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anti Semitism in all its forms, and

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In the Jewish community.

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There seems to be an unmistakable conclusion

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in America we have an anti Semitism

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problem.

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Wherever you drop the needle on the record of life,

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the media seems to report a new surge

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in this form of hate.

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Anti Semitic incidents are on the rise

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across the US.

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From a Los Angeles highway to an alleged

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threat to a New York City synagogue, anti

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Semitism is spreading.

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Anti Semitic threats are now at

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historic levels in this country.

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A report by the Anti Defamation League found

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that in twenty twenty two, anti

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Semitic incidents in the United States rose

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thirty six percent and

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all time high.

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With this form of hate persistently spreading

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throughout America, what can we do to

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stop the spread of anti Semitism?

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How do we stop the spread of anti Semitism?

2:08

To find the answer, We're going to tell the story

2:10

of the epic battle between Candice

2:12

Owens and the Daily Wire. You

2:15

may view the feud between this black female

2:17

conservative and the upstart streaming network

2:19

as just another petty squabble, but you'd

2:22

be wrong in that assessment. After taking

2:24

a deep dive into this conflict, it's

2:26

hard not to notice the profound cultural

2:28

moment it uncovers and the potential

2:30

solution it reveals that could help reverse

2:32

the spread of anti Semitism.

2:36

Turf wars are commonplace in American

2:38

industry. That's why they are a recurring

2:40

theme in Hollywood.

2:42

Don Barzini, I want to thank you for

2:44

having me organize this meeting today.

2:49

And also they are the heads of the five families

2:52

of New York, New Jersey.

2:54

In the nineteen seventy two masterpiece

2:56

film The Godfather, a turf war

2:58

breaks out after a rival crime box tries

3:00

and fails to knock off the head of the Corleone

3:02

family, one of the five mafia families

3:05

controlling organized crime in New York City.

3:08

When the identities of the would be assassins

3:10

are discovered, the son Michael Corleone

3:12

of the targeted mob boss, comes up with a

3:14

plan.

3:15

But if Clemenza can figure a way to

3:17

have a weapon planet there for they're

3:21

I'll kill them both.

3:22

Clemenza, a high ranking member of the

3:24

Corleone family, explains that

3:26

once Michael kills the assassins, a

3:28

turf war will naturally erupt.

3:30

You know, you're going to turn out all right.

3:32

You take a long vacation nobody knows where,

3:35

and we're going to catch that help.

3:36

How bad do you think it's going to be pretty goddamn

3:38

bed Probably all the other families will

3:40

line up against us.

3:42

That's a man. This isn't going to.

3:44

Happen every five years or so.

3:45

Ten years helps you get rid of the

3:47

bed blood for.

3:48

Ten years is the last.

3:50

From time to time, in real life, like on the big

3:52

screen, industry, feuds that develop

3:54

behind the scenes, bubble up to the surface

3:56

into full blown turf wars for everyone

3:58

to see, and consum servative media isn't

4:01

immune to this natural cycle. My guess

4:03

is, Andrew Breitbart, where does this go?

4:05

I mean, what do you want Glenn Beck to do? Or where

4:07

do you think this goes? At this point,

4:09

I don't care what he does because he's dead.

4:11

To me, he's

4:14

a snake. Everybody in the business

4:16

knows that he's a snake. Anyone won't

4:19

confront me on this.

4:20

David French has had his pictures of his

4:22

children put over the

4:24

faces of people in the gas chambers

4:26

of Auschwitz. I mean, horrible stuff.

4:29

And I don't blame that on Donald Trump, but I do

4:31

blame that quite honestly on Breitbart

4:33

and the neo wright for Breitbart.

4:36

I can say there are a lot of people inside and outside

4:38

Breitbart, who have been the victims

4:40

of Steve Bannon's tender mercies when

4:42

it comes to interpersonal relationships. But Steve likes

4:45

to think of himself as the big bear tearing

4:47

everybody else down because he's a big power player.

4:49

Big tech isn't bad with big con.

4:51

The people you thought, the people I thought

4:54

were fighting for you, A lot of

4:56

it has been a big con.

4:58

All right, our friend Steve. When Crowder

5:00

it is launched in an initiative called Stop Big Cohn

5:02

and a lot of people who are fans of The Daily Wire were

5:05

really offended by the things that Stephen said

5:07

in the video, and they're concerned that maybe we're doing

5:09

the wrong thing. I feel like Crowder really throws

5:11

under the bus.

