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Global warming has been politicized since Al

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Gore's two thousand and six documentary and Inconvenient

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Truth.

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Within the decade, there will be no

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more snows of Kilimanjarle.

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A mere two years after the film's launch. The

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issue was so hot Kenada Obama

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was running on his ability to change sea levels.

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This was the moment when the

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rise of the ulceans began to show

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and our planet began to heal.

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In his run for the White House, Donald Trump

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would make his own remarks about climate change

1:00

A.

1:00

Lot of it's a hoax. It's a hoax. I mean it's some money

1:03

making industry. Okay, it's a hoax.

1:05

The far left media would eventually lock in on

1:07

Trump's hoax comment.

1:08

President Trump believes climate change is a hoax?

1:11

Yes or no?

1:12

Does the president believe that climate change

1:14

is real?

1:15

Does the President believe today

1:17

that climate change is a hoax?

1:19

Shouldn't you be able to tell the American people

1:21

whether or not the President still believes the

1:23

climate change.

1:24

Is a hoax?

1:24

What does the president actually believe climate

1:27

change?

1:27

Does he still believe it's a hoax?

1:29

Obama thinks he's the god Poseidon and

1:31

the media is silent. Trump thinks some

1:33

global warming claims are deceptive. The media

1:36

pounces. But Trump's statement did

1:38

raise a question that the media would never

1:40

probe, namely, why

1:42

do so many people think global warming

1:44

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Welcome to Red Pilled America.

2:33

Global Warming is one of those topics, like

2:35

abortion and gun control, that has become

2:38

hopelessly politicized. The left

2:40

has an almost religious belief in it, and

2:42

when anyone shows skepticism towards even

2:44

the most extreme claims, the media labels

2:47

the person a conspiracy theorist, or worse,

2:49

a science denier. When

2:52

Donald Trump said some of global warming was a

2:54

hoax, the media was incurious as to why

2:56

you would say such a thing. What could

2:58

he have possibly meant? To find

3:00

the answer, we're going to hear the story of how a

3:02

small group of climate change skeptics battled

3:04

the global warming establishment and

3:07

in the process changed the course of the

3:09

world's economy.

3:20

You can't exclude the possibility

3:22

that someone from cru

3:25

was the hacker.

3:26

We were never given anti information

3:28

that corroborated or break in.

3:30

He was a lone wolf, partisan

3:33

hacker, and I did you know, I shared it

3:35

with anti terrorist squad.

3:38

That it probably was an insider.

3:42

That's about as specific

3:45

as I can get.

3:48

On a cold December night in two thousand and seven,

3:51

Steve McIntyre made his way to a restaurant

3:53

in downtown San Francisco. A

3:56

sixty year old, partly balding, gray

3:58

bearded Canadian, Steve couldn't

4:00

have known that he was about to join the team that

4:02

would force the biggest science heist in

4:04

history. Visiting

4:06

the Bay Area for a climate conference, Steve

4:09

had recently won the award for Best Science

4:11

Blog and was grabbing dinner with three locals

4:13

who were regular readers of his blog Climate

4:16

on It. He was quickly becoming a

4:18

rock star amongst a group of global warming skeptics

4:20

that considered themselves lukewarmers,

4:23

people that believe humans could be warming the planet,

4:25

but questioned the magnitude of the problem and

4:27

the certainty of climate science. They weren't

4:30

science deniers, as their critics would say, they

4:32

were just curious. Steve

4:34

Fill into climate science completely by chance.

4:38

I became interested in climate

4:42

in a very casual way in

4:46

two thousand and two when Canada

4:48

was discussing joining the Kyoto

4:50

Treaty.

4:51

Countries that joined the Kyoto Treaty had to commit

4:53

to reducing their carbon dioxide emissions.

4:55

And one of the feature art

4:58

arguments of the Canadian government that

5:01

nineteen ninety eight was the warmest

5:03

year in one thousand years,

5:05

And I wondered, in the most casual

5:08

possible way, how

5:10

they knew.

5:11

That Steve wasn't a climate scientist

5:13

by trade. He was a consultant on mining

5:15

exploration projects, but he discussed

5:18

global warming from time to time with a friend that was

5:20

a geologist, and this friend told him

5:22

that throughout geological history, climate

5:24

was much warmer in the past than it is today.

5:27

And he viewed the climate

5:29

science alarm as being more

5:31

or less equivalent to creationism.

5:34

So out of curiosity, Steve read the climate

5:36

studies claiming nineteen ninety eight was the warmest

5:39

year. The reports weren't foreign to

5:41

him, Steve was accustomed to reading

5:43

technical papers for risky mining explorations.

5:46

When you reviewed the documents, a specific

5:48

diagram stood.

5:49

Out, and I was truck by the

5:52

care with which they had made

5:55

the diagram. When you're trying to raise

5:57

money, having good diagrams is important,

6:00

and I noticed

6:02

that there was attention to the

6:04

graphics, so there was a promotional element

6:07

to it, which caught my eye.

6:08

The diagram had a distinctive shape

6:11

picture a hockey stick placed flat

6:13

on the ground with just the blade of the hockey

6:15

stick pointing up to the sky. That's

6:17

what this global warming diagram looked

6:20

like. The flat shaft part of

6:22

the stick represented temperature changes over

6:24

the past thousand years, which looked

6:26

pretty constant. Over time until the nineteen

6:28

hundreds, when the graph dramatically shot

6:30

up like the blade of the hockey stick. This

6:33

hockey stick graph was originally created

6:35

by American climate scientist Michael Mann

6:38

with several of his colleagues. One

6:40

of the papers introducing the graph was titled

6:42

Northern Hemisphere Temperatures during the past

6:44

millennium, but it was the subtitle

6:47

that was the most noteworthy. It read Inferences,

6:50

Uncertainties and limitations. Given

6:53

the admitted uncertainties expressed in the

6:55

subtitle, it's hard to believe the hockey

6:57

stick graph would become the poster child

6:59

of certain d of global warming, but it

7:01

would become just that. Pay

7:03

close attention here, because if you could understand

7:06

what I'm about to say, you'll know more about

7:08

climate science than ninety nine percent of the

7:10

people in the world. This

7:14

famous hockey stick graph shows the Earth's

7:16

temperature variations over the past thousand

7:18

years. The problem is there

7:21

were no thermometers a thousand years ago

7:23

all over the Earth to capture the temperatures.

