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And how do you know that? Because you read your

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episode 100 and you'd think that

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oh we're gonna do something special

1:03

today. It's just a regular ass

1:05

episode. Nothing special. 100? What

1:08

does it mean? Doesn't mean anything. Just means 100

1:10

episodes. All it is. Just a number. All

1:13

right and joining us today are Erin

1:16

Dicer. Hidalios and Arenos. And

1:18

Jeremy Scott. Yes sir. And

1:21

usually as usual we have the

1:23

chat. The chat is

1:25

up and alive. Thank you so much for

1:27

coming out to watch

1:29

us talk about movies today. Does

1:31

anybody have any small recommends? There's

1:33

no big deal. It's

1:36

so small and light. It's small. It's tiny.

1:38

It's petite. It's weed. Jeremy

1:43

has small recommend. I've seen this movie

1:45

two days ago and it has kind

1:47

of haunted me. It's called Paper Spiders from

1:49

2020 and it

1:51

stars Stefania LaVie

1:53

Owen who my wife tells

1:56

me was in Sweet Tooth which is not a show

1:58

I've ever seen and she is. a

2:00

high school senior, Peyton

2:02

List, who you might know, plays her best

2:04

friend. Two Peyton Lists. There

2:07

are. I

2:09

don't know what Peyton List you're talking about,

2:11

but there's two of them. Well, she's both

2:14

prominent. Her name's Peyton. One of

2:16

them is the name. We can't have too much of Douglas's.

2:18

That's why we have a Michael Peyton. Thing

2:21

that, uh, think, um, uh, what was it? It was

2:23

one of the Suicide Squad or

2:25

Batman animated movies. Both of them

2:27

had voices on the, on the

2:29

movie. Oh, wow. So like

2:31

Peyton List, Peyton List. Okay.

2:34

So there is a Peyton List

2:36

in this movie. Um, Lily Taylor

2:38

plays, uh, the girl's mom and

2:40

the mom is slowly

2:43

having, um, delusional

2:46

paranoia. Um,

2:49

there's a conflict with the neighbor across the street early

2:51

in the movie. And that kind of sets her off

2:53

on a spiral by the end of the movie. She

2:56

believes the neighbor is tracking

2:58

them through their laptops and

3:01

going through their garbage. She starts living

3:03

in her car because she doesn't believe

3:06

it's safe. Like it's a real serious

3:08

mental health issue. There's not a very

3:10

common, um, illness compared

3:13

to something like depression or, uh,

3:15

anxiety, but the movie treats it

3:17

extremely seriously. Uh, there are

3:19

several moments of therapy type

3:21

conversations or straight up therapy. Um,

3:24

it's basically a coming of age high

3:27

school girl, um, drama. I

3:29

think it would be very comparable to Ladybird

3:32

or edge of 17. Um,

3:34

only throws in this wrinkle of,

3:36

and there's no other parents around. There's no other

3:39

siblings. It's just her and her

3:41

mom is who is slowly deteriorating

3:43

and she's still trying to do

3:45

stuff like go to prom and

3:47

graduate. Uh, but she's also got

3:50

to go to the homeless camp to take

3:52

her mom some food and things like that.

3:54

Um, I was really moved by it. Uh,

3:56

really solid performances. Um, it's

3:58

a hundred on rock. Tomatoes with

4:01

40-some reviews. It's on

4:03

stars. So if you have stars or have

4:05

premium subscriptions to places like Hulu or Roku

4:07

channel or Amazon Prime, you should be able

4:10

to find this movie. Max, because Ella is

4:12

also in it. Uh, just

4:14

a really solid film, uh, about, you

4:16

know, growing up and trying to become

4:18

an adult in the midst of having

4:20

to parent your deteriorating

4:22

parent. Lily Taylor is

4:24

fantastic. Yeah. She's always

4:26

been great. Nice. I'll have to check

4:29

that out. Um, not one I've ever seen. So

4:32

we'll, uh, we'll take a look. I've never heard of it.

4:34

So, well, my, uh, my

4:36

small recommend is likely been heard of and

4:38

seen by many, many people. I'm just now

4:41

getting around, uh, to watching the

4:43

last of the Mohican. Oh, wow. Nobody

4:46

find you. Um,

4:49

this movie is so good. Like,

4:51

and I, it took, it took me a few

4:53

minutes. Like it took me a few minutes to

4:56

get into, uh, like what

4:58

was going on, but I, I mean,

5:00

Daniel Day-Lewis is just so captivating and

5:02

whatever he does, he just like, he,

5:04

he has a gravitational pull to his

5:06

acting style that it's hard to imitate,

5:08

like there just aren't many actors that

5:10

can really pull that off. It's not

5:12

just charisma, like charisma. I can, like,

5:14

I have a better understanding of there's

5:16

something about the way he performs. That

5:19

just draws you in. Um, and

5:22

he's, he's, you know, doing that

5:24

here. Um, the momentum

5:26

of this movie is so

5:28

good. Uh, it just,

5:31

it just pulls you along. You're anticipating

5:33

every scene, what's going to happen. The

5:35

stakes are clear. You know what the

5:37

stakes are. You understand what the goal

5:39

is. So you're on board with, you

5:41

know, what's trying to, to be

5:43

done here. There's also something

5:45

that's, um, really, really

5:48

interesting, I think about fictional stories

5:50

set in real world happenings.

5:52

Like, you know, what's going on here, the,

5:54

the, the, the French Indian war, as it's

5:56

known, uh, is, is a

5:58

real thing. that happened in history

6:00

and there's some of these characters that are real characters in

6:02

history, but the

6:05

story is fiction. This is the same thing with Titanic,

6:07

right? Like the Titanic thing really happened, totally fictional story

6:09

at the center of what

6:11

we're watching. I really dig that.

6:13

I really think that's a real interesting way

6:15

to put us in historical events. I like

6:18

that more than I like what Tarantino does

6:20

with historical events. Right, right. Yeah,

6:22

he treats them as a time machine where he can change

6:25

history. Yeah, so I

6:29

really, really enjoyed this. Some

6:31

absolutely wonderful like

6:33

running chasing scenes in this movie where I'm

6:35

just like, let's go, go, go, you got

6:37

this. Like there's, I don't know,

6:39

there's action for action's sake and then there's action

6:42

where you're emotionally invested and this movie is the

6:44

latter. This is Michael Mann, right? Yeah,

6:46

yeah. It's war that drives

6:48

it for me. Yeah, music man. Yeah, go

6:51

ahead. Was that what you were going

6:53

to say? Everything you just said. I'm

6:55

sorry. That's fine. I was going to

6:57

say that it's a different Michael

7:00

Mann movie than anything he's known

7:02

for. Like that's a complete anomaly

7:05

and the score is phenomenal.

7:07

They used to use that music

7:09

in trailers all the time. Oh

7:12

yeah, there's also a great Seinfeld parody where he's on

7:14

the phone. He's like, stay alive, I will find you.

