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Welcome to an HBO podcast from the

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HBO late night series, Real Time with

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Bill Maher. All

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right. He's an entrepreneur and musician, and self-titled

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fellow Michael, who was recently released up for

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three Grammys. Sunday Killer Mike is with us,

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Mike Rinder. And he's the

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Republican governor of New Hampshire,

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Governor Chris Sununu, and

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she's the co-host of the five on Fox

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News, Jessica Tarlow. That's our panel that

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we just had. So

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would you like to comment on my editorial

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that I just did about how there's a

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lot of materialism in music these days, and

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maybe it's not great for the kids? I

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think there's materialism in American society, period.

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We're just musicians and artists a lot of

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times. In terms of when art becomes commerce, it's

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just a reflection of where society is. When you

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were talking about, you know, it used to

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be a lot of bitches and hoes and homophobia in there.

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Bitches, hoes, and homosexuals buy music. And at a certain

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point, the people who make music was like, it's not

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cool to keep saying this shit because they got better

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buying power than just the guys who are mad at

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home. And what you see now

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is the people on top of the charts

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of the Kendrick Lamar's, the Drake's, the J.Coles,

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because society, what is it? Huey

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said, it's not the vanguard that moves, the people's

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not. The leadership is when the people are ready to move. So

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I think that... I

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think when I

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have arguments with Anaya, my

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26-year-old daughter, I know that there's a change coming

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because of the way she views the world. So

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I think musicians and artists for commerce are going

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to adjust. But when it comes to money, we

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have an infatuation with money in this country. You

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know, so much to the point we went and kidnapped a bunch of people

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400 years ago, made a work for free, and

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said, boom, greatest nation in the world. You

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know, right. Happy Black History Month. Happy Black

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History Month. It's like a

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relationship fight. You never let it go. No,

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you can't. You're up. I'll tell you this.

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Speaking of money, you want to let it go, prepare

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a reparations package for this, for Black people in this country.

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For people... I'll

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tell you this, the leader of the Fed said- Did

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I buy dinner last time? Yeah, you did. You

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did. Yeah. And the

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restaurant- That does not count. You did offer-

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you offered to marry my wife if I

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died earlier. Absolutely. But I do

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think this country could benefit from

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a reparations package that included cash,

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that included reversal of redlining by

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helping black people be homeowners, understand

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credit, and understand Americans that

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if the black community has more

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money, this country has more money.

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And we need to stop seeing our fall in a relationship.

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Well, as long as we have a topic

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on the table, what do you think about

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that reparations? Vivek Ramaswami just texted me his

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Taylor Swift playlist. I haven't been paying anything.

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So I'll- Well, you're

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dodging this question? I'll dodge it. In

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terms of what, reparations? Reparations. No. He's

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turning out a check. Someone's got to pay. No, no, I'm not

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for reparations. I'm not for that at all. At

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the end of the day, this country owes $34 trillion. And

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the government doesn't owe that money. You- Don't

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owe that money. Don't be fools. The money's got to

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come from somewhere. Is the difference between collective guilt and

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individualism? Why don't you feel guilty? No, I don't. Yeah,

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and I think- Because I didn't do it. I

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think more black conservatives- Collective. But you benefited from

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it. You benefited from it, and you still benefited

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from it. Yes, that's true, too. So my thing

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is, my thing is just help spread the benefit.

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Okay, but there are reparations that do go on

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in different ways. Yeah, absolutely. And

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I didn't say absolutely. Just give me a few million dollars

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and I'm fine. No, I think that trade and higher level

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education, I do think the cash payout,

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I think that there should be a

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mortgage forgiveness. I think that we should

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have an incentive to incentivize black wealth

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in this country. Robert Smith, black billionaire,

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had an interesting conversation where he wanted

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to tax corporations 2% of

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wealth. Imagine what 2% of multi-billion dollar

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companies does for black society. What

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it does is it creates a place where

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it's not perfect, but Atlanta, black people have

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opportunity. And if you talk to Governor Brian

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Kemp in Georgia, Georgia, we also

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have a Republican governor who I have a relationship with.

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For the last 10 years, we've been number one

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in business. We've created over 60,000 jobs and have

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more jobs. jobs coming, I would

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challenge you to help put together reparations

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package that made the rest of America

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look more like the opportunity. Well, he's

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from New Hampshire. That's not going to

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happen. Well, that is, if

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I may, or no,

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they don't want to get into a reparations discussion. It

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would cost you hundreds of dollars up there. And then

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you got the, well, again, is it, what about the

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Native Americans who are, you know, you got to go

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down the list. And when we're done with the reparations

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package this year, what about- You don't

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hear black people arguing against reparations for anyone. We've never

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been done, but argued against reservations. We've never

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argued against any payouts for people in

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America's wrong. We're simply saying, while we're

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at the table, let's do something to

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aid the people that until 60 years

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ago lived in apartheid. Okay, but like-

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60 years is not very long. Native

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Americans, we gave them

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the casino industry. What about, you know,

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Superman? So black people have the marijuana

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industry. Well, I'm something like that. Look

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at his fucking face. Would you give

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us marijuana? Multi-billion dollar industry is

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so fresh and still growing. Why does the killer Mike have

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a marijuana license in Georgia? I'm out of the business. Would

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you call Brian Kim for me? I'm still buying right now.