7:26

In fact, it isn't until the late eighteen

7:28

hundreds that we have any thermometer based

7:30

record of temperatures around the world. So

7:33

to fill in Earth's temperatures before this time,

7:35

before the eighteen hundreds, some climate

7:37

scientists turn to trees. These

7:40

scientists believe that some old trees

7:42

record past temperatures in their growth

7:45

pattern. Picture cutting across

7:47

section of a tree and looking at that cross

7:49

section. What you see your tree rings, right.

7:52

Those are the concentric circles that start small

7:54

in the center of the cross section, then get larger

7:57

and larger as they reach the surface of the tree

7:59

trunk. You can typically estimate

8:01

the age of a tree by analyzing these tree

8:03

rings. The older the tree, the more

8:05

tree rings it has. We're all pretty

8:08

familiar with that concept, but some climate

8:10

scientists believe that you can go even further

8:12

and calculate the temperature from year to year

8:14

using these tree rings. Simplistically

8:17

speaking, the more growth of a tree ring, the

8:19

hotter the temperature, basically providing

8:21

a picture of past temperatures when thermometers

8:24

weren't around. So some climate scientists

8:26

use these tree rings to calculate and find the

8:28

temperatures all across the world before

8:30

the eighteen hundreds. What was alarming

8:32

about the graph was that the increase in temperature

8:35

coincided closely with the beginning of the

8:37

industrial Revolution, which started

8:39

at about eighteen fifty. If

8:42

true, the world's temperature increase

8:44

could be tied directly to the beginning of humans

8:46

burning fossil fuels. Theories

8:53

of human induced climate change had been around

8:55

long before Michael Mann's hockeystick graph,

8:58

but his diagram gave the first powerful

9:00

graphical image of global warming, so

9:02

powerful that the United Nations used

9:04

a version of it in their two thousand and one Climate

9:07

Report. This was the document

9:09

that gives guidance to governments on which policies

9:11

to enact to reduce the effects of global

9:13

warming. The hockey stick graph became

9:16

iconic and galvanized environmentalists

9:18

to call for urgent government action on

9:20

global warming. But

9:23

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9:25

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back to red Pilled America. So

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the hockeystick graph galvanized the global

10:47

warming community, but it also had another effect.

10:50

Just as quickly as the graph was used as a rallying

10:52

call for global warming activists. It

10:54

gave birth to a camp of skeptics.

10:59

That's where the Canadian and Steve McIntyre enters

11:01

the picture. The hockey stick graph

11:03

confused Steve. A well known

11:05

medieval warming period where Earth's temperatures

11:08

increased considerably sometime between

11:10

the year one thousand a D and thirteen hundred

11:12

a D, followed by a cooling trend known

11:14

as the Little Ice Age, was widely accepted

11:17

in the science community and suggested that

11:19

Earth went through natural phases of warming and cooling,

11:21

but these events appeared to be absent from

11:24

the hockey stick MacIntyre

11:30

was curious about how the graph was made and

11:32

his chance would have it. The discipline of reconstructing

11:34

temperatures using tree rings, largely

11:37

in exercise and statistics, fit

11:39

right within his mathematics background. Steve

11:42

was a math whiz in his early years.

11:44

I studied pure math at university. I

11:46

mean I had studied first in Canada in

11:48

the High School Math Contest and the International

11:51

High School Math Contest, so it was a form

11:53

of almost athletic

11:55

activity for me.

11:57

Steve studied economics at Oxford and

11:59

had been offered a pe HD scholarship at both

12:01

Harvard and MIT, but after his university

12:03

studies, he decided to enter the private sector

12:05

instead of academia.

12:07

I hadn't done any maths since I was

12:10

twenty one or twenty two, but because

12:12

I'd learned it well as a teenager. The

12:15

comparison that I made, it's like you

12:17

were a Davis Cup

12:20

tennis player and going

12:22

in a club tournament when you're fifty five,

12:24

you'd be a tough out. Even if you hadn't played

12:27

for a long time, you

12:30

could pick it up fairly quickly.

12:32

His work in mining exploration also

12:34

prepared him in another way.

12:35

In the mining exploration business,

12:38

there's a lot of promotion, there's a lot

12:40

of crookedness. So

12:43

you learned to be fairly skeptical

12:46

and wary and to

12:49

look at data and look at what people

12:51

are saying and not

12:53

necessarily believe everything you're told.

12:56

And so I had an

12:58

i for promotional claims

13:01

or claims that were not necessarily

13:04

supported. So while

13:06

I hadn't spent that time in academics,

13:09

I spent time with

13:12

tricky people and learning

13:14

how to, you know, check things.

13:17

So he decided to reach out to American climate

13:19

scientist Michael Mann to get his hands on the

13:21

data and computer code that he used to create

13:23

the hockey stick graph.

13:31

So I emailed Banded for his

13:33

data, and he said that he

13:36

responded promptly and said

13:39

that he had forgotten where the

13:41

FTP site for the data was.

13:43

An FTP site is an online location

13:45

where people store data and computer files

13:48

for colleagues to access over the Internet.

13:50

It seemed extraordinary to me that, you

13:52

know, the data was not readily at

13:54

hand. And it

13:57

also seemed particularly extraordinary to

13:59

me because a thirty five year

14:01

old guy who's this

14:04

was his study, that was his claim to fame,

14:06

how he wouldn't know at his

14:09

fingertips where the data

14:11

was.

