(SPOILERS)  I begin by talking about the timing of when these podcasts were recorded (last Friday) in relation to Kurt's IG story from yesterday that seems to contradict what Carolyn says on the podcast.  I also talk about tonight's "Bachelor" finale and what to expect the next 24 hrs or so.  Then Annie joins me (12:15) to discuss how she got cast, how the edit clearly made her everyone's front runner, how she felt about Steven, was she as shocked as everyone else was at the finale, and much, much more.  Then Carolyn comes on (54:09) and lets loose.  What you know want to know, she answers, and doesn't hold back in regards to Kurt on the show, Kurt post show, has there been a reklinding, what's her relationship with some of the women, and what's in store for her future.

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