5:12

It's a simple fact that turf wars are

5:14

a relatively common occurrence, typically

5:16

exposing a rivalry, jealousy, or

5:18

some type of business conflict. But

5:21

every once in a while, a feud comes

5:23

along that stands out from the rest.

5:25

Its appearance marks a pivotal awakening

5:28

and exposes a critical flaw in the

5:30

structure of an institution, a flaw

5:33

that most either didn't know existed or

5:35

simply avoided addressing. The

5:39

conflict between Candice Owans and The Daily

5:42

Wire is one of those illuminating family

5:44

feuds.

5:48

If Candace wants to say those things about the Jews

5:51

about Hitler, no matter how

5:53

she dodges and weaves, she has to leave

5:55

The Daily Wire.

5:57

At the beginning of Spring twenty twenty

5:59

four, Owen's and The Daily

6:01

Wire ended a roughly three year

6:03

business relationship, and almost immediately

6:05

after the breakup, The Daily Wire got

6:07

Biblical. In the wake of Kandas's

6:10

departure, political commentator Andrew

6:12

Claven gave his take on why the

6:14

black female conservative powerhouse

6:17

was forced to leave the network.

6:19

She has to leave for one reason

6:22

above every other. There are lots of reasons,

6:24

but the one reason she has to leave about

6:26

every other is because Christ is King.

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We cannot let him be defamed.

6:33

Clayman claimed that Candace's use

6:35

of the term Christ is King in

6:37

an exchange with Ben Shapiro crossed

6:40

the line into hate speech. This

6:42

was no small accusation. Andrew

6:45

Claven is not only one of the founding hosts

6:47

of The Daily Wire, He's also been positioned

6:49

as a wise, fatherly conservative figure

6:52

that possesses a very rare quality.

6:55

If Christians and Jews were mapped out on a vent

6:57

diagram, he'd reside in the small

6:59

overlap because Andrew Claven

7:02

is an ethnic Jew that famously

7:04

converted to Christianity, a story

7:06

that he told on Red Pilled America in twenty

7:08

nineteen. It's this unique quality

7:11

that made Claven the perfect vehicle

7:13

to deliver the reason why The Daily Wire

7:15

fired Candace, and

7:18

his explanation appeared designed to end

7:20

her career in media. Claven

7:23

accused Candace of being an anti Semite.

7:25

And no one is fooled except those

7:28

people who want to pretend to be fooled

7:30

because they hate the Jews.

7:32

He accused her of being blasphemous.

7:34

The biggest truth that Candace told

7:37

in that way again, and this is not personal

7:39

animus torture, but I find difficult to excuse

7:41

us when anybody doesn't. The

7:44

truth that hid wickedness,

7:46

that I thought was the most wicked

7:48

truth to use, was the truth that

7:50

Christ is king.

7:53

And Claven even went as far as to equate

7:56

Candace's actions with that of Satan.

7:58

Christ is the King, and one day

8:00

every nee will bow and recognize it because

8:02

he's not just my king, king of the universe. But

8:05

when you use that phrase to mean

8:08

that God has abandoned his chosen

8:10

people, the Jews, through whom he came

8:12

into this world incarnate, and that he's

8:14

broken his promises, his covenant.

8:16

With the Jews.

8:18

You are quoting scripture like

8:20

Satan does in the Bible. You are quoting

8:22

scripture to your purposes, and that,

8:25

to me, is specifically wicked.

8:27

Adding credibility to his attack was Cleven's

8:29

suggestion that he plucked her from obscurity.

8:32

In fact, I felt a small investment in her

8:34

because, as I have bragged repeatedly

8:37

of any number of people, I have a

8:39

weird knack for spotting broadcast

8:42

talent. I spotted Candice when

8:44

she was on a small YouTube station doing

8:46

Blexit stuff, you know, blacks should get out of

8:48

the Democrat Party stuff. I invited

8:51

her on my show back when we were in the first

8:53

office we had in LA I believe I

8:55

had her on my show.

8:57

She left.

8:57

I walked down the hall Jeremy's

9:00

office. I was back before he had the thrown room with the guys

9:02

with the spears and all that stuff.

9:03

Jeremy Boring the CEO of the Daily Wire.

9:06

I walked down the hall and I

9:08

said, if you want to bring a woman into this operation.

9:10

I just met her because that's one of the most talented

9:13

broadcasters I have ever met.

9:15

Andrew Claven took some ownership in the Rise

9:17

of Candace Owens.

9:18

Then the juice stuff started.

9:19

Then effectively branded her as a bigoted

9:22

hitler, sympathizing Satanic anti

9:24

Semite. It was one of the harshest

9:26

criticisms imaginable of a former

9:28

colleague, and it wasn't long until others

9:31

joined the fray.