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I don't know. I mean, nothing's going to go. I'm buying

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a great friend, but I think it's going to be good.

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If you're going to buy marijuana, which is what you do

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at the Woods, which is the great pot shop here

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in L.A., which I'm a part owner of, with

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Woody Harrelton. Okay. What

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do you think of the news that NASA

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says the moon is shrinking? Fucking

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Biden. Right? Am I right? Right?

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Thank you. Finally. Finally, someone's talking

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to them saying, what's perfectly fine

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under a drum? I

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was excited that I didn't have to do the

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reparations question and then got some good

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questions, which could be more complicated.

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Doesn't that go in your headlines that

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shouldn't exist? Bucket? It really should. I mean,

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but apparently I read this too in USA Today.

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Apparently the moon, because the core is

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cooling or something. It's our fault. What

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does it matter? It

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doesn't. Okay. I know, but it's

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funny because you really could do a whole sketch

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about that because we are so blame happy in this

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country. Somebody has to take, I think the moon's

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on Ozempic and that's the whole thing. What

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do you think about

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conservatives in Texas are

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talking about Texas, well

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this happens like every two years, Texas

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seceding. They love to talk about it. It

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started out as its own country, right? While

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Texas was its own country. We just had a bill in

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New Hampshire. We get it almost every two years. Someone wants

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to- But Nikki Haley, your girl,

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said she doesn't think that's illegal. Come

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on, she doesn't know why the Civil War happened and

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she doesn't get that secession is illegal? Yeah,

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look, I'm not advocating for anyone to see. I don't

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think Nikki's advocating for any of that. No, but she

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said she didn't think it was illegal and it is

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illegal. You can't secede from the union. That's like number

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one. We're the United States. I think everybody

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understands that's what we need

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to be and that's what we need to fight

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for. But Nikki Haley needs a

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bit of a history lesson. I

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mean- Broader

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than the secession issue. Go back to the whole flavor.

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Right. I know. I'm

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saying she seems to have skipped grades. I don't know. Some

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of them. Look, you want to end

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this Trump conversation once and for all?

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And you all get behind Nikki Haley

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because that's how you do it. You

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beat Trump on the ballot box. I

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mean, that's it. Look, politics is not a spectator

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sport, people. You got to get involved. You got

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to vote. You got to participate. They

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could vote for Joe Biden though. That's how they vote. Everybody

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stop yelling. But the moon is shrinking, Bill.

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The moon is shrinking.

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I'm shrinking now. Okay. Jessica,

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how damaging could it be? Potential:

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No Labels Presidential ticket Be for

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Joe Biden to this is an

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official third party Now No Labels.

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Who is this? About

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your is your answer that says the what do you

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make a room is Joe Manchin will be their candidates

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O L. sighting. Of

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I had no labels folks.

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Are. Credit cards and everyone should know

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that are just try not restaurant. Crestor

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Yes. Sincere. I

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think they're sincere. like forty minutes a day.

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And then I think the rats. In

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time. For them look at around are

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there to eighty year old guys I don't

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like either of their i give me more

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money gimme more money right and they don't

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really care what the outcome as and they

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justify it by saying either one gonna suck

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either way when by apparently that top polling

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no Labels ticket is Nikki Haley as President

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and Joe Manchin as Easy I happened to

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thank and to Manson is not my favorite

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democrat though. He. Voted with. That's all

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the time and I'm thankful for having someone

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in West Virginia and I don't think he

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would do something like that because it would

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just destroy an entire legacy that he's had.

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And but they do take. More.

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Support from Trump than they do. From.

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Biden as the same with like Rfk

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Junior. And. If he were able

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to get on more than half a ballot or

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something like. Okay, you on

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most announced his company neural link. Oh

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this is a pretty big story. Successfully

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implanted the first microchip in a human's

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words. Is this a good thing? I

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thought I'd yes I think it is

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because I mean this. This is if

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you haven't read the story. The

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ability to actually do things just by

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thinking about it. For people who don't

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have the use of their lives, And

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this is you know? i

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can stop liking you on this is

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his visa visa is a weird guy

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here It does

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sometimes make it hard to defend them. Absolutely, I

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get that. But this is the promise of a

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guy like this. I mean, who else is doing

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this? I can't even imagine how this is done.

