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Welcome back for another episode of Reality Life with Kate

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Casey. Hope that you are having a great week and

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this is going to be an episode for the books.

1:34

Lots of you are going on vacation and you want something

1:36

great to read. If you're going to be on a plane,

1:38

you're going to be at a hotel, maybe you're going to

1:40

be at the beach, and you

1:42

want to sink yourself into a great hotel.

1:47

and I discussed the celebrity memoirs that you

1:49

may have missed but need to read. Sure,

1:52

you're going to go to a bookstore and

1:54

you're going to maybe pick up the book

1:56

that's being highlighted that week or that month.

1:59

Maybe it's the big selection. Liberty my more and it's

2:01

just been published. but. What if there were

2:03

other memoirs that she may have missed out

2:05

on? We. Both love. To

2:08

sink ourselves into. A great story of

2:10

a life well lived as you can imagine. A

2:12

cover unscripted Tv. I like real people. And.

2:14

I like real stories and the ones

2:16

that we suggest today. Are. Such

2:19

great examples of that! My

2:21

guest is Chelsea the volunteers

2:23

and Emmy nominated writer comedian

2:25

Director. She's host of the

2:27

podcast Glamorous Trash. And.

2:29

I've been a guest on that

2:31

show. Recently we covered the John

2:34

Stamos Lamar. And I had the best

2:36

time with her And I'm proud to tell

2:38

you that she's got a new book coming

2:40

out called. I shouldn't be telling you this,

2:43

but I'm going to anyway. She has been

2:45

devouring celebrity. Mum worse for years. Far.

2:48

Before she wrote her own. And

2:50

that's why. She's. The best cast

2:53

for this episode before. Chelsea entered

2:55

into an overall television deal with Twentieth

2:57

Century. Fox. She was on

2:59

Son Stewart's team. She was actually

3:01

the said writer for Apple Tv.

3:03

Pluses the problem with Zone Stewart:

3:06

For. Other Tv products include Not

3:08

Dead Yet, Girls, Five Ever, and

3:10

bless This Mess among. Others. In

3:13

Twenty Twenty, she wrote, directed and

3:15

starred in the Twenty Twenty South

3:17

by Southwest filmed basic and directed

3:20

for feature debut Chelsea's top top

3:22

performing independent podcast, Glamorous Trash with

3:24

Chelsea the Vantis has garnered millions

3:27

of downloads and again for memoir,

3:29

Shouldn't Be Telling You This. But

3:31

I'm going to anyway. Is published

3:33

as of June Two, Twenty Twenty Four

3:36

by Hanover. Imprint of Harper Collins.

3:39

You are going to love this episode and I

3:41

hope that you share it. With. The

3:43

people in your life because this is

3:45

great for discuss in a book. Clubs

3:47

in sex scenes. Facebook, groups,

3:50

emails, This is the

3:52

kind of conversation that I find to be

3:54

most fun. What's. The last book you read.

3:57

one book can you not put down what's

3:59

that last book that you didn't read the

4:02

last 20 pages because you wanted to savor

4:04

it. Again, one for

4:06

the books, share it with your friends. What

4:08

a dynamite guest I have. You're going to love

4:10

her and I want you to order her book

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now. Available for presale, get it

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now. So here's my guest,

4:17

Chelsea Devontas. Chelsea,

4:21

I'm so excited for everyone to read your book, which is

4:23

going to come out soon. However, in the short

4:25

term, a lot of people are

4:27

about to go on breaks. They're going to go

4:29

on spring break. They're going to be in

4:32

hotel rooms. They're going to be on planes and they're

4:34

looking for something great to read. And I feel as

4:36

if there could be no better person to

4:38

bring to them what they need. Welcome back to the

4:40

show. Thank you so much

4:42

for having me. And I'm so thrilled to

4:44

shout into the microphone the books. I

4:47

think you have to be reading specifically

4:49

the celebrity memoirs that are overlooked but

4:53

are so, so good.

4:55

Like these books have been shit on for

4:57

so long. I think they need their

4:59

moment in the sun. The good ones, at least the

5:01

bad ones can stay in the trash. Good. OK. What

5:04

is the first one that you

5:06

believe is an absolute must read?

5:09

OK, well, first off, I just want to I just

5:11

want to say like there are

5:14

incredible celeb memoirs that people have

5:16

heard of. You know, Mariah

5:18

Carey, Jessica Simpson, your Paris Hilton,

5:21

your Jeanette McCurdy. Like these are all great

5:23

books. I'm going to bring you the ones

5:25

that like would not be recommended to you.

5:27

And like a listicle this year. And

5:30

so the first one I want to recommend.

5:33

Is Rosie Prez's memoir. Oh,

5:35

it came out in 2014

5:38

titled Handbook for an Unpredictable Life.

5:40

How I survived Sister Renata and

5:42

my crazy mother and still came

5:45

out smiling with great hair. A long

5:48

title. Right. Wow. This

5:50

book. So. Rosie

5:53

had a life. It's

5:56

just every now and then someone has

5:58

a life that it's unsatisfied. It's unfathomable

6:00

that they are still standing that they

6:02

are coherent in any way and she

6:04

has had one of those lives. That

6:06

is just Unbelievable

6:09

except for when you read it and

6:11

the interesting thing about her book is

6:13

that she gave an interview Recently,

6:16

maybe like last year where someone

6:19

was like Rosie your life is so insane Why

6:21

don't you have a memoir and she said I did

6:23

I just was still so

6:27

Traumatized and had so much unprocessed trauma

6:29

like where she wrote it all down

6:31

But it's not that processed and

6:34

she was like so the so when it started coming

6:36

out I didn't even do press for it.

6:39

I just kind of I she just got to

6:42

It was too hard to face her

6:44

life and yet this like very raw

6:46

wild book exists and Where

6:49

do I begin? So we've got everything from

6:52

a wild shot childhood to Tupac to JLo

6:54

So like where do I start with this

6:56

book? Well, I'd like you to start

6:58

with Tupac given he is in the Discussions

7:02

right now what both Tupac and JLo,

7:04

so let's go with them. Yes, so

7:08

She Rosie Perez was the

7:10

original Choreographer for the

7:12

fly girls on in living

7:14

color. So JLo got famous as a

7:16

fly girl Rosie Perez was creating all

7:19

of those dances and I mean When

7:22

in the world have you have

7:25

like four women dancing on a

7:27

sketch show become sometimes more famous

7:32

For great great

7:34

choreographed short routines, but they

7:36

really made a difference in the terms of the show

7:39

Yeah, and like all of it, you

7:41

know, she she cast those dancers. She's

7:43

an amazing dancer herself We posted a

7:46

bunch of videos and we did the

7:48

episode about her But like her dance

7:50

moves are like so

7:52

dancing is how she gets famous.

