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Tech. Welcome

1:01

to an HBO podcast from the HBO

1:03

Late Night series, Real Time with Bill

1:05

Maher. Thank

1:33

you. Thank you,

1:36

people. How you doing?

1:40

Everybody's good? Thank

1:43

you so much. Thank

1:46

you. Wow, OK. Please.

1:49

I appreciate it. Thank

1:52

you very much. We got a lot of questions.

1:56

I appreciate it. Thank

1:59

you very much. My

2:04

proprietary, there's been some and get his home

2:06

months. I mean marsh. Wow, can we like

2:08

a lion? Went out with P. Diddy on

2:10

the lam. All

2:13

this season a lot of trouble.

2:16

Boy that Sex trafficking. Why they

2:18

said they paid paid women for

2:20

sex, had people carry drugs from.

2:23

What? The record industry calls another

2:25

day. And

2:32

studies really five now because all the

2:34

defense lawyers in America are working for

2:36

Trump. My

2:39

for. A

2:44

long. Are you

2:46

on our true social? Was

2:51

one guy? oh every one of

2:53

my geologically mix to put a

2:55

hits. Us from

2:57

a Trump started that you know it's so the

2:59

his true that the twitter ever went public. He.

3:02

Made five billion dollars.

3:06

At idiots. Says

3:09

in his money losing imitation Twitter

3:11

that no one uses. This is

3:13

why Trump is never really going

3:15

to be against abortion. He needs

3:17

a sucker born every minute s.

3:28

At Butler's, it is the race between

3:30

Biden and from now a virtual tie

3:32

that wasn't the case a few weeks

3:34

ago so scared any raises. Is

3:40

it's such a toss up show. Hey attorney says

3:42

interpret it, won't go near it. Must.

3:52

Force is all about getting the money now.

3:54

Biden had a big fundraiser to see that

3:56

the other night in New York Obama was

3:58

there and Bill Clinton. It was the

4:00

Expendables on the Democrats. In

4:09

his at Radio City Biden was very excited.

4:11

He said he's heard very good things about

4:13

Radio. Or

4:23

this America in a nutshell guy. So they

4:25

have this big fundraiser there they have like

4:27

the A list stars of course they x

4:30

presidents, singers, dancers, lives of. They. Raise

4:32

twenty six And they raise twenty

4:34

six Million dollars. Trump.

4:36

Sold Twitter for idiots on the

4:38

stock market and made five billion

4:41

setting. It has. It

4:46

is. The

4:48

only way Trump is raising money, he has

4:50

not making this up sounds like I am.

4:52

He's got his own Bible now. Selling

4:56

his own by the nazis has just

4:58

just their regular bible blaze that you'd

5:00

buy in the airport Now. It's

5:04

a bible. Also has an at the

5:06

Constitution. And the declaration of

5:08

Independence. so his fans

5:10

are gonna love it. It

5:13

has everything they pretend to

5:15

have read in one bus.

5:21

Follow. The bible says Chris Christie selling

5:24

a vegetable slicer for. Mass.

5:34

Much. It's just in time for Easter.

5:36

this is the weekend or came early

5:38

this year. Today's Good Friday. Exposure

5:46

Boot as. As

5:49

Jesus said, good for a who. Sus

5:53

remiss if a judge

5:55

dismissed as a day

5:58

when Romans crucify. Christ

6:00

or as the Trump Bible says there were some

6:02

very fine people on both sides The

6:12

big story this week was the bridge in Baltimore that

6:14

got hit by the boat

6:16

a boat hit bridge I mean it was This

6:19

is America. I just can't I mean

6:22

This is a fairly simple story tragic, you know,

6:25

but what's a big country butter shit going on

6:27

all the time? shit's gonna happen

6:30

boat hit bridge, but The

6:34

internet is just it's all conspiracies. It's

6:36

no this was a cyber attack. It's

6:38

something with the COVID vaccine Really

6:42

I'm not kidding Israel did it the Obama's

6:44

did it Marjorie Taylor Greene asked

6:47

on Twitter. She said is was this

6:49

intentional Who

6:51

was this an accident which is so funny That's

6:54

the same question I have for Marjorie Taylor Greene's

6:56

mother about dropping her on her head And

7:06

finally some back well, it's

7:09

not good for him Sam bank been freed,

7:11

you know the crypto The

7:13

crypto creep they call him. I mean not

7:16

good for you got sentenced for 25 years. That's the

7:18

bad Yeah That

7:22

is the the bad news for

7:24

him the good news he gets to meet Pete Diddy

7:36

Psychologists at NYU Stern School of

7:38

Business and author of the anxious generation

7:40

how the great Rewiring of childhood is

7:42

causing an epidemic of mental illness Jonathan

7:44

Hite I

8:00

the great rewiring, but great rewiring,

8:02

you're talking about children now because of social media

8:05

and the phone and so forth. Those

8:07

are big words, great rewiring. Tell

8:10

the skeptics why that's not hyperbole.

8:13

Because something happened between 2010 and 2015, that's

8:16

when childhood seems to have changed. I got

8:18

a phone then. But in 2010 we all

8:20

had flip phones and what happened after that

8:22

is the

8:27

mental health of people born after 1996 collapses.

8:31

It's not just that they're saying that

8:33

they're anxious and depressed, it's that they

8:35

are cutting themselves and being hospitalized, especially

8:37

pre-teen girls, the rates of self-harm triple.

8:40

It's suicide which is up 50% and all

8:42

of this starts in the early 2010s. And

8:45

my argument is that in 2010, millennials

8:48

had flip phones, they didn't have high-speed data, they used

8:51

their phones to call and text each other to meet

8:53

up at the mall or whatever it was. By

8:55

2015, teens had a smartphone, high-speed

8:59

data, Instagram, they didn't get together

9:01

anymore. They sit on their

9:03

bed, they communicate and that is not good

9:05

enough. You can't grow up that way. They

9:07

don't need reality. That's right, that's

9:10

right. We've made reality obsolete,

9:12

interesting choice. Yeah, I noticed

9:14

you used the phrase phone-based

9:17

childhood versus play-based childhood. Of

9:19

course, we had play-based childhoods.

