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Ew, gotta get rid of this

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old Backstreet Boys t-shirt. Tell me why!

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Because it stinks, boys. Tell

0:07

me why! I've washed it so many times

0:09

but the odor won't come out. Tell me why.

0:11

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and then they go lay on the cracked ice and look at constellations.

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Uh... Why

0:38

is that so funny to me? Welcome

0:40

to Recatopia, a happy

0:43

home for recommended movies, shows,

0:45

and music from two people you can

0:47

definitely trust. Trustability

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varies by region, no guarantee is implied. And

0:58

now, here are your hosts, Aaron

1:01

Dicer and Jeremy Scott.

1:05

Anyway,

1:09

this company makes a whole line of colors with equally

1:11

snappy names. Red Menace,

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Yellow Fever, Green Revolution. Got

1:17

to be a job coming up with those names.

1:19

You think there could possibly be a job like that?

1:22

I mean, how many hair colors could there be? Fifty,

1:25

maybe. Hello, everybody, and welcome

1:28

to episode 92 of Recatopia. I

1:31

am Jeremy Scott. And I'm Dicer.

1:33

And today's big recommend is Eternal Sunshine

1:36

of the Spotless Mind. Like to give a shout-out

1:38

welcome to those of you watching us record

1:40

this or listening to us record this live

1:43

in the chat. Thank you for your participation

1:46

and your attendance. We

1:49

take attendance every week.

1:50

Just now telling you that, but we know who has

1:52

been here the most. No, we don't.

1:54

Here, present. The person who's been here

1:57

the most is me, Aaron.

2:00

Before we jump into the big recommend, did

2:02

you bring any small and recommend on the last week's show?

2:04

It's no big deal.

2:06

It's so small and light. It's small, it's

2:09

tiny, it's petite, it's wheat. Oh

2:11

yeah, that's something we do here. Yes,

2:14

I did in fact. I'm going

2:16

to start with one

2:18

that I have watched in my catch-up for the end of the

2:20

year. Oftentimes this

2:22

time of year those are awards-based films.

2:25

This is not one of those. I don't think this is necessarily

2:27

going for any awards, but

2:30

it was worth a special mention because I had a really

2:32

good time with it. It's one you might not

2:34

click on initially without

2:37

some encouragement. I wanted to talk about,

2:39

you are so not invited to my Bat Mitzvah.

2:43

This is on Netflix and as

2:45

you may or may not know, to the

2:47

your own detriment or benefit,

2:50

who knows? Adam

2:54

Sandler has a deal with Netflix and makes a lot of movies on

2:56

Netflix. This is a Sandler film. Now when

2:58

I say a Sandler film, you may immediately

3:00

think Adam Sandler and that's fine. He's in

3:02

the movie, but barely. But

3:05

it's actually his daughters who are mostly

3:07

in this movie. They have

3:11

some of the primary roles here. His wife is also in

3:13

the movie. So it's kind of a family

3:15

affair for them, but this is, it

3:18

feels like a typical coming of age

3:20

female story, but it's from

3:22

such a specific Jewish perspective

3:25

with the Bat Mitzvah stuff. And

3:27

it also feels so genuine

3:30

and genuinely funny and also genuinely

3:32

traumatic with some of the stuff that happens that

3:35

I couldn't help you swept away in this. I cried

3:38

at this movie. I cried at the end of this movie. I thought it

3:40

was really beautiful, really meaningful. And

3:42

there's something about this young female relationship,

3:46

friendship that is, I think,

3:48

really valuable to experience and to have empathy

3:51

for. And to kind of step into what it must be like

3:53

to be a young female in today's culture

3:56

and to have friends and

3:59

with everything that goes on. So yeah, this

4:01

is this small recommend for me and I think

4:03

you might enjoy it You'll laugh a lot and if

4:05

you're like me, you'll be moved a little bit as well. Wow.

4:07

I'm I'm shocked

4:10

and that's okay Sometimes

4:15

Well, this went from nowhere near

4:17

my radar to kind of on it now,

4:19

that's how you sell a movie Aaron Yeah,

4:23

I knew the basic idea that it

4:25

was his daughter and he was in the film but that

4:27

was she was kind of the star Mm-hmm.

4:30

I I just presumed which

4:32

I I do a lot That

4:34

it was going to be the Sandler style signature

4:38

humor And I'm so glad to

4:40

learn that it's not because I the last okay,

4:43

the only other recent Sandler movie I've seen

4:45

was the sequel to the kind

4:48

of a Ranniston Spy or

4:50

mystery or mystery to yeah

4:53

zero heart in that movie Nobody's

4:55

even interested in heart in that movie. Right?

4:58

Right just sleepwalking. So I'm glad to

5:00

hear that. This is good My

5:02

first small recommend is a movie from 2012

5:05

called mud with Matthew

5:07

McConaughey That I have long

5:10

confused as one of two

5:13

other movies with Matthew McConaughey

5:15

And so therefore I had never watched

5:17

it. Let me see if I can pull up his

5:20

which which movies I Confused

5:23

for this. It's the one where Juno

5:25

Temple is in it and if there's

5:27

a bunch of like trailer

5:30

murder mystery Thing

5:32

and then there's another one where he's like Look

5:40

him up. Okay. Anyway

5:43

mud stars basically

5:45

Thai Sheridan

5:46

It's It's

5:48

Thai Sheridan, right? Yes, Thai Sheridan

5:50

who I have only seen as an older,

5:52

you know, like young adult actor

5:55

I've never seen as a teenager

5:57

and he is incredible in this movie

6:00

And this movie is about two

6:02

young 14-year-old kids

6:05

who live in rural Arkansas, one of them lives on

6:07

a riverboat, houseboat, and

6:09

they find a vagrant,

6:11

Matthew McConaughey's, mud, living on this

6:14

small island on the Mississippi River. And

6:16

he asks them to bring him some food, and they do,

6:19

and he tells them he's there because he's got to meet up in

6:21

town with his girlfriend. And

6:24

then they find out when they go into town that

6:26

he's a wanted man. And

6:29

I don't really wanna say too much

6:31

beyond that. It is a basic

6:34

coming of age story about

6:36

Ty Sharon's Ellis character. McConaughey

6:39

is outstanding as usual, but

6:42

I was riveted. Everyone's great in

6:44

this. Jacob Laughlin plays the other

6:46

young person. Sam Shepard is in

6:48

this, Reese Witherspoon is in this, Sarah Paulson,

6:51

Michael Shannon, Jodon Baker, just a great

6:53

cast. And I, again, had

6:56

confused it for, I'm gonna find

6:58

it right now. I'm on his IMDB, white

7:00

boy Rick. And

7:03

the Beach Bum was the one I thought maybe he confused

7:05

it with, but no, it's

7:09

further back here than I thought, Killer Joe.

7:11

And so my brain would hear mud and see Matthew

7:14

McConaughey's face, and I thought it was one of those two movies,

7:16

and I'd already seen it. And I stumbled

7:18

across it the other day, and I hadn't actually

7:21

already seen it. It's on max right

7:23

now if I somehow sold that movie,

7:25

stumbling through that recommend. It's

7:29

Jeff Nichols' film, and he has his first

7:31

movie since. Mud comes out this

7:33

year called The Bike Riders, although I think it just got

7:35

pushed to 2024. I could be wrong about that.

