yeah? Do you

32:48

find that to be a problem or is that just something that obviously

32:51

it spurred you on and it made you better at what you do.

32:53

But is that a problem with some that they get too

32:55

invested in No, I don't think

32:57

so because to me, like I don't know that

32:59

person in I just use that as

33:01

my motivation, you know, to

33:03

to do better at my job. And you

33:06

know, just in the like global sense

33:08

of injustice, right, I don't

33:10

personally know the person or have any kind

33:13

of motivation to help them in some way. Um.

33:16

You know, as as time goes on, it gets

33:19

harder because you know

33:21

children, right, crimes against people like children

33:24

and the elderly and these particularly vulnerable

33:26

parts of the population, it makes

33:28

it challenging. And there were many a

33:31

time when I would drive to a crime scene,

33:33

I would work my call, might work my case,

33:35

and I would get in my van and I would cry the

33:37

way back to the sheriff's office. Because we're

33:40

human, right, There is no switch

33:42

that you turn on or off when you go and you do

33:44

your job, and that humanity

33:47

is what also makes us good at our jobs.

33:49

You know. I don't think anybody expects somebody

33:52

to want to be motivated to do this job for

33:55

a very little sum of money and

33:58

not have some bigger purpose in life

34:00

that humanity is. What does that for us?

34:03

Is there a particular case that was

34:07

the hardest for you that to separate

34:10

between home life and yeah,

34:14

Kaylee, right? And the reason

34:16

and it's so hard is you

34:19

know, I worked hundreds

34:21

of homicide cases, and I've worked all kinds

34:23

of death cases that are all challenging

34:26

for different reasons, but this

34:28

one was different because the whole world knew

34:30

the victim. And you know, in

34:33

these cases, you try to work and you try to separate,

34:35

and you go home and you live your life and you try to leave

34:37

it and unpack it. But how do you leave this case

34:40

when the whole world is saying your victim's name,

34:42

and the whole world is playing this video

34:44

tape of this beautiful, little brown eyed girl

34:47

singing to her grandmother and playing

34:50

and every time you go home and you turn on the news,

34:52

it's there, and you go to the store and it's on People magazine,

34:55

and all of a sudden, there is

34:57

no separation between your personal life

34:59

and your life because the whole world

35:01

knows and they're asking you

35:04

about it everywhere you go, so that

35:06

that line of separation becomes very

35:08

blurry. And

35:11

how many years later and we're still talking about

35:13

it? Right? Is there any

35:16

chance, like in any world,

35:19

that Casey did not do this? You

35:22

know? I think it's the

35:24

hard part for people is I don't think anybody

35:27

doubts there's involvement. Right. As

35:29

an investigator, we look at not

35:31

only what we have, but what we do not have,

35:34

right, so we have to say scientifically,

35:36

we have the crime scene

35:39

being located very near to the house. We

35:41

have the car that belongs to her that is

35:43

involved. We have duct

35:45

tape similar brand, you know, our same brands

35:47

found in the house. We have the bag

35:50

that she is in, a matching bag that's in the

35:52

house. The clothing that she is in, we have pictures

35:54

of her wearing that. We also have pictures

35:57

and family albums, so this is not clothing

35:59

that she's been dressed by a stranger. The

36:01

diapers that she's in are the same brand

36:03

that has been purchased by the house. All

36:05

of these things indicate.

36:08

The blanket is Winnie the Pooh, it's the same, you

36:11

know. The way that her crib has been decorated

36:13

in the house. The totality

36:16

of the evidence that we look at. These

36:18

are all things that bring us back towards

36:20

the Anthony residence when

36:22

we look at what we don't have, because

36:24

that is just as important as what we do have.

36:27

What we don't have is evidence of

36:29

third party involvement in

36:31

that entirety of what I listed. Do

36:33

we have a

36:36

car that belongs to a stranger. Do

36:39

we have fingerprints or DNA that give

36:41

us an idea that the child has been kidnapped

36:43

or been in the care of somebody else.

36:46

If a child is kidnapped and under

36:48

the care in the care of somebody for thirty

36:50

days missing, we would expect to

36:52

see clothing

36:55

that they had to purchase at a target,

36:57

at a Walmart somewhere on the road on

36:59

the one that does not match. But

37:02

she's in clothing that has been worn by

37:04

the family, been bought by the family.

37:07

If she's in the care of a stranger for thirty

37:10

days, you have to buy diapers. You have to buy

37:12

something when you're on the run on the

37:14

road. But she's in diapers that are the same

37:16

brand that is purchased by the family. So

37:18

we need to look at what we have and what we don't have.

37:21

What we don't have is evidence of third party

37:23

involvement. And

37:25

sorry to monopolize this guy.

37:27

I have another question because what

37:30

I have never understood about this case

37:32

is when Casey

37:35

leaves her home for those thirty

37:38

one days and Kaylee has meant missing.