7:22

A friend of mine recommended a

7:24

movie called Dinner in America to

7:26

me that carved out some time

7:28

for and this

7:32

movie stars Kyle Goner who some

7:34

of you may know from Smile and one

7:36

of the recent screen movies and

7:39

he plays a guy named Simon

7:42

who is, he's definitely

7:46

like looking for money, but he's also on

7:48

the lamb. There's a $5,000 reward

7:51

for him and there's cops looking for

7:53

him everywhere. So we're following

7:55

his story, but there's also

7:57

this young girl who who

8:00

I think is played by like a 30 year

8:02

old woman, but she looks like a teenager. Emily

8:06

Skaggs plays Patty and she's a part

8:08

of this family that's very, I don't

8:10

know if you would call them Christian

8:12

or just, they're

8:15

just a little bit, they suppress

8:17

everything. So like, it's

8:19

one of those things where it's like, if

8:21

you say something just a little bit off the

8:24

father or

8:26

the mother's like, you're gonna have to tone it a little

8:28

bit down, okay? And stuff like that. And

8:33

her character, I don't know if

8:35

they ever come right out and

8:37

say she's autistic, but she definitely

8:39

doesn't, she can't

8:42

read people very well and she doesn't

8:44

know what certain things are and

8:46

things of that nature. But we

8:48

know that we're on a collision course

8:50

with these characters. The guy, Simon, who

8:54

is running away from the cops is

8:56

observed by Patty in a dark, not

8:58

a dark alley, but in

9:00

an alley somewhere while she's on break from work. And

9:03

a cop comes by and says, have you seen this

9:05

guy? And she says, no, I haven't seen him. And

9:08

then he immediately says, can I

9:11

go over to your house? Actually, he's not really

9:13

asking, he's saying, I wanna need to spend some

9:15

time at your house and lay

9:18

low for a while and all that

9:20

type of stuff. He is secretly, by

9:22

the way, a lead singer of a

9:25

small up and coming band. And he

9:27

uses the name John Q and he

9:29

wears a mask on stage. And

9:32

of course, Patty brings up

9:34

the fact that she loves

9:36

this band out of nowhere.

9:39

And she says that she wants to go

9:41

see them because they're opening for some band

9:43

called The Alliance or something like that. And

9:48

Simon hears this and goes, what?

9:51

No, they would never open for a band

9:53

like that. No, they would never do that.

9:57

Apparently his band has done

9:59

some wheeling. dealing while he's been gone,

10:02

where they're about to play a show

10:04

that he would never say yes to

10:06

and everything. And meanwhile, there's this

10:08

kind of a love story that builds and everything.

10:12

And if you ever start watching this movie, you're going to be

10:14

like, Chris, what the fuck movie did you

10:17

just try to put me on? It's

10:20

very over the top, right

10:22

at the beginning. And you think maybe this is the

10:24

way this whole movie is going to be. You know,

10:26

like it's going to be like a pain and gain

10:28

or something like that. That's just

10:31

turned up to 11 the entire

10:33

time. But once

10:35

this love story starts happening between

10:37

Simon and Patty, they

10:39

are magic together. And

10:43

it's such an unusual and unique story.

10:46

So yes, I would recommend this. I know

10:48

this is a big Jeremy movie. Jeremy would

10:50

love this. I know Aaron

10:52

would love it too. But

10:54

I feel like Jeremy would be big

10:56

into this. Interesting. All right.

10:58

I love it. I've got two recommends that

11:00

I haven't seen that I can go check

11:02

out. It's good stuff. That's what

11:05

this show is all about. It's so good. All

11:07

right. Well, the big recommend

11:09

is short term 12. And I'll

11:11

let Aaron take us away. I'm fine.

11:13

I'm fine. It's just that you're

11:15

so big. It's so huge. It's

11:18

a good role, but this is bigger than rules.

11:20

It's bigger on the inside.

11:22

Is it? Yeah. Let's take

11:24

a look at short term 12.

11:26

This is the directorial debut of

11:29

Destin Daniel Creighton. I'm

11:31

not sure exactly how his last

11:33

name is pronounced. This is based on

11:36

his own experience working in

11:38

a similar kind of home

11:40

for a short term housing situation

11:43

for kids that are in

11:45

rough situations. He actually did a short film

11:47

in I think 2008 called short term 12 and then made this in It

11:53

came out in 2013. He

11:55

would then go on to direct Just Mercy, which I think is

11:58

an underrated film if you haven't seen it. as

12:00

well as Shang-Chi. He did a Marvel movie. He

12:03

directed Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings.

12:06

This movie also launched a bunch of big careers,

12:08

as we'll see as we kind of get into it. The

12:12

movie starts with some co-workers

12:14

bonding by telling some work stories,

12:16

as Mason, who's played by John Gallagher, Jr., is

12:19

telling Captain Marvel Officer Diaz and Freddie

12:21

Mercury about the time he gravy-trained himself

12:25

after following an escapee. A

12:27

young kid then bursts out of the door in real

12:29

life, and they chase him and hold him down as Nate,

12:32

played by Rami Malek, adjusts to the insanity

12:34

of this new world that he finds himself

12:36

in. Then we roll

12:39

some early credits as someone says, welcome to short-term

12:41

12. Later in a

12:43

non-poop related meeting, we find out that

12:45

Marcus, who's played by Lakeith Stanfield, by

12:48

the way credited as Keith Stanfield in

12:50

this movie, is turning

12:53

18, and he's gonna be leaving soon, and

12:55

he says that he wants his head shaved.