9:32

There is an Overton window at The Daily Wire.

9:34

Obviously there was a non meeting of

9:36

the mind. That's pretty much all I can say on this.

9:38

Jeremy, what did Candace do that she deserved

9:40

to be fired?

9:41

Well, I'm not going to have a conversation about

9:43

Candace. When you run a business, you're

9:45

not at liberty to have discussions about people

9:48

that you fire.

9:49

Candas and I were very good friends for a long time.

9:51

In large part I kind of discovered her

9:53

when she was known as red Pill Black on

9:55

YouTube.

9:55

I don't really consider as friends anymore.

9:58

Christ Is being that's

10:00

where you went over the line girl.

10:11

The Daily Wire CEO Jeremy Boring

10:14

and the Babylon b CEO Seth Dyllon

10:16

suggested Candas's use of the phrase

10:19

christ As King was morally wrong.

10:21

Even anti Semitic and political

10:23

activist Christopher Rufo went as

10:25

far as to claim that Candace was traveling

10:28

down an ugly path. It

10:30

was a shocking turn of events because

10:33

Candace Owens was a darling of the conservative

10:35

movement. Practically every major

10:38

right leaning media outlet in America had

10:40

latched onto Candas during her meteoric

10:42

rise, Fox News, Turning Point,

10:44

USA, Pray for You, The Daily Wire,

10:46

Breitbart News, Dave Rubin, and

10:49

even the David Horowitz Freedom Center.

10:51

All of these organizations at one

10:53

point or another closely connected

10:55

their brands with her rising star. We

10:58

even launched Red Pilled America with an episode

11:00

that featured Candace. But now

11:02

some of the same players that capitalized

11:04

on her growing celebrity were trying to

11:07

end her career. What happened,

11:09

Why did The Daily Wire and many of their

11:11

high profile allies turn on Candace

11:14

Owens? And what does this conflict reveal?

11:17

To understand what a truly pivotal moment

11:19

this was in American media, and how

11:21

solutions can be extracted from this conflict

11:23

that could help stop the spread of anti Semitism.

11:26

We have to first take a deep dive

11:28

into the paths that brought Candace Owens

11:30

and The Daily Wire together and ultimately

11:33

resulted in a public family feud. Red

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11:38

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Owen's journey to her pivotal face off with

12:54

The Daily Wire was a long time in the

12:56

making.

12:57

So I was born in White Plains, New York, but I was raised

12:59

in sam Connecticut my entire

13:01

life.

13:02

We interviewed Candice Owens way back

13:04

in December twenty seventeen when

13:06

she was known as Red Pill Black.

13:08

I grew up sharing a bedroom with my two sisters.

13:10

We lived in a tiny little apartment in

13:12

the hood in Stamford, and we had

13:14

like the exterminator coming, we

13:17

had broaches and that sort of a thing. When

13:19

I was nine years old was my grandfather and

13:21

my grandmother moved us out of that apartment because

13:24

of the conditions of it. Into their home,

13:26

so all eight of us lived in

13:28

their middle class house, and I think

13:30

that that for me was probably my first

13:32

introduction to what today would be considered

13:34

conservative values. My grandparents

13:37

are super religious. My grandfather would get up

13:39

at the crack of dawn and make us like a huge

13:41

Southern breakfast every single morning.

13:44

He is probably one of the biggest

13:46

influences in my life. Grandfather

13:48

grew up on a sharecropping farm.

13:50

Sharecropping was a common farming system

13:52

in the post Civil War South. It was basically

13:55

a system where a landlord allows a tenant,

13:57

often a former slave or poor farmer, to

13:59

use a piece of their land in return for

14:01

a share of the crops produced on that land.

14:04

This first job was laying out tobacco to dry

14:06

in an attic in Fayetteville, North Carolina,

14:09

when he was five, and he has never not had

14:11

a job.

14:11

Candace was expected to work from a young

14:14

age as well.

14:14

It was very strict, no elbows on the

14:16

table when we'd ate. I don't even really understand

14:19

the significance of that, but that was a

14:21

rule. And we

14:24

would read prayers every morning. If

14:26

we didn't say good morning, he wouldn't put a plate in front

14:28

of us, despite the fact that I was ten years old.

14:30

If it doesn't matter how groggy you were. He

14:33

taught us that you say good morning, you sit

14:35

down, you read a prayer, and then you're off to school.

14:37

But even with the strict influence of our grandparents,

14:40

Candace's household was a bit tumultuous.

