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Shruti and I'm Hannah and welcome

2:08

to Red Handage, Kelly Osbourne's

2:10

third favourite show. If you

2:13

are listening Kelly, hello, and welcome

2:15

to the Red Handage family. Her brother went

2:17

to the same school as my brother very shortly. Oh

2:20

there you go. So I used to live in Buckinghamshire for a while. I believe. Six

2:23

degrees of connection. I hope that I have

2:25

no degrees of connection to basically

2:27

anyone involved in today's story because

2:31

almost everyone we're going to talk about today is a

2:33

dick. Yeah, absolute

2:36

trash bag garbage people, honestly. Honestly,

2:39

and it's not just this week. Sorry guys, it's

2:41

a two-parter so we'll be talking about them for the

2:43

next two weeks. So

2:46

this sensational case, the

2:48

case of the wealthy Edelson family,

2:51

is a story of murder which involves

2:53

hundreds and hundreds of hours of

2:55

FBI wiretapping, a very bad

2:57

marriage, a Latin King's gang leader,

3:00

an owl-loving hitman, double

3:02

bluffs, triple bluffs, coded calls about pop belly

3:04

pigs, four trials, four

3:06

convictions, another one likely imminent, and

3:09

a TV repairman. It's a case that has

3:11

been bubbling away on the true crime

3:13

crockpot for the past decade. It's going

3:16

to be tender. It's going to

3:18

fall apart in your hands. This,

3:20

guys, is an episode that

3:22

you just need a spoon for. It's

3:24

a spoon only red-handed because, yes,

3:26

it is finally time to serve this up as

3:28

a double helping of red-handed goes to Florida. Part

3:31

one. Our

3:34

incredibly strange story today starts on the 19th

3:36

of July 2014. At

3:39

around 9am that day, 41-year-old Florida

3:41

State University law professor Dan Markell

3:44

headed out for the morning. He

3:46

dropped his two little boys off at their daycare center and

3:48

then he drove to the gym. He

3:50

worked out for an hour and then he left

3:53

Premier Fitness and Market Square in Tallahassee at

3:55

10.38am. On

3:58

his drive home, Dan, who was going through a... nightmare

4:00

of a divorce, to put it lightly, called

4:03

his friend to complain about the fact that

4:05

his ex-wife, Wendy, with an eye, was trying

4:07

to move their kids to a different school

4:09

without consulting him. A distracted Dan

4:11

didn't notice that there was a car tailing him

4:13

as he opened his garage door and pulled in.

4:16

He did notice, however, when

4:19

the car pulled into his driveway behind

4:21

him. Dan told his

4:23

friend, hold on a second, there's someone here I

4:25

don't know. This friend

4:27

who was on the phone then heard two

4:29

loud bangs and then the call

4:31

went dead. Meanwhile,

4:33

Dan's neighbour spotted that his

4:35

garage door was open. There had been a

4:37

bunch of burglaries in the area and the neighbour,

4:40

just being neighbourly, went to have a look. Much

4:43

to his horror though, no one

4:45

was trying to steal Dan's car. The

4:47

reality was far worse. 911,

4:50

what's the address of your emergency? Okay,

4:52

tell me exactly what happened. We

4:56

heard and looked in, the garage door was up and

4:59

I thought the gentleman was backing out and I went back

5:02

to my house but he never backed out and I

5:04

came back over and his driver's

5:06

side window was shattered and

5:09

he's battered and can't answer. He's inside,

5:11

I don't know if somebody tried to

5:13

shoot him or if he shot himself

5:15

or what, I don't know. He didn't

5:17

send an ambulance in that area. Me

5:21

and King. He's

5:25

still alive, he's moving. Dan

5:28

Markell had been shot in the face, twice.

5:32

Once in the forehead and once in his cheek.

5:35

There was also a wound on his arm where he had

5:37

clearly tried to protect his head. Unbelievably

5:40

though, the emergency dispatcher

5:43

accidentally deprioritised the call

5:46

and an ambulance didn't show up for

5:48

19 whole minutes. And

5:52

when it eventually did, Dan was

5:55

rushed to Tallahassee Memorial Healthcare. I

5:58

still do not understand how that happened. 19

6:02

minutes. That's genuinely life and death. I

6:04

mean he's alive. Dan is alive when

6:06

his neighbour finds him and

6:08

in the 911 call we just heard he

6:10

says as much, he tells the operator he

6:12

is still alive and there's

6:14

been no real explanation for how this happened.

6:17

They just say the deprioritisation was

6:19

down to human error and

6:21

of course we all make mistakes

6:23

but the magnitude of the

6:26

consequences of your mistake when you are

6:28

an emergency operator is catastrophic and I'm

6:30

sure that person feels horrendous but it

6:33

is awful. So

6:36

the police along with all of

6:38

Dan's neighbours were completely at a

6:41

loss. Who on earth

6:43

would want to shoot Dan and

6:45

why? Dan had been born in Canada but

6:48

after coming to the US to study law at

6:50

Harvard Dan had stayed there. After

6:52

university he got a job clerking for a

6:54

federal judge and then he was

6:56

snapped up by a prestigious law firm

6:58

in DC. But

7:01

teaching was Dan's real passion. So

7:03

when FSU offered him a tenure-track

7:06

professorship he jumped at the

7:08

opportunity. The only request

7:10

he had was could FSU also find

7:12

a position for his wife Wendy? This

7:15

wasn't a problem at all for the university because Wendy

7:17

Adelson was an easy fit. She

7:19

had a masters from Cambridge, she was

7:22

bubbly, personable, confident and came highly

7:24

recommended. So FSU

7:27

offered Wendy a position as

7:29

directing clinical professor in their law

7:31

school. She accepted and

7:34

the pair moved to Tallahassee to start

7:36

their new lives. Dan

7:39

and Wendy had originally met back in

7:41

2005 when Dan was in

7:43

DC and Wendy was in Miami which

7:46

is her hometown. They connected on

7:48

JDate. I just

7:50

feel like everybody these days where are they meeting

7:52

if they're not being online? And you just have

7:54

to get more and more niche with everything. Do

7:57

you remember that dating app that was going around with like people

7:59

who just like And

8:01

you know what it with code. That.

8:03

There was one definitely that existed in London

8:06

for a short amount. Of side which was

8:08

just about people who want to that people with

8:10

bad maybe. Telling me says the way I

8:12

don't I don't know but they they really

8:14

nice, they connect on a date, the

8:16

hit it off and despite the distance within

8:19

months. And then be

8:21

extremely serious. This. Seems

8:23

to have been classic. He.

8:26

Was a kind of guy to jump in both

8:28

feet first when he wanted supper. And.

8:30

He was head over heels for the beautiful,

8:32

funny and smart. Seeming.

8:37

To iran down and twenty when. Both.

8:39

Young, attractive, an accomplished. Got.

8:42

Married and had lavish two hundred person

8:44

wedding. And. Boca Raton, Apparently.

8:49

One. Had just wanted something more on the

8:51

beach for her wedding. But. Her

8:53

mother donor insisted. That. This wedding

8:55

had to be. Huge. She. Was

8:57

after all have any daughter. Them.

9:00

Are cows and the idols and split the

9:02

cost of the wedding, but despite all of

9:04

her seeming attention to detail about the wedding.

9:07

Gonna. Who organized

9:09

the catering made. A

9:12

very pick up though. Is.

9:14

The Anna I or Duster on purpose. I

9:17

don't know. I think I did he.

9:19

Well, Yes, the more you find out

9:21

about Donna it she seems like one of those mother

9:23

in law's the law and up on my cat. Am.

9:26

I the asshole reddit thread be a like

9:28

am. I told my daughter know that she's

9:30

a fat pig and I had a for

9:32

atmosphere has. Except Donna

9:34

Adelson would never even and up there because she

9:36

wouldn't even ask that question. Also itself is actually

9:39

the kind of mother. To. End up

9:41

in jail Asian. So.

9:44

Either. Still, Difficult. For.

9:47

The daughter signaled. That. Than

9:49

his family, them all cows and

9:51

many off the mark health, friends

9:53

and family. Kept star

9:56

break slay kosher. Seven

9:59

Sins. Three on kosher plates of

10:01

meat and cheese to get that

10:03

touching on the same plate. Began.

10:06

To circulate the wedding venue.

10:09

Dance. Very good friend. a Rabbi

10:11

no less. promptly less. The.

10:13

Occasion altogether. And

10:16

Denmark, hell was mortified.

10:19

I mean obviously of us not being

10:21

jewish, not keeping kosher of which I

10:23

have to say the Edelman's arduous so

10:26

donna issue as she just doesn't. Have

10:28

far more than one, so what the fuck out for?

