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The day's big recommend as ruthless

1:51

people and I once again like

1:54

to welcome chat who have come

1:56

out here to watch us on

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a Tuesday. Does anybody have. have

2:00

any small recommend. It's no big

2:02

deal. It's so

2:05

small and white. It's small, it's tiny, it's

2:07

petite, it's weed. Mine is

2:09

the very very smallest this week so

2:11

I will kick things off because I'm

2:13

knock on my food and beverage bullshit

2:16

ladies and gentlemen. I want to

2:18

introduce you to a new drink

2:21

in your supermarket. It's liquid deaths

2:24

ice teas. Oh no.

2:26

Liquid death is a water brand. They

2:29

mostly have been known for

2:31

selling sparkling water, most

2:34

of it flavored with very

2:36

clever titles like severed lime

2:39

and whatnot. They're better,

2:41

more clever than that. I

2:43

don't like sparkling water so I never gave the

2:45

brand another look and they're like all edgy. It

2:47

looks like a beer can, they're like metal

2:50

and like you know murder your thirst

2:52

is their tagline but I

2:54

did realize several months ago they also have

2:56

just a regular spring water so

2:58

I bought a case of that and it was really good. Spring

3:00

water from any natural spring in the

3:03

world I'm gonna enjoy it. Spring water is good. Just

3:06

a month ago I realized they

3:08

now have tea. They have three

3:10

tea flavors. Regular, Preston

3:13

peach and armless Palmer. So the armless

3:15

Palmer is a little bit of lemonade

3:18

lemon in there with the tea. Peach

3:20

is obviously a little bit of peach in there. Now

3:23

here's the catch. I drink a ton

3:25

of ice tea but I drink

3:27

it unsweetened. I don't like sweet tea.

3:30

The only time I like my tea sweetened is

3:32

when it is a fruit flavored tea. So

3:35

I haven't even had the regular one here because all

3:37

three of these have 30 calories. It's a big tall

3:39

boy too, that's not a lot of calories and they

3:41

all have agave in them so they're

3:43

all gonna be a tiny bit sweet but the

3:46

lemon and the peach are amazing because any

3:49

other bottled canned tea whether it's

3:52

Lipton or

3:54

the Arizona or whatever

3:57

it would be way too sweet. It would be Too

3:59

amazing. Iraq is girl. it'll sugared sort

4:02

of labored takes. This is just

4:04

barely sweet. It's just a hint

4:06

of sweet malt. Maybe more than

4:08

a hit. Maybe. Disliked a hint

4:10

plus one of sweet to where you take

4:12

a sip it at first you like. I'm

4:14

not even true that's well there it is

4:16

and it kind of comes in at the

4:18

end and I have. I cannot drink enough

4:20

of these at this point now. Ah that's

4:22

very very refreshing. Not too sweet without sweetie.

4:24

I'm an so there you go liquid death.

4:27

And be like sparkling water they got

4:29

Palms of Labor's about. Give that a

4:31

try. I've actually have this before. I'm

4:34

in the and people who listen to

4:36

our outtakes will hear me talking about

4:38

going to a concert and that through

4:40

that venue sold Liquid Death and the

4:43

and so that was the best way

4:45

to stay hydrated because they didn't have

4:47

like like regular bottled water and stuff

4:49

like that. But I'm but the it's

4:52

it was pretty good. It's it's it's

4:54

it's weird drinking out of that can

4:56

and irritating water but after a while

4:58

to get used to it and everything

5:00

so I will go ahead and do

5:03

my small recommend. The was a movie

5:05

that came out in two thousand and

5:07

one on H B O called Conspiracy.

5:09

I'm a lot of people, a lot

5:12

of of of. Praise. Has

5:14

been going towards this movie

5:16

the Zone of Interests this

5:18

past year or because it

5:20

it shows of it basically

5:23

has the horrors of Auschwitz

5:25

in the background as this

5:27

German family lives their normal

5:29

lives and don't seem to

5:31

care about what's going on

5:33

all around. The this is

5:36

a movie that also sort

5:38

of speaks to the horror

5:40

of just treating people like

5:42

objects and. i'm and

5:44

everything this is the meeting

5:46

in which a whole bunch

5:48

of high german officials decided

5:50

that they would answer the

5:52

question of the jewish problem

5:54

or whatever it is and

5:56

kenneth branagh plays the general

5:59

who basically just takes over this

6:01

meeting. Stanley Tucci is also in this. He's

6:03

sort of a right hand man, the Kenneth

6:05

Branagh. And Colin Firth

6:07

is also in this movie. But there's

6:10

a whole bunch of people who go

6:12

around the table. And

6:14

they all have their ideas about what to

6:17

do about Jewish people here.

6:19

Some of them just want to make it

6:22

where they can't have kids anymore. And that's

6:24

all they don't want to kill people. And

6:26

then there's the question about what if there's

6:29

a German guy who's married to a Jewish

6:31

woman? What do we do with them? What

6:33

do we do with their kids? What do

6:35

we do with that? There's all this like

6:38

this talk and discussion and then like

6:40

the very meaning of words start

6:44

getting twisted in this whole discussion about what

6:46

they should do about the Jews and this

6:48

whole thing. Where

6:50

they start talking about terms of

6:53

like, they

6:55

just start making it where, oh, it's

6:57

what better form of birth control is

6:59

there than just killing them all? And

7:03

stuff like that. And then they're just

7:05

casually tossing this around at this table.

7:07

It's an interesting dynamic because you're sitting

7:10

there watching this and you're like, well,

7:12

this guy is evil, but he's

7:14

not as evil as this other

7:16

person. That's basically what you're dealing

7:18

with at this table and

7:21

everything. People have their own ideas

7:23

about what they should do about

7:25

this problem. And this was the

7:28

groundwork being laid for the camps

7:30

and everything that we have heard

7:32

about so much at this point.

7:34

This movie is an

7:38

extremely sobering,

7:42

I guess double feature if you wanted to do it

7:44

with zone of interest. I don't

7:46

know if you would want to do that to yourself, but

7:50

it is a very powerful movie

7:52

and Brana is great in

7:54

it. Of course, Everybody in

7:56

this is really good. I Had never heard of it

7:58

before from the last day. I have never

8:01

heard of this movie in life. I

8:03

would. I would recommend it if you

8:05

are. You know in the mood to

8:07

watch this kind of thing? It is

8:09

a different what we were used to

8:11

seeing it up close and personal. like

8:13

with a similar list or you know

8:15

something like that. But here when things

8:17

are very impersonal we realize how like

8:19

I think you really just seal the

8:21

deal, how evil it is when it's

8:23

done That this topic is is tossed

8:25

around like it's like nothing. And. That's.

8:28

That's. The gist of it. So. Fascinating.

8:33

Yeah, I'd never heard of that

8:35

either. Him man, he'd see I

8:37

buy Love! Both of these are

8:39

small Recommends: I am intrigued by

8:41

both of them for very different

8:43

reasons, but I love Phd man.

8:45

Teach Oh My. God. I

8:48

hate hate Nazis like

8:50

I'm I'm. Very

8:53

intrigued. But but yeah, both of these intrigue

8:55

beats I'm I'm not a little different. today.

8:57

I'm going with a board game that is

8:59

also mobile game. In fact, I mostly play

9:01

the mobile game. Now though I have played

9:04

the board game. Called

9:06

Wingspan This I believe started

9:08

as a kickstarter many years

9:10

ago. He and it is

9:12

a board game about birds.

9:14

Each card is a different

9:16

bird. There are three different areas

9:18

where you play your birds like the

9:20

wetlands, the grasslands in the forest. They have

9:23

different kinds of ness. They have different kinds

9:25

of food they need, they have different amounts

9:27

of eggs they can lay and all of

9:29

those things combined by the into the game

9:32

to give you a certain amount of points

9:34

as you try to beat the people you're

9:36

playing in Wingspan Of what I love about

9:39

this game is there's a chance element to

9:41

it in that you're always thinking four, five,

9:43

six steps ahead. Ah, like what is the

9:46

best path to the most. points like if

9:48

i play this bird here three turns from

9:50

now that's good results in you know me

9:52

being able to have three eggs on this

9:54

nest or whatever or if i play this

9:56

combination of birds they work really well together

9:59

to the every time I lay eggs,

10:01

I also get food. And I also get,

10:03

you know, so there's, there's like really interesting,

10:05

uh, permutations, which my brain tickles my brain.

10:07

So I love thinking about the different permutations.

10:10

I've been playing this game a lot. I

10:12

have someone I've been playing this game with.

10:14

We have played a hundred games in the

10:16

last, uh, you know, two, three weeks. Um,

10:19

so yeah, it's, there's always,

10:23

well, it's nice because there's always a game going and just

10:25

when you can play, you play your turn. And if you

10:28

happen to be playing at the same time, it goes pretty

10:30

quickly, but it's, you know, it's on the

10:32

mobile game. It's, it's nice because you don't have to

10:34

be locked into it. You can

10:36

play your physical board game version of this

10:38

game. I didn't know there was a mobile

10:40

game. Yes. Yeah.