14:43

I want to say. Around the age of thirteen,

14:45

my grandparents moved out of

14:47

the house into the back of the house, so they

14:49

weren't involved in every single day of our lives.

14:52

It was like a separate apartment thing that they had

14:54

built for themselves. And my

14:56

parents weren't the greatest examples

14:59

of parents that die being too deep into

15:01

that. But you know, I had a pretty rough upbringing, and

15:04

I was a rough person. I was

15:07

always a pretty bright student, but

15:09

I was definitely considered a troublemaker.

15:12

But I was constantly pushing back against

15:14

institutions, pushing back against my parents.

15:17

I was just, you know, always in trouble. I was suspended,

15:20

I was getting into fights, that sort of

15:22

a thing.

15:23

But fights aside. Candace says she

15:25

was a star student in middle school.

15:27

She tested well well.

15:28

I was always put in predominantly

15:30

white classes because I tested very well. So I

15:32

was always the only or one of two black

15:35

people in all of my classes. So

15:37

for me, I was dealing with, you know, bullying

15:40

by black people when I was in middle school, saying

15:42

that I was acting white because I had white friends.

15:45

Who am I going to make friends with? These are people that are in my classes.

15:47

You know.

15:53

Candace was excelling in her studies, but

15:55

by her senior year in high school, she got a crash

15:57

course in racism as well as the narrative

16:00

machine.

16:01

My senior year of high school, I received

16:03

some phone calls one night from some anonymous

16:06

voices on the other line, and the

16:08

phone calls were extremely violent.

16:11

We're gonna tar and feather that nigger.

16:14

We're gonna hang you from a tree. We're gonna put a bullet

16:16

in the back of your head like we did to Martin Luther King.

16:18

Just really volatile, extremely racist

16:21

voicemails. And it came from a block number.

16:23

And the worst thing that can happen to

16:25

you at that age, you're not even a person yet,

16:27

is to receive these phone calls to rightening your life.

16:29

It was the first time she'd personally fielded

16:31

racial slurs.

16:32

It was a terrifying moment. I remember just like crying,

16:35

and I was so confused because there were like

16:37

four male voices on the phone.

16:39

Initially, Candace says she didn't

16:41

do anything with the messages.

16:43

I went to school the next day and in a philosophy class

16:45

that I was taking, I mentioned it in

16:47

something in context of whatever

16:49

we were reading that day, and my

16:52

teacher literally was like, get up right now, we're

16:54

going to the principal's office. You're going to

16:56

report this. So he literally takes me out of my

16:58

chair and we used to go to the principal's office play the voice

17:00

smails, and she's horrified, and

17:02

she makes decision to call the police.

17:04

Candice would eventually learn that one of the kids

17:06

on the call was the son of the then Democrat

17:09

mayor of Stamford, Daniel Molloy. Lloyd

17:11

would later become the Governor of Connecticut.

17:14

The political connection made the story

17:17

go nuclear.

17:18

So I woke up the next day and my entire life

17:20

had changed. I was on the front page of every newspaper

17:22

throughout the state of Connecticut. FBI

17:26

got involved because it was a politician, and

17:28

it just turned into a complete nightmare. I ended up dropping

17:31

out of school for six weeks while the investigation

17:33

was going on, because I was endoing with

17:35

a lot of he said, she said, teachers

17:37

getting involved on Oh, she's probably making

17:40

it up. Obviously I wasn't making it up. But what

17:42

particularly stood out for me in that moment is how

17:44

politicized it was and how nobody cared

17:46

that these were essentially children that had

17:49

made a mistake but didn't deserve to have their lives ruined

17:51

because of it. And on top of that, the NAACP

17:53

would show up at my school every day because they wanted

17:55

to like walk me in and be seen with me. It

17:58

was a photoot for them. They never spoke to me on

18:00

the phone and never asked me how I was doing, so that

18:02

forever destroyed my relationship and my

18:04

ideas about what the NAACP was.

18:06

Your Deal would eventually blow over, and

18:09

Candas made her way to the University of Rhode

18:11

Island to study journalism. She attended

18:13

your I for three years, but in

18:15

the wake of the two thousand and eight banking crisis,

18:18

Candace ran into a bit of a financial crisis.

18:20

Herself and my loan

18:22

in my last year. Obviously, I don't come from any money,

18:24

so it was get loans to go to school where don't go to school.

18:27

My loan it didn't go through, and I

18:30

then had to figure out how I had one hundred

18:32

thousand dollars in debt and not

18:34

a diploma on to show for it, and I had

18:36

to figure out how I was going to make it.

