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cancel or change plans. Welcome

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back for another episode of Reality Life with K.

1:19

Casey. This Saturday series episode is

1:22

most special to me. I

1:24

first came across Dr. Evan Alexander

1:27

while watching him in an Oprah Winfrey

1:29

interview many years ago while he discussed

1:31

his New York Times bestselling book, Proof

1:33

of Heaven. The details of

1:35

that interview and his book have stayed

1:37

with me for many years and I

1:40

suspect after today they will for you

1:42

as well. Dr. Evan

1:44

Alexander spent over 25 years

1:47

as an academic neurosurgeon, including 15

1:49

years at the Brigham and Women's Hospital,

1:52

the Children's Hospital and Harvard Medical School

1:54

in Boston. Over those

1:56

years he personally dealt with hundreds

1:59

of patients suffering. suffering from severe

2:01

alterations in their level of consciousness.

2:04

Many of those patients were rendered comatose by

2:06

trauma, brain tumors, ruptured

2:08

aneurysms, infections, or stroke. He

2:11

thought he had a very good idea of how

2:13

the brain generates consciousness, mind, and spirit.

2:16

In the pre-dawn hours of November 10, 2008,

2:19

he was driven into a coma by a

2:21

rare and mysterious bacterial, veningoencephalitis

2:24

of unknown cause. He

2:26

spent a week at the coma on

2:29

a ventilator, his prospects for survival diminishing

2:31

rapidly. On the seventh

2:33

day, to the surprise of everyone, he

2:35

started to awaken. Memories

2:37

of his life had been completely deleted inside

2:39

of the coma, yet he awoke

2:42

with memories of a fantastic odyssey

2:44

deep into another realm, more

2:46

real than this earthly one. His

2:48

older son advised him to write down everything

2:51

he could remember about his journey. He

2:54

read anything about near-death experiences,

2:56

physics, or cosmology. Six

2:59

weeks later, he completed his initial

3:01

recording of this remarkable journey, totaling

3:03

over 20,000 words in length. And

3:07

then he started reading and was

3:09

astonished by the commonalities between

3:11

his journey and so many others

3:14

reported throughout all cultures, continents, and

3:16

millennia. His journey brought

3:18

key insights to the mind-body discussion

3:20

and to our human understanding of

3:22

the fundamental nature of reality. His

3:25

experience clearly revealed that we are unconscious

3:27

in spite of our brain, that in

3:30

fact, consciousness is at the root of

3:32

all existence. In

3:34

his bestselling memoir, Proof of Heaven,

3:37

a neurosurgeon's journey into the afterlife,

3:39

he wrote about near-death experiences and his

3:41

own. And the story behind the

3:44

guide who was with him in the afterlife is

3:46

enough to make you a believer, proving

3:48

the ties the family and love are on

3:50

any. Before he went

3:52

into this journey, he could not reconcile

3:54

his knowledge of neuroscience with any belief in

3:57

heaven, God, or the soul. And

3:59

today, he is a true believer. a doctor who believes

4:01

that true health can be achieved only

4:03

when you realize that God and

4:05

the soul are real and that death is not

4:07

the end of personal existence, but only

4:10

a transition. This story

4:12

would be remarkable no matter who it happened to,

4:15

but that it happened to Dr. Alexander

4:17

makes it revolutionary. No scientist

4:19

or person of faith will be able to ignore

4:21

it and reading it will change your life. His

4:25

story offers a crucial key to

4:27

the understanding of reality and human

4:29

consciousness. It will have a major

4:31

effect on how we view spirituality, soul,

4:34

and the non-material realm. In

4:36

analyzing his experience, including the

4:38

scientific possibilities and grand

4:40

implications, he envisions a

4:42

more complete reconciliation of modern science

4:45

and spirituality as a natural product

4:47

and has been blessed with the

4:49

complete recovery that is inexplicable from

4:52

the viewpoint of modern Western

4:54

medicine. Since his near-death

4:56

experience, Dr. Alexander has dedicated himself

4:59

to sharing information about near-death experiences

5:01

and other spiritually transformative experiences and

5:03

what they teach us about consciousness

5:06

and the nature of reality. He

5:09

continues to promote further research on

5:11

the unifying elements of science and spirituality

5:14

and together with Karen Newell, regularly

5:16

teaches other ways to tap into

5:18

our greater mind and the power

5:20

of the heart to facilitate enhancement

5:22

of healing relationships, creativity, guidance,

5:24

and more. If you are

5:27

somebody right now who is in the thick

5:29

of grief, I do hope that this interview

5:31

will give you a little piece

5:33

of comfort. Now

5:35

I also want to mention to

5:37

you that we do discuss

5:39

elements of reincarnation in this episode. In

5:42

episode 731, I interviewed

5:45

Bruce Leininger, whose son James began

5:47

at the age of two making

5:49

statements and demonstrating behaviors that

5:52

suggested he remembered the life of an American

5:54

pilot killed during World War II, A

5:57

young man who has now been identified as

5:59

one James. The Houston Junior.

