1:59

make, why

2:03

wouldn't it? Well I mean your costs

2:05

are gonna go up right? The writers and I think correctly

2:07

are getting more money, hopefully the actors get

2:10

more money as well.

2:10

Yeah and first let me say I don't

2:13

want to get into the details of the deal because everybody

2:15

needs to ratify it and I don't want to get

2:17

into any of that but I will say

2:19

I'm happy that everybody

2:22

appears to be very happy with the deal

2:24

that they got and in terms

2:27

of working with everybody I want everybody

2:29

to feel that they've you know

2:31

gotten a good deal and are ready to get back

2:33

to work. So that's what I'm most concerned with. Is

2:36

it gonna be more expensive? Yeah but it again

2:38

not that I'm gonna say well I'm not gonna make this

2:40

show now you know a good show is a good show

2:42

is a good show so that's usually what

2:45

I'm concerned about we've been through strikes before

2:47

it doesn't affect the kinds of

2:49

shows we make. You weren't in the negotiating

2:51

room but you were talking to the folks who were your boss

2:53

there David Sazloff was it eventually Why

2:56

did this thing take five months to resolve? I

3:00

will not be the first to say it but I think some of the issues

3:03

were you know the word existential

3:05

is thrown around a lot we are in

3:07

a moment in the industry that

3:10

you know there's a lot changing there's a lot shifting it

3:12

has been upended we're kind

3:15

of coming out of a bubble I would say

3:17

or still dealing with the fallout from that. It's

3:20

an uncertain time it's a scary time there's

3:22

a lot changing so it is not business

3:25

as usual so I don't think any of the

3:27

any aspect of the business is business as usual

3:30

this include you know labor issues included.

3:33

Did you think it was gonna go five months it seemed like

3:35

a lot of folks thought it would get cleaned up sooner. It

3:37

was certainly within the I guess

3:40

I'll take the positive and say I'm

3:42

glad that it has not gone to jail you know because it's

3:44

talk started that like oh what if it goes until

3:46

January I'm happy

3:49

it's done I'm happy it's passed us but

3:52

it was certainly within the realm of possibility

3:54

that it would be in the fall. I've heard from people who do

3:56

what you do that social media was

3:59

an issue so if you're

3:59

on the studio said, oh, social media wasn't so

4:02

good. And if you were at the Guild, you'd say, social media

4:04

was super helpful. Did

4:06

Twitter basically, did that change the contours

4:09

of this? Well, I think social media

4:11

was definitely very, very positive for

4:13

the writers in terms of showing solidarity,

4:16

keeping solidarity, letting people,

4:18

I mean, just from an organizational standpoint,

4:20

where they're organizing, where they're picking.

4:23

So I think it was a very positive thing for them. I

4:25

don't think it's something that studios

4:27

could have used or should have used, but

4:30

definitely a very positive thing for writers

4:32

to use. You mentioned the word existential. I

4:34

got thrown around a lot. Often that was connected

4:36

to the idea of AI and

4:38

whether AI was gonna displace writers,

4:41

actors, whomever. You said a bunch

4:44

of times that you are not very interested in

4:46

AI. That seems like heresy, especially at

4:48

this conference. Why is AI not

4:50

relevant to what you do? So let me not

4:52

minimize the issue of AI because

4:55

I know that there are probably uses

4:57

of it that I am not imagining,

5:00

that we're all not imagining. And

5:02

I think it was right for everybody to talk about,

5:04

like, what is it gonna look like? How are we gonna

5:06

deal with it? So I get all that, I'm not minimizing

5:08

it. But from my point of view, in

5:10

terms of what we do, developing

5:14

and producing scripted

5:16

drama, comedy, docs, specials,

5:20

have you ever called an airline and gotten an

5:24

automated voice? It's not great. That's

5:26

AI at the moment. It's gonna get better.

5:28

I don't imagine developing

5:31

high-end or really

5:33

interesting shows

5:35

with the person at the other end of the line on

5:38

the airline. I mean, I'm a writer

5:40

sometimes, so I hope that's not true. I hope that my

5:42

podcasting and conferencing doesn't get replaced by

5:44

a robot anytime soon. But we had Robert

5:46

Kinsell on stage yesterday. He runs Warner Music Group.