18:38

So after her junior year, she dropped

18:40

out of URI.

18:44

So I hit the ground running in New York City

18:46

and decided the best job for me to take

18:48

was a job in finance. I saw it out

18:50

as an assistant, went to an executive assistant,

18:53

worked my way up to the VP of the administration, and

18:55

that was just hard work, and lived

18:58

in a street smart. Once I had paid back

19:00

pretty much all of my student loans, I

19:02

decided I wanted to dive into a passion project.

19:04

I sided I was going to create Social Autopsy, which

19:06

was going to help kids.

19:08

Drawing from her traumatic high school experience,

19:10

she thought she could make a system that could

19:13

help kids navigate the technology that

19:15

had been thrust on her generation from

19:17

the late nineteen nineties on. Teenagers

19:19

had become human guinea pigs. In the first

19:21

iteration of a hyper connected world,

19:24

kids found themselves interacting with a digital

19:26

landscape, and online harassment

19:29

was a natural byproduct.

19:30

Last year, thirteen year old Megan Meyer hanged

19:32

herself after getting emails from

19:34

a boy she thought had jilted her. But

19:37

those emails turned out to be fake. But

19:39

this tragedy did turn a spotlight on

19:42

a dark corner of teen life, cyberbullying,

19:45

using the Internet or cell phones to threaten,

19:47

spread rumors or postdoctored

19:49

photographs.

19:50

Now, a fifteen year old girl has been arrested for

19:52

sending hundreds of threatening text messages

19:54

to some classmates.

19:56

In one of those messages, she wrote quote

19:58

nobody likes you. I hate you so much

20:01

and I hope to cut you.

20:02

According to recent studies, this kind of bullying

20:05

is on the rise. By one count as

20:07

many as one and three kids as being

20:09

victimized.

20:10

Having went through a form of technology harassment

20:12

herself, Gandice thought she could design

20:14

a system to teach kids that there were

20:17

consequences to digital bullying, a

20:19

valuable lesson that could be imparted to teenagers

20:21

before they entered the adult world. So

20:23

she came up with the idea of social autopsy,

20:26

a system that could be used by educators

20:29

to track online harassers so that they

20:31

could be properly reprimanded without ruining

20:33

their lives.

20:34

And I thought, if kids are not having

20:36

to navigate technology, which is a new thing, what

20:38

if we created a program that would

20:41

capture these awful things

20:43

that they were saying, and rather than these people receiving

20:45

punishments that are going to effectively ruin

20:47

their lives, we could

20:50

create a system of points of like

20:52

teachers now search this database to see if

20:54

kids are in it. And if you're in the database and

20:56

you did this, like you can't try out for the football team,

20:59

which is a much better in my mind, And

21:01

I will admit I was totally naive about the internet.

21:09

To raise funding from the public for the project,

21:11

she started a Kickstarter campaign.

21:13

The human race has never been more connected.

21:17

It takes a nanosecond, a mere push

21:19

of a button, to share our ideas,

21:21

opinions, and emotions across the world

21:24

instantly. But for

21:26

every cat meme your best friend tweets at

21:28

you, or for every I miss you comment

21:30

your Grandma leaves on your Facebook wall, there

21:33

are literally thousands of instances

21:35

of hate speech being circulated online.

21:37

We hadn't built anything. We had just

21:40

created like a dry website

21:42

test site that people could go in and put their emails.

21:45

Candace says that within less than twenty four

21:47

hours from launching the Kickstarter campaign,

21:49

a woman reached out to her, and by the

21:51

end of their interaction, Candace would receive

21:54

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Welcome back to red pilled America. So

23:15

in twenty sixteen, Candas Owens

23:17

launched an anti harassment project

23:19

called Social Autopsy to help

23:21

kids navigate the new online world

23:23

they were experiencing. Candace says

23:25

that within less than twenty four hours from launching

23:28

the campaign, a woman named Zoe

23:30

Quinn reached out to her.

23:31

And she says, like, you know, I am ground

23:34

zero for harassment on

23:36

the Internet, and I'd like to take a call with you if that.

23:38

Name isn't familiar. Zoe Quinn was a

23:40

controversial feminist, activist and video

23:42

game developer and was at the time working

23:45

with Twitter's anti harassment arm. With

23:48

tattoos on her fair skin and hair color

23:50

that seemed to change hourly. Quinn gained

23:53

prominence a few years earlier after

23:55

she was allegedly harassed by anonymous

23:57

online gamers in a controversy that

23:59

came to be known as gamergate. Gamergate

24:02

was basically a culture war between

24:04

the video game community and woke feminists

24:07

that had infiltrated the industry. Gamers

24:09

believed video game journalists were correctly

24:12

propping up feminist developers like Quinn.

