Things kick off with a check-in on _Watchmen_. Is John feeling more confident about it? There are MacGuffins inside of MacGuffins. John is still enjoying the Apple TV+ shows, and Merlin thinks expectation deflation can really work in your favor. John didn't remember that Jennifer Aniston was in _Office Space_.

In a related mini-topic, Merlin wants to talk about _The Mandalorian_ as a way to explore what we like about _Star Wars_. Unsurprisingly, John is avoiding a poster, and Merlin gets schooled on the importance and greatness of _Return of the Jedi_. Thank goodness for our fellow fans who grew up to make new _Star Wars_ for us.

John has qualms with Merlin's neologism and doesn't even like when people do that anyway. The summer of 1982 was *wild*.

Your hosts try to explain live TV to their children. Also: telephones.

Finally, it's time to clear out some more Secret Weird Things People Do. No spoilers. Just…listen.

(_Recorded on Tuesday, November 19, 2019._)