37:41

If we're supposed to believe that

37:45

you know, Kayley did go missing,

37:49

where is the boyfriend thinking that Kayley

37:51

is for thirty one days that she's staying at and

37:53

where do her parents? I

37:56

think that Casey is that's

37:58

when you have to look at a pattern of behavior, and

38:00

there's a pattern of behavior that she

38:02

tells a lot of stories to a lot

38:04

of people, and that this is not a

38:06

typical behavior for her to tell,

38:09

you know, group A that I'm with B and tell

38:11

group B that I'm with group A. So people

38:13

don't ask a lot of questions, and it's just doesn't

38:15

seem to be a typical behavior for her to

38:18

tell stories to people, and they

38:20

don't seem to question this. Well,

38:22

she's such a pathological lie. She lies about

38:24

everything. She lies about still

38:26

having a job working at Universal, she

38:28

lies about her boyfriend's

38:31

mom having cancer, like all these weird

38:33

little details and then they never meet the families and

38:35

then saying that she dropped Kayleie off with Zanny

38:38

the nanny who and

38:40

this is a real person who doesn't

38:43

even know the family and

38:46

it had nothing to do with this. You

38:48

know. Somebody even said that they thought Zanni meant

38:50

zan X, right. It was a it was a theory

38:52

that was was tossed around. Did she you know, was

38:55

there evidence that she drugged the child? And then

38:57

dropping her off with Zanny was you know, a

38:59

key phrase for giving her a xan

39:02

X and kind of letting her sleep

39:04

it off or something. And then you

39:06

have to look at her behavior. And I saw um

39:09

when you were talking when somebody when Leah

39:11

was reading doing the intro and she said she

39:13

was she says she was looking for her, and you did your

39:15

air quotes with your fingers. So it's

39:17

it's like, for that amount of time, you didn't

39:20

contact anybody, so I was looking for on my

39:22

own. But then she also went out and that was

39:24

partying in this and at a time it's it's

39:26

kind of I mean, I think that falls

39:29

into that category of what you have and what you don't have, and

39:31

when you watch someone's behavior, like if

39:33

if anyone thought anyone's sane

39:35

or anyone that I know thought that their kid was missing.

39:37

That's not the behavior that says, hey,

39:40

I have nothing to do with this, help me out. So

39:43

what you're going to be very interested to see in

39:45

the first episode of Crime Seemed Confidential

39:48

that we have not seen before is that I'm going to

39:50

sit down and speak with not only Cindy,

39:52

but we're we're gonna see that I

39:55

sit down and speak with Dorothy Clay

39:57

Sims, which is her defense attorney,

39:59

which we have never spoken too before,

40:02

and Dorothy is going to offer up some

40:04

explanations for Casey's behavior

40:06

that maybe people haven't given much thought to. HM.