6:02

First. And his wife Andrea or the

6:04

coauthors a sole survivor. The. Reincarnation of

6:06

a World War Two fighter. So

6:08

the two books that are discussed

6:10

in this episode again. Are

6:12

proof of haven't by Doctor Eben

6:14

Alexander. And. Even also read: sole

6:17

Survivor the reincarnation of a World

6:19

War Two fighter. By. Bruce Fein

6:21

ensure and and realignment or. Even.

6:23

Also, listen to my episode with Bruce Fein

6:26

ensure an episode Seven Three One. Here

6:28

is my interview with Doctor Eben

6:31

Alexander: Doctor

6:34

Eben Alexander This is a real treat.

6:36

I remember watching the segment of Oprah

6:38

or you talks, buy your books and.

6:40

Your book has been one of those one

6:42

of those reads that has stayed with me

6:44

for very long time and I feel like

6:47

I. Quote. From the Vog and I'm. Full

6:49

story from the book and refer to a

6:51

quite often. And I. Am.

6:53

So glad that I'm with you today because

6:55

the story really as miraculous nothing. It's so

6:57

interesting because there's so many people in our

6:59

lives. That. Are science based

7:02

people. And. The have

7:04

a spiritual conversation is sometimes challenging.

7:06

And I think that you have such a great way of. Perhaps.

7:10

Of. Putting. It into

7:13

a space where I think everybody can

7:15

kind of. Bringing. To

7:17

their conversation their own points of view with

7:19

respect and love. So. First, I want to

7:21

thank you for your buck. Also. Uk. I'm

7:23

so glad it helped you I know

7:25

are. Many. Other people told

7:28

me something similar in same to

7:30

calibrate board to a home a

7:32

spiritual home level. Of

7:34

you can feel comfortable with and I think

7:36

it's important point out that there were thousands

7:38

be be reached at me I'm rooting for

7:40

the Tavern. Or and have a continued

7:43

to do so ever since it came out over

7:45

ten years ago. Ah but

7:47

who really have a reminded them

7:49

of something deep and there's something

7:51

about at the goes beyond the

7:53

words and I think. That's.

7:56

Word serves as a real ah.

8:00

especially for those with a

8:02

scientific mind, because ultimately

8:04

my approach to all of this is

8:06

scientific. That's who I am and it's

8:09

got to make sense. And the good news is

8:11

there's a tremendous amount of this that

8:13

makes more and more sense as we move forward

8:16

as scientific support for the reality,

8:18

not only the afterlife, but

8:21

reincarnation that our souls are eternal

8:23

and keep coming back together in

8:25

these different kind

8:28

of groupings to learn

8:30

and teach the lessons that we're here to learn

8:32

and teach. So it's a

8:34

much grander universe than I ever thought

8:36

possible before my coma, but that's

8:38

just what we have. And it's a gift. Who

8:41

were you before that day

8:43

in November? Well, you

8:46

know, in many ways I kind of

8:48

struggled through my life because my father,

8:50

my adoptive father, who was very influential

8:52

in my life, I pretty much followed

8:54

in his footsteps. He

8:56

was a globally renowned neurosurgeon. And

8:59

yeah, he had grown up, his own father was

9:02

a general surgeon had taken him to a

9:04

Presbyterian church in Eastern Tennessee all of

9:06

his years growing up. And

9:08

so by the time he went off to World

9:11

War II as a combat surgeon, he

9:13

had his pocket Bible, Psalms

9:15

and New Testament that I still have

9:17

at my bedside. And he

9:19

took that with him for more than two years

9:22

overseas during the second world war. And

9:24

I think in many ways that's why

9:26

he came back unscathed as he had

9:28

a long standing belief in the reality

9:30

of God and the power of personal

9:33

prayer. I know he used it a

9:35

lot in his healing as a neurosurgeon.

9:38

For him, it was always very comfortable, you

9:40

know, this loving God and all of science

9:42

that he knew, no conflict, no problem. Well,

9:45

like many of us who grew up in the sixties and

9:47

seventies, I always knew that science was

9:49

a pathway to truth. And like

9:52

so many of today, and especially

9:54

of the 20th century, I made

9:56

the mistake of assuming that a

9:58

Newtonian deterministic form of science was,

10:01

you know, the way the world worked.

10:04

And that is not true. In

10:06

fact, quantum physics has completely

10:08

revolutionized how modern science looks

10:11

at the world, including recognizing

10:14

the primacy of consciousness. And the

10:17

consciousness is not an

10:19

epiphenomenon of the physical workings of

10:21

the brain, but that in fact

10:23

the brain only serves as a

10:25

filter to allow in this primordial

10:27

consciousness that ultimately is all united

10:29

through the binding forces of love.