5:49

He said, year and a half, you are gonna

5:51

type in make me a lizzo and do a leap of song

5:53

into some sort of engine, and

5:55

it's gonna spit out, not just a song, but a good song,

5:58

an acceptable song.

5:59

in this forum, I know this sounds old-fashioned,

6:02

but I am holding out hope for

6:04

the, especially in an artistic endeavor,

6:07

the need for

6:09

soul

6:10

and human stories. I

6:12

mean, the writers are using it, right? They're using it

6:14

to bounce ideas around. From

6:17

what I, I know that some people use it as a prompt,

6:19

and they give me some ideas. Again, if a writer wants

6:21

to do that, fine, but I

6:23

don't see a world where a writer

6:26

is out of that process,

6:29

and a bunch of executives are saying, okay,

6:31

chat GPT, give us a great true

6:34

detective season. Again, I

6:37

don't see it happening. It's not, that's not a world I'm

6:39

interested in working in, but, you

6:41

know, who knows where technology

6:44

goes. But for the foreseeable future, given

6:46

how we work at HBO

6:48

and Max and the kinds of shows we're doing, I

6:51

don't see it overtaking the necessary

6:55

artistic ability that's

6:58

needed. I hope you're right. I hope

7:00

so too. Let's zoom out a little bit. You

7:02

said this is a, you know, really important time

7:04

in the business. We went through this content

7:06

boom. I hate saying those words, content

7:09

boom. You know, Netflix kicked it off, and then everyone

7:11

decided they wanted to be Netflix. It was always kind of clear

7:13

there was going to be retraction. Now there's a retraction.

7:16

You hear people talking about,

7:18

well, we really made a mistake with the way

7:20

we were handling both movies and television. We ripped

7:23

up this old model. Can we go

7:25

back to the way things were? Can we go

7:27

back to the cable

7:28

bundle? I don't think so because

7:30

look, one of the, people say, oh, I wish, I wish, I

7:32

wish we could go back to, I paid one price and

7:35

I got all the stuff and that's much better. Well,

7:37

I do think that there were, I mean, in the, in the history

7:40

of television or video entertainment, whatever,

7:42

however you want to talk about it, the original

7:44

networks were a video bundle. You've got news,

7:47

sports, variety, comedy, drama,

7:50

then cable kind of supplanted that. And

7:52

again, it was always a combination

7:55

of different types of video

7:57

entertainment and that worked really

7:59

well. And the cable bundle is

8:02

coming apart for a number of reasons that you've gone

8:04

into and we don't have to get into

8:06

unless you want to. But I think what you're

8:08

going to see with streaming is again in any

8:11

offering of video entertainment it has

8:13

to be a mix of programming. Just

8:16

like again going back to network television, cable television,

8:18

streaming, I think is moving back

8:20

towards bundling

8:23

of some sort. But why does it have to be

8:25

that mix? For a long time HBO was a distinct

8:28

product. You had to have cable to get it

8:30

and you bought HBO on top of that then you could get HBO

8:32

by itself. That was great. Right.

8:35

But this is the thing that people I think sometimes misunderstand

8:39

about HBO. HBO

8:41

as a standalone product only

8:44

existed briefly as HBO

8:47

go and it was not a viable, that's not a viable

8:49

business. HBO prospered

8:51

for a decade and decades and

8:53

made a lot of money because it was an add-on to

8:56

a larger video bundle. So

8:59

you didn't get cable to get HBO.

9:02

People who were getting cable were getting it because they

9:04

wanted CNN and ESPN and E and

9:07

USA and oh great look at HBO

9:09

on top of that. That's

9:11

amazing.

9:13

That HBO as a supplement

9:15

to a package of entertainment,

9:18

that's what works. That's

9:20

what works. So sometimes people

9:22

I think. That's what works economically

9:25

for you the producer. That's what works for

9:27

consumers. That's what works

9:30

for as a business to

9:33

have HBO part of a larger offering.