7:54

She is literally Dancing at

7:57

a club and Spike Lee is like

7:59

you And she's like on the

8:01

counter, like just going nuts the counter. So yeah,

8:03

how long has it been since I've been outside

8:06

in a bar? The bar, the top. Yeah. The

8:08

bar, the bar, the countertop of the bar. She's dancing

8:10

and Spike Lee's like, yeah, I think you think

8:13

you should be in my movie. And

8:16

so the JLo thing is interesting

8:18

because she writes about early JLo pretty

8:20

candidly. You could walk away and be

8:22

like, there's beef between them. But

8:25

I mean, there might be. She's like,

8:28

I told JLo to get it together and

8:31

to fall in line. And JLo said no.

8:34

And you kind of walk away liking

8:37

them both because you're like, Rosie

8:39

was trying to get her dancer in line and

8:41

help her. And JLo was

8:43

like, I'm a fucking star and I'm

8:46

going to go be a star. And you

8:48

can like see where JLo's early attitudes come

8:50

in. Honestly, I respect. I wasn't like, ooh,

8:52

diva. I was like, ooh, diva. Diva has

8:54

made her pursue her tonight city center

8:56

above all. Fuck you.

8:59

Become like the first Latina in

9:01

a huge mass marketed rom com

9:03

from a studio unless you've like,

9:05

you know, got some,

9:08

you know, got some. And

9:10

what's interesting is that Rosie Press, also

9:12

Latina, also coming up in films at

9:15

the exact same time as JLo, like

9:17

was her boss. And

9:20

Rosie will go on to be in like, White

9:22

Men Can't Jump and all these great movies. She

9:24

was nominated for an Oscar for the movie Fearless.

9:26

I had no idea. And

9:28

then the Tupac thing is really interesting because there's all

9:30

these pictures that exist of them on

9:33

the red carpet and they're like looking so hot

9:35

together. And it was literally a stunt. He

9:37

was just like, hey, come with me to this thing.

9:39

And she'd be like, okay. And

9:41

then she would be like, hey, I need a date. Can you

9:44

come? And he's like, yeah, okay. And they were both just like,

9:46

yeah, let's let's walk the red carpet

9:48

together and make people go nuts in the

9:50

PR days when that still worked. Yeah, it

9:53

is true because I don't think that as many

9:55

people do that anymore. But

9:57

no, I'm like, when is the. like

10:00

real staged celeb

10:03

duo. Like maybe it's Taylor's with Travis Kelsey, but I

10:05

can't even speak on that. I have no idea. I

10:08

felt like Jake Gyllenhaal really

10:10

was the king

10:13

of setups on red carpets and dating.

10:15

Like I just never believed any relationship that

10:17

he was in. I'm

10:20

trying to even think of stuff. He doesn't even seem like

10:22

somebody who would date an actress. Oh

10:24

really? I feel like he's so actor-y. I

10:27

think he's actor-y in a way that he wouldn't

10:29

want to date another actor. Like

10:32

you don't take the craft as seriously

10:34

as I do. Yes, that's

10:37

really funny. His parents were

10:39

in the business. I feel like he'd go, I

10:41

need to be with somebody who's more intellectual. Yeah,

10:44

I can see that. Who is he with

10:46

now? He's married, right? No, he is a

10:48

girlfriend and apparently she's never photographed and they

10:50

just showed up at some red carpet event.

10:53

I think he's been with her for like two years, but

10:55

I feel like he was really very

10:57

clever about making

11:00

his moves. Making his moves, yeah. Yeah, interesting.

11:02

Well, yeah, I mean, Rosie did it in

11:04

a way where, you can tell she's just

11:06

having fun. And also

11:09

I really, really miss the days

11:11

before Stylist. And there's

11:13

this Instagram account that one of

11:15

my guests told me about, which

11:17

is, oh God, it's like the

11:20

night before. And it's just

11:22

paparazzi pics of red carpet premieres before

11:24

celebs had like Stylist and these things.

11:27

It's so fun. It's like, I miss the days

11:29

when Sharon Stone is like, I threw on a

11:31

white button up at a tablecloth and walked to

11:33

the Oscars. Oh, I know, I know. I

11:36

was napping. I wore my

11:38

husband's white shirt with a skirt. Yes,

11:40

I heard it. Yeah. So

11:42

who came up with the idea of

11:45

really leaning far into the gold hoop?

11:47

Was it Rosie Perez or JLo? Oh,

11:50

as like a jewelry choice? As a look.

11:53

I feel like both of them kind of. It's

11:56

cultural, you know what I mean? It's just like,

11:58

yeah. I add

12:00

really interesting. I think it's a cultural

12:02

and I mean Rosie had a life

12:04

where. First. Off see

12:07

her mom is. Mentally.

12:11

Mentally, deeply, deeply unwell.

12:13

And him this. Gorgeous

12:15

woman who is. Just.

12:19

Fucking so much shit up and

12:21

rosie life. Heard that children's lives

12:23

and. She. Is sent

12:25

off to live as a.

12:28

Catholic. Nunnery.

12:30

States. Foster.

12:33

For. Isn't program? Wow. Where

12:36

the nuns are. Sometimes.

12:39

Like feeding these children till they die. While.

12:42

And. Com. Mom is

12:44

having like. Her: she'll

12:47

hear this is a new sibling about

12:49

joining. The school and putting

12:51

school and quotes. And sister Renata

12:53

is like a nun. She. Has

12:55

to survive in the

12:57

abuse is. Viciously

13:01

intense. But it's also. Firsthand,

13:04

Perspective of someone going through that type

13:06

of foster system and then when she's

13:08

a teenager like a tiny ways that

13:10

people help her make it out like

13:12

how she moved from that had been.

13:14

You. Know one of our most famous actresses

13:17

and then feel people don't even realize where

13:19

she came from. and then also when you

13:21

read the memoir what's wow the it is

13:23

that like as she's going to the oscars

13:25

as you get another success. Her.

13:28

Abusive toxic family. Is

13:30

continuing to ruin their lives in every

13:32

way they can. but sometimes she doesn't

13:35

even realize it looks at me like

13:37

oh and then my sister and then

13:39

I had seen like no, no, you

13:41

didn't have to stop. And.

13:44

I'm yeah, it's really. It's

13:46

a wild read. I love a

13:48

darker read. I love someone who's

13:50

lived a life and I. Obviously.

13:54

Hope it's like all been processed now for her

13:56

but I love that she got it out there.