10:31

That's what we're taught in near-death

10:33

experiences and have been for thousands

10:36

of years across all cultures and

10:38

belief systems. So I

10:40

had come along in that kind

10:42

of scientific upbringing, but not yet

10:44

matured enough to recognize the powerful

10:47

impact of quantum

10:49

physics. And that's where we go in

10:51

our third book, Living in a Mindful

10:53

Universe is the unification of science and

10:55

spirituality through all of this. But for

10:57

me, the gift of

10:59

my near-death experience due to

11:01

a severe case of bacterial

11:04

meningoencephalitis back in 2008 was

11:06

this recognition of the primacy of

11:09

consciousness and that our conscious awareness

11:11

is actually enriched when we're liberated

11:13

from the shackles of the brain

11:15

and body, something I never could

11:17

have suspected before, but through personal

11:19

experience it became very clear. And

11:22

I know from dealing with thousands

11:24

of others who've had similar experiences

11:26

that the amount of evidence supporting

11:28

this is overwhelming. So we're

11:30

all in for an incredible journey of

11:33

awakening and understanding, but

11:35

it demands a much richer

11:37

mission of the kind of

11:39

primacy of consciousness and how we're all

11:41

bound together through that binding force of

11:43

love and through this kind of unified

11:46

conscious field that is the universe. Would

11:49

you have called yourself spiritual at

11:52

all? I know that you weren't religious, but was

11:54

there an element of spirituality that existed? I

11:57

think there was in that I was open-minded.

12:00

I wanted to gather whatever evidence

12:02

I could to make sense of this. And that's

12:04

where I would say most the evidence that I

12:06

seem to be able to gather in my first

12:09

54 years before

12:12

that coma in 2008, just

12:15

led me to question how conscious awareness could survive

12:17

the death of the brain and body. And

12:20

yet now I realize that all the evidence

12:22

is there and

12:24

people just have to take the

12:26

time to study that evidence. I

12:29

mean, one repository of the evidence

12:31

for the strong scientific support of

12:33

the reality of the afterlife and

12:35

reincarnation is at bigelowinstitute.org. If

12:37

you go to that website, you'll find 29 essays

12:40

that were written three

12:42

years ago, all by scientists with more

12:44

than five years of

12:46

rigorous research experience studying the

12:49

afterlife question. And when you

12:51

start reading those 29 essays at

12:53

bigelowinstitute.org, you'll realize we've already moved far

12:55

beyond the question of whether or not

12:58

there's a scientific validation for the reality

13:00

of the afterlife. The

13:03

evidence is there. We need to

13:05

understand much more about how it all

13:08

works and for each and every one

13:10

of us as individual souls, that's a

13:12

wide open question that we can address

13:14

through centering prayer, meditation, going within all

13:17

of the many ways we have of

13:19

exploring that mental aspect of the universe.

13:21

But what you discover when you really

13:23

pay attention to these kind

13:25

of journeys is that we're

13:28

truly eternal souls that

13:30

are linked with each other and

13:32

linked with the God force, the God mind

13:34

of the universe, and

13:37

that we don't have to worry or fear death

13:39

of the physical body because that is not

13:41

the end of conscious awareness. In

13:44

fact, it's an actual liberation, as I just

13:46

said. So

13:49

it's a revolution that I think is

13:51

very empowering to human

13:53

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13:55

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13:57

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So would you mind walking me

15:48

through the process that happened to

15:50

you in November of 2018? Okay,

15:53

well first of all, it's important to point

15:55

out that every

15:57

near-death experience is always tailored for

15:59

the individual. individual who has it. There's

16:01

no other reason for them. And

16:04

that helps you to understand much more about

16:06

them. Although when we study them in large

16:08

numbers, we find a tremendous amount of kind

16:10

of overlap and similarities to

16:12

suggest that they are truly teaching us

16:14

of just a higher realm of existence

16:17

that we all have access to. Now

16:19

for me, that very atypical

16:21

feature of the journey was amnesia.

16:25

And I guess you could say for

16:27

a neurosurgeon, a neuroscientist fascinated with a

16:29

brain-mind connection and nature reality, that

16:32

having a very deep dive that

16:34

involved amnesia and loss of all

16:36

memories would be very instructive. Especially

16:39

when all those memories then came

16:41

back over about two months post-coma,

16:43

which was a beautiful demonstration that memories are

16:45

not even stored in the brain. Something we

16:48

discuss in our book, Living in a Mindful

16:50

Universe. But starting out

16:52

in the setting of pure amnesia without

16:54

any language, any knowledge

16:57

of Earth or humanity, that's where

16:59

I was. And in that

17:01

realm, it started

17:03

in what I call the Earth One's Eye View,

17:05

a very primitive course, kind of unresponsive realm. Good

17:08

news is I didn't stay there forever. I

17:11

was rescued by a slowly spinning white light.

17:14

It came in the package with a perfect musical

17:16

melody. And it opened up like a rip in

17:18

the fabric of that ugly Earth One, my view,

17:20

and led up into this brilliant

17:23

ultra-real gateway valley. Now,

17:25

important to point out for people, many

17:28

people assume about a near-death

17:30

experience that it's going to

17:32

be vague and murky and

17:34

dreamlike. Well, this world, our

17:36

material world in these bodies

17:38

is vague and murky and

17:40

dreamlike. That world is sharp,

17:42

clear, defined, detailed, meaningful, transformational,

17:44

powerful. You realize why people

17:46

pay so much attention to

17:48

these stories is how much

17:50

they transform our lives completely,

17:53

serve as a catalyst to allow our

17:55

souls to get into much higher levels of existence,

17:57

to learn the lessons we came here to do.