9:21

I mean that was my

9:24

whole childhood was playing and

9:26

my mother never, I got home from school and

9:28

my mother never once said after I left the

9:30

house, where you going? Kids

9:32

stuff, that's where I'm going. That's right. Beginning

9:38

a few hundred million years ago, whenever mammals

9:40

were created, the thing that mammals do when

9:43

they're little is play. We have these large

9:45

brains that wires up our brains and we

9:47

did that from several hundred million years BC

9:49

until around the 1990s and then we

9:51

kind of stopped. We said if we ever

9:54

let our kids out without watching them, they'll be

9:56

abducted and just as that was happening, just

9:58

as we were pulling them in. Internet

10:00

was coming in and luring them to stay online.

10:02

So there is a back story here. It doesn't

10:04

all begin in 2010. There's a back story.

10:07

But mental health only collapses around 2012,

10:09

2013. You make

10:11

such an interesting point about how parents today,

10:14

it's kind of the worst of both worlds. Too

10:17

much hovering in real

10:19

life where

10:21

there is any left. And

10:24

then none with virtual. Go

10:26

in your room, lock yourself in there with the

10:28

portal of evil that is the phone. Yeah.

10:32

And how did they explain that to you?

10:36

Well, so for one thing,

10:38

we were freaked out by child abduction, all

10:40

sorts of things, and the sexual predators

10:43

in previous decades. But guess what?

10:45

They all moved on to Instagram. That's where

10:47

they're hanging out. Because it makes it very easy for

10:50

them to talk to young women, young men. So

10:53

the real world has actually gotten safer and safer.

10:56

The online world has actually gotten more and

10:58

more dangerous. Most of us who remember the

11:00

90s, the internet was amazing. We

11:03

were all techno-optimists. This is going to help democracy.

11:05

This is going to be the most amazing thing

11:07

ever. And it doesn't really get kind of dark

11:09

and nasty until the 2010s. And

11:12

so that's when we missed the switch. We

11:14

thought, well, OK, my kid is online all

11:16

the time. My kid is texting with other

11:18

kids. Maybe that's as good as playing with

11:21

it, maybe. We didn't know back then. But

11:23

we were wrong. It's not. Well,

11:25

wasn't it moving in that direction anyway?

11:27

I feel like parents, just each generation,

11:30

ceded more control to children.

11:33

I don't know why. Because it's worse for both

11:35

of them. It's worse for

11:37

the parents, who have to be

11:40

their chauffeurs and their beck

11:42

and call and always apologizing to

11:44

their own kids and begging for

11:46

their pussy whipped by their own

11:48

children. I don't understand. I

11:52

don't understand. And it's terrible

11:55

for the kids. Why is

11:57

it your theory why parents kept ceding

11:59

control? And treating children just

12:01

a short. Adults. Mario

12:03

As life gets easier as people get

12:06

wealthier as we move away from from

12:08

the old days, authority tends to decay.

12:10

There tends to be less respect for

12:12

authority, less respect for the always so

12:14

I think something that happens a lot

12:16

with maternity and with progress. But.

12:19

I think it's a mistake and part

12:21

in that kids need structure. They.

12:23

Need Moral rules. This is something I

12:25

learned from a sociologist Durkheim when it

12:27

seems as though anything's permissible. Don't.

12:30

Make people happy, it makes them feel disoriented.

12:32

And last, that's what we see in the

12:34

date. It's really incredible. This is survey questions.

12:36

things like sometimes I feel like my life

12:38

has no purpose or I think I'm no

12:40

good at all. The track out the percentage

12:43

of Americans high school kids who agree with

12:45

that. from the seventies all the way through

12:47

about twenty ten. and was actually

12:49

get know some practical down a little bit

12:51

up to twenty ten and then the all

12:53

skyrocket. Once the kids move

12:55

their social lives away from played adventure

12:57

and errands and people. They. Move

13:00

it on to swiping and lighting. They.

13:02

Feel useless, They feel disconnected, they get

13:04

depressed, they start cutting themselves, and suicide

13:07

goes up again by fifty percent. And

13:09

no boundaries. The try her or A

13:11

or something. It never entered my mind

13:13

when I was a child, when my

13:16

parents piss me off. I'm. Going

13:18

to call the cops? Are you. Was

13:24

not an option that entered my mind. When

13:28

there's another problem because I see in

13:30

the news this week. or the Governor

13:32

of Florida, Rhonda Sense or so of

13:35

course is hated by the left because

13:37

we're such a polarized country. he. Did.

13:39

Something which you are advocating basically

13:41

hundred percent will reap. We banned

13:43

social media for anybody under fourteen.

13:46

That's right. Okay now see what

13:48

the problem in America now is

13:50

because he did it. Get exactly

13:52

that's right. It can't be good

13:54

to said that's true accent I'm

13:57

ever going. We accept. However

14:00

crazy polarized we are, this is the

14:02

one issue on which we're actually not.

14:04

And you see this in Congress. This

14:06

is one of the only issues where

14:08

the press has really come from both

14:10

parties, because almost most people have kids.

14:13

Almost everyone sees this now. So

14:15

I hope we don't mess this up. But for now, this

14:17

is the one area where we're going to put down our

14:19

swords and say, can't we at least get together to give

14:23

our kids back some childhood? You're

14:29

right, and you are wrong. Your

14:33

book makes out an actual prescription for this.

14:35

It's very practical. Give me

14:37

the four things. I know that's one of them, right?

14:39

Yeah. The key,

14:41

though, is to realize the reason

14:43

why we're stuck in this, where parents

14:46

don't like it, teachers hate it, the kids themselves

14:48

don't like it, is what's called a collective action

14:50

problem. Anyone who gets off is

14:52

now alone. It's hard to be the only one

14:54

who doesn't get off social media. The only

14:56

one who doesn't give a phone. So

14:58

my four new norms would solve four

15:00

collective action problems, and then it makes

15:02

it easier for us to escape. And

15:04

they're very simple. One is no smartphone before high school. That's

15:07

what the millennials had, flip phones. They came out fine. You

15:09

may not think so, but the mental health data suggests that

15:12

they came out fine. Why

15:17

me? I don't even understand that joke. I

15:19

don't think that's true. I don't even understand that joke. I know.

15:23

You know,

15:27

I'm not your best tech person.

15:29

I had a phone. I didn't get

15:31

into texting right when it started. I

15:33

had a phone, and when they

15:35

got the one that replaced that, they said, you have

15:38

2800 texts. I said, yeah. Have

15:40

you turned it on? I missed it. I'd

15:43

never turned on that thing. I missed out

15:45

on so many women. Anyway, go

15:49

ahead.