13:59

are no for that she has such

14:01

a distinctive unusual voice and

14:05

still has been able to be in

14:07

so many different projects despite it because

14:09

one would think that every casting director

14:11

producer would say you got to get rid of that. Oh

14:14

yeah and what is um I'm trying to think

14:16

of the one of my favorite movies weirdly um

14:18

it could happen to you it's

14:21

just this have you seen that it

14:24

might be my favorite just because you know when you

14:26

see it as a kid and you're like that's great

14:28

but I've rewatched I still like it it's called it could

14:30

happen to you it's Nicholas Cage a woman

14:32

whose name I couldn't conjure if I tried she was famous

14:34

in the moment but I don't know now and

14:37

Rosie Perez plays the villain

14:39

Weiss and Nicholas

14:41

Cage wins the lottery but he didn't have

14:43

tip he was a policeman and he lived

14:45

with a good heart he didn't have a

14:47

tip for his waitress and he said if

14:49

I win the lottery you get half. I

14:51

kind of remember enough yeah and then but

14:53

then Rosie's like the star of this movie

14:56

and she's really funny and she gets to

14:58

play the villain it's a

15:00

really good one. Wasn't she at one

15:02

point even looked at as a possible

15:04

co-host on The View? That

15:08

would feel incredibly correct but

15:11

I do like there's no way this is

15:13

not a good fit for me but they

15:15

I think they wanted her. There's

15:17

no way because you cannot cage

15:19

Rosie and she would

15:22

have to like I could see the kind

15:24

of like stalwarts there being like no like

15:26

yes she's too unsettling yeah.

15:29

Okay so that's a great one

15:31

okay what else is on the

15:33

docket? Okay my second recommendation is

15:35

Gabrielle Union's memoir. Oh tell

15:38

me. For first one so there's two they're

15:40

both good the first one is the one that

15:42

I ride or die for it's called We're Gonna Need

15:44

More Wine. It came out in

15:46

2017 it's written in

15:49

a really fun concise like

15:52

just like the title like we're telling stories

15:54

over wine with our girlfriends like it's a

15:56

tight read kind of the opposite

15:58

of Rosie's. Rosie's is this whole. life where you're

16:00

like, holy shit. And Gabrielle's is like fun

16:02

stories. And one,

16:06

she really made me laugh and

16:08

two, she gave some motherfucking details.

16:10

So her first marriage was to

16:12

Chris Howard, a

16:14

football player. Her chapter

16:17

about their wedding is

16:19

one of my favorite chapters of the book ever.

16:21

It is she, and she gives

16:23

this great intro that I'm not going to do

16:26

it justice, but it's like, imagine

16:28

like this horrific train wreck. That's like, it's

16:30

just like in flames. You can't look away

16:32

like you are cordially invited to my first

16:34

wedding. Like that's what it was. Even

16:37

down to when this dude said,

16:40

I do, he got

16:42

all his football teammates to practice

16:44

and rehearse and they were the

16:46

groomsmen. Oh no, all said, I

16:48

do at the same

16:50

time. Yeah. And

16:55

she goes into things like, um, like

16:58

the way he's, I don't want,

17:00

I want people to read it, but it's like

17:02

the way he proposes is horrible, but he proposes

17:04

and she says yes. And she tells everyone and

17:06

like 24 hours later, she finds out he's been

17:09

cheating on her the entire three months they've been

17:11

together. But she's so embarrassed,

17:14

embarrassed and humiliation stings so badly for

17:16

her that she would rather go through

17:19

the with the wedding than to

17:22

tell everyone she was wrong and she's not

17:25

engaged. And she was also feeling that pressure

17:27

of like, I'm almost 30 and

17:29

I'm an actress and blah, blah, blah. So it's

17:31

just like really nice to like one looking

17:34

at her now, you're just like, Oh, how funny.

17:36

Like I bet you wish you could go back

17:38

and tell yourself at 29, like you

17:40

don't need to marry the guy who gave

17:42

up during your proposal to eat food. Um, like

17:46

you don't have to do that, but she really

17:48

did. And the beginning chapter of her book

17:50

is dedicated to those who have known like severe

17:53

humiliation. And

17:55

that is what initially got me in the book.

17:58

And I was like, God, that was like She

18:00

knows darkness. Mm hmm. And

18:03

then you peel

18:06

back the layers like Gabrielle

18:09

Union was when she was 19 years old.

18:13

I know the story. Mm hmm. She

18:15

was raped at gunpoint while working

18:17

at Payless. And

18:19

I mean, she gets a hold of

18:21

the gun and takes a

18:23

shot. And the

18:27

way she goes from that to being

18:30

famous really shortly after.

18:34

It's just this beautiful journey of

18:36

like so

18:39

many horrific things can happen to

18:41

us. And

18:44

you keep going and

18:46

all of a sudden you're like, wait, I

18:48

accomplished all this life. I kept my head up.

18:51

I kept doing the thing. But I never processed

18:53

this horrible thing or like, how do people keep

18:55

going after that? And it's all in

18:57

her book and everything

19:00

to like the person who first told like

19:03

a bunch of her friends at a party that happened to

19:05

her when she hadn't told anyone yet and how she like

19:07

hopes that person like rots in hell. And it's like, I

19:09

love a woman who holds a grudge. Like

19:12

she's all of that up until

19:14

a chapter about being

19:17

really mean to other women in

19:19

Hollywood and how

19:22

like insecure, ambitious she was.

19:25

Wow. And then, you know, we know

19:27

she goes on to marry Dwayne Wade. She

19:29

has this like excruciating

19:32

fertility journey where she is

19:34

trying to conceive with Dwayne

19:37

and over and over and over again, you

19:40

know, with miscarriages and a lot of

19:42

pain and then Dwayne,

19:44

you know, were they

19:47

on a break? Was it cheating? We don't know. But

19:49

the person he was with got pregnant

19:54

and she and Dwayne stay together

19:56

and her second book talks about her surrogacy.

19:58

And so, yeah, it's just. Really,

20:01

again, I love someone who's lived a

20:03

life. She's really funny about it. She's

20:05

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20:08

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20:11

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20:14

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you know, just putting it

21:47

all out there. And

21:52

there are so many, even just all those things you

21:54

just went through. I don't, I can think of so

21:56

many friends that relate to some of the, like, for

21:59

me, it's I got married when

22:01

I was like 23 for like a hot

22:03

minute and I was so embarrassed That

22:06

I had made that mistake I knew in

22:08

the up like going up to the wedding

22:11

That it was a mistake but I was too afraid that

22:13

if I canceled the wedding that people would be disappointed which

22:15

is so stupid Yeah, I looked in

22:17

the mirror after the reception and I was

22:19

in the hotel, which is frequented

22:22

by Lisa Rinna when she goes to work

22:24

at QVC because QVC is in my hometown

22:26

and I'm in the bathroom of the hotel Sheraton

22:29

and I have that stupid gown on and

22:31

I have mascara running down because I was

22:33

sweating from dancing with all of my friends

22:35

And not the groom and I

22:37

looked at the mirror and I said out loud What

22:40

have you done and then I heard

22:42

him knocking on the door. Are you okay? And

22:46

I think a lot of women go through with

22:48

that first wedding because they're afraid of the disappointment

22:51

That the others may feel but the

22:53

truth is everybody just want you to be

22:56

happy. Yeah. Oh, yeah, and also You

22:59

know calling off a wedding is easier

23:01

than Getting a divorce. Thank

23:03

you. Yeah, and also even if you don't make

23:06

it to the altar I love that story K

23:08

Because yeah, it is just so like you can

23:10

totally see yourself doing it Even if you don't

23:12

make it to the altar I

23:14

stayed in a relationship for like years

23:17

past its due date And

23:20

she also talks about that in the book Like she

23:22

was like I stayed in a relationship and married a

23:25

person who didn't deserve a second date And

23:28

not even I mean in my case not even in

23:30

a malicious way But it's just like why

23:32

you know I strong-armed something

23:34

to work because I needed to feel

23:36

like I could be in a relationship

23:38

rather than Accepting that

23:41

something's not for you and to back out. Mmm.