18:00

to learn. And that's what I was in the process

18:02

of going through and ascending

18:05

up to this gateway valley. And

18:07

I was a speck of awareness

18:10

on a butterfly wing or millions

18:12

of other butterflies looping and spiraling

18:14

in fast formations, colors beyond the

18:16

rainbow. And below us was this

18:19

beautiful meadow, thousands of beings, souls

18:21

between lives, dancing, joy, merriment, children

18:24

playing dogs, jumping in incredible festivities,

18:26

all being fueled because up above

18:29

were these swooping orbs of pure

18:31

angelic wires, emanating chants and anthem

18:33

hymns that would thunder through my

18:36

awareness. It's an incredible sense

18:38

of joy and birth. I mean,

18:40

it is what you'd expect for

18:43

a heavenly realm. And

18:45

I remember I wasn't

18:47

alone on the butterfly wing. That's one of

18:49

the most important parts of the story. And

18:51

of course, those who read the book, Proof

18:53

of Heaven, will realize how crucial my adoption

18:55

history is. I was put up for adoption

18:57

when I was 11 days old. But

19:00

my birth mother who was 16 years old

19:02

and unwed, didn't really want to

19:04

let me go. Social services had taken me and

19:06

wouldn't give me back to her. But then she

19:08

wouldn't let me go until she

19:11

signed the papers. And she wasn't willing to do

19:13

that for about four months. So I got stuck

19:15

in kind of a little purgatory in a baby

19:17

dorm for four months waiting to

19:19

be adopted. Now, I'm

19:21

not looking for any sympathy. I was adopted to

19:24

a wonderful, loving family that honored all my hopes

19:26

and dreams. But the other thing I can tell

19:28

you is that adoption, abandonment

19:30

wound can be very severe and you

19:32

don't recognize it. It's subconscious. And

19:35

so for much of my life, there was

19:37

a doubt as to whether or not I

19:39

was worthy of love, given that my own

19:41

birth mother had left me behind at age

19:43

11 days. All

19:45

that figures in dramatically to the bigger telling of

19:47

the story. I don't have time to go into

19:49

all of it. But on

19:51

this butterfly wing, there was

19:53

a beautiful young woman with sparkling blue

19:55

eyes, high forehead, high cheekbone, broad

19:57

smile. She never sent a word to

19:59

me. had to me. Had to, but she

20:01

looked at me with a look of pure love and

20:03

with that look, her thought, awareness,

20:06

emotional knowing came into my awareness as

20:08

a pure shared consciousness. And the message

20:10

to me, you are deeply loved and

20:13

shared forever. You have nothing to fear.

20:15

You're richly cared for. I cannot tell

20:17

you how reassuring and validating it was

20:20

in that moment, how

20:22

completely affirming it was in my

20:24

spiritual home that I was feeling

20:26

in that experience. And

20:29

it's at that point that

20:31

I remember this soft summer breeze that

20:33

blew through. And that breeze was my

20:35

first knowing of the infinite

20:37

loving power that defined God for us.

20:40

It permeated every bit of these realms

20:43

that I was witnessing. And I remember then

20:46

seeing that all of four-dimensional space-time,

20:48

that kind of material world below

20:50

us, all of that collapsed down.