15:54

So no smartphone until high school.

15:57

No social media until 16, which is what the dissenter is.

15:59

this bill does with a card

16:02

for print 16 16

16:04

no no phones in school schools must

16:06

go phone say yes that's

16:14

cool that does love it the kids love it too

16:16

once they detox after a couple of weeks the rain

16:18

recess they actually love it and

16:20

the fourth norm is far more

16:22

independence free play and responsibility in

16:24

the real world because if we're

16:26

gonna if we're gonna reduce screen time we

16:29

have to give them something to do we have to give

16:31

them something constrictive like play with each other always

16:40

our politics I think is what screws

16:43

us so badly because well

16:45

because like super duper

16:47

safetyism became a

16:49

part of the political identity of the left

16:51

we fought with COVID that you

16:54

know and so like anything that's like

16:56

if one person is hurt or dies

16:58

from anything ever we have to stop

17:00

that there's no perspective on yes life

17:02

is a dangerous game and

17:04

some people yes I'm not gonna make it

17:07

to the end but we can't sacrifice everything

17:09

else for that idea and parents sort of

17:11

lost that idea a

17:18

lot of parents are being short term

17:20

safe they say I want to make sure they

17:22

don't do anything that could hurt you but if

17:24

it's like if you protect the kids immune system

17:26

for their whole childhood right you cripple their immune

17:28

system they can suffer from autoimmune diseases if you

17:31

protect your child don't let them take risks kids

17:33

need to take risks they need small risks to

17:35

be able to manage them then they can face

17:37

much bigger risks as adults well

17:40

it's a great day thank you John I'm

17:43

just having this clowning call come

17:45

on come on everybody let's move our

17:47

panel So

18:00

CNN's Fareed Zakaria GPS, an author of

18:02

the new book, Age of Revolutions, Progress

18:04

and Backlash from 1600 to

18:06

the present available in the U.S. and U.K. Fareed

18:09

Zakaria is right over here. And

18:14

he was the 27th Secretary of Defense

18:16

under President Trump, an easy job I

18:18

would imagine. His

18:21

memoir is called A Sacred Oath, Memoirs

18:23

of a Secretary of Defense During Extraordinary

18:25

Times. Dr. Mark Esper. Dr. Mark Esper,

18:27

thank you. Yes, sir. Good

18:29

to have you here. All right, I want to start. You're

18:33

a great column. Every week it's great,

18:35

but today the first thing was about

18:37

Ronna McDaniel. Now, if you don't know

18:39

who that is, she was the head

18:41

of the Republican National Committee, Ronna McDaniel,

18:44

not the clown from McDonald's. Although

18:49

she probably wishes she took that

18:51

job. This

18:54

saga gets to such a fundamental question. That's

18:56

why I loved when you wrote about it.

18:58

I want to bring it up now. Okay,

19:01

so NBC News hires her. Because people

19:04

are always saying to the news organizations,

19:06

you're liberal. Let's hear the other voices.

19:08

And it's not an invalid thing to

19:10

say. So they hire this

19:12

Ronna McDaniel, but she was an election denier

19:14

when she worked for Trump, has since changed

19:16

her tune. Okay,

19:19

this is the problem. How do

19:21

you represent this large part

19:23

of the country that does not

19:25

believe the election was legitimate? How

19:28

do you say to people, okay, we

19:30

want to include you, but

19:32

we can't deny that what you think is stupid?

19:36

Because Trump lost what you think is stupid.

19:39

But we still want to include you. Guys.

19:48

So I

19:50

think as you say, you've got to

19:53

remember about a third of the country

19:55

still believes that the 2020 election was

19:57

incorrectly decided. That's about 85 million adult

19:59

Americans. And to be fair to

20:01

her, she has now said that she thinks

20:04

Biden is the legitimate president. So really the

20:06

question is how much do you punish her

20:08

for her past lies? And I think

20:10

the point here is liberals

20:12

are meant to believe in free speech. That

20:15

is one of the foundational values of liberalism.

20:18

And if you're going to say you're going

20:20

to deplatform 85 million Americans,

20:22

that's a lot of people. They say, no,

20:24

it's not about that it's that she lied.

20:26

Well, you know, Bill Clinton lied. Under oath.

20:29

I think last time I checked, he's been on MSNBC. They say,

20:31

well, she's an election. They say, well, she's an election denier. Well,

20:39

Stacey Abrams was an election denier

20:42

about her own election, and they've had her on.

20:45

The larger point is, you know, the

20:47

book I've written is really about this

20:49

four centuries of progress and backlash. And

20:51

what you find is liberals often trigger

20:53

backlash when they use illiberal means to

20:55

get to their ends. And they're like,

20:57

we're going to do what it takes.

21:00

And the truth is, and I

21:02

mean liberalism in a broad sense, liberal

21:05

democracy, freedom of speech, constitutional. These

21:07

are precious inheritances that we have.

21:10

The way you're going to defend it, the way you're

21:12

going to move it forward is by

21:14

not cheating, not cutting corners, not having

21:17

double standards. Because if we have them,

21:20

then what Trump says is, well, you know, you cut

21:22

corners, I cut corners. You have double

21:24

standards. You've got to be real. I mean, look at what

21:26

happened with this. I'm nodding. You agree

21:28

with all that. Yeah, look, I think he makes great

21:30

points. It was a fantastic piece. I mean, both sides

21:33

have to be able to invite other persons from the

21:35

other side into their fora

21:37

to speak, whether it's the media or

21:40

whether it's college campuses. Right? Just

21:42

because you don't want to hear what a conservative has

21:44

to say doesn't mean that he or she should be

21:46

excluded from speaking at this, or wherever the case may

21:48

be. Which I absolutely

21:50

was. Literally was. So

21:53

I just invited to speak at Berkeley.