12:57

We'll find out more about that later. We

13:00

then meet a new girl named Jaden,

13:02

played by Caitlyn Deaver, who swears

13:05

like a CinemaSins narrator and doesn't give a

13:07

flip about getting a mother-flippin level drop. We

13:11

then quickly find out that Grace, played

13:13

by Brie Larson, is

13:15

pregnant before cutting back to her and

13:17

Mason at home having a portrait sketch

13:19

competition that clearly care about each other

13:21

even if he doesn't, even

13:23

if he does suck at pencil art. They

13:26

then start to have sex for the first time in nine days and

13:28

13 hours until Grace

13:31

delivers, delivers

13:33

the right hook, hook up, upper cut, and

13:35

we can tell right then and there that

13:37

there are deeper issues that we're gonna explore,

13:40

be exploring with this character. The next day,

13:43

Jaden joins in on the group meeting, some

13:45

wiffle ball gets pretty intense, and then Grace does

13:47

some room checks where she finds some weed, some

13:50

scissors, and a few medically accurate penis

13:52

diagrams. We then visit

13:54

Marcus who clearly has a gift with words

13:57

as he performs some stuff he's written and

13:59

it's absolutely amazing. Amazing we

14:01

then find Jaden and Grace Bonding

14:03

a bit more and then

14:05

Marcus gets his requested haircut, which we

14:07

discover was not about style But actually

14:10

about finding out if his head was

14:12

still lumpy or scarred from his abuse

14:14

when he was younger Grace

14:16

then tells Mason that they're going to have a

14:18

baby and after some minor hyper Ventilating

14:21

he is ready to buy his world's

14:23

best dad mug The

14:25

next day Jaden gets some birthday gifts

14:27

and then gets stood up by her

14:29

dad Which leads to an

14:31

episode where Nate is still out of

14:33

his depth Mason is curious

14:36

about his baking skills and Grace helps Jaden

14:38

get her anger out with a rollicking game

14:40

of kick the inflatable dog Things

14:43

seem to be okay But then Jaden bolts

14:45

and Grace walks with her to her dad's

14:47

place But she eventually decides

14:49

to come back and tells grace in one

14:51

of the most heartbreaking Scenes in

14:53

the entire movie in my opinion

14:55

the story of Nina the octopus

14:57

a very very moving

15:00

in traumatic tale Grace

15:02

vows in that moment to never

15:04

let her go back to her

15:06

dad We then go

15:08

to a celebration that we find out is

15:11

for Mason's prolific foster parents And

15:13

we see the reward that they're experiencing and

15:15

what must have been a painful journey Raising

15:18

all of these foster kids oh and

15:20

by the way at this party They

15:22

decide to get engaged grace and Mason

15:24

decide to get engaged a

15:26

phone call Then comes and it becomes

15:28

clear that Grace's dad may be paroled and we

15:30

start to get a little more insight into what's

15:32

going on in her world We

15:35

get the sense that grace in Jaden

15:37

stories are very strikingly similar and we

15:39

start to understand the investment that grace

15:41

is feeling in Jaden

15:43

back at st12 Marcus's

15:46

fish has died and the Overseer

15:49

that they have to report to has

15:51

let Jaden go with her father Because

15:54

he says they have no proof you can't

15:56

just accept you know a tearful

16:00

story and has no proof. So,

16:03

Grace accuses him of doing favors for a

16:05

friend, he fires her, and then

16:07

a touch lamp pays the ultimate price. Meanwhile,

16:10

Nate finds one of Sammy's dolls and

16:12

makes a kind little gesture, and maybe

16:15

Nate is finally understanding why he's

16:17

here. Go Nate, go. Then

16:22

tragedy arrives as Grace walks back in

16:24

to find that Marcus has made an

16:26

attempt on his life, and everything is

16:28

crumbling, including her relationship with Mason and her

16:31

desire to have a baby as

16:33

they have a big fight and call it

16:35

quits. She then breaks into

16:38

Jaden's house and stands

16:40

over Jaden's dad with a

16:42

baseball bat until Jaden

16:45

asks her if maybe she thinks that's

16:47

being a little extreme. So

16:49

they opt for instead a rollicking

16:51

game of Babe Rufings-a-Buick instead

16:54

of that. How did dad not wake up? That's

16:56

a great question. I'm guessing drunk. I'm guessing

16:58

that's a drunk sleeper or something. He's out.

17:00

Yeah, he's out. And she

17:03

and Caitlin Deaver even says afterwards when

17:05

they're smashing up the truck, he sleeps

17:07

through everything. I'm getting

17:09

the sense that yeah, there's some

17:11

massive drugs and alcohol. Yeah, something.

17:13

Yeah. Jaden then tells

17:16

Grace that she's going to be a good mom. Grace

17:18

apologizes to Mason, and Mason welcomes

17:21

her back into his blanket fort.

17:24

As we approach the end, we see

17:26

a beautiful ultrasound. We find out that Marcus

17:29

is okay and end up

17:31

in another co-worker story, this time about

17:33

Marcus not throwing away his shot before

17:36

Sammy bursts out of the door and they

17:38

chase him down as we adjust to the

17:41

insanity that hope can be found even somewhere

17:43

like Short Term And

17:45

that is Short Term 12. What did you

17:47

guys think? It's your first time for both of you, I

17:49

think. Mm-hmm. Yeah, you are a

17:52

gut puncher, Aaron Dicer. I

17:54

know, I know. They're my favorite

17:56

kind of movies. Like to punch

17:58

guts. Um, I

18:01

really loved it. I've never seen it before.

18:03

Um, it is incredible that

18:06

they pulled this cast together. They,

18:09

they absolutely could not have

18:12

known that they had five future

18:15

superstars in the film. Yeah.

18:17

Um, so it's just incredible

18:19

casting. Um, I think

18:21

everyone is perfectly cast. This is probably the

18:23

most I've liked Raymond Malick, anything I've ever

18:25

seen him in, um, because

18:28

he's just playing, he's not playing a

18:30

famous singer or James Bondville and he's

18:32

just playing a dude. Um,

18:36

in fact, they have that fight during

18:39

wiffle ball where Le Keith Stanfield starts hitting

18:41

Louise with the bat and they break it

18:43

up. And then the female counselor,

18:45

Louise and Raymond Malick are sitting on the ground and

18:47

the female counselor says, how are you feeling before

18:50

the student can respond, Raymond Malick goes,

18:53

not good. They just, and

18:57

I had to pause it. I was laughing so hard.