14:11

If the hockey stick data wasn't readily

14:13

available, It told Steve something else.

14:16

What that meant to me is that nobody had audited

14:19

the data.

14:20

This was stunding to Steve. The

14:22

un was using the hockey stick graph to

14:24

argue a reconfiguration of the entire

14:27

world's economy. Steve couldn't

14:29

understand how such important data was

14:31

not readily available and seemingly not

14:33

being reviewed with a skeptical eye.

14:36

And I thought, well, if none

14:38

of them have audited it, I

14:40

will The

14:44

image that I put was,

14:46

well, I'll try to figure out what Man

14:48

did, and I viewed it as trying

14:50

to solve a big crossway puzzle.

14:52

The decision wasn't a political one for Steve

14:55

at the time. He considered himself a Bill Clinton

14:57

Democrat. He was just curious and

14:59

had some time on his hands. Michael

15:01

Man's associate eventually got Steve a version

15:04

of the data that created his hockey stick, and

15:06

once Steve began reviewing it, he thought he

15:08

saw some red flags.

15:09

I started looking at some of the data and

15:12

wasn't entirely clear where the

15:15

shape of the hockey stick came from.

15:17

He became suspicious that they were possibly

15:19

cherry picking the temperature data so that a hockey

15:22

stick would result no matter what data was entered

15:24

into the climate model. To test

15:26

his theory, he input random data called

15:28

red noise into a climate model

15:31

and out popped a hockey stick graph. Steve

15:33

began posting some of his analysis in skeptic

15:36

chat groups online. His work immediately

15:38

stood out because his analysis was not based

15:40

on emotion. Instead, it was data

15:43

driven, and he learned something surprising

15:45

about the people that liked his work.

15:47

A lot of skeptics, I guess would be

15:49

people like me who felt

15:52

that climate was an issue, but

15:54

were concerned that it was being oversold

15:56

as an as shoe.

15:57

His posts led to a small science journal

16:00

asking him to write an article. He'd never written

16:02

an academic paper before, so he teamed

16:04

up with an academic he met in the skeptic chat

16:06

rooms. That person was Ross McKittrick,

16:09

an environmental economist and a PhD in

16:11

economics who'd authored a book skeptical

16:13

about global warming. The two

16:15

worked on papers evaluating michael Mann's original

16:18

hockey stick graph, highlighting what they saw

16:20

as his errors, and using the data. In

16:22

two thousand and four, some of their findings

16:24

forced michael Mann and his colleagues to publish

16:26

corrections to their original hockey stick paper.

16:29

However, they didn't change any of their underlying

16:31

results. But the skeptics work drue

16:33

blood, so climate scientists started

16:35

a blog called Real Climate to debunk

16:38

their detractors.

16:39

They began their existence

16:42

with a series of logs slagging

16:44

me. Somebody who was following

16:47

sent me an email and you know, if you think you

16:49

can win your disputes

16:51

in the sort of academic journals, you're getting

16:53

killed.

16:56

Steve had a pretty amateurish website at

16:58

the time.

17:00

Somebody set up a book sort of proposed

17:03

the name Climate Audit, and

17:05

proposed that a start a blog, and

17:08

it was already arranged to start up

17:10

the blog, you know, to kind of get set up

17:12

for me. And I started writing

17:14

and found that I liked it.

17:15

These dueling websites began a daily

17:17

online battle between climate scientists

17:20

and global warming skeptics. One of

17:22

the main contention points between these two camps

17:24

has been a concept known as divergence.

17:30

Some climate scientists noticed a problem

17:32

using tree rings to calculate today's

17:34

temperatures. What they found was

17:36

that some tree rings showed a decrease

17:38

in temperatures starting at around nineteen sixty

17:41

one, while actual thermometer readings

17:43

showed a temperature increase. The

17:46

science and the thermometers weren't matching

17:48

up. So what the climate scientist did

17:50

in some of the hockey stick graphs was delete

17:52

the tree ring temperatures after nineteen

17:54

sixty one to hide the tree ring decline

17:57

in temperatures, replacing them with the

17:59

actual thermometer temperatures. Their

18:01

rationale was that the tree rings weren't

18:03

capturing today's higher temperatures. The

18:06

skeptics thought this was bad science and

18:08

why because it raised the question

18:10

that if the tree rings aren't recording the higher

18:12

temperatures of today, couldn't tree rings

18:15

have also missed higher temperatures in the past

18:17

as well. Today's spike in temperatures

18:19

could have also been there one thousand years

18:22

ago, meaning today's high temperatures

18:24

weren't unprecedented. This divergence

18:26

appeared to show a serious problem with some

18:28

of the science behind the hockey stick graphs.

18:31

Steve McIntyre asked Michael Mann to

18:33

provide more of the data and computer codes

18:35

used to create his hockey stick graphs, but

18:38

by then Michael Man had completely cut

18:40

Steve off. Their

18:44

feud began reaching the mainstream media.

18:47

The Wall Street Journal writes an article and

18:50

that catches the eye of the

18:52

House Energy and

18:55

Commerce.

18:55

Committee, and in two thousand and six a series

18:57

of government hearings began questioning climates

19:00

and asking if they were in fact cherry picking

19:02

data to create the hockey stick graph.

19:04

I remember Rosanne Derigo, one

19:07

of the famous tree ring people, talked

19:09

about cherry picking and said, you

19:11

have to pick cherries if you want to make cherry

19:14

pie. And I

19:16

thought that that neatly summarized the

19:18

approach of the tree ring people.

19:20

In other words, it sounded like the scientists

19:23

were cherry picking the data to get the results

19:25

they wanted a hockey stick. Steve

19:27

chronicled the hearings and his analysis

19:30

on his blog Climate Audit, and his readership

19:32

grew.