7:38

It may still try to do awards this year. It may do like

7:40

a limited release or something, but yeah, he hasn't done

7:42

a movie since 2012. That's wild.

7:45

Have you seen Mud? Do you remember? Yes, I

7:48

actually would probably need to

7:50

rewatch it to give it a better rating.

7:52

I don't remember being blown away by it,

7:54

but I also don't remember being annoyed by

7:56

it or hating it. I think there's

7:58

probably something. subconscious at

8:01

work when I realized,

8:04

oh, I actually have never seen this. I

8:06

think that maybe slightly invests me

8:08

more than somebody who sits down

8:10

to watch MUD. But anyway,

8:15

hit me with another small recommend. My second

8:17

small recommend is from the

8:19

awards side of things, although I don't think you'll hear

8:21

about this much in the awards

8:24

conversation. I saw Biosphere,

8:26

which is a Duplass film, Mark Duplass

8:29

starring in it as well with Sterling K.

8:32

Brown. Not to be confused with Biodome.

8:34

Biosphere is in no

8:36

way related to Biodome. It

8:38

is instead Sterling K.

8:41

Brown and Mark Duplass,

8:43

and they are the only two people in this movie.

8:45

The entirety of this movie is a two-hander. It

8:48

is just them. One thing I've

8:50

liked about these recent Duplass movies, I think

8:52

of the one I love that came out a few

8:54

years ago as well, is it's clear

8:57

that when Duplass sits down to do a project,

8:59

he's very much concerned about doing something

9:02

interesting or unique or

9:04

telling a story that you just can't

9:06

see anywhere else. This

9:08

is definitely all those things, and

9:11

I really, really liked it overall.

9:15

Basically what you're dealing here with plot-wise,

9:17

and I don't want to give away hardly anything because

9:20

the movie reveals itself very, very

9:22

well throughout. But

9:24

you're dealing with two guys who

9:27

are in a biosphere at,

9:29

let's just say, the end of the world, and

9:32

they are surviving here for

9:35

particular reasons that you will find out some weird

9:37

things start happening that they have to deal

9:39

with, have to process. I will mention

9:41

that those weird things that start happening allow

9:43

them to have very

9:46

interesting conversations and

9:50

situations that will

9:53

allow the audience and them to

9:55

think deeply about many issues.

9:59

That's about all. I want to say but you

10:01

know, you know me I love a movie that makes you think

10:04

I love a movie that makes you come out Asking questions

10:06

like what would I do? You know,

10:08

how would that happen? So there's a little bit of sci-fi

10:11

here a little bit of There

10:14

are a lot a bit of Moral

10:17

quandary stuff. So so

10:19

yeah biosphere. I I really really

10:21

enjoyed interesting It's that stuff picture

10:24

that you've got up on screen for those who are watching does

10:26

not Exactly suggest

10:29

a think piece No,

10:32

it looks more like biodome, but

10:34

anyway, I'm excited to hear this

10:37

is good. Where is it again? I'm

10:40

not sure where it's streaming again this time

10:42

of year I know I get better sent to

10:44

me so like I'm not necessarily

10:46

sure this one has been out for a while So

10:49

if nothing else, I think you should be able to buy

10:51

it on demand If it's

10:53

not streaming somewhere, okay Cool.

10:56

Well, my second small recommend is

10:59

a brand new film on max came out

11:02

Saturday called Albert Brooks defending

11:04

my life Defending my life

11:07

is a riff on one of his films which

11:09

they talk about called defending your life. I

11:12

love Albert Brooks Broadcast

11:14

news is in my top 10 all-time films,

11:17

but I have seen almost all of his movies

11:19

his sense of humor is very unique And

11:22

it always gets me he's great

11:25

in dramatic roles like Drive And

11:28

this is a documentary where Rob Reiner

11:30

sits down And has a long

11:33

conversation with Albert Brooks about

11:36

his career

11:38

And it's interspersed with so

11:40

much footage from stuff I never

11:43

knew about early in his career, but then they go through

11:45

all the movies he directed and his prominent acting

11:47

roles This

11:49

is a great pairing because they went to high school

11:51

together and they were in drama productions together

11:54

in high school Imagine two of our greatest

11:57

comedic filmmakers high

11:59

school wild to me. So

12:01

they have a really good relationship. They have,

12:04

and Rob Reiner is an incredibly talented

12:07

actor and filmmaker in his own right. So he's

12:09

a great person to guide through

12:12

this life. Early Albert Brooks on

12:14

the Tonight Show and other talk shows I had

12:16

never seen and he was wild.

12:19

He did a routine where he's an elephant trainer,

12:22

but he couldn't bring the elephant today. So he brought

12:24

a frog. So you just had to imagine the

12:26

frog was an elephant. And he's like, now

12:28

we're going to do the trick where the elephant puts his foot

12:30

on my head, but doesn't crush me. And he lays

12:32

down on the ground and he puts the frog on the

12:35

side of his head. And it's the whole thing is this conceptual

12:37

bit. He does some hysterical

12:40

riffs on ventriloquism where his

12:42

lips just move freely, not even trying

12:44

to hide that he's doing the voice. He's

12:47

just a really funny, witty, unique

12:50

voice early on in

12:52

his career. And then this thing gets

12:55

every famous living funny

12:57

person you can think of on the record about

13:00

what they think about Albert Brooks. And they all think he's

13:02

a genius. This movie was practically made

13:04

for me, but I think

13:07

it's great, even if you're not a huge Albert

13:09

Brooks fan and it will definitely expose

13:11

you to some movies you could watch that

13:13

he made that you may not have been aware of. This

13:15

sounds amazing. Definitely immediately

13:18

goes on on my list. When

13:20

was this made? When was this

13:23

documentary made? This year, I believe. So

13:25

it was this year. Yeah, that's my, I

13:27

mean, I just closed that tab out, but yeah, that was my understanding.

13:30

I mean, it just came out Saturday. Yeah. 2023.

13:33

Nice. Excited to check that one out. For

13:36

sure. All right. It's time for our

13:38

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show. I'm fine I'm fine it's just that

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you're so big. It's so

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huge. It's a good rule but this is

15:44

bigger than Ross. It's bigger on the

15:47

inside. Is it? I didn't notice

15:48

it. We're going to talk about Eternal

15:50

Sunshine, a movie I will say right

15:53

off the top we debated at the end of last

15:55

episode whether it was sad or happy. I am

15:58

I am happy to stand here and say I will be fighting

16:00

for the fact that this movie is very hopeful and

16:03

has a lot of sunshine in

16:05

it. I'm

16:07

very excited to have that conversation with you.

16:12

I will go through this plot the

16:15

best I can. It is

16:17

Charlie Kaufman. So just

16:20

know that things get weird in

16:22

this movie. We start with Joel

16:25

who is played by Jim Carrey having an off day. So

16:27

impulsively hops a train to Montauk

16:30

and explores a freezing beach. He

16:32

says at one point after noticing a woman,

16:34

why do I fall in love with every woman I see

16:36

who shows me the least bit of attention?