21:55

And then re-invited. Those college presidents fell

21:57

into the same double standard. said,

22:00

wait a minute, you're saying it's OK

22:02

to say nasty things about Jews. But

22:06

when people said nasty things about African

22:08

Americans, you said, oh, no, that's hate

22:10

speech. You know, you can't have these

22:12

double standards. If you're going to apply a standard,

22:14

just apply it consistently. A couple

22:22

of things here. I don't think I mentioned

22:24

the fact that she was hired by NBC

22:26

and then their own on-air people, Rachel

22:29

Maddow, Chuck Todd, objected. And

22:32

she was then fired after

22:34

one day. Also,

22:36

when you say a third of the country, it's

22:39

a third of the country who thinks the election

22:41

was stolen. But it's another something like 14 percent,

22:43

because it's almost half, that either thinks the election

22:46

was stolen or doesn't care, because

22:48

they're still going to vote for Trump. So it is

22:50

almost half the country. For that reason, I'm

22:52

with you. But I don't. It's

22:55

a tough line. You put on the idea that a lie is

22:57

a lie. Bill Clinton's lies, Obama's

22:59

lies, whoever's lies are different than the

23:01

election doesn't count when our guy doesn't

23:03

win. That is a separate thing. I

23:05

totally get that point of view. I

23:07

agree. But my point is that you

23:09

have to recognize that at the end

23:11

of the day, if you're in favor

23:13

of free speech, look, you say this

23:15

is these alliers, they're against the American

23:17

system. We've had communists run for

23:19

the presidency of the United States. When I

23:21

was in college, I invited Gus Hall, who

23:23

was the Communist Party candidate. He believed in

23:25

the violent overthrow of the United States. Fine.

23:27

In a liberal democracy, you get to say

23:30

your piece, and we get to debate. By

23:32

the way, it would be good TV to

23:34

have Rachel Maddow ask her some of the

23:36

questions you're asking. I'm not sure he was

23:38

for the violent overthrow of the United States.

23:40

He wanted for the overthrow. He wanted communism,

23:42

which is a form of government. Which

23:44

is not liberal democracy. No, it is not. But it

23:46

would be. But it's you'd have to overthrow

23:48

the government to get to it. I

23:50

mean, no, you can elect a communist government.

23:52

Italy did it all the time. Gus

23:57

Hall was a little more hardline than the Italian

23:59

communists who were Basically, communist of

24:01

Maine. I think the other part of this NBC drama,

24:03

though, from the reporting was not just what she hired

24:05

by NBC, but then was enticed by

24:07

the head of MSNBC to also appear on

24:09

their shows, which she apparently did so reluctantly.

24:12

And then all this drama breaks out.

24:14

And it begs the question, who's running

24:16

the place, right? Is it the on-air

24:19

hosts, or is it the corporate leadership?

24:21

Right. I don't know.

24:23

Well, the other point you kind of raise, and you do it in

24:25

your book as well, is that liberalism

24:28

around the world, not just here, is promoting

24:31

a backlash. I mean,

24:33

I'm reluctant to use this

24:36

word woke because some people hear it, and

24:38

they're very triggered by it, because they remember

24:40

what it used to mean, which was good

24:42

at first, alert to injustice. We're all for

24:44

that. I would say it migrated to someplace

24:46

weird. And there's a lot of

24:49

crazy shit. And that's what you and I, I think, are the

24:51

same thing. This could lose Biden

24:53

the election because the woke agenda. What

24:57

are the things you're talking about? Now, I know in your column

24:59

today you mentioned, for

25:01

example, race, getting

25:03

to racial equality by means of

25:05

quota or decree, something that

25:07

is woke and doesn't strike a lot of people as

25:10

the way to go. But what are the other things

25:12

you're talking about that are the woke agenda when people

25:14

hear that word? Well, people, I think when you, and

25:16

if you look through history, what I try to do

25:18

in the book is point out that when

25:21

liberals go overboard with this kind of

25:23

puritanical zeal and say, you know, everything

25:26

is going to be fixed. All these

25:28

abstract ideas are going to be

25:30

fixed right away. It produces a

25:32

backlash. So, you know, I mean, you can

25:34

see it actually very vividly in the French

25:36

Revolution. I don't want to go

25:38

that far back. But you look at something

25:41

like even art and education. It's all gotten

25:43

so politicized. You know, whether

25:45

or not when you have a

25:47

play on, the first thing people now start asking is

25:49

or a movie, how

25:51

many people of what color are in this movie?

25:54

How many people? You know, can

25:56

you can we just do a hamlet that is supposed to

25:58

be a great hamlet without having

26:01

to think about it. And again,

26:04

I think it's important to... To emphasize the

26:06

point you're making, it comes from a good

26:08

place. There was too much exclusion in the

26:10

past. But the way you

26:12

get past it is not, again, by

26:14

using illiberal means. This is a great

26:17

point of Martin Luther King's famous phrase.

26:19

He wanted his kids to be judged

26:21

on the basis of not the color

26:23

of their skin, but the content of

26:25

their character. One

26:30

of the

26:32

things you hear coming out of the movement now is that

26:35

we should not use the word. We should not say we're

26:37

colorblind, that I don't see color, right? Exactly.

26:39

This is exactly the difference between

26:42

liberalism, which I defend, old school liberalism, what

26:44

you just said, Martin Luther King, and wokeism,

26:46

which why I'm always making this point is

26:48

something different. That is not what the woke

26:50

people believe. Which I think is... They

26:53

say we should see color first and foremost

26:55

always. I think it's

26:57

fundamentally in liberalism, because liberalism

27:00

is about seeing human beings

27:02

as individuals, not as

27:04

members of groups. When you look

27:06

at the issues affecting President Biden's

27:09

reelection right now, we could talk immigration and the

27:11

border of the economy. I think it is this

27:13

too, that you just can't put your hands on,

27:15

and that is pronouns, right? You get

27:19

corrected if you use the wrong pronoun. You

27:23

can't say they're homeless people anymore, they're

27:25

unhoused. President Biden had

27:27

to walk... No, they're people experiencing

27:29

homelessness. President Biden had

27:38

to walk back his comments from

27:41

the stadium speech when he said illegals. I

27:43

know. He had to go on and say,

27:45

oh, I'm sorry, they're undocumented persons. This is

27:47

a big issue in your area. The military,

27:49

ICU, conservatives are always trying to make this

27:51

an issue. Let me ask you, you would

27:53

know better than anybody, is this valid? I

27:55

don't know what... First of all, what are

27:57

the specifics that they're telling when they say...

28:00

awoke military is threatening our readiness.

28:02

What are they talking about specifically?

28:04

What kind of things and is

28:06

there any credibility to that? Second

28:09

question first. Let me say it's not as

28:11

bad as the right would say, but it's worse

28:13

than what the left would acknowledge. And what does

28:15

it look like? That's everything in America. You're right.