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Like, I couldn't tell you how electricity happens, but

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I probably could find out. And

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this story was competing. How do you

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get it so, like, just by thinking

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about it, you change the channel? Don't.

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But that's

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pretty amazing. And I think it's going to, you know,

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there is lots of people who are going to benefit

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from this. Totally. I'm sure it'll be used

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for evil at some point. But for now,

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it's wonderful to get people that can't. That's like

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all things in marriage. Yeah. Yes. What? You eventually

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use it for evil. That's what. It goes back

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to your money. Or sex. You got to follow

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up. Yes. Sex is usually the first thing they

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go find a way for a guy to jerk

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off. Like, just by.

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OK. A

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recent study found a growing political divide

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between men and women, with younger women

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skewing much more liberal than men. This

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is not new. But I

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think it's just more prevalent. I think the number I

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saw was 30 points. That is huge.

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And that's the abortion issue, right? That's a lot

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of people. As Republicans, we're losing young people. We're

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losing suburban moms. We're losing women. Strictly on the

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abortion issue. That's terrible

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for the party. I think it's abortion.

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It's guns. It's climate change. It's

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social justice. And Trump. And

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a pussy grabber who's like

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to. And now,

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$83 billion. I'm not with Trump.

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I don't know. I know. I know. Yes. I know.

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I know. I know. But what's interesting, what you two

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have in common is that you both can't say, yeah,

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and of course, so I'm voting for Biden. You

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both can't do that. I don't think. I just find

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out that she's cheating. But she

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can't say. She can't say. You can't say. Biden can't

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say. And most white people won't say. I'll sit down

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and talk about black people, about real black issues from

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a place where I know I'm going to leave the

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table. I'm talking about rep for

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fucking racist. I know you are. We don't want

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to talk about that. But. But when you say

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me and him are the same, you know, I'm going

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to say besides that we want to do it. How's

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Biden or Trump being good for my community? And

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I'm not saying everybody. But

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you got to meet me at my table, not just going

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to lunch with a black kid and think everything's okay. At

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least you're engaging with the question now. Yeah.

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Right. I get that. I

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totally get that. Have neighborhoods really changed? I

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mean, I forget who I was. The last three years, worse.

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I mean, it's tougher. Neighborhoods

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and what's going on with crime, with public safety,

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with all this, it's just getting worse and worse

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and worse. And both parties are to

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blame. Let's not make any... Well, that's the

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thing. I mean, if you live in

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a neighborhood and you see administrations

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change and nothing else changes, I

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totally get that. Why

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you would go, what's the difference which white guy

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is president? That doesn't make any difference. And a

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lot of people weren't crazy about

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Obama. Didn't think he was the

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radical change. They

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projected that on him. He would never have

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said he... I think Americans are comfortably... they're

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comfortably uncomfortable. I think that this country

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could be radically better if

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we said we're going to do

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something radical and hold politicians' feet

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to the fire on politics. And

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we're not... we're just simply not

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willing. And at

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some point, we're going to have to

13:17

get off TV arguing for entertainment and we're going

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to have to retreat to our living rooms, after

13:22

church synagogues or mosque functions, and we're going to

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have to have real discussions where we disagree and

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agree and we find out what are the ten

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things that are best on a hyper-local level. What

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could be realer than this discussion? If

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I could... Don't be

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telling people to get off TV. No, I want

13:37

people to watch TV, but I want people to

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get with people who they don't look like. Not

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TV. This TV. Well, this

13:44

TV. I like your show. I don't

13:46

watch most of you guys' shows. Stop. And

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your rappers aren't rapping about it yet. But

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I do want to say that the discussions that

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are had here take to your living rooms

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and get family members you hadn't talked to because they voted

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for the other guy. and have the

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discussion. And I agree with, and on

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a hyper-local level, what's

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more important to Americans should be, who's my

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city council person, who's my mayor, and who's

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my governor. And school board,

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yeah. If you do that, I guarantee you, you'll start

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to create local change that then from the top down,

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they'll say, we need to emulate that. And I'll give

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you a perfect example here.

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A Democratic judge named

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Asha Jackson, Chief Judge Asha Jackson in

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Georgia, creates the Pinnacle Program. That gives

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people an opportunity not to fall prey to

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recidivism and go back to jail. You get one year to clean

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your shit up, then you graduate, you go on, you don't have

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to go to prison. Ms. Ali is

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a woman out of Fulton County Juvenile Court

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that was appointed by a Republican governor to

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emulate that same thing statewide. So two Democratic

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black women do something on a local level,

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that on a state level, a white Republican

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governor recognizes and then empowers to do the

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same thing statewide. That's what we need to

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be seeing hyper-local instead of arguing about the

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soap opera of the president. So, see

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you when you have those two Grammys in your

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hands. Absolutely. Thank you everybody, we got a game.

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