10:31

I'm like me, just get a sense

10:33

delicious the closest imagining how mortified I

10:35

would be. Is that my

10:37

entire family? Apart, my

10:39

dad and my brother and me are

10:41

like pretty much strict, strict vegetarian. Yeah,

10:44

let my grandmother wouldn't even pick up

10:46

an egg like that's unethical. And

10:48

I can't imagine if my partner's mom

10:50

organize the kitchen our wedding understand it

10:52

up plates of meat. To my chest

10:55

x to capturing after I get a

10:57

gag them I got mother success. But.

11:02

To dance credit, he didn't hold a grudge. He

11:04

just told everyone that not to eat the food

11:06

if they were kosher. And then he got

11:09

straight back to partying with his new wife Wendy. Pretty.

11:12

Soon down and Wendy had two boys

11:14

two years apart. And. I like seemed

11:16

all. The. One

11:18

problem with a windy. Just.

11:21

For it, the and

11:23

completely hated Tallahassee. She

11:25

longed to be closer to where she'd grown up in

11:28

Miami. says. She's been a have family.

11:30

And also in an environment that she was

11:32

more yeasty. I know it's when I picked

11:35

second out. Yeah said. This difference between Miami

11:37

and Tallahassee is something. Or

11:40

someone who has ever. Said.

11:42

This is what I have come up. And

11:44

I'm sure. That's. The yeah

11:47

Americans listening will correct me if

11:49

I'm wrong. But. miami it

11:51

seems is opposite occurs so metropolis with

11:53

mild weather beautiful beaches are far as

11:56

the i could see a buzzing food

11:58

scene and a very vibrant color And

12:00

extra. And extra. Again,

12:03

I haven't been to Miami, but this is what

12:05

the internet told me, and the pictures of Miami

12:07

do seem to match up. It looks very nice.

12:10

Now Tallahassee on the other hand, and if you live in Tallahassee,

12:12

please do not come from me. I

12:15

don't know. I've not been, but, ignorant

12:17

me, I was like, oh, interesting,

12:19

because it's actually the capital of the Sunshine State.

12:21

I thought Miami was the capital of Ferrari, which

12:24

I'm guessing everybody does, but it's actually the capital

12:26

of Ferrari. It's never the one you think it

12:28

is. Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah,

12:30

it's weird. So yeah, it's the capital

12:32

of Florida, and it seems to be a

12:35

little bit different to Miami. Apparently

12:37

in Tallahassee, it rains a lot.

12:40

Humidity is off the charts. It's

12:42

prone to flooding and power cuts. There

12:45

are no beaches, just salt marshes. The

12:47

poverty rate is sadly nearly 90% higher

12:50

than the rest of the US average, and

12:52

there are alligators basically everywhere. Again,

12:55

this is what the internet told me. Don't come from

12:57

me. I hear that Tallahassee is a

12:59

lot more like the deep

13:01

south in terms of more like Bible Bell

13:03

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13:05

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yeah, very large jump

15:05

for somebody like Wendy. And

15:08

she hated it. Not

15:11

only she just grew up in Miami, her

15:13

family were very, very wealthy. Her dad was

15:15

a prominent dentist and he had a successful

15:17

practice. And Wendy was the baby of the

15:19

family. So she just got whatever she

15:22

wanted. And now, there

15:24

was absolutely no chance of that happening. Dan

15:27

was never going to leave FSU. Not

15:29

when he was on track for tenure. It

15:32

also didn't help that Dan was super busy

15:34

at work, basically all of the time. He'd

15:37

regularly travel to deliver keynote speeches

15:39

all over the country. So

15:41

often, Wendy would be home alone with the kids.

15:44

And when Dan was at home, he was

15:46

by all accounts a great dad to his

15:48

boys. Everybody attests to that. And he

15:51

clearly loved Wendy. But he

15:53

wasn't the most domesticated. Chores

15:55

and cleaning weren't priorities to Dan. So

15:58

again, it seems that these fell to Wendy. and

16:00

her anger began to grow. Wendy,

16:03

aside from being an accomplished law professor, also loved

16:06

to write. So maybe in

16:08

an attempt to keep herself busy in Tallahassee,

16:11

Wendy signed up for a creative writing course. And

16:14

then in 2011, she published a novel called

16:16

This Is Our Story, a

16:18

book about the lives of two young women who

16:21

become victims of human trafficking. Wendy

16:23

was actually an expert in trafficking. She'd

16:25

worked in that space for a few years, presumably

16:28

educating and not actually trafficking people. Yes,

16:31

she's a big time people trafficker. My

16:34

cousin works on a human trafficking unit. So I

16:36

always say that and people are like, what? And

16:38

I'm like, no, she helps them. She helps them.

16:41

She's anti human trafficking. So

16:43

Wendy in her position at

16:46

FSU as a law professor, her

16:48

specialization there is in

16:50

helping victims of human trafficking. Now,

16:53

this is our story. Aside from not

16:56

being the best title I've ever heard for a

16:58

book was also self published by Wendy. Because

17:00

again, she's like, what a surprise. I wrote this

17:03

in my creative writing class. I am going to

17:05

get it published. Okay.

17:07

Can we publish by British

17:09

London? I honestly

17:11

think, and I may get

17:13

ripped apart for this. I

17:16

think if you self publish a book, no,

17:19

you didn't. I

17:22

don't think it counts. I really don't. So

17:24

yes, there you go. Hot takes here. Hot

17:26

takes here. So I have to be

17:29

fair and let you know that when I Google

17:31

this, I'm looking at the wrong book.

17:34

This is our story. It's also another book that

17:36

is written. I was about to be

17:38

like, do you know what though? It's got 4.1 out

17:41

of 5 and 96% of people on Goodreads liked it. Actually,

17:44

do you know what? This is our story by

17:46

Wendy Adelson has got, okay, it's

17:48

got a four out of five on Amazon UK and it's

17:50

got 3.4 out of five on Goodreads. So

17:54

this short. 45 reviews. What's

17:56

Albert got on Goodreads? Oh, go on Albert. I

18:01

don't even remember what our book is

18:03

called. It's red-handed. Oh, there it is,

18:05

an exploration of criminals' cannibals cults and

18:07

what makes a killer tick. Now

18:10

they live in Russia and apparently you've got an

18:12

email about that yesterday. All right.

18:14

Do you know what? It's got 4.7 from 387 reviews

18:16

on Amazon. Okay.

18:19

So we beat Wendy with an eye. Anyway, for

18:22

her book that she self-published, Wendy

18:24

used the stories that she had heard during

18:26

her time in the human trafficking field and

18:28

the human trafficking field, whatever, to write this

18:30

fictional book and raise awareness of the situation

18:32

within the US. If

18:34

you want to read a book about human trafficking

18:36

and you have time, go and read The Truth

18:38

about Modern Slavery by Emmene

18:41

Kenway. It's great and

18:43

short and succinct. I love the idea.

18:45

Five out of five. It was short. Anyway.

18:49

Apparently, there is more to Wendy's

18:52

book than gangs and abductions. Within

18:54

the pages of This Is Our Story, Wendy also

18:57

reveals quite a lot about her own marriage. We

19:00

haven't read the book, but we

19:02

have seen enough to note, as

19:04

others have, that it

19:06

does seem to be at least semi-autobiographical.

19:09

And Wendy's character in the book

19:11

is called Lily, really doesn't seem to like

19:14

her husband that much. No. She

19:16

goes on quite a lot about

19:19

how hapless her husband is while she's

19:21

simultaneously trying to save people from

19:23

being people trafficked. Now,

19:26

perhaps this book was a cry

19:28

for attention from Wendy. Maybe

19:31

she just wanted Dan to pay attention to what

19:33

she was trying to tell him. But

19:36

if it was, Dan never knew because

19:38

he never actually read his wife's book. Even

19:41

Dan's friends now say he

19:43

probably should have just read it. But

19:46

Dan, according to everybody, was an

19:49

intellectual and an academic through and

19:51

through. He didn't like fiction, he wasn't

19:53

interested in that stuff. So while he wished his

19:55

wife the best, he didn't read her book. Which

19:58

I do have to admit is pretty shitty. And

20:00

I think in some ways that was the

20:03

final nail in the coffin for Wendy. And

20:06

in September 2012, while Dan was

20:08

in New York for a business trip, Wendy texted

20:10

him saying that she was done and

20:12

that she was leaving him. Dan

20:15

rushed home early, but Wendy was already

20:17

gone. So was most of

20:19

the furniture, their belongings, and the boys.