23:44

Yeah. Have you ever run into her anywhere? Were

23:46

you able to tell her like I really loved

23:48

your book Well, I

23:50

I write this really weird line where you

23:53

know, I have my podcast where we recap

23:55

celebrity memoirs but also I am a television

23:57

writer and a filmmaker and so It's

24:01

a weird line for me where like I love

24:03

these books. These books like raised me since I

24:05

was a teenager I'd say

24:07

that's what happens like that. It

24:09

was my favorite book genre it was

24:11

my favorite book genre growing up and that's what happens when

24:14

your nearest bookstore is a Walmart and Like

24:17

these are my these are my entrances into the outside

24:19

world. And so I love these books I love talking

24:21

about them, but I also I've

24:24

been in situations where the famous person is right there

24:27

and it's like but that's not how I want to

24:29

meet them And like I've worked with them and you

24:31

know, we'll have friendships after that. But like yeah,

24:34

it's a really it's a really fine line

24:36

to walk Hmm. I know but

24:38

I hope at some point you can tell her

24:40

yeah. Yeah Yeah comes

24:42

up naturally in a in a in a

24:45

nice way like listen I have a book coming out

24:47

if any single person on earth wants to tell me

24:49

they like it or even lie to my face In

24:52

a convincing way. I would love

24:54

it. You know, so I'm I am sure I

24:56

am sure it's just like Yeah,

24:59

it's really funny to you know, sometimes I read

25:01

the books and I'm like, I know the I

25:04

know the real story behind that It's it's it's

25:06

weird. Yeah Yeah, I think

25:08

also on that. I haven't

25:10

written a book yet but telling even my

25:13

personal story when people approach me if they

25:15

do and they

25:17

sometimes say I kind of feel uncomfortable because

25:20

This story that you told me is so related

25:22

to mine and I we are

25:24

a stranger But you don't feel like a

25:26

stranger and I always receive that well because

25:28

in my mind anybody that listens is my friend

25:31

We are friends. Yeah, I think that

25:33

maybe she would really take that as

25:36

if this story connected to you We

25:38

are friends and I'm so glad it was with

25:40

you at a time when you really needed to hear

25:43

it Whatever that may be in the story That's

25:45

such a beautiful point and way of saying

25:47

that and yeah I mean that is how

25:49

I feel about it's why I love the

25:51

genre of memoirs I read a lot of

25:53

memoirs that are not celebrity memoirs either because

25:55

I Really just feel

25:57

like someone sharing about their life my

26:00

life every time, every single time.

26:02

And like, actually, Ru Paul's

26:04

no more had this in there where he wasn't talking

26:06

about books. He was talking about Alcoholics

26:09

Anonymous, but someone stood up

26:11

in the meeting and they gave their life story.

26:14

And it's the seven year old woman talking about

26:16

how she felt in life, why she turned to

26:18

alcohol. And Ru said, it

26:20

was her story, but it was mine. She

26:22

was saying my story and how, how did

26:24

you know my life? And

26:27

hearing her articulated it, hearing

26:30

her articulate it allowed him to know himself

26:32

for the first time. And I think that's

26:34

often how we need to hear things. Like,

26:36

it's so much easier to read about

26:38

her marriage and think about my weird shitty

26:41

boyfriend. I almost married than it

26:43

is to like, I did talk to my therapist

26:45

about him, you know, and I stayed with him.

26:47

I think it's just sometimes easier to learn lessons

26:49

through someone else's life, fun stories. I

26:51

agree with you. And I would prefer always to

26:53

read a biography over a not like

26:56

a fiction book. And sometimes

26:58

that person's experience may seem

27:00

completely dissimilar, but there's

27:02

like a common thread. And the example I'll give

27:04

you is J.C. Dugard was a

27:07

girl that was walking to school one

27:09

day and was kidnapped and held captive

27:11

for a long time and had children

27:13

in captivity with her abuser. And

27:15

when she wrote a book, it was like chapter three

27:17

or something, but she opens up the chapter and she

27:19

says, I'm going to

27:22

in this chapter, I'm going to give very

27:25

specific details about the abuse that I

27:28

endured. And I'm going to do

27:30

that because it's his shame and not mine.

27:32

I felt like I was

27:34

freed. I was unburdened

27:36

by so many things reading that

27:38

line. Now, I wasn't kidnapped. I

27:40

wasn't held in captivity, but I

27:42

respected the fact that she said,

27:44

I'm going to release the shame

27:46

that I should in theory

27:48

carry because it really

27:51

belongs to them for doing it. And I think

27:53

that can be compared to anything in our lives

27:55

where we take on things that some that something

27:57

that someone does to us. Yeah.

28:00

should we? Yeah, that's

28:02

so well said. And yeah, I

28:05

think there's so

28:08

much shame really

28:10

built into society

28:12

for, I mean, lots of

28:14

people, women, people who, anyone who was

28:16

in other men who don't fit the

28:18

rubric of whatever that is. And you

28:20

are taught it is your shame when

28:22

you don't fit this normal rubric. And

28:25

the truth is, if you read enough

28:27

memoirs, they're just, it just

28:30

obliterates the rubric. And

28:32

you realize, like, everyone is in

28:34

so much pain. And to me,

28:36

that's actually quite a beautiful thought.

28:40

Like, you know, you got

28:42

to redefine normal, because it's not what we say

28:44

it is. And then like the moment you can

28:46

see that someone else is going through it too,

28:48

like you get to like live in community with

28:50

them. Which is so funny, because yes, I am

28:53

talking about celebrity memoirs. And you said you prefer

28:55

nonfiction, I do too. And I especially, I don't

28:59

really like biographies, I like

29:01

autobiographies, you have to write

29:03

your own story. Even if

29:05

you sent one voice

29:07

note to a ghostwriter and told them to make it

29:09

up, that will that

29:11

you cannot escape your book. I

29:14

firmly believe that you can write

29:17

it in post it notes and your soul will

29:19

be in that goddamn book. And those to

29:22

me, speak

29:24

like even the people who tell their

29:26

story like shit, I still

29:28

love those books like Kirsty Alli's book

29:31

is one of the craziest

29:34

books you will ever read in

29:37

your life. It literally starts with

29:39

a list of women she hates.