16:39

Me from college, baby. Also

16:42

foreshadowing some things there.

16:45

Clementine is Kate Winslet

16:48

and she appears and they

16:50

chat on the train. They

16:53

kind of have this moment in a diner

16:55

and then on the train. It doesn't really

16:58

go great, but he gives her a ride home

17:00

and there's a little bit of tension. Something's

17:03

off. Something's weird. Eventually

17:05

they get a drink and she

17:07

says to give her a call. He

17:09

does and then they go lay on the cracked ice

17:12

and look at constellations. Why

17:17

is that so funny to me? That's

17:20

literally what happens. But the crazy is hysterical. And

17:25

then Frodo shows up and

17:27

at the window, Elijah

17:30

Wood shows up and knocks on the

17:33

van window and asks what

17:35

he is doing in a very strange way. We of course

17:37

will come to find out why he is

17:40

asking that in such a strange way, but we don't know now

17:42

if this is our first time watching the movie. Cue

17:44

the titles in a weeping Jim Carrey

17:47

through the titles. Things

17:50

are now getting weird as we continue into

17:52

the movie. Van is tailing

17:54

him and someone is asking him questions.

17:57

Frodo and the Hulk come in and all the

17:59

stuff. sudden we are into some very

18:02

weird backstory where

18:04

things are disappearing from

18:06

his life. Now the movie does, makes

18:09

the choice not to make some

18:11

things obvious. So at first

18:13

you're kind of getting your feet underneath

18:16

you as to what is in the real

18:18

world, what is happening in this mind

18:21

world where things are getting erased and you

18:23

kind of transition in a very

18:25

normal movie way to the bookstore

18:28

and what's going on there. He's trying to give a gift to somebody

18:30

at the bookstore. Well

18:33

he finds out in that moment that Clementine has

18:35

erased him from her life

18:37

through this new technology that

18:40

a company called Lacuna does.

18:43

So he goes into Lacuna so

18:45

that he can meet Kirsten Dunst and Tom Wilkinson

18:47

who apparently worked there.

18:51

He then decides he must also erase

18:53

her from his memory now

18:56

that she has erased him from hers so

18:59

he collects all his Clementine memory

19:01

stuff and goes through that

19:03

process. We as an audience are becoming

19:05

increasingly aware that he is in the process

19:08

of doing that right now, that the stuff

19:10

we are seeing are memories that

19:13

are getting erased from his memory right

19:15

now. And as we

19:17

go through memory after memory, including

19:20

the last time he saw her after

19:23

she wrecked his car and he

19:26

assumes that she slept with someone and that

19:29

that's what she does to get attention and this

19:31

is the end of this relationship that we

19:33

are seeing. It is also memory that is being erased.

19:36

We then find out as we kind of cut back

19:38

to the real world and back to the

19:41

memory erasing stuff and we're getting a better idea

19:43

of which is which now. We're getting a better idea

19:45

of what's real and what's in the memory palace.

19:48

We find out that Frodo is actually

19:50

a creeper. He's a panty sniffer but

19:53

he is also... How?

19:55

What's he got into you? I don't

19:57

know. I don't know. I don't know.

20:00

And he's

20:02

now dating Clementine.

20:04

And this is creepy stuff, Jeremy. This is really

20:06

creepy stuff. He's

20:09

now dating Clementine.

20:12

And Joel seems like he can hear

20:14

this. This is a big point in the plot

20:17

where Joel is now realizing

20:19

he is... What's

20:22

the word for when you can active dream?

20:24

Like you can control your dreams. There's a technical term

20:26

for it. He's lucid. Yeah, lucid dream. He's

20:29

lucid memory wiping right now. He

20:31

is somehow both controlling what

20:33

he can hear. He also finds he can open his eyes

20:36

and actually see the room that

20:38

he's in while this

20:40

is happening. He

20:42

wonders as he hears these voices how

20:44

this Elijah Wood character knows

20:47

that she's called tangerine. This,

20:49

of course, is because when she had her

20:51

memory wiped, the Elijah Wood

20:54

character has creeped on

20:56

her and knows all that stuff. And is actually using

20:58

his... The

21:01

way that he fell in love with her to try

21:04

and have her fall in love with him.

21:06

He's a super villain, man. Yeah,

21:08

he really is. He really is. So

21:12

the absolute disrespect

21:14

they show this man as he is having his memory

21:16

wiped happens during this time. They

21:19

dance on his bed. They have sex

21:21

in the room. They use him as

21:23

a tabletop to put their food on.

21:27

They are just completely disrespecting him.

21:30

He is continuing to work his

21:32

way through the memories. It becomes clear now

21:35

that he wishes he hadn't erased specifically

21:38

the good memories. He's now experiencing

21:40

the good memories being erased and

21:42

really wanting those to be

21:44

cat. But those are going to.

21:48

He tries to scream out, can you hear?

22:00

The way

22:03

that he fell in love with her to try

22:05

and have her fall in love with him.

22:07

He's a super villain, man. Yeah,

22:09

he really is. He really is. So

22:13

the absolute disrespect

22:15

they show this man as he is having his memory

22:17

wiped happens during this time. They

22:20

dance on his bed. They have sex

22:22

in the room. They use him as

22:25

a tabletop to put their food on.

22:28

They are just completely disrespecting him.

22:31

He is continuing to work his

22:33

way through the memories. It becomes clear now

22:36

that he wishes he hadn't erased specifically

22:39

the good memories. He's now experiencing

22:41

the good memories being erased and

22:43

really wanting those to be

22:45

cat. But those are going to.

22:49

He tries to scream out, can you hear

22:51

me? I want to call it off. I want this over

22:54

with, but nobody can hear his

22:56

cries. At

22:59

one point he's in the woods with

23:01

a conversation with Clementine. She says, oh,

23:03

just wake yourself up. And he starts to be sarcastic.

23:05

Oh, okay. That's going to work like gangbusters.

23:08

And then it actually does for a second. As like we said,

23:10

he continues to learn that he can kind of do stuff. So

23:13

they get another idea. The next idea is to

23:16

hide her in a memory

23:18

that won't get erased. This

23:21

is brilliant. This

23:23

is such a cool idea. So

23:26

then we get some other

23:28

ennui through the trauma

23:31

of his childhood as he is

23:33

tiny Jim Carey under a table, looking

23:35

up to his mom. He tries to replace

23:39

the person that was going to watch him with

23:42

her, with Clementine.

23:45

So yeah, he remembers a childhood

23:48

rainstorm. Mrs.

23:50

Hamlin is thinking to the woman's name. So he's

23:53

trying to put her in these places.