19:34

My audience was highly

19:36

professional, a lot of scientists

19:39

from other fields, a

19:41

lot of people in finance

19:44

businesses, a lot of computer programmers,

19:48

business professionals, people

19:50

who didn't have the time to parse

19:53

the data themselves but were interested

19:56

in reading about it.

19:57

Readers like San Francisco native Steve

19:59

Mosher, an open source software developer.

20:01

Mosher was aligned with most of what climate

20:04

scientists believed, but when he began questioning

20:06

some of their work at their blog Real Climate, he

20:08

got a very negative response, you know.

20:10

And it kind of shocked me, you

20:12

know, so I pushed back against that. And then

20:16

at some point they they

20:18

were railing about this guy at

20:21

Climate Audit, and I thought,

20:23

let me, let me go look and see what this is.

20:27

So I went over to Climate Audit, and

20:31

you know, like he was doing math.

20:33

Mosher liked Steve McIntyre's desire

20:35

for transparency in climate science and became

20:37

a regular commenter on his blog The

20:40

online feud also drew in Charles

20:42

Roder, another San Francisco native.

20:44

I had sort of gotten drawn to the whole

20:47

climate argument, and it really

20:49

started heating up on that entire site,

20:52

you know, two thousand and six,

20:54

two thousand and seven, and it became fun,

20:57

serial drama, like an online community.

21:00

Another reader, Anthony Watts, lived

21:02

just north of San Francisco. Anthony

21:04

was actually a global warming activist back

21:06

in the early nineteen nineties.

21:08

I came up with this idea of doing

21:11

a series of promotions

21:14

to television meteoromeicists around the country

21:16

to get their viewers to plant

21:18

trees offset ce of two, and

21:20

we planted about a half a million trees

21:23

because of that.

21:24

He'd spent years as a research assistant in the

21:26

meteorology department at Purdue University.

21:28

In two thousand and six, he started a science

21:31

blog called What's Up with That and began

21:33

investigating the thermometers that were measuring

21:35

global warming and what he found

21:37

shocked him. More of Red Pilled

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22:57

So Anthony Watts began to investigate how stations

23:00

were measuring global warming and what he found

23:02

shocked him.

23:03

It really began to start taking off in two

23:05

thousand and seven, and that's when I started servying

23:08

weather stations around the country, and

23:11

it got quite a bit

23:13

of attention, particularly from a

23:15

station in Marysville, California, not

23:18

too far from me that i'd surveyed, and it

23:20

was basically a thermometer right in the middle

23:22

of a parking lot at the fire station. It

23:25

had vehicles parking

23:27

there. The fire chief parked his vehicle

23:29

in the special parking space right next

23:31

to the thermometer, where the grill of the fire

23:33

chief's truck was right up against the thermometer

23:35

a couple feet away, and there were the

23:38

city had rented out space for a

23:40

cell phone tower, and there was these two equipment

23:42

sheds blowing hot air from the air conditioning

23:45

vents all in this area.

23:47

And this particular thermometer had been showing

23:49

that Maryville's temperature had been increasing

23:51

off the charts.

23:53

And it was just zoom off the scale.

23:55

And I looked at nearby stations and the

23:58

similar trend wasn't there, and it was just another

24:00

light bulb moment for me. It's like, Wow,

24:03

this is where climate science

24:05

is measuring data and

24:07

they consider this accurate. And I put that

24:10

out and I got picked up by Steve McIntyre

24:12

climate.

24:12

Audit Anthony and the two other Bay

24:15

Area natives, Mosher and Charles, became

24:17

friendly with Steve McIntyre through his climate

24:19

audit blog. Most

24:23

you remembers how he met the guys for the first time.

24:25

At one point, McIntyre mentions

24:27

that he's going to be coming to San Francisco, and

24:31

one of the people on the site ends

24:33

up being Charles Roger. His nickname

24:36

was Geez, and he says, Oh, if you're coming

24:38

to San Francisco,

24:41

Steve McIntyre, why don't we get together for dinner?

24:44

And so I chimed in and I said, like, heck,

24:46

I'll join you. Because Anthony

24:48

showed up as well.

24:50

We had been talking online and

24:53

we decided to meet up, and so we

24:55

met at a restaurant in downtown

24:57

San Francisco in two thousand and seven in

24:59

December, and

25:02

that's where this friendship

25:05

and partnership was formed. Out of that.

25:08

Little did any of them know how pivotal that

25:10

dinner would be. Anthony

25:15

told the table that his skeptic blog Wats

25:18

Up with That was growing faster than he could handle.

25:20

Charles offered his help.

25:22

And I basically told him that I had

25:24

tons of experience moderating back

25:27

from my own site.

25:29

Days.

25:29

I also had lots of time in my hands and worked

25:32

from home, and I would be happy to give

25:34

him help moderating.

25:35

Anthony took him up on his offer. Charles

25:38

and Mosher hit it off as well and would become

25:40

roommates. These four and

25:42

the many commenters on their blogs would

25:44

meticulously audit the work of climate

25:46

scientists. The feud between the

25:48

two camps had been reaching epic proportions,

25:51

even spilling into Capitol Hill, But

25:53

what escalated the conflict further was

25:55

something basic in science, verification

25:58

of results. The climate scienceentists

26:00

refused to allow the skeptics access

26:02

to their work so that they could review it. Steve

26:04

McIntyre would ask for the data and computer code

26:07

used to create the hockey stick graphs, but at

26:09

every turn the climate scientists would Stonewaller's

26:11

requests, with Michael Mann completely

26:13

cutting him off. Steve looked to audit

26:16

the graphs of a different hockey stick team, the

26:18

climate scientist at the University of East

26:20

Anglia's Climate Research Unit, known

26:23

by its acronym CRU. When

26:26

politics enters science, the results

26:28

can only be trusted when qualified people

26:30

with a skeptical eye verifies

26:32

the work. By this time, Steve

26:34

McIntyre was a published author on the topic

26:36

of hockey stick graphs. He'd even become

26:39

a reviewer on the UN's Mother of All

26:41

Global Warming reports. None of that

26:43

mattered. CRU rejected his requests

26:45

for data, claiming that they had confidentiality

26:48

agreements with the countries that provided them

26:50

temperature data, and those agreements prohibited

26:52

them from giving out that information. But

26:55

Steve discovered that CRU had given

26:57

their data to another institution, which

26:59

typically knows if as a confidentiality agreement.