29:41

And one of them is Harriet

29:43

Tubman. What? I

29:45

am not joking. We did a whole episode

29:47

on this. It's so funny, but in

29:51

the book you get to be in her brain

29:53

and it's amazing. I mean,

29:55

she talks about how she was like

29:58

on a meth binge for three days.

30:00

when she read Scientology.

30:02

Oh boy. Well, then there's the

30:04

problem. But if I was like

30:07

on a meth binge and I read Scientology, I

30:09

might think I'd found God too. You

30:11

know what I mean? Like it just

30:13

explains so much. Yeah. Have

30:15

you ever read or listened

30:17

to Molly Shannon's book? Hello Molly. Oh yeah.

30:19

There's an episode on her for sure. That

30:21

is a beautiful book. I thought

30:24

it was beautiful too. I thought it was better

30:26

to listen to it because of her voice and

30:28

her nation and her the

30:31

way she tells story. But I

30:33

felt a connection to that obviously having Irish

30:36

relatives. The car

30:38

accident, the transformation she had

30:40

in her relationship with her father, but

30:43

also just the little stories of making

30:45

it in the entertainment industry. For

30:47

one little piece, for example, I think

30:49

about her often when I have a live

30:52

show because she talks about how when

30:54

she had improv shows

30:56

or any sort of like one

30:58

woman show, she kept a roll of decks

31:00

of every person she ever met. She would when she would

31:02

talk to you, you know, waiting tables or got

31:05

your number down and go through and call

31:07

you and say, Hey, I've got a show

31:09

coming up. So whenever I feel like I'm

31:11

over over suggesting to

31:14

someone like I've got a live show, you got to come.

31:16

I think but Molly Shannon did it. I

31:19

love that so much. That is such a

31:21

good point because yeah, I don't send out

31:23

the email blast being like, please come

31:25

and then a friend will be like, oh you

31:28

had a show, you know, I would

31:30

have come but I didn't and

31:32

you're like, well, I don't want to, you know, but they're

31:36

like, yeah, I would like to know you

31:38

had a show. That's that's such a good

31:40

point. Her book. Yeah, I loved her making

31:42

it stories like the David Mamet scam

31:45

that she pulled unbelievable. So

31:47

unbelievable and also just yeah,

31:49

another person who like lives through so

31:52

much abuse and was still living

31:54

through it as she wrote the book and like

31:56

the stuff that with her dad, like she had

31:58

to wait till her dad passed away. until she

32:00

could actually say the truth. I

32:02

think a lot of people consider writing

32:04

a book or having a podcast or

32:07

in some form telling their story, but

32:09

it hinges on the death of someone.

32:12

Like I can't believe this truth until that

32:14

person has left the earth. Well, trust me,

32:16

when I wrote my book, my mom said,

32:19

you know, a lot of people wait to

32:21

do this till their parents are dead, but

32:23

you just had to do it now. She

32:25

had to do it. I was so sorry.

32:29

I know, but as a storyteller, you know,

32:32

there is a part of, especially if you're

32:34

somebody who put yourself out there, I

32:36

feel like we owe it to the people, or at least I feel like

32:38

I owe it to the people that listen to my show to

32:40

be very transparent about who I am

32:42

so that they understand the lens

32:44

through which I look at life, which is why

32:47

I choose the guests that I have or the

32:49

questions that I ask. But if I

32:51

don't open myself up in the way I'm asking

32:54

my guests to do so, it doesn't seem like

32:56

it's a fair exchange. That's

32:59

really beautiful. And I think about that too.

33:01

I've been thinking a lot about it

33:04

with coming out with my

33:06

book. It's like, you know,

33:08

and some parts are excruciating.

33:10

I mean, it's excruciating.

33:13

And like you said, like waiting

33:15

to tell your story till someone's gone, well, what if

33:17

they're not gone? And you've told it and you've just

33:20

sent them the manuscripts. And I,

33:22

but I think to myself, like, who

33:25

am I to give

33:27

my opinions and thoughts about someone

33:29

else's book and memoir, but

33:32

be unwilling and not brave enough

33:34

to do it myself? And I

33:37

think about that too. I have a really, obviously

33:39

I have a weird relationship with critics because like

33:42

with the TV stuff or the film stuff, you

33:46

can tell when someone is writing

33:49

a critique of you and that

33:51

person has, doesn't have a hand

33:54

in the art. They're just

33:56

a commentator. They're a bottom feeder. They're

33:58

a clickbait person. are, you

34:01

know, they're there to make

34:03

their bones off of saying

34:05

shit versus understanding and discussing

34:08

and critiquing, you know, art,

34:10

even if it's a stupid sketch show.

34:12

And it's like the good critics are

34:14

so good because they love the thing

34:16

and understand the thing. But it's like when I

34:19

was like head writing on the

34:21

John Stewart show, I could sometimes

34:23

like read reviews or

34:25

things said that was like, oh,

34:28

it's just clickbait, you know, and

34:30

like, it's just

34:32

like such a waste of time and to

34:34

bring it back to myself. Like, I don't

34:37

like, I'm not here to critique

34:39

the books. I'm just here to like talk about

34:41

them and recap them and book club them. But

34:43

sometimes you do end up critiquing them. And like,

34:45

all I can say is like, but I'm giving

34:47

myself over to it too. You know what I

34:49

mean? And the same thing is going to happen

34:52

to me. And I think the rule is like,

34:54

if you can dish it, like you can take

34:56

it, you know, agreed. So we have Rosie Perez,

34:59

we've got Gabrielle Union. I mentioned

35:01

Molly Shannon. What's the next book?

35:03

Okay, the next one, full disclosure,

35:06

I was torn between Mackenzie Phillips

35:09

and Rue McClanahan. And Mackenzie

35:11

is a one of

35:13

the darkest books you'll ever read in your entire

35:16

life. And if you don't not sure if you

35:18

want that, just listen to our episode on it.

35:20

But Rue McClanahan's book is the one I've chosen.

35:23

The title is the greatest memoir title

35:25

to ever exist. My

35:28

first five husbands and the ones who got away. Isn't

35:32

that fantastic? Yeah. So

35:35

funny. And Rue has this famous Emmys

35:37

speech and the clip gets into me

35:39

all the time because I like do

35:41

book stuff and it's so worth finding.

