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it's time for Rebel Force Radio. We

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3:02

us. Now

3:09

pay no attention to that intro. This

3:12

isn't just your regular Rebel Force Radio. No,

3:15

no, no. It is

3:17

a live after show. Yeah, there's new

3:19

Star Wars content on Disney Plus. But

3:23

we've got to have our say. We can't

3:25

just let new Disney Plus Star Wars

3:27

content show up without us sticking

3:30

our nose into it, right? And

3:33

I will say, if the good folks at

3:35

Lucasfilm want to have a proper,

3:39

a proper tales

3:41

of Rebel Force Radio after show intro,

3:44

they really got to commit to the

3:46

format here. They're jumping all around. Tales

3:48

of the Jedi, tales of the Empire.

3:50

Give us something to work with and

3:52

then we can create a an

3:55

intro. Well, intro is not withstanding. It's great to

3:57

be back with you all, especially live. We love

3:59

doing. that life here on YouTube.

4:02

And yeah, looking back at the

4:04

big drop on May the 4th,

4:07

Tales of the Empire, we got to see,

4:09

well really what it is, is it's

4:12

one woman's origin and another

4:14

woman's destiny. So

4:17

we're going to be breaking that all down. Six

4:19

episodes, quite a bit of content actually, when you

4:21

add up all the minutes. But

4:23

most importantly, we want to hear from you. We're going

4:25

to be following along in the live chat. We're going

4:28

to be making your phone calls, and

4:31

maybe even telling a tale

4:33

or two from our escapades in

4:35

Bristol CT over the weekend. So

4:37

anyway, so glad that you're checking

4:39

in with us here, Rebel Force

4:41

Radio and the Tales of the

4:43

Empire After Show. If you're new

4:45

to the program, introductions may be in order. If

4:48

so, my name is Jason. And with me,

4:50

as always, my good friend and yours from

4:52

Chicago, Jimmy Mack. Hey

4:54

Jason, hey Star Wars fans. We're back in

4:56

the saddle again for another after show. And

5:00

happening much sooner than I think we even

5:02

thought. Bad Batch wrapped

5:04

up. Acolyte is still next

5:06

month, and there will be after shows

5:08

for Acolyte. Whether you like

5:10

it or not. And believe

5:13

me, everyone's mind is made up. We

5:16

haven't aired a single episode, and everybody

5:18

knows what they think about the Acolyte.

5:21

Even I think I know what I think about

5:23

the Acolyte. Oh good, yeah. Why

5:25

even bother what? Right, right. But

5:28

yeah, we're going to dive into Tales of the

5:30

Empire for this particular after show.

5:33

And we're going to break it all down and

5:35

then open up the phone lines so you hear

5:37

what you guys think about this

5:40

six part animated anthology

5:44

that, yeah Jason, I would like to

5:46

see a greater commitment to

5:48

this series. And

5:50

if they do do that, I will create

5:53

a show open appropriate

5:55

for that series. Otherwise what are we to do? We

5:58

don't know. We don't know what the next... of

6:00

is gonna be. We

6:03

don't know. I'm still hearing it's gonna be

6:05

Tales of the Jedi this year. They're

6:08

gonna drop another series

6:10

of season I guess of Tales

6:12

of the Jedi. I have a hard time calling

6:14

them seasons. I just look at

6:16

it as six parts of one thing as opposed

6:19

to you know individual

6:21

episodes of a certain season of

6:24

a program. Well I got a

6:26

question for you though. Yeah. Two

6:29

arcs. Certainly the Morgan Elsbeth

6:31

episodes wouldn't have fit but

6:34

the Barris Offee three-parter would have definitely fit

6:36

in a Tales of the Jedi season two.

6:40

Yes. Yes. I guess it's

6:43

all the perspective from which it's being

6:45

told from because

6:47

Barris had left the order and was

6:50

imprisoned by the Empire and she

6:52

was encountering Inquisitors who are former

6:55

Jedi of course but

6:57

they have committed themselves to the dark

6:59

side in the Empire so

7:02

nobody's really telling it from

7:04

a Jedi perspective. Very

7:07

few Jedi even show up in this. So the

7:09

perspective of the of the storytelling is what matters

7:11

is I was thinking well you know they dealt

7:13

with Count Dooku in the Tales

7:15

of the Empire or excuse me Tales of the Jedi

7:18

season one. True. But that

7:20

was really during his Jedi days. Yeah.

7:23

Yeah. Well. Well yes it was.

7:26

Yeah. It was. Yeah. So I think

7:28

they could have they could have done it but I kept

7:30

asking myself I said

7:32

self why these two characters

7:35

and why these two characters together and

7:38

Morgan Elsbeth makes a lot of sense. You know

7:41

we're in between Ahsoka seasons

7:43

we know we have a green

7:45

lit Ahsoka season two. I'm more

7:47

convinced than ever that we haven't seen the

7:49

end of Morgan Elsbeth. I think she's gonna

7:51

be part of the resurrected witches. Just

7:54

my feeling. But even if that's

7:56

not the case it does help. When

8:00

you go back and watch Ahsoka season one

8:02

it does help you understand that that character's

8:05

motivations a bit and how she met Thrawn

8:07

and what was going on there on Corvus

8:09

so that makes all the sense in the

8:11

world But then I was like okay, but

8:13

why bear us offy unless Because

8:16

I don't think that Barris is gonna show

8:18

up in any kind of Future

8:21

or immediate future content. I

8:24

think it's something that had been knocking around

8:26

for a while Maybe it

8:28

was gonna be part of that tales of the

8:30

Jedi season 2 and They

8:33

thought okay. Well, I think we can probably squeeze this

8:35

in tales of the Empire Like you said Jeff it's

8:37

all from a certain point of view who's telling the

8:39

story what the perspective is so

8:41

I kind of feel like Barris was a was meant

8:44

for a season 2 of tales of the Jedi and

8:47

Then they had this Elsbeth idea Because

8:49

they want to set up and I

8:51

think they realize that people need a

8:53

little help They need some handles going

8:55

into Ahsoka season 2 coming out of

8:57

season 1 and why not start now

8:59

plus Thrawn is a hot character That

9:01

gives him some screen time. They can

9:03

build that Clone Wars style model of

9:05

Thrawn So I

9:08

think half was already sort of I don't want

9:10

to say it was in the can But I

9:12

think they had had the idea previously and then

9:14

half was about what do we need to help?

9:17

Fill in some gaps with the current storytelling.

9:19

I don't think it

9:21

was as strategic

9:24

as As you're kind of portraying it

9:26

as being as far as the rollout

9:28

of these stories who they're gonna choose

9:30

to tell ya I think it's all

9:34

Dave Filoni taking a page out

9:36

of George Lucas's book really George

9:39

Created the prequels because he had

9:41

additional story to tell that

9:44

Provided a foundation for the original

9:46

trilogy in this case. I think

9:49

Filoni had stories knocking around in his head

9:51

a Fully

9:53

fleshed out backstory for Morgan Ellsbyth, which

9:55

was 100% necessary in my opinion And

10:02

he had a fate

10:05

in his head for Barris Offee, because

10:08

we never see what happens to

10:10

Barris after that season finale, season

10:12

five finale of the Cologne Wars.

10:16

When Ahsoka walks away from the

10:18

Jedi Order and there's a trial

10:20

and Barris admits to

10:22

losing faith in the Jedi, as a

10:24

matter of fact, more than just losing

10:26

faith in the Jedi, Barris believed that

10:29

the Jedi were serving the dark side

10:31

and the Jedi were fully responsible for

10:33

the Clone War and everything that happened

10:36

in it. She felt like

10:38

they were being agents of evil and

10:41

decided to stop it from within

10:43

by bombing the Jedi Temple and

10:45

pinning it on Ahsoka Tano. And

10:48

she also tried to pin it on

10:50

a massage of interest as well, but

10:53

Anakin Skywalker blew that story out of

10:55

the water. So

10:57

Barris was presumably

10:59

convicted. We never see her trial

11:01

or anything like that, but we

11:03

do see her admit to

11:05

an open court that she

11:09

was responsible. And she had no regrets.

11:11

You know, it wasn't like, oh, I feel real

11:13

bad about it. Or

11:16

you know, I've seen the light. And

11:18

of course that led, I mean, when

11:20

you bring up that whole arc,

11:23

I mean, Ahsoka is an

11:25

extraordinarily consequential character and

11:28

by extension, her leaving

11:30

the Jedi Order is hugely important

11:32

in her story. And

11:35

Barris Offee is at the center

11:37

of that. So yeah, so good,

11:40

good points about why her

11:42

and, and, um, and I think you're right.

11:44

I think that, uh, Dave is, you know,

11:46

he is now the George Lucas to, to,

11:48

to a great degree at

11:50

Lucasfilm. And he's got

11:53

these characters and these, uh,

11:56

story ideas, and he's going to make sure that

11:58

they have, and I'm going to have happy for

12:00

that. He's going to make sure that they get

12:02

told. Speaking of tales,

12:04

let's do a quick tale of the tapes. I

12:07

do love to give the creatives the credit that

12:09

they deserve. A lot

12:11

of familiar names throughout

12:13

these six episodes. But

12:15

if we look at the

12:18

first three episodes, we've got

12:20

directors, Nathaniel Villanueva and

12:22

Stuart Lee. Nathaniel

12:24

with the first and the third episode,

12:27

Amanda Rose Munoz

12:30

writing all of them in the

12:33

Morgan Elsbeth arc. And

12:36

we've got 43 minutes

12:39

of content in that arc. So

12:41

43 minutes original premiere date, of

12:43

course, May the 4th, 2024. Then

12:46

we get into the back half.

12:48

We've got Sol Ruiz, Stuart

12:50

Lee and Nathaniel Villanueva all

12:52

directing their episodes. And

12:55

Matt McNivits writing episodes

12:58

five and six. And here's a

13:00

new name, not that

13:02

new, but check this out. So episode

13:05

four devoted written by

13:07

Nicholas Anastasia.

13:10

Anastasia. Now, this

13:12

is a name. This guy's been with

13:15

ILM for a while. He goes back to

13:17

the Phantom Menace, actually had an on screen

13:19

role in Attack

13:21

of the Clones. He's the Jedi that

13:23

throws the lightsabers to Anakin and Obi-Wan.

13:26

Oh, how's that? He was an editor

13:28

on the Clone Wars, an editor on the Bad Batch.

13:30

And here he is writing

13:32

episode four devoted.

13:36

So that first episode, we

13:38

meet Baris Offee in prison

13:40

and all of that. So

13:42

congratulations to Matt, Nathaniel, Nicholas,

13:44

Sol, Amanda. I think they

13:46

wrote some great stuff and directed some great

13:49

stuff visually. I think

13:51

the series looked fantastic. But

13:54

let's dig in and we can probably

13:56

take this at your calls. By the way, this is a

13:58

call in show. So don't forget. call 708-866-1737.

14:01

I see we

14:03

already have some people in the switchboard, 708-866-1737. So

14:08

you don't have to, you know, we don't have

14:10

to do this in any particular order, your questions

14:13

and your theories and your thoughts can be about

14:15

any of the episodes, but I think we'll set

14:17

the table arc by arc here and we'll talk

14:19

about the first three episodes with Morgan

14:22

Elsbeth. And

14:25

Jim, the first thing that we

14:27

see is a recreation of that

14:29

battle on Dathomir. So

14:31

we've got General Grievous coming

14:34

after the

14:36

Dathomir witches. There

14:38

was never really much

14:41

of an alliance between the

14:43

Dathomir witches and the separatists.

14:45

In fact, I think Mother

14:49

Talzin was trying to undermine the

14:52

wishes of Dooku. She sent

14:55

Saj Ventress off to assassinate

14:58

Dooku at one point and

15:00

I'm sure they didn't, they didn't love

15:02

the idea of resurrecting Tarth Maul. That

15:04

threw a wrench in some things. So

15:07

I think the Dathomir witches had a

15:09

big target on

15:12

their backs for a while because of

15:14

those things, but we get to see this recreation. It's

15:16

kind of fun to see General Grievous

15:18

back in action in his Clone Wars

15:21

form. Yeah, voiced

15:23

by Matthew Wood of course. Yeah.