27:02

So Steve told them that they should be free

27:04

to give him the data, but CRU figured

27:06

out another way to reject him.

27:08

So they responded that their confidentiality

27:11

agreements prevented them

27:13

from giving the data to a non academic

27:16

Why would some agreement twenty

27:18

five years earlier include a term like

27:20

that if that was just a fabrication,

27:25

And you know, it's that kind

27:28

of fabrication by

27:30

the climate community that really

27:34

undercuts a lot of their claims

27:36

and other topics because that

27:38

something that easily checked people understand.

27:41

And so if they're lying about something like that,

27:43

what else are they lying about?

27:45

So Steve got an idea.

27:50

Both the UK and the United States enacted

27:52

freedom of information acts known by

27:55

their acronyms as FIS or foyas.

27:58

These laws provide access to him information

28:00

that was created using tax dollars.

28:03

Steve decided to use these laws to

28:05

get what he wanted. He

28:08

submitted FOI requests to climate

28:10

researchers asking for the confidentiality

28:13

agreements they claimed to have with five

28:15

different countries. Then he

28:17

turned to his blog audience, and then.

28:19

I posted up my letter and asked readers

28:22

to send in FOI

28:25

requests for other countries. I viewed

28:27

it more as sort of a letter writing campaign

28:29

that it was just me asking for

28:32

it. They would just say, oh, well, that's McIntyre,

28:35

he's crazy. Whereas

28:38

if you know, they got fifty letters

28:40

that they would then sort of have to They

28:42

would then have to reconsider what

28:45

they were doing and maybe they'd give it out after

28:47

all. I probably

28:51

underestimated their stubbornness

28:53

on this.

28:54

Cru rejected his requests again.

28:57

But all these attempts at trying to get the data sent

28:59

Steve McIntyre's Climate Adit readers

29:01

on a hunting expedition. You

29:04

see, Steve had been taking these readers

29:06

on a journey, slowly teaching his audience

29:08

all along the way about the uncertainties

29:11

and climate science journaling the specific

29:13

data he was being refused. Their stonewalling

29:16

riled up his audience. Getting the data

29:18

became a game of capture the flag. At

29:21

the time of the rejection, many readers

29:23

began to learn that CRU had an

29:25

online data storage location, an

29:27

FTP site, and they began rummaging

29:29

through them to see if they could find the data that

29:31

they were refusing to give Steve.

29:33

And I remember a couple of them saying that

29:35

they fell into areas

29:39

of that They fell into areas of

29:41

the CRU website that

29:43

were unexpected.

29:45

Steve's readers were actually finding

29:47

themselves in private areas on

29:49

the Climate Researcher's website.

29:52

Their data appeared vulnerable, the

29:54

vulnerability that would change the course

29:56

of the world's economy.

29:59

Sometimes busy defending the front

30:01

door, if I get the back doors open.

30:03

At about five pm on November seventeenth,

30:05

two thousand and nine, Mosher was heading home

30:07

from a coffee shop when he got a call.

30:09

Charles and I lived south of Market

30:12

on on Fourth Street, and

30:14

I was over in the Marina on the other

30:16

side of San Francisco. I

30:19

was there having coffee with friends.

30:22

I'm headed home and I got

30:24

into a cab to go back to Soma

30:27

and Charles calls me and

30:29

he was like, where are you? And I said,

30:31

well, I'm you know, I'm over

30:34

in the marina. I'm headed. I'm headed back

30:36

to the apartment. What's up? And

30:39

he says, well, you got to get here.

30:41

Since meeting at dinner in San Francisco two

30:43

years earlier, Charles had become the primary

30:45

comment moderator at Anthony Watt's skeptic

30:47

blog What's up with that?

30:49

You know?

30:49

And I was keeping a lot of hours, so I might

30:51

sleep for three hours and not sleep for three hours,

30:54

but I was constantly online, approving comments,

30:56

making flipping comments.

30:57

That afternoon, he came across a comment

30:59

on the site that stood out. A commenter

31:02

named Foya posted a link to a Russian

31:04

server with text that appeared to

31:06

be snippets of emails. At the time

31:09

Anthony Watches out of the country.

31:11

I had been art in Belgium

31:13

at the time. I was at the headquarters for

31:15

the European Union and I were there to give a presentation

31:18

along with some other climate skeptics.

31:20

So Charles was manning the site on his own.

31:23

The comment looked weird, so he blocked it from going

31:25

public and went to the Russian link to see

31:27

what it was. It

31:32

was a ZIP file of what appeared to be documents

31:34

and emails from CRU, the Climate

31:37

Research Unit. When he reviewed the

31:39

contents, his first thought was, holy

31:43

was.

31:43

What was going through my mind. It was a

31:45

real treasure trove of showing what,

31:48

you know, was essentially just

31:51

activist science operating not

31:53

you know, not objective, not reasonable.

31:57

You know, I'm not going to call it completely fraudulent or

31:59

hoes, but it was extremely It was like

32:01

activist scientists as we're now

32:03

experienced with activist journalism. Yes,

32:06

people are still telling facts, but they're doing

32:08

it from such a skewed perspective that

32:11

you might as well call it lies. There

32:14

was the cause. They were actually saying

32:16

that some of this, you know, if this guy says

32:18

this, it's not going to be helpful to the

32:21

cause. That's

32:23

not scientific inquiry.

32:24

This was a highly sensitive situation.