20:52

And then all of this rich

20:54

spiritual realm, this gateway valley. And

20:57

I'll remind people, this would be, for example, where

20:59

your life would flash before your eyes. Life

21:02

reviews, which are described in 25 to 50% of

21:05

the NDEs, depending on the series

21:07

across all history. But in the

21:09

life review, the important thing is

21:11

you can have birth, death, everything

21:14

in between simultaneously available to you

21:16

for reliving, not just remembering. And

21:18

so the life review, it's a beautiful example of

21:22

how we're

21:24

all in this together and we're bound

21:26

together through the forces of love. The

21:28

reason I could say that is when

21:30

you study life reviews in large numbers,

21:33

as Bruce Grayson has, he's a skeptical

21:35

psychiatrist who's studied near-death experiences for over

21:37

45 years. And he wrote

21:40

an article in the fall of

21:42

2021 in the

21:44

Journal of Near-Death Studies, looking at almost 700 life

21:49

reviews in his thousands of NDE reports. And

21:51

the important thing he points out is something

21:53

like 74% of them talk

21:55

about experiencing the life review from

21:58

all perspectives of all involved. very

22:01

important, not just your own. So

22:03

if you've been busy handing out pain and

22:05

suffering to others, being selfish and greedy, in

22:08

your life review, you experience what that

22:10

feels like from others perspective. So

22:13

it's the golden rule written into the fabric

22:15

of the universe. That's what these life reviews

22:17

are. Treat others as you would like to

22:20

be treated. And although I didn't witness an

22:22

Eben Alexander life review, I had this beautiful

22:24

set of visions, the flying fish, and then

22:27

especially the Indris net vision of

22:30

our interwoven soul lines and how

22:32

they're all interconnected in this process

22:35

by which we learn and teach each

22:37

other through these multiple lifetimes. But

22:39

that ultimately it leads us towards oneness

22:41

with that God consciousness. And that I

22:44

believe is what is the purpose for

22:46

our existence, is this deeper and richer

22:48

understanding. And that's what I was just

22:50

beginning to glimpse as I saw all

22:53

of this collapsing down, including that deep

22:55

time or metatime that allows for a

22:57

completely different temporal ordering of events. It's

22:59

one of the reasons why people say

23:02

that NDEs are ineffable. We

23:04

can't use our language sufficiently

23:06

to explain them because they're far

23:09

too extraordinary for that kind of thing. And

23:12

in so many ways that is true, but

23:15

it's one of the reasons why we encourage

23:17

people to meditate, centering prayer, different ways of

23:19

going within to get to

23:21

this kind of knowledge on a personal basis. Now

23:23

in my journey, what happened

23:26

next was the angelic fires provided

23:28

yet another musical portal. So as

23:30

all of those realms collapsed that

23:32

I'd been through, I

23:34

opened into the core realm. The core

23:36

was an infinite inky blackness that fills

23:39

the overflowing with that divine love of

23:41

that infinitely loving God force. And

23:44

I came to recognize in the core that

23:46

my very conscious awareness was

23:48

sourced in that God force. And people

23:51

often think that your religious beliefs will

23:53

yield the material of your NDE. That

23:55

is not so. The material

23:57

of your NDE is from the experience it's.

24:00

And it will often modify your religious

24:02

beliefs. For example, I was brought up

24:04

in a conventional Methodist church in North

24:06

Carolina where, no, I would not have

24:08

entertained thoughts of becoming absolute one with

24:10

that God force, which is what happened

24:12

to me during my NDE. And

24:15

likewise, I was never shown any kind

24:17

of religious system

24:21

of reincarnation. None

24:23

of that made any sense to me. And

24:25

yet from my NDE, it was crystal clear

24:27

that reincarnation was absolutely essential to understand any

24:29

of this. There's no way

24:31

you could have sufficient soul growth in

24:33

one lifetime so that you could expect

24:35

that that would be the broad pattern

24:38

that we'd all come here for one

24:40

incarnation in the eternal heaven or hell

24:42

or obliteration or what have you.

24:45

But that it requires multiple passages

24:48

through this. And I would say a general litmus

24:50

test for how advanced a soul is in that

24:52

journey is how altruistic,

24:56

philanthropic and loving of others they

24:58

are. That would be a very

25:00

advanced soul as opposed to a

25:02

narcissistic, greedy, selfish, very early in

25:04

the game soul and

25:06

everything in between. So anyway, in the

25:08

core realm, I was told,

25:10

we'll teach you many things. You'll be going back.

25:13

And that's where I had these visions, like

25:16

of the Ender's net and of the flying

25:18

fish, et cetera. But I was always cycling

25:20

through these realms and I would tumble back

25:22

down to that earth for my view. And

25:24

it was by remembering the musical notes I

25:26

could control that melody. So all this is

25:28

a very long, much

25:30

longer story than I want to go

25:32

into right now. So

25:34

I'll just tell you how it kind of came

25:36

to an end in that coma journey during the

25:39

seven days of coma. And

25:41

the important, another important thing to point out about that

25:44

is that there's a medical case report that

25:46

validates and affirms all the medical facts I

25:48

pointed out in proof of heaven that

25:50

to me were so mystifying. And the medical

25:52

case report was written by three doctors, not

25:55

involved in my care, but fascinated

25:57

by my recovery came out September, 2018.

26:00

Journal of Nervous and Mental Diseases. And in that

26:02

case report, it's made quite clear

26:04

that that brain was in no shape to

26:06

harbor any kind of dream or hallucination. And

26:09

then of course, when challenged by the peer

26:11

review editors, how do you explain this

26:13

case? How did he have this recovery that's

26:16

unprecedented in the medical literature? They said

26:18

it's because he had a near-death experience. And

26:20

they knew of other cases like that,

26:22

of a near-death experience associated with a miraculous

26:24

healing. Miraculous because we can't explain

26:26

it in our modern Western medical explanations.

26:29

And yet the healing is right there.

26:32

So at any rate, I would cycle

26:34

through all these levels, always

26:36

coming back up through that beautiful Gateway

26:38

Valley with that guardian angel always reassuring

26:41

me. But then as I

26:43

said, there came a time when I could no longer conjure

26:45

up that melody and could

26:47

no longer exit from that earth from my view

26:49

up into the higher levels. To say I was

26:51

sad would be an understatement, but I also knew

26:53

I could trust that I would be taken

26:55

care of. And that's when I witnessed thousands

26:57

of beings going off around the distance, heads

26:59

bowed, murmuring energy coming from them. And

27:02

that energy was giving me the same

27:04

kind of bliss and love and sense

27:06

of belonging there that I'd already felt

27:08

earlier in the Gateway Valley and in

27:10

the core. And yet now I was

27:12

feeling it because of all these, this energy,

27:15

these beings around me, which I called in

27:17

my writings weeks later, the power of prayer.

27:19

That's what I was witnessing very directly. And

27:21

the very last thing before I came back

27:23

to this world were the six faces

27:25

I saw that would bubble up out of the mark

27:28

towards the very end of the journey, say a few

27:30

words and disappear. My amnesia

27:32

was still powerful. So I did not understand

27:34

the words, but in general, they were leading

27:36

me back towards this world. And it was

27:38

the last of those faces that was the

27:40

most important. They

27:43

all served important roles because they showed me

27:45

the vast majority of the coma journey had

27:47

to happen between days one and four or

27:49

one in five of my seven day coma.