15:25

Naturally. Right. This

15:28

episode, the first episode here, The

15:30

Path of Fear, it's

15:33

basically a retelling of a

15:36

Clone Wars episode, season four,

15:38

episode 19, Massacre. Somebody

15:40

just recently reminded me, hey, you know,

15:43

they showed Grievous

15:45

attack Dathomir in

15:48

season four of the Clone Wars. I was like, oh

15:50

my God, that's right, isn't it? It's

15:52

all because Dooku sent Grievous

15:55

there to basically

15:58

get revenge. on

16:01

the the Nightsisters

16:04

because of the

16:06

actions of Asajj Ventress and they knew

16:08

Ventress was hiding out there. So

16:11

this episode was told

16:13

from a certain perspective

16:16

already way back in

16:18

February 2012 in

16:21

the episode Massacre from the Clone Wars, which

16:23

was written by Katie Lucas, I might add.

16:27

And it's interesting

16:29

to see then that Krivos was up

16:31

to some other things other than fighting

16:34

with old

16:36

Daka or whatever the

16:39

old ancient

16:42

elder of the Nightsisters

16:44

who she resurrected the

16:49

army of the undead Nightsisters to

16:51

aid in the fight against the

16:54

Separatists. But it didn't

16:56

really go well, especially after old

16:59

Daka got blacked. Boy, I gotta

17:01

go back and rewatch that. Oh,

17:04

it's a great rewatch. Yeah, it's been

17:06

so long. After I watched Tails the

17:08

first time with you out in Bristol,

17:10

I might add. That's right. And Tyler

17:12

was there and our buddy Joel Kramer. By

17:16

the way, we had to pull all the

17:18

shades and black out all the light so

17:21

that we could see what was going on.

17:23

And that was the hotel TV. So

17:26

now I've watched this on multiple screens for you

17:28

people that are always defending how dark everything is.

17:33

Boy, I'll tell you, you really notice how

17:36

darkness has really become

17:38

a factor in Star Wars animation

17:40

when you go back and watch

17:42

that Clone Wars episode Massacre from

17:44

2012. Oh, interesting. You

17:48

can actually see things. While

17:51

I do appreciate the level of lighting

17:53

and shadows and the darkness that is

17:55

in animation right now, I think there'd

17:57

be a lot of people out there.

18:00

little too heavy-handed in that approach.

18:03

And it does make things, it makes

18:05

picking out the detail very difficult. Almost

18:08

when I was watching Massacre and

18:10

then I immediately started my rewatch

18:12

of this episode, The Path of

18:14

Fear, and I noticed the

18:16

lighting, yeah, but I also noticed there's

18:19

a certain bit of sharpness that

18:21

exists in the Clone

18:23

Wars episodes from the early, you

18:26

know, from 2012 compared to now. It

18:29

seems like it's a little bit

18:32

fuzzy almost compared to how sharp

18:35

the animation was in those

18:37

older episodes. But

18:39

these are aesthetic choices being made by

18:41

the producers who create these shows

18:43

and they like to use the

18:46

most modern tools in their toolbox.

18:48

This is great. If you're following in the chat,

18:50

Peter Beitzer just agreed to buy Jimmy Mack and

18:53

me both, OLED TVs. So

18:56

Mack and I are both going to get OLED

18:58

TV for this. Sure.

19:02

Yes, yeah. But it

19:05

doesn't, you know, really diminish my enjoyment of

19:07

the shows. I just think they're being a

19:10

little too heavy. Yeah, I agree. I agree.

19:13

And I know that it's all part of some

19:15

of the new tools that they have and all

19:17

of that. Right. Show that stuff

19:19

off and dip your toe in those

19:21

waters. But yeah, I'm like you. I want to see

19:23

what's going on. And I especially wanted to see what

19:26

was going on here on Dathomir

19:29

as Morgan Ellsbeth

19:31

witnesses the death of

19:33

her mother at the hands of Grievous.

19:37

We didn't realize when we were watching it back

19:39

in Clone Wars season four that that was going

19:41

on. You have to look real closely. That's

19:43

how brilliant these guys were. That was all happening right

19:45

there in the background. You didn't. You

19:49

didn't. You didn't know. They just

19:51

moved the camera. That's it. Yeah.

19:53

And the call back in the dialogue, we used to

19:56

love when Filoni would put all

19:58

these call backs to the. trilogy

20:00

I have a bad feeling about this of course

20:03

things like that but now

20:05

we're getting callbacks to prequel

20:07

dialogue as Grievous says wipe

20:09

them out all of them

20:12

so that's a terrible Grievous but

20:14

you know it's it goes back

20:16

to wipe them out all

20:18

of them from true it

20:20

is a callback to Darth Sidious and

20:23

the fan of menace yeah but also

20:27

to once again bring up that

20:29

Clone Wars episode from 2012

20:31

massacre when Jooku

20:33

tells Grievous to

20:36

go attack Dathomir and take

20:38

care of the Nightsisters he

20:40

says to Grievous wipe

20:43

them out all of them oh

20:45

no way oh that's okay that's

20:48

very there's other dots to be connected

20:50

and so like I said it was

20:52

it was Katie

20:55

Lucas who wrote that episode so she

20:57

was you know giving a shout out

20:59

to her pops meanwhile

21:01

also echoing the words of

21:05

Darth Sidious the Emperor so Count

21:09

Dooku obviously under the influence of

21:11

the dark side and Darth

21:13

Sidious he's gonna quote him any chance

21:16

he gets and he does so in

21:18

that episode Massacre that's really cool so

21:21

yeah so we got Morgan she's witnessing the

21:24

death of her mother and it's you know

21:26

at this moment I think where she starts

21:28

to essentially pull immediately

21:30

it's like she starts plotting her revenge

21:32

and and what does she go after

21:34

she'll talk about it a little later

21:37

in the episodes about just just power

21:39

and Jim earlier we were talking about

21:41

or I brought up about the difference

21:43

between these characters or why these two

21:45

characters compare contrast and

21:47

you know one is the origin one

21:49

is the the destiny but

21:52

when you do look at their their arcs here

21:55

you got you got Morgan who ends

21:57

up doing everything and anything she can to find

22:00

favor with the Empire because she's never

22:02

going to be powerless again like she

22:04

was when she watched her mother die

22:07

on Dathomir but Barris

22:10

gets really no choice she's conscripted and

22:12

we find out very quick in that

22:15

episode what happens when you'd think that

22:17

you can you know walk away from

22:19

the Inquisitor recruiters so another

22:23

area where these two characters differ very

22:25

much whereas you

22:27

Morgan walks right into

22:30

the arms of the Empire whereas Barris is

22:32

kind of you know forced into

22:35

it but I mean Morgan she

22:38

definitely sees immediately

22:41

the potential to never be weak

22:43

never be able

22:46

to be taken over or

22:48

hurt by anybody again this

22:51

clan of what is

22:53

it mountain the mountain clan

22:55

yeah we never saw them before

22:57

in in Clone

22:59

Wars any other time we've seen

23:02

the seen Dathomir I don't think we've ever

23:06

they're new is what I'm trying to say

23:08

well I don't know how new they are

23:11

because in the novel the old

23:13

expanded universe novel that that introduced

23:17

us to Dathomir and the Nightsisters

23:19

it was called the courtship of

23:21

Princess Leia by Dave

23:24

Wolverton and in

23:26

that novel you

23:28

encounter the singing mountain clan

23:32

that's the name of the group of

23:34

Nightsisters or I know those were the

23:36

Von Tran at the mere witches what's

23:38

that those were the Von traps the

23:40

singing mountain clan was

23:43

that the sound of yeah yeah yeah yeah they were no

23:46

no and they sang there are mountain people

23:49

okay but no this is maybe maybe that influenced

23:54

the courtship of prison really called

23:56

the hanging mountain clan right

23:58

huh and now I think they're

24:01

being reintroduced into canon as just

24:03

the Mountain Clan. The Mountain Clan.

24:06

Because, you know, as

24:08

an audience, if you introduce a group

24:11

called the Singing Mountain Clan, you're

24:13

expecting some singing and some songs,

24:15

and I don't think that they're

24:17

ready to deliver. So

24:19

they just removed the singing part and

24:22

have named them the old Mountain

24:24

Clan. Yeah. Yeah, the Singing Mountain

24:26

Clan was from the Expanded Universe

24:29

courtship of Princess Leia. It

24:31

was a Dathomiri witch clan in

24:33

a village located near a location called,

24:35

you guessed it, the Singing

24:38

Mountain. And they

24:40

were bitter rivals with the Nightsisters. Bitter

24:43

rivals. And

24:45

the Nightsisters are down in the valley and

24:48

you've got the Mountain Clan. They're up

24:50

in the mountains. This

24:52

is something that you see in Star Wars

24:54

like the Gungans and the Naboo where they

24:57

inhabit the same planet. They're right there kind of

24:59

together, but they don't have much to do with

25:02

one another. And they're very suspicious of each other.

25:04

I kind of think of the Mountain Clan and

25:07

the Nightsisters as being sort of similar in that

25:09

way. Yeah. Yeah.

25:12

Yeah. But they don't see eye to

25:14

eye on a lot of things. I

25:18

think most notably how to use their

25:20

magics. There's some

25:22

characters that emerged from the Singing

25:24

Mountain Clan back in the

25:27

Expanded Universe that became regular

25:29

members of the Expanded Universe

25:31

roster. T'Nanel

25:33

D'Jo. She

25:36

was with Luke against the Battle against

25:38

the Usain Vong and her daughter T'Nel

25:40

Ka was a member of

25:42

the Young Jedi Knights novels

25:45

with Jason and Jaina Solo.

25:51

And L'Obaca. Remember L'Obaca? L'Obaca.

25:54

Oh yeah. So yeah. So

25:58

I think they've been around for a while. It's

26:00

just kind of a different twist on them

26:03

to just be called the mountain clan as

26:05

opposed to the singing mountain clan But they

26:07

have their origins in the expanded universe What's

26:10

what's really fascinating here is is is how

26:12

this this mother? The

26:17

the high priestess, I don't think she has a name

26:20

Selena oh it is Selena. Yeah

26:22

mother Selena mother Selena. Okay. Oh,

26:24

no, I'm sorry I think so

26:26

that is a daughter right from

26:29

them No,

26:31

no, the daughter is Nali

26:36

Now he's the daughter mother Selena. She's

26:38

voiced by Diana

26:40

Lee and Asanto who plays

26:42

adults Morgan really

26:45

I thought dially was playing hold

26:47

on. Are you sure Diana Lee

26:49

isn't playing the voice of? Morgan

26:52

Ellsbeth his mother at

26:54

oh You

26:57

know, that's a good question No,

26:59

I could have sworn it was maybe it is. Yeah,

27:01

you know what that would make more sense to me

27:04

Right it worked out that way because I

27:06

don't know all the names of the characters. Maybe

27:08

mother Selena is The

27:11

mom who was killed the one who

27:13

was using those night sister sickles. Yeah

27:16

duel with Grievous. Yes That

27:18

must be that must be that doesn't make

27:21

any sense. You know, I'm just going off

27:23

the credits Right. I've done no like like

27:26

outside research or anything.

27:28

I really wish that Star Wars calm was

27:31

better about Putting episode guides and

27:33

things. I loved that when they would do that

27:35

with Clone Wars and they did it with rebels

27:38

Because you know help us out a little bit

27:40

here I know, you know, I I

27:42

don't know how these kind of these things knowing

27:44

exactly who these characters are but anyway,

27:47

regardless we've got the the head of

27:49

the the mountain clan there and And

27:53

she sees and notices immediately that

27:56

Morgan who they they bring in say hey you

27:58

can be one of us now and then

28:00

her markings fade off of

28:03

her face. And

28:06

that's cool. Yeah, that was kind of cool.

28:08

That sort of explains why she doesn't have

28:10

those markings, I guess,

28:12

when we meet her in

28:15

Book of Bulb, or not Book

28:17

of Bulb. It's a Book of Bulb effect.

28:19

Sometimes I forget these crossovers. No,

28:21

it was in Mandalorian season two, right? That's

28:24

when we first meet Ahsoka. Yes,

28:27

and we're getting on these shows, by the way.