32:27

The files were likely either leaked by an

32:29

insider or stolen, or perhaps

32:31

something even more problematic. Charles

32:34

contacted Anthony to get some direction.

32:36

And this came in an email

32:38

to me from Charles Rotter. You need to look at this, and

32:41

he told me in the email what

32:43

was going on? And I got on the phone with him, And

32:46

this was a couple hours before I was supposed to go

32:48

into the EU, and I had been forewarned

32:51

about security and I'm going to be searched

32:53

and all this stuff. And

32:55

so in seeing

32:58

what Charles had and actually

33:00

downloading it and looking at it briefly myself,

33:03

and then looking at the timing of it all, I'm

33:05

thinking to myself, why

33:08

now, why right before I'm supposed

33:10

to go into the EU and go through security.

33:12

And so my concern was is that somehow

33:15

I was being set up.

33:16

I didn't know, and we were very worried

33:18

that this was a setup because Anthony at this

33:21

point was getting a lot of notoriety,

33:24

and who knows what kind of data

33:27

theft and libel laws and things existed

33:29

in Europe that they could nail Anthony on

33:31

if he was found with this thing.

33:33

All of a sudden, I had in my position on my laptop

33:36

over there in Belgium these

33:38

very sensitive files and I

33:40

was going to go into this big security test

33:42

here in a couple hours, and so my thought

33:45

was, I need to divest myself

33:47

in this file. And I purchased

33:49

a professional file

33:53

eraser, and I told Charles

33:55

that under no circumstances are you to

33:57

release this on the blog or anything,

34:00

because I need to get back into the United States

34:02

and I don't want to be listed as someone

34:04

who's been involved in some kind of industrial

34:06

lespianade or anything like that. And

34:09

so he agreed to that.

34:10

Charles had strict direction not to publish

34:12

the files, but was given the okay to talk about

34:14

them with two people, the other two from their San Francisco

34:17

dinner two years earlier, Mosher and

34:19

Steve McIntyre.

34:20

And so I also called

34:23

my roommate, Stephen Moser.

34:25

Mosher was fully versed in the raging feud

34:27

between the skeptics and climate scientists over

34:29

the access to data encode, and he

34:31

was the only person that could authenticate

34:33

the contents without Charles losing control

34:35

of the files.

34:37

And so what he told me is he got this link

34:39

in this comment, and so he told

34:42

me he downloaded the contents,

34:45

and so Charles Saint

34:47

Anthony wanted me to look at it, but

34:49

he was concerned that someone had put it on his site

34:52

to trap him, essentially, and

34:55

that was fake.

34:56

When Mosher walked in the door, Charles

34:58

was waiting for him, and made him say the

35:00

files.

35:01

By that point, I'd already done all the virus scans

35:04

and trojan scans and made sure it was

35:06

clean.

35:07

So I took the CD and I put it on my UH.

35:10

At that point, I had an Apple computer I

35:13

had, and I sat on the couch and

35:16

I started reading. And

35:20

I didn't stop reading, and I didn't I didn't

35:22

move, and I didn't eat, and

35:26

I just read everything.

35:27

What was in the leaked documents was shocking

35:30

climate scientists massaging data and

35:32

appearing to pressure colleagues to change

35:34

their results so they wouldn't give ammunition to

35:36

skeptics. Climate scientists appearing

35:38

to collude to delete emails withhold

35:41

data and limit the scientific review of

35:43

their work, and studying admissions of doubt

35:45

and uncertainty in their methods. As

35:48

Joe Biden would say, this was a big

35:50

fun deal. Mosher,

35:57

Charles, and Anthony all thought that they were the

35:59

only people that had the file, so they felt

36:01

they had some time to think about what to do next. And

36:03

anyways, they couldn't do anything with the files

36:05

until Anthony was back on American soil, so

36:08

their first mission was to figure out if the files

36:10

were authentic. As they come through the documents.

36:13

In those first few hours, they noticed climate

36:15

scientists had forwarded emails from Steve McIntyre.

36:18

So they got on the phone with Steve.

36:19

Mosher calls me because he

36:22

sees some emails from me, and

36:25

and nobody knows that the first

36:27

at the beginning, whether it's real or not. And

36:30

so he said, he called me, you know, are

36:32

those sure your emails? And

36:36

I confirmed their authenticity.

36:39

Now they knew that some of the emails were

36:41

definitely real, but they weren't sure

36:43

that they were all real. Mosher

36:46

went non stop reading the emails for the next

36:48

day, spending hours on the phone with Steve

36:50

McIntyre trying to confirm their authenticity.

36:53

Then they got a break. A professor at

36:55

the University of East Anglia emailed Steve

36:57

McIntyre asking if he knew anything about

36:59

it hack of their climate research unit.

37:02

So, you know, I said, there's some big lockdown at the

37:04

university.

37:05

This was the sign they needed. The files

37:07

were real, but they couldn't go public yet.

37:10

Anthony Watts was still not on American

37:12

soil. Mosher was chomping at the bit

37:14

to go live. Charles had to hold

37:16

the line.

37:17

Yeah, I was just calmly making coffee

37:19

in the kitchen and just telling them that if

37:21

this is important as we think it is, two

37:23

or three days is not.

37:24

Going to matter.

37:25

With Anthony now in a flight pattern heading

37:27

for Dulles International Airport in Virginia,

37:30

Mosher had been reading the emails for almost

37:32

two days straight. That's when they got

37:34

an idea to search the internet to

37:36

see if the hacker posted the Russian link

37:38

anywhere else.

37:39

And at that point I think Charles started looking

37:42

and he found the same link

37:45

when you search for that link, like

37:48

he found out at Jeff's.

37:49

Jeff Condon, an aeronautical engineer,

37:51

had started a Luke Warmer site called the air Vent

37:54

a little over a year earlier. He began

37:56

the blog to translate some of Steve McIntyre's

37:58

climate analysis for a non technical

38:01

audience. Jeff, like the rest

38:03

of the Lukewarmers, believed that transparency

38:05

in climate science was key.