10:43

And yeah, it's, it's, it's a board game.

10:45

First, the mobile game, however, is also really

10:47

nice because all of the different things that

10:49

happen with the cards automatically happen

10:52

and happen correctly. Uh, I played this board game a

10:54

few times and gone like, you know, three turns and

10:56

gone, oh, I didn't take those eggs. I was supposed

10:58

to take, you know, this thing happened and I have

11:00

this card that makes this thing happen. So, and that's

11:03

part of, I mean, that's part of your responsibility

11:05

as a player to know those things when you're playing

11:07

the board game. So that's on, that's on me, but

11:09

it's nice when you're playing the mobile game that

11:11

the mobile game just says, okay, now it's time for

11:13

you to play your eggs. Where are you going to

11:15

play them? You know, that kind of thing. The way

11:18

you talked about this game makes me think you would

11:20

love the civilization games because it's

11:23

all about thinking five,

11:25

10, 15 moves ahead with

11:28

the move you're making now. That's

11:30

the only problem with that game

11:32

is it's crack. It's one of

11:35

those games that gives

11:37

you that dopamine rush every

11:39

five minutes and just keeps you clicking and

11:42

keeps you. Okay. I'll go one

11:44

more year. I'll go one more year. But

11:48

that satisfies my brain the way it

11:50

sounds like this game satisfies your maybe, maybe

11:53

the original board game has, I think

11:55

four expansions now, either three or four

11:57

expansions. And they're basically each expansion is.

12:00

a new continent of birds. So they're taking

12:02

the birds from a new continent, bringing it

12:04

into the game, giving them different powers. I

12:06

think it's the second expansion actually changes the

12:08

game quite a bit. It's a whole different

12:10

board and it

12:12

introduces a thing called nectar, which basically can

12:14

be any food. So the expansions

12:17

do change the game and give it even

12:19

more permutations than the base game. But

12:22

I think whether you're playing the base game or

12:24

the expansions, it's a

12:26

lot of fun. I really enjoy Wingspan. And

12:29

if you play online, my username

12:31

is just my name. So you

12:33

can throw out a game and maybe

12:35

I'll pop in and we can play some Wingspan. But yeah,

12:37

I'm having a great time with it. Sounds

12:40

awesome. Yep. All

12:42

right. All right, we're going to get

12:44

on to our big recommend. I'm fine.

12:46

I'm fine. It's just that you're so big.

12:48

It's so huge. It's

12:50

a good rule, but this is bigger than

12:52

rules. It's bigger on the inside. Is it?

12:55

I'm the nicest. I have gotten to

12:57

the 1980s with my comedies of the

12:59

decade and everything. We're doing

13:01

Ruthless People. This is the

13:04

Zucker Abrams, Zucker production, a

13:06

movie that they did not

13:08

write and apparently

13:10

had an experience

13:12

on this like they had not had before

13:14

with their three previous movies where they were

13:16

able to collaborate and everything.

13:19

Apparently this was such a bad

13:21

experience for them that they'd never

13:23

co-directed a movie again after this.

13:28

So they went on to just

13:30

do their own solo stuff.

13:32

Jerry Zucker went on to do stuff

13:34

like Ghost and First Night and things

13:37

like that after this,

13:39

which was very strange considering what movies he

13:41

was a bit far from before. First Night

13:43

is one of the most miscast movies ever,

13:45

even if you only look at Richard Geer.

13:48

I think Connery's out of place there too,

13:50

but Richard Geer, okay, I'll stop. Yeah,

13:54

but anyway, regardless of

13:57

whether, regardless of the

13:59

behind the scenes being a bad time.

14:01

I think what gets on screen is

14:04

really good. So we'll

14:06

start with our character of Sam

14:09

Stone, played by Danny DeVito, who

14:12

was talking to his mistress named Carol

14:14

about how he married his boss and he was

14:17

about to die and he worked quickly to marry

14:19

his daughter Barbara, played by Bette Midler. He

14:21

wanted the inheritance because that guy was

14:24

gonna die immediately, he thought. But

14:26

the guy didn't die for another 15 years. And

14:30

he has put up with his annoying

14:32

wife the entire time. And

14:34

then he decided to make his

14:36

own fortune. He started, he created

14:38

this thing called Spandex Miniskirts. And

14:40

an idea that we will find out has

14:42

been stolen. And now the

14:45

old man finally died. Danny DeVito wants

14:47

to kill his wife. So

14:49

he tells Carol he wants to throw her off a

14:51

bridge. She's gonna use some chloroform and throw her off

14:53

a bridge. And then so

14:55

he comes home to kill his wife, ready

14:57

with the chloroform in his hand. She's not

14:59

there. And at some point he

15:02

gets really annoyed with the dog and throws

15:04

chloroform at her somewhere in the backyard. This

15:06

dog named Muff. He gets

15:08

a call from someone named Ken Kessler, played

15:10

by Judge Reinhold, who tells them that they've

15:12

kidnapped his wife and he wants $500,000. He

15:17

instructs Sam not to call police or

15:19

media, any deviation from the

15:21

rules and he will kill them. Kill,

15:24

kill his wife. So the next scene,

15:26

there's a bunch of police and media

15:29

outside Sam's house. We

15:31

cut over to the Kessler's. Ken and his

15:33

wife Sandy, played by Helen Slater, who are

15:35

trying to deal with the extremely difficult Barbara.

15:37

They even, they get into such a struggle

15:40

with Barbara who's putting up quite a fight

15:42

in that bag, by the way. And

15:46

she falls down some steps and they may

15:48

even think she died and it's foreshadowing to

15:50

something that happens later. She's

15:53

not scared of anything. And

15:55

She's under the impression that Sam is going

15:58

to do anything to get her back. Gonna.

16:00

Gonna either send the money or he's

16:02

connected with the mob and he's going

16:04

to be able to kick you guys and

16:07

all this stuff. She's quite the pill.

16:09

It's pretty obvious. So

16:11

the. The. Customers then or stone

16:13

define the media hand. The police

16:15

have been notified and extremely quickly

16:17

and we find out that Sam

16:20

took Sandy's idea for the mini

16:22

skirts and that's the reason they

16:24

kidnapped. My, it's pretty

16:26

obvious they are not killers which leads

16:28

to a stalemate between them and Sam

16:30

who wants his wife said and the

16:32

counselors who don't seem to want to

16:34

kill anybody. They're not really criminals and so

16:36

here's the set of as a hilarious

16:38

still may because he but they don't

16:40

wonder that know what the other once

16:42

in this whole thing though it's it's

16:44

pretty they the the things that if he

16:46

just doesn't pay they'll just killer and

16:48

of a be fine and whatever but

16:50

it never happens. There's

16:52

also a point I thought this was an

16:55

interesting part in the movie because. Ten.

16:57

Starts talking about we need to be

16:59

ruthless We need to stop Be no

17:02

being so nice And you see while

17:04

he says that he saves a spider.

17:07

Ah, in the house and

17:09

then let's the spider out.

17:12

And. Then literally they step on

17:14

the joke. I'm wondering if that's

17:16

the joke. Then. The that

17:18

on the job because he's it. looks

17:20

like. Eve. After talking about being ruthless,

17:22

he can't even kill a spider. He's.

17:25

About to go back in and then he comes back

17:27

out and stop on the spiders. I'll I was. I

17:29

like it. It feels like it be better if he

17:31

didn't. Step. On the spider but we

17:34

have a. You. Guessed of yeah I

17:36

saw era We had this exact same conversation

17:38

my wife and I my wife was with

17:40

me actually one of my sons watch with

17:42

me last night as well. In that moment

17:44

he throws up a spider, my wife is

17:46

laughing and saying that as he saying this

17:48

is the my getting the joke you know

17:50

cause it's it's hilarious and then he comes

17:53

out in steps on the spider in in

17:55

it was like will the joke was already

17:57

there like what is this in ice ice

17:59

The conclusions. Into is that we're supposed

18:01

to be drawing character assumptions based on

18:03

this. In other words, he is battling

18:06

with himself. That's what we're supposed to

18:08

know about this character as he is

18:10

fighting for his you know naive at

18:12

a flash you know ruthlessness as between

18:15

them so that that's was indicate hits

18:17

I seeing him not being able to

18:19

decide which he really is. So right

18:22

now okay okay ah I'm aren't So

18:24

then we're back. The Sam's Mr Carroll

18:26

who as a side piece of her

18:28

own googling know I. Love him so

18:31

much. Oh man

18:33

and his first all for it.

18:35

Up at its Feet is the

18:37

dumbest character of the movie easily

18:39

by far. Terrell Higher hires Earl

18:41

of Videotaped Sam killing his wife

18:43

which is he thinks will be

18:45

taking place later at night. And.