28:29

They all end up on each other's shows. They're

28:31

like the rat pack. And

28:34

we do meet up with Morgan Elsbath

28:36

also in the Mandalorian, the same episode

28:38

we meet up with Ahsoka. And

28:41

I think it's really good

28:43

to get the backstory on

28:45

Morgan Elsbath. And this

28:48

arc, these three episodes,

28:51

set up who

28:53

Morgan is, where she came from, how

28:55

she landed on Corvus, how she became

28:57

in command of that

28:59

village, and essentially the planet

29:03

on Corvus, and how

29:05

she's connected to Thrawn and everything. It's

29:08

all there. And those things were big

29:11

holes in the story, as far as I

29:13

was concerned. I wanted to know

29:15

more about how she was connected to

29:18

Thrawn, how she came into power, all

29:20

of that. And we

29:22

get that in these three episodes in this

29:24

arc. Wow, you just summarized the whole

29:26

thing. Well,

29:28

I did. But there's more detail to get into.

29:34

It's not like I'm revealing this story.

29:36

I think most people listening have already

29:39

heard that they know what the story

29:41

is. But so you've got Morgan, and

29:44

she's immediately, after she's taken in

29:46

by this other clan, she's

29:49

like, wow, the separatists aren't going to stop.

29:51

These droids aren't going to stop with just

29:53

the lowlands, the valley. They're

29:55

going to be coming after you, too. And

29:58

so she's able to recruit. a

30:01

couple of the others to go

30:04

and I think they're trying to,

30:07

are they trying to get weapons or

30:09

something? She has weapons but I think they're trying to

30:11

get weapons. A stockpile

30:14

of other weapons. That's

30:16

why they're going back down there. Well

30:19

yeah, yeah, she has weapons stashed

30:21

away. Of course the Mountain

30:23

Clan, they don't have weapons. Right, right.

30:26

They're pacifists I guess. So,

30:31

or they just believe in

30:33

fighting with, by

30:35

casting spells and things of that nature

30:38

to use something else is

30:41

like barbaric to them or something. Yeah.

30:43

But but yeah

30:45

Morgan has the weapons and that's how

30:47

she lures, you know,

30:49

she uses fear, fear

30:52

of a separatist attack to

30:56

influence and encourage

30:59

some of these younger seeing or

31:01

Mountain Clan witches.

31:04

Right. And you know they

31:06

get nervous. They want to

31:08

protect themselves. They don't feel like they have

31:11

what it takes to hold off an

31:13

army. They, you know, an army of

31:15

droids and stuff. No, they need the

31:18

old lady. She doesn't seem like she's

31:20

all that concerned. So, you

31:22

know, it's easy to think when the elders like

31:24

that aren't running around scared

31:27

to death that they're, you know, they're out

31:29

of touch. They're clueless. Maybe they don't have

31:31

what it takes to lead anymore. But,

31:34

you know, mother, the Mountain Clan

31:36

mother, she resists the fear

31:38

that Morgan is trying to

31:41

sow and but it's

31:43

the same fear that propels Morgan forward. So

31:45

Morgan is just like all

31:47

about securing her place

31:50

in the universe so that she's never a

31:52

victim again. I think that's kind of what

31:54

it comes down to. And I

31:56

was looking for something maybe a Little

31:58

bit more sophisticated than that. That in

32:00

terms of her on her desires

32:02

or her motivation but I think

32:05

at the end of the day

32:07

that's really what it is. So

32:09

she leads this little it's incursion

32:11

or excursion down a quickly. They

32:13

meet up with the with the

32:16

battle Droids super battle droids. And

32:19

have a daughter I can remember

32:21

they both die, but certainly the

32:24

daughter of the clan mother she

32:26

dies. And. That's.

32:31

It for Morgan. She's no longer

32:33

welcome there. You can you can

32:35

imagine been seen as the mother

32:37

says as she's. Walking.

32:40

Away carrying the body of her

32:42

eyes. Or dead daughter. That

32:45

Morgan's fate. Her

32:47

past he could say safe is

32:50

set. She. Says I tell you

32:52

for what ah fruit fly to see

32:54

what is to come And course we

32:56

know. Wow with with we know her

32:58

feet up to the point of a

33:00

soak. I still think there's another chapter

33:02

coming from Morgan Else best. Buy.

33:04

Dumb. Does. So that the

33:07

daughter is killed, Morgan brings the

33:09

same. Ironically, she brings the same

33:11

destruction to the mountain clan that

33:13

wiped out her clan. There.

33:16

In the valley. But

33:19

you, you're talking about the weapons. Earlier

33:21

Jimmy that I was reminded of the line

33:23

that Yoda gives to Luke in the Empire

33:26

Strikes Back with his bat. Go in the

33:28

cave. He says your weapons you will not

33:30

needs. At. Loops takes

33:32

the many way of course what is

33:34

would find with signs conflict. Luke finds.

33:37

Vader. In that case, or but.

33:40

Why? Was the mother the the

33:43

mountain clan mother? So confident because

33:45

he has this incredible power which

33:47

something we've never seen in a.

33:50

Certainly. Not in in animation this

33:52

type of our was she wipes out

33:55

at at least one. unit.

33:57

Of Super Battle Droids. I

34:00

just sort of appearing and creating

34:02

this. Huge blast of

34:04

energy. Ah kills them or

34:07

what? Short. Circuits them

34:09

well know wherever you say, To

34:12

kill a droid owner when you the

34:14

Aids. Destroys. Them was

34:16

really oh sure. seems to think so

34:18

he's always wear his house is More

34:21

His Mortality uniform right of right? So

34:24

major foreshadowing there at the end

34:27

as the old lady says morgan

34:29

that her fate is some. Is

34:32

something that does she pity for for

34:35

so morgan certainly not making any friends

34:37

so she loses in this case the

34:39

only chance that rich he really had

34:42

probably to remain on death Samir now

34:44

have any connection to her ah or

34:46

curb the previous slicer. You

34:49

know when when the Arab. That. Matriarch.

34:53

Of these of the singing clans

34:55

are the mountain clan I'm. Says

34:58

yup states you can see the future

35:00

and she sees what Morgan will be

35:03

com. It's a good line of dialogue

35:05

because we know what Morgan will be

35:07

com our We've seen Morgan pushed to

35:10

are absolute limits and I you know

35:12

take evil was far. she's gonna take

35:14

it by Tom. When

35:17

lines like that have been in, you don't

35:19

know. It can be a little

35:21

frustrating but in this case is insincere

35:23

decision because you're like yeah, well you

35:25

know why it, Why are they turning

35:28

their back on Morgan? A busy baby

35:30

Mortgage just made a mistake. Radio may

35:32

be Morgan needs of a new family

35:34

and you're turning your back on? are

35:37

you guys are all data miri? which

35:39

is you should stick together regardless of

35:41

what plane you're from but the mothers

35:43

sees she has a glimpse of the

35:45

future and sees Morgan is gonna end

35:48

up being know good and. It's

35:50

is. It provides total closer

35:52

to the stories and morgan

35:54

been exiled from. the

35:57

mountain clan because we know we

35:59

No, it's not playing games with

36:01

us. It's being very crystal clear

36:03

in its messaging about what happens

36:05

to Morgan And we're on board

36:07

with it because we know

36:10

I have some final thoughts on this particular

36:13

Episode I know thoughts already here.

36:15

We go folks already Morgan fights

36:17

commando droids with a bow like

36:20

Omega But the

36:22

commando droids use swords have we

36:24

ever seen commando droids or any

36:27

droids use swords in? In

36:29

Star Wars in the dark

36:31

forces video game the phase

36:33

one dark trooper Had

36:35

a sword and a shield and

36:38

it kind of reminded me of those Jason and

36:40

the Argonauts Fighting skeletons,

36:43

but in this case we see a commando

36:45

droid with a sword I never recall seeing

36:47

them commando droids were first introduced to Star

36:50

Wars animation Way back in

36:52

season one of Clone Wars in the

36:54

episode rookies from season five I

36:57

believe that's when they were first introduced So

36:59

if anybody in the chat can remember any

37:01

other times battle droids or commando droids used

37:04

swords, let us know Young

37:07

Morgan is voiced by Kathy Aang Any

37:10

relationship to Michelle Aang who voices Omega? I

37:12

don't know. I didn't look into that It's

37:15

like somebody in the chat was that over

37:17

there. I think it's very common name She's

37:20

known probably best known as playing

37:23

Lily Goldenblatt in the section

37:25

the city spin-off and

37:27

just like that Which

37:29

I never saw an episode of and she

37:32

also known for voicing Fei-fei

37:35

in Netflix over the moon Which

37:38

I miss that one too, unfortunately But

37:41

that's those are you know, so she's she's

37:43

seen some on-camera work as

37:45

well as being a voice actor

37:48

I always like to know who's providing the

37:50

vocals for these characters when it comes to

37:52

Star Wars animation I almost feel like I

37:54

have to vet them out or something. You

37:56

do because you never know they might end

37:58

up in live action If

38:00

the character takes off? Exactly. Exactly.

38:03

Look at Katie Sackhoff. Look

38:06

at others. So

38:11

you put me on the spot. But

38:14

those are just my final thoughts on this

38:16

episode. I thought it was a

38:18

good introduction to Morrigan. I thought

38:20

it was really cool when all

38:23

of these Nightsisters are all under spells,

38:25

like all the time. And

38:28

it results in these markings on their face.

38:31

And when the spells wear off, the

38:33

markings disappear. I

38:36

thought that was interesting. So

38:39

like when the Nightsisters and Ahsoka,

38:41

they press their thumbs into Morrigan's

38:43

eyes, and her eyes light on

38:45

fire, and she gets all those

38:47

markings all over her face. If

38:49

she survived that, but

38:52

separated herself from those old

38:55

witches, those markings probably

38:57

would have faded again. So

38:59

I don't know. I find that interesting.

39:01

I like to know a little bit about

39:04

the Nightsisters, any information I get about

39:06

them. I really enjoy those

39:09

face markings. I noticed that they were consistently

39:13

inconsistent, let's just say. Gotcha.

39:15

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44:03

Well, let's get into the second episode here.

44:06

Um, the path of anger

44:09

and it starts off with, um, I

44:11

love it. Cause, uh, Morgan, Morgan

44:13

is on a star war shark tank here

44:16

as she's pitching the tide offender to the

44:19

Imperial sharks. And

44:22

those are tough sharks too. Yeah, they really

44:24

are. Um, yeah, so this

44:26

is really the pitch meeting, uh, but they're

44:28

not so much interested. Uh, as they reveal,

44:30

um, what's that

44:32

guy? Moth, Moth is staying. I want to say

44:35

disdain, but that'd be two on the note. We'll

44:37

just take the D off is staying. Yeah. Uh,

44:39

he lets Morgan know and Joe short

44:42

order that, uh, that's he's, he's not

44:44

really interested in her ideas

44:46

so much as he's interested in,

44:48

uh, Corvus and the, uh,

44:51

all of the resources there. So

44:53

he's like, well, now that

44:55

you've brought Corvus to our attention, we'll,

44:57

we'll take what's ours. And

44:59

so she's rebuffed and obviously,

45:02

uh, frustrated. The other thing

45:04

that's kind of interesting here is that, you know,

45:06

when she goes back to, uh, the,

45:10

uh, when she goes back

45:12

to Corvus, it, it all becomes

45:14

about jobs. She apparently rose to

45:17

power there on Corvus because, uh,

45:19

she promised. She promised

45:21

them prosperity and jobs.

45:24

And so it was very, um, they

45:26

were very political. You know,

45:28

like, uh, bread and what do they call it? Like,

45:30

uh, uh, supper table

45:32

issues, uh, that kind of thing. It

45:35

was about jobs and, and

45:37

security and safety and, and, and all

45:39

of that. So as

45:41

we were watching her on Corvus

45:44

and with Wang and some

45:46

of these other characters, and she became such

45:48

a wing wing, is that it?