23:56

In the real world, Bare-Butt Hulk

23:58

wakes up and realizes that something

24:00

has gone wrong. So

24:02

he calls his boss, which

24:05

is Tom Wilkinson. Meanwhile,

24:07

Clementine might be having issues

24:10

with Frodo as well. So we

24:12

kind of cut to them and she's like, this

24:14

isn't quite working for me. Remind me a little bit

24:16

of like Groundhog Day when he's

24:18

trying to make it, like force it to

24:21

work in some of the later days with

24:23

Andy McDowell, that kind of feeling of like,

24:25

this just isn't right. This is not

24:27

working. And she's picking up on all

24:29

of that. Tom Wilkinson

24:32

arrives to save the day, drugs him a little bit

24:34

more. Howard, by the way, Dr. Howard, I think is

24:36

the character's name, seems to get

24:38

things back on track, but Joel is

24:40

still trying to outrun the erasing

24:43

and hide her again and other stuff. So

24:45

we get more of his life's trauma, the

24:48

shame of masturbation, the shame of killing

24:50

a bird. But Howard continues

24:52

to find him. We then

24:55

have a section of the movie where we deal

24:57

with the Howard and Mary situation that

24:59

kind of comes out of nowhere. Honestly,

25:02

she just starts hard flirting with him. We find

25:05

out that she

25:07

wants to have an affair with him. We find out later

25:09

from his wife that she's already had

25:11

an affair with him and they erased her memory

25:13

or she wanted her memory

25:16

erased. I shouldn't make it sound like they forced that

25:18

honor. She apparently wanted her memory erased

25:20

of that moment. So that this

25:22

is happening again. So this is repeating.

25:25

Other things are repeating. There's a real theme

25:28

of repeating in this movie.

25:30

The final house falls in. We

25:33

have confirmed what we knew that

25:35

they are meeting, what we knew from

25:37

the beginning. Now we know for sure

25:39

that they are actually meeting again for the first

25:42

time. All the stuff we saw at the beginning is

25:44

post memory wipe and it is them somehow

25:47

finding each other again after

25:49

all this time. Meanwhile, Mary

25:52

has decided to mail everybody

25:54

who had their memories erased a recording

25:57

of the memories they want erased.

26:00

You talk about a super villain. Oh

26:04

my gosh. I want to have that conversation

26:06

at some point. We will.

26:08

But she at least I believe has good intentions

26:11

in the moment. Yes. But it is a terrible

26:14

action. That is a terrible

26:16

thing to do. Absolutely. So

26:19

yes, I think she thinks she's doing the right

26:21

thing. I just as strongly think

26:23

that she is doing the wrong thing. Anyhow, those

26:26

tapes find their way to Clementine,

26:29

who plays her

26:32

tape in front of Joel

26:34

about her saying these terrible things about

26:36

him. He starts freaking out. He doesn't know what's

26:39

going on. Why is she even talking about them? They just

26:41

met today. Then he gets

26:43

home, finds his tape, and

26:45

she says it's only fair that, you

26:48

know, that she listens to his tapes

26:50

and he listened to hers. And so they

26:52

let it play as they realize

26:55

that they had this relationship

26:58

and it came to a bad end and

27:01

they can just hear in their voices where

27:04

they landed in that relationship.

27:06

Then it comes to a hallway scene. He chases

27:09

her out to the hallway after she's left. They

27:11

argue a little bit and he says, I

27:13

can't think of any reason why

27:16

I wouldn't like you. And she says, you will

27:18

think of things you don't like. We have the proof,

27:20

right? She has the proof. You will think

27:23

of things you don't like. And I will

27:25

get bored with you because that's what happens

27:27

with me. And the Jim Carrey

27:30

character just says, okay. And

27:33

she says, okay. And they

27:36

laugh. And then as they run

27:38

off into the snow at the end of the movie,

27:40

the video jumps back a couple of

27:42

times and repeats itself a couple of

27:44

times as them playing in the show

27:47

and leaves the audience wondering, are they

27:49

in a repeating cycle or

27:52

are they now choosing to hold on to the

27:54

good memories? What did you think, Jeremy,

27:56

as you watched this positive,

27:59

hopeful, movie again. I think

28:04

it's a masterpiece. I think it's beautiful

28:08

and complex and

28:10

I think only the unique

28:12

minds that made this movie could have made

28:14

this movie. I'm fascinated having

28:18

done some background research at how much of

28:20

what we see was done practically in camera.

28:23

It's wild, isn't it? The scene

28:26

where he's in the brain scan

28:28

chair and Howard and Hulk are

28:30

there. I'm just going to keep going with your thing. And

28:33

then Jim Carrey walks in wearing

28:36

his outfit from when he's on his bed

28:39

later that night. He that's

28:42

all practical in camera. Jim Carrey

28:44

kept taking off his hat and moving

28:46

positions really quick when the camera would turn.

28:49

And that's fascinating

28:51

to me

28:52

that

28:53

they would make that choice. There was very

28:55

little CG used in the entire film,

28:57

which again, only makes it more impressive.

29:00

But you could have used CG for all that stuff and

29:02

the movie would still sing. I got all kinds

29:04

of thoughts. I love in the beginning, the

29:08

scene that you said they lay on the cracked ice

29:10

and look at conversations.

29:12

She goes out there further and he's

29:15

concerned. She's even fallen down and

29:17

she said, come out here. And he says, what

29:19

if it breaks? And that is the

29:21

fucking thing right there.

29:24

There it is. The whole thing. I love

29:27

David Cross and the other gal

29:30

who play the couple that

29:32

are friends with

29:35

what is his name? Bearish? What's his first

29:37

name? Especially

29:40

David Cross's line reading. He's

29:44

over in the corner doing something bang and nailing

29:47

and his wife says, give it a rest. And he goes, I'm

29:49

making a birdhouse. And perfectly

29:53

David Cross and Charlie Kaufman all

29:55

at once. I

29:58

think the business is free. fascinatingly

30:01

brilliant but unethical as

30:03

hell because they have

30:05

to know, I'm just going through my notes

30:07

you let me know if you want to interject and have no go for it

30:09

absolutely have to know that

30:12

the person being erased will

30:14

eventually find out they were erased and

30:16

will have a better than 50% chance of wanting

30:18

to also erase the

30:21

person that erased them thereby doubling

30:23

your profits I think that is an unethical form

30:26

of marketing you baked into your business

30:29

repeat business and I don't like that

30:31

but I also think it's brilliant I love the scene

30:34

where he's here during the segment

30:37

where he's hearing Elijah

30:39

Wood talking how's he know call

30:41

you tangible he's got Chinese

30:43

food and he's walking around and for a while

30:45

he lingers in the doorway of the kitchen and

30:48

we see the top of his torso and

30:50

then in front of him is a television and playing

30:52

the rest of his torso and it's

30:55

just a kind of visual I

30:57

just

30:58

I would never have thought of something like this but

31:00

it is playing into the exact idea

31:03

of everything that's going on in that moment and I

31:05

never noticed that particular thing

31:07

before and it's not

31:10

and it's like you watch it and you go oh that's

31:12

so brilliant and then you start thinking

31:14

about it and you're just like also not

31:17

that hard to accomplish when you really think about you

31:19

just put a camera on the other side of the TV

31:21

that took to what's showing on like but

31:23

it just it just works and

31:25

I mean you have to get the the angles and everything

31:28

right but I just yeah stuff like

31:30

that I just love I love

31:32

when they go to the drive-in and sit outside the wall

31:34

and make up their own dialogue for the movie that's just

31:36

incredibly romantic kind of

31:39

notion of a thing to do and

31:41

they're adorable when they do it

31:44

mm-hmm and then uh

31:47

you know when researching this movie I

31:49

gotta say I think Michael Gondry might

31:51

be a dick I got a couple of

31:53

notes here I want to read um he

31:59

just didn't tell Well, everybody, everything. He

32:02

told Kate Winslet before they made the movie,

32:04

hey, this is a comedy. And he told Jim

32:07

Carrey, hey, this is a drama. And

32:09

those kind of tricks are generally okay with me. I

32:11

don't really have a problem with that. But

32:13

well, and he's playing off what they usually do,

32:16

right? Like his intent is to bring Kate

32:18

more into the comedic realm and Jim

32:20

more into the dramatic realm. Here

32:23

are the two notes that matter the most. When Jim Carrey first met with Michael

32:25

Gondry about, is it Michael or Michel Gondry?

