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last week the company formerly known as

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facebook got some suits news

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from one of it's top leaders sheryl sandberg

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announced that she will be stepping down from her role as

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the chief operating officer as matter

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and our have been chief operating officer at the

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social media teen years and

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will continue to serve on the company's board

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he visually resigns and of while of twenty

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twenty c n n the news is a big

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deal because samberg was one of the highest

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powered executives in the entire tech industry

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and sort of only second to mark zuckerberg

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in terms of her power at least bucks

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that's records in your correspondent surrey cathartic

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in in the days since sheryl sandberg announced

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her departure three this and thinking about

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the legacy so be behind and

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twelve let's just say it's complicated

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see how you mature face tux

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from a fledgling little start of answer that

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you the way profitable than wrong

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you wrote it out on loan

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nonsense the time some people thought she was

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and she also one of the few female

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leaders in the tech industry which is still heavily

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led by men

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so on the one he and she is a

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glass ceiling brink the and

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a really successful executive

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on the other hand she has been at the

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center of a lot of controversies and she's

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actually had some pr blunders so

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i think time will tell you know ultimately what her

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final legacy will be

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what did a big surprise anyone the sheryl sandberg

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decided to leave matter now and

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is there a reason why she'd toes now why this

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year

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yeah it is a question that she's in getting a law

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and early that recently people

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ask me all day yesterday why now

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why now why now is because it's time

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to write the next after my life and

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what about make sense you've been there fourteen years advise

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you know for years people have been reporting that

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her influence at facebook was waning that

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mark zuckerberg maybe didn't into her as much as

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he used to on some key issues spies

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that's been happening for a while and you

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know why this exact moment well

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there have been more and more scandal over the years

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as facebook has become more politico in

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From Cambridge analytica, all the way up until

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today, when you have issues around if

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if the right-wing in the u.s. Is being censored

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as big as, they think a lot of And

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then there's there's criticism for Sandberg

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and her management of company policies

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and how she kind of has handled some of pr

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backlash to this. She

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wasn't exactly, they're at the very beginning, but

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Sheryl Sandberg was closed. Could you take

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us back to where it all started back in? 2008?

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Sheryl, Sandberg was working for Google. And

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she was a really successful at executive Mark

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Zuckerberg was only twenty-three years years and

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he was still figuring out how to run this or

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a dorm room experiment that he had on

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Facebook Cheryl and

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Mark end up at the same holiday party that was

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thrown by the CEO of startup called Chegg.

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And as The Story Goes they

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meet the door when charles walking

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and and spend the whole party does talking to

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each other and they had this amazing conversation

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about mark zuckerberg division for faced dog and how

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is gonna connect the world and cheryl

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is super impressed seating said

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my could be the next once in a general in

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visionary that he could create something that could

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become the next google the

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they decided they're gonna run the company together and cheryl

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with the has right hand woman right

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and i'm thinking back about would facebook

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actually look like a two thousand and eight i think you could

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poke people i'm not sure if there was a

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new seed could you just tell us

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what the company was up to more broadly back then yeah

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it was definitely still in it's adolescence

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or maybe even infancy it was largely

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for college and high school sudan's and

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and it wasn't somewhere where you would go to necessarily

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read the news or talk about

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politics like maybe a lot people do today it

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was more a place where you post photos resolve

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that party his arse he of look at

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pictures of your crush and college

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and it was aspiring to be something

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a lot bigger and it was trying to

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kind of rise up to the level of a major communication

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platform the way that google is

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or a major major business

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the way that amazon as well we know now that

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facebook did rise up and become a

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huge company

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how did the platform change over the course

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of the sheryl sandberg era what did she do

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neither doing a lot more than just making

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money and figuring out and and hiding model

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for facebook she argued the had one of

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the toughest gigs in the tech industry because

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she ended up after seeing face bucks entire

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business operations so not just

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as as business and partnerships that accompanies

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which made it money but also content

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moderation recruiting pr

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and it was those long list of duty that the company

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that she took over that allowed zuckerberg

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to be yeah just focus on what he liked doing

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fast which was engineering coding

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building products and cheryl was

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the adults in the room the one who made sure that

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these books was a mature a company and

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that it can grow into the giant that it is today

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do any big milestones stand

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out during drills in birds time it's

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a fucking the last fourteen years she helped

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me spoke to figure out how to make a lot of money

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and she did that by applying some of the lessons that she

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learned a google and their massive

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advertising business and teaching the based

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on and i would say that your biggest

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milestone he was probably

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equally if not more

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one for her business accomplishment at facebook

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as she was for her public advocacy

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are women in business and she wrote lean

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and it was a new york times best seller

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and eighty of reddit award bosses and bring

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back to where santa

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we need our and

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no she basically with advocating for women

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should be more assertive in both the workplace

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and her family lives about achieving

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all they wanted to and lies that made

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her sort of corporate feminist icon and

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it also had some critics i think

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some people so pointed to a separate work

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inside it's not all about as an individual woman

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advocating for herself it's also about structural

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issues in the workplace like sexism that make it hard

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but it's another day

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they lean and was a smash hit

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and it continues to be the household

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movement name as associated with sandbags

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reputation

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while moving forward what is sheryl sandberg

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resignation mean for matter what

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happens now the departure comes at

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a time of major

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you're in key for met i am really

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social media as we know it right now

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matter stock prices his face historic

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low there's an ongoing threat

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of regulation and more scrutiny from the government

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and the company is no longer

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focusing on social media ceo mark says he

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actually wants to build the next metaverse

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and have is all living the sort of a are vr

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virtual world and some people ministry

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worry that now you would show leaving

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there won't be any one last

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the of steer zuckerberg them

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push back on some of his decision making

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and then of course now there's one

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less woman in a leadership positions not

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just as a spokesman added and

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hi tech industry and i think

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that worrisome people who haven't

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seen enough progress or in leadership

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a company's products we use every single day

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and whether or not the people making decisions

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at that they are reflecting

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an equal gender breakdown

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dream thanks for joining us thank you so much

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today's episode was produced by taylor

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