45:50

Is it being vowels

45:53

matter folks? Now, yes

45:55

they do. Wang

45:58

Dang, sweet Putin Dang with his. Ted

46:00

Nugent used to be fond of saying

46:02

with wing and the

46:04

other, since she obviously became a tyrant

46:06

and a totalitarian. But

46:09

definitely single minded. She's not going to

46:12

let this idea, you know, these ideas

46:14

die. But she brings she's brought to

46:16

the attention of the right

46:18

guy, Captain Paleon. So Captain Paleon

46:21

takes a shine to her, isn't

46:24

totally blown away by

46:27

her, her ideas. But

46:29

he really likes there's something in her. He

46:31

likes the drive. He likes the the

46:33

fact that she seems that

46:36

like Paleon's boss, Thrawn. She's wanting to

46:38

work, put it this way, smarter, not

46:41

harder. I think that's what's at the

46:43

heart of this. And that's

46:45

what drives Thrawn is he talks later about, you

46:47

know, some of the mistakes that he sees the

46:49

empire making. And she's trying to

46:52

work a lot in that direction. Efficiency,

46:54

you know, the

46:57

these these tie fighters are these Thai

46:59

defenders. They have shields. And

47:03

that's a good start. If I

47:05

was a shark there, I think I would go for the the

47:08

vessel with shields. But it all comes down to

47:10

cost. They say it's prohibitively expensive. So

47:13

they're willing to put, you know, they just

47:15

cannon fodder. You know, blaster fodder are

47:18

there are their troopers and their pilots. They don't

47:20

care. They've got the numbers. And if they don't

47:22

have people, no, no, this thing. Come.

47:25

So it's all a number. That's what

47:27

I for them. Whereas Paleon and Thrawn

47:29

represent a more sophisticated,

47:31

sophisticated way of

47:33

of looking at things. So now

47:36

you start to get why they're. Empire. It's

47:38

all about numbers. How

47:42

low can they keep the cost

47:44

and how many can they produce?

47:46

Right. They want they want.

47:49

Quantity over quality. Yes,

47:51

because the empire doesn't care about

47:53

the pilots. They're acceptable

47:56

losses. Right. But if they

47:58

can fly. thousand

48:00

TIE fighters in the battle

48:02

overwhelm the opposition immediately,

48:05

then they're

48:07

good with that. You know,

48:10

these TIE defenders, sure they

48:12

protect the pilots, but they

48:14

also cost a fortune to

48:16

produce. It'd be much better to get, you

48:19

know, as opposed to 10 TIE defenders, 100

48:22

TIE fighters. It's

48:24

more about the Empire and the

48:27

way they operate. Yeah, it's

48:29

cheaper. They operate, they want the

48:32

best bang for their buck, and they

48:34

also like displays of shock and awe.

48:37

So I think it's more about

48:39

how many and how cheaply it can

48:42

get done. Yeah. This

48:45

episode opened with the four

48:47

Venator class Star Destroyers flanking

48:49

one single Imperial

48:51

class Star Destroyer, and that was

48:54

kind of like, kind

48:56

of gave me an idea of where this

48:58

is on the timeline. It's

49:00

definitely post-Clone Wars, but prior

49:02

to Star Wars Rebels. I

49:05

think this is maybe just

49:07

a little bit after the Bad

49:09

Batch season finale, because we're

49:11

still seeing the Venators in

49:13

service, but we're also seeing

49:15

introduction of Imperial class Star

49:18

Destroyers, which we know so well from the

49:20

beginning of A New Hope, etc.

49:23

And the first thing that just saw it, yeah. When

49:27

Morgan Elsbeth was in her shark

49:29

tank session with the Empire,

49:32

they referred to her as Magistrate, so this

49:34

is right away. We know that she

49:36

has assumed that title, and we

49:39

find out how she serves it

49:41

once we get back on Corvus.

49:43

Speaking of Corvus, like you said,

49:45

Morgan made a big mistake in

49:47

front of the moths by

49:49

bragging about how not only her

49:51

planet Corvus, but the planets

49:53

in the system surrounding it are

49:56

rife with raw goods and materials. So

49:58

the Empire wanted to... take

50:01

what is theirs and visit

50:03

Corvus not for Thai defenders

50:05

but for their natural

50:07

resources and Pelian

50:10

shows up you know what thank God

50:12

for Morgan you know at least he's

50:14

going away from this meeting with something

50:17

but Morgan Pelian

50:19

reveals that his superior and we

50:21

all know that's Thrawn is looking

50:23

for talented people with vision and

50:25

ideas so I

50:28

think that's what he

50:30

sees however Thrawn is

50:32

a big champion and

50:34

proponent pushing the Thai defender

50:38

as the key thing that's going to

50:40

be the protector of the

50:42

Empire and the thing that helps enforce

50:44

imperial rule throughout the galaxy Thrawn is

50:47

all about that by the time he

50:49

appears in Star Wars Rebels so

50:52

we know that this relationship builds

50:55

from beyond these tales of the

50:57

Empire stories we know that they

50:59

forge a relationship and work together all

51:01

the way up through Star

51:04

Wars Rebels when Thrawn disappears

51:06

eventually and then Morgan pledges

51:09

herself to bringing him back

51:12

so I like I like the

51:14

foundation this is laying down for

51:16

everything from chapter

51:19

13 of the Mandalorian in season

51:21

2 the Jedi which

51:23

also featured the debut of Ahsoka we all know

51:26

and also it sets up Ahsoka

51:30

and and and gives us

51:32

a clue as to what's

51:34

motivating Morgan Elsbeth yeah

51:37

this is where this is where it gets a little

51:40

thin for me on the

51:42

motivation how so because you

51:46

really have to read into it quite

51:48

a bit to come away with the

51:51

fact that or maybe I should just

51:53

say it's a very broad motivation she

51:55

wants power she wants power she

51:58

never wants to be powerlessly like

52:00

she once was on Dathomir. And

52:03

so when she first has her conversation

52:05

with Paleon, she

52:08

says, oh, for the glory of the empire, because Paleon

52:11

asks her point blank, what is it

52:13

that you want to lend your

52:16

substantial talents and

52:19

vision to the empire? And she says,

52:21

well, for the glory of the empire, of course. Later,

52:24

when she's talking to Thrawn, she

52:26

says, power. I want

52:28

power. They seem

52:30

to be kind of the same thing to me. Glory

52:35

of the empire, what does the empire stand for? What

52:37

does it bring you? Power,

52:39

safety, at least that's what

52:41

the PR says. But

52:45

aside from that, there's

52:47

not, she

52:49

just wants power, like

52:52

she just wants safety, she wants security.

52:56

No, she admits later in the episode when she

52:58

has the one on one with Thrawn, that

53:01

she is seeking imperial

53:04

favor because she's

53:07

motivated by revenge. And

53:10

she's trying to acquire power

53:12

within the empire and fire power

53:14

for that matter, to

53:17

get revenge on any enemy that has

53:19

crossed her, because the

53:21

seperances are gone at this point. And

53:24

the seperances are the ones that attacked

53:26

the planet Dathomir in the first place.

53:30

But Morgan is seeking revenge for what?

53:33

From who? If the seperances are taken

53:35

out of the equation, then who is

53:37

seeking revenge? She doesn't say revenge. She

53:39

says power. She says, I

53:41

seek power to ensure my future, to

53:43

destroy my enemies. My anger

53:45

gives me strength, and it is that strength that

53:47

I offer the empire. She doesn't say revenge to

53:50

Thrawn? She does not say revenge to Thrawn. No.

53:55

Well, I think you would read into it, but I

53:57

went down that path. Then I was like, but who

53:59

is? this, who does she want revenge? Because the

54:01

ultimate joke in this is

54:04

the fact that she's pledging allegiance to the

54:07

very power that gave

54:09

the order to destroy her

54:11

culture there on Dathomir. She

54:13

doesn't obviously know it. She

54:15

doesn't know that. She doesn't know it. But

54:18

there's no separatists to get revenge against. Right.

54:24

Yeah, so that's why, I mean, that's puzzling.

54:28

For some reason, I took revenge

54:31

out of the equation. She's not

54:35

because it's set up that way. You

54:37

know, there's discussion of a

54:40

growing rebellion. Yes. But

54:42

there's, you know, there's no

54:44

indication that whatever the

54:47

rebellion, whatever shape of the

54:49

rebellion is in, poses

54:51

any threat or concern to Morgan.

54:54

She does talk about how her

54:57

people were destroyed, her culture, her

54:59

beliefs, everything's been erased from memory. And

55:03

she seeks, here's what she says, I seek

55:05

power to ensure my future to

55:08

destroy my enemies. So

55:10

yeah, she is saying revenge, I mean, to

55:12

destroy my enemies is another

55:14

way of saying she's seeking revenge.

55:18

And she's tapping into the dark side whether

55:20

she knows it or not. I don't know

55:23

what sort of connection she has to the

55:25

Force. I think all the witches are feeding

55:28

off the Force to

55:30

cast their spells. All their magic

55:33

is is actually

55:35

their way of manipulating the Force.

55:39

And well, it's a

55:41

different cycle Force user. Yeah. Yeah,

55:44

that's what I think. I mean, if it's all

55:46

in the same universe, you know, it seems

55:49

the source of the power is the same. It's just in

55:51

in how they use it. Right,

55:55

right, right. And I guess she doesn't

55:57

flat out say the word revenge, but

55:59

she does. watch seek to

56:01

strike down her enemies and

56:04

to me that's part

56:06

of the definition of revenge. Okay,

56:11

I don't know about that but I

56:13

will we'll give it to you we'll give

56:15

it to you. I think the whole thing

56:17

is that yeah I think that the revenge

56:19

is sort of implied where it falls apart

56:22

for me is that there's no one to

56:24

get revenge against. The separatists

56:26

are gone. Dooku is dead. Grievous

56:28

is dead. The only

56:30

one that exists still is the person

56:32

who gave the order to wipe out

56:34

Dathomir and that's Palpatine. She doesn't know

56:37

who that is. So that's why it's a bit of a

56:39

tragedy. It was Dooku

56:42

and there's really been no indication

56:44

that Palpatine had wanted

56:48

Dooku to strike against

56:51

Dathomir but Dooku was the leader of

56:53

the separatists so he had

56:55

that power at his disposal and

56:58

could do with it what he wants. I think

57:00

Palpatine would have eventually taken the the witches out.

57:02

The witches would have posed a

57:05

threat to him and although

57:08

maybe he learned from them because they have

57:10

figured out that possession thing. Don't

57:14

we see the witches possessing at

57:17

one point? See

57:20

the witches doing what? Possessing

57:22

people. Possessing people. Isn't it who

57:25

gets possessed by the witches? By

57:28

the spirit of Talzin. It's funny in

57:30

that episode Massacre, Mother

57:32

Talzin makes a voodoo

57:34

doll of Dooku. It really starts

57:37

messing with him. You know wearing those PJs? No

57:41

you sit at his desk doing paperwork

57:43

or something. Paying his bills and all

57:45

of a sudden these boils started popping

57:47

up his words. Like oh my god

57:49

what the hell? Boils. She starts you

57:51

know setting it on fire dipping it

57:53

and steaming out water you know things

57:55

like that. Just having fun. There's

58:00

only a witch can do right. Well,

58:02

let's talk to we're gonna talk to

58:04

Luke over here cuz Luke is He's

58:08

talking about Thrawn. He's got some

58:10

thoughts about Thrawn showing up in this particular

58:12

episode. Hey Luke also a patreon member Hey,

58:16

okay Shut

58:18

we're just talking about We don't

58:20

get to these calls now by the rate we're going we

58:22

won't get some to one in the morning So we're gonna

58:24

have to take these as we're chatting

58:27

But you've got something to say about about

58:29

Thrawn Yeah,

58:32

he had the best line in this

58:34

episode of this second elsa He

58:37

says she says you speak

58:39

of the growing rebellion And he responds

58:41

a sickness which kills both common man

58:43

and king and I thought that

58:46

was a very poignant line I thought I

58:48

shake longer like you know, it was great

58:50

hearing. Yeah, it was great hearing

58:52

Thrawn say that and You

58:54

know, it's true. I just got done

58:56

watching a bit of the Benjamin Franklin series

58:58

on Apple TV, you know, and that has

59:02

It alludes to the French Revolution and sure

59:05

enough common man and king and that revolution,

59:07

you know lost their heads and yeah Well,

59:12

it's a very poignant line That

59:14

was the best line of the it is and

59:16

what it establishes is that I mean

59:18

even by the time we get to a new hope it

59:21

seems like Even Tarkin isn't

59:23

taking the rebellion as seriously as he needs

59:25

to Thrawn is

59:27

taking the he rebellion quite

59:29

seriously even during its infancy

59:32

and it's through dialogue

59:34

like that You realize that you know, he

59:37

He's there to sort of see problems Before

59:40

they become you know little problems before they become

59:43

big problems. Now. It is true

59:45

that Tarkin was kind of Laissez-faire

59:47

about the rebellion maybe by the time we

59:49

catch up to him in the new hope

59:52

But he is right in that Death Star through

59:54

the galaxy So I

59:56

think his confidence got a real boost I

1:00:01

think in this era Thrawn may have

1:00:04

been a little more concerned with

1:00:06

the rebellion. But

1:00:11

once he got behind the steering wheel

1:00:13

of that Death Star, he really, yeah,

1:00:15

that was

1:00:19

a boost of confidence. He wasn't

1:00:21

so concerned anymore. Anything

1:00:25

else, Luke? Yeah. Yeah.