32:28

I think it may be Michelle. I'll just say

32:31

about starring in the film, he was, Carrey was

32:33

suffering from a depressive episode. Overlaunched,

32:35

Gondry told Carrey, you are so beautiful right

32:38

now. You are so broken. Please

32:40

don't get well. That's

32:42

not okay. And then the other note is after

32:45

filming the scene in the sink for over two hours,

32:47

Kate Winslet fainted and Gondry wanted

32:49

to continue filming, which made Jim Carrey angry

32:51

and he refused to continue shooting until Winslet

32:54

was okay. So Gondry

32:56

sounded like a Hitchcockian

32:58

kind of guy that is going to pursue

33:00

his vision at the expense

33:03

of his actors. And that

33:05

kind of doesn't sit easy with me,

33:07

but some of our greatest art has come

33:09

from some of our most damaged, damaging

33:12

people. But I never knew any

33:14

of that before we did this podcast. Well,

33:18

it genuinely is a cultural shift

33:21

from the demanding, overbearing

33:25

style of leadership and

33:27

coaching. You look at sports and you

33:29

look at what was considered good coaching 50

33:31

years ago and you

33:34

just go, those people

33:36

are abusing high school children. And

33:41

I don't mean in a, I

33:43

just mean in a verbal way in

33:45

that instance,

33:48

but the same was true in movies. It

33:50

was like that was thought to be the way

33:53

you got the best performance was

33:55

to traumatize,

33:58

trick, and and

34:02

otherwise, you know, destroy

34:04

your performers.

34:05

So

34:07

yeah. So yeah, I end

34:09

on the side of thinking that this is a toxic

34:11

relationship that should not continue.

34:15

I do not see the hope that

34:17

you see. I understand,

34:20

I believe, why

34:22

you could see this movie and end with hope. What

34:25

does it for me is the scene where she comes home having

34:27

driven drunk and then proving

34:30

that she is an absolute disaster right now

34:33

and he does the same and proves he's

34:36

an absolute disaster. That is a toxic

34:38

ass relationship. And yes, people

34:41

in real life toxic relationships can

34:43

still be attracted to each other in very

34:46

strong ways. And if they had their memories wiped,

34:48

might still start dating again afterwards and

34:50

it wouldn't mean it wasn't toxic.

34:55

The only reason I'm going to hold to this opinion

34:57

and let you have yours is that I read that

35:00

there was an early version of the script that

35:03

ends with an older

35:06

Clementine going into the memory wiping

35:08

place for procedure and

35:11

we see on a piece of paper or a screen

35:13

that she's had 14 procedures done

35:15

and all of them are for Joel,

35:17

all of them. Amazing.

35:21

So granted, an early

35:23

version of the script does not impact

35:26

the film that we share, but

35:28

it does suggest to me the head

35:30

space of where the filmmakers might have been at.

35:34

I think like most good movies

35:37

and I think this is a great movie, like

35:40

most good movies, you

35:42

want to leave the audience with the ability

35:45

to use their own worldview to

35:47

think about the things that are deep and meaningful

35:49

to them in a way that

35:52

gives them something to process, gives

35:54

them something to think through.

35:57

I think the probably,

35:59

if I'm gonna make. some assumptions, which I'm going to do right now,

36:02

probably the reason they went away

36:04

from that ending is that is too

36:06

clear of an ending. There's no nuance

36:08

in that ending, right? And that's what I

36:10

love about the repeating of the

36:13

snow thing at the end.

36:15

There is nuance there. Like

36:17

he could be making exactly the same point as

36:20

that original ending was making. This is gonna

36:22

happen again and again. But

36:24

it allows the viewer to decide. Yes. Yeah,

36:27

I absolutely agree. Yeah. And

36:29

so, and so as much as I will be the

36:31

one on here saying, here's where I find hope, here's

36:33

where I find beauty, those kind of things,

36:36

I do it well aware that

36:38

that a probably isn't the

36:40

intention of the writer or the

36:42

filmmaker necessarily. Um, but

36:45

that the movie allows me to make

36:47

those complete, allows me to think

36:49

those thoughts or process the world

36:52

in that way. The best argument to make for

36:54

hope is that by

36:57

somehow hearing themselves

37:01

say all the terrible shit about the other

37:03

one, they become changed. Um,

37:06

which I will buy as a possibility,

37:09

uh, that because if

37:11

they were in some kind of loop and

37:14

never got a chance to hear that, then it's definitely

37:16

bleak to me. But the fact

37:19

that they are confronted with their own

37:22

harsh judgments of the other, uh, even

37:25

in the same room, uh, when his

37:27

is playing,

37:28

um,

37:29

I will buy the interpretation

37:31

that that does change them fundamentally

37:33

as humans and how they approach their relationship.

37:36

I don't take that interpretation. Uh,

37:39

the toxic stuff

37:41

is

37:42

this relationship plays out for us in reverse

37:44

and it plays out exactly how toxic

37:47

relationships play out. Uh, if

37:49

you, if you reverse it, it starts out all lovey

37:51

and happy and everything is quirky and fun

37:53

and silly and we just go with it and

37:55

then the cracks start to show

37:58

and then we start to, to

38:00

be mean to each other. And

38:02

again, I have been in

38:04

toxic relationships and

38:07

I have had breakups like that credit

38:10

scene where he's just bawling in the car. Man,

38:14

that happened to me a good three or four times. So

38:18

I can really connect to it. But I walk

38:20

away from this movie a little

38:22

bit sad because

38:24

I feel like they are not a good match.

38:27

They are just really attracted

38:29

to each other. That's why movies

38:31

are awesome. I think

38:34

the movie wants it to be more than just they are

38:36

attracted to each other though. I think especially

38:38

in showing us Jim Carrey watching

38:40

his good memories be erased,

38:43

it's trying to say like no matter

38:45

what the correct, quote

38:47

unquote, correct decision is for them to make, whether

38:49

it's to separate or stay together. And I think the movie

38:52

is very much about where is that line?