20:22

Wendy had even moved money out of

20:24

their joint account and taken the two-carat

20:26

engagement ring that had belonged to Dan's grandmother.

20:29

The only thing she left behind was

20:32

a stack of divorce papers on Dan's bed. Stone

20:34

cold, isn't it? Far

20:36

from stone cold. And Dan described

20:38

it to his friends as like a Pearl Harbor

20:40

moment. He was like, I did not

20:42

see this coming. It came out of nowhere and it

20:44

just blew my life apart. I

20:47

would argue Dan. Dan

20:50

is a victim and he gets shot twice. I'm not

20:53

here to slack him off. I'm just saying, Dan, I

20:55

don't think it should have been as much of a shock to

20:57

you. I think it was. Yeah. I

21:00

think if Dan had been paying attention to what was going

21:02

on, he wouldn't have been

21:04

a shocked at the fact that Wendy lived there. And

21:07

I do also have to say that

21:10

when you look into this case, a

21:12

lot of people at this point point

21:14

out Wendy as being like the bad guy. To

21:17

be honest, I don't really blame

21:19

her for leaving. It's

21:22

clear that Dan and Wendy got married

21:24

way, way, way too soon without getting

21:26

to know each other fast. And

21:28

Dan was, according to his own friends, and

21:31

this is a word that is used repeatedly to describe

21:33

Dan, abrasive. And

21:35

he could easily come across as condescending.

21:38

Easily come across as condescending. Everybody

21:41

said he was very passionate. He would be there for

21:43

you. He was totally loyal. If you were his friend,

21:45

he would do anything for you. But he

21:47

was abrasive. And Wendy said that

21:50

she felt held back in her career by staying

21:52

in Tallahassee for him and

21:54

that the love had dwindled because he didn't view

21:56

her as an equal. And

21:58

I think leaving a marriage... that she wasn't

22:00

happy in doesn't make Wendy a bad

22:03

guy. Let's save all the

22:05

things that make Wendy a bad guy for later. But

22:08

as for the next part of this story, they

22:10

both fought hard and

22:13

they both fought dirty. This

22:15

divorce was about as nasty as you could get.

22:18

After she left Dan, Wendy took their two boys

22:20

and went back to Miami. Dan

22:22

was naturally furious. Miami is

22:24

over seven hours drive from

22:26

Tallahassee and he just wasn't going

22:29

to lose his kids like that. So Dan

22:31

took Wendy to court. She

22:33

said that the kids were better off in Miami. They

22:35

would have a better quality of life. They would

22:37

also be closer to her parents. So she would

22:39

have a good support network. And she

22:42

also told the court that she already even had

22:44

a good job lined up there. But

22:46

the court rejected Wendy's petition and

22:49

granted her and Dan 50-50

22:51

split custody. So the

22:53

boys had to stay in Tallahassee

22:56

and therefore so did Wendy. And

22:59

since their youngest son was just two

23:01

years old, it looked like Wendy

23:03

would be stuck in that town that she hated

23:05

so much for the next 16 years. But

23:10

if Wendy was upset, her mum,

23:13

not kosher Donna, was raging.

23:16

And this is when things went from bad to

23:18

worse. Donna was not a fan of Dan's.

23:21

When exactly this dislike first started

23:23

though is a bit unclear because

23:25

apparently Donna and Wendy were on

23:27

JDate together and they

23:29

chose Dan together as a potential

23:32

match. Honestly, I have to talk

23:34

about this. There

23:37

is one time and one time only in my life

23:39

that I allowed my mum to sit and quote

23:41

unquote play on hinge with me. And

23:44

that was to prove to her how fucking

23:47

slim the pickings were because she kept telling

23:49

me that I was being too fussy. And

23:52

I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, mother. We're going to

23:54

sit down and I'm going to show you what's out

23:56

there. And then at the end of it, we were on there for like

23:58

10 minutes. She was like, yeah, okay, fair enough. enough and

24:01

I was like it's good I'm glad you've seen

24:03

the situation now. My mum has also had

24:05

very similar conversations with me I have not

24:07

let her anywhere the fuck near it. It

24:09

shuts them up for a little bit but

24:11

what I have to say about Donna and

24:13

Wendy play together. Slowly over the course of

24:15

the next two weeks you guys are going

24:17

to learn a lot about Mrs.

24:20

Donna Adlethon. But

24:22

I have to say I think the reason that

24:24

Donna and Wendy both picked Dan is

24:26

because and this is gonna sound incredibly shallow but this

24:28

is what I genuinely think. A, he's smart. He's

24:30

smart, he's a professor, he's a law professor, he's

24:32

gonna do well in life, he's gonna have money.

24:35

But also because he has

24:37

blue eyes. Because Wendy

24:40

has blue eyes and Dan

24:42

has blue eyes. Both of their sons have blue

24:44

eyes. Wendy even wears teal

24:46

contacts to make her eyes look

24:48

even more blue and like

24:50

randomly and stuff I have seen she just talks about how

24:52

Dan had blue eyes and their kids had blue eyes. She

24:55

was like I was in a shop and a man told me how blue

24:57

my eyes were. It's like yeah because you're wearing blue

24:59

contacts on top of your already blue eyes. That's

25:01

so bizarre. And I feel

25:03

like Donna's like you can give me some blue eyed

25:06

little cute grandkids and then I'll fucking get rid of

25:08

you later when I don't want you. And

25:11

you guys will actually hear this clip

25:13

later in this episode so we'll come

25:15

back to it but just remember this.

25:19

So it is an unreasonable to assume

25:21

that things went south before the

25:23

wedding when we take into account

25:25

the whole non-kosher food order which I just

25:27

the more I think about it she did that on

25:29

fucking purpose. And also in

25:32

emails and in texts about her son-in-law

25:35

to Wendy Donna always called

25:37

him gibbers. And

25:39

we don't need to know what that actually means to

25:42

know that it is a put

25:44

down. Yeah I never got to the

25:46

bottom of what it actually means but it's not good. No

25:48

it sort of makes you think it's like blithering

25:50

idiot like that sort of vibe. And

25:54

it didn't end there. After

25:56

the breakup Donna would send her

25:58

daughter pages and pages. If

26:00

any, Person. Even

26:03

really windy. To threaten her

26:05

Jewish husband. As she would have

26:08

the boys baptized and enrolled in a

26:10

Catholic school. Just. To gonna

26:12

really hit down whereas that. Even

26:15

Madonna and the A Doses Again

26:17

doesn't suit with it's. The

26:20

Wendy didn't threaten done with all

26:22

of this. But. One day the

26:24

kids let slip. By. Told that

26:26

that then. Grandma. Called you

26:29

stupid. And. Dan

26:31

last. He petition

26:33

the court to only allowed on a supervised

26:35

visitation with the boys moving forward. Worried that

26:37

she would alienate them from him. Obviously.

26:40

This pissed on our of something rotten and

26:42

the date for the court hearing about this

26:44

issue. Had been scheduled for

26:47

the week after. That was. Shot. But

26:49

we are once again jumping ahead. Rewind.

26:52

That is another really nasty part of

26:54

this divorce proceeding that we need to

26:57

talk about is the fact that damn

26:59

Mark Health stops. Paying Wendy child

27:01

support. Now. Of the

27:04

see that doesn't sound great on the

27:06

surface at the his reasons for doing

27:08

this was because they were told to

27:10

split that financial assets in a certain

27:13

way when they separated and according to

27:15

death when he was hiding over five

27:17

hundred thousand dollars from the case he

27:19

was saying she was hiding that much

27:22

in financial. Assets from being recovered

27:24

as part of the depression

27:26

process. That. Is a very

27:28

very serious accusations anybody. That

27:30

to make an accusation like that against

27:32

a law professor, someone who was hoping

27:35

to have a legal career. Is

27:37

a huge deal. And

27:40

if the court had continue to dig into

27:42

this as they have started to do. Teaspoon

27:45

of alone a hole

27:47

in Wendy's entire career.

27:49

So it is a very, very big deal. And.

27:51

We will come back to this point next

27:54

week to keep it in your mind. The

27:56

thumbnail sticking with our timeline. About

27:59

a year sullivan. operation. Both

28:01

seemed to settle down a bit. Both Dan

28:03

and Wendy tried to move forward with their lives.