9:35

So this idea that we were thinking

9:38

about not very long ago, three, four, five years

9:40

ago that you're just going to pick the channels

9:42

you want. You'll pay for them and everyone

9:44

will be happy and it's a much better

9:46

way of receiving entertainment than having to

9:49

get this bundle. What's

9:51

interesting is with streaming services

9:53

they are kind of

9:56

bundling lots of different types of entertainment

9:58

together. What you may end up

10:00

seeing with the cable

10:03

operators is skinnier bundles. You know,

10:05

what might have been a good idea

10:08

in the beginning, you know, slimming it down, only

10:10

choosing what you want. So in a way, both

10:12

things are kind of

10:14

resembling each other. And so today

10:16

when I open up the Max, not HBO

10:18

Max app, the Max app, there's

10:20

now live news from CNN coming. Next

10:23

month there's going to be live sports. Yep.

10:26

What is the benefit to me as a consumer of

10:28

getting a bunch of stuff all on

10:30

one app? If I don't watch sports, shouldn't I just go to

10:32

the sports thing? It really is convenient

10:35

because, again, the sports, the

10:37

sports offering on Max is

10:39

a simulcast from TBS, TNT. So

10:43

there is a convenience of getting it in

10:45

another place. If

10:47

you are, if you enjoy

10:50

Max and want to stay within that ecosystem,

10:52

great. If you're used to, you know, watching

10:55

it on TBS, TNT, great. It's

10:57

really just kind of consumer

10:59

choice. One of your Warner Brothers discovery colleagues

11:01

has floated the idea that one of the innovations

11:03

they're going to have with the new version of CNN is maybe

11:06

you're watching True Detective season four and

11:09

something really big happens, it's the White House that

11:11

you'll get an alert. This got a lot of pickup.

11:13

Yeah, what do you think about this idea? Especially from media reporters.

11:15

Sure. I think

11:18

it would have to be a very, very,

11:20

very big, you know,

11:23

newsworthy event. It's not going to

11:25

be every

11:27

single, you know, if the government

11:31

shuts down or something like that,

11:33

we're going to... Government still shut down. Yeah,

11:36

you know, it would have to be really big to

11:39

interrupt

11:40

programming. So speaking of me and my colleagues,

11:42

the media reporters, lots

11:44

of commotion this spring when you went

11:47

from HBO Max to Max.

11:50

And not just media reporters, lots of people said, this

11:52

is the HBO's the best brand, it's this pristine

11:55

brand. Why are you getting rid of it? So

11:57

here's what I've said before, I'm going to talk a little bit about

11:59

this.

11:59

When HBO

12:02

Max was named HBO Max,

12:04

I got a lot of people, some of the same

12:06

people, media reporters saying, oh my god,

12:08

are you okay? Like they're putting HBO

12:11

in the name of this service that has

12:13

things in addition to HBO. That's not what it should be.

12:16

And you know, we survived and you

12:18

know, what HBO was had to

12:20

stretch a bit because we had library which we didn't

12:22

really have and we had some reality shows.

12:25

But when this opportunity came to kind

12:27

of rebrand and basically

12:31

the discovery nets with what

12:33

was HBO Max,

12:36

given what we were just talking about, about HBO

12:38

being an add-on to a larger package,

12:42

there was an opportunity to go back and the reason

12:45

I wanted to do it was actually to protect

12:48

the HBO brand because if

12:50

HBO is in the title of

12:53

the platform, basically it

12:55

represents everything on the platform. And

12:58

it was about to get a lot bigger and a lot

13:01

more shows. So

13:03

how did state HBO Max, you

13:06

know, not to pick on this show, but everybody seems

13:08

to would be like, why is Dr. Pimple Popper

13:11

on HBO? Or

13:13

pick whatever show it is, why

13:16

is 90 Day Fiance? What's the naked one that

13:18

you guys just put on? Naked attraction? Exactly.

13:21

So I did not want- Do you all know what naked attraction is? It's actually

13:23

doing it. But

13:25

I did not want the HBO brand to take

13:27

on all that stuff because it wasn't designed to. So

13:30

now we get to go back to HBO being exactly

13:32

what HBO is. And then

13:34

you go search out. Yeah. And

13:37

HBO is at the top. If you go to HBO,

13:39

if you go to Max, HBO is right at the top. If

13:42

all you want to do is go to HBO,

13:44

you can do that. But the other thing I think people

13:46

sometimes misunderstand, people who get HBO,

13:48

like going back to the cable bundle example, if

13:51

you were getting cable, in

13:54

general you were most likely an entertainment

13:56

enthusiast, meaning you liked watching

13:59

things in addition.