18:47

She hopes to use the blackmail to take

18:50

the money that Sam as inheriting all goes

18:52

to a place where the murder is going

18:54

to go with going to go down the

18:56

bridge and see the carpool up and it's

18:58

someone we will later find out of the

19:00

cheaper boys. We don't know that right away

19:02

because for comedy purposes but. It. We

19:05

will find out later that the chief

19:07

of police and he's brought a prostitute

19:09

to this bridge and he's basically saying

19:11

you know what? My wife is very

19:13

quiet and bad I hate that would

19:15

you be extremely loud and she's like

19:17

yes and they have one of the

19:19

weirdest and Wilders and loud a sec

19:21

seems that has ever been put on

19:24

film. Ah if it gets to the

19:26

point where she's hanging out of the

19:28

driver side and he's. Like.

19:30

Coming out with her in it and

19:32

everything looks as lucky screwing around me

19:34

at one point. It's

19:37

just. As

19:39

it is also the how sexual

19:42

intercourse with happening video if is

19:44

pulled an end and of course

19:46

url who doesn't know what Sam

19:48

or Barbara looks like thing that

19:50

this am and Barbara and the

19:52

the screaming and everything and and

19:54

maybe that kind of the boy

19:56

is that it so beyond what

19:58

actual sexual intercourse is it. does look

20:00

like he's killing her in

20:02

this thing. But Earl definitely

20:05

thinks that that's Sam

20:08

killing Barbara and he can barely look at it,

20:10

but he's got it on tape. And

20:12

so he takes the tape to Carol who

20:15

pops it in and just sees arms and

20:17

legs and stuff like that. And then she's

20:19

like, Oh, I can't watch this. This is

20:21

so gross and everything. So

20:23

an Earl who describes

20:26

it at the end, he's like, wow, he looked like

20:28

he enjoyed it. It looked like he even wanted to

20:30

have a cigarette. And,

20:35

uh, but Carol looks

20:37

at it and thinks, well, okay, he

20:39

obviously got the murder on the tape. I don't need

20:41

to watch the rest of this. And

20:43

so that that's where we leave that for

20:46

now. Sam comes over

20:48

to tell Carol who thinks Sam has killed

20:50

Barbara and that he's super excited about the

20:52

media coverage and the police attention this is

20:54

getting him because he thinks his wife is

20:57

going to be killed by the kidnappers. She

20:59

thinks that it's because he's got an

21:01

alibi. And I love how they just

21:03

keep on adding this what you know

21:05

and what you don't know type of

21:07

stuff to every character and every plot

21:10

point and everything. I just love that part. Um,

21:13

at the Kessler's they have Barbara kept in the

21:15

basement. She tries to escape once and they put

21:17

it, they eventually put an ankle chain on

21:19

her. She has a TV downstairs that she

21:21

plays workout programs on. This is as eighties

21:23

as it gets guys. This is as eighties

21:25

as it gets. They're watching these

21:28

workout programs on television, all those like,

21:30

you know, all these little exercises and

21:32

crap. My God, it takes your straight

21:34

back to the eighties when you see

21:36

this. But there's all these workout programs.

21:38

And so she decides,

21:41

well, she's going to be down here anyway. She

21:44

might as well start this fitness regimen while

21:46

she's being held captain, a

21:48

captive. And so, um, we, um, this

21:50

is also the first mention she's, she's

21:52

reading a lot while she's down there.

21:54

This is the first mention of something

21:56

called the bedroom killer, which will come

21:58

in to factor later on. the movie.

22:01

Um, then on the day that Sam is

22:03

supposed to give the $500,000, he

22:05

doesn't show up. Sam has been

22:07

keeping, has, has sort of been keeping the

22:09

cops in the dark anytime that Ken calls

22:11

so that they don't know when the drops

22:14

are happening and, and he just,

22:16

it doesn't show up. He figures if he doesn't show

22:18

up, they'll just kill Barbara. And,

22:20

and of course, Ken doesn't. When we're

22:22

skipping ahead, we see that Ken works at

22:24

a stereo store where he is a really

22:26

honest salesman. Like it's funny. He's, he's really,

22:29

he's ready to screw over people who are

22:31

dicks. You can tell that, but

22:34

he only sells that stuff to the

22:36

people who really like, I guess they

22:38

feel insecure about themselves. Uh,

22:40

basically pointing to the fact that they

22:42

must have small dicks if they want

22:44

big, huge stereos that really don't have the

22:46

quality that they need and everything like

22:48

that. But you see that he's very honest

22:51

with people that he feels are

22:53

nice or whatever. And he tries to get the,

22:55

the, uh, the good stuff, uh, to, to

22:58

people. I, I love the scene later on

23:00

that they show him. This is, I think

23:02

this is judge Reinhold's biggest moment in the

23:04

movie where he's trying to sell the, the

23:07

one guy who's just like a rocker dude,

23:09

man. And he's just trying to, he's like,

23:11

he's like, well, come on into our big

23:13

room, man. And he's like, he's like, this

23:15

is the, this is the big stereo and

23:18

everything. He cranks up this rock and everything.

23:20

And he's like, and he's like, he's like,

23:22

oh, what, how can I fucking afford this

23:24

man? It's like, well, you can't fucking afford

23:27

it, man. Fucking finance. But

23:30

then, uh, the dude's

23:32

wife, pregnant wife comes in and he's

23:34

like, oh, well, wait a minute. Let

23:36

me actually sell you something. And

23:39

I think that's the, that is the conclusion of

23:42

that storyline that we're talking about. Like that is

23:44

the moment he decides, Nope, I'm actually not the

23:46

aggressive salesman monster ruthless person. I'm actually the nice

23:48

guy. And that's how I'm going to be. And

23:50

that's okay. So like, that's his character arc in

23:53

that moment. And I loved it too. It's one

23:55

of my favorite moments. Yeah. Um,

23:58

now Carol has sent the video. to

24:00

Sam who watches it and then

24:02

calls Carol. Now Sam, of course,

24:04

has watched a pornographic film, basically,

24:07

and he knows that Carol has

24:10

sent this to him and he's like, and

24:12

so Carol, who thinks it's a snuff tape,

24:15

Sam goes, I'm gonna do the same thing

24:18

to you. And, and,

24:21

and, and, and,

24:25

so Carol fearing for her life, decides

24:27

she needs to hide out and moves

24:29

in with Earl in his mobile home.

24:32

And there it's decided that they'll make a copy

24:34

of the tape and send it to the

24:36

chief of police, who is actually the subject on

24:38

the tape. Quickly, Sam explains to one of the

24:41

cops that he hates salesmen who dropped their

24:43

price. And then he gets a call from Ken

24:45

who does exactly that, dropping his price

24:47

from 500,000 to 50,000. Of

24:50

course, Sam does not pay. Carol,

24:54

who does not know the chief is on the tape,

24:57

calls the chief and tells him that if he

24:59

doesn't arrest Sam, she'll release the tape to the

25:01

press. The

25:03

chief who thinks Carol does know what's on

25:06

the tape, thinks this is a blackmail job.

25:08

So now he's prepared to do anything to

25:10

get Sam in trouble, including planting evidence. But

25:13

he tells the other cops to go

25:15

look for evidence and they actually find

25:17

chloroform that of course, we

25:19

go through early on in the

25:21

movie. And then compromising pictures of

25:23

Sam and Carol, and now they

25:25

have a motive for Sam

25:28

killing his wife and they take him in.

25:30

And so there's actually

25:33

real detective work going on behind the

25:35

scenes here. There's a forensics

25:37

team that has found out that they have

25:39

a match with the tire tracks of the

25:42

Kessler car outside the stone residence. And so

25:44

they go to see Ken at the stereo

25:46

shop and they're about to

25:48

question him about that. And they even present

25:50

him the evidence and he thinks he's screwed.

25:53

And Ken excuses himself to go to the bathroom

25:55

saying he's got the stomach flu. But while he

25:57

does that, one of the detectives gets a call.

26:00

call and the other cops

26:02

are saying, Hey, we found evidence that

26:04

Sam killed his wife. So they abandoned

26:06

the questioning and they come over to

26:08

the closed door where Ken is

26:11

supposedly like in the bathroom. And of course

26:13

he's got the stomach flu. He has gotten

26:16

stuck in a window trying to

26:18

escape the premises. And

26:21

he's making all these noises that

26:23

make the detective think that he's

26:25

just like really struggling in there

26:27

with the bathroom. And they

26:30

say, we don't need you anymore. We, we,

26:32

sorry guys, we're, we're leaving and whatever. And

26:34

they even leave and he's like still hanging

26:36

out of the window and everything when they

26:39

walk by and don't notice. Then, um, Ken

26:41

decides to reduce his price to $10,000 and

26:43

now Sam is openly asking what

26:47

the hell is wrong with him? Ken

26:49

makes Sam is just playing some extreme hardball,

26:51

but it's pretty clear Sam doesn't care about

26:53

his wife anymore. Um,

26:55

or has never cared

26:58

about his wife. Obviously. Uh,

27:00

now we cut to Barbara who has

27:02

gotten into some great shape. Uh,

27:05

Shin, this is leading to Sandy

27:07

actually giving, letting her try on

27:09

her designs and then Barbara

27:11

loves them and wants to market them.