35:43

It's, she wins her

35:45

Emmy and it's like, Oh

35:47

my God, I miss, I

35:50

miss good speeches at awards shows. I miss

35:52

when it mattered. I miss the craft of

35:54

speech giving. Maybe you're like this, but it's

35:56

like, Oh, of course at a wedding. Like

35:58

I love the speeches. unless you have no

36:01

idea what you're doing. I can't go to my

36:03

churches because I get mad if the priest is

36:05

a bad public speaker. I'm insane.

36:08

That, you can't, they can't have that. And

36:10

like, oh, I used to love, and I

36:12

still do love award shows, but it's like,

36:14

I want the speech to be a speech.

36:17

And Ruma Klaenahan gives

36:19

this epic speech. And in

36:21

it, she says like, you know, I got a

36:23

lot of kicks in Hollywood, like a lot of

36:26

like people like who kick you down.

36:28

And then she said, and my mom said, Rue,

36:30

like, don't you know, every kick's a boost. And

36:34

I remember everyone who like gave me a boost. And

36:37

I remember everyone who gave me a kick. You

36:39

know who you are. I think it's a big laugh.

36:41

And then she says, and you'll be in the book. And

36:44

in 2007, she publishes her memoir, which

36:49

not only has like this great Hollywood tea

36:52

and like gossip making it,

36:54

but also this woman was

36:57

married five times. And

36:59

there's multiple other relationships in

37:01

that. It is chaotic

37:03

and haphazard. And she

37:07

like taught me one lesson, which

37:09

I have to relearn all the time as a

37:11

people pleaser, which is like, when

37:13

someone asks you to do something and you're not sure

37:15

and you have that weird gut feeling, you just say,

37:18

let me think about it. And that

37:20

way you can feel the nice, just be like, yeah,

37:22

let me buy yourself time. Because

37:25

she says yes to all these proposals. And

37:29

when the book ends,

37:32

it was so crazy. We were

37:34

talking about it on the podcast and I was talking to my guests where

37:36

I was like, oh, she also

37:38

goes through cancer. And

37:42

it's just this huge thing and this huge

37:44

thing in her relationships. And towards

37:47

the end, she gets remarried. And she was like, but

37:49

I got remarried. And I was like,

37:51

I just feel worried. Like reading

37:53

about that happy ending, like I

37:55

just feel like she

37:57

wasn't really happy. And we Googled that.

38:00

it in the moment. It was like, yes, they

38:02

have divorce. And I was like, I knew it.

38:04

I knew it. And it's

38:06

such a fun, lovely book. If

38:09

you love Golden Girls, you'll get

38:11

Golden Girls stuff. And she's just

38:13

like a wonderful, very

38:15

funny person. Yeah. Yeah.

38:18

And also the book begins with a

38:20

quote that is a sorry,

38:23

wait, I want to remember what this is. The

38:25

book begins with a quote from Margaret Thatcher. And

38:27

the quote is, you can

38:29

grade every lover with a grade of

38:31

like, you can give

38:34

them a grade. And I was like, I

38:36

can't fucking believe Margaret Thatcher said this. I know. Are

38:38

we sure? Okay. Wow. Yeah. I was like, cause I'm

38:40

an idiot. And the ghostwriter wrote to me and I'm

38:42

like, that was a joke. And I was

38:44

like, Oh, but you know, culturally I

38:46

read it what 30 years later. So I was

38:48

just like, huh? And she

38:51

said, Ru used to like send

38:53

her friend packages and would put

38:55

in fake quotes from other celebrities.

38:57

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40:23

about male celebrity memoirs? Have there been any

40:25

that have stood out for you? Listen, we

40:27

read that John Stamos won together and we

40:29

know that that's not on the list. One

40:32

of my favorite episodes. How

40:34

have the male celebrity

40:36

memoirs gone? Like anything that stands out for you?

40:40

So there's a quote by

40:42

Elizabeth Wortzel that I'm

40:45

obsessed with. I discovered it this year and

40:48

it kind of explains my feeling, no it

40:50

exactly explains my feelings on male

40:52

memoirs. And let me see if I can remember the quote.

40:55

It's men tend to

40:58

dismiss this genre and

41:00

that's because they're not as good

41:02

at it as women are because

41:04

to be good at memoir, you

41:07

have to tell the truth about yourself. And

41:10

there is no benefit to telling the truth about

41:12

yourself when you're the one who holds all the

41:15

power. And

41:19

I mean, I even butchered it. It's much

41:21

more beautiful than that. But it's like there

41:24

is men just, it's

41:28

not all the books, but it's

41:30

almost all of them where like

41:32

they just don't really want to talk about

41:34

it. And I think it's like, no, exactly

41:37

what benefit is it to them? This is

41:39

also a fucked up thing where we commodify

41:41

women's vulnerability. And if

41:43

you don't cry or bleed it out, like we don't believe you

41:45

or trust you or like you. And

41:47

so that goes into it as well. But

41:50

it's like they just don't. I mean, John

41:52

Samos's memoir was just so what

41:54

most of these dude's memoirs are. I

41:56

even tried. I've tried some other ones

41:58

too, like Andre Leon. tally and

42:01

it's just like So many details

42:03

about Chanel like I could it was

42:05

a DNF like I couldn't finish it

42:07

really tried. I remember loving

42:11

Daryl Hammond's memoir and That

42:14

said I read it when I was

42:16

very young, but he again had like

42:18

a very dark Jay horrifically traumatic life

42:22

But I remember his being Wonderful.

42:24

I mean you know Wonderful,

42:27

you know who has a wonderful book a

42:29

male celebrity memoir is Martin Shorts book. Oh

42:32

Yeah, okay. I would love to read that he has

42:34

just a great Way

42:37

of looking at the world he's very

42:39

observant he's very detailed he

42:42

talks in glowing terms about his wife

42:45

and walks you through her death and Also

42:49

for somebody who has obsessed

42:51

her entire life about Gilda Radner I should note that Martin

42:53

short is one of my favorite people in the whole

42:55

world Gilda Radner really is

42:58

the person that I have hung the moon

43:00

on my entire life The way that he

43:02

talks about their complicated friendship and

43:04

relationship is also So

43:07

worth the book That

43:09

makes me want to read it because I've read her

43:11

memoir as well Her memoir

43:13

like broke my heart because I thought it was

43:16

gonna be funny and it really was a woman

43:18

who saw That she

43:20

would never have a child and that her life

43:22

was ending and I think I read

43:24

that in like middle school Yeah

43:26

It is it's hard one of the most Distressing

43:29

memoirs of all time as someone who set out

43:31

to write a comedy memoir and found out they

43:33

were dying and yeah It's

43:36

obliterating And

43:38

yeah Martin short that that sounds really good.

43:40

Also. He's with Meryl Streep now So I

43:42

love that for love that he can have

43:44

vulnerability. I've heard Alan Cummings is wonderful. Oh,

43:46

I bet I unfortunately

43:48

have read a lot of Not

43:51

a lot of when we have made men's more

43:54

Exceptions, it's like Prince

43:56

Harry. Oh, that's not you Perry. Mm-hmm.