38:07

The whole purpose of our climate blogs

38:09

was to put everything in

38:11

the open where people can see the information,

38:14

and there was some efforts on

38:16

the science community not to allow

38:19

access.

38:20

This belief made his website a trigger

38:22

for the bombshell The

38:25

hacker came to be known as mister Foya.

38:27

The first time we could see him infiltrate CRU's

38:30

data server was on September sixteenth,

38:32

two thousand and nine, just a few weeks after

38:34

the Climate Research Unit denied Steve McIntyre's

38:37

request for their confidentiality agreements.

38:40

Mister Foya infiltrated CRU's servers

38:42

again on September twenty eighth, then September

38:44

twenty ninth, and September thirtieth. He was

38:46

grabbing documents related to the hockey stick

38:48

graph. Mister Foya infiltrated

38:51

again on October first, and then again on October

38:53

second. In October third, he appeared

38:55

to be looking for something, but.

38:57

What wonder what it was?

38:59

It was an interesting who was it?

39:02

It was the data

39:04

that had been the topic

39:06

of the fight about years before that

39:08

man had refused to provide me.

39:10

The infiltrator founded on November sixteenth,

39:13

It would be a matter of hours before the files

39:15

hit the web. The next day, mister

39:17

Foya gained access to the climate scientists

39:20

blog Real Climate, locked out

39:22

all other users and uploaded the stolen

39:24

CRIU files to their site. Mister

39:27

Foya then went to Steve McIntyre's blog

39:29

and posted a comment with a link to the file he'd

39:31

just uploaded, and included the text

39:34

quote A miracle just happened. This

39:37

guy was a prankster with balls. The

39:39

administrator of Real Climate quickly regained

39:42

access to the blog and deleted the file from

39:44

public view. With the link

39:46

to the stolen files now gone, mister

39:48

Foya went another route to leak the files. He

39:51

uploaded the files to a Russian server, then

39:53

posted a link to the files on both Anthony

39:55

Watt's blog What's Up with That and Jeff

39:57

Condon's The air Vent. As we already

39:59

know, the comment on What's Up with That

40:02

was held in moderation. Jeff Condon,

40:04

however, had a different philosophy for his site.

40:07

Okay, so in the spirit of openness,

40:09

I mean the air Vent was the site where I

40:12

literally didn't do any moderation.

40:14

I would let any comment go on the site,

40:17

and so if somebody dropped a comment

40:19

on there, it was immediately visible to any

40:21

reader.

40:22

At the time that mister Foyer posted a link

40:24

to the stolen files on his website, Jeff

40:26

was practically as far away from the heat of

40:28

the climate debate as you can be.

40:30

Yeah, was out.

40:31

I was out in the deep Woods, hunting deer

40:34

up north in Michigan, where there was

40:36

actually no phone service, no cell phone service,

40:38

no Internet.

40:40

The link to the stolen files sat in his comment

40:42

section for two days while Jeff was

40:44

in the middle of nowhere. So when Charles told

40:46

Moscher he found a link to the files on Jeff's

40:49

site, the game changed for Mosher. He

40:51

reached out to Anthony Watts, who is now in line

40:53

at US Customs.

40:54

By this point.

40:55

Then then I said, Hey, the cat's

40:57

out of the back. So I went to anting

41:00

and I said like, hey, I you know, like I

41:02

promised you that I would not post

41:04

them anywhere or send them to

41:06

anyone, show them to anyone.

41:09

But now that we know that

41:12

your place is not the only place,

41:15

you know, like our agreements off.

41:16

Most of you began posting excerpts of the emails

41:19

at a small skeptic site, and the Lukewarmer

41:21

community started buzzing. The biggest

41:23

story in global warming history was about to break.

41:25

I'm in line to

41:28

go through Customs, and I'm getting text messages

41:30

from Charles and Steven Mosher and

41:34

from Steve McIntyre, and they're

41:36

starting to talk about this, And

41:39

I remember saying back to McIntyre.

41:42

The whole thing's got to be a hoax, And that was just sort

41:44

of a preemptive, you

41:46

know, in case somebody grabbed my phone. I

41:48

was it didn't look complicit, you know, And

41:51

so I got through customs. And once I got through customs

41:54

and I'm back on us soil. The

41:56

first thing I did was find Wi Fi, sat down

41:58

and I wrote the story. And

42:00

I wrote the stories sitting on the floor

42:03

at Dallas Airport waiting for my gate

42:06

flight to depart. I heard them

42:08

saying last call for boarding, and

42:10

I hit send and published, and I'm

42:13

running for the door. I got on the plane

42:16

and then I had a four five

42:19

hour flight back to Sacramento,

42:22

California. And that was a time when

42:24

there was no Wi Fi on airplane, and so it

42:27

was kind of a what have I done?

42:31

Kind of a moment.

42:33

With the biggest skeptic blog in the world now

42:35

covering the story, it went viral. A

42:38

reader on What's Up with That dubbed the scandal

42:40

climategate. The name stuck. It

42:42

was a bombshell, climate

42:44

Gate.

42:45

They're calling it a new scandal over global

42:47

warming, and it's burning up the internet.

42:49

Have the books been cooked? On climate

42:51

change hot topic.

42:54

Did scientists skew their research to support

42:56

theories about global warming?

42:58

Because this is a world why hoax,

43:01

and its primary target was you, the

43:03

people of the United States of America. Now we

43:05

find out that this institute

43:08

in fact was hiding from the people

43:10

of Great Britain in the world that, in fact,

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climate change is.

43:13

A hoax, something I've been saying for a long time.

43:16

Those who doubt that man made greenhouse gases

43:18

are changing the climate say These

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emails from Britain's University of East

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Anglia show climate scientists

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massaging data and suppressing

43:27

studies by those who disagree.