18:59

Um, so much. I love movies

19:02

like this, where the,

19:04

there's not necessarily a straight

19:06

through line. Uh, we

19:08

see vignettes, uh, along the

19:10

way that sort of paint an

19:12

overall picture for us. Um,

19:15

it's just a very, very human movie

19:17

that gives us those kind of laughs

19:20

alongside the tragedies, uh, that it

19:23

gives us. And I feel like

19:25

it deals with

19:27

some extremely heavy, heavy topics, um,

19:31

in a very good way, uh, in a

19:33

way that's not exploitative or like, you

19:36

know, pushing, uh,

19:39

trying to make it edgy or what

19:41

have you, it's pretty straightforward. Um,

19:43

and I like the message of the

19:45

movie because in general, we know that

19:47

trauma can breed trauma. Um,

19:50

and this movie is saying that

19:52

recovery from trauma can breed recovery

19:54

from trauma. Um, because Jaden

19:57

is very clearly a younger

19:59

version. of forgotten

20:02

race, grace. Um, so

20:04

I was very moved by it. I have a

20:06

few things I'll mention later in terms of notes,

20:08

but, um, yeah, I don't, I

20:10

don't, I don't have anything negative to say

20:12

about it. Uh, if anything, this is one of those movies

20:14

I could have used another 10 or 15 minutes with, uh,

20:17

it was over too fast for me. Um,

20:20

yeah, I really like this too. Um,

20:23

and yeah, there's always, it feels

20:25

like every decade has a movie

20:27

where the casting directors have

20:30

this amazing, uh, moment

20:33

where they've gotten everybody before

20:35

they're huge stars. So,

20:37

I mean, yeah, you would never be able to

20:40

make this movie with these people today, right? So

20:42

like you'd be probably to be too much, but

20:45

there's, I feel like it's inevitable

20:47

with as many movies as there are that

20:49

get made, uh, and there's

20:51

always that hot list of stars or whatever,

20:54

uh, that that's circulating around and

20:56

everything. And, and, uh, but it,

20:58

it, when you find, when you find those movies, it's

21:01

always just like, whoa, how did they get all

21:03

these people and everything? The, um,

21:05

I, you know, the, that, that

21:07

octopus and shark story, I mean,

21:10

it's, you know, the, uh,

21:13

the big moment for me too, as well, I think that

21:15

was the biggest part of the movie, but, uh,

21:17

I also thought it was interesting,

21:20

uh, how at the very

21:22

end of it, it's, it's, it's interesting that

21:24

the, that she says that the shark got

21:27

sad. It was almost like she

21:30

was, she was being sympathetic towards

21:32

the shark. But you can

21:34

tell that in the way she's written it,

21:37

the shark got sad and looked

21:39

for another friend and it, and

21:41

it's basically saying, you

21:44

know, this store, the shark story is

21:46

not about how it lost

21:48

a friend that he enjoyed

21:50

being with, it's about what

21:53

happened with him, not, you

21:55

know, what, you know, what, what does the

21:57

friend mean to him in his, in his

21:59

life? not really what he could

22:01

do for the octopus or anything like

22:04

that. He went out to find another

22:06

friend that he would probably just eat

22:08

just as well and

22:10

everything. So I thought that was a really interesting, I

22:13

don't know if they put that kind of complexity

22:16

in a 16 year old's mind or if that

22:18

was unconscious or what, but I really thought that

22:20

was an interesting take at the end to put

22:23

that thing in there where it seems like she's being

22:25

sympathetic, but also pointing out that

22:27

the shark's really not sad

22:30

in the way that we're sad when we

22:32

lose a friend or anything like that, like

22:34

normal nonpsychotic people would

22:37

be the shaving of the head

22:41

and making sure there's no lumps. I

22:43

mean, good God, I had started

22:46

this movie and it

22:48

was about 15 or 20 minutes in when

22:50

Jeremy wrote across our Slack channel,

22:52

this movie is a lot. And

22:55

I was like, I hadn't gotten to the a

22:57

lot part yet, but I knew we were going

22:59

to get there because these movies never have, they're

23:04

never not gonna have stories that you're just gonna

23:06

like shake your head at

23:08

humanity about and everything. Meanwhile, you are

23:10

going to have hope for humanity a

23:14

little bit too, that there are people that

23:16

dedicate their lives to doing this kind of

23:18

work and everything. So

23:22

yeah, I really,

23:24

really enjoyed this. Pre-Laurison is

23:26

great. I know that the internet hates

23:28

her for whatever reason. I

23:31

think she said something about, what was that? Stunts

23:34

and all the critics and all

23:36

the journalists at the junkets were

23:38

men. I think

23:40

it was something like that. I

23:42

don't know, everything that I see her in, I

23:45

absolutely love her in. So I think she's

23:47

great in this. Robbie

23:49

Mollick also has a funny moment in

23:51

that, I think it's in that same

23:53

scene just before the

23:56

Whiffle ball really gets intense

23:58

or whatever, where he... been

24:00

told that whatever they the kids asked for you

24:02

have to say no and it was a very

24:04

kind of like short like it

24:06

not literally say no but find a

24:08

way to say no that whatever and

24:11

these two little girls are like would you like to

24:13

jump rope with us and he's like no

24:22

that's not what they meant by that yeah

24:25

so so yeah

24:27

that was that was a really funny

24:29

moment in this but and yes the

24:31

I thought it was interesting to think

24:33

in the trivia on the IMDB it's

24:35

something at the point that the director

24:38

wrote all the raps but then Keith

24:40

Stanfield came in and made them

24:42

better I didn't even know I didn't

24:44

even know he he was a

24:46

rapper or did it did any kind

24:48

of music had any kind of a

24:50

music career or tried to or whatever

24:52

but I think that song at the

24:55

end this is credited to him and

24:58

I think he's got like a stage name that's on

25:00

there too so but

25:02

yeah I highly enjoyed it I think

25:04

this is a really good movie this

25:06

means that Brie Larson has been in

25:08

because she's in Just Mercy and she's even

25:11

in Sean Key really quick so that

25:14

director must like working with her yeah

25:16

and there's another movie he did that that

25:18

she's in too I think I can't remember

25:20

what it's called but there's another movie

25:22

that was not mentioned in his

25:25

De Niro link to his score say

25:27

link yeah they shot this movie in

25:30

20 goddamn days

25:34

that was while flew off the IMDB to

25:36

me I don't even know how that's possible

25:38

I mean I can't even wrap my head

25:40

around that I really can't I know people

25:42

in Middle Tennessee who have made movies

25:45

no one will ever see that shot for more than

25:47

20 days so probably

25:50

helped that he had made the short film first and

25:53

kind of had a handle on the beats but

25:55

as an actor imagine trying to

25:57

play some of those heavy scenes

26:00

And the next day you're playing some of those light scenes

26:02

and then back to some that could I mean, I just

26:05

think would be very difficult With

26:07

such a compact amount of times makes the movie feel like a

26:09

bit of a miracle to me There's

26:11

there are several great performances in this movie. I

26:13

think to stand out for me as Lakeith Stanfield

26:16

I he blows me away in this film and

26:18

one of the other things I I read is

26:20

that he was actually in the short

26:22

film and Quit

26:25

acting after that and wasn't planning on

26:27

doing anything but the director sought him

26:29

out for the feature because he loved

26:31

him so much and managed to Eventually

26:33

get a hold of him and get him in

26:36

it and then of course launched his career quit

26:38

acting and didn't have a phone Right. Yeah. Yeah

26:40

something like that. And I just think

26:42

he's so good in this that Marcus character

26:44

to me is kind of

26:46

the the the heartbeat of The

26:50

work that they're doing like, you know the

26:52

he because he's graduating in a sense and

26:55

you know The the story at the end is

26:57

about him and you know The the

26:59

person that he went back and

27:01

found and they were on a date

27:03

together or whatever and it's this amazing

27:05

story But man the first time I

27:07

watched the scene where he does his

27:09

rap for the John Gallagher jr.

27:12

Character Blew

27:14

me away. The lyrics in that rap

27:16

are so powerful and the way he

27:18

delivers them is so good

27:22

That's the so, you know what? It's like song And

27:25

I pulled up the lyrics just to

27:27

read the end So put me in your book

27:29

so you know what it's like to live a

27:31

life not knowing what a normal life's like Put

27:33

a label on my head So, you know what

27:35

it's like to live a life not knowing what

27:37

a normal life's like It's just so good and

27:39

it's delivered so well And

27:42

yeah, I really enjoyed his performance in the movie

27:45

He has to run through the the gamut

27:47

of emotions He's yeah You see him at

27:49

first it seems like he's just angry and

27:52

then there you see some depression and then

27:54

you see Where he's happy

27:56

a lot and he can cut he's telling

27:58

jokes and everything. There's the great moment

28:00

too, where, uh, is

28:02

it, is it right after Caitlin Deaver

28:04

tries to run out the first time

28:06

or I can't remember what it is,

28:09

but there's a big, uh, she's,

28:11

she's a cutter. So she goes into her, oh, that's

28:13

what it is. She goes into her room and closes

28:15

the door and they're trying to break

28:17

it down to make sure that she doesn't hurt herself.

28:20

And, uh, right at, like while

28:22

that's going on, he goes and gathers

28:24

everybody up, throws this, these supplies down

28:27

on the table and says, all right.

28:30

Come on, take one. And then when she comes back,

28:32

she's got happy birthday cards written, uh,

28:35

for her by everybody in the, in the

28:37

place. I think that is, I mean, I'm

28:40

not trying to be cute. That moment

28:44

maybe broke me more than any other because it's

28:48

so obvious. They have had to do

28:50

this so many times. He

28:52

just sets the construction paper and

28:55

the markers down and everyone knows,

28:58

gotta leave a note for this person who's really

29:00

struggling right now. It's that, that was what was

29:02

hard for me to watch was like, this is

29:04

routine. This is something

29:06

they do regularly because they're

29:08

all broken and they all fall out at some

29:10

point and they have to be there for each

29:13

other. God, it's rough. One

29:15

of the, one of the things that I think

29:17

makes it work so well is the authenticity and

29:19

you can tell that these stories come from such

29:21

a real place. Like you can

29:23

just feel through all these things that the

29:26

person who wrote it, saw this happen in

29:28

one way or another, you know, to somebody

29:30

that he cared about and, you know, was,

29:32

was there for. And because

29:35

of that, I think there are little details, you

29:37

know, the Ville Tre's right, what you know, kind

29:39

of thing. Like there are these details

29:41

that really jump out at me of

29:43

just, Oh yeah, that's how it would

29:45

be in that situation, in that home,

29:47

in, in that process. And, uh, I

29:50

think the movie benefits so greatly from him

29:52

telling his own story, you know, to have it

29:54

be a little bit

29:56

autobiographical in that way. I also appreciate.

30:00

I appreciate the wrong word. They

30:03

make these veiled references to the night

30:05

crew and the night crew is

30:08

always doing shady shit like taking

30:10

away the stuffed animals. And

30:13

again, this is probably real life,

30:16

man. The people on the night crew,

30:18

you're asleep. So they're probably

30:20

not as invested in your well-being

30:22

or your mental health as the day

30:25

crew who actually works with you and

30:27

counsels with you. So

30:29

the night crew, it's very realistic to me that the

30:31

night crew at a place like this would be assholes.

30:35

Yeah. And there's also, I think

30:38

what Daniel's getting out in some of this

30:40

is that feeling that the people who are

30:44

disconnected from the process are often

30:46

the people making the hard

30:49

choices, like not the difficult choices, but

30:51

the bad, the definitive

30:53

choices. Yeah, they're saying the therapist was the

30:55

one that took on this ball. Like

30:58

a therapist is called out, the boss of

31:00

the place is called out for being disconnected.