43:59

Like I have I haven't had like a,

44:01

I guess, no, Ru Paul's came

44:03

up real short for me, which

44:05

was crushing because

44:08

that's my God

44:10

who I pray to every day. Yeah,

44:14

I have not, Mike Nichols is one

44:17

that I've heard is good and want to read,

44:19

but yeah, I'm leery of them because every time

44:21

I try, I get disappointed. I

44:23

read Ted Kennedy's The Compass. And

44:26

I felt like he didn't fully go

44:28

there on Shop Aquitik. What I was

44:30

surprised by was he talked about being

44:32

abused by a teacher when he went

44:34

to a boarding school. I thought

44:36

anytime that a man comes forward and talks

44:38

about abuse, I always impress me because I

44:41

still think we live in a time where there's

44:43

so much shame. But

44:45

to your point, he could go there so

44:47

many places. There was a bit of

44:49

a nostalgia talking about his role in

44:51

the family and how he helped his

44:53

nephew and his niece,

44:56

really nephew and nieces and his

45:00

total adoration for all of his family. And

45:02

you have great respect for his storytelling as all

45:04

Irish people, I think are the best storytellers in

45:06

the world. But yeah,

45:08

I think you're right. Men probably have a little

45:10

bit of an issue. Completely

45:12

cracking open. Yeah. Yeah. And

45:15

also it's like bread into them. Like from the day you're

45:18

born, it's like, you're not a man. If you feel it's

45:20

like then you have to overcome all that to write a

45:22

book. To your point, like what's the

45:24

point? What am I going to get out of it?

45:26

But that's how I feel like women, we connect so

45:28

deeply with one another when we open up about

45:30

things that have been difficult because in fairness, like

45:33

a lot of it is difficult. Well,

45:35

yeah. And I think this is like, that's all we

45:37

have. Like when you don't have the power, the

45:40

only way up is

45:42

by community and connecting and power in

45:44

numbers. And it's like, of course. And

45:46

one of my favorite articles in the

45:48

Washington Post by this writer, Jess McHugh,

45:51

talks about how book clubs, you

45:53

know, it's the joke now of like, oh,

45:55

my book, my wine book club and women's fair book

45:57

clubs. But in reality, it was like the

45:59

only place. for women to get

46:01

together and talk. And

46:04

like life stories and ideals and philosophies. And

46:06

it's like, just cause dudes were like, we're

46:08

having a political meeting on like who to kill

46:10

in the war room today. But like,

46:13

that was their fucking book club. And,

46:15

and, and, you know, ours were about

46:17

actual books, but it's like, it's just

46:19

so powerful. And also like, the

46:22

celeb stuff to me is like

46:24

so powerful because people are like,

46:26

these trashy books, these

46:29

trash, trash books. And all I

46:31

can think is like, Loni

46:34

Anderson was telling us about her abortion

46:36

and her abuse. And

46:39

everyone else told us these are trash

46:41

books. And it's like Sally Field

46:43

is talking about the same about like her

46:46

abortion, her abuse, Burt Reynolds. It's like, there

46:48

are women who, there are multiple

46:50

female memoirs who have the same

46:52

horror stories about men in these

46:54

books. Like Ricky Lake has

46:57

the John Mayer stories 10

46:59

years before Jessica Simpson has the John

47:01

Mayer stories. Like Sally Field writes about

47:03

Burt Reynolds. And so does Loni

47:05

Anderson. It's like that, those books

47:07

feel like where the truth was and

47:10

is, and we've just like totally

47:12

thrown them away. Did

47:14

you ever watch the HBO documentary on Natalie Wood?

47:19

I did. I

47:22

mean, I remember starting it. Maybe

47:25

I didn't finish it. Well, if

47:28

you watch that and then you read the book that

47:30

her daughter wrote, I've never had something I

47:33

felt reached through the TV and ripped my

47:35

heart and pull me towards the

47:38

TV. I felt like, how

47:40

can I have such a deep connection to somebody who

47:42

not only is deceased,

47:45

but has like, lived

47:48

a completely different experience in decades than

47:50

I have. But there is

47:52

a part where her daughter found this

47:54

letter that she was gonna write to this

47:57

magazine that was never actually published.

48:00

And she talks about the abuse that

48:02

she suffered. Oh

48:04

my God. And to your point,

48:07

if she had published that, it would have been like a trashy

48:09

piece, but it is really

48:12

just brutal to hear because I think of

48:14

her and I think if she were alive,

48:17

she'd be running a studio. There

48:19

are countless people that say that she's

48:21

the reason they had a career, namely

48:23

Robert Redford. Oh my God. Well,

48:25

I am gonna go watch that immediately. I

48:27

think I thought it was like a

48:30

murder. Not at all.

48:32

It's really about her life. It's actually a very small part

48:34

of it. It's a very cool part of it. Wow, okay,

48:36

I'm gonna watch that immediately. I

48:38

think she is somebody who

48:40

was weighed before her time. Wow.

48:44

Hey, I can see you running a studio. I wish you

48:46

would. That is my dream. I would love to work for

48:48

you. That's honestly my dream. Everyone

48:51

listening. That's

48:53

my dream. Kate, run a studio. Yeah, you'd be amazing at

48:55

it. I think so. I

48:57

wanted to talk about a couple of biographies that,

49:01

not a celebrity memoir, but a biography that

49:03

kind of have jumped out for you. Because

49:06

like I said, there are people that are looking

49:08

for things to read. And I have found

49:10

that I recommend these two books. I just

49:12

recommended today. I went into a store and I ran into somebody. And

49:14

I said, if you're going to vacation, these are the two books you want to read.

49:17

Tina Brown's Diana Chronicles about Princess Diana is

49:19

a must read. It's thick like a Bible

49:21

and you're gonna, no, I don't want to

49:23

put it down. The other

49:25

one is by J. Randy Tara Barelli.

49:28

I've had him on my podcast, Obsessed.

49:30

The book is called Jackie Public Private

49:32

Secret. If you think

49:34

you know anything or everything about Jackie

49:36

Kennedy, it doesn't even scratch the surface. You

49:39

learned who she was as a mother,

49:42

a sister, a friend, a coworker. I

49:45

did not read the last 20 pages for a couple

49:47

of days because I did not want to attend. That's

49:51

how you know a book is good. That one was

49:53

good. And then if you want something for, about

49:56

a comedian, the Chris Farley Show. That's

49:59

a great one. That's a fantastic one. I

50:01

like that one too. What about you? The

50:04

last three books Not

50:06

celebrity memoirs that I sat down and

50:09

read in one sitting and again

50:11

keep in mind Like i'm dark.

50:13

I like a life and I i'm i'm

50:15

here for like the grit the

50:18

many lives of mama love and

50:22

She's actually crystal hefner's ghost writer.

