We have 2 interviews, first with Dr. Caleb Lack, Director of the Secular Therapy Project, then with Dr. Marlene Winell, Director of Journey Free - Recovery from Harmful Religion & author of Leaving the Fold. Counselor Becky Fox shares her insight on spiritual/religious abuse, and per usual we have listeners' stories, this time about psychological harm from religion. We also cover upcoming secular/atheist/skeptic conferences and conventions.