28:06

Wendy, although second to Alahasi, did meet a

28:08

new guy. Jeff LaCasse, a

28:10

social science professor at FSU. And

28:13

Dan got a new girlfriend too. Amy Adler,

28:15

a law professor at home at AU. Dan

28:18

was happy. Amy was a big deal. And

28:20

I absolutely do think the fact that

28:23

Amy Adler is a big deal probably

28:25

pissed Wendy off even more. You'll piss

28:27

anyone off. It's always horrible when they get

28:29

an upgrade. Yeah. Because by all

28:31

accounts, Wendy was not that

28:33

into Jeff. And now

28:36

she's stuck in Tallahassee because

28:38

of her ex, who's also now super

28:40

happy with a new woman, who's also

28:42

super high profile in the same academic

28:44

legal circles that Wendy moves in. It

28:47

would be annoying. Yeah. She has your job and she's

28:49

better than you at it. That is awful. But

28:53

now let's get back to where we were at the top

28:55

of the show. Dan was in hospital. And

28:58

miraculously he was still alive. But

29:01

things weren't looking good. So

29:03

the main question, obviously on everyone's lips was,

29:06

who could have done this? Dan

29:08

was a professor. Could it have been an angry student? It's not

29:11

the first time that's ever happened. Maybe

29:13

on his drive home from the gym, Dan had cut

29:15

someone off and it was a lethal case of road

29:17

rage. This is Florida. And

29:19

police also wondered, since Dan was a prominent character

29:21

in the legal world, had he

29:24

helped put someone away who was

29:26

now out and hell-bent on

29:28

revenge? Investigators were stumped.

29:31

They couldn't even reach Dan's parents after the murder. So

29:34

they tracked down Wendy, who was

29:36

having lunch with some friends and they

29:38

brought her into the police station. So

29:41

now, before we go any further, I

29:43

do have to say, like we noted at

29:45

the start, there have been five arrests, four

29:47

trials and four convictions in the murder of

29:50

Dan Markell. Wendy Adelson,

29:52

his ex-wife, has not been

29:54

arrested, has not stood trial

29:56

and has not been convicted

29:58

of Dan's murder. As

30:02

we go through the next part of this episode,

30:04

you will notice that we are highly suspicious of

30:06

her and her behaviour, even though she

30:08

has a solid alibi for the time of the

30:10

shooting. And that's because

30:12

the question isn't who killed Dan.

30:15

We know that, and we'll get to that very soon.

30:18

The question is, who knew that the

30:20

murder was going to happen? And

30:22

who was involved in the planning

30:25

and the execution? And

30:28

there is a reason that Wendy

30:30

is now, years later, regarded

30:32

to be an unindicted

30:34

co-conspirator. But at

30:37

the time of this interview, I think

30:39

the police didn't really know what to make of her, but

30:41

they err on the side of her being innocent.

30:45

So let's continue with our story. At

30:48

first, when the police picked Wendy up, they

30:50

didn't tell her what had actually happened, possibly

30:52

to try and gauge her behaviour and see if she

30:55

already knew. Eventually, once she

30:57

was in the interview room, this is

30:59

the start of the conversation between Wendy and

31:01

the police. There

31:04

was a shooting at

31:08

your ex-husband's home

31:10

at 2116. Trust

31:13

God. Your

31:17

husband, your ex-husband, excuse

31:19

me, Daniel, has been

31:21

taken to the hospital.

31:25

Well, before we get into everything that

31:31

happened, I want

31:38

to tell you something. Before

31:53

we get into everything, I have to

31:55

establish where you were and who you

31:57

were Okay,

32:00

and then once we establish all that,

32:02

I can give you more details. Okay. Do you

32:04

understand why I wanted you to come here before

32:06

I discuss this? Oh my God! I'm

32:34

sorry! I'm

32:44

sorry, but I

32:46

need to be

32:50

certain. Can

32:55

you... Let me get over this couple

32:57

of acts. Let me do that at

32:59

first. We

33:25

don't know how people will react in that moment, but... We've

33:34

had somebody very, very, very dear to me, and I didn't

33:37

want to be a caxon. And

33:44

when I was told what happened, it's like

33:46

I couldn't comprehend what I was even being

33:48

told. It wasn't thinking it,

33:50

it made absolutely no sense what this person was

33:52

saying to me. The words that they were saying

33:54

didn't make any sense. It was only hours

33:56

and hours later when I was with my family that I

33:59

fell apart. And Wendy

34:01

here, she just features

34:03

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34:05

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35:58

good does it serve? Uh,

36:02

I mean, my

36:05

brother, um, so his

36:07

name's Charlie, the one with the costume. He

36:10

made a lot of jokes about his, and he

36:12

was just a joke he made to both of

36:14

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36:16

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him about whatever he was talking about. He

36:21

fixed it, or whether I should get a

36:23

new one, or anything like that. But,

36:25

like, he didn't have

36:27

to get involved in the whole

36:29

process, so I looked at the hiring headband

36:31

and it was cheaper. He was

36:34

taking the TV and he was talking to the TV. Um,

36:36

he made the TV with

36:38

the house. He

36:40

was taking

36:43

the TV with him. He was taking care of

36:45

it, but his little video never ended. He made

36:47

some of the TV calls out to him. And

36:49

he was like, right here, just right there. And

36:52

he said he had a video of his account,

36:54

so I thought he'd know that it was a

36:56

ghost. And he got to the brother's account. And

36:58

he said, he had made a stupid divorce from

37:01

him. And he said, he

37:03

had a couple of other mistakes. So

37:05

funny. That's okay. Okay,

37:11

so just to clarify what Wendy is talking

37:13

about here. The day of

37:15

Dan's murder, she's at home with a

37:17

TV repairman, who came over to set

37:19

up a new TV. That her brother Charlie,

37:21

we'll get to him, had bought her. And

37:25

Charlie had made a joke when he bought this

37:27

TV, saying to Wendy that the TV

37:29

was her divorce present. Because

37:31

it was cheaper than hiring a hitman. Wendy

37:34

told the repairman this joke on the morning

37:36

that Dan got shot. And

37:38

then she told the police the very

37:41

same joke that afternoon. Which

37:44

obviously does seem quite highly incriminating against

37:46

Charlie. Because Dan did get murdered. And

37:49

she doesn't stop there. Well,

38:02

it's been, you guys have been divorced

38:04

for over a year. Has there been any type

38:06

of abuse in that part? Up

38:09

here towards me? No. No,

38:11

it's um, being litigious

38:13

and we have a lot going

38:15

on cancer. It's, it's a lot.

38:18

I just feel like I'm a little bit of a

38:20

creep. Maybe it's a bit of

38:22

a creep. Dot

38:27

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39:11

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39:16

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39:21

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39:29

this game I'm a little tired of the game and I don't

39:32

wanna get too broke. interview

39:35

withoberman Oh

39:37

God Go for it.

39:39

Go for it. Go

39:43

for it. Go for it. The

39:50

brother that you're real close to, I have to do a

39:53

lot of elimination at the same time, brother that

39:55

you're really close to, the

39:57

one that joked about the TV and everything, what'd you say it is now? I

40:00

don't know why he's driving in

40:02

the street room but I don't

40:06

know why he would be

40:08

here I've

40:20

been to a

40:23

different office

40:26

working for the

40:29

different

40:35

offices He works at different

40:37

offices all over the world

40:39

and plans for people And

40:42

he works really hard all the time

40:45

He's a girlfriend so he's pretty much

40:48

an alien from Oregon

40:50

Charlie's his first name Charlie's

40:53

his first name I

40:55

think Charles is his legal name and he's

40:58

not his local He works by a legal

41:00

system I'm

41:03

going to tell you what

41:07

The sex

41:09

phone Maybe you hear what's going

41:11

on No my God What?

41:16

Oh my God I can't believe

41:18

it's all over you Firstly, Charlie

41:20

Adelson being called a bit of

41:23

a character is the biggest

41:25

understatement in true crime history But

41:28

we'll come back to him in detail later For

41:32

now I'll just say that yes, Charlie

41:34

was a very successful dentist who worked

41:36

at our five different offices across Miami

41:39

But he worked at our five different offices because

41:41

apparently no one could bear working with him for more than

41:44

one day a week But

41:46

with regards to Wendy and what she's saying because that's what we're going

41:48

to focus on now When

41:50

you first listen, it

41:52

does sound like she's being genuine She's

41:55

very open and cooperative, she brings up the hitman joke

41:57

She even points to the fact that she's being genuine

42:00

that her own family hated Dan and therefore might

42:02

have had a motive to have him pluck. I

42:04

think it makes her seem innocent. Like

42:06

she's just thinking out loud not filtering

42:09

anything. She's totally lost and just

42:11

considering every both ability because she's so confused

42:13

and definitely not hiding anything.