27:13

They become friends. And this is

27:15

where Barbara asked what the holdup is with Sam

27:18

and the ransom. And Barbara finds out that Sam's

27:20

been a cheapskate. He's, he's $500,000. Doesn't

27:23

seem like too much. And then she

27:25

realizes it's been dropped to 50 and then

27:27

it's been dropped to 10. And,

27:29

uh, she says that we have been

27:31

kidnapped by Kmart. So, uh,

27:33

so we have, uh, Sam is in, Sam's in,

27:35

Sam's in jail. He, he makes bail with a

27:38

$700,000 bail. I

27:40

think, uh, I think it was purposely

27:42

just barely above the, uh, ransom amount.

27:44

So it shows how easily he would,

27:46

uh, he pays that money and everything.

27:48

But now he needs Barbara to be

27:51

alive because he's been implicated in a

27:53

murder. And he's all in the newspapers

27:55

and everything. So now he's willing to

27:57

negotiate. Sandy tells Ken that he let

27:59

Barbara go. Ken is told about the bedroom

28:01

killer by a cop. This is the most convenient part

28:03

of the movie. And

28:06

this is when the bedroom killer, of course,

28:08

makes an appearance, makes an appearance, and then

28:11

Barbara comes back to the residence. The three

28:13

of them end up accidentally hanging him down

28:15

the stairs, much like

28:17

Barbara did when she came to the

28:19

residence. This time the person dies. And

28:22

so they have the bedroom killer in

28:25

their basement, and he is dead. And

28:27

then they concoct a scheme using this

28:29

body. The newspaper is filling some more of

28:31

the story of what Sam's been doing behind

28:34

Barbara's back. She, along with the Kestlers, had

28:36

to plan to get the ransom, knowing that

28:38

the cops will be all over it once

28:40

it goes down. And so they call

28:42

Sam and pretend to torture Barbara over the phone

28:44

using a sizzling sound effect on a frying pan,

28:48

like pressing a spatula down on a hamburger or

28:50

a steak or something like that. I hope that

28:52

burger didn't go to waste. Yeah, I

28:54

know. I know. Exactly. I was thinking the same

28:56

thing. I was thinking the same thing. The new

28:59

figure, by the way, is $2 million.

29:02

That's how high this

29:04

has skyrocketed at this point. Carol,

29:08

once again, calls the chief of police.

29:10

I love this other phone conversation, too,

29:12

because all the things that they say

29:14

to each other just when you realize

29:17

what one thinks about the videotape and

29:19

everything, the usual misunderstandings ensue on this.

29:21

I love this. But this time, Carol's

29:24

like, why is the chief

29:26

being so stupid? They've got evidence

29:29

of Sam killing his wife on a tape,

29:31

and they're like, they let him go on

29:33

bail? What is going on with this thing?

29:35

So they're like, oh, here's

29:37

a good idea. Let's go to an

29:39

electronics store and pop in this tape

29:41

in public and put it on

29:44

all these multiple screens going on

29:46

in the store and everything. And

29:48

that's when they realize, oh, this

29:50

is not a murder. This is

29:52

just a dude, boinking a prostitute

29:55

in the car. And I love the

29:57

fact that there's just this random sound.

30:00

bit. That's my

30:02

husband in the

30:05

background. So

30:07

the plan is for Carol to send Earl

30:10

to go kidnap to go kill

30:12

or to go to go rob

30:14

him when he goes to get

30:17

the rest. So

30:19

Barbara calls Sam on a pay phone. She's

30:21

seeing everything from her vantage point. She

30:24

manages to squeeze even more out of him.

30:26

This is like saying the kidnappers want the

30:28

gold Rolex and the ring worth. And I

30:30

think it's an additional 200 K that they

30:32

put in this briefcase. Ken comes

30:35

to take the briefcase, but the cops are all over the

30:37

place. Ken tells the cops that

30:39

he'll kill Barbara if they do anything. So they back

30:41

off. Now Earl's dumb ass shows

30:43

up to steal the money. Earl

30:46

ends up actually getting arrested. This is

30:48

a great scene because Earl doesn't believe

30:50

there's cops anywhere. And then gunshots start

30:53

happening and he thinks that Ken's doing

30:55

it, but Ken doesn't have a gun.

31:00

But he gets arrested. So Ken gets

31:02

in the car, cops follow him. Ken

31:04

appears to get cornered. He's going to

31:06

this pier and he's like, all right,

31:08

he has nowhere else to go. And he crashes into the

31:11

ocean and the car sinks a little bit of

31:13

money even appears on the surface, which a bunch of

31:15

randos try to die for. And so the cops end

31:17

up doing this excavation type thing. They take a body

31:19

out of the ocean with a clown outfit that Ken

31:22

was wearing when he was doing the stick

31:24

up thing. And it turns out to be the

31:26

bedroom killer in the, in the

31:28

clown outfit. And they found, they found their

31:31

man. The cops also only recover a few

31:33

thousand bucks out of the water. Sam

31:36

thinks Barbara will finally get killed, but then

31:38

Barbara surprisingly shows up. The cops

31:40

think Barbara's been released and she identifies with

31:42

100% certainty that that

31:44

was the kidnapper of the bedroom killer. She

31:47

then beats the shit out of Sam while

31:49

the detectives walk away with a job well

31:51

done. I love

31:55

this. I think you can see some, some

31:57

flourishes of the Zucker brothers and Jim Abrams

31:59

and this. with the phone

32:01

calls, the split screen phone calls,

32:04

with the misunderstandings, and this thing going on

32:06

in the background where Barbara is beating the

32:08

shit out of Sam while the

32:10

cops go like, ew, job well done. This

32:12

is the most rewarding job ever, blah, blah,

32:14

blah. This movie

32:17

ends with Sandy on a beach somewhere

32:19

and Ken shows up in diving gear

32:21

with the briefcase. Barbara quickly

32:23

joins them in the foreshadowing of her upcoming

32:26

movie, Beaches. And that is the movie, Ruthless

32:28

People. What did you guys think? You wanna

32:30

go first, Aaron, or me? Sure, no, I

32:32

can go first. I'm not sure

32:34

I've ever seen this movie before. I

32:37

thought I had, and maybe I've just seen pieces

32:39

of it, but it's one of those experiences where,

32:41

and I guess we're good night,

32:43

almost 40 years from when this movie came

32:45

out. I

32:48

will not, sir. But

32:51

yeah, so it's been a while.

32:55

Man, this movie is so

32:57

comedically intricate, and I love

32:59

that. Structurally, it's so well

33:02

done. It relies on the

33:05

beauty of convenience, like

33:07

the police chief just happens to

33:09

be the person who gets filmed,

33:11

whatever happens, and then it relies

33:13

on so many, probably the best

33:16

example of double talk, I've seen

33:18

in a movie ever where there

33:20

are so many conversations when one

33:22

person is talking about one thing,

33:25

and another person is talking about something completely

33:27

different, but they're both making complete sense to

33:29

each other, but completely

33:31

missing that they're on two

33:34

different wavelengths. Even down to the, you were

33:36

mentioning the police walking away at the end.

33:38

Right down to that, where the policeman turns

33:40

to the other one, and he's like, you

33:42

know, I hope after 15 years of marriage

33:44

art, I have that much passion left in

33:46

my marriage, or whatever, it's like completely misunderstanding

33:49

what's going on on the

33:51

pier. And I just think

33:53

that to me, there's an intelligence there that

33:56

makes the comedy even better. I really,

33:58

really enjoy that. I

34:00

also think Bette Midler is just next

34:02

level in this movie. She is so

34:04

funny. You mentioned a

34:07

lot of my favorite lines, but one that you mentioned is,

34:10

I've been kidnapped by Kmart. Her

34:12

delivery on that line is so

34:14

perfect. And got

34:17

a big laugh in the room. And I just,

34:19

I just think she's really, really,

34:21

really funny in this movie. I

34:25

also wanted to talk about

34:28

how stupid Bill Pullman's character

34:30

is and how the movie is able

34:32

to pull this off. It's

34:35

almost Homer Simpson level of

34:38

like absolute obliviousness. And

34:41

yet somehow you still feel like this

34:43

is a human being in this movie.

34:46

The way he idolizes

34:48

Miami Vice, which is really, really interesting.