31:03

You get that there's this sense from the people on

31:05

the ground, you don't know what's going on. You

31:07

don't know how to actually connect

31:10

with these kids and

31:12

to be there for them. You're

31:15

using theory to do these

31:17

things instead of actually being on the ground

31:19

with them. What's so killer about that

31:22

scene where Brie Larson goes in there

31:24

to tell him about that she can't

31:26

say that she's

31:28

being abused because she feels her

31:30

father behind her at all times

31:32

and everything is that

31:35

on paper, he can't do

31:37

anything. You got an almost gone, baby

31:39

gone situation, right? Because

31:42

there isn't any evidence that

31:45

they have seen that she has been willing

31:47

to give them. And

31:49

so you can't just take a kid away

31:51

from a parent when there hasn't been any

31:53

evidence of it, but you have to be

31:55

into that trust circle to be able to

31:58

connect with them. able

32:00

to understand what's going

32:02

on at home. And it takes her

32:04

forever to actually show those marks that

32:06

are on her stomach or whatever. Um,

32:10

and, and, you know, and it just

32:12

a, just a simple little, like, like

32:15

a wave, uh, in front of the

32:17

therapist to show that or whatever. But

32:19

that's how scared she is. It's

32:21

how frightened she is of her father because

32:23

she thinks her dad is behind her at

32:26

all times. And it's, it's weird being in

32:28

the position where you're like, well, yeah, if

32:30

I heard this story, I mean, how many

32:32

of these kids are also possibly lying about

32:34

something so that they can get something out

32:36

of it or whatever. You have to weigh

32:38

all this type of stuff out, but you

32:41

know, God, it's such, such a tough

32:43

scene to see that going on. I

32:46

do love that she smashes that lamp though. I thought

32:48

that, yeah. I mean, that's

32:50

about all she can do. I mean, I think,

32:53

I think even she realizes that on

32:55

paper, you know, he did what he had to do.

32:59

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

33:01

It's, uh, it's definitely a movie that

33:03

you go through and you feel the

33:05

gut punches and you, uh,

33:08

you go through the movie being a lot, as Jeremy

33:10

said, and you get, and you get to the end

33:13

in the movie, I think

33:15

very clearly says there is hope, you know,

33:17

in, in, in almost, uh, goes

33:19

out of its way in the

33:22

Marcus story and, you know, through the,

33:24

uh, the ultrasound scene, you know, like

33:26

those kinds of things to like be

33:28

okay. There is life beyond this. There's

33:31

life, you know, further than this. There

33:33

is recovery. Recovery can happen.

33:35

Um, and it's always

33:37

a process and it's always a roller coaster, but thing

33:40

because even grace is still

33:43

recovering, right? Exactly. Exactly. Yeah.

33:45

That's what the whole scene where her boyfriend

33:47

says to you, says to her, you know,

33:50

I've been here for three years and I wouldn't take

33:52

a single minute back because that's how much I love

33:54

you, but I'm waiting for you to let me in.

33:57

I cannot help you and walk through

33:59

this with you hand in. hand until

34:01

you let me she's facing the same

34:03

kind of battle that Jaden's facing in

34:05

terms of opening up it's just she

34:08

opened up about her abuse ten years

34:10

ago now she's got to open up about that

34:13

to her boyfriend and never

34:15

ends the recovery for this kind

34:17

of shit never ends but movie

34:20

is absolutely hopeful we yeah we

34:22

have in the chat flyboy asked

34:24

you know question about the last

34:27

scene do we

34:29

find the last scene of chasing the

34:31

kid hopeful and the way I read

34:33

that scene was that it

34:36

doesn't matter what kind of happy endings

34:38

that you might run into I mean

34:40

every he tells that story about Lekith

34:42

Stanfield finding the the girl who was

34:45

there and they're dating now and all

34:47

that and it feels like a really

34:49

hopeful story we we see that Brie

34:51

Larson is on her road to recovery

34:54

and all of those stuff and you're

34:56

like oh everything's happy but in

34:58

the kid runs out again and it

35:01

just goes to show that this this

35:03

life keeps going on no matter what

35:05

I I get I get

35:08

the idea of it being hopeful at the

35:10

end because these people are still just doing

35:12

their jobs and they're there for this person

35:14

and everything I do get that but I

35:17

also get that it's just this

35:19

is their life this is always their

35:21

life you know cyclical yeah

35:23

very intentional to end the movie with pretty much

35:25

the exact same scene as the beginning of the

35:27

movie it's setting you up to go okay what's

35:29

the next story you know like what's the next

35:32

you know thing that they have to go through it's a

35:34

daily and you know monthly

35:37

annual thing that they have to deal with

35:39

so yeah yeah yeah absolutely

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37:50

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37:52

time he was, he and I doing double features. I

37:55

don't think you've seen this movie, so

37:57

I don't think you'll have, we'll overwhelm

38:00

lap on this one, but a very

38:02

recent example, the Holdovers is what

38:04

I thought of on this movie.

38:09

You know, again, we have, you

38:12

know, a teacher

38:14

in charge. This is who's playing the,

38:16

you know, the counselor or whatever you

38:18

want to call them from

38:20

short term 12, who is

38:22

having to see over kids

38:24

who either their parents

38:27

are are not there or

38:29

they're, you know, they're absentee parents of

38:31

some sort or whatever, and they've got

38:33

their own, they've got a lot of

38:35

issues that they have to deal with

38:37

and everything. Holdovers is a little bit,

38:40

I don't know, more darkly funny than this

38:42

movie is. But

38:46

it felt like it was a

38:48

pretty good parallel to this

38:51

one because a lot of the same things,

38:53

a lot of the matters of trust and

38:57

getting to know someone that you may

38:59

not like initially, it

39:02

has a lot of that same kind of flavor to

39:04

it. So I felt like the Holdovers would

39:06

be a good double feature with this. I like it. Boy,

39:10

I had a devil

39:12

of a time here because

39:15

there were only so movies about

39:18

mental health group homes. And,

39:20

you know, I didn't really want

39:22

to choose Girl Interrupted or,

39:25

you know, one of those. I

39:28

don't even know that that would be a good

39:30

double feature other than the group home aspect

39:32

being the same. But

39:35

I ended up zeroing in on Caitlin

39:37

Deaver's character, Jaden. And

39:40

so the double feature is going to

39:42

be more about her journey. And it's

39:44

a 2004 movie called Speak starring

39:47

a pre-Twilight Kristen Stewart as

39:51

a girl who everyone in school hates

39:53

because last summer she called the cops while they

39:55

were having a party. The reason

39:57

she called the cops, we find out through flashbacks. That

40:00

she was raped at the party or

40:02

but she was so traumatized he was

40:04

not able to tell the cops when

40:06

they arrived what had happened and she

40:08

has not been able to tell anyone.

40:10

And so she's newly mute. A she's

40:12

going through. This high

40:14

school experience. Kristen Stewart so good

40:17

in this erm. But.

40:19

At everything she does, it's not Twilight, she's

40:22

outstanding. Like a really good acting here. Steve's

40:24

on plays an art teacher who kind of

40:26

helps connect with her get her out of

40:28

her shell but her journey. Is

40:31

about finding a way to tell

40:33

someone what happened to her. And.

40:35

Begin that process of healing and recovery

40:37

from this salt and I feel like

40:40

that is sort of the trade and

40:42

story in short term Twelve is that

40:44

she has to take that first step,

40:46

And she does by the end of

40:48

the film. And

40:50

so I would highly recommend speak if he ever

40:52

come across it. Does

40:54

a kid oh look like order to

40:56

look so time right now and it

40:58

also costars was the Perkins and Michael

41:01

Andrew Renault and to renew on how

41:03

pronounce his name but I had actually

41:05

recommended this. Back on the Sin cast

41:07

for five years ago when I saw

41:09

them from and or. That. My

41:12

Super Secret double feature earlier. Oh or

41:14

what are we gonna see next week?