16:00

Why is that happening? Well a couple

16:03

things. One, I think we want to become

16:05

HBO before they do. I think what they probably

16:08

realized to our earlier point

16:10

of our earlier conversation,

16:12

you can't just be that. You have to be a bunch

16:14

of themselves. And I think in retrospect they probably

16:16

knew they were going to get one letter, but they

16:18

wanted to tempt us media reporters

16:20

with an HBO like service. So

16:23

I think that's part of it. So

16:25

the question of putting HBO shows

16:28

on Netflix, I will

16:30

say I think we're in a phase now where

16:34

when I say we're all, I mean the industry trying things,

16:37

but when I think about the

16:39

history of HBO, the history of television,

16:41

this idea within the last 10 years that

16:45

basically windowing of shows goes away

16:47

and everything lives

16:49

on a platform. Because that's why you convinced me to sign

16:51

up for HBO or name your service. But

16:53

that was a conventional wisdom

16:55

for the last 10 years, that you keep everything in house.

16:58

But in the history of television and HBO,

17:01

syndication basically selling

17:03

a show somewhere else that

17:05

was like the brass ring. That meant that

17:07

your show was successful, that it had

17:09

hit a certain number of seasons, that

17:12

it would have a life

17:13

elsewhere,

17:14

that other people would, Sex

17:16

and the City has been in syndication for decades.

17:19

And so that was the

17:21

brass ring.

17:24

So I will say the last 10

17:27

years, I understood

17:29

like, well, it's a little bit more complicated

17:31

because the industries were trenching

17:34

and you want to sell to people who you're in competition

17:36

with. But they also had this phase, the networks had this phase

17:38

where they sold everything to Netflix. It just seemed like

17:40

free money. And then they said, oh no, we've trained everyone

17:43

to go watch our shows on Netflix. That was a

17:45

very bad idea. We're going to pull back

17:47

most of that stuff. Now it seems like you guys are doing

17:50

a 180 again. And we experimented. Remember,

17:52

we sold Amazon a bunch of our programming

17:55

in 2015. So

17:57

we had these discussions about like.

18:00

What if we sold Insecure,

18:02

Ballers? What's been interesting about that,

18:05

first of all Ballers, I think went off the air, I don't

18:07

know, 10 years ago or something like that, and it's number

18:09

seven on the Nielsen charts. What's

18:11

been nice about it is

18:14

without doing a thing on Max, the

18:19

viewership of or engagement

18:21

of Ballers, Insecure, really

18:23

saw a spike when it was on Netflix. How

18:25

does that help you though? How does

18:28

it help me for more people? But

18:30

presumably they've already subscribed to the service, so

18:32

they go to Netflix, they see that they can watch

18:34

Ballers. It's really more, I mean,

18:37

it's kind of a more, you're introducing it to more

18:39

people, it's marketing. That's

18:41

the thing about, remember

18:44

there used to be debates about like

18:46

at NBC, like well, if SineTale

18:48

is in syndication while it's, I

18:51

mean, somewhat different situation, but doesn't

18:53

that hurt?

18:55

And generally what everything came out

18:57

was the more,

18:58

the more places you're exposed to something.

19:01

Commiscuity is good. Yeah, to

19:03

an extent now, I think you have to be careful, and this is

19:05

again, what we're just experimenting with and

19:08

thinking about is like, okay, Ballers was off

19:10

the air a long time ago, obviously

19:13

Band of Others specific, they have been on History Channel,

19:16

we've syndicated those in

19:18

the past.

19:20

I doubt you're gonna

19:22

see us selling Succession or

19:26

white loaded or more current ones. How about True Detective seasons

19:28

one through three in the advance

19:30

of this debut? For marketing, I mean, we haven't done that yet,

19:32

but for marketing purposes, it's

19:34

something we've thought about. If you have a new

19:37

season of something, does that make sense? And the

19:39

other thing is, I don't know, maybe,

19:41

but I think what you have to balance

19:43

is not putting too much out

19:45

there, so people think, oh, I'll just wait till it comes here

19:47

or here or here. So I don't really know the

19:49

right answer, I don't think anybody does, but

19:52

this is something we used to do all the time, and

19:54

the initial experiment with a couple of titles

19:57

we've seen

19:58

have an immediate positive. impact

20:00

to Max. Remember everything we sell is co-exclusive so

20:03

it's not like they come off Max and

20:05

are only available elsewhere. You've been in charge

20:07

of programming at HBO under three

20:09

different ownerships.