38:54

Where is that toxicity line

38:56

in a relationship? Because every relationship

38:59

has sacrifices. Every relationship has

39:01

good memories and bad memories

39:03

and trauma. But not every relationship has one

39:05

saying you fuck people to make them like

39:08

you. I understand. But

39:11

I would also hesitate

39:13

I guess to guess because I don't

39:15

know because I've never said this. But

39:19

I would hesitate to guess that

39:21

some relationships that overall we

39:23

would call positive relationships have said

39:26

terrible things like that in a moment. That

39:29

makes me sad. It

39:32

does make me very sad too. But

39:34

it's also kind of the theme that Anatomy of the Fall was

39:36

dealing with, which is like when you take

39:39

a couple's anger

39:42

with each other or their fight and the things that

39:44

they say during that time out

39:46

of context, you can read a

39:48

story into those

39:51

moments where we're at our worst. And

39:53

I think you're right, Jeremy, I don't

39:55

think there's anything stopping

39:58

us from declaring these. two

40:00

are not good together. I think the movie makes enough

40:02

clear that these two aren't good together. I think

40:04

what the movie wants us to question is, first

40:06

of all, it's not

40:08

our responsibility to tell them they're not good

40:11

together. We're observing that

40:13

in this instance, but also their

40:17

decision-making at the end to go, yeah,

40:19

I know we're not good together in

40:22

these ways, but man, those good times are

40:24

so good, let's try again. That

40:27

is, on an essence level,

40:29

the beauty of a good relationship

40:32

is to be able to understand where

40:34

the truth, like where the pursuit

40:37

of the healthy version of you together

40:40

as opposed to, you know, the negative

40:43

version. So we're talking

40:45

about briefly at least, and I'm not an expert, but I

40:48

am pretty certain that Clementine is

40:50

dealing with some sort of bipolar

40:54

mental health condition, the way

40:56

that she's written, but

40:58

there's nothing proclaimed there, and

41:02

that would only lead me a little bit more towards

41:04

your interpretation that they

41:08

are accepting that they're not going to be perfect,

41:10

they are accepting that times are going to be rough.

41:13

The movie is also asking us, I believe,

41:16

to make an assessment of our own trauma

41:18

and understand that it never should

41:22

have happened to us, it's terrible

41:24

that it did, and yet to

41:26

erase that memory is to

41:29

erase possible good things that

41:31

happened because of that. That doesn't mean it was a

41:33

good thing, it just means as

41:35

human beings we are able to survive,

41:37

to adapt, to do other

41:40

things, and to erase the memory

41:42

of the trauma in many ways is to erase

41:46

growth or maturity or even

41:51

knowledge in a loss of naivete

41:53

and like all these things that are important as you

41:56

become older and see

41:58

the world like our world. view depends

42:00

on those things. So I think the movie

42:03

is making another point about

42:06

the idea of sometimes we wish we could change

42:09

the past instead of understanding

42:11

how complex and nuanced the past really

42:13

is. Or even perspective-wise.

42:16

I think the movie, I could make an argument that the

42:18

movie is saying that good moments

42:21

are sweeter because

42:23

the bad moments exist. Like

42:26

I brought this up a number of times. There was a car

42:28

commercial 20-15 years ago and I loved

42:31

the slogan because it was drive everything else first.

42:34

And it basically said you need to see

42:36

what bad looks like. You

42:38

understand what good looks like. And

42:41

I think the movie is, I think that's why the movie

42:44

plays the way it does. The bad memories

42:46

come out

42:47

first and

42:49

that's when you realize oh he probably

42:51

had forgotten the good memories. The bad ones

42:53

had overshadowed the good ones. Yeah

42:55

it's just deep. There's so many ways to come at it, come

42:58

out from it, talk about it. And again

43:00

I think it's a masterpiece. I'm gonna

43:02

go over a few other things that

43:05

I noted. I love the score in this movie.

43:07

Very early on as they're

43:10

on the bus there's this oboe.

43:13

I think it's an oboe that comes in with this like

43:15

really bouncy like

43:17

score kind of thing. And it just, the

43:20

way the music punctuates

43:23

the mood of the it's

43:26

just so good. I've seen

43:28

that I read that they

43:30

reversed the traditional thing. It's

43:32

a scene in the train early on

43:35

when they're first having their conversation. And

43:37

most movies would play music when

43:40

they're not speakers and then stop

43:42

when they speak and this movie does the opposite. So

43:44

every time they speak in that train scene score

43:46

comes in and when they stop talking it goes silent.

43:48

And it just creates that unsettling

43:51

kind of you know magnet that

43:53

pulls you in. Anyway yeah the

43:55

scores are great too.

43:58

So Jim Carrey is so good in this. It

44:00

makes me very sad that he was dealing with whatever

44:02

he was dealing with And

44:04

more sad that Michelle gandhry would

44:07

encourage him not to get help. That's

44:10

just disgusting in my opinion but

44:13

he is he is so good

44:15

in this and I genuinely

44:19

I Genuinely

44:22

get sad when I think about

44:25

how much he Wanted recognition

44:27

from his peers in the work that

44:30

he was doing that probably deserved

44:32

some kudos in some recognition from

44:34

his peers and The process

44:37

he had to go through to come through the other side

44:39

of going. Oh, I guess I don't need

44:42

that Is I

44:44

don't know I get sad for the journey.

44:46

He spent investing in

44:49

being a you know, high quality

44:51

dramatic actor and then You

44:54

know coming through the other side Realizing

44:57

that that that he would the pursuit was

44:59

fine. The work was great, but

45:01

that his Priorities

45:03

were in the wrong place for him. This

45:05

is stuff. He said For everyone

45:08

like yeah, I know Jonah Hill's not having

45:10

a great PR year, but that Documentary

45:13

he did with his therapist. He tells

45:15

a story in there about After

45:19

he got nominated for an Oscar He

45:21

realized oh shit like the ideal

45:23

perfect life is still not making me happy

45:26

like I have to look for happiness somewhere

45:28

outside of What I thought

45:31

was going to provide at that moment right with

45:33

me from that film trying to apply that to my life.

45:35

Yeah. Yeah Charlie

45:38

Kaufman's a genius. I'll say it as many times

45:40

as a I get an opportunity to I love the way his brain

45:42

works Gondry also works really well

45:44

with Carrie. I don't know if anybody else like

45:47

anybody I maybe I was the only one who

45:49

saw the TV show kidding that Jim

45:51

Carrey and the gondry did I

45:53

think there's a lot to glean from that show

45:56

as well. So I'll throw in a little subtle

45:59

recommend for that The

46:01

amazing effects, you've already mentioned them a little bit. I

46:03

wanted to mention a couple others. The

46:05

first one that popped out to me was when he's walking

46:07

from the bookstore into the home. And

46:10

you just get a sense of he's

46:13

walking out of the bookstore, but he walks right into

46:15

the living room of a house. And again, it's

46:17

not like a magic trick. We

46:20

all know they build a set that was the

46:22

bookstore and they had a door that went into a

46:24

set that was a living room. But the effect

46:27

of how the lights get turned out as an

46:29

example of the memory being erased and then he's

46:31

in the living room, like it's just the conceptualization

46:34

of it is just so good. You

46:37

mentioned the shot of care eating takeout through

46:40

the TV, which I wanted to mention. The

46:42

people disappearing from the train station

46:44

has always stood out to me. That

46:47

is a shot that I'm pretty sure was not

46:49

done practically, but

46:51

it's still nonetheless pretty amazing.