41:16

It's a Jeremy Sir Jeremy Stern Shit.

41:18

I didn't know that a week, is

41:21

it? It's ah. Another movie that I

41:23

saw in the last week that I

41:25

had seen before. The think I recommended

41:27

on the old podcasts are Twenty Fifth

41:30

Teens I In the Sky. Your

41:33

this five or six days ago and god

41:35

damn it could not be more timely, even

41:38

though it was made nine years ago. This

41:40

is Helen Mirren Aaron. Paul and Alan

41:42

Rickman. And. Park had

41:44

abdi be guy from captain phillips

41:46

who sit on the captain know.

41:50

So. This is about a drone strike

41:52

in the Middle East. Aaron Paul is

41:54

in Vegas is flying the Drone Alan

41:56

Rickman and Helen Mirren. or. Not.

41:58

On his location and they are. Both. Superior

42:01

officers to him as a joint

42:03

Us British operation. And

42:06

they have a camera inside this house. Showing

42:09

guys. Building. Suicide.

42:11

Vests, Bomb

42:13

Vests but they also have arrow

42:16

cameras. The show a little girl

42:18

outside selling bread. And

42:21

that is just one of the many

42:23

tensions a as they try and side.

42:26

Can. We bomb this place. Should we

42:28

bomb this place? They. Have to

42:31

weigh the lives of innocent people versus the

42:33

lives of innocent people that might die in

42:35

a future. Suicide Bombings. And

42:38

it just it really punch me in the

42:40

got. the stuff has been going on for

42:42

decades but you know everything that you've seen

42:44

in the news. These days it felt like

42:46

this was super tightly. This is on Max.

42:49

Formerly. H B O Max. I'm.

42:52

And it's and Ninety Five on Rotten Tomatoes which I

42:54

was a. Supply of have ever

42:56

seen this. I A I'm get this has

42:58

gotta be like Alan Rickman last movie Ryan

43:00

of I grab a I think he'd okay

43:03

so he did like a voice on Alice

43:05

through the Looking Glass but I don't like

43:07

that really counts as look at this would

43:09

be is his last job at least on

43:12

screen performance If we want to. Know.

43:16

Define. It in some way, but. Ah,

43:18

I'm a sucker for conundrum movies In

43:20

this is this is a Conundrum movie.

43:23

I'm in fact, it's current. It's kind

43:25

of the trolley problem in real life

43:27

in many ways. It's like do proactively

43:29

kill innocent lives. Knowing that will save

43:32

you know more innocent lives. Just me

43:34

and I find the the characters. a

43:37

way they talk about it in enters into i

43:40

admit i was just a sister making that clear

43:42

as a fact i am the only one who

43:44

ever seen as you say that there are three

43:46

movies mentioned today that i haven't seen one of

43:48

which i never even heard of the speak movie

43:51

that you talked about so i'm i'm excited or

43:53

to look all those and i don't i hadn't

43:55

do the have to go back to before you

43:57

were an official movie critic then i go have

44:00

a higher success rate. I

44:02

just watched the last of the Mohicans. There

44:04

are movies I haven't seen. Yep,

44:07

yep, exactly. Awesome. Okay, I guess we got

44:09

some time for some questions. I've

44:11

got something to say. I

44:14

want the truth. I'm listening. We've

44:16

got time for questions. That's

44:18

rare. And we've got four of them

44:21

loaded up. So you're going to have

44:23

to give us some new questions, listeners, viewers,

44:25

for next week. What

44:27

is a singular movie that absolutely needs

44:29

a sequel or two? Scott

44:32

Pilgrim vs. the World needs more

44:35

movies. I know, Jeremy, you're not the

44:37

biggest on this movie because it's a

44:39

little bit too hyper for you. But

44:44

I love it and I think it needs more

44:46

movies and I think it would be awesome because

44:48

it didn't

44:51

do well in theaters when

44:53

it first came out. I think it's got a

44:55

following now that would make it a decent hit

44:59

if they came out with a sequel. And

45:02

then also, I'm always going to

45:04

try to bring knowledge

45:07

to the world about Zero Effect. I

45:09

know that there will never make a

45:12

sequel to this movie, but Bill Pullman's

45:14

character as Daryl Zero deserved to have

45:16

more movies, even though the movie made

45:18

absolutely nothing at the box office. So

45:20

there you go. That

45:24

would be awesome. Aaron, Chris, have you seen

45:26

the TV show, the Scott Pilgrim TV show

45:29

at all? I have not. Is it good? I

45:31

have not seen it either. I knew it

45:33

came out last year. I think it's a Netflix show.

45:35

I think it came out last year and I

45:37

haven't gotten around to that one.

45:40

So I have read that it's

45:43

not the same story at all. They took

45:46

wild liberties with it, but everybody still seems to enjoy

45:48

it. Interesting. All

45:52

right, so I had difficulty with this one because I actually

45:55

have a go-to answer for this question,

45:58

or I should say had a go-to answer for this question. because

46:00

the sequel is coming out this year. My

46:03

go-to answer for this question was Inside Out. I

46:06

have always thought that you could do so much

46:08

with that concept and do so many different things.

46:10

I'm curious to see what those things will

46:13

be with the sequel as

46:16

it comes out this year. Inside

46:19

Out 2 will be like Inception or something like

46:21

that. I don't know. But

46:25

I'm going to go with The Truman Show, which

46:29

is an interesting thing to me because

46:31

I don't think it has

46:33

it can deal with completely different situations and themes

46:36

than the original movie does because

46:39

that character what happens next,

46:41

which I get is a beautiful part of the

46:43

movie is thinking okay what happens next, but

46:46

I think we've had enough time to ponder that

46:48

that I'd like to see a movie version of

46:51

that character figuring

46:53

out the real world and the paranoia

46:55

that would come, like the absolute mind

46:57

stuff he would have to go for

47:00

being in the real world. Let's

47:02

just totally ruin it and have

47:04

it where Kristoff knew that he

47:06

would get out one day and

47:08

he put cameras everywhere around the

47:10

world. That's really interesting

47:13

but I'm not as much interested in that

47:15

because it's the same, then it would be

47:17

the same as the first, but that also

47:19

is interesting. That would be wild. You said

47:22

paranoia though. I thought man with today's surveillance,

47:24

I mean that sequel could end really dark

47:26

with him realizing we're all essentially in the

47:28

Truman Show. Yeah, exactly. You could do that.

47:31

There's people with phones out everywhere

47:33

and all that. There's

47:36

an article in my local paper that

47:38

said the local police department is asking

47:40

people in this city to buy

47:43

this, but not buy, they'll give it to you, add

47:45

this device to your security cameras that lets

47:47

the cops access them in real time so

47:49

they can catch criminals driving down your street.

47:52

Oh my god. And I was

47:54

like, no. That's crazy. In

47:58

the chat, Pauli Walnut says Alita Battle... Angel

48:00

I think that's a good choice.

48:03

I think they were thinking about doing

48:05

that right? It was supposed to be

48:08

a franchise. I just don't think the first

48:10

one succeeded like they wanted it to. Shaggy

48:12

nuts, everybody's got nuts in their title. It's

48:16

saying Dread, which I would think would be a

48:18

great one too. I

48:20

don't know if Dread did. I mean all

48:22

these of course that were one-offs and haven't

48:25

had Zegel's because they didn't do well at

48:28

the box office, but Dread I think also

48:30

has built up of quite

48:32

a following over the years. I

48:34

don't know if it's because of the raid too,

48:36

but like it's

48:38

very similar to that first raid movie,

48:41

but it's fantastic. I love Dread.