24:14

She, on the other hand, claimed that she

24:17

was being harassed largely because

24:19

she was a woman in a male dominated industry.

24:22

The mainstream media, of course picked her side

24:24

and elevated Quinn to a feminist icon,

24:27

but some gamers thought that she was actually

24:29

harassing herself for attention.

24:32

At the time in twenty sixteen, Candace

24:34

had paid very little attention to politics,

24:37

So when Zoe Quinn reached out, Candace

24:39

wasn't aware of the culture war she was stepping

24:41

into.

24:42

And I googled her and it's very

24:44

favorable stuff. It says that she's been abused

24:46

on the internet and that now she's dedicated her

24:48

life of trying to stop out abuse. So I'm thinking in my

24:50

head, like, why wouldn't I have a conversation with this girl,

24:52

like, there's you know, a way that we can connect

24:54

and helpware to stand what I'm doing and she'll

24:57

be able to see what I'm doing. So she calls

24:59

me up. I over my number, and the

25:01

conversation just took an instantly dark turn.

25:04

She wasn't calling to talking about the project. She was calling

25:06

me to threaten me to end the project or

25:08

else, and that she kept saying that she just

25:10

knew that these anonymous gamers

25:13

were going to come after me on the internet. They were these

25:15

men that were misogynists and sexists

25:21

and they were going to come out them with racism and all this

25:23

stuff. And so then she moved on and she kept

25:25

saying, but she knew that they were going to

25:27

dox my family if I did it.

25:29

Docs, meaning they'd find her home phone

25:31

number and address and publish it online.

25:34

Candace said that she understood Quinn's concerns,

25:36

but she wasn't going to kill the project.

25:38

At this point, she just starts crying and

25:41

she says, and I'll never forget this. She says,

25:43

You're going to ruin everything, and

25:47

I went what And she hung up the phone.

25:50

Within two hours of their call, Candace

25:52

says she was harassed in exactly

25:54

the manner that Quinn had warned.

25:56

She really must be a true savant. She

25:58

was able to foreseething that actually

26:01

happened. We were not a single

26:03

threat had we received, and we had banking

26:05

started for sixteen hours. By hour eighteen,

26:08

we were being inundated to the point that we couldn't

26:10

even like log onto our accounts. It

26:12

was just massively people calling

26:14

me a nigger, saying they're her diet. They were gonna kill

26:16

my family.

26:17

It was Candas's belief that Quinn

26:19

was actually orchestrating the online harassment

26:22

against her to torpedo her fundraising

26:24

campaign.

26:25

It was ridiculous. It was absolutely ridiculous,

26:27

and she was doing this trying to convince me

26:30

that the gamers were the ones that

26:32

did this. Like, how stupid did

26:34

this woman think I was?

26:36

The entire interaction rocked Candace.

26:39

I mean, Zoe Quinn was a liberal

26:41

woman just like her and a darling

26:43

of the mainstream media. Quinn claimed

26:45

to have been harassed by anonymous online

26:47

trolls. She was a woman that was so

26:50

prominent that she was working with Twitter's

26:52

anti harassment arm. Quinn

26:54

thought Candace was developing a system that

26:56

would reveal the real names of anonymous

26:59

online harassment.

27:00

She was under the assumption, which was totally

27:02

wrong, that if I had launched this project, I

27:04

was going to be able to unmask controls.

27:07

Given her alleged harassment by anonymous

27:09

web users, you'd think Quinn would have welcomed

27:12

this technological development, but she

27:14

didn't. Instead, Quinn apparently

27:17

wanted to suffocate Candace's project

27:19

in the crib. That was strange to Candace,

27:21

given Quinn's position she's.

27:23

Working for the anti harassment arm

27:25

on Twitter. Let's say that during in the heat

27:27

of the election, which is when this was in twenty sixteen,

27:30

I had built a technology that was going

27:32

to be able to unmask controls.

27:35

What would I have uncovered and what exactly

27:37

would I have ruined? How many of Hillary

27:39

Clinton's Twitter followers were real? How

27:41

many people that are on Twitter saying

27:43

nigger, nigger, nigger, Die Die die that says

27:45

I'm a Trump supporter are actually Trump supporters

27:47

and not just some girls sitting in their basemar working

27:50

for Hillary Clinton. Okay, these

27:52

are sort of the existential questions that

27:54

I started asking myself immediately.