46:55

And then the Baby Joel stuff, just

46:57

building that big set and having Jim Carrey

46:59

play a little kid under the table.

47:02

And just all that stuff works really, really

47:04

well for me. When they do cut during that

47:06

sequence to two child actors,

47:09

they keep using Jim Carrey. I

47:11

just forgot her name. Common

47:13

times, they keep using those adult actors'

47:16

voices. Yes, even though it's child

47:19

actors on screen. I thought that was an interesting question.

47:22

Sand is overrated. It's just tiny little rocks.

47:27

I thought he and Anakin Skywalker

47:29

should get together and implement on

47:31

Sand. It's everywhere. The

47:35

absolute genius that is giving us

47:37

the backstory we need as it's being

47:39

erased, just, I mean,

47:42

just the thought of doing it in that

47:44

way. The

47:47

freedom you have as a writer or a director

47:49

to give the audience the information you want

47:51

to give them at whatever point you want

47:54

to give it to him, because we're just jumping around his

47:56

memories to erase them. It has

47:58

a literal. practical

48:01

purpose in the story, and

48:04

it also allows to do all

48:06

the exposition you would ever want to do. It's just,

48:08

it's a really genius conceit

48:11

as far as how the exposition is done.

48:13

It's a quote,

48:16

my crotch is still here just as you remember

48:18

it. It just makes me laugh every single

48:20

time. And then I wanted

48:23

to mention the doll story that Clementine tells. I

48:25

think it's one of the saddest stories and speaks

48:27

to her childhood trauma when she's talking

48:29

about having a doll because the doll

48:31

was ugly and then telling the doll you

48:34

can't be ugly, be pretty, and knowing

48:37

that she was talking to herself and

48:40

just powerful, powerful stuff. And

48:42

I couldn't finish without mentioning the

48:45

primary quotes of this movie that Mary delivers

48:48

to us, by the way. One of them

48:50

from Nietzsche, blessed are the forgetful for they

48:52

forget the error of their blunders, certainly

48:55

speaks to what you were saying about

48:58

the intent of this is probably the

49:00

more cynical view because

49:02

when you talk about blunders you're not talking about

49:04

forgetting the good stuff. But

49:07

then the secondary quote puts a little nuance on that

49:09

which is how happy is the blameless vestal's lot?

49:11

The world forgetting by the world forgot. Eternal

49:14

sunshine of the spotless mind, each prayer accepted,

49:16

each wish resigned. Ignorance

49:18

is bliss is basically the

49:21

theme there in the movie I think says,

49:23

but is it? So

49:25

that's that's kind of a really beautiful

49:28

symmetry going on there as well. Just good stuff

49:30

all around. Man this is just a good watch. It

49:33

really is. It's brilliant and I'm

49:35

glad you brought it to the show and I hope that some

49:38

people got exposed to it and agree

49:40

with me about the ending. You

49:43

got a double feature for us? The

49:45

very, very quiet secret. What

49:47

secret? A dirty little secret. I

49:49

have to tell you something I've never told anyone. Are

49:54

you ready for the double feature? Let's do the double feature.

49:56

I, before picking, I had a list

49:59

of looks like... with 12 possibles,

50:01

which is the most I've ever come up with. But that

50:04

speaks to how difficult this is to match

50:06

up a feature with because there

50:08

are two things you might

50:10

want to tie a double feature to.

50:13

And that's either the memory play or

50:17

the, what I'm calling toxic

50:19

relationship. And

50:21

I can hardly, I think

50:24

the movie is pretty clear. It's a toxic relationship.

50:27

There's a line where you go, yes,

50:30

but how much of, you know, anyways, continue. I

50:32

can hardly think of any

50:34

movies that both play with memory as

50:37

a core theme, but also

50:39

focus on a toxic relationship.

50:42

When I was playing with memory, I

50:44

looked at things like Memento. I

50:48

looked at things

50:51

like The Jacket, which is partially

50:53

a time-traveling movie. I

50:56

really, really wanted to go with Blue Valentine

51:00

because I think that is the perfect toxic

51:02

relationship pairing. But

51:05

it wasn't perfect enough for me, even though

51:08

that movie is a perfect double-pairing,

51:11

double feature. I'm going with The Vanilla Sky, which

51:15

is a movie that plays with what

51:17

is real and what is not real. It

51:20

includes a toxic relationship

51:22

as well as a new relationship.

51:26

I don't necessarily want to spoil

51:29

Vanilla Sky, but I will say that

51:31

a character at the end of the movie has

51:34

a choice to go back

51:36

and relive their life the

51:39

way they had or not. And

51:42

I think that's maybe

51:44

the key thing that makes this a double feature

51:46

for me, is that the main character

51:49

faces a very similar choice at

51:52

the end. And I think a lot of the themes

51:54

are the same. A lot of the symbolism would

51:56

match up. So, yeah,

51:58

that's good. I settled on Vanilla Sky. this guy, it's not

52:01

necessarily a movie I would straight

52:03

up recommend.

52:05

I would almost recommend Open Your Eyes,

52:08

which is the Spanish-Lagwood version that it is a remake

52:10

of and I think is better. But

52:13

I do think it is good and I think it is a good pairing

52:15

for this man. So there you go. Good choice.

52:18

And now I think it

52:20

falls to me to tell you next

52:23

week's homework. There

52:25

was actually a little foreshadowing in the small

52:28

recommends for this week's homework and I noticed

52:30

one person in the chat has just watched this

52:32

movie. We're going to watch Defending

52:35

Your Life, an Albert Brooks movie where

52:38

he goes to heaven and has to, well

52:40

he goes to a purgatory-ish place and

52:42

has to defend his life

52:45

to a panel and he meets Meryl

52:47

Streep in Kina Falls 4. This

52:49

movie is awesome. I haven't seen it in probably

52:52

eight or nine years. It is on max

52:55

right now and I

52:57

do want to be clear that

53:00

we are going to skip a week on

53:02

this show. There will be no show next week. Our

53:05

recording week next week is Thanksgiving

53:07

week and so we're going to skip and

53:09

take the time off and relax and celebrate Thanksgiving

53:12

with our families and then the following week we

53:14

will be back to record and Defending Your Life

53:17

will be featured. Recommend. Aaron,

53:21

have you seen Defending Your Life? I have not.

53:23

I'm excited to check it out. I'm always

53:25

excited for Albert

53:28

Brooks movies I haven't seen and Meryl Streep movies

53:30

I haven't seen. Hey, this ticks

53:32

both of those boxes. Hey, I'm back

53:34

to that. Alright,

53:37

well I think that's going to do it for this week's episode.