1:00:27

So the only other thing I wanted to say was

1:00:30

I, uh, I went to see the Phantom

1:00:32

Menace on, uh, May the 4th, 25

1:00:34

years ago. I walked into

1:00:36

a theater in Sarasota, Florida as a nine

1:00:38

year old kid with my aunt. She took

1:00:40

me to see the Phantom Menace when I

1:00:42

was nine. So I was the

1:00:45

same age as, as a young Jake Lloyd in

1:00:47

those areas that day. And,

1:00:49

uh, man, it holds up, it

1:00:51

holds up. And I just want to

1:00:53

say, I have no idea if he ever

1:00:55

listens, but I know you guys have interviewed him. Jake,

1:00:58

man, fantastic. You're just as

1:01:00

great watching you now when I'm 33

1:01:02

as when I was nine years old.

1:01:05

There's nothing bad about that performance. I have no

1:01:07

idea why anybody ever criticized him. It's

1:01:10

just fantastic. The pod race scene,

1:01:12

Qui-Gon Jinn, the duel of the

1:01:14

fates, the music, that movie is

1:01:17

fantastic. It's my new hope because I

1:01:19

wasn't old enough. He obviously wasn't born at

1:01:21

the time, you know, but I was

1:01:23

a little kid. I was nine years old and that was

1:01:25

my new hope. And, uh, so I just wanted to say

1:01:27

that I told Tyler the same thing. Luke, you were, you

1:01:29

were the reason, you know, you was a nine year old.

1:01:34

That's, that's one of the reasons why George started

1:01:37

telling Anakin story at that age

1:01:40

because that that's, that was George's

1:01:43

audience in his mind. Well, yeah,

1:01:45

nine, 10 year old kids. It

1:01:47

certainly wasn't old guys like it would make.

1:01:50

He got the original trilogy era. He

1:01:52

was crafting a film for kids

1:01:54

because he had a kid, you

1:01:56

know, his son was. somewhere

1:02:00

close to that age, I would say in 99. And

1:02:05

that was what a great, what

1:02:08

a great gateway for younger fans

1:02:10

to get into Star Wars at

1:02:13

the turn of the century. I mean, a lot

1:02:16

of older fans were crapping all over it

1:02:18

and everything, but look at you, you're a

1:02:21

perfect example of somebody whose

1:02:23

fandom was forged by those

1:02:26

films. And in a very

1:02:28

profound way too. All

1:02:30

right, Luke, thanks for calling buddy. Appreciate it. Uh,

1:02:33

yeah, the, the, uh, exchange

1:02:36

that she has with Thrawn. So she

1:02:39

essentially pledges her allegiance to Thrawn.

1:02:42

So by the end of that second episode,

1:02:44

you realize that the, uh, alliance between

1:02:47

the two is, is there. And

1:02:50

she goes in full tilt to

1:02:54

take her place there as, as one

1:02:56

of Thrawn's, um, do I dare

1:02:58

say acolytes? She's definitely a Thrawn

1:03:00

acolyte. And

1:03:03

then we get into, that's for sure. Right. Right.

1:03:05

And they don't just take anybody.

1:03:07

Oh, I should mention here, uh,

1:03:10

we get a nice, uh, for you, uh,

1:03:13

EU fans, the nice Rook appearance, Rook, we,

1:03:15

we saw him in Rebels, but he looks,

1:03:17

uh, you know, this is

1:03:19

the makeovers that these characters get from the rebels,

1:03:21

the ones that have premiered

1:03:24

in rebels and that they get as in sort

1:03:26

of the Clone Wars style is great. You know,

1:03:29

we haven't seen, uh, Thrawn as

1:03:31

done in Clone Wars style. We haven't seen

1:03:33

Rook done in Clone Wars style, but here

1:03:36

they are. And they're

1:03:38

great. They look fantastic. I love that style.

1:03:40

Yeah. Yeah. Not only

1:03:42

did the characters look fantastic, but

1:03:45

the action sequence was outstanding. Morrigan

1:03:47

versus Rook. It was

1:03:49

really great fight choreography. I

1:03:51

really enjoyed it when she took the spear

1:03:53

and jammed it into the handle of the

1:03:55

blade he was swinging around. She started whipping

1:03:57

that sucker. Oh, that was, that was really.

1:04:00

Well, she was using the Beskar spear

1:04:02

in that fight. Yes, you

1:04:04

had the same Beskar spear she

1:04:06

fights Ahsoka Tano with in the

1:04:08

Mandalorian. And then Pelian

1:04:10

appears and reveals it was a

1:04:12

test to make sure she

1:04:15

could handle herself. And

1:04:17

for the most part, she's been

1:04:20

officially recruited after that test

1:04:22

because Pelian says, I look forward to

1:04:24

working with you. So

1:04:26

it's a real, you know, welcome aboard,

1:04:29

soldier. You are now a

1:04:31

member of the Empire. Now Pelian- Rondon

1:04:33

shows up. Yes. Now

1:04:35

Pelian, we didn't see Pelian in Rebels,

1:04:38

did we? We saw Pelian in-

1:04:40

Oh, yes, he did. Oh, we did see Pelian in

1:04:42

Rebels. Yes. So now Pelian has been

1:04:44

in Rebels, one

1:04:46

version of Pelian, the Rebels animation.

1:04:48

We've seen him now in Tails,

1:04:51

which is sort of the Clone Wars style of

1:04:53

animation. Then we saw

1:04:55

him in Mandalorian in

1:04:57

live action. He was part of the Shadow

1:05:00

Council. Yes,

1:05:02

all of the above. Boy, for a

1:05:04

character that started out kind of obscure

1:05:06

and just in those original

1:05:09

Zahn novels, he's quite

1:05:12

prolific now. Showed up in a lot of

1:05:14

places. I'm not 100%

1:05:16

sure on the Rebels. Well, I

1:05:18

know that Rook was, Rook was, we saw Rook.

1:05:21

No, he was, he was. Okay,

1:05:24

he appeared in the last episode, but

1:05:26

I think it was just over a

1:05:28

comm link. You

1:05:31

didn't physically see him, but you heard him? Am

1:05:34

I remembering that correctly? Gang in the

1:05:36

chat? Possibly. I

1:05:39

don't know. I don't know. I'm

1:05:43

pretty sure he was at least referenced in

1:05:45

Rebels at some point, but Pelian,

1:05:49

obviously a very important character in

1:05:51

the Thrawn trilogy from Timothy Zahn. As

1:05:53

a matter of fact, I believe

1:05:55

the first dialogue in those novels in

1:05:58

the book, Heir to the I

1:06:00

believe he had the first dialogue. I mean

1:06:02

he's like the first character that we get

1:06:05

introduced to. Gosh, you're right. You're right. After

1:06:07

the, because I think there's the prologue with

1:06:09

Luke and Ben. Right?

1:06:11

And Ben says that he's not going to be

1:06:13

able to appear to Luke anymore. I thought that

1:06:15

was the prologue. I think that even appeared after

1:06:18

Pelian was introduced. Oh really? The way that... It's

1:06:20

been a while. The way that Zahn wrote these

1:06:22

novels, he rolled them out like Star Wars films.

1:06:25

And at that point we only had the three

1:06:27

from the original trilogy. All three

1:06:29

of those films begin with an

1:06:31

Imperial starship. And so

1:06:33

Zahn took

1:06:35

that and ran with it. You're right. You

1:06:37

get introduced to the Empire first in Air

1:06:43

to the Empire with a scene on

1:06:45

the bridge that introduces Grand Admiral Thrawn

1:06:47

and everything. Then the cutaway to Luke

1:06:50

with Ben saying, Luke,

1:06:53

my time here is over. They want

1:06:55

me to be a ghost full-time. But

1:06:59

like, you can't see me no more. I got to

1:07:01

go. I got to go be dead. There's a lot

1:07:03

of things you got to do when you're dead and

1:07:05

they want me to get to work doing it. So

1:07:07

I'm out of here. Bye. Oh

1:07:10

man. Yeah. I remember. Wow. What

1:07:12

a bummer. What a bummer that was for Luke.

1:07:14

By the way, most of the folks here tonight,

1:07:16

it seems, certainly those that are

1:07:18

already called us up want

1:07:21

to talk about the Barris Offee arc. So if you want

1:07:23

to talk about Morgan Ellsbet, that's the number 7 0 8

1:07:25

8 6 6 1 7 3 7. Now's

1:07:30

your time to get on because I don't care

1:07:32

how long these Barris Offee people have

1:07:34

been waiting. I'm going to go and I'm going to talk

1:07:36

to the Morgan Ellsbet right now

1:07:38

because that's what we're talking about. So

1:07:41

we'll get, we'll get to it was all

1:07:43

rolled out, you know. Yeah. We'll get, we'll

1:07:45

get to everybody. Okay. So the third episode

1:07:47

of Path of Hate is

1:07:49

a quickie, a little 13 minute

1:07:52

episode. And, but it's,

1:07:54

it's significant. It takes place. It's really

1:07:56

a, I think a prequel to when

1:07:58

we first meet Morgan. there

1:08:00

on Corvus in season

1:08:02

two of Mandalorian. Absolutely,

1:08:04

yes. So it definitely leads you into there. We

1:08:07

see Wing. And there's this ambassador that shows

1:08:11

up from the New Republic, N'Dora.

1:08:15

And I don't think we've seen

1:08:17

N'Dora before. I think she's a new character for

1:08:20

this episode. No, thank God. She's a new character.

1:08:22

She is voiced by voice actor

1:08:24

Shelby Young, who is also

1:08:26

known as providing the voice of

1:08:28

Princess Leia in Force of Destiny. Oh,

1:08:31

is that right? Yeah, she's been

1:08:33

Leia in Lego Star Wars shows, all

1:08:36

kinds of things. So she

1:08:38

definitely has Star Wars Street Cred as

1:08:41

she voices Ambassador N'Dora in this

1:08:44

Return to Corvus episode. And we

1:08:46

were watching this in the hotel

1:08:48

room. And when these soldiers

1:08:50

showed up, our buddy Joel Kramer

1:08:52

goes, oh, look, Matt Lantor troopers. So

1:08:55

that is the

1:08:58

New Republic troopers are now Matt

1:09:00

Lantor troopers. Matt was the first

1:09:02

one we really saw wearing that

1:09:04

uniform. So this is, it

1:09:07

indicates to you where we are on the timeline.

1:09:09

Yes. We're definitely post

1:09:11

Return of the Jedi. So a

1:09:13

big leap from the previous

1:09:16

episode when Morgan has established

1:09:18

herself there on Corvus. Now

1:09:21

she's been in charge for

1:09:23

what, 20, 25 years.

1:09:26

So you have to

1:09:29

keep that in account with everything that's

1:09:31

happening in this episode. Her power has

1:09:33

grown and she's become distant and

1:09:36

aloof, unavailable to the people who

1:09:38

she rules

1:09:42

over with an iron fist,

1:09:44

kind of like the Emperor himself. Yeah.