34:51

Like he wears the white suit and

34:53

the pink shirt at one point. His

34:55

fish are named Crockett and Tubbs. I

34:57

think what's funny is he's

34:59

only kind of sad. He's like, oh,

35:01

Crockett and Tubbs. What's

35:07

interesting to me is, is I looked it up.

35:09

Miami Vice had only been on the air like

35:11

two years when this movie came out. Like when

35:13

they were making this movie, it was a brand

35:15

new show. Like it's, it's

35:17

wild to think, you know, because

35:20

in hindsight, like it became this,

35:22

you know, huge, I think it ran for,

35:24

you know, five years and became this big

35:26

thing and, you know, really entered the zeitgeist.

35:28

But, you know, what an interesting character trait

35:31

to put on somebody for a show that

35:33

just started. And then to

35:35

have it, you know, age that well. My

35:38

son was amazed by the mansion and

35:40

how eighties it was. He

35:42

was like, this is the coolest house I've ever

35:44

seen. I was like, well,

35:46

I guess, I guess 80s style is

35:49

now cool again or something. But it

35:51

was, it was, it was wild just

35:53

to, just to remember how pastel the

35:55

eighties were and how wild it was.

35:57

There's one point where Danny DeVito sits.

35:59

down on one of the chairs and

36:01

like tries to lean back and

36:04

just ends up like reclining completely

36:06

vertical on this chair because the

36:08

chairs weren't designed for any ergonomic

36:10

reason they didn't look weird so

36:14

yeah no I have plenty more I could say but

36:16

I'll let Jeremy talk for a little bit I had

36:18

I had a lot of fun with this movie this

36:20

was a fun number one note is

36:23

God I love 80s movies that open with

36:25

these drums the semi-electronic

36:28

sounding like when those drums kicked

36:30

in that was an endorphin rush

36:32

for me I felt like there

36:34

were about seven eighties movies about

36:36

to start playing that

36:39

I loved that that immediately

36:42

took me back I'm

36:44

Mick Jagger of all things too it was

36:46

very strange to hear that I

36:49

think Midler's the star here far and

36:51

away and I think that one of

36:53

the things that makes her an exceptional

36:56

actor in

36:58

our history along with DeVito is willingness

37:00

to play terrible people and just embrace

37:03

like a lot of today's stars would

37:05

be like I don't want to play

37:07

somebody that icky I don't want to

37:09

play somebody that in the 80s there

37:11

was a lot more of this like

37:13

playing bad guys for comedy's sake was

37:15

a lot more common but movies

37:18

biggest the biggest regret I have

37:20

is that we only get one super brief

37:22

scene with Midler and DeVito if

37:25

we could somehow have gotten the

37:27

scene earlier maybe before

37:29

the plots kick in where they could

37:31

go at each other and just fight

37:34

and be mean again

37:37

I hadn't I had not seen this since the 80s

37:39

so it was basically like a completely

37:41

new watch and I the whole time I kept hoping I

37:43

put them together in a scene I hope they put them

37:46

together in the scene I

37:48

really loved the morgue scene where

37:52

especially the way the joke beats

37:54

play out where the doctor

37:56

pulls back the sheet we cut to

37:58

DeVito very casually goes that's not

38:00

her and then we show the body and

38:03

it's a black man. I

38:07

knew the police chief

38:12

being the guy on the tape reveal

38:14

was coming but his facial expression when

38:16

it happened is so good I could

38:19

not stop laughing. I think it's the

38:21

single best like moment of the movie

38:23

that reveal because it's held so

38:25

perfectly for that moment. If you're watching

38:27

the movie for the first time that

38:29

moment is a drop dead gotcha moment. It's

38:32

so good. Oh yeah. A couple

38:34

lines that I loved that I

38:36

love early on DeVito's line reading

38:38

of I hate the way she licks

38:41

stamps. My favorite

38:43

line ever. It's just

38:46

so ridiculous. I love

38:48

the line. Judge

38:50

Reinhold says after his wife

38:52

is trying to explain no Bette Midler's changed and he

38:54

goes she changed what did she do have an exorcism.

38:57

A lot of really good

39:01

dialogue in this. My

39:03

last note here is I love I don't

39:05

know why but that last moment on the

39:08

beach where the music's kicking in we cannot

39:10

hear them and they're walking

39:12

away and Bette Midler does this little pantomime

39:14

of kicking DeVito off the pier like she

39:17

keeps the action. I

39:19

just thought it was freaking adorable. So yeah

39:22

I really really enjoyed this

39:25

time through the movie. I do

39:27

think Midler and Pullman end up

39:29

stealing the whole thing though. Yeah

39:31

for sure. And to

39:34

address something you said Dicer I think what

39:36

you're saying because the chat we

39:38

had flyboy say Miami Vice was a

39:40

phenomenon right out of the gate. I think you're

39:43

acknowledging that. Yes. The fact is that it's

39:45

been a year. It could be a Twin

39:48

Peaks type of thing where it's done after

39:50

the second season. It

39:52

expended all of its energy in that first season

39:54

and then it was you know second season

39:56

it could be a stupid joke. Of course

39:58

even if it is a stupid joke. joke by that time.

40:01

It still works, I think. I think people would

40:03

know what's going on, but it wouldn't have aged

40:05

as well if Miami Vice hadn't lasted as long

40:07

as it did. Right. I was trying to think

40:10

of a contemporary example of somebody putting something in

40:12

a comedy like a character owned by a show.

40:14

It would have been maybe the year after Game

40:16

of Thrones come out. One of the characters is

40:19

super into Game of Thrones or whatever and is

40:21

dressing like a dothraki or something. That was a

40:23

behemoth right out of the gate too.

40:27

It makes sense contextually in the time,

40:29

but the fact that it makes sense 40 years

40:32

later was not something I think they could have

40:34

known for sure would have been the case. And

40:39

yeah, the discussion about Bette

40:41

Midler's character being really hateful

40:44

at the beginning is annoying,

40:46

very annoying. You understand

40:48

where Dany DeVito is coming from as

40:50

soon as ... Because she

40:52

is just an absolute firecracker this whole time,

40:55

but it seems like she's always like

40:57

this, but you see a lot of depth in

41:00

her by the end of this.

41:02

And yes, by the end of it, she's taken

41:06

over on this movie and

41:08

she becomes extremely memorable and great.

41:11

There's a trivia item

41:13

in the IMDB that says that

41:16

I think first Dany DeVito called Bette

41:18

Midler or Bette Midler called Dany DeVito.

41:20

I can't remember which one. And

41:23

congratulated her on

41:26

the movie. And then like 10 minutes later

41:28

said something like, oh, this movie is terrible.

41:30

It's not going to do anything. And this

41:32

movie ended up being a hit in 1986.

41:34

It was ninth, I

41:38

believe domestically and ended

41:40

up making like 72 to 80 million

41:42

dollars somewhere around there. And

41:45

I had forgotten that this was

41:48

actually a hit back in the day, but the

41:51

reason why I picked it was I don't feel

41:53

like we talk about it very often anymore.

41:56

And, but it's like

41:58

a masterclass, I think in plotting. and

42:01

doing the farcical kind of

42:03

things where people know certain things that other

42:05

people don't know. Like

42:07

you said, they're talking two different

42:09

languages essentially, but they're understanding each

42:12

other at the same time. It's

42:14

beautiful. Yeah. So

42:18

I just, I watch this movie and

42:20

I'm amazed that it's not

42:22

a bigger phenomenon. And I'm trying to figure

42:24

out what, and I think maybe it's the

42:26

fact that it's not full parody.

42:30

So it's like farce, like it's on

42:32

that line between like comedic farce and

42:35

like full parody. And I think because

42:37

Zucker Abrams Zucker is so known for

42:39

like the full parody kind of stuff

42:42

that maybe this one just gets lost in the shuffle.

42:45

I don't know. I had a couple of thoughts. Is

42:48

Helen Slater like a genuine like

42:51

missed career? Like she's really good

42:53

in this and believable. And

42:56

like I know she did, what was I looked it

42:58

up. She did like the secret of my

43:00

success, I think the next year. And

43:02

pretty much just before that, Supergirl was

43:04

like supposed to be big. It

43:07

was a, I think it was a tremendous bomb,

43:09

but a lot of people who

43:11

grew up in this era knew her

43:13

as Supergirl. And then she even got

43:15

cast in Seinfeld later because I think

43:18

because Seinfeld loved her so much as

43:20

Supergirl. But anyway, yeah, she was great.

43:23

I wonder if like, honestly, my wife

43:25

and I thought it was Meg Ryan, the

43:27

first moment she appeared on screen. I

43:30

don't know if it was like that

43:32

era, Linda Hamilton too. I

43:35

was actually tried to look up

43:37

and see if they like played sisters

43:40

in a movie or something. Who grew

43:42

up in this era and knew her

43:44

as Supergirl. And then she even got

43:46

cast in Seinfeld later because I think

43:48

because Seinfeld loved her so much as

43:50

Supergirl. But anyway, yeah. I think so.