27:57

Candace's instincts told her that Quinn

27:59

was not not who she was claiming to be.

28:01

It was like a jarring, scary

28:03

thing, and I instantly tweeted, just

28:06

like that girl's alway, Quinn, I don't know what the gamer

28:08

Gate scandal is. I had no idea what gamer Gate was,

28:10

but she is definitively harassing herself

28:13

and that opened the floodgates.

28:15

That opened the absolute floodgates.

28:17

Shortly after her tweet, Candace

28:19

says the liberal Washington Post attempted

28:22

to smear her, and the left wing New

28:24

York Magazine published what could be

28:26

interpreted as a hit piece. Candace

28:28

at the time thought she was a Democrat, but

28:31

the event flipped a switch in her. This

28:33

was her red pilled moment.

28:35

And people always say, like, how can you say you

28:37

were red pilled instantly? I was

28:39

red pilled instantly. It opened

28:41

my eyes to the fact that the people

28:44

that are claiming to fight racism,

28:46

okay, the people that are claiming to want to give

28:48

platforms to black people. I at that moment was

28:50

a black female entrepreneur

28:52

being stomped out by New York Magazine,

28:55

Okay, the Washington Post. All

28:57

these people that should be my allies trying

29:00

to help me, are viciously trying to

29:02

take me down because what because

29:04

they thought that I had built something that was going to unveil

29:07

a dirty little secret. In that dirty little secret is

29:09

that they were in fact perpetuating

29:11

victim narratives. They were for in fact, perpetuating

29:14

racism. They were in fact perpetuating

29:16

sexism in the comfort of their

29:18

troll accounts on Twitter. And I'm sure that that

29:21

far exceeds Twitter.

29:25

Through the innocent launch of a fundraising

29:28

campaign, Candice had been pushed

29:30

down the rabbit hole. The reaction from

29:32

Zoe Quinn, the trolls, and the liberal

29:34

media had her rethinking everything.

29:37

I essentially realized that for a very long time,

29:39

my mind had been hacked, that people that I

29:41

thought were my friends were in fact my

29:44

enemies, and people that I thought just

29:46

in the background, without paying cocassion to politics, I

29:48

assumed they were far right white nationalists

29:51

are just trying to tell the truth.

29:52

It made her rethink her education as well,

29:55

eventually coming to the conclusion that black

29:57

people are indoctrinated. Starting

29:59

from a very young age.

30:01

They're learning that they have an allegiance to the Democratic

30:03

Party. We learned it since we were in middle school. We

30:05

are constantly told over and over again

30:07

with repetition. The correct answers to the tests

30:10

is always black people made progress because

30:12

a Democrats syved. Then black people went backwards

30:14

because Republicans did this or that. It's

30:16

a massive misinformation campaign.

30:18

It's a massive miseducation.

30:22

As the mainstream media was attacking Candace

30:24

for questioning Zoe Quinn's story, a

30:27

budding journalist and filmmaker reached.

30:29

Out to her. Mike

30:31

Cernovich invited me to film his

30:33

documentary Silence.

30:35

She did a web search on the filmmaker and

30:37

Google returned some of the vilest

30:39

descriptions of Mike Cernovich. She

30:41

decided to meet with him anyways.

30:43

And at this point, I'm still holding on to my liberalism.

30:46

I say to him, like, this is what I want to do, and he said,

30:48

I disagree with you. Know what you're doing.

30:50

Kandace says, Cernovich thought her Social Autopsy

30:53

site had some serious issues regarding

30:55

online privacy.

30:56

Because he understood the implications of what something

30:58

like Social Autopsy could do.

31:00

Candice would come to agree with him, but.

31:01

He said, what happened to you was wrong, and

31:04

I want to give you a voice to talk about how the media tried

31:06

to stomp you out. And afterwards

31:08

he had a gathering, a book signing for some

31:10

of his fans. I just attended, and there

31:13

was just so much authenticity in the room,

31:15

and I realized, if this is what is

31:18

being told about me on Google, about this person, and I'm

31:20

having a real conversation with I need

31:22

to reevaluate every single

31:24

thing Google tells me.

31:26

Around the same time she met Mike Cernovich,

31:28

another man was making waves on the national

31:31

stage.

31:33

Can you give us a question? Don't be would

31:35

you give us any question?

31:36

And you're not going to give you.

31:39

News.

31:40

At the same time that this is going on, Downald

31:42

Trump as on a platform calling CNN fake

31:45

news. It was just divine intervention.