1:09:47

And there's some dialogue later

1:09:51

on when she's talking

1:09:53

to, actually, maybe

1:09:57

that was in the last episode. Was she talking

1:09:59

to? wing in the last, yes, she's talking

1:10:02

to wing in the last episode and

1:10:04

he says to her, but you promised

1:10:06

us work and prosperity and

1:10:09

she says the Empire wants only

1:10:11

your resources not your people and

1:10:13

not my ideas. She doesn't even

1:10:15

say our people, she says your

1:10:18

people. So she's definitely an outsider

1:10:20

ruler type, you know, they want

1:10:22

your resources and your people not

1:10:24

my ideas. So she definitely even

1:10:27

back then is seeing herself as

1:10:29

something separate maybe better

1:10:31

than. Well wing

1:10:34

was the former governor of

1:10:36

Corvus so she sort

1:10:39

of she sort

1:10:41

of took his power, you

1:10:43

know, yeah, and replaced him. She

1:10:45

over-threwed him to her because

1:10:48

he said, yeah, she did it in a way that

1:10:50

she never allowed the witch to take over. Right,

1:10:53

right. You know, and it was all about

1:10:55

it was all about those bread and butter

1:10:57

issues, jobs and stuff like that. So I

1:10:59

don't think there was an election but I

1:11:01

think she probably had a popular groundswell of

1:11:04

support because she was promising

1:11:06

prosperity and you know all

1:11:08

the all the jobs were going

1:11:10

to Mexico there from Corvus. They were going to

1:11:12

China or wherever, Taiwan,

1:11:14

China, wherever. Yeah,

1:11:18

the jobs went elsewhere. Right. Tattooine.

1:11:20

But what's interesting about

1:11:22

Nadora is she's actually from Corvus so

1:11:26

she's coming back to sort of, right,

1:11:28

you know, and she's shocked because wing

1:11:30

has no clue that there's been a

1:11:34

fall of the of the Empire. That's

1:11:36

how locked down everybody is and everything

1:11:38

is. They're closed off. He

1:11:40

didn't even know it and the

1:11:43

proposition that she brings, now this

1:11:45

is interesting as we're

1:11:47

starting to learn about the New

1:11:49

Republic, the proposition that

1:11:52

Nadora brings to Morgan

1:11:55

is she says, I brought

1:11:57

a petition to the Senate for Corvus to become a

1:11:59

member. planet. Yay, good news. They're

1:12:02

willing to accept so you can be a member

1:12:04

of the New Republic. But first

1:12:06

you have to step down and relinquish

1:12:09

your control of the local systems. If

1:12:12

you will not comply, I will have to

1:12:14

arrest you. These are pretty,

1:12:16

I would say, pretty harsh,

1:12:21

aggressive tactics by the New Republic. Like, hey,

1:12:23

you want to be a member of our

1:12:25

club? If

1:12:27

so, we're going to take all your power away.

1:12:30

And if you don't want to be a member of our club,

1:12:32

we're going to throw you in prison. Do

1:12:37

you accept our terms? Right. She

1:12:39

goes, no. Attack these suckers. Of

1:12:42

course Morgan pushes back. She has

1:12:44

attack droids. She also has other

1:12:48

soldiers at her disposal, who we see later

1:12:50

when they burn down the forest. But

1:12:52

yeah, she's not going to

1:12:54

accept those terms. Even though

1:12:57

Neruda says

1:12:59

she wants to help Morgan

1:13:02

get a fair trial. Hey,

1:13:04

a trial is a trial. Okay. Fair or

1:13:06

not. Right. Yeah, right. Morgan is not going

1:13:09

to put herself in front of the tribunal

1:13:11

to have

1:13:14

the sentence put down on her,

1:13:16

which she knows is inevitable. So

1:13:18

she tells her droids to attack.

1:13:21

Right. And then there

1:13:23

is one line here that she says

1:13:25

to Neruda, because Neruda, she remembers her.

1:13:27

She was from, she says, Oh, you

1:13:30

didn't, you left years ago because you didn't want

1:13:32

to work in our factories. But

1:13:34

she says, I've had a vision and

1:13:36

I will fulfill my destiny. This is Morgan

1:13:39

to, uh, Neruda. And

1:13:42

we know that part

1:13:45

of what's motivating her in the Filoni

1:13:48

verse is this, this vision,

1:13:51

this vision of thrones returned,

1:13:53

this vision of bringing the,

1:13:55

uh, the night sisters back.

1:13:57

The night sisters are speaking to Morgan.

1:14:00

in her dreams or something.

1:14:02

So this is definitely

1:14:04

telegraphing that she's already begun at

1:14:06

this point, having those visions, having

1:14:08

those dreams or whatever they are

1:14:11

about ushering in a new era with

1:14:14

Thrawn and resurrecting her

1:14:17

sisters. Yeah.

1:14:20

Yeah. I'm sorry,

1:14:22

I've been reading

1:14:24

this. Oh, no, that's okay.

1:14:26

That's all right. So then- I'll admit it,

1:14:28

I wasn't even listening to you, man. It was a great point.

1:14:31

I was looking at what people are saying in the chat. I

1:14:33

got to forget the chat. That's

1:14:35

a big distraction. Don't distract Jimmy

1:14:38

Mack. You people in the chat?

1:14:40

No, I distracted myself. I turned the chat off.

1:14:42

Don't distract with that interesting conversation. But then they

1:14:44

raise the forest. She instructs her

1:14:47

her minions to go out there. And of course, this

1:14:49

is the condition that we would see it then when

1:14:51

we see it in Mandalorian season two.

1:14:53

Now, it seems interesting to me that I'm Morgan Elsbeth,

1:14:56

who is bragging to the

1:14:58

Imperial Moffs about the resources, the

1:15:00

plentiful resources that she goes out

1:15:02

and destroys to the trees. It

1:15:04

seems like in that case, she's

1:15:06

destroying the resources. I think it

1:15:09

was done as a method of

1:15:12

intimidation to keep the people

1:15:14

in line- Yeah, definitely. To show

1:15:16

how quickly things can get destroyed

1:15:18

if Morgan Elsbeth wants them

1:15:20

to be destroyed. So it

1:15:22

was just a thing because you saw the

1:15:25

citizens in the village all reacting like

1:15:27

you would if they burned down the

1:15:29

forest next to your house. You would

1:15:31

probably be very upset about that and

1:15:34

they're feeling it in the village. And I think that's

1:15:37

just a way for Morgan to

1:15:39

keep everyone in line. It's a

1:15:41

method of intimidation. But it's great

1:15:43

that we get to see it

1:15:45

because one of the questions I

1:15:47

had when Din Jaren appeared on

1:15:49

Corvus was, why

1:15:52

are all the trees burnt out? I just

1:15:54

didn't understand it. Right. Well, I thought it

1:15:56

would all make sense. I thought it was

1:15:58

an example could be. We

1:16:01

know definitively why because we actually see it in front

1:16:03

of our eyes. But I think

1:16:05

the idea at the time, at least

1:16:08

the way I interpreted it, was this

1:16:10

was an overly mined, overly harvested in

1:16:12

terms of resources, planet, so it was

1:16:14

nothing left. But you know there's no

1:16:16

nutrients for the trees. But

1:16:19

I think you're right that it was

1:16:21

definitely intimidation. And she says

1:16:23

to her people, she

1:16:25

says, I understand that you must be frightened.

1:16:29

But I'm here to reassure you, you're

1:16:31

all under my protection. So she's sort

1:16:33

of created this the

1:16:35

illusion of war or

1:16:37

of battle. The fires will

1:16:40

continue. You're all under my protection. The fires

1:16:42

will continue burning. You will work night and

1:16:45

day, but you do so knowing that you'll

1:16:47

be part of an effort that will save

1:16:49

our galaxy from ruin. So

1:16:51

that sort of like... She's burning the forest.

1:16:54

She's burning the forest to send a

1:16:56

message. And look, the forest is burning.

1:16:58

It's gonna keep on burning. Be happy

1:17:01

you're not burning. You can be burning,

1:17:03

but you're not. Count your

1:17:05

blessing, schools. Yes, so that's

1:17:08

exactly why she torched

1:17:10

the place. So

1:17:15

yeah, so this is the ushering of Thrawn. Then we've

1:17:18

got the death

1:17:21

of N'Dora.

1:17:23

And if you... I guess

1:17:25

some people might have recognized the voice, but at the

1:17:27

end she's telling Wing to be steadfast

1:17:31

and to be ready

1:17:34

to do his part, even if it's small, he can

1:17:36

make a difference. Then she has the comm link. And

1:17:38

on the other end of the comm link you hear, who

1:17:40

is this? I received your distress signal. Come in, who

1:17:43

is this? And the captions

1:17:45

reveal that it's Bo-Katan. So Bo-Katan

1:17:48

is on the other side of that comm.

1:17:50

Well I recognized Katie's voice the second I

1:17:52

heard it. And I

1:17:54

anticipated that she would be

1:17:56

on the other end of the line, because in Mandalorian

1:17:59

season... season two when

1:18:01

Din is looking for

1:18:04

Ahsoka or he's just looking for

1:18:06

somebody to train the kid to

1:18:08

be with Grogu, to teach Grogu

1:18:10

the ways of the Jedi, he

1:18:12

meets Bo-Katan and Bo-Katan knows where

1:18:14

Ahsoka is and she points

1:18:17

Din in the direction of Corvus. Why

1:18:20

does she know Ahsoka's there? Because

1:18:23

Bo then went to investigate

1:18:26

this distress call she received

1:18:28

from Neruda and discovered

1:18:31

what Morgan Elsbeth has going

1:18:34

on on Corvus, maybe even

1:18:36

Bo interrogated or interviewed

1:18:40

Morgan Elsbeth and

1:18:42

got, realized that Morgan was

1:18:46

somebody who was an ally of Thrawn

1:18:48

and put

1:18:50

two and two together and then

1:18:52

Ahsoka comes knocking on Bo-Katan's door

1:18:54

and says hey do you

1:18:56

know anything about how to find Grand

1:18:58

Admiral Thrawn, I'm trying to find Ezra

1:19:01

and she goes oh I know somebody who

1:19:03

might know and that's how Ahsoka ends up

1:19:06

on Corvus. This is a

1:19:08

great foundation and backstory for

1:19:10

that episode of the Mandalorian and

1:19:13

for the Ahsoka series in general.

1:19:16

It's great stuff to have, I

1:19:18

mean it really helps provide some

1:19:20

backbone. Yeah I

1:19:22

want to address something here

1:19:24

and I'm sure we'll have some collars that will, and

1:19:27

hopefully we'll have collars that disagree, but

1:19:29

I have, you know as much as I

1:19:31

try not to really, especially not until we

1:19:33

have a chance to have our say here

1:19:35

on the after shows, I try not to

1:19:38

really just bathe too much in

1:19:40

other people's opinions, but I

1:19:42

have seen some disappointment with Tales of the Empire

1:19:44

and I hate

1:19:47

using this defense because in a lot of cases

1:19:49

I don't think that it's a good defense about

1:19:52

tampering your expectations, but

1:19:55

with something like this, if

1:19:58

you were really hoping to have your mind, blind-blown

1:20:01

or some huge window

1:20:04

just blown open in the

1:20:06

Star Wars galaxy. I

1:20:08

think that you were mistaken. I

1:20:10

think that this, just like the

1:20:12

old tales from the most precisely

1:20:14

Cantina and the other tales of

1:20:16

books, they were meant, I believe,

1:20:19

to be smaller stories, to

1:20:21

give you more insight into

1:20:23

various characters, little exploratory stories.

1:20:26

And I'm not trying to, you know, I'm not

1:20:28

an apologist here, but I

1:20:30

do think that there's room and utility

1:20:32

in having this type of storytelling

1:20:35

that gives us these backstories and things

1:20:37

like this. So I get

1:20:41

it if you were really hoping

1:20:43

for something different, but I

1:20:45

think you were kidding yourself going into this. I

1:20:47

think you should have known that this was going

1:20:49

to be small

1:20:51

bites. But necessary.

1:20:54

Good bites, they taste great. I

1:20:56

think at least all three of these I

1:20:58

felt tasted really good. I really am grateful

1:21:00

for the exposition on this

1:21:03

character. So definitely I'll take that

1:21:05

in with me when I do a rewatch of Ahsoka.

1:21:08

Some people were saying, you know, why Borgen?