43:53

I wonder if like, honestly, my wife

43:55

and I thought it was Meg Ryan. Oh,

43:57

yeah. She looks a little like. like

44:00

Meg Ryan, especially when she- He also looked like that

44:02

era Linda Hamilton too. I

44:04

was- Yeah. I was, I

44:07

actually tried to look up and see if

44:09

they like played sisters in a movie or

44:11

something. Oh wow. I went to the IMDB

44:13

collaborations thing and now they've never been in

44:16

anything together. But yeah, I think so. I

44:18

think she definitely was on that career path

44:20

where she could have been a lot bigger

44:23

during that time. So- The

44:26

only, there were a couple of other quotes I wanted

44:28

to mention. One of them is because it's a series

44:31

of lines that just laid me because

44:33

there's some real insight that this movie is giving

44:35

to. It's when the

44:37

guy falls in and the crowd is like,

44:39

someone help him, he'll drown. And then

44:41

somebody's like, the water's way too cold. And

44:44

then somebody's like, there's like, rip ties out

44:46

there. And then somebody's like, I've even

44:48

seen sharks. And then somebody goes, look, that's

44:50

money. And everybody just comes in. Hi you.

44:54

Yes. Yes. So good.

44:56

Oh my God. You're like, I'm a

44:58

commentary. I don't think, all these excuses

45:01

for not saving someone's life, but a

45:03

green rectangle appears on the surface and

45:05

everybody's like, great Louganis all of a

45:07

sudden. Amazing. And

45:10

then I think we could give a little more love

45:12

as well to Judge Reinhold who I think has some

45:14

great deliveries in this movie too. And

45:16

the one that got me was after

45:19

she's telling him the old cliche, one of

45:21

the ways, 80s movies haven't

45:24

always aged well, but the cliche of what happens when

45:26

you go to prison. And

45:29

after she's done with that whole rant, Judge Reinhold

45:31

goes, you're very good at this. You should write

45:33

children's books. His

45:37

delivery on it is so good. Man, this movie

45:39

made me laugh a lot. This is a really

45:41

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45:43

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45:45

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48:00

very, very quiet secret. What secret? A

48:02

dirty little secret. I tell you something

48:04

I've never told anyone. You

48:09

wanna go first, Darren? I've been talking a bit.

48:11

Why don't you go, Jeremy? All right. Well, before I

48:13

go, I want to I want to point out that

48:16

way up in the chat earlier when we were talking

48:18

about it. Apparently that burger they were sizzling was

48:21

a tofu burger. I missed that. It

48:23

did not look like a tofu burger. It looked

48:26

like a burger and whatever they called it. That

48:28

was a burger. Okay. So

48:30

my super secret double feature. I

48:33

actually for the first time in weeks had

48:36

too many ideas to choose from. Many

48:38

that I thought are good tonal

48:40

matches. I was looking for communication

48:44

misunderstandings. I was looking for

48:47

really, really inept people being part of a

48:49

caper. So what I came

48:51

down on was burn after reading. Yeah,

48:54

good choice. Another spread pit

48:57

in a very hilarious turn believes that

48:59

he has stumbled across CIA secrets when

49:02

it's really just a former CIA agents

49:04

memoir and he

49:06

calls him to blackmail him and

49:08

hijinks ensue. Thinks he might

49:10

be worried about your shit.

49:16

So yeah, that is a movie

49:18

that I've seen two or three times that

49:20

I think would just match up tonally really,

49:22

really well. Burn

49:24

after reading. I had a couple thoughts.

49:26

I almost landed a dirty rotten scoundrels. I think

49:28

feels a lot like this movie. There's

49:30

a lot of the same kind of things but

49:33

I eventually went with a bigger cast

49:35

that I feels like kind of has more of the ins

49:37

and outs in the comedy. I eventually went with a fish

49:39

called Wanda for

49:41

a nice double feature with the ruthless people.

49:43

Lots of great misunderstandings here. Lots

49:46

of fun characters. Lots

49:48

of interesting, you know, things

49:50

going on with people who are pretending to like each

49:52

other. But don't like each other. So

49:54

yeah, there's there's a lot of nice little parallels and fish

49:56

called Wanda that I think would make it a good double

49:59

fan. And was was definitely. considered to

50:01

be this movie this this week. Oh,

50:03

this record, right? Yeah, then

50:05

this was a great choice. Yeah. Alright,

50:07

I believe,

50:09

is it Aaron next? It's Aaron, right? Yeah.

50:12

I didn't press anything. What is your movie

50:14

watching for next week? In

50:17

an attempt to steal Chris's comedy choice

50:19

from the aughts. No,

50:21

not an attempt. I actually just love this movie. I think

50:23

it would be a fun one to go over and

50:26

you know, eventually I have to pick a movie that doesn't

50:28

make people cry. I am

50:30

going to go with hot fuzz

50:32

for the record. Next

50:35

week. We want to talk about a movie with

50:37

detail in the comedy. Yeah.

50:41

So we'll do some back-to-back comedy and and chat a

50:43

little bit about hot fuzz next week. That means I'm

50:45

gonna have to like punch people in

50:48

the gut. I'm gonna have to break hearts.

50:51

Looks like hot fuzz is available on

50:53

Amazon Prime right now in America. Somebody

50:56

always knows what's going on in Canada in the

50:59

chat so you can check there for your Canadian

51:01

needs. People

51:03

in the gut. Yeah, hear me. Am I

51:05

recommending a movie you don't want to watch

51:08

again? Is that is that what I'm understanding?

51:10

Like you don't like this movie? You're understanding.

51:12

I'm communicating poorly. Chris just gave us a

51:14

comedy that was glorious. You're giving us a

51:16

comedy that's glorious by feeling it's my duty

51:18

to the most. You have to give the gut

51:20

much more. Alex movie. Got it. I'm gonna have

51:22

to pick something that is devastating. Yeah, humans in

51:25

a feed two weeks from now. There

51:27

you go. We have time for a couple questions.

51:29

Yeah, I think so. I'm

51:36

listening. All right. Jeremy

51:39

get your shit together. What is

51:41

a crossover you would love to

51:43

see happen? Thought of this after

51:45

watching the Super Troopers Starship Troopers

51:47

Photoshop. After seeing the Photoshop. I

51:50

always thought it would be fun to marry

51:53

gremlins with the purge. So

52:00

like, you know, both

52:03

of these movies focus

52:05

on midnight as a sort

52:08

of a time barrier thing. And

52:10

of course, I think it would be awesome if, you

52:13

know, somebody who

52:15

owns a little gizmo or

52:17

whatever puts water

52:19

on it and feeds the stuff after

52:21

midnight and a bunch of gremlins pop

52:23

up after once the purge is announced.

52:26

So then everybody comes out to do

52:28

their purging, but guess what? They got

52:30

to deal with the fucking gremlins now.

52:33

And that puts a whole bunch of, you

52:35

know, monkey wrenches into the whole plan

52:38

and everything. And I think it would

52:40

be hilarious. I

52:44

went with combining the universes of

52:46

Lion King, the Lion King, and

52:48

Planet of the Apes. And

52:51

just with the understanding that not only

52:54

did the Apes find sentience, but the

52:56

Lions did as well, and to

52:58

realize that the Lion King world is our

53:00

world just in the future where the animals

53:02

are the sentient ones. It would revolve

53:04

around, of course, these two ecosystems

53:08

meeting together and fighting some sort of

53:10

war for dominance. So

53:13

yeah, it'd be a war movie of

53:15

some sort. I've flirted hard with just

53:17

a completely random answer like Nixon and

53:20

Flash Gordon. But

53:22

I ended up going with something I genuinely would want

53:24

to see, and I'm ashamed about it, but

53:26

G.I. Joe and Transformers. I think there

53:29

was originally maybe even a plan to

53:31

do this. Oh, yeah, the

53:33

seed has been planted. And

53:36

growing up, those were the two cartoons that

53:38

were on constantly when I got home from

53:40

school. So that would very much

53:42

hit me in the nostalgia wheelhouse. Even

53:46

though they really haven't made a good

53:49

Transformers or G.I. Joe movie, you know?

53:53

Maybe by putting them together, they could...

53:56

I see that Slab is sending us all to

53:58

hell by combining alien and passion of the... Christ

54:00

in chat. Yep.

54:03

Predator and the most dangerous game from

54:05

Josh. Oh, yeah. Um,

54:07

oh, go bots and Transformers. Let's get one

54:10

too. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For sure. Um,

54:12

time for one more, I guess. Yeah.