27:51

All that timing's explained in the books. And

27:56

then it turns out though, the last face I

27:58

saw was the most important. was a 10

28:00

year old boy. That was

28:02

Sunday morning, day seven of coma. The doctors

28:04

had held a family conference where they said

28:07

I'd gone from a 10% chance of survival

28:09

down to 2% but with no chance of

28:11

recovery. So it was time to

28:13

stop the ventilator, to stop my

28:15

antibiotics and let me go. When Bond overheard that,

28:17

he knew things were much worse than he'd been

28:19

told. He kept running down the hallway, pulled

28:22

open my eyelids. One

28:24

night looking over there, went over there, he had

28:26

a pupil working. Anybody

28:28

in medicine knows that's a terrible,

28:30

terrible picture. But

28:32

at any rate, I didn't

28:35

hear him with my ears or see him with my

28:37

eyes, but he was pleading with me. Daddy

28:39

gonna be okay, daddy gonna be okay as if somehow

28:41

that would make it so. And that's

28:44

what drew me back to this world. And

28:46

it was my, turns out that was my

28:48

son Bond. That was the influence. Even though

28:50

I didn't remember who he was, that connection,

28:52

but there was something about the sensing of

28:54

his pleading with me that I was gonna

28:56

be okay, that I had a responsibility to

28:58

another soul out there. And that's what drew

29:01

me back to this world. Now, when I

29:03

came, when I woke up on that ICU

29:05

bed, my brain was still so savage by

29:07

the meningitis. I did not recognize my mother,

29:09

my sisters, my sons at the bedside. I

29:12

had no idea who these beings were. And

29:14

I love how my youngest sister Phyllis told

29:16

me, she got there about 20 or 30

29:18

minutes after I, they extubated me when I

29:20

was waking up. And

29:22

I don't remember much of that, as

29:24

I was in and out of a

29:26

paranoid, delusional psychotic nightmare for 36 hours

29:28

after extubation. But

29:30

I remembered enough to know that I thought all

29:33

of that was delusional, compared to what

29:35

happened deep in the middle of coma, which

29:37

was sharp, crisp memories, as alive today as

29:39

if the whole thing happened yesterday. And

29:42

yet those are very different from the

29:44

memories that came right after coming out

29:46

of coma that disappeared from my memory

29:48

within about two weeks. And

29:51

all the memories came back over about

29:53

too much time, including on my language,

29:55

neurosurgical knowledge, et cetera. And I spent

29:57

the 15 years since that time

29:59

working. working with scientists around the world and

30:03

writing these books and giving these presentations

30:05

to try and help the world up

30:07

to a scientific revolution that's

30:09

occurring right now that has to do with

30:11

the primacy of consciousness and the

30:13

eternity of soul. And so

30:16

for me, that has been an extraordinary

30:18

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circle back to the story of when

31:57

you're on the back of the butterfly and there's this

31:59

guardian angel. angel with you, then what happened?

32:02

Know that from my perspective, I

32:04

knew that woman so beautiful because

32:07

of her emotional mind meld with me

32:09

during the journey and her message to

32:11

me. And yet, when I

32:13

woke up from coma, and

32:16

then I remember telling my oldest son, who

32:18

was majoring in neuroscience at the time, it

32:22

was way too real to be real. And that's

32:25

because my doctors had already clued me in. They

32:28

said, we don't understand how you're coming back to us.

32:30

We thought you were going to die for sure,

32:32

but you can forget about it because the dying

32:35

brain plays all kinds of tricks. That was kind

32:37

of the lead they gave me. So when I

32:39

talked to my son about it, I said, must've

32:41

been some giant trick, but wow, what a hallucination.

32:43

But that was before I knew all the

32:46

information about how damaged my brain was.

32:48

My brain was in no shape to

32:50

have a hallucination or dream. So

32:52

where did this come from? That was

32:55

the big mystery. And of course, my

32:58

son told me, write everything

33:00

down about your experience before you

33:02

read anybody else's NDE. That

33:04

was extremely good advice. I wrote about 20,000

33:07

words over six weeks. And only then did

33:09

I dive into the NDE literature. And that's

33:11

where I was shocked to find that that

33:13

kind of guardian angel or spiritual guide,

33:15

like my young woman on the butterfly

33:17

wing, was always somebody of great importance

33:19

to you in life. And I

33:22

knew her so well from the connection. And

33:24

yet I also knew that I'd never met

33:26

her in my life. That part

33:28

was a huge challenge to me.

33:30

In fact, almost a deal breaker.

33:32

Because in fact, my adoptive father,

33:34

the globally renowned neurosurgeon, had passed

33:36

over four years before my coma.