48:44

Yeah my answer for this

48:46

was upgrade just because I

48:50

love that world and I love that idea and

48:53

I like Logan Marshall Green. So

48:56

I would like to see what happens next in

48:58

that world, but most of the time there's more people

49:00

to watch upgrade. Yeah, exactly.

49:03

Alright, let's do another. What

49:06

actors do you confuse for another? I often

49:08

play the game is that Mark Strong or Stanley

49:10

Tucci when I see either of them. So

49:18

I get Marshall Bell, who is in

49:21

a lot of Paul Verhoeven movies, confused

49:23

with Stephen Collins and I'm sure that

49:26

will make Marshall Bell very

49:28

happy that I confuse him with Stephen

49:30

Collins. You can look Stephen Collins up

49:32

if you want. But

49:34

it's funny, I started

49:37

watching Band of Brothers,

49:39

Jeremy, and I'm two episodes

49:41

in and I did this

49:45

last night confused an

49:48

actor with somebody else because there's

49:50

all you know it's like oh

49:52

this is the younger version of

49:54

somebody. I think that's him or

49:56

whatever and so like Kirk Acevedo

49:58

I thought was Toby. Keppel when I

50:00

first saw him. Oh wow. And

50:03

so that, so I was like, I guess I confused

50:05

those guys too. Uh, so

50:08

anyway, there's, those are my. Watching Band

50:10

of brothers now for the first time

50:12

is going to be a trip because

50:15

it's like, Oh, there's James McAvoy for

50:17

one scene. Oh, there's Tom

50:19

Hardy for one scene. Um, and,

50:22

and, you know, I'll, I'll do something like

50:24

that, confuse two actors. And then I'll see

50:26

somebody in shadows wearing a helmet with all

50:28

this makeup on their face and I'll be

50:31

like, that's Andrew Scott. I

50:35

mean, everybody's in that thing, man. Like Jimmy

50:38

Fallon has a moment. Michael Fassett

50:40

is in there. Well, David Schwimmer

50:42

has like an amazing opening episode.

50:45

I'm like, whoa, that, that was some

50:47

casting right there. David Schwimmer is

50:49

a hard ass on the first episode. Oh,

50:52

it's probably probably.

50:57

To me, it feels like the most cliche answer,

51:00

but it's true for me. The Natalie Portman, uh,

51:02

Keira Knightley thing has thrown me, you know,

51:04

for a loop many, many times, I think I

51:06

can tell them apart now, but they look so

51:08

similar. They used

51:10

to affect in Phantom minutes. In Phantom minutes.

51:12

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Very

51:15

much so. Um, although the

51:17

other one that always gets me is

51:19

Daniel Radcliffe and Elijah Wood, um,

51:22

the two, I mix the two

51:24

of them up sometimes. Um, so

51:26

yeah, they just, they look similar to

51:28

me. And rule odd ball movies too.

51:30

Like they've made their money. They just

51:32

do this stuff that they like to

51:34

do. And they're all using these like

51:36

rule quirky pictures and stuff. Yeah. Yeah.

51:38

So that one gets me. I, um,

51:40

as we learned recently in an episode

51:42

a week or two ago, I have

51:44

a hard time with Eric Bana and

51:46

Billy Crudup. And mostly

51:49

because they both rose to prominence at about

51:51

the exact same time. Um,

51:53

always have confused Rachel McAdams and

51:56

Elizabeth Banks. I think I finally got

51:58

that one straight straightened out. Yeah,

52:00

ten years ago shit when we did a

52:02

video on the first hunger games movie I

52:04

called her Rachel McAdams and you were like,

52:06

that's actually Elizabeth Bank I

52:13

was like, oh, yeah, I like slap still just

52:15

slab stole my joke Peyton Linton's Peyton list, right?

52:18

Which is funny. I think Elizabeth Banks

52:20

for the longest time was confused with

52:22

who's that? comedian shirt

52:24

was it oh Okay,

52:26

I can't remember that name but she used to

52:28

have a little cable talk show at night He's

52:30

like Chelsea Handler is that who I think she

52:33

was confused with Chelsea Handler all the time and

52:35

like people would come up to Elizabeth

52:37

Banks and go oh my god, Chelsea Handler

52:39

or something like that. She'd signed Chelsea

52:42

Handler for autograph and stuff like

52:44

that. That's all oh That's

52:47

a good one was it well,

52:50

actually no, I thought they were gonna say Jeffrey

52:52

Dean Morgan and Javier

52:55

Bardem, but they say John

52:57

Ham on this one in

53:00

the in the chat But I thought

53:02

yeah, Javier Bardem and

53:04

Jeffrey Dean Morgan that when I saw the

53:06

Watchman trailer for the first time I was

53:08

like Sometimes

53:13

it's sometimes it's not a visual thing either sometimes

53:15

what I'm talking about I just get if they

53:17

have the same first name, I'll just mess them

53:19

up Like you meant you mentioned Chelsea Handler out

53:21

like I can't remember how many times I've called

53:23

her Chelsea Peretti or you know Chelsea, Chelsea

53:25

Handler or like it just sometimes it's just

53:27

the first name and I just picked the

53:29

wrong last name. Oh, yeah Margot

53:32

Robbie and Emma Mackey. Yeah, that's a

53:34

good one And

53:36

some more weaving for me. Oh,

53:39

that's another one. Yeah all three of them

53:41

together really honestly weren't

53:44

they Yeah,

53:46

and it's in a scene together I think in

53:48

the in the when they were shooting out in

53:50

the desert all the different Scenes

53:53

some are weeding than that. I think so I

53:55

think she does she's the one that Margot Robbie

53:58

replaces when she gets her big break, right? Like,

54:00

Samara Weems. I think that's right. I could be wrong.

54:03

I could be wrong about that. There's some

54:05

movie where this happens, though, I believe. Yeah.

54:08

But anyway. Do

54:10

we have one more room for one more? We

54:13

do. I think we need one more. What

54:15

is an animated movie or show that genuinely

54:17

surprised you when you found out who voiced

54:19

a role? Okay. So,

54:21

when I was... I've watched

54:23

The Simpsons from the beginning of,

54:27

you know, when it first came on. Like I

54:29

watched from first season on and everything. So, I

54:31

was pretty young. And

54:33

I thought that some of the

54:36

guest voices were being done by people

54:38

who were experts at doing those voices.

54:41

So, like, the fact that

54:43

Dustin Hoffman and Michael Jackson actually did

54:45

the guest voices on the show, but

54:48

they used aliases at the end. And The

54:51

Simpsons even made fun of this later on

54:53

when the Itchy and Scratchy movie

54:55

came out. And Bart couldn't

54:57

watch it. And Lisa came back and was like,

54:59

there were so many guest voices. Dustin Hoffman, Michael

55:01

Jackson. They didn't use their real names, but we

55:03

knew it was them. And

55:06

so, I thought that the alias that they

55:08

used at the very end was just somebody

55:10

who was like a very good Michael Jackson

55:12

impersonator or a very good Dustin Hoffman

55:15

impersonator. And it just turned out

55:17

to be them. They just didn't want to put

55:19

their name on the show because it was considered,

55:21

you know, ghost or whatever to be

55:23

an animated cartoon voice or whatever. So, there you

55:26

go. Amazing.

55:29

Mine's not animated, so I did not answer the question.

55:31

I answered my own question, but it is

55:33

a voice performance. I

55:35

went with Bradley Cooper's Rocket Raccoon. I

55:40

don't know how I missed that he was cast as

55:42

Rocket Raccoon, but when I went and saw the

55:44

first Guardians, there was a

55:46

moment about halfway through where

55:49

I heard Bradley Cooper's voice.