1:21:11

This is a character I didn't need to know anything more

1:21:14

about, but I don't know about that because I

1:21:17

adore seasons one and two of

1:21:19

The Mandalorian. And anything that

1:21:21

could provide some background to some

1:21:23

of that stuff in these characters

1:21:25

that just pop up out of

1:21:28

nowhere like Morgan Elsbath, I

1:21:30

think that that's very valuable storytelling

1:21:33

and something that fits in well

1:21:35

to the overall saga.

1:21:40

So people are saying, why Morgan? You brought up the Tales

1:21:42

of the Mos Eisley novel from the 90s. And

1:21:45

I think of that too when people

1:21:48

say why Morgan? Well, I don't know.

1:21:50

I read full chapters on Walrus Man

1:21:52

and, you know. I was thinking the

1:21:54

same thing. There's so much

1:21:57

love for the West End

1:21:59

Games. books. And

1:22:01

you talk about minutia. I

1:22:04

mean that wasn't epic, but it filled

1:22:06

in all these gaps that we didn't

1:22:08

have at the time and

1:22:10

put an official canonical stamp on them. And

1:22:14

anything that provides some fortification

1:22:16

for the storytelling going on

1:22:18

in Ahsoka, I think is

1:22:21

really necessary because that

1:22:23

story needs a lot of fortification.

1:22:25

There's a lot of gaping holes in

1:22:28

that story, per my perspective.

1:22:31

And I think that little

1:22:33

taste of the background that

1:22:35

we get of characters like Morgan

1:22:37

Elsbeth in the Tales of the

1:22:39

Empire anthology

1:22:42

is really valuable

1:22:44

stuff. So

1:22:46

I listen, I'm like everyone else

1:22:48

too. I'm like, hey Lucasfilm, quit

1:22:50

tippy-toeing around the good stuff and

1:22:53

just bring it already. Where's our Darth

1:22:55

Vader animated series? Give us some real

1:22:59

good stuff. Give us an animated series

1:23:01

that features Han, Luke, and Leia, Chewy,

1:23:03

3PO, and R2, and place it

1:23:06

between the three-year window between A

1:23:08

New Hope and Empire Strikes Back.

1:23:10

Why can't you do that? Why

1:23:12

leave that all up to the

1:23:14

comic books? Why don't you

1:23:17

pony up and

1:23:19

take the big leap as opposed

1:23:22

to this tiptoeing around the good

1:23:24

stuff that they do? I think

1:23:27

it comes from a lack of confidence

1:23:29

from Lucasfilm as a studio and from

1:23:31

Lucasfilm as storytellers. They get

1:23:33

intimidated by going after

1:23:35

the big stories and they also

1:23:38

feel like, well

1:23:40

if we tell these big stories, what are

1:23:42

we gonna do in the future? I'm like,

1:23:44

you know, live in the present. Think about

1:23:46

the present. Attack this up.

1:23:48

There are thousands of old ladies that keeps

1:23:51

the plastic on the couch. You're waiting. When

1:23:53

are you? What are you waiting for? Enjoy

1:23:55

the furniture now. We're all here now. Lucasfilm.

1:23:59

take the plastic off the

1:24:01

sofa and let us put our

1:24:03

butts deep into those cushions. Now

1:24:06

come on! All right,

1:24:08

but all in all, I think this, you know,

1:24:10

to get back to what we're saying, this Morgan

1:24:12

Ellsbeth arc I think is a very solid arc.

1:24:15

I think it tells a story, all

1:24:17

three of them together to form one

1:24:19

story. And I think

1:24:21

the Tales of the Empire anthology, this

1:24:23

series, is more effective

1:24:25

than the Tales of the Jedi series

1:24:27

that preceded it. I think there's

1:24:30

much more going on in this series and

1:24:32

I was quite happy with it. Yeah,

1:24:34

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1:25:11

has got a super chat here. She says,

1:25:13

Happy Teacher Appreciation Week to all the teachers

1:25:15

here in the Star Wars community. May the

1:25:17

force be with you always. Yes, yes, yes.

1:25:19

Yes. We love our teachers. Mm-hmm.

1:25:23

I was really happy when during

1:25:25

the live show in Bristol, when Joe

1:25:28

Dallas was on stage and we mentioned

1:25:30

that he's a guy who,

1:25:33

for his day job, he's an

1:25:36

educator to children about music. And

1:25:39

that got a nice little round of

1:25:41

applause there. People do appreciate

1:25:43

that. And Tanya, we appreciate you and

1:25:45

everything you do to form the minds

1:25:47

of the future. We sure do. The

1:25:50

MintGreenBird asks, you guys

1:25:53

see the new What If Star Wars show

1:25:55

Lego is putting out. It's interesting because they're

1:25:57

making the toys for it. Dark Side Falcon,

1:25:59

Darth Jar Jar. I didn't think it was a

1:26:01

show I thought it was a game But

1:26:03

it was a video game. That's

1:26:05

kind of a little behind on that info. Yeah

1:26:07

I can't if you're in the chat in there

1:26:09

No, I thought what I took from that was

1:26:12

it was a trailer for a game, but Shoot,

1:26:15

maybe I'm mistaken Salvi

1:26:18

crumb. What's that? There's

1:26:20

a trailer and everything. Yeah, there's a trailer and everything. I thought

1:26:22

it was I thought it was for a game I'll

1:26:25

be crum says my desk. What do we see

1:26:27

next tales of the bounty hunters tales of the

1:26:29

clones tales of the puffer pig Possibilities

1:26:32

are endless. I would love to see any

1:26:34

of those Maybe

1:26:36

not the puffer pig so much, but

1:26:38

definitely bounty hunters definitely clones. I'm open.

1:26:41

I'm open You know, let's get

1:26:43

a Cad Bane origin story or episode about

1:26:45

him or Or

1:26:47

somebody that we haven't heard much, you know, where's 4

1:26:49

LOM? Let's get his story Yeah, I

1:26:52

would place it in the original trilogy timeline

1:26:55

What about a Zuckus? Where's

1:26:57

Zuckus be a great? Yeah, it was

1:26:59

a bounty hunter could be very good, right?

1:27:03

And then we got David says

1:27:05

enjoyed front outdoor and patio after-party

1:27:07

in Bristol. Yes, David Yes, it

1:27:09

made some friends and I actually

1:27:12

like Malort a little Did

1:27:17

Barris survive the stab or die. Well, we're

1:27:19

gonna talk about it, but she

1:27:22

did She did. Oh,

1:27:24

yeah. Yeah, she did. I

1:27:26

think it's pretty I think pretty it's pretty conclusive We'll

1:27:29

get into it here in a minute. But we

1:27:31

got a we oh, oh no. Do we have

1:27:33

seven minutes to bedtime? Let's do

1:27:35

it Hey

1:27:38

Blake, you see how

1:27:42

quick I was on the button this week, buddy. Yeah, that

1:27:44

was fast. Yeah Click

1:27:51

the button as soon as you clicked it

1:27:53

then the intro place out of fast.

1:27:55

Yeah, I know I got fast fingers

1:27:57

All right, Blake. I know that you've

1:27:59

got got a bedtime here in the next few

1:28:01

minutes. I've also been told

1:28:03

you only have two weeks left to school, is

1:28:05

that right? Dang, school year's out? Yeah. Yeah.

1:28:09

I guess so. All

1:28:12

right, so what did you think of Tales of

1:28:14

the Empire? Tales of the Empire

1:28:17

was awesome. It fills

1:28:19

up a bunch of different plot

1:28:22

points that we needed between Morgan

1:28:25

and like everyone.

1:28:28

What one character who stood

1:28:30

out to me throughout this entire thing

1:28:33

is Maroc. He

1:28:36

technically ties these two stories together.

1:28:40

He's in

1:28:42

the first part

1:28:44

and the second part. He's with

1:28:46

Morgan and he's with,

1:28:50

what's your name? Well, he's not really, you don't

1:28:53

see him... Hold on, I'm gonna

1:28:56

have to correct you, Blake, unless you know something I

1:28:58

don't. Yes, so

1:29:00

Maroc, we know Maroc

1:29:02

is part of Morgan's

1:29:06

gang that we see in Ahsoka.

1:29:09

Maroc is part of that. We don't see him

1:29:11

in these episodes, but I do

1:29:13

agree with you that from a

1:29:15

certain point of view, Maroc kind

1:29:18

of unites these two because you got

1:29:20

Barris fighting alongside Maroc as far as,

1:29:22

you know, being an inquisitor and then

1:29:25

that's the same character that shows up

1:29:27

later in the story of

1:29:29

the character that we kind of were introduced

1:29:32

to in the first three episodes. So yes,

1:29:35

unless I missed it, was Maroc, Maroc wasn't in those

1:29:38

first three gaps, right? No,

1:29:40

I didn't see him. No,

1:29:42

he wasn't in them, but

1:29:45

I'm trying to get to like, he kind

1:29:47

of ties the two stories together. I feel

1:29:50

like there's more to Maroc

1:29:53

or Maroc. I

1:29:55

call him Maroc. Yeah, I'm gonna call him Maroc

1:29:57

too. I like how that sounds. It's like the Rock. But

1:30:00

it's Murak. Yeah, Murak. Okay.

1:30:03

Let's make that policy on RFR now. He's

1:30:05

Murak from this point forward. But he

1:30:07

would... And he would just end up being... He would

1:30:09

just end up being a green

1:30:11

gas. I feel like

1:30:13

there's a reason to that. Okay. I

1:30:17

feel like he feels like he's a

1:30:19

clone, like a clone trooper. And

1:30:22

I feel like he's definitely a lot like

1:30:24

a clone. He acts like

1:30:26

a clone, follows every order, doesn't speak

1:30:28

much, just goes in, fights, does what

1:30:31

he does, and then he's out. And

1:30:33

I feel like he was a

1:30:35

normal clone trooper, but he

1:30:37

was probably the first experiment clone

1:30:40

X. That's how he has

1:30:42

force abilities, because they were just trying out a bunch

1:30:45

of things on him to try

1:30:47

to make clone X. And

1:30:49

he came out with force abilities.

1:30:53

So then they found out he has force abilities, then

1:30:55

later on, turned him into an Inquisitor

1:30:58

to help the Empire

1:31:01

invader. So

1:31:03

he turned into that, and then

1:31:05

I think Grand Admiral Thrawn... Well,

1:31:08

right now it's Admiral Thrawn. I feel

1:31:10

like he finds a way to get

1:31:12

in contact with the

1:31:14

Inquisitor's Murak and all that. And

1:31:18

he has Murak help Morgan,

1:31:20

since they're teamed up together, him

1:31:23

and Morgan are. So then Murak gets

1:31:25

involved in this, and that's how he's

1:31:28

into a soaker. I'll buy that. And I feel

1:31:30

like, wow, he's... I

1:31:33

will buy that Thrawn

1:31:35

is the connection between

1:31:38

Murak and Morgan. I'll

1:31:42

buy that, yeah. I

1:31:45

don't understand why the guy is just green

1:31:47

gas. So

1:31:52

when you're talking about him... I

1:31:55

struggle when you're talking about him saying, you know, he's

1:31:57

like a clone, he's like a this, he's like a...

1:32:00

He's like a cloud of poo gas.

1:32:03

Well, I feel like he's like

1:32:06

that because he might have been

1:32:08

protecting Morgan at some point.

1:32:10

Then he died, but then the

1:32:13

Nightsisters revived him and that's how

1:32:15

whenever he dies, it's just gas.

1:32:20

Right. It's that witch. Yeah, that witchy green

1:32:22

gas. David in the chat

1:32:24

agrees. He says he must be reanimated by

1:32:26

magic. So maybe what you're talking about. There's

1:32:28

a history of him when he

1:32:30

was before he was reanimated

1:32:33

and then, you

1:32:35

know, he was such

1:32:38

an asset that they they decided to reanimate him.

1:32:40

I get it. I get it. We

1:32:44

haven't talked much about the Barris off the

1:32:46

Ark. We're going to jump into that. But

1:32:48

any any thoughts you want to give us

1:32:50

before we dive into old

1:32:53

Barris? I feel like that those

1:32:56

three episodes were pretty good.

1:32:59

Like they definitely added

1:33:01

on to her story, which what needed

1:33:03

to be completed. They just left her.