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One of the most damning email exchanges credits

43:31

man with a trick to hide the decline

43:33

in temperatures. In another, the head of the National

43:36

Center for Atmospheric Research rights

43:38

a colleague. The fact is we can't account

43:40

for the lack of warming at the moment, and

43:42

it is a travesty that we can't.

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A scandal even reached into pop culture, hitting

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the news desk of John Stewart.

43:48

I've just completed Mike's Nature trick

43:51

of adding in the real tempts to each

43:53

series for the last twenty years. IE from

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nineteen eighty one onwards and from nineteen

43:58

sixty one. For Keith's to

44:00

hide the decline.

44:02

I say it's nothing.

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He was just using a trick to hide

44:07

the decline.

44:09

It's just scientists speak for using

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a standard statistical technique recalibrating

44:14

data in order to.

44:17

Tricked you.

44:19

Into not knowing about the decline.

44:22

The leaked documents didn't debunk human

44:24

cause global warming, but climate gate did

44:26

uncover serious issues with climate science.

44:29

It's bias, its attempt to avoid scrutiny,

44:32

its refusal to show its work to skeptics,

44:34

its odd massaging of data, and the uncertainties

44:37

of the hockey stick graph. This could all

44:39

be seen in the emails. Mister

44:44

Foya, the leaker of the files, was

44:46

never caught. UK law enforcement

44:48

closed its case after two and a half years

44:50

with no suspects. Apparently

44:53

mister Foya wiped his trace clean.

44:57

For a brief moment, it appeared change

44:59

was coming global warming. Media chastised

45:02

the scientists involved in the scandal and called

45:04

for a new transparency in their work. A

45:06

few climate scientists even became skeptics,

45:08

including doctor Judith Curry.

45:10

I thank the Chairman the ranking members for

45:12

the opportunity to offer testimony

45:14

today. Prior to two

45:16

thousand and nine, I felt that supporting

45:19

the IPCC consensus on

45:21

climate change was a responsible

45:23

thing to do. I bought into

45:25

the argument, don't trust what one

45:27

scientist says, trust what an international

45:30

team of a thousand scientists has said.

45:32

After years of careful deliberation, that

45:35

all changed for me in November two thousand and nine,

45:38

following the leak Climategate emails

45:40

that illustrated the sausage making

45:42

and even bullying that went into

45:44

building the consensus.

45:46

But the calls for reform didn't last.

45:49

The establishment managed to put up all its defenses.

45:52

Then slowly the establishment crushed

45:54

it.

45:54

And several investigations concluded

45:57

largely exonerating the climate scientists.

46:00

After all was done, they proceeded to

46:02

go right back to the practices that led

46:04

to the leak in the first place.

46:05

The climate scientists community has become

46:08

angrier as a result of it.

46:11

Afterwards, they doubled

46:14

down in becoming even

46:16

more insular. Their reaction

46:19

was not to blame themselves

46:22

for their language, but they blamed that.

46:24

They blamed skeptics for sort

46:27

of putting pressure on them, which caused

46:29

them to write bad I mean, I thought that the

46:31

people ought to have disowned

46:34

the practice of deleting data

46:36

to hide the apply, but they didn't

46:39

do that. They blamed skeptics

46:42

for asking questions.

46:44

Climate scientists returned to calling skeptics

46:46

science deniers, a label meant to

46:48

marginalize lukewarmers like Anthony Watts,

46:51

because the truth of their position is harder

46:53

to combat.

46:54

I believe that carbon dioxide does

46:56

have an effect on the temperature of the Earth. The

46:59

only real scientific question is

47:01

how much? And that question has

47:03

been in flux and unanswered

47:07

for over thirty years. It hasn't been nailed

47:09

down. How much temperature increase

47:11

do we get for a doubling of CO two

47:13

in Earth's atmosphere, and the estimate

47:16

range in science anywhere

47:18

from a half degree up to eight degrees. There's

47:21

no actual

47:23

number where everyone can say this is it,

47:25

this is the right number. They've not nailed

47:28

that down in thirty some years of climate

47:30

science and something that that uncertain.

47:33

How do you plan for the future, how do you say

47:35

we're in a crisis or not? And

47:38

that is the big question, and so yes,

47:40

I believe carbon dioxide has some effect.

47:42

How much is still a question.

47:51

Which brings us back to the question why

47:53

do so many people think global warming is

47:55

a hoax? The

47:58

answer is climate.

48:00

They probably see the email that was sent

48:02

a couple of months ago by one of the leaders of

48:04

global warming the initiative, and you

48:07

know, almost saying, I guess they're saying it's a con.

48:10

The hockey stick was considered to be gospel,

48:12

even with its scientific uncertainties. It

48:15

was then used as a weapon to try and punish

48:17

the US while leaving the biggest polluters

48:20

unscathed. To some that

48:22

might look a lot like a hoax. And

48:24

it was all stopped by a tiny collective

48:26

of bloggers. What this small

48:28

group of skeptics did was absolutely

48:31

incredible. The global warming establishment's

48:33

resistance to their constant auditing forced

48:36

the release of the Climagate files. The

48:38

message that those files delivered eventually

48:41

planted a seed in the mind of citizen

48:43

Trump that ultimately blossomed it to him

48:45

withdrawing from the Paris Accord once elected.

48:48

That decision altered the course of the

48:50

world's economy, and it could all be

48:52

tracked back to a few lukewarmers. That's

48:55

how big Climatgate was. But you

48:57

don't have to take my word for it. Believe

48:59

Trump's own work. It's just a few months after

49:01

climategate broke.

49:02

I think that the memorandum

49:05

or whatever it was that they found a few months

49:07

ago was devastating by the leaders

49:09

of the movement of global warming. I

49:11

think that was devastating because that basically

49:13

said, you people are a bunch of jerks

49:15

to follow us, and which is kidding.

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