40:09

That's interesting. I'll just if someone is

40:11

a pathological liar. I know lie

40:13

detector tests aren't necessarily accurate,

40:16

but can they pass Lie detector tests

40:18

if they are pathological? The

40:22

thing about lie detector tests

40:24

is that they're they're not to

40:27

begin with and uh and even

40:29

lie detector tests, it depends. The modern day

40:31

lie detector tests is called a voice stress analysis,

40:34

So they now look at the pattern

40:36

and the changes in your voice and the stress

40:38

that that enables. So we don't even do the

40:40

old school where they kind of hook up the wires around

40:42

your chest that you've seen kind of in old

40:44

school police movies. Now they do voice

40:47

stress analysis, but

40:50

they kind of some

40:52

of the things that I looked up, and not

40:54

that this really means anything. I have said

40:57

that there was something that happened inside

40:59

of the house, inside of that family

41:01

house, that all that her dad knows

41:03

about, that her mom knows about. Do

41:06

you think there's any truth to that. I

41:09

don't have any scientific evidence of

41:12

anything of that nature. Right, There's not gonna be a

41:14

lot of theories that get thrown about,

41:16

but I don't have any scientific evidence that would

41:18

support that. And I think that is

41:21

the theme of this show, and that's

41:23

what I encourage people to focus

41:25

on, because, especially with this case,

41:28

there's so much emotional involvement in attachment,

41:30

especially when we see a child involved. Everybody

41:33

gets so emotionally invested in

41:35

this, and the tendency

41:37

is to want to follow a narrative,

41:40

and no matter what we talk about, there are narratives

41:42

in this case, and there's narratives that are that

41:44

are portrayed by the defense, and there are narratives

41:47

that are portrayed by the prosecution. There are narratives

41:49

that are portrayed by the media, and

41:51

we immediately, because we're humans,

41:53

we jump up and we want to follow a narrative and

41:56

we go, yes that and we we

41:58

follow that path. What physic iCal

42:00

evidence does is it doesn't follow

42:02

a narrative. It simply is. And

42:05

what I encourage people to do that and that's the

42:07

beauty of forensic science, and that's the beauty of

42:09

crime scene confidential is we are going

42:11

to follow the evidence and the forensic

42:14

science behind it, and we're gonna say, okay,

42:16

uh, we're not. We're not gonna fall prey

42:18

to following a narrative. We're going

42:20

to look at the evidence and you're

42:22

gonna follow it from my perspective

42:25

from a crime scene perspective, which, by the way, is

42:27

new. We have never ever

42:31

had a crime show before that has

42:33

looked at from a crime scene investigator's

42:35

perspective. We've seen dramatization of

42:37

crime scene before, but we've never seen real

42:40

deal from the evidence

42:42

perspective, from a crime scene point of view. We're

42:44

gonna follow this and we're not we're la la la

42:46

la, Not I not following the narrative. We're following

42:48

crime scene facts and then

42:51

allow people to look at the totality

42:53

of evidence, not what

42:55

I call cafeteria style. We don't take our

42:57

trade down and go oh yeah, I'll take that, and I'll take

43:00

is, and I'll build a narrative built upon

43:02

the things that support my belief. No.

43:04

No, we're gonna look at the evidence

43:07

and the totality of the evidence and what does

43:09

that support, not

43:11

a narrative. This feels very reminiscent

43:13

of the John ben Ay Ramsey case in

43:16

that the public wanted to form a narrative.

43:20

And well, I guess my other

43:22

question. I mean, I have so many questions

43:24

for you, But I was actually

43:27

talking about the narrative

43:29

that they've been saying that she potentially

43:31

drowned in the pool. No way to prove

43:33

or disprove that theory. And he also knows

43:35

that the case being in Florida, everybody

43:38

in Florida is used to hearing on the news

43:40

very tragically. But because we have so many bodies

43:42

of water and so many people in Florida have

43:44

pools, it is not uncommon to

43:47

hear on the news that we have drownings

43:49

very frequently in Florida. Because Toddler's

43:51

come, you know, come out and drown in pools. The

43:54

main difference that we have is I have worked

43:57

very many drownings of toddler's. What

43:59

I assure you does not happen is

44:01

that when you discover a drowned child

44:04

in a pool, what a parent does.

44:06

No matter in what state you

44:08

find your child, you always have hope

44:12

something you can save my child. If

44:14

the child is at the bottom of the pool and is

44:16

blue, you jump in, you pull

44:18

the child out, You call nine one one, and you

44:21

think a medical miracle will save

44:23

my child. The paramedics will come, they

44:25

will bring them back, they'll take them to the hospital,

44:27

they will save them, they will do something. In

44:29

one of the child drownings

44:31

that I have worked was called

44:34

what you do not do is

44:36

go, oh, well, guess I'll bagger

44:39

upright well, And that's

44:41

the disconnect. That's the disconnect because

44:43

at what point do you think, and it

44:45

goes to onto the Scott Peterson's of the world and all

44:47

these people, at what point do you think what you're

44:49

doing is better than

44:52

than the really the easiest route.

44:55

If if that was the case, you call and you say there

44:57

was an accident, and then you go from there. If

45:00

got Peterson wants to get a divorceing. Excuse

45:02

my, but get a divorce right,

45:06

So we don't We can't explain the

45:09

mental thought process here if it were

45:11

an accident, why the first thought

45:13

was cover up the behavior rather than call

45:16

and report it if it were a drowning. Because

45:18

scientifically we can say what happened.

45:20

We can talk about postmortem root banding

45:22

and having a deceased body that is mitochondreally

45:25

linked to Casey in the car. But

45:27

what scientifically I cannot explain

45:30

is intent. What about did

45:32

you? Was there ever any information

45:34

on who Kyley's actual

45:36

father is? Because I saw something that said

45:39

two of the guys that they assumed

45:41

could potentially be her father both

45:44

died in a car crash. But is

45:46

that the same car crash? What are

45:48

the chances that two people, well

45:51

it wasn't father also in a car crash

45:54

and that's when they reconnected George

45:57

was involved in a car crash. You're no,

46:00

but this Two of the guys

46:02

that they said the potential father's potential

46:04

fathers both died in the car crash. Sorry I

46:06

didn't say that probably died. Okay, So

46:11

they still don't know who her dad is. I

46:13

don't know who knows who the father is I don't personally

46:16

know who it was. Well,

46:19

so, what are your thoughts in the fact

46:21

of the googling of chloroform

46:24

and then the theory that she possibly over

46:26

chloroformed her daughter. You

46:29

know, it's a it's another theory. Uh,

46:35

I can't you know, I know that I

46:37

can't remember if we address that on the on

46:40

an episode one or not. But

46:45

it's it's um so hard

46:47

to say. There's there's so many pieces

46:50

of evidence out there that again, you

46:52

know, science can lead people

46:56

to make a logical conclusion. We

47:00

can provide all of the evidence

47:02

in the world scientifically speaking,

47:05

but ultimately, in

47:07

our justice system, jurors will

47:10

still be charged with making

47:12

a conclusion upon that evidence.