54:14

Let's do one more. I think we need one more. What's

54:17

a movie you thought was huge only

54:19

to realize it was only huge in

54:21

your household. Um, you know, I

54:23

don't know if I, if like the entire

54:25

family thought this was a big movie, but

54:27

back in the eighties, when I used to,

54:29

when we first got HBO and there would

54:31

be all these movies that would play, I

54:33

thought that some of the stuff was like

54:35

some of the biggest hits ever. So like

54:38

the last starfighter used to play a bunch

54:40

on HBO back in this day. And I

54:42

used to watch the last starfighter a bunch.

54:44

I don't remember anything about the movie

54:47

now to this day. Like it's been

54:49

since 1987 or whatever, since I've seen

54:51

that movie. But, um, but

54:54

I remember thinking the last starfighter was one of

54:56

the biggest hits that had ever come out and

54:58

then you find out later it was not, it

55:01

was not one of the biggest hits ever. So,

55:03

uh, that's, that's, that's one. I even thought the

55:05

never ending story was a really big hit and

55:07

it was only a mild hit

55:09

back in the day. So a lot of the stuff

55:11

that came out on HBO, I thought they were huge,

55:13

but that one in particular. I

55:15

think, you know, growing up, I

55:17

was aware that a lot of my media was

55:20

sanctioned off. Like I was huge in the, the,

55:22

the Christian subculture bubble. So I knew things that

55:24

like I watched, like, I don't Jeremy, if you

55:27

ever saw this, but there was a musical called

55:29

sneakers that like, you know,

55:31

everybody knew or whatever, but I was aware

55:33

that like, that wasn't like a big deal,

55:35

uh, in the big world.

55:38

So when I would see like mainstream movies,

55:40

I think, Oh, everybody knows these movies. Um,

55:43

uh, one of those was a flight in the

55:45

navigator was one. I was just like that, you

55:47

know, everybody has to know that movie and it

55:49

has to be huge. But the one I think

55:51

best fits this category for me is swing kids.

55:53

I thought swing kids must've been the biggest hit

55:55

of all time. The thing made no money. Nobody

55:58

really cared about it. It wasn't even. you

56:00

know, reviewed well, but I just

56:02

thought like, man, Robert Sean Leonard and Christian

56:04

Bale and like, you know, uh, it's

56:07

Nazis and Kenneth Branagh, because apparently

56:09

he just does Nazi stuff. That's

56:11

what he does. Um,

56:13

so yeah, swing kids is probably my answer for

56:15

this one. I mean, similarly

56:18

to you, I mean, the

56:20

answer to this is just going to be what we

56:22

watched the most growing up before we really got cultured.

56:25

Uh, and I was in the Christian bubble.

56:27

So I saw movies like Jesus of Nazareth,

56:30

which was actually a mini series. But I

56:32

remember in school later, somebody

56:34

talking about Olivia Hussie and me

56:36

referencing Jesus of Nazareth and being

56:38

laughed at for not referencing, uh,

56:41

what was it? Romeo and Juliet or I

56:43

think she was in something else too. Camelot.

56:45

Um, I was

56:48

running Juliet was the big one. That amazing

56:50

grace and chalk movie. I don't know if

56:52

you guys ever saw that movie. Yeah. Yeah.

56:54

You watched that movie a lot and none

56:57

of my peers do what the hell I was

56:59

talking about with regard to that. But personally, and

57:01

I've talked about this before, probably the biggest answer

57:03

for me would be candle shoe, which is this

57:05

Jodie Walton Disney adventure, which we'd big recommended on

57:07

this show. I think while Chris was

57:09

out, um, and it

57:12

holds up pretty well, but it was not

57:14

a major hit and nobody my age that

57:16

I knew watched it. And I still watched

57:18

it like a hundred times. I watched over

57:20

and over and over. So,

57:23

um, over in the chat, we've got cloak and dagger, which

57:25

is another one that I considered by the way, it was

57:27

another one that I used to see a bunch back in

57:30

the eighties. Um, uh, and I

57:32

actually do remember that one. I watched that one

57:34

a ton or whatever. That's not my name. So

57:36

it's never ending story was definitely hit. I don't

57:38

know. 20 million it made in the, even in

57:40

the eighties, it feels like it's on the lower

57:42

end or at least just a mid range hit,

57:44

not a huge hit. Um, but,

57:47

uh, let's see, um, princess bride. Yeah,

57:49

that's a good one. Princess bride was

57:51

another, that's a famously didn't do well in

57:53

theaters. It took, it took about

57:55

five years for that movie to be

57:57

picked up on VHS and everything. That's

58:00

about the time where I watched it was 1992 around

58:02

that area. Um,

58:06

uh, fly boys is the man in the gray

58:08

flannel suit with Gregory Peck, uh,

58:11

little princess secret garden secret of the

58:13

road, Ronin ish. I think I'm saying

58:15

some of that wrong. Uh, but I

58:17

remember little princess and secret garden are

58:19

fantastic movies that nobody ever talks about.

58:21

I found the Quarlin did little princess.

58:24

Uh, it's a really, really good movie. Um,

58:27

and, uh, let's see what else. Oh

58:29

yeah. Explorers from the 80. That's another

58:31

big one. So,

58:34

um, so there you go. Um,

58:37

well, there you go. But some

58:39

good questions and, uh, and

58:41

everything. Uh, so this is going to wrap up

58:44

the show. Hey guys, chat. Thank

58:46

you so much for coming out. Once again, uh,

58:48

uh, always bring it. I love it. I love

58:51

it. I love it. I love you guys. And

58:53

I love you guys. I love you guys. You

58:55

too guys. So much. I bumped my mic. Uh,

58:58

it's absolutely next week will be hot fuzz.

59:00

Can't wait to talk about that. That movie

59:02

is insanely good. Uh, but, uh,

59:04

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59:06

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59:32

T O P I a at cinema

59:34

sins.com. I

59:43

was sending my wife a text this morning. A text. A

59:45

text. Okay. And, uh, I put

59:47

a smiley emoji at the end. Um,

59:50

in the history of our phones and marriage

59:52

that has always been that little

59:55

smiley, just a little bigger than like

59:58

a capital text letter. Right. Today,

1:00:01

the emoji took up half my phone

1:00:03

screen. So I immediately texted again

1:00:05

saying, Holy fuck, why is that emoji so huge?

1:00:07

She was like, I don't know what's going on.

1:00:10

Do we need to talk about the Super Bowl? We

1:00:13

don't need to, but I mean, I flipped over the golf.

1:00:17

The golf tournament was insane because of bad weather.

1:00:19

So they ended up playing like 30 holes on

1:00:22

Sunday and it went well into the night. And

1:00:24

so I ended up flipping over to watch the

1:00:26

playoff of the golf and then

1:00:28

flip back to the game when that was

1:00:30

over. I'm pretty sure I had seen that

1:00:32

Phoenix open stuff before and I was about

1:00:34

to like text you or

1:00:37

slacky or something and go, what the fuck

1:00:39

is the deal with this golf tournament? It's

1:00:41

amazing. Because I

1:00:44

didn't remember. I knew I had

1:00:46

seen something like this before, but

1:00:49

I was at a poker thing and they

1:00:51

had this on and it was like all

1:00:53

these people are cheering all over the place.

1:00:55

And like, it seems like they're on the

1:00:57

same hole at all times. And like, and

1:01:00

then I was just like, I was just about to go,

1:01:02

what's the deal with this tournament? What's going on with this

1:01:04

thing? I have no idea what's going on. Is it 15?

1:01:07

Is it? I forget which hole it

1:01:10

is. 16, 16. What you saw Chris

1:01:12

was two years ago, a guy got

1:01:14

a hole in one and I sent

1:01:16

you guys on Slack video of throwing

1:01:18

beer cans. They like anything. Hell of

1:01:20

a green. It

1:01:23

was bad. And so they switched to like plastic

1:01:25

cups after that. It is always for 20 years.

1:01:28

It's been a rowdy tournament, the tournament where

1:01:30

you can get rowdy and loud. But

1:01:33

this year it finally went too far

1:01:36

because both a bunch of

1:01:38

weather delays. And then

1:01:40

because there were Saturday and Sunday were super long days

1:01:42

of golf with 20, 30 holes of

1:01:44

golf being played, people just got over

1:01:46

surf. So they were waiting. And so

1:01:49

people started like screaming during people's back

1:01:51

swings. And that's why there's video

1:01:53

of Billy Horshel, like cussing at those guys

1:01:55

saying, I'm doing my fucking job. And

1:01:58

then a couple of pros. are like, I'm

1:02:00

never going back to this tournament. Uh,

1:02:02

I don't know, man, like one

1:02:06

tournament out of the year where this happens,

1:02:08

you don't expect this type of thing to

1:02:10

happen. I mean, I know that going to

1:02:12

a backswing is a dick move, but you

1:02:14

don't expect this type of thing to happen at

1:02:16

this point. You should really be prepared for that.