28:25

This administration set up a DEI

28:27

office that would dictate DOD

28:30

policies for education. There are

28:32

classes on what to say and what not to

28:34

say. For example, you shouldn't say, hey, guys, you

28:36

should say, hey, everyone. In the military? In the

28:38

military. You shouldn't say, mom and

28:40

dad, you should say parents and guardians, right?

28:43

The colorblind argument. There's the issue of drag

28:45

queen story hours on post. Now,

28:48

look, I don't think this is driven from

28:50

the leadership at the Pentagon. I think it's

28:52

coming from the White House and from people

28:54

within the administration who come in and believe

28:56

that they're pushing their agenda forward. And, look,

28:58

you ask, what's the problem? The problem is

29:00

it takes time

29:02

and resources away from the troops that they

29:04

should otherwise be training and preparing for war.

29:06

And it further divides us. It further starts

29:08

putting people in the buckets, whether you're based

29:10

on your ethnicity, your gender, your sex, the

29:12

color of your skin. And my view is,

29:14

I'm sorry, you're in the military. If you're

29:16

in the army, you're all green, right?

29:19

If you're in the Air Force, you're all

29:21

blue. We have a common mission, a common

29:23

purpose. Let's stop subdividing and identifying people along

29:26

those lines because it creates friction that undermines

29:28

morale and revenue. Here's

29:38

why I think it's a

29:40

real problem for Biden, because the

29:42

Biden strategy seems to be we'll

29:45

give in to the left on

29:47

these issues, and then we'll

29:49

just improve the economy, and we'll run on the

29:51

economy, and the economy is doing great. And he's

29:53

right. The economy is doing superbly. But

29:56

we are in a new battleground of

29:58

politics. part the whole

30:00

point of my book. Because you look at

30:02

Biden, his approval ratings are 38% respect

30:05

the fact that the U.S.

30:07

economy is doing fantastically 50-year

30:09

lows in unemployment. Our

30:12

economy is double the size of the Eurozone now. It

30:14

was the same size in 2008. But look at

30:18

Europe. Those leaders are doing

30:20

badly. People say, oh, we have

30:22

all this right-wing populism because we

30:24

hollowed out our manufacturing workforce. Well,

30:26

France and Germany didn't. They're

30:29

facing huge right-wing populism problems. They

30:31

say it's all because of economic

30:33

inequality. Well, the Scandinavian

30:35

countries don't have as much

30:37

inequality as we have by any stretch. And

30:39

Sweden has an actual fascist party as its

30:42

second largest party. The new politics

30:44

is all about these cultural issues. And

30:46

I fear that Biden, instead of dealing

30:48

with it, immigration, he

30:51

needs to do what Bill Clinton did with that

30:53

sister-so-jose speech and say, because

30:55

he's not, in fact, it will be truthful.

30:57

Biden is not where this,

30:59

you know, woke left-wing progressive

31:02

groups are. But

31:05

I think he's worried about saying it. And

31:07

so instead he thinks, you know,

31:09

we'll just make the economy better. I think he just

31:11

doesn't want to fight with that party. I don't think

31:13

he even understands it. That's the

31:16

tack, I think. Trans, what are you talking about? What

31:18

are you talking about? What are you talking about? My

31:20

disappointment. He just doesn't want

31:22

to fight with that. By the way, he'd

31:24

do well if he were to say just

31:26

that. All right. That's

31:29

my disappointment. He came in and he could have unified

31:31

the country. He could have reached out and he didn't.

31:33

And instead, I thought he catered more to the far

31:35

left, the progressive left, instead of being more the

31:37

moderate Joe that, you know, when I worked with

31:39

him in the Senate is the guy we actually

31:41

knew. And I haven't seen that in three years.

31:43

I'm changing subjects for a second. I think everybody

31:46

here knows I'm all about TikTok. I am

31:49

all in inventing

31:54

dance phrases, eating

31:56

the Tide Pods. So I was extracted. I'm

32:00

actually excited when I saw a new trend

32:02

called reaction videos. These

32:09

are videos of people who you

32:11

take someone who would be the

32:13

least likely to have knowledge

32:15

of a certain thing and then you show

32:17

them it and it blows their mind. It's

32:19

all about blowing people's minds. So here are

32:22

some real ones. I think these are on

32:24

YouTube but TikTok has the same. You show

32:26

the kids the Eagles singing Hotel California, it

32:28

blows their mind. They just can't believe that

32:30

somebody made a good record in 1975. British

32:35

high schoolers try Wendy's for the first

32:38

time, blew their mind. Foreign

32:42

girls react to John Wick. These are all real

32:44

and it blows their mind. So

32:47

that's all of them. We have no more. Oh

32:49

no, okay. We have that. Would you like

32:51

to see some other ones that we can... Okay, this

32:54

is some other reaction videos that we can find.

32:58

Girls try Tabasco for the first time. Kanye

33:03

reacts to the marvelous Mrs. Maisel. Rednecks

33:09

listen to Beyonce's other song. Gen

33:18

Z'ers see pubic hair for the first time.

33:28

Whole trip to farm reacts to horse

33:30

penis. Actual

33:37

Italians react to Sebastian Maniscalco.

33:46

Pope Francis reacts to euphoria. Of

33:54

course, Nick Cannon opens

33:56

a condom for the first time. Oh,

34:07

good. I got the sex graph laughing. I

34:10

want to ask you about

34:12

Donald Trump. You've heard of

34:14

him. You worked for him.

34:16

I'm surprised you're asking. Yeah. Well,

34:20

I think a lot of people think a second term would

34:22

be more of the same. I hear

34:25

a lot of people say, well, he didn't blow

34:27

up the world the first time. No, really. And

34:30

he didn't, you know? He didn't crash the

34:32

economy. I think it would

34:34

be very different. And I'm guessing

34:36

from the guy who knows firsthand

34:38

when he said he wanted to shoot

34:40

missiles into Mexico. OK.

34:43

Wanted to seize ballot boxes

34:45

after the election. Shoot protesters

34:47

was suggested. New hurricanes.

34:53

And I just want to say the first

34:55

time he was elected, OK, he had to

34:57

surround himself with some like normal people. What

35:00

I would consider normal Republicans. Yourself, General

35:04

Milley, McMaster, John Kelly,

35:07

Mattis, John Bolton's a little nutty, but

35:09

I still think

35:11

he's a normal. OK. I

35:14

don't think that's going to happen the second

35:16

time. I think it's Mike Flynn. And I

35:18

think Mike Flynn, General Mike Flynn, that

35:20

is not a difference of type. That is a

35:22

difference of kind. That is not a difference of

35:24

degree. Now we're into

35:27

this true authoritarian realm. Do

35:29

you agree with that? Yes.