53:39

Thanks again to the chat for coming out. You

53:41

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53:44

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53:46

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53:49

week your homework is, no not actually, two weeks,

53:51

Defending Your Life. Albert Brooks, it's on Max. I

53:54

hope you love it. For Aaron Dicer, I'm Jeremy

53:56

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excellent at broads i like announcing what

54:36

i'm doing titan titan anyway

54:42

how you doing i'm good i'm

54:45

good i got a little sick

54:47

yesterday a little bit of food sickness yeah

54:49

you know it presents in usually one of two very

54:51

specific ways and it was only in one of the ways

54:54

but that is still you know one

54:56

of those things where it's just like can this just stop now

54:59

can like you know can we just move on stomach

55:01

whatever you're dealing with let's go ahead

55:03

and move to the next part there was

55:05

a period early on

55:08

in my anxiety journey

55:10

uh like pre-diagnosis where

55:14

i would my general routine when i get up in

55:16

the morning is i brush my teeth and then i come

55:19

downstairs and pull out a bottle of water and i have

55:21

a nice gulp of a bottle of water and for

55:24

some i'm sorry to be disgusting but um it

55:26

was a stomach related anxiety thing that i right

55:29

i didn't know was tied to anxiety but anyway like

55:31

five days ago i'm just

55:34

sitting here you know drinking my morning iced

55:36

tea from starbucks and i bought this splendid

55:39

juice thing that i was pounding and ultimately

55:41

i think i just drank too fast too much uh

55:43

but there was this like but

55:46

i had to leave the room and go um refund

55:50

um my wife to return

55:53

to this store i can

55:55

i can talk about something less gross uh i

55:58

i can um do you want a story

56:00

from the errand continues to

56:03

age into old people things. Oh, that's

56:05

as long as it's not. No, I don't think it's gross. Uh,

56:08

I have, I have discovered the miracle that

56:11

is house slippers. Um,

56:14

you know, like there is, my

56:16

wife helped me discover this miracle. She bought

56:18

us some slippers. I've never been a slipper person. I'm

56:20

a barefoot person as much as possible. I'll

56:22

walk around my house barefoot. I'll walk out into the

56:25

yard barefoot. I will do occasional

56:27

driving chores barefoot. Won't bother putting shoes

56:29

or socks on and I'll run down to a drive

56:32

through or whatever and drive barefoot. Which

56:35

by the way, driving barefoot is safer

56:37

than driving with shoes on. Many people don't know that,

56:39

but, uh, says

56:42

the studies, Jeremy, just the

56:44

studies. That's all you gotta do. Says the studies.

56:46

Tell me, tell me to just say, do your research,

56:49

Jeremy. One thing

56:51

that I remember my grandmother

56:53

for, and I didn't get to spend tons of time

56:55

with my grandmother because we lived halfway across

56:57

the country, but she would send my brother and I

57:00

every Christmas and probably did this for most of the

57:02

cousins. If not, those listening to this

57:04

show are going to be jealous. She

57:09

would send us these hand knitted, um,

57:12

slip slippers. They were made out

57:14

of what I think was just basic yarn, but

57:17

they were colorful and they were warm and, uh, any

57:20

non carpeted surface in the house, you could

57:23

do the risky business slide. Um,

57:25

and my brother and I loved, we had, we shared a bedroom

57:28

for several years. It was a converted

57:30

attic. So it was as long as the house, uh,

57:33

and it was all linoleum. And so we

57:35

did lots of sliding up there. Um,

57:38

but anyway, I have not been a slipper guy as

57:40

an adult. What I have done is, and I,

57:42

I think I

57:44

even recommended these on a recutopia episode

57:46

is I've merged my sneakers with slip-ons

57:49

and I'm wearing these Nike. Yeah. Yeah.

57:52

The Nike go fly. Yeah. The go fly ease.

57:54

Yeah. Yeah. That I can slip

57:57

in and out of when I want to, whether it's, you know,

57:59

the only. The only downside is if it's

58:01

raining,

58:03

the tops are meshy enough that

58:05

I tend to want a different shoe because I get

58:07

a little wet. But it hasn't rained

58:09

here in nearly 16 years from

58:13

how it feels. And so I've

58:15

been wearing these for like a month. Yeah, but generally

58:17

you'll wear socks with those too, right? Absolutely.

58:21

The only time I'm barefoot is in the shower and when I'm sleeping.

58:24

Oh, that like makes my skin cringe.

58:27

Like I don't know how people wear socks. They're

58:29

so annoying. That's wild. You

58:32

got to touch dirt, man. You got to get your

58:35

feet in the dirt and the grass and make

58:37

connection with Mother Earth, Jeremy.

58:40

No, no. I'm

58:42

fine. Here's some weird stuff. I'm

58:48

going back to gross stuff. Two

58:50

days ago, which was Sunday –

58:53

I'm math – two

58:56

days ago as we record this, we saw a deer. We saw

58:58

a deer in our backyard just laying down maybe 50

59:01

feet away from the house. We

59:04

like to see the deer. It's one of our favorite things about

59:06

living where we live. And then like half

59:09

an hour later, we noticed there was a young buck

59:12

that was maybe 100 yards away and

59:14

he was laying down. That was new. He

59:17

had shown up. And I had just read –

59:19

we have massive deer problems where we

59:21

live. They are overpopulation?

59:26

Yes. Okay, so the average

59:28

number of deer at a square mile in the state

59:31

of Tennessee is like one point –

59:33

oh, it's like 19 points something. And

59:36

in our condensed area, it's like

59:38

80-some. It's

59:41

really out of control. And anyway,

59:43

I was reading about that, and the article

59:45

mentioned that it's mating season, which causes them to

59:47

cross the road a lot more often than they

59:50

normally would. And so I said to my wife,

59:52

I did read that it's mating season. Maybe

59:54

he's looking to do some

59:57

stuff. So we went and got lunch or what

59:59

made lunch. and sat down while we're eating, we're

1:00:01

looking out the back and we see him put his

1:00:04

head down and start walking

1:00:06

towards the female and she gets up and kind of trots

1:00:08

away and we watch this dance while

1:00:11

we're eating lunch, which I admit is probably not

1:00:13

appropriate. Anyway, they ultimately did

1:00:15

the thing, like the nature channel

1:00:18

right there in our backyard, like, and

1:00:20

my wife was grossed out and I was kind of fascinated

1:00:23

because it's nature and I

1:00:25

was surprised they would do it out in the open.

1:00:28

I would think they would if you think

1:00:30

they were not imaginary.

1:00:32

The

1:00:34

story is not over, even though I know we got to start the thing soon. The

1:00:37

very next day, we see

1:00:40

two vultures in the same spot in our backyard

1:00:42

and one of them starts crouching and chasing the other one.

1:00:45

And we did not see anything

1:00:47

nature channel happen other than him kind

1:00:49

of following her for several minutes and then they both flew

1:00:51

off. But our yard is a brothel.

1:00:53

Animals be screwing in our yard. There's

1:00:56

payment going on? There's something

1:00:58

growing in my grass that is turning on all of the

1:01:00

species and I don't know what I'm going to see today. But

1:01:06

there's going to be two animals out there going at it. I'm

1:01:08

just, anyway, I thought I'd set up a camera and done

1:01:10

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