33:39

And if I had scripted this, he would have

33:41

been there as a spiritual guide front and center,

33:44

but he was nowhere to be found. That's

33:46

an extremely kind of deep and complex

33:48

part of the story that I go

33:50

into in a special detail in the

33:52

third book, In Living in a Mindful

33:54

Universe, because I did encounter my father's

33:56

soul in a meditation using sacred acoustics,

33:59

binaural brainwave and... about two

34:01

and a half years after my coma, and

34:03

got a very clear message from him

34:06

during that meditation as to why he

34:08

was not, quote, apparent to me during

34:10

my DE. But it's only because

34:13

he knew I would be more tempted to dismiss

34:15

it all if I

34:17

had such a recognizable spirit guide

34:19

as himself, and therefore my

34:21

spirit guide had to be someone unknown

34:23

to me. And yet, as

34:25

you're leading to, and you're kind of

34:27

asking this question, I'm not gonna kind

34:29

of fully answer that, but the reality

34:31

is it's deeply linked to my adoption

34:33

story, and the fact that I met

34:35

my adoptive family one

34:38

year before my coma, and that I

34:41

had a birth sister named Kathy, who

34:43

promised to send me a picture of a

34:45

lost birth sister, and that arrived

34:47

four months post-coma. And those are enough

34:50

clues. I don't wanna spoil the whole

34:52

thing for your audience, because it's an

34:54

incredibly rich and beautiful part

34:56

of the story. But yes, I had

34:59

a discovery four months post-coma that nailed

35:01

it home to me. Why

35:03

this way too real to be real is

35:06

because it really happened. And

35:08

that took me a long time to acknowledge

35:10

and confess to, but yes, the

35:12

facts line up so beautifully that

35:15

this really happened, and it involved that

35:17

beautiful lost sister. Do

35:19

you ever feel burdened because you've had this

35:22

incredible experience, and there

35:24

is a world out there that, a

35:27

lot of people that disbelieve in a life after, do

35:30

you ever feel burdened having this information and just

35:33

wanting to scream at everyone, like there's

35:35

more to this? No, I don't

35:37

think it's a burden at all. I think it's really just

35:39

a gift. And I've

35:41

certainly caught some flack, because as a

35:43

scientist, some

35:46

people think the scientific world would

35:48

doubt all this. Well, it turns

35:50

out the greatest support that

35:52

I've received over the last 15 years has

35:55

been from the scientific community. Go

35:57

to places like Galileo commission. org

36:01

or scientific and medical net. These

36:03

are both scientific groups on which

36:05

I'm served as an advisor on

36:07

the advisory board, but you'll see

36:09

that there's a tremendous revolution in

36:11

science. It is all about this

36:14

reality of the afterlife. I

36:16

mentioned earlier Bigelow Institute org.

36:19

That is a website that has 29 winning

36:22

scientific essays. All you have to

36:24

do is go start reading them

36:26

and you'll realize it's already been

36:28

established beyond any reasonable scientific doubt

36:30

that the afterlife and reincarnation are

36:33

real. Now the thing is

36:35

about reincarnation, the evidence from

36:37

UVA is overwhelming, has

36:39

been accumulated over the last six or seven

36:41

decades, and of the 2,700 cases

36:43

of past life memories in children that they've

36:48

investigated, 1,700 are solved.

36:50

That is, they actually found the person

36:53

the child is describing. And when

36:55

you read that literature, you realize

36:57

there's no question about the reality

37:00

of the afterlife. But important to

37:02

point out as Jim Tucker and Ian

37:04

Stevenson, the two lead investigators from UVA

37:06

over these decades, will tell you that

37:08

you must harvest those memories before age

37:10

five or six, because at

37:13

that age those memories start to

37:15

disappear. They're covered over by natural

37:17

processes. So by the time they're

37:19

teenagers or adults, those kids don't

37:21

remember those past lives or between

37:23

lives anymore. Now there are ways

37:26

to recover the memories. They can

37:28

come back to a near-death experience

37:30

through hypnotic regression, through meditation

37:33

and centering prayer. There are ways we

37:35

can recover those past life memories. But

37:38

to most of us as adults, we

37:40

say, no, I don't remember past lives.

37:42

What are you talking about? But that's

37:44

because they're naturally covered over. It's a

37:47

process I call programmed forgetting. And it's

37:49

part of the deep mystery of all of this. We

37:51

would like to think that anything we encounter In

37:54

this world or in the spiritual

37:56

world would be remembered forever completely.

37:58

Well, that's not necessarily. Really So

38:00

and so this is all a question

38:02

about coming to cultivate a relationship or

38:05

that realm and get to know at

38:07

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38:09

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38:12

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39:02

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39:04

of deep meditative spaces and be

39:06

very empowering and the are healing

39:08

really and so many ways. Five

39:11

highly encourage people develop a mode

39:13

of of meditations. which ultimately it

39:15

means that you're acknowledging that the

39:17

little voice in your head is

39:19

not your consciousness. I. Love

39:21

how Michael singer his book the

39:23

Untethered Solely call said voice your

39:25

heads you're annoying room mate Sen

39:27

as at At and let's move

39:29

on from that because it's your

39:31

awareness of that of those thoughts

39:34

that so important and that awareness

39:36

is basically a property of the

39:38

universe and you can explore that

39:40

dramatically. ah through meditation center in

39:42

prayer And this is why urge

39:44

people to start exploring consciousness. You

39:46

will be greatly rewarded with what

39:48

do with by. The

39:50

youngest of my five. Children his eyes and

39:52

see has spoken to me ah

39:54

last few months about her past

39:56

life. Will. Good right? Sig

39:58

Sauer Know I am. Yeah, absolutely. And

40:01

recording her conversations, I reported.