35:31

Here's the headline. The

35:33

first year of a second Trump term

35:36

will look like the last year of the first Trump

35:38

term. In other words, with all

35:40

the craziness. With the fresh troops in, remember he

35:42

brought in all the fresh people in

35:45

March of 2020. And those are

35:48

the folks that carried that last year that eventually

35:50

led us through the election and into the two

35:52

and a half months of election denialism. And so,

35:54

yeah, look, I think it's going to be very

35:56

rough. And the number one attribute that he will

35:58

seek from anybody coming into the administration. administration

36:00

will be loyalty, not to the Constitution,

36:03

but to him. That's the

36:05

thing. And part of this thing is not just the

36:07

Senate confirmed people and other political appointees,

36:09

but as you know, one

36:12

of the factors, one of the pillars of this

36:14

kind of retribution pitch

36:17

when he comes in will be the so-called

36:19

Schedule F, I'm sorry, where he'll try to

36:21

get rid of all the government employees, the

36:23

civil service employees, and put in more of

36:25

his loyalists. So, look, I think there's a

36:27

lot to be concerned about. I've said I

36:29

believe he's a threat to democracy, and we

36:31

should be very mindful of that. So you'll

36:33

vote for Biden? Well,

36:37

you know, with every... Ba-ba-ba-ba. I'm

36:45

not there yet. I'm definitely not voting for Trump, but

36:47

I'm not there yet. See, I just still have to

36:49

explain to me, sir. I really respect

36:52

you so much. Thank you for your

36:54

service. I mean that so sincerely. But

36:56

I just don't understand smart people who

36:58

don't get binary. Binary.

37:01

Look, you also have the option of not voting. How can you not

37:03

be there after what you just said? There's

37:06

no way I will vote for Trump. But every

37:08

day that Trump does something crazy, the

37:11

door to voting for Biden opens a

37:13

little bit more. And I think... I

37:15

think... That's a

37:18

slow-opening door. I

37:21

think the Biden campaign should do an ad that

37:23

says, when Donald Trump was president,

37:25

he surrounded himself with the people he

37:27

thought were the wisest, smartest people in

37:29

America who could help him do his job. All

37:32

these people, his vice president, his

37:34

secretary of state, his secretary of defense,

37:37

his national security adviser, his chief of

37:39

staff, think he is a dangerous menace

37:41

to American democracy and to the world. Maybe

37:44

they know something. Listen. Nothing

37:48

was any better. But

37:51

I think that to your point, what I would say

37:53

to you, Marcus, and

37:55

you behaved admirably in that crisis

37:57

for a period, But

38:00

just stepping back and remembering, this

38:02

is the first president in

38:04

American history to try to prevent

38:06

the peaceful transfer of power. And

38:09

not only that, forget about inciting the mob

38:11

outside on January 6th, what he

38:13

did inside that building, which was worse,

38:15

he pressured a majority

38:17

of House Republicans to vote

38:19

to decertify an election that

38:22

had been certified by 50 states and upheld

38:24

by 60 court cases.

38:27

This is the guy we're talking about. Nobody

38:29

hearing this who doesn't already believe this is

38:32

convinced. Not one person hearing that. I've been

38:34

speaking out for two years now as Bill

38:36

Barr, John Bolton and others, and it just

38:38

doesn't resonate. It doesn't. A cult is a cult.

38:41

Whether it's a religious cult, whether

38:44

it's Trump, whether it's people who

38:46

say, whoever Taylor Swift tells me to vote for,

38:48

I'll vote for. No,

38:51

and you can see how it's a culture cult.

38:53

You can see how it's a kind of family

38:55

cult by this. The last Republican convention, there

38:58

was no party platform. First time in

39:00

Republican Party history. The platform was one

39:02

paragraph that said, whatever Donald Trump says

39:04

is the platform, is the platform. And

39:07

then there was not a single living

39:10

presidential nominee or past president,

39:13

even invited to the Republican convention. But there were

39:15

five members of the Trump family given prime time

39:17

speaking slots. It's a family cult. It's not a

39:19

party. This is why there's a lot of truth

39:22

in what Liz Cheney says, which is kind of

39:24

where I'm moving to is, you know, she

39:26

and I both have a lot of differences with Biden

39:28

when it comes to policy. But her view

39:30

is, and I agree is, we

39:33

can survive four years of bad policy.

39:35

We can't survive four years of Trump

39:37

eroding our democracy and the norms and

39:39

institutions and everything else. Well,

39:47

if you feel as strongly about this, it

39:49

seems to me Bill is right. If

39:52

the stakes are that high, you've got to vote

39:55

for the guy who's going to beat Trump. We've

39:57

got eight months. He

40:01

says he's not going to love us. He's going to

40:03

need someone to help you move. Biden

40:06

is old, but I think we can, I

40:08

will guarantee you he was not going to

40:10

try to prevent the peaceful transfer of power.

40:12

I agree. That's right. So, all right. So

40:15

what if Trump loses in November? What does

40:17

Maganation do? Well, I'm

40:19

so curious about this. Do they say, well,

40:21

he's lost four elections in a row. We

40:24

leave him. Or do they

40:26

say, no, we just ride with this guy

40:28

who is going to live to be a thousand. I

40:30

mean, he's a... Well,

40:33

that's my second concern. My first concern

40:35

is he loses and he comes

40:37

out and says it was rigged and then you have violence

40:39

in the streets. Well, he's definitely going to say that. There's

40:41

no if. That's the first thing we

40:43

need to worry about. But then you're right. What

40:45

happens to Maganation, Maga World After? Does he fight

40:47

again in 2026 for the midterms? Or

40:51

do they go, is there a Maga

40:54

without Trump with a Trump successor? I

40:56

don't think so. They've tried to do that

40:58

before. But he's also tapping into a movement, Bill, that

41:00

I think transcends him in some ways. It gets to

41:03

what you, I think, argue about in your book. And

41:06

that is this backlash against what people feel

41:08

is an affront to their thinking or the

41:10

way things used to be. And

41:13

we need a leader that will come in and address it. And it's

41:15

not going to be this generation of leaders. We

41:17

need a new generation of leaders at

41:19

the top and everywhere in between. And we don't have that right now.