20:11

Time Warner, AT&T,

20:13

now Discovery, Warner Brothers, a lot of speculation

20:16

that next year there might be another change. How

20:19

do you work with both talent that's

20:21

saying, hey, what's going on? Who's running the show?

20:23

Who wants to do what? And then how do you work, how

20:26

do you talk to your employees and co-workers

20:28

who are understandably freaked out

20:30

about who the next owner is going to be and when that's

20:32

going to show up? Well, two things I would say. One,

20:35

the programming team that I work

20:37

with at HBO, we've all been together, we've

20:40

all been there at least 20 years.

20:41

Some, 25,

20:42

30, my colleague Glenn Whitehead,

20:45

who's the head of business affairs and production has been at HBO

20:47

for 40 years. So we've been around a

20:49

long time and I think as long as

20:52

we're keeping shows, interesting

20:54

shows coming out, we're good. You

20:57

don't have creative partners saying, well, who

20:59

is running this thing? Here's what I

21:01

would say about that is it's

21:04

not like we

21:07

are unique having

21:10

multiple owners. And I will say, I think David

21:13

has done a very good job kind of right

21:15

sizing. The change

21:19

that happened

21:20

partly in the industry, partly right when

21:23

David took over, was it was subs at

21:25

all costs to,

21:26

we got to make money. And ultimately, in

21:29

any business, you have to figure out,

21:31

this is great, but how are we going to make money? So I think it

21:33

was kind of the right tone for trying

21:36

to figure out how do we do

21:38

this and streaming and how it makes

21:40

sense. But if we were the only company

21:43

going through this, trying to figure

21:45

things out, trying to figure out how do

21:47

you make money in streaming? How do you maintain

21:50

linear but also offer streaming?

21:52

It would be harder to talk

21:55

to employees, creative partners and say, yeah, we're

21:58

going through a rough patch. The entire

21:59

industry is trying to... The answer is we're all...

22:02

We're all in this... As an industry,

22:04

we're all trying to figure this out. Have

22:07

we figured it out? Have we figured it out? I think we're...

22:10

The conversation

22:12

about licensing shows

22:14

elsewhere, that's an example of, I don't

22:17

know, it seems

22:19

interesting, it's kind of what we used to

22:22

do, does it make sense? Is it hurting us?

22:24

I don't know, but we're trying and we'll see. Let's

22:27

segue to the audience, tell us who you are,

22:30

lay

22:30

a question out for Casey. Hi, Don. Hey, Peter.

22:32

Don Chimaleski with Reuters. Hi, Casey. Hi, there.

22:35

So I wanted to come back to naked

22:37

attraction just because why not? So

22:40

I'd like you to explain how

22:42

you came to make the decision

22:44

to add... Don, will you explain

22:47

what naked attraction is in case you don't want to? I would be trying to explain.

22:49

Yeah, it's a show, it's a dating show that

22:51

sort of strips away all the other artifice

22:54

and by that I mean takes away all the clothes. Full

22:56

frontal nudity. Full frontal nudity in which

22:59

six naked contestants

23:01

are all contained in gloss

23:03

booths and they're gradually

23:05

revealed to the audience sort of bit

23:07

by juicy bit. Did

23:10

you pick that up or is that our tagline? That is actually,

23:12

that is actual dialogue. It's

23:16

British, you know. I know, I know. It's classy.

23:20

Bit by juicy bit. So

23:22

I

23:23

wanted to talk with you, Casey, about the decision

23:25

to add that to the programming lineup. Was it born

23:28

out of a dearth of content because of this protracted

23:30

strike? Take me through the thinking and the

23:32

reaction. That show has been on

23:34

in the UK for, I want to say, six seasons. Yeah, twenty-six.

23:37

And it was part of

23:39

a library, you know, a whole

23:41

library deal. So I know,

23:44

but I just want to make one point because I know, I think,

23:48

you know, the point that you're probably trying

23:51

to make is, oh my gosh, can you imagine that

23:53

show next to whatever, Pick

23:55

Your Prestige Show. I will remind you. It's

23:57

animation. I will remind you that. That's a good point.