50:24

Oh, she's a ghost writer for

50:26

many other books it's how I

50:28

knew she had a memoir and

50:32

Her memoir is about being a soccer

50:34

mom who becomes addicted to heroin and

50:36

ends up in prison And this is

50:38

everything and falls back out of it

50:41

to become a celebrity ghost writer and

50:43

have her own. Wow literary company And

50:46

I just yeah that one is like it's light enough

50:48

that you can just read in when sitting but like

50:50

dark enough that it was gripping choice

50:54

Maynard's memoir I

50:58

was like sweating as I was it's like it was

51:01

so intense her writing is so

51:03

intense and J.D.

51:05

Salinger when he was 50 years old Broomed

51:09

her when she was 18 years

51:11

old to give up a

51:13

full scholarship to Yale and

51:16

a job She's 18 years

51:18

old a job as the youth editor

51:20

at the new york times to

51:23

come be his girlfriend and and

51:25

he uses her up and throws her

51:28

away and that that is like The

51:30

relationship is one of the weirdest things

51:33

you'll ever ever read about me like

51:35

she's fucking weird He's fucking weird, but

51:37

she's a child and um Yeah,

51:41

I like slept through that whole book and then

51:43

um, but it's so good I couldn't put it

51:45

down and the final one is um, the other

51:47

side by laciem johnson It's a

51:49

short read. It's extremely traumatic if you've been

51:51

abused. Um Specifically sexual

51:53

abuse and by a man Which

51:57

I also have been it's just like It's

52:00

just so harrowing and gorgeous and

52:02

beautiful. And I couldn't put it

52:04

down. Well, you have a

52:06

book coming out. I want you to tell everybody a little bit more

52:08

about your book. Let's love to.

52:11

So my book is a memoir. Recently

52:14

at a book conference, I was asked

52:16

to say a sentence about it. And

52:19

I said, it's an absolutely harrowing memoir,

52:21

but funny. And that

52:24

is what it is. I've

52:27

been through some intense, intense shit, but

52:29

also I became a comedian. So

52:32

there's a lot of trauma, a lot of darkness, but also a lot

52:34

of jokes. And I mean, every

52:37

chapter title is a different woman's name

52:39

in my life because I do like,

52:41

I love centering women's stories. So it's

52:43

their stories and my story. However, some

52:46

of them are heroes. Some of them are villains,

52:49

but what is a villain and

52:51

a hero? A leading role. And we love

52:53

women to get leading roles no matter what.

52:55

So some of them are terrible. And I

52:59

talk about like a best friend breakup. Talk

53:01

about the time I dated a magician. I found about, I

53:03

talked about finding out my dad was not my real dad.

53:06

And I talked

53:08

about some really, really intense domestic

53:10

violence I lived through when I

53:13

was very, very, very young. And

53:16

something really crazy happened to those chapters of

53:18

the book. And you'll know what I'm talking

53:20

about if you buy the book. So please

53:22

buy it. And when will

53:24

the book be out? But we can,

53:27

you've presaled it. So we can, people can

53:29

order. I have the book personally, but where

53:31

can everybody else get it? Yeah, so you

53:33

can order everywhere. It comes out June 4th. If

53:37

you go to Bookshop, that supports independent bookstores.

53:39

If you've gotten the noble account, I

53:41

think there's like a code to get it off. If you

53:43

like audio books, you know,

53:45

it's like my longest podcast yet. I

53:48

just finished recording it. And if

53:50

you use Libro and use code trash, you

53:52

can get a second audio book for free

53:54

and Libro supports independent bookstores. So they sell

53:57

audio books, but the money goes to bookstores.

54:00

It's also an audible and

54:02

you know what, if you're like, I'll

54:05

support this random lady on a podcast, but I don't

54:07

have 20 bucks, well, request

54:09

it at your library. I love

54:11

that you can request that they order it.

54:14

And then if they love you, they'll say

54:16

yes and it'll go to your library. Okay,

54:19

so let's go through the list again. Rosie

54:21

Perez. Rosie Perez. Gabrielle

54:23

Union, Rue McClanahan. Yeah. Molly

54:27

Shannon. Molly Shannon. That's a great

54:29

one. Martin Short. Mackenzie

54:32

Phillips. Chris Farley

54:34

Show. Kirstie Alley if you're out of

54:36

your mind. Tina

54:39

Browns, Diana Chronicles, J. Randy, Tara

54:41

Barelli's, Jackie Public Private Secret.

54:44

And I shouldn't be telling you this by Chelsea Devonta.

54:47

Wow, wow, wow. Yes, honored to make

54:49

the list. Thank you Kate. It's

54:51

so wild to me that you have it. I'm

54:53

like, oh yeah, I forgot that it was sent

54:55

to you. And it's so wild. It's that feeling

54:58

of looking someone in the eyes who

55:00

is holding a book that is

55:02

the equivalent of a gynecological exam.

55:06

I know, but what freedom? What freedom

55:08

once you've released it and you've told it.

55:10

And then when somebody says, oh, I

55:13

couldn't get past page 54 because I thought you

55:15

were writing about me. Yeah,

55:18

yeah. Makes

55:20

it not worth it. Okay, tell everybody where they can listen to your podcast

55:22

and where they can follow you. My podcast is

55:24

called Glamorous Trash. We

55:26

recap celebrity memoirs. We also take some

55:28

tangents and we will scream about like

55:31

Love is Blind or I did an

55:33

episode on like The Memoirs Educated and

55:35

Glass Castle, did a comparison episode. That

55:37

was a big one for me, Glass Castle was a big one.

55:39

Yeah, yeah. Those ones,

55:42

yes. You

55:44

know, just a wayward, a

55:46

wayward captain of the house who has

55:48

a boat but is also $50,000 in

55:50

debt. Like that

55:52

is a genre of man, you know, very well. And

55:55

yes, so that's Glamorous Trash. You

55:57

can listen wherever you listen to podcasts.

56:00

socials. I'm at Chelsea DuVantez. I will sometimes

56:02

recap and post clips from the books and

56:04

my Instagram stories so you can book club

56:06

with me. And on our Patreon, we also

56:08

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56:10

much. Thank you so much for having me. Amazing,

56:15

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56:18

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56:20

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57:18

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57:21

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57:23

greatest challenge yet. We have an

57:25

active threat. They can wipe out an entire

57:27

city. People are going to die.

57:29

Now he's running out of time. We have

57:31

three days to find and destroy. He doesn't

57:33

know who he can trust. Everything I've been

57:35

told has been alive.

57:48

Danger is everywhere. You're no longer

57:51

hiding in the shadows of battle.

57:53

Everyone is personal. It's revenge. He's

58:00

capable of. And

58:02

his choice could change everything. You sick of

58:04

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58:07

I'm the truth. The world is

58:09

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58:11

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