41:29

He has a remarkable way of tapping into

41:31

this backlash in a way that almost nobody

41:33

does. So even, you know, the Bible thing

41:35

is, of course, I mean, it's absurd. It's

41:37

like Trump as televangelist. I

41:40

want to get my copy annotated with the

41:42

Ten Commandments where he explains how he violated

41:44

each one of them. But

41:49

what he's picking up on is he's picking

41:51

up on the fact that there is a

41:54

great fear about the decline of religiosity in

41:56

America. You know, there's a great book by

41:58

this guy, Ronald Inglehart. who great social

42:00

scientists who find points out for a long

42:02

time in the Western world you do not

42:05

have much of a decline of religion and

42:07

from 2007 you're seeing

42:09

a very rapid decline and the country

42:11

leading it is the United

42:14

States you're the sharpest drop in

42:16

religiosity in the US. You're welcome.

42:18

Exactly. And I

42:21

think that's more than that though.

42:23

I think you're getting a lot

42:25

of people very anxious. It's not

42:27

just religious. It's values and norms.

42:30

And that's why when you look at

42:32

Biden's disapproval rating it's 54% disapproval.

42:35

That's the lowest of anybody I think

42:37

since they started counting numbers. They're saying

42:39

nobody ever won with that. But compared

42:42

to this New York Times had

42:44

this very smart article, disapproval ratings

42:46

of other democracies is to your

42:49

point about liberalism. Liberalism is not

42:51

popular. Germany this

42:53

is disapproval rating of the leaders 73%. 19 points

42:55

worse than Biden. France

43:00

71. South Korea 70. Japan 70.

43:02

The UK 66. Justin

43:05

Trudeau and Canada's at 59% disapproval.

43:07

Now we don't know what the disapproval ratings

43:10

of Putin or Xi are because you'd fall

43:12

out of window. Okay

43:17

but it almost doesn't matter

43:20

because the point is liberalism itself

43:23

is not popular around the world. Look

43:25

we've gone through 30 years of so

43:27

much change. Think about the economy,

43:30

the massive globalization of the economy. You

43:32

think about the information revolution. We created

43:34

a whole new economy in bits and

43:36

bytes. You think about

43:38

the cultural changes that have taken place. Think

43:41

about the role of women, the transformation of

43:44

all of that It's

43:46

a lot for people to digest and

43:48

you know immigration becomes the focal point

43:50

because you can't, global capital flows

43:53

are an abstraction even you know globalized but

43:55

this is something you can see and there

43:57

is real data to it you know it's

44:00

In 1975, roughly speaking, 5% of

44:03

Americans were foreign born. Now it's about

44:05

15%. In Sweden, it's

44:07

about 20%. So people

44:09

are looking at this and saying, this is

44:11

a lot of change. And they have no

44:13

perspective. I got to say, Biden was interrupted

44:15

at his big fundraiser the night, six times

44:18

by kids shouting about Gaza, genocide, Joe. In

44:20

the paper today, the Taliban announced, announced, like

44:23

it's a press release, they're going to stone

44:25

women again. Yeah, saw that. In

44:27

Gambia, they're going

44:29

back to genital, female genital mutilation.

44:33

Have a little perspective, kids. I

44:35

know you don't know anything. Maybe learn something

44:38

before you start opining. Anyway,

44:40

can't do it again. No!

44:43

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44:52

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45:27

stuff at Target,

45:29

but does it

45:32

have tactical in the

45:34

name? No

45:36

fucking way. No,

45:43

since every type of adversity has its

45:46

own support group now, I want to

45:48

raise awareness about a group of people

45:50

who for too long have flown under

45:52

the radar. Really tall people

45:54

who aren't in the NBA. Did

46:06

you know that one in six Americans over

46:08

seven feet tall is in the NBA? But

46:11

what about the other five? For

46:14

them it's a lifetime of, wow, you must

46:17

be a professional basketball player. But

46:20

they're not a professional basketball player. They're

46:23

just tall. They're

46:25

the really tall people who aren't in the

46:27

NBA and they deserve to be

46:29

seen. Kelsey

46:39

has to go into acting. Just

46:41

look at this photo of Travis with, I don't know,

46:43

some girl. With

46:46

only the back of his head he's able to

46:49

convey a range of emotions, weariness, resentment,

46:53

regret. It's remarkable. Yes Travis, when you're

46:56

done with football Hollywood will be calling

47:00

if she lets you have a phone. Girl,

47:09

someone has to explain to the

47:11

75-year-old Pennsylvania man charged with trying

47:13

to arrange a threesome with two

47:15

underage girls that it's okay if

47:18

you don't check everything on your

47:20

bucket list. Some

47:25

dreams are meant to just stay that way. Dreams.

47:28

I wanted to play the lead in Brian

47:30

De Palma's body double but I didn't. Unless

47:34

I did. I don't know, it was the

47:36

80s. There was a lot of drugs. Girl,

47:45

someone has to break it to Eric Trump

47:47

that contrary to what he's claiming his father

47:49

didn't actually build the skyline of New York.

47:53

You see Eric, daddy likes to brag

47:55

but here are

47:57

all the buildings in New York and here are the ones.

48:00

that daddy had something to do with. He

48:11

also doesn't regularly beat professionals at golf,

48:13

and he also wasn't going to be

48:15

a professional baseball player. But,

48:26

Eric, I will say this about your dad. He

48:28

can jerk off two guys at once. I'm

48:42

going to show it every week until

48:44

the election. And

48:47

finally, new rule. Now that both Biden and Trump

48:49

are asking voters the age-old question, are

48:51

you better off than you were four years ago?

48:54

Someone must tell them that everyone's answer is, you're

48:57

fucking kidding, right? Four

49:00

years ago? Yeah,

49:06

I remember March 2020. I

49:09

was bordering for toilet paper and eating all

49:11

the food out of my earthquake kit. Yes,

49:15

what a great time that was when

49:17

COVID hit and America wet itself, emptied

49:19

its pockets, and curled up in a

49:21

ball. Let

49:24

me say, I get no pleasure having

49:26

to characterize my country as panicky, inefficient,

49:28

and stuck on stupid. But that's

49:30

what we are. And nothing

49:33

proved it more than the flight from hell

49:35

four years ago. If you

49:37

don't recall the saga of the Costa Luminosa,

49:40

here's what happened. After COVID had already

49:42

begun spreading worldwide, a lot of passengers

49:45

on a cruise ship out of Fort

49:47

Lauderdale started getting sick. So nothing

49:49

out of the ordinary so far. the

50:00

ship full of portly retirees wearing

50:05

Tommy Bahama shirts got

50:08

halfway across the Atlantic.