1:33:06

We didn't know anything about her trial. She

1:33:08

says about how she was the one who

1:33:11

bombed the Jedi Temple and then that's all we

1:33:13

get it. And she's gone. She

1:33:16

gone. She wants to like it

1:33:18

definitely fixed up a

1:33:20

bunch of plot

1:33:23

points that were needed for her.

1:33:27

Yeah. Yeah, it was

1:33:29

something that we needed. That's for sure. Maybe

1:33:31

we'll get that that

1:33:33

Cody story that everybody wants. So we

1:33:35

see Cody behind every corner now. Oh,

1:33:38

this is going to happen and then Cody is going

1:33:40

to show up. So he's

1:33:42

one of those. Well, that's the great thing

1:33:45

about having closure to Barris's story. She's

1:33:47

not this this element that's

1:33:49

out there that could be dropped into

1:33:52

play at any given time. Her

1:33:54

story has been told now. Yeah,

1:33:56

so it removes her from the

1:33:58

playing field. killed. Yeah,

1:34:02

she's dead. Dead, dead,

1:34:04

dead. There's no coming back for

1:34:06

Barris Offee. All right,

1:34:08

Blake, we got to get you off the bed,

1:34:10

buddy, but you got any last thoughts here before

1:34:12

we let you go? Um, yeah,

1:34:14

I'm going to say how so this,

1:34:16

I know you guys are just talking

1:34:19

about this with a secret chat, but

1:34:21

no one else has talked about in

1:34:23

the chat or anything. So is no

1:34:25

one just going to talk about how

1:34:27

we got Darth Jar Jar finally, after

1:34:29

all this time. We finally

1:34:31

got Darth Jar Jar. We got Darth

1:34:33

Jar Jar. He's probably the first one

1:34:36

to say the word. I've been

1:34:40

working with you that for so long.

1:34:42

I make jokes about it all the

1:34:44

time. Anytime they have like one of the,

1:34:46

I was excited for Tales of the Empire. See

1:34:49

if we get anything about Darth Jar Jar. We're

1:34:52

getting it in Waco.

1:34:56

Blake, is it, is it a video game

1:34:58

or is it a series? It's

1:35:00

a TV series. It is. I

1:35:03

watched that thing and I thought it was a damn,

1:35:06

I thought it was a game.

1:35:08

And I even switched breaking out the joysticks.

1:35:10

It's oh my God. I was like, Hey, Park,

1:35:12

no, no, you have to do is watch Star

1:35:15

Wars Lego game coming at. Okay. So it's a

1:35:18

series. Okay. Well, I'll like that because I don't have

1:35:20

to, I don't like to have to like work for

1:35:22

my stories. So I just turn on

1:35:25

the TV and fire it up. All right.

1:35:27

We can look forward to the what

1:35:29

if series, uh, where

1:35:32

they're re building the

1:35:34

galaxy or something like that. All

1:35:36

right, buddy. Hey, have a great last couple of weeks to

1:35:38

school. We'll catch you, uh, next month

1:35:40

with the acolyte. Okay. Okay.

1:35:43

All right, buddy. Thank

1:35:45

you. There he goes. Blake. There goes.

1:35:48

I must've been driving

1:35:51

this guy. A saber Smith crazy.

1:35:53

He's like, Jesus, thank you. Blake.

1:35:55

Oh, here in the city. It's

1:35:57

not know what they're talking about. It's driving

1:35:59

me crazy. Oh, thank God for

1:36:01

Blake. Yeah,

1:36:04

thank God. Sabre. What's his name?

1:36:06

Sabre. The Sabre Smith. I love

1:36:09

Sabre Smith. Sabre Smith. It's a series, you moron!

1:36:12

Finally has an ally. Someone

1:36:15

is finally agreeing. All right.

1:36:17

Sabre Smith. Super Chat here. Scott

1:36:20

St. Louis. Oh, Scott. Scott,

1:36:22

I got to tell you, I had

1:36:24

all intentions tonight to

1:36:27

sit here with the beautiful return of the

1:36:29

Jedi rocks glass that you got me and

1:36:32

drink out of it. And I'm at

1:36:34

dinner like an hour before the

1:36:36

show, half hour before the show. And

1:36:39

I look at my son's drinking apple juice out

1:36:41

of it. He's drinking

1:36:43

juice out of my

1:36:45

beautiful return of the Jedi rocks glass that

1:36:47

you got me. It's so kindly gave to

1:36:49

me in Bristol. So I'm sorry, I'll have

1:36:51

it on a future show. But anyway, so

1:36:53

Scott says... Absolutely mayhem in the swank house.

1:36:55

Yeah, I said, what are you doing with

1:36:58

that? So Scott says, blue milk, not in

1:37:00

this episode. What was in

1:37:02

these episodes? A good writing, fascinating characters and

1:37:04

amazing visuals. Thanks for another great show. Yeah,

1:37:08

I agree with all that. I wasn't

1:37:10

mad at this at all. I see some

1:37:12

people like they're really mad. Like this thing

1:37:14

was, you know, terrible. It was stupid. It

1:37:17

was dumb. It was like, how can you, how can

1:37:19

you hate this? I mean, it

1:37:21

to me, it was still, it was like, it was like

1:37:23

frosting, frosting on a cake. I didn't need

1:37:26

it, but I'm glad it's there.

1:37:29

Yes. Yes. Again,

1:37:31

drawing the comparison to those

1:37:33

tales of the Moss Ice

1:37:35

League cantina, tales of Jabba's

1:37:37

palace. I mean, those,

1:37:40

those are great books and really

1:37:42

expanded all of those characters in

1:37:44

the background, expanded their stories so

1:37:46

much. And we as

1:37:48

an audience really wanted that, I think. Was

1:37:51

it necessary? No, but it was

1:37:53

very entertaining. And these

1:37:56

stories, when you talk about Morgan Elsveth, especially,

1:37:58

I think these stories are really important

1:38:00

to the storytelling that's

1:38:03

going on now with

1:38:05

the live-action streaming series

1:38:08

and you know specifically the

1:38:10

Mandalorian and Silka. I mean Morgan

1:38:13

Elsbeth has emerged as a

1:38:15

very important character and I

1:38:17

think that any glimpses of

1:38:19

her backstory should be absorbed

1:38:21

by fandom because I think

1:38:23

that's really important when you

1:38:25

consider her motivations, where she

1:38:27

came from and how

1:38:29

she's tied into the whole

1:38:32

big-picture story. I think it's really

1:38:34

important and I was very thankful

1:38:36

to get this additional information about

1:38:38

her because it makes her a

1:38:41

stronger character and it's a character

1:38:43

I really like. I like the

1:38:45

actress Diana Lee and Asanto a

1:38:48

lot and I like the way

1:38:50

that she's been used as

1:38:52

a Nightsister in these

1:38:56

stories so I

1:38:59

fully embrace this stuff and I've seen some

1:39:01

of that stuff you're talking about Swankin.

1:39:04

I don't get it either. I don't

1:39:06

get it either. Yeah. But some people

1:39:08

are watching these shows through a particular

1:39:10

prism and they

1:39:12

can't see things outside of that

1:39:15

prism. Or they just

1:39:17

have such high expectations or

1:39:20

preconceived notions or something and it's like

1:39:22

wow you're really gonna set yourself up

1:39:24

for a lot of disappointment. Just go

1:39:26

in, go in, go in with an

1:39:28

open-minded and say what am I gonna

1:39:30

get out of this at this point.

1:39:33

Now I can understand if you've been

1:39:35

building up to a film release for

1:39:37

years. Yeah. Get

1:39:40

those expectations up,

1:39:43

build them up but you know something like this

1:39:46

we should probably know by now that they're not

1:39:49

reinventing the wheel but as you say Jim but

1:39:51

very necessary and grateful for it. Alright

1:39:54

let's get into the next couple of

1:39:56

episodes. We know that a

1:39:58

number of you waiting to

1:40:00

talk on the phone here with us,

1:40:03

have questions and thoughts about

1:40:05

this particular arc. I'll

1:40:07

be honest, I have fewer notes about this than

1:40:09

I did the Morgan Ellsberg. And I think it's

1:40:12

because so much of this is just right

1:40:14

there in front of your face, not

1:40:16

that it wasn't interesting

1:40:18

or anything like that, but it's

1:40:21

kind of a shorter story

1:40:24

in a lot of ways. It's a much

1:40:26

more compressed story than Morgan's that takes place

1:40:28

over a span of many years. And there's

1:40:30

kind of like three unique chapters

1:40:32

in her life that are told. But with

1:40:34

Baris Offee, I think that

1:40:36

much of this happens within, I don't

1:40:39

know, a few months of her coming out

1:40:41

of prison. Maybe not

1:40:44

the very end, the very end, I think. You're

1:40:46

right, right. We jump forward, but it's

1:40:49

also a very short episode. But

1:40:52

anyway, let's talk about Baris Offee.

1:40:55

Baris in prison and

1:40:58

is able to look, this is kind of cool, she's

1:41:00

able to look out her

1:41:02

little cell and watch,

1:41:05

if you look closely, that

1:41:07

is the Jedi Temple on fire.

1:41:09

She's literally watching Order 66 from

1:41:12

her prison cell. So.

1:41:15

She's probably thinking, hey, someone stole my idea. Right.

1:41:19

Who's blowing up the Jedi Temple now? Right.

1:41:22

That was my gig. Yeah, right, that was

1:41:24

my gig. Someone stole my

1:41:26

act. And

1:41:28

we see the shock troopers there in the

1:41:31

prison where she's being

1:41:33

held. And all

1:41:36

right, I'm gonna need some help here

1:41:38

because I'm trying to figure out how

1:41:41

much time elapses from

1:41:44

when she's seeing the Jedi Temple

1:41:46

burn to when the

1:41:49

fourth sister, Lyn, walks in

1:41:51

there. Were they all

1:41:54

just laying in

1:41:56

wait this whole time? Right, yeah,

1:41:59

I think a little. bit of time must have

1:42:01

passed. It would have to, right? It would have

1:42:03

to. Maybe two years. Because

1:42:06

yeah, the Inquisitors, that

1:42:09

whole program needed to come together, you know,

1:42:12

in the first place. Yeah. And

1:42:15

these, they're all former Jedi. The

1:42:18

Grand Inquisitor is a former Jedi

1:42:20

Temple Guard. So

1:42:22

to get them to be

1:42:24

fully committed to the Dark Side and the

1:42:26

Empire the way they are indicates

1:42:29

to me that a bit of time has

1:42:31

passed. Let's just say at least

1:42:33

a year following the events of Revenge

1:42:35

of the Sith. At least

1:42:38

a year. It would have. And that's when

1:42:40

this former Jedi, Lynne, who

1:42:42

is the fourth sister, she

1:42:44

meets Barris in prison to give

1:42:46

her an opportunity to get

1:42:49

out of prison and serve the Empire. With

1:42:53

Lynne, she's the fourth

1:42:55

sister. So I mean they're four sisters

1:42:57

deep at this point. So that indicates...

1:42:59

I've given up trying to figure that

1:43:02

out. Oh yeah, you need a scorecard for

1:43:04

all that. But yeah, the

1:43:07

episode clearly starts with the events of

1:43:09

Order 66. Right. Because we see the

1:43:11

Jedi Temple burning and then some time

1:43:13

passes, the Empire is able to establish

1:43:16

itself and the Inquisitors

1:43:18

as a level

1:43:21

of servants that

1:43:23

work under Darth Vader, they took

1:43:25

time to develop. It couldn't have

1:43:27

just happened overnight because Darth Vader

1:43:30

was himself. He needed to get

1:43:32

his feet on the ground and run in first.

1:43:35

Yeah, right. Part of me when

1:43:37

I think about the Inquisitors, I

1:43:40

think about the Sith and the Rule of

1:43:42

Two and how that's

1:43:44

being grossly violated by the

1:43:47

Inquisitors. It's providing us with

1:43:49

lots of dark side

1:43:52

users. And

1:43:55

how close to Sith are they actually as

1:43:58

far as their training? and their

1:44:00

connection to the Force. They use

1:44:03

red-bladed sabers, but

1:44:05

they're not Sith specifically.

1:44:09

And so I would struggle with that, but I

1:44:11