47:15

You know, we're not always and very rarely

47:18

going to have confessions and video tapes

47:20

of crimes, or we wouldn't need a jury

47:22

to make a decision. So all

47:24

we can do as investigators is have

47:27

evidence, provide that evidence, and trust

47:29

people to make a decision. And

47:33

And what are your thoughts on Casey

47:35

potentially writing a book that's the rumor

47:38

now that she is. I

47:41

have learned over my years of investigation

47:45

and being a human that I am only

47:47

responsible for what I do,

47:50

and I sleep very well at night, and

47:53

I can't be responsible for what other people

47:56

do and how they sleep at night. I

47:58

will say this, I try very

48:01

hard to refer to this case as

48:03

the Kaylee Anthony case because

48:06

we need to be very victim centric and

48:09

ensure that we keep the memory of our victims

48:11

alive and not give attention

48:14

two suspects and then and

48:16

give more attention to our victims.

48:19

It makes a lot of sense. Thank you. I'm

48:22

sorry, I just have one more question because it

48:24

has been weighing on me. It's very confusing. So

48:26

Ray Kronk suggested

48:30

that they the

48:32

police searched the area,

48:35

the wooded area less than half a mile from

48:37

the Anthony's home, and

48:40

then the bones are found. Right,

48:44

does this at all seems

48:46

suspicious? No, that if

48:49

you know Florida and if you know that area, that

48:51

area is kind of a slope

48:53

off of the road. It's very heavily tread,

48:55

heavily vined. There was poison ivy,

48:58

it floods. We had hurricane

49:00

season, so it would flood and recede.

49:03

It wasn't always easily accessible.

49:06

So to me that you know, it's almost

49:08

one of those areas that you can tell somebody to search

49:10

three times and they probably wouldn't find the same

49:13

thing, you know, three times in a row.

49:15

So it's not

49:17

necessarily suspicious to me. It just

49:19

depends on the observational

49:21

skills of the individual that's sent out there

49:23

to search. Okay,

49:26

And unfortunately we do have to wrap for

49:28

today, But do you have any final

49:31

thoughts that you wanted to share with us well

49:34

the show or yeah, anything.

49:36

Yeah, what I will say is, you know, while the first

49:38

episode focuses on this case, which

49:40

everybody obviously is you know, probably more familiar

49:43

with, the rest of the series goes

49:45

around the United States and we

49:47

look at some other really controversial

49:49

cases that deal with you

49:52

know, shocking cases, shocking

49:55

deaths, shocking injustices,

49:58

some shocking betrayals. And I

50:00

think that I mean,

50:02

as a veteran c S I when

50:04

I reviewed all of these cases, I

50:06

am just absolutely blown away. And

50:09

I know that our viewers are just going

50:11

to be so excited about this,

50:14

about this show. It's totally new.

50:16

I can't wait. I know you're gonna love episode

50:19

one, but they honestly

50:21

get so good throughout the entire

50:24

series. Well, you've got me hooked already.

50:26

I mean everything you said. Wait,

50:29

I was like this the whole time you were talking, like I

50:32

honestly forgot

50:32

her. We

50:34

love your hair. Thank

50:37

you so much for joining us today.

50:40

Thank you for having me. We'll see

50:42

March Finalina, thank you

50:44

all right, thank you so much. That

50:47

was so smart how she

50:50

said about calling it the case about the victims.

50:52

I don't know why that never processed

50:55

for me. I mean I was probably still

50:57

called the Casey Anthony case because I'm an idiot. But

51:01

but it's interesting because that's so true.

51:04

Um, you know, like we call it

51:06

the John benn A Ramsey case. We

51:08

don't. Yeah,

51:11

either way. I loved her. I

51:13

loved how matters of fact she was. I loved

51:15

how she didn't waiver when we would try to act.

51:18

We would come up with our theories like she's like no, she's

51:21

like she's like, I'm following the science pitches and were

51:23

like, could easily be a prosecutor as

51:25

well. She's so smart

51:27

and so cool. I can't wait to watch the

51:30

show me either.

51:33

I know we have a lot going on with you,

51:36

you know, auditioning for the news

51:38

and dming with Chris Womo allegedly,

51:41

but um, do you want to close this out and sing

51:43

the song one final time. Oh thank god

51:45

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52:34

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52:37

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52:39

I was never called that until now, so I didn't

52:41

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52:43

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52:45

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52:55

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52:58

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53:00

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53:02

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53:06

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53:16

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53:19

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53:22

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