24:00

that HBO is the home of Real Sex

24:02

and Cat House. So

24:05

this type of programming, going back to

24:07

the, you need an entire, a mix

24:12

of programming, you

24:14

know, this programming serves its purpose. So

24:17

you're bringing back Skinemax? No,

24:19

no, no, reminding everybody of the history

24:22

of the types of programming we have had in the past. I

24:25

think the other thing Dawn's kind of poking at

24:27

too, and I didn't get to in our conversation, what's

24:30

the difference between an HBO show and a Max show?

24:32

The Sex and the City was an HBO show, the

24:34

sequel is a Max show, I only know that because I looked

24:36

it up. So generally, I

24:38

think it is fair to say in the beginning before

24:42

anybody from HBO was involved

24:44

in programming HBO Max, there

24:46

was some confusion

24:49

there. What we're trying to do going forward is on HBO,

24:52

nothing at HBO, the

24:55

mission hasn't changed, the kinds of shows that we're doing,

24:57

it's all the, as I said, the same executives

24:59

who've worked there for a long time and want to understand the brand. That

25:02

hasn't changed and is not changing, there's no change

25:04

in mandate or anything like that. For the Max originals,

25:07

we're trying to focus on

25:10

Warner Brothers IP, things like Peacemaker, we've

25:12

got

25:13

Colin Farrell in the Penguin,

25:16

which is great. I've seen four

25:18

of the eight episodes, that'll be later in 24. Will

25:21

the Dune show be a Max show? Is it Dune? I'm sorry?

25:23

That's the Max original, yeah. Any

25:26

kind of like Warner Brothers, we're trying to make it like any kind

25:28

of tentpole, Warner Brothers IP

25:30

would be Max originals, like we did with Peacemaker. And do you

25:32

think a consumer will understand that difference? Does

25:35

it matter? I think ultimately it'll

25:37

be a DC show that's on Max. So, I

25:40

don't,

25:42

I'm not that worried about it because as I

25:44

like to say, a good show is a good show, is a good show, but

25:47

the larger point is HBO and

25:50

its mission has not changed and isn't

25:52

changing. So I'm getting one message that says wrap up, another

25:54

one that says we have a minute 35. I'm taking a minute 35. One

25:57

last question. Hi, is this Jay Peters with the...

25:59

So speaking of Max originals,

26:02

you guys just greenlit a huge

26:04

Harry Potter series But

26:06

why did you do that in light of the

26:08

controversies around JK Rowling's comments towards

26:10

the transgender community with one

26:12

minute? Left in our conversation

26:15

and not even going to get into that because that is a much longer

26:17

longer conversation When will you guys talk

26:19

about though? You declined to comment on April

26:22

and this is announced like it's gonna be a huge

26:24

show like you have to address this in some

26:26

way At some point we will but not with

26:28

a minute for a for a very complicated

26:31

nuanced topic I'm not gonna do it in a minute get you

26:33

into politics want to squeeze in one more question here

26:37

Caroline from Warner music former

26:39

HBO employee. I can

26:42

welcome.

26:42

I want to ask you a question It's

26:45

more about branding. I completely

26:48

get what you were saying about max

26:51

and HBO and pimple popper

26:53

I Walked through Times Square and

26:55

I saw a huge succession billboard

26:57

and it had max branding on it up

27:00

in top left It said HBO original

27:02

series So my question to you is are

27:04

there any circumstances in which you feel like the

27:06

max branding is superseding? HBO

27:09

or how do you think about that?

27:11

Remember? It's gonna say I understand it's

27:13

also, you know how we're watching TV

27:15

and how it's organized. We're in the middle

27:17

of You

27:18

know changing going from a cable bundle

27:21

to streaming It

27:24

that's that is why actually I thought the

27:27

HBO max was the wrong name for the

27:29

platform I think you have to be

27:31

more clear about max is a platform that includes

27:33

CNN max HBO Hetv

27:36

a little bit like the cable bundle So

27:39

it's an HBO show on the max platform

27:41

in kind of the way an HBO show

27:43

used if you were in New York was available On spectrum

27:46

is still available on spectrum. That's where it

27:48

I understand that it's

27:50

Different and it's going to take time for people

27:53

to kind of get that especially

27:55

if you used to watch on cable

27:57

and are now streaming but

28:00

But that's the idea of separating

28:03

the programming service from the overall

28:05

platform.

28:06

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28:09

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