40:03

That's excellent. I love it. And the more

40:05

people do that, the more we'll all come

40:07

to realize as a culture that we've all

40:10

been here before. And

40:12

it's, it's good because it's all leading in

40:14

a positive direction. This is not a

40:16

kind of a look at reincarnation

40:18

that is kind of a blind

40:20

mechanistic wheel, like say, for example,

40:22

some Buddhist interpretations of reincarnation, but

40:25

it's one that's much more filled

40:27

with grace and growth and transformation

40:29

that involves that finding force of love

40:32

and how we're all connected to learn

40:34

and teach each other lessons

40:37

through these bodies that we live

40:39

in these lifetime, even with this

40:42

program forgetting, but we can come to

40:44

know more and more about our connection

40:46

with the universe at large and how

40:48

ultimately it is all about love, kindness,

40:51

compassion, mercy, acceptance, when necessary, forgiveness.

40:53

These are the principles to live

40:55

by and near death experiences are

40:57

valuable, not just for teaching us

40:59

what happens when we die, but

41:02

most especially for teaching us how

41:04

to live every breath and moment

41:06

of this life by loving and

41:08

caring for ourselves and each other,

41:11

all of our fellow beings. My

41:13

last question is simple yet complex. What

41:15

do you know to be true? But

41:17

I know to be true is that

41:19

love is the most important ingredient of

41:22

this life. It's something that

41:24

we have the power to share.

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It brings us into healing, holiness,

41:28

love, completeness. This is where

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we kind of come to be the souls we came here

41:32

to be by acknowledging this

41:34

connection, this kind of

41:36

scientifically validated form of

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one consciousness, primordial mind

41:43

and that this is what it's all about. And

41:45

we're here to evolve and transform

41:47

consciousness through this much grander vision

41:49

of who we are and not

41:51

that limited kind of false sense

41:54

of separation of materialism, which has

41:56

come damn close to destroying our

41:58

culture. But through this, awaken

42:00

quantum informed vision of consciousness

42:02

and of the connectedness we

42:04

share through love, we will

42:06

transform this planet truly

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into a heavenly of ever

42:12

after where we're all witness

42:15

to this beautiful kind of force

42:17

of love and kindness and compassion.

42:20

Where can people find your books, your writings and

42:22

more about you? Well

42:24

at ebonebonalexander.com, I especially

42:27

recommend the FAQ page.

42:30

A lot of issues there that are often

42:32

brought up in the press are clarified. There's

42:35

also a recommended reading list that has

42:37

a lot of hot links, scientific papers,

42:39

etc. More than 100 articles

42:42

and books mentioned in that reading

42:44

list. It's all categorized. So

42:47

a very helpful resource in learning about a lot

42:49

of these things. And then

42:51

also lists of many interviews and

42:54

presentations and conferences, things like that.

42:57

All at ebonalexander.com. Don't miss the

42:59

33-day journey into the heart of consciousness. It's

43:01

right there on the welcome page. That's

43:04

a 33-day email group campaign that

43:07

will bring you right up to speed very

43:09

quickly with many of the principles discussed in

43:11

our book, Living in a Mindful Universe. All

43:13

the books are also available there as well

43:15

as a lot of

43:17

the recommendations. They've been heavily endorsed by

43:19

the scientific community and by others,

43:21

other experiencers. I

43:23

would also urge people to go to

43:26

sacredacoustics.com to learn more about the meditation

43:28

and note that Anna Eustom's work was

43:30

based on the whole mind bundle, which

43:32

is available at sacredacoustics.com at a very

43:34

discounted price. In fact, I think Karen

43:37

still has it available with

43:39

a free button. So zero cost for

43:42

people who are struggling with anxiety

43:44

during pandemic and during the post-pandemic

43:46

economic issues. And

43:49

then the last website

43:51

I would mention is

43:53

intersanctomcenter.com. That's I-N-N-E-R, sanctomcenter.com.

43:56

And that is really through Karen's brilliance, but

43:58

that's a site that has multiple offerings from

44:01

both of us, and

44:03

includes like the mental health practitioner course we

44:05

did with Dr. Anna Youssef, that's

44:07

available at a cost on that,

44:09

innersanctumcenter.com. But likewise, there's a monthly

44:12

webinar with all of our big

44:14

fans that you can

44:16

participate in via innersanctumcenter.com, as well

44:18

as more than two years worth

44:20

of biweekly interviews with thought leaders

44:23

on consciousness and other experiences around

44:25

the world during the pandemic. All

44:27

those interviews available for free at

44:30

innersanctumcenter.com. So I

44:32

hope people will engage, reach out to

44:34

us through innersanctumcenter.com, evanalexander.com,

44:38

and sacredacoustics.com.

44:41

I can't thank you enough. I really appreciate you sharing your

44:44

story. Well, my pleasure, and it's

44:46

so good talking to you, Kate, and thanks

44:48

for doing what you do to get this

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out there. I'm

44:53

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