55:52

And it was the first moment in the entire

55:54

movie where it actually sounded a little bit like

55:56

Bradley Cooper. I mean, is that Bradley Cooper? And

55:58

it blew my mind. Doing such

56:00

a great character voice in movies,

56:02

so that was that was

56:04

one for me that I remember That's

56:08

a good one because he doesn't sound anything

56:10

like himself whereas Groot sounds exactly like Vin Diesel

56:14

I've been all about the blue-eyed samurai last

56:18

several months and George

56:20

Takei's in that and I didn't realize it

56:22

was him first time through and then also

56:24

the character of Ringo is voiced by Masi

56:27

Oka who was on heroes who

56:29

was my favorite character on heroes and Ringo

56:32

doesn't have a lot of dialogue in blue-eyed

56:35

samurai So I didn't even

56:37

think for a second that was gonna be somebody

56:39

who I would recognize their name So

56:41

I was looking through the cast. I was like Yeah,

56:47

I've watched the first three episodes of it I had need to

56:49

get back to it I like what I've seen so

56:51

far In

56:54

the chat, we've got We've

56:56

got Liev Shriver as the missing dog and

56:58

Isle of Dogs We

57:01

have Keith David as dr. Facilier and the

57:04

princess and the princess and the frog And

57:08

Mako as uncle Iron. I wrote

57:10

in the last airbender Sean

57:14

gun as the baby rocket in True

57:18

so Those

57:21

are all good ones. All right. Well that's gonna

57:23

do it for episode Once

57:27

again, thank you chat for coming

57:29

out. You guys always come through for

57:31

us I I love it that you

57:33

that you just come strong every time.

57:35

It's amazing Next

57:37

week will be I in the sky for episode 101

57:41

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57:43

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58:22

Hello. Hello. Hey.

58:26

That moment that

58:28

moment when you're waiting

58:30

to see if everybody's sound is

58:32

coming through. Oh, look

58:34

at that looking fresh. Looking

58:37

fresh. You got the nice buzz

58:39

cut or something. I did it on

58:42

accident in November because I used

58:44

the wrong guard. And after making

58:46

fun of myself for a few days, I realized

58:48

I kind of liked it. So

58:51

I did it again, like a week

58:53

ago. That

58:56

is something that happens, right? You get, you

58:59

know, you're like, okay, I'm gonna just kind of

59:01

knock this down a little bit. And

59:04

then you make a mistake and then

59:06

you're like, well, I got to cover it up somehow. Why

59:08

not just cut it all off? Yeah.

59:10

I mean, my wife has been cutting my hair

59:13

with clippers since the pandemic. And so I

59:15

just handed her the clippers because I thought the

59:17

correct guard was on there and she just went.

59:21

And then they're going back then.

59:24

I either that or, you

59:26

know, I'd make a stupid reverse mohawk

59:29

like statement haircut. And I'm not that guy. You're

59:32

not make a statement with your hair guy? No,

59:35

but you are. Do you remember that in college?

59:38

No. Did you have a mohawk? No. I

59:41

had a cross shaved in the back of my

59:43

head. I do remember that. Yeah. Yeah.

59:46

How long did you keep that rocking? Until

59:48

I made the traveling group and they were

59:50

like, they

59:52

were like, no, like your Christianity is too

59:55

edgy. Yes. Yeah. They

59:57

were like, no personality, please. You're part of a group now.

1:00:00

You're not an individual. Oh my goodness. We

1:00:02

can't have a cross shaved in your

1:00:05

head. This is the best

1:00:07

story I've ever heard. I can't believe this. So all

1:00:09

of that, it's not even funny. And

1:00:11

then like many years later, before

1:00:14

I was working with CinemaSins right

1:00:16

before that, actually, they called me up to

1:00:18

do some interviews for a communications position for

1:00:20

like, you know, being on the

1:00:23

path to being like a professor there in communications and

1:00:25

stuff. And I

1:00:27

met with the same person who

1:00:29

had originally had that conversation with

1:00:31

me because he's running

1:00:33

like all of the, you know, staff

1:00:36

hireings and that kind of stuff. And

1:00:39

he asked me in that

1:00:41

meeting, he's like, so are

1:00:44

you still pushing the envelope? Are

1:00:46

you still? Oh my God. I'm

1:00:48

just like. This is the same school

1:00:50

that hired our old mentor's son and then found

1:00:53

out he wrote a obscure book that had like

1:00:55

a trans character in it. So they fired him.

1:00:57

Yeah, I think, yeah, there was a, I think

1:00:59

it was a gay character. I think it was,

1:01:01

it was a positive gay

1:01:03

character and they were like, that's not good. It

1:01:06

must be a villain if they're gay. I don't

1:01:08

know what they were like, but that's, that's the

1:01:10

inclination they gave. And you can get in trouble

1:01:12

at the same school for writing about a gay

1:01:14

person or shaving a cross in the back. I

1:01:20

was just reading about a

1:01:22

tool that has been developed that

1:01:25

people, artists can add to their

1:01:27

digital artwork that will

1:01:29

poison machine learning software.

1:01:32

So basically it somehow

1:01:36

confuses the machine learning software into

1:01:38

thinking the bits and bytes it's

1:01:40

seeing are something else. I don't

1:01:42

know the technology behind it, but

1:01:44

then it will also

1:01:46

mistake those same bits and bytes

1:01:48

in other artworks, like not just

1:01:50

the one you uploaded. So theoretically

1:01:54

within months, if

1:01:56

enough people did this, they could completely

1:01:58

ruin those. AI machine learning

1:02:01

art viewers. Oh, interesting. Because

1:02:04

they might be looking at a picture of a dog,

1:02:06

but this will convince them they're looking at a picture

1:02:09

of a bench. But

1:02:12

isn't this like every technological

1:02:14

thing, it's just a back and forth. And

1:02:17

then the AI people figure out how to tell the computers

1:02:19

to find that and then the people who want to fight

1:02:21

it, tell the computers, you know, like it's just this back

1:02:23

and forth. Just let me have my Robin Hood moment for

1:02:25

a minute. People are

1:02:27

fighting back against the president. If there's one

1:02:29

thing I'm known for, it's my pessimism. All

1:02:32

right, this is never going to work. That's

1:02:35

why you shaved a cross on your head. That's right. That's

1:02:37

right. You've been better off playing with face

1:02:39

cards, Aaron. The only

1:02:42

reason I know how to play Rook is that face cards

1:02:45

were banned from my camp. Yeah.

1:02:48

Yeah. Not like, like, because you can't

1:02:50

gamble on Rook. Right? Right.

1:02:53

The only thing you can gamble on are face

1:02:55

cards. Face cards? Yeah, like

1:02:57

regular playing cards. My parents still won't allow face

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cards in their home. Yeah, they were

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banned. Too close to gambling.

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Okay. Face King, Queen, Jack

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10, that kind of card set, not allowed. You've

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officially gone too far. I

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remember doing

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a stand-up comedy thing in high

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school and I did the audition

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or whatever for it. And

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it contained stuff about a teacher

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in the school. And so

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the drama teacher said, we

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can't do that unless you do that

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bit in front of her and she

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says it's okay. So like

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they pulled me out of class on

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one day and I had to

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perform this bit in front

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of her in like a supply closet. And

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so I sat there and did this thing

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about, because This teacher used to say stuff

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like, this is worth 50% of your grade and

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then this is worth 35 and then this is

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where it would always go over a hundred. Anna

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so I had so bad joke and

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I told another joke I think maybe

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about her cigarette smoking years obama. And.

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The see set their barry

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stone faced. And

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then I went back into the glass and

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then like I to took me out again

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like five different. Us:

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Oh man, that's awesome!