1:02:19

I say, I, I genuinely, I feel a little

1:02:21

bit different. I think anything

1:02:23

should go scream during the back squish, you

1:02:25

know, swing every like, we don't think people

1:02:27

are bad people for screaming during a free

1:02:30

throw attempt, you know what I mean? Like

1:02:32

it's, there's something about sports that's like, okay,

1:02:34

you have, it is different, but it's only

1:02:37

different because it's been different, right? And so

1:02:39

it's interesting to think of golf or tennis

1:02:41

or these like quiet sports as

1:02:43

like, what if the crowd was able just

1:02:46

to do whatever they want to affect the

1:02:48

play? How, you know, I mean, within reason you

1:02:50

can't go on the field or, you know, like

1:02:53

block a shot or whatever, but you have to

1:02:55

change the structure then, man, because everybody who missed

1:02:57

the cut, they lost money going to this tournament.

1:02:59

Right. If you play bad because of the crowd,

1:03:02

I'm just have to change the structure and not,

1:03:04

they're going to change a bunch. I'm sure by

1:03:06

next year, I bet. But yeah,

1:03:08

people just got too drunk and things went

1:03:11

overboard, but they have always been, I read

1:03:13

an article the other day, just running down

1:03:15

all the shit that's happened to, there was,

1:03:17

there've been a streakers there've been this year.

1:03:19

There was a guy in a kilt who ran onto the green

1:03:21

and this

1:03:25

year, lots of stories of hours

1:03:27

long bathroom lines and not enough

1:03:29

concessions, just got drunk and angry.

1:03:33

Why do, um, things

1:03:35

like this always drop the ball when

1:03:37

it comes to restrooms and water and

1:03:39

things like that? Why do they always

1:03:42

drop the ball on this? This is

1:03:44

like the only place, the

1:03:46

only place I've ever been that doesn't

1:03:48

is the masters and they're so rich.

1:03:50

They don't care. So they

1:03:52

just throw money at. So that's

1:03:54

a well oiled machine, but you're right. Every

1:03:56

other golf tournament, sporting event, concert that I've

1:03:58

ever been to. bathroom, some

1:04:00

water and concessions. It's always never enough.

1:04:04

Woodstock 99 or whatever that like the documentaries

1:04:06

recently came out about. And I mean, people

1:04:08

knew what was going on there, but to

1:04:10

just see it all laid out like that

1:04:12

was another one. That

1:04:15

was, that was, uh, yeah, they, they, they

1:04:17

didn't do a lot of things. Like,

1:04:21

I mean, maybe when in

1:04:23

my young twenties, I

1:04:26

might've thought something like this sounds

1:04:28

fun or like Bonnaroo. You tell

1:04:31

me about the Bonnaroo experience and

1:04:34

it sounds like hell. It sounds

1:04:36

like actual hell.

1:04:38

Nobody's showering. Uh,

1:04:41

everyone's on drugs. You're dirty.

1:04:43

You're intense. There's sweaty bodies

1:04:45

all around you. Nothing

1:04:48

about that sounds fun. I mean, I

1:04:50

hated, I mean, I enjoyed going to concerts

1:04:52

though when we had Starwood and whatever, and

1:04:54

it was the outdoor arena, but like, you

1:04:56

know, in the summer, it would be super

1:04:58

hot and I wouldn't want to, I mean,

1:05:00

after three hours, you're like, please get me

1:05:02

out of here at Bonnaroo. I mean, yeah,

1:05:05

I mean, I know you can like leave

1:05:07

whatever, but like, like

1:05:10

you're going to be there for whatever 12, 15

1:05:13

hours watching concerts and stuff.

1:05:16

And, and, you know, hoping to be

1:05:18

able to cool down somewhere. If, if

1:05:20

you were lucky enough to have a

1:05:22

tent or camper or something. Yeah. Sounds

1:05:26

like hell. I wouldn't want to do it now. Not

1:05:28

my thing. That was

1:05:30

the thing I went to, um,

1:05:33

ascend to watch, uh, Jimmy world

1:05:35

and Manchester orchestra. Wow.

1:05:38

Yeah, it was, it was good. They even,

1:05:40

uh, Jimmy world and Manchester orchestra even, uh,

1:05:43

combined or, or teamed up to

1:05:46

do each other's songs on an

1:05:48

album. So like, so

1:05:50

on one side it's Jimmy world doing a Manchester

1:05:52

orchestra song. And then the other side is Manchester.

1:05:56

And, uh, I bought a package. I bought

1:05:58

like some sort of. of VIP type

1:06:01

of package or whatever to get

1:06:03

the record and get some t-shirts

1:06:05

and all sorts of other stuff

1:06:07

when I went here. And

1:06:10

I figured you would go to the place

1:06:12

and they would just be like, oh, that,

1:06:14

oh, it's right over there. But

1:06:17

nobody at the venue knew what

1:06:19

the hell I was talking about.

1:06:21

It was like, I went, I

1:06:23

was talking to people that were like, oh yeah, that's over

1:06:25

there. And you went over, I had

1:06:27

to go out of the venue. I go

1:06:30

back to this one spot and then they

1:06:32

told me, no, that's not this. That's some

1:06:34

other thing. Then I had to go

1:06:36

back in and, you know, had

1:06:38

to go through the whole trouble of like, you've

1:06:40

already been in and you went out. Oh my

1:06:42

God, the horror. And

1:06:45

I'm like, yeah, I know. I was told I could do

1:06:47

this and the other thing and I would be able to

1:06:49

get back in. And they were like, oh,

1:06:52

okay. And then I

1:06:54

asked this other stand where it was

1:06:56

and they were like, I don't know.

1:06:59

And I don't know what eventually

1:07:01

happened. Somebody finally knew. I finally

1:07:03

found somebody who's like Mr. Ascend

1:07:06

and they were able to like point me

1:07:09

out to some table where they were set

1:07:11

up and it's at some other far entrance

1:07:14

in the thing. And

1:07:16

you would never have known it was there if

1:07:19

you didn't go through that one entrance. And it

1:07:21

doesn't say on the thing, come through this one

1:07:23

entrance to whatever. So it took forever

1:07:25

to get that thing. Yeah. You

1:07:27

probably felt like you were taking

1:07:30

crazy pills. Mm-hmm. I

1:07:32

did. Well, because nobody at the freaking

1:07:34

venue knew what was going on. Probably

1:07:36

follow on Twitter much. But

1:07:39

there was David Krumholz, who's our new best friend.

1:07:41

Right, right, right. I had a huge

1:07:43

thread yesterday that was a super entertaining

1:07:46

read and it's about,

1:07:49

it starts with filming Santa Claus 2 in

1:07:51

Vancouver. It rained

1:07:53

the whole time. And Tim

1:07:55

Allen's a huge star who had a hard out at

1:07:57

3 p.m. every day. All the kids, there were a

1:07:59

hundred. 100 kids and 100 moms on

1:08:01

set, they had a hard out at 3pm

1:08:04

and then Krumholz would film opposite tennis balls

1:08:06

on sticks. And

1:08:08

he's basically went into this great depression during

1:08:11

that time in his life. Then he flashes forward

1:08:14

several months later and Disney calls and says, hey,

1:08:16

we're going to fly you and two friends down

1:08:18

to Disney World to be in the Christmas parade

1:08:20

since you were in the Santa Claus 2 and

1:08:22

that's the theme this year for the parade. And

1:08:24

he's like, wicked. He was like,

1:08:26

so I took my friend and my weed dealer.

1:08:31

We didn't bring any weed, but we

1:08:33

brought a Vicodin. Basically,

1:08:35

the story is he's high out of his

1:08:38

mind and he goes into this place for

1:08:40

the Christmas parade the day

1:08:42

of and they had given them hotel rooms,

1:08:44

fast passes on all the rides the previous

1:08:46

days. And he shows up and they want

1:08:48

him to wear this Bernard costume, which

1:08:51

immediately gave him PTSD,

1:08:54

but also they didn't have

1:08:56

the wig or

1:08:58

one other part. They had the ears

1:09:01

and like the torso costume and he thought it

1:09:03

would be it was going to be incredibly stupid

1:09:05

to be half in costume and he didn't. Nobody

1:09:07

had told him about this. He called his agent.

1:09:09

They were like, no, they didn't tell me about

1:09:11

this. So we refused to put it on. And

1:09:15

so they do the parade and

1:09:17

he's in the carriage and Hilary Duff is

1:09:19

behind him lip syncing because she

1:09:21

did a song on the soundtrack. At

1:09:23

one point he turns around and smiled at her and she went,

1:09:26

what the fuck? And he was like, okay, don't look at Hilary

1:09:28

Duff anymore. The

1:09:31

whole of the parade and then they gather everybody up

1:09:34

because they're going to sing. We wish you a Merry

1:09:36

Christmas. But before they start singing,

1:09:38

they're just kind of mingling. And there's a

1:09:40

blue bear character in the Disney park who's

1:09:42

like eight feet tall and it's a character

1:09:44

in a suit.