42:17

There is so much that comes out

42:19

later that really points to Wendy and

42:22

her family having been involved. Spoilers. So

42:25

why oh why oh why

42:27

does she bring up her family and their

42:30

motives here? If she is

42:32

involved which like I said really fucking looks like I'll

42:34

have to learn later why does she

42:36

do this? Is it self-serving? Does

42:38

she know that the police might figure out what actually

42:40

happened and this is just a way to throw

42:42

the heat off herself? Is it a

42:44

double bluff? I don't know it's really confusing.

42:48

But she doesn't stop with the speculation because

42:50

on top of alluding to her family's potential

42:53

motives Wendy also pointed

42:55

the finger of suspicion at her

42:57

post divorce ex-boyfriend Jeff LaCasse. Yeah

43:01

so he and I would spend time together on

43:03

the nights or the days I didn't have the

43:05

boys and then when I had the boys he

43:07

never stayed over but he would sometimes join us for

43:09

dinner and play with the kids and then go home.

43:12

And things actually were great.

43:14

I was very happy and then

43:17

we went to Gainesville together. He's a

43:19

social work professor at FSU and he

43:21

was teaching at classic Gainesville and so

43:23

heading up the boys that weekend I

43:26

went with him to work on some

43:28

writing and we went

43:30

up to dinner we came home and he just

43:32

like was convinced that I'd

43:34

been cheating on him for months and like had

43:37

tried to get it and was just absolutely convinced

43:39

that I was cheating on him and I kept

43:41

telling him I wasn't and he just was I

43:44

felt like not very trusting of me and it

43:47

just made me feel really uncomfortable and after that

43:49

happened I wasn't sure that I wanted to be

43:51

with him anymore. I'm

43:58

wondering what brought this on the whole

44:00

not trusting thing. I mean, I'd been dating

44:03

someone else in the fall. And so he knew, he

44:05

had asked me, did you see someone else in the

44:07

fall? Kind of once things were good with us, maybe

44:09

around April. And I said I did. And I

44:12

told him about it. And

44:14

he felt like, I don't

44:16

know who's jealous of him. And he was like,

44:18

I don't want you to see him. And he

44:21

was the guy I was dating with leaving town. And

44:23

so I said, well, I want to go

44:25

get coffee for him with him before I

44:27

leave town. And he said, I really don't

44:30

want you to do that. And we had an argument

44:32

about it. And I went to have coffee with him

44:34

anyway. And he ended up at the

44:36

same coffee shop at the same time and saw us having

44:38

coffee and got really angry. What

44:42

was that? That was May.

44:45

Like mid to late May, maybe. OK. So you

44:47

think it was a coincidence? Or you think he

44:49

intentionally went for that? I think it was a

44:51

total coincidence. I was only there for 30 minutes.

44:54

And yeah, I think it just was a

44:56

small town. Here,

44:59

Wendy is subtly hinting at

45:02

Jeff being a bit crazy and suspicious.

45:05

She stops short of outright

45:07

accusing him. But she does

45:09

enough to plant a seed. Let's

45:12

get back to this Saturday. I

45:14

guess this past Saturday. Dad,

45:17

he got mad about it. I got mad. It was June 28.

45:19

It was before I left for Miami with the

45:21

void. OK. So. OK. The 13th, he went

45:24

out with

45:26

Jeff, went to the movie. The 14th, he went to yoga. He

45:29

went to yoga. Yeah. But no discussion. No,

45:32

you email him later. Just say, I'd like

45:34

a week, a week off. And

45:41

I'm sure. I mean, I don't know. Like you can find it

45:43

in my phone. It'll be in the email track of what I sent

45:45

him. Basically,

45:54

Jeff's saying I want some

45:56

time. He doesn't respond, but he brings some

45:58

gifts on Tuesday. Yes. But

46:01

you had no contact since the

46:03

yoga on Monday night. No. Nothing?

46:13

No contact at all since? No text. No

46:15

email. I told him. I said no. No

46:17

text, no email, no nothing. Like, thank you.

46:19

Is Jeff a violent version? No. Not

46:22

at all? No. Jeff

46:24

on a gun? I don't think

46:26

so. I mean, my guess

46:28

would be like 100% no, but I guess

46:33

I was only in his house one time. I mean, he certainly

46:35

could have a gun and I wouldn't know about it,

46:37

but he's... He was by himself. He was by himself.

46:39

He's never talked to me about a gun. I

46:42

mean, he was in the military, so... Oh,

46:46

he was in the military before? Yeah, he

46:48

grew up in California. His dad was

46:50

in the Air Force, and then he

46:53

was in the Air Force and ended up in

46:55

Eglen Air Force Base. And he started going to

46:57

community college and took classes and was

47:00

really bright and ended up doing a PhD here

47:02

at FSU and then taught in Arizona and

47:04

then just... Okay, so

47:06

we've really trimmed this interview down. If you want to

47:08

listen to the whole thing and like waste a million

47:10

years of your life, you can definitely do

47:13

so on YouTube. I've done it. It's

47:15

painful. But what you need

47:17

to know here is that Wendy goes

47:19

on and on and on and she

47:21

gives the police so much information about

47:23

Jeff. And again, Wendy

47:25

here is just subtly making Jeff sound

47:28

a bit mad. She's not

47:30

overdoing it, but it's building up to now.

47:33

But first the police try to establish a time

47:35

there. And Wendy, I have

47:37

to say, comes across overly precise about

47:39

that day. So exact.

47:43

I need to go back. I need a

47:45

timeline here. Um...

47:51

What time did you wake up this morning? Um,

47:53

a little before 8. I

47:56

know that because the repairman was supposed to be here between 8 and

47:58

12 and I didn't settle. So

48:00

I woke up like oh

48:02

god, let's put some clothes on and get

48:06

ready. Okay, what's

48:08

at 8 o'clock? He

48:10

calls, or like my mom calls, I could

48:13

see what time the calls came in but...

48:16

Let's see, it's starting

48:18

this morning. Yeah, my mom called at

48:20

809 and then the repair guy

48:22

called at 808 and then my mom called at 809 trying

48:26

to... Sorry,

48:31

so yeah, so then the repair guy calls and

48:33

I don't remember exactly what time you got there

48:35

but like between 8 and 9, probably closer to 9.

48:38

What time did he leave? Around

48:40

10. He could probably

48:42

tell you, like he'll have a record of what time he called in

48:47

to figure out whether to repair it or

48:49

buy anyone. So

48:52

he'll have a record of the calls too. Okay,

48:54

before 10am? A little

48:56

before 10am he left. Yeah. Okay.

49:00

And then you went back to working on

49:02

papers and so forth? Yeah, I was making

49:04

a... Skipping ahead, she says

49:06

that she left home to go to a

49:08

liquor store before going to lunch with one

49:10

of her friends. When you

49:12

went to the liquor store, did you already know what

49:14

you were going to get? Yeah, I went to get...

49:16

I had the name of... I don't know bourbon but

49:18

I was supposed to go to this party tonight. It's

49:20

like a stock bar party

49:22

and so I asked my friend what do they

49:24

like and she wrote down the name of the

49:26

type of bourbon. So I went in the store

49:29

to get B-U-L-E-I-T who they sent bourbon. So I

49:31

asked the guy in the store, like, where's your

49:33

bourbon? So he showed it to me and they

49:35

found it. Okay, so you just

49:37

went... he pointed out where the bourbon was. Yeah. Then

49:40

you go there and you just grabbed the brand that's familiar

49:42

by the name? Yeah, that's what they said they wanted.

49:44

Okay, so you didn't discuss what the... Clark

49:47

was as good, whether he was bad. The only thing

49:49

I said I discussed is I walked over and he

49:51

was like, can I see your ID? And I was

49:53

like, oh, why are you laughing? I could be 18.

49:56

And so I was like, I love to

49:58

be asked how old I am. I'm just

50:00

the oldest dirt, here you go." And so I handed it to

50:02

him and he's like, you're not old. Okay.

50:07

So anyway, we had like a little banter and he was like,

50:09

your eyes are so blue. And I was like, thank you. And

50:12

when it was old. Wendy is just

50:14

all over the place during this interview, going

50:16

from historically crying to making jokes and

50:19

doing her weird eye color flex, but

50:21

let's keep going. And now at

50:23

the end of the interview, Wendy lands

50:26

her final blows on Dan's new girlfriend,

50:28

Amy. Amy's ex-husband. And

50:31

of course, her ex-boyfriend Jess. I

50:35

think I'm not very creepy. I'm

50:37

not really. But I'm a very small

50:39

baby. I'm a very small baby. I'm

50:42

a crazy-drenched person. Often,

50:45

I feel like I'm a good person. And

50:49

that's why I feel like I'm a toughball. I'm

50:52

a little bit familiar with Amy, but I don't feel as well. But

50:55

that is a very small ball, because I'm the one who

50:57

loves Amy. I believe that's even for your baby. The

51:05

kids don't have a father. You

51:14

have that logic of that

51:16

blaming. Like, in

51:18

a different time, but that's not the way

51:20

to think. And

51:24

you said yourself, if anyone took this other part,

51:29

they are clearly not in their right mind.