31:47

Honestly, at every angle, it just went click

31:49

click, click click, instantly red pilled

31:52

and then suffered from extreme cognitive

31:54

dissonance. Because once you get punched in the face

31:56

like that, I say to everyone, take the red

31:58

pill, but take take it slow, up the dosage.

32:01

I was figuratively kicked

32:03

in the chest Spartan style down

32:05

a deep hole. Okay, like not fun

32:07

for anybody.

32:08

The entire ordeal had Candas's

32:10

head spinning. She took about a year

32:12

off to contemplate her entire life.

32:20

I mean, think about what this young woman had been

32:22

through in high school. A chance

32:24

racist prank phone call put her at odds

32:26

with a major politician, landed

32:28

her on the front page of the newspapers,

32:31

and opened her eyes to the scam of the NAACP,

32:34

a group she'd been told for years existed

32:36

to help black people. Within twenty

32:38

four hours of launching her first entrepreneurial

32:40

project, she was thrust into the spotlight

32:43

when she inadvertently stepped into a culture

32:45

war known as Gamergate. Again,

32:47

she attracted journalists, this time in the national

32:50

media. Both experiences opened

32:52

her eyes to the unwritten rules of

32:54

a game she had no idea was being

32:56

played all around her, but now

32:59

she could see it, or at least part

33:01

of it. Candace was exhausted

33:03

from the eye opening experiences that

33:05

by the time July twenty seventeen came

33:08

around, she decided to make a

33:10

move.

33:10

I said to someone, I said, I have

33:13

to go into this like once you know this. Okay,

33:16

this happened to me for a reason, just like what happened to me in high

33:18

school. Kne for a reason. Okay, everything that

33:20

happened to me brought me to this moment. There is a

33:22

message that I was chosen to deliver

33:24

to the black community. I feel that, from the bottom

33:27

of my soul, that I was picked to

33:29

do this, That these things, these huge,

33:31

crazy things, trying to do a good thing gone wrong,

33:33

a random car ride with strangers I'd never

33:36

met, turning into front page news. These

33:38

don't happen to somebody by chance. They happened

33:40

to someone because it was preparing me for a bigger moment,

33:42

a moment of harsh criticism being

33:44

lied about.

33:45

She believed she was chosen for a mission,

33:48

but by who or what She wasn't quite

33:50

ready to say.

33:57

When we closed our conversation with Candace Owens

33:59

and December twenty seventeen, we couldn't

34:01

help it ask.

34:04

Thank you, guys, thank you so much.

34:08

Are you religious?

34:10

I am not, but I'm starting to become

34:12

a lot more spiritual. It's become a

34:14

natural journey back to the way that I was

34:16

raised with my grandfather, which I

34:18

definitely, I definitely want to talk about more, but it's kind

34:20

of still happening.

34:21

So she sensed that there was something

34:24

out there guiding her journey, and

34:26

with that building connection to the source of everything,

34:29

she was ready to take on the world.

34:30

I'm going a war path right now to help

34:33

the black community understand that we have been lied

34:35

to, we had been used, we hadn't manipulated, and that's

34:37

all by the Democratic Party.

34:39

So, like so many default liberals

34:41

before her, she geared up for a public

34:43

coming out. She set up a camera,

34:46

pressed record, and by the time she was

34:48

done, the entire conservative media

34:50

complex would be clamoring for a

34:52

piece of Candice Owens because

34:54

she was about to shift the culture in ways

34:57

no one could have ever imagined.

34:59

Coming up on red Pilled America, I.

35:01

Think I might be a conservative, Candace.

35:03

I know about your story, but this is riveting.

35:05

I want to beg you to come on the Full Show sometime

35:07

with Paul and I and share these

35:09

stories.

35:09

You know. I was just at the Daily Wire earlier today

35:12

and their studio their office space is growing.

35:14

Because people are famous, we then grant them a

35:16

certain level of credibility on other issues. So the

35:18

latest example of this is Kanye West.

35:20

He's a genius. Kanye West is a genius.

35:22

And Candace has facts she's researched.

35:24

We'll speaking on fire, obviously, candas you've just exploded

35:26

onto the scene. I think probably a year and a half ago, nobody

35:28

knew who you were, and now everybody

35:31

knows who you are.

35:31

You think about whenever we say nationalism, the first thing people

35:34

think about, in at least in America is Hitler.

35:36

A friend of mine who I am not going

35:38

to name, encouraged me to visit

35:40

the Simon Weisenthal Center, me

35:43

a woman joining the Daily Wire team. Yeah.

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