50:11

The coughing got so

50:13

loud it was drowning

50:15

out the Jimmy Buffett

50:18

cover band. So it

50:21

was decided to dock in Marseille where

50:23

the passengers were first crowded onto locked

50:25

buses for five hours and then put

50:27

on a nine-hour flight to Atlanta where

50:30

so many of the feverist passengers were collapsing

50:32

the flight crew had to lay them out

50:34

in the aisles which really put a crimp

50:37

in the beverage service. Then

50:47

just in case by some miracle someone

50:49

on the plane still didn't have it

50:52

when the COVID Express landed

50:54

the pilot announced that despite

50:56

multiple distress calls to Atlanta

50:59

the headquarters of the CDC

51:01

mind you well apparently nobody

51:04

knew we were coming so

51:08

everybody sat locked on the plane sitting

51:10

on the runway for another three hours man

51:12

where's Boeing when you need a door to

51:14

fall on. Well

51:26

finally the CDC arrived and

51:28

of course immediately quarantined everyone

51:30

and gave them prompt medical

51:32

attention. I'm kidding. What

51:37

they did was make them fill out

51:39

a questionnaire give no one a COVID

51:41

test drop them off a baggage claim

51:43

let them go to the food court in

51:46

the busiest airport in the world and then

51:48

sent them on to their connecting flights to

51:50

17 states in Canada which

51:52

to me is just inconceivable. They

51:55

made their connection in Atlanta. Honestly,

52:04

if some foreign enemy had intended to

52:07

ensure COVID spread through the United States,

52:09

they couldn't have done a better job.

52:11

The fire festival guys could have handled

52:14

this better. I

52:22

get it that we didn't know exactly what

52:24

was happening at the beginning of COVID and

52:26

some mistakes were inevitable. But

52:28

four years on, I'm tired of hearing,

52:30

well, we didn't know. No, we didn't.

52:33

But some people guessed better than others.

52:36

And the people who got it wrong don't seem to

52:38

want to acknowledge that now. Some people

52:40

said closing schools for so long was

52:42

pointless and would cause much worse collateral

52:44

damage to kids and they were right.

52:48

Thank you. Don't

52:52

be afraid. Four

52:56

years ago, the Daily Beast ran

52:58

a story with the headline, Bill

53:00

Maher pushes Steve Bannon, Wuhan lab

53:02

conspiracy theory, which was typical

53:04

of the mainstream media at the time. Of

53:07

course, it wasn't a conspiracy theory and

53:09

it wasn't owned by Steve Bannon. And

53:11

now everyone, including the Biden administration, admits

53:13

as at least a 50-50 chance that

53:15

the virus could

53:17

have begun in the lab in Wuhan

53:20

that was doing gain of function research

53:22

on that virus. Duh. But

53:31

I don't see a lot of retractions being printed.

53:34

Yeah, when COVID hit, we did a lot of stupid things

53:37

because America never reacts. It

53:39

only overreacts. Ubers

53:42

look like those Orthodox Jews who wrap

53:44

themselves in a red

53:46

rock in case their plane flies over a

53:48

grave. We

53:51

washed the mail. baseball

54:00

in front of cardboard cutouts

54:11

and ate in parking lots or

54:15

with inflatable dolls? They

54:20

closed the ocean. We

54:23

banged pots and pans to show our love

54:25

for nurses and our hatred for people trying

54:27

to get a baby to sleep. We

54:37

had to get nostril fucked every time we

54:39

left the house.

54:46

Serious people talked about having sex

54:48

through glory holes and if you

54:51

don't know what a glory hole is, I wouldn't look

54:53

into it. We

55:02

will call to wash our hands every five minutes

55:04

and don't ever touch your face and if you

55:06

absolutely must go to the beach for the sake

55:09

of all that's holy wear a mask. Outside

55:15

because the last thing you would want to

55:17

do when a disease is afoot is get

55:19

fresh air and sunshine and vitamin D. No

55:22

much better to stay locked up, stressed out

55:24

and day drinking. And

55:33

if you do get COVID remember natural

55:35

immunity is always the worst kind. Even

55:40

if you've had the disease you need

55:42

a shot. Yes some very bad ideas

55:44

were embraced as the conventional wisdom. Powers

55:47

that haven't aged well and a lot

55:49

of the dissenting opinions that were suppressed

55:51

and ridiculed at the time have

55:54

proven to be correct. Maybe that's why

55:56

the powers that be never wanted a

55:58

COVID commission. Why not? The

56:01

Warren Commission, the AIDS Commission, the

56:03

9-11 Commission. The NFL

56:05

even had a, is ramming your head

56:07

into another guy's head, bad for head.

56:18

So where's the COVID Commission? Because it seems

56:20

to me we haven't learned a thing. Maybe

56:23

the number one lesson from the pandemic

56:25

was the need for proper air ventilation.

56:29

The second was never go on a Zoom with Jeffrey

56:31

Toobin. Big

56:40

national movement to retrofit buildings, I

56:42

missed it. Gain of function

56:45

research is still going on in labs. We're

56:47

still torturing animals by raising our

56:50

food and conditions ideal for viruses to

56:52

make the leap to humans. Bird

56:55

flu was just found in a goat, which

56:57

means we're just one lonely farmer from the next

56:59

pandemic. He

57:12

handed out $4 trillion of free money,

57:14

$280 billion of which

57:16

was just flat out stolen in what the

57:18

AP called the greatest grift in U.S. history

57:22

and which started an inflationary spiral

57:24

that we now blame on Biden. So

57:27

we're going to bring back Trump, the

57:29

guy who ignored COVID like it was the dinner check?

57:42

Talk about not learning anything and there

57:44

are no miracles. Happy

57:46

Easter, everybody. We're

57:51

going to bring back Dr. Rachel Crawford, the Arizona

57:53

field in Phoenix, May 4th, College of Albany, May

57:55

19th, and Father London's Arizona for

57:57

you, Jeffrey and Sunday on November 9th.

58:00

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