51:38

I feel like, by complaining about how difficult

51:40

he was, like, I inspired this little girl to

51:42

see. Okay.

51:46

You want their divorce. You're not

51:48

the only person to complain about

51:51

there's going to be ex-bounds, ex-bounds.

51:56

Divorces aren't really things that happen to people

51:58

that are going to be happy. together

52:00

and each person is going to talk

52:02

to their person. Okay,

52:06

you did what you needed to do for yourself. And

52:12

just because you decided as friends

52:14

and family and got the

52:16

support that you needed, does

52:19

it give anyone in your friends or

52:21

family the

52:24

authorization or even to conclude that that

52:28

was an okay thing to do and who

52:30

was even something like that. You

52:37

don't say with someone forever just

52:39

in case something might happen. He

52:43

was like, would have just like, really did

52:45

this by asking for a time away from

52:47

him. But

52:50

he kind of said anything that would indicate that

52:52

he would think Jeff had

52:54

anything against. I mean,

52:56

he doesn't like Danny because Danny

52:58

hurt me. But what

53:00

would make you go to this extreme?

53:02

Just think. Just think what would make me think

53:05

that. I'm a

53:07

very nervous, my

53:09

name's Hollyweger. She's

53:13

helped for me. She's

53:17

good. She's so good. Just

53:20

casual, gentle misdirection here and there,

53:22

the push, the pull, the sprinkling

53:24

of tears, that it's all my

53:26

fault. Whoever did this, I'm to

53:28

blame. Oh, I feel so guilty.

53:31

And it works. The cops at

53:33

this point eat it up. It's

53:36

this whole, I'm just a victim. Oh my God. What if Jeff

53:38

did this because I needed some time away from him and that

53:40

made him crazy because he loves me so much and it pushed

53:42

him over the edge and blah, blah, blah, blah. But

53:46

Jeff happened to have a stone cold alibi

53:48

and he had receipts. But

53:51

don't you worry, we will come

53:53

back to Jeff's police interview later on.

53:57

For now, you can see that Wendy is pointing

53:59

the finger at... And on

54:02

one hand you could say she's trying to help. She

54:04

really really wants this solved so she's trying to

54:06

think of any possibility, anyone who could have done

54:09

this, anyone who had a motive. But

54:11

it also again really feels like

54:13

she's just trying to get the

54:15

investigators to look everywhere else except

54:18

at her. I think that

54:20

what you are listening to in these police

54:22

interviews is Wendy in pink self-preservation

54:24

mode and she is willing to point

54:27

the finger at anybody to protect

54:29

herself. Now another interesting

54:31

thing that comes up during this interview is

54:33

that Wendy also admits that after

54:35

the murder she tried to

54:38

drive past Trescot Drive which

54:40

is the road where Dan lived. I

54:43

was there, I didn't leave this morning, I didn't

54:45

leave until noon. Okay. Oh

54:48

my god. And I tried to drive

54:50

up Trescot and I thought it was locked.

54:53

It was locked at some point. I'm not

54:55

sure what time it was locked. I just

54:57

thought maybe some train is down or something.

55:00

Oh you're saying that you drove down which

55:02

one of the side roads? When I was

55:04

going to a press party the night

55:06

I attended, it was like, oh

55:09

my god what are you

55:11

talking about? No I went to

55:13

drive from my place. Trescot

55:17

got to get to the ABC liquor and

55:19

it was locked so I just turned around,

55:21

it was on the phone at the time,

55:24

I wasn't paying a lot of attention. Okay

55:26

you went down which road you said? I

55:29

went down Trescot, I saw a police car

55:32

there and I just thought it was locked

55:34

so I just turned around and drove

55:36

to go and I went

55:39

down there at the center of

55:41

my lawn. I went

55:43

up to the cross with the ABC

55:45

liquor spot in the Bourbon. I'm a

55:47

little confused, you're up on the center of the

55:50

road. What's your purpose of

55:52

driving down Trescot? It's usually the shortcut to

55:54

get to Monroe. To get to

55:56

Monroe? I usually take it as a cut through to

55:58

get to Thomasville or Monroe. Okay, all

56:00

right, so you... I don't know, I said

56:02

Monroe, I was thinking Mosaic Monroe, Thomasville. Okay,

56:05

so when you come down into town on Centerville...

56:07

Hey, let's do these cuts. You're just Scott. Just

56:09

Scott, and you just drive by your old house? Well,

56:11

I do it as a way of, like, coming

56:14

in terms of the divorce, but yeah. Sometimes I

56:16

drive there, if I'm too sad, I drive around.

56:19

The kids aren't home, and I know they're not home. I

56:21

feel better about driving by the house,

56:23

but yeah. Sure. I usually drive

56:25

by. It's shorter than going all the way

56:28

down to bed? All the way down to Centerville

56:30

and around Benton, sort of the shortcut I just took. Okay,

56:32

so you turned around and went back to Centerville, I tell

56:34

you. Yeah. Down to Benton.

56:37

I went to the liquor store down there on

56:39

Thomasville. Yeah. The one at Benton Road. ABC

56:42

Liquors, it said. Yeah, Benton. As

56:46

you can hear there, the police officer

56:48

is challenging Wendy, because this is not

56:50

the way she needed to drive to

56:52

run errands that day. And

56:54

she's asked about this repeatedly. Here

56:57

she says she tried driving down Trescot, because

56:59

the kids had been there or something. It's

57:02

not really clear. But later

57:04

on, she says that she just liked to

57:06

drive that way because it was the way

57:08

she knew she's not very good at navigating,

57:10

and she liked these roads that she felt

57:13

comfortable with. Okay, Olivia Rodrigo. Like, what? That

57:15

makes no sense. Of course

57:17

it doesn't, and that's why the police officer is

57:19

repeatedly asking her to clarify. But.

57:24

That day, Wendy saw that the road was

57:27

blocked off by crime scene tape,

57:29

and police cars were everywhere. But

57:32

that didn't alarm her, apparently. No, so

57:34

she says, I tried to drive

57:36

down Trescot Drive, even though that's not the way

57:38

I needed to go to ABC Liquor. It's

57:42

completely blocked off by the time she gets there,

57:44

but apparently that sets off no alarm bells for

57:46

her whatsoever. It makes

57:48

no sense. Especially when

57:50

you consider that her kids had spent the

57:52

previous night on that road, and

57:55

she didn't call down to ask what happened. lunch

58:00

with her friends all the way to the

58:02

police station which is a 20 minute drive.

58:05

According to the officers, Wendy never once

58:08

asked what was going on. I'm sorry. Come

58:11

on. You're having lunch with

58:13

your friends. The police come

58:15

and say you need to come with us to the

58:17

station and you do not ask them for 20 minutes.

58:19

Why? How? Especially

58:22

after you just drove past your old fucking road

58:24

where your children spent the night before and your

58:26

ex-husband lives and there was police swarming everywhere. You

58:28

got no questions about that, Wendy. Not one? Okay,

58:31

sure. And also

58:33

like, she's a little brother. I

58:36

know. It's unbelievable. Apparently

58:39

if we are to believe Wendy,

58:41

she only found out about the

58:44

shooting of her soon to be

58:46

ex-husband in the interrogation room. However,

58:49

once Wendy did start talking, she was very open

58:51

with the police. She sat with

58:53

them for hours answering all of their questions and

58:55

she gives them her fingerprints and her DNA and

58:58

lets them take photos and even repeatedly says that

59:00

she understands why they have to treat her like

59:02

a suspect. It's very much

59:04

just sort of like, don't worry, I'm on your side. I know where

59:06

you have to do this. You're just doing your job. Look how transparent

59:08

and nice I am. Team Wendy.

59:11

Oh my God. It's so manipulative. She's

59:13

like, I totally get why I'm a

59:15

suspect. But of course, anything you

59:18

need. At one point, the police are like, Wendy,

59:20

can we take your laptop? And she's like, oh

59:22

yeah, like, yes, of course you can take it. It has

59:24

got my work stuff on it though. And they're like, oh,

59:27

do you want to take something off this for work? And she's like, but

59:30

to be honest, I guess I'm not really going to be going

59:32

to work. And anyway, this is so much more important. So yes,

59:34

of course, just take it. I'm like, shut up, Wendy. Shut the

59:36

fuck up. I'm

59:39

trying so hard to be balanced about this

59:42

whole thing, but it's really hard with Wendy

59:44

Adelson. So yeah, I think it's

59:46

very, very obvious to see that Wendy

59:48

is playing there. I'm no threat.

59:50

I'm on your side card. And again,

59:53

sure, maybe she is just genuinely trying to

59:55

be helpful because she wants this case solved.

59:58

But if I... hadn't

1:00:00

done it if I hadn't shot my husband

1:00:02

in the head. And I

1:00:04

was questioned by police for almost five hours.

1:00:06

Could that how long this goes on for?

1:00:09

Yeah, OJ Simpson, if I did it by Surishi

1:00:11

Butler. Exactly. I wouldn't

1:00:13

be so concerned with how I was

1:00:15

coming across. I'd be

1:00:17

furious after the first, say, hour

1:00:19

that they were wasting their time talking to me

1:00:22

when they should be out there looking for the

1:00:24

killer. And I would also be furious that

1:00:26

I was being kept from my children, because she's in there

1:00:28

for five hours on

1:00:30

the day that her children's father has been shot

1:00:33

in the head. But she's

1:00:35

very happy to sit there, go

1:00:37

through everything, even adding, and I

1:00:39

have listened to this five

1:00:41

hour police interview twice.

1:00:45

I wanted to claw the skin

1:00:47

from my face off. But

1:00:49

in this, she even sits there adding

1:00:52

in hours and hours of totally unnecessary,

1:00:54

boring, mundane information about

1:00:56

her life. Stuff that the

1:00:59

police aren't even asking her, because she

1:01:01

thinks it makes her come across really

1:01:03

like personable and affable and like friendly

1:01:05

and haha. She even like kind of

1:01:07

like flirtatious. I'm like, are

1:01:09

you serious Wendy? I don't

1:01:11

get it. She gives an absolutely mind numbing amount

1:01:13

of detail about totally irrelevant things. And

1:01:15

she constantly makes these weird little jokes and

1:01:18

little comments and little asides with the interview

1:01:20

all to get them to be

1:01:22

on her side. And I have to admit that

1:01:24

it works. Yeah. There's

1:01:26

hyperventilating as well, which if you watch

1:01:29

the whole interview, like Saru did, good

1:01:31

luck. She also audibly sighs at random

1:01:33

points, which makes me feel like

1:01:35

she gets the answer that she wants. And she's a

1:01:37

bit relieved. It really is a one point she's

1:01:39

like, because Dan's not dead when they first pick

1:01:41

her up. He's in hospital, but he's not dead.

1:01:43

He died like 18 hours after he's been shot.

1:01:45

But Wendy's own, she's like, is he

1:01:47

still alive? And they're like, yes, but it's not

1:01:50

looking good. And they're like, is there any chance

1:01:52

he can pull through? Is there any chance? And

1:01:54

yes, in one way you could think

1:01:56

that if somebody desperate that have x-horses

1:01:58

survived, but in another. The

1:02:00

bit the clinches is when they're like all

1:02:02

we can say right now is that it's not looking good

1:02:05

and most likely He's not gonna survive she

1:02:07

goes I

1:02:30

just like I'm not gonna I can't show

1:02:32

up for like maybe a

1:02:35

2-0 So I don't

1:02:37

know It was

1:02:39

like people just got to tell people it was 2-0

1:02:43

I got back home from like 10 years ago and now that she's

1:02:45

like out Well she said she saw us and

1:02:47

then I never heard her Well she said she heard

1:02:49

there was a shooting on Trescot I thought

1:02:52

she was around here and maybe he was

1:02:54

rolling around and she saw Trescot But

1:02:57

out is like 3-0 Well

1:03:00

I can tell you that there was news media out

1:03:02

there With cameras but I don't know

1:03:04

if anything Did

1:03:07

you see your camera? Okay Um,

1:03:09

people don't look at her for information on

1:03:11

shooting information I'm asking for you to

1:03:14

like, refer to that

1:03:16

I don't want to like, because

1:03:18

she knows how people are what

1:03:21

she can right now And there's

1:03:23

those maybe things that are

1:03:25

worse for you Um, I would

1:03:27

say that right now You know,

1:03:29

I would not deny anybody that

1:03:31

something could happen I'm gonna call

1:03:33

and cancel I'm supposed to be

1:03:35

at a party tonight like Okay,

1:03:38

I can't basically change her office first minute

1:03:41

Do I can't tell people I'm just not

1:03:43

gonna be able to be there I'll

1:03:45

talk to you later in the event Okay

1:03:48

Okay Um, I

1:03:50

don't want you, I don't want you not to

1:03:52

have a support network with friends Yeah, well I

1:03:54

won't tell who needs to know but like I

1:03:57

also I don't, I don't I

1:04:01

don't know what to do about the

1:04:03

kids with really young children. I

1:04:07

don't know what to do about the kids

1:04:10

with really young children. I'm

1:04:12

not really sure, but I also understand that there's

1:04:14

a social media ad out there. I

1:04:17

would like to provide the information so

1:04:19

I will want to make things right

1:04:22

in some way in terms of being able to

1:04:24

find someone. I

1:04:27

would just only tell the people that need

1:04:29

to know what's closest to you for your

1:04:31

benefit. Anyone

1:04:33

else that is anymore, you

1:04:36

can tell anything. Please

1:04:38

ask me not to discuss. I'm

1:04:41

sorry. I'm

1:04:44

used to that. Okay.

1:04:47

Do you have any questions?

1:04:52

I have a question.

1:04:57

Do you have any

1:05:00

questions? Do

1:05:02

you have any personal feedback

1:05:04

for the comments? Thank

1:05:07

you, Christina. That's kind of how I'd like

1:05:09

to know. So

1:05:12

it does seem reasonably obvious that Wendy is

1:05:14

trying to disarm her interviewers by coming

1:05:16

across as confused and naive and

1:05:19

not wanting to hurt the investigation. And

1:05:21

then we've got the personal fave, your

1:05:23

job is very hard. Her

1:05:27

ex-husband, the father of her children, has

1:05:29

just been shot twice in the face, but

1:05:31

her focus seems to be being

1:05:34

liked. Are there people interrogating her? Yeah.

1:05:37

When she turns to the victim liaison

1:05:39

officer and is like, your job is very hard,

1:05:41

I'm like, your ex-husband is dead.

1:05:44

Why are you telling this woman who's being paid

1:05:46

to sit there that her job is very hard?

1:05:49

It's so mind boggling. Now,

1:05:51

I also feel like the

1:05:54

question that Wendy asks about

1:05:56

weekend plans that you

1:05:58

just heard is titular. check almost,

1:06:00

I think, how long the

1:06:02

police are going to keep up that. And

1:06:05

you can tell that Wendy realised it was

1:06:07

weird to ask about the plans. So she

1:06:09

so obviously in real time twists

1:06:11

it to be like, oh, but what can

1:06:14

I tell people? That's what I mean. What can

1:06:16

I tell people? And I'm just like,

1:06:18

oh my God, Wendy, I really can't help but feeling

1:06:20

like it's her checking. Do I need to worry? Are

1:06:22

they going to say, I wouldn't

1:06:24

worry about your weekend plans love because you're

1:06:26

not going anywhere? Or will

1:06:28

they say what they did say, which

1:06:30

is just basically do what you

1:06:33

want. But the whole thing of her being like,

1:06:35

I just don't want to say anything to jeopardise

1:06:37

the investigation. So what should I

1:06:39

do with my weekend plans? And I really think

1:06:41

she's testing the water to see what they're going

1:06:43

to say.

1:06:46

And then the next day, Dan Markell died

1:06:48

in hospital. So now

1:06:50

we've got a murder investigation. And

1:06:53

the police were up to their eyeballs and potential

1:06:55

suspects following their chat with a finger pointing Wendy.

1:06:58

So they start scouring through CCTV and find

1:07:01

Dan leaving the gym the morning that he

1:07:03

died. Investigators spot on the footage a car

1:07:05

following Dan out of the car park. As

1:07:08

they traced Dan's journey that day, there it

1:07:11

is. On bus footage and

1:07:13

on shot cameras. The same

1:07:15

car again and again, trailing

1:07:17

right behind Dan the whole morning.

1:07:20

And then that car was seen driving away

1:07:22

from the murder scene at the exact time

1:07:25

after Dan was killed. This

1:07:28

car was a silver pine Prius. It's

1:07:30

an odd shade of car, pale, silvery green,

1:07:33

not something that you would see every day. And

1:07:36

that was very helpful to investigators

1:07:38

because frustratingly from every

1:07:40

angle of CCTV they had, the

1:07:43

car's license plate was unreadable.

1:07:46

Now this was a real stumbling block for detectives.

1:07:49

And after this, a year

1:07:51

passed with no new leads and

1:07:53

no new information. It

1:07:56

looked like whoever had done this might just get away with

1:07:58

it. On the one

1:08:00

year anniversary of Dan's murder, the police

1:08:02

re-released the image of the car and

1:08:05

the reward money was up to $100,000. And

1:08:08

I really don't know why it took them

1:08:11

this long to make this a realisation, because

1:08:13

it was at this point that detectives

1:08:15

also noticed that the car

1:08:18

did have some standout features other

1:08:20

than being a weird silvery green

1:08:22

colour. It had

1:08:24

a black passenger side mirror, while

1:08:26

the other side mirror was the same colour as a car,

1:08:28

as you'd expect. So this black

1:08:30

one was clearly some sort of repair job.

1:08:34

The car also had a sunpass

1:08:36

transponder, which I had

1:08:38

to look up, but it basically looks like

1:08:41

a smallish white box that you

1:08:43

stick to the front of your car to automatically pay

1:08:45

for tolls. But apparently, there

1:08:48

aren't really that many tolls around Tallahassee, so it's

1:08:50

not a common thing to see on Tallahassee carts.

1:08:53

It's much more a south or central Florida

1:08:55

thing. So,

1:08:58

police spread the search statewide and found

1:09:00

that there was one car that matched

1:09:02

the silvery green Prius with the ship's

1:09:04

side mirror description. That had

1:09:07

indeed had its sunpass scanned

1:09:09

at a toll on its way to

1:09:11

Tallahassee. And that car

1:09:13

had come from Miami, which as we already

1:09:15

know is 400 miles and 7 and a bit hours

1:09:18

away. Investigators

1:09:21

were able to track this car to

1:09:23

a rental agency in Miami and the

1:09:25

paperwork showed that a man named Luis

1:09:27

Rivera had hired it. And

1:09:31

there was another name on the car hire contract,

1:09:34

someone called Siegfriedo Garcia, and

1:09:37

in the contract it was noted that he was Rivera's

1:09:39

brother, but in reality, they were

1:09:41

childhood friends. But

1:09:43

regardless, from the

1:09:45

contract, the police had both of these

1:09:47

men's phone numbers and investigators

1:09:49

used their cell site data to show

1:09:52

that these two men had travelled from

1:09:54

Miami to Tallahassee and that they

1:09:56

were in the vicinity of Trescot Drive on the

1:09:58

day that Dan Markell was placed. 34

1:10:02

year old Garcia aka Tuto was

1:10:05

a low-level felon. He'd had a

1:10:07

few arrests for fishing without a license and possession

1:10:09

of cocaine but 33

1:10:11

year old Luis Rivera

1:10:13

aka King Tato was

1:10:16

a top dog player within

1:10:18

the Miami Beach chapter of

1:10:20

the notorious Latin Kings. So King

1:10:23

Tato does just sound like a

1:10:25

royal Mr. Potato Head. Well, yeah,

1:10:27

it sounds like the mascot of

1:10:30

some crisps. So the

1:10:32

police finally knew who had been in that

1:10:34

silver green car on the day that Dan

1:10:36

had died. But the case was

1:10:38

still as confusing as ever. What

1:10:41

link was there between a Miami

1:10:43

gangbanger and a law professor in

1:10:45

Tallahassee? Why would these

1:10:47

two men drive over seven hours

1:10:49

to kill Dan Markel? It

1:10:52

was clear to detectives that at this point,

1:10:54

the only thing that made any sense was

1:10:56

that this was a hired hit. By

1:10:59

the time the police identified Garcia and Rivera

1:11:01

as the shooters over a year

1:11:04

after the killing, Rivera was already

1:11:06

in federal prison on a separate racketeering

1:11:08

charge. When questioned by the

1:11:10

police, he initially denied everything until

1:11:12

they presented him with a rather inconvenient

1:11:15

picture of him and Garcia in

1:11:17

that green proof. So

1:11:19

Rivera started to spill the dirty beans

1:11:21

pretty quickly. He told

1:11:23

investigators that a year before the murder, Garcia had

1:11:25

approached him and said that they needed to go

1:11:27

to Tallahassee for a job. Rivera

1:11:29

assumed that it was a robbery and so

1:11:31

he agreed. But

1:11:34

once they got to Tallahassee, Garcia told them

1:11:36

that they were actually there to kill this

1:11:38

man, Dan Markel. And Rivera

1:11:41

claimed that he wasn't interested. He

1:11:43

says that he told Garcia that the money

1:11:45

being offered wasn't worth it. So

1:11:48

they did actually turn back and just head

1:11:50

home. But a

1:11:53

year later, Garcia called Rivera

1:11:55

again and said that the

1:11:57

hit was back on. And according to

1:11:59

Rivera, Garcia told him that quote, some

1:12:01

woman needs her kids back, so we have to go and

1:12:03

kill this man. But it wasn't

1:12:06

some chivalrous act of murder because Garcia also

1:12:08

confirmed that they would be getting paid well.

1:12:11

And so he agreed. The pair of them hired

1:12:14

the green Prius, they drove 400 miles up

1:12:16

to Tallahassee and they found their mark. Rivera

1:12:18

claimed that he had just done the driving and that it was

1:12:20

Garcia who had fired the shots. So

1:12:23

the police arrested Garcia in May

1:12:25

2016, two

1:12:27

years after Dan's death. And

1:12:30

the police actually managed to keep the details

1:12:33

of Garcia's arrest and what Rivera had told

1:12:35

them under tight wraps. They

1:12:37

even got both of their probable

1:12:39

cause affidavits for their arrests sealed.

1:12:42

This was a paid for hit. So

1:12:44

they needed to find out who was behind

1:12:47

it without tipping them off. And

1:12:50

police questioned Rivera on if he knew

1:12:52

where his money was coming from. He

1:12:55

said it was coming from Katie.

1:12:58

Katie or Catherine McBannower was

1:13:00

Garcia's on again, off again girlfriend and the

1:13:02

mother of his two kids. And

1:13:05

apparently she told Garcia who at the time

1:13:07

she was not in a relationship with, if

1:13:09

you want me back, you gotta do this shit.

1:13:12

So Garcia agreed. According

1:13:15

to Rivera, Katie was the one

1:13:17

setting the entire thing up. He

1:13:20

said that she was quote, the one

1:13:22

between the woman who wanted this done

1:13:25

and us. Rivera

1:13:27

even claimed that Katie and Garcia

1:13:29

were in almost constant contact during

1:13:32

the men's trip to Tallahassee. So

1:13:35

she was very involved and

1:13:37

wanted to know exactly what was going on. Apparently

1:13:41

during the journey from Miami to

1:13:43

Tallahassee, you know, to murder a

1:13:45

man, Rivera had spotted

1:13:47

an owl that he thought

1:13:49

looked cool. He

1:13:52

snapped a picture of it and posted

1:13:54

it on Instagram. Katie

1:13:56

saw this picture and

1:13:59

went absolutely fucking. mental asking

1:14:01

Garcia is he stupid which

1:14:04

is like this is just the fucking

1:14:06

stupidest part of this whole story because Rivera

1:14:08

asked them what so you two can be

1:14:10

on the phone texting and chatting the entire

1:14:13

time on your very trackable mobile phones but

1:14:15

I can't share my hashtag outfit

1:14:17

and crisscross applesauce pictures. Rivera

1:14:20

is stupid but he does make a good

1:14:22

point I think. So

1:14:25

after Algate chat when the police pushed

1:14:27

Rivera on who was paying Katie the

1:14:29

money for the murder he

1:14:31

told them that dentist she's fucking.

1:14:34

So who was this dentist

1:14:39

could it be? Charlie

1:14:41

Adelson, Wendy's brother. Yes

1:14:44

because it turned out Katie and Charlie had

1:14:46

been dating. And

1:14:48

guess where Katie had been getting regular

1:14:51

checks from? The Adelson

1:14:53

Institute, the successful dental

1:14:56

practice that Charlie, Wendy's brother had bought

1:14:58

off their dad Harvey. But

1:15:01

there was no paperwork anywhere at this business

1:15:03

linking Katie to actually working there so

1:15:05

the police decided to pay the surgery

1:15:07

a little visit. And

1:15:09

this is the call that the office manager made

1:15:11

to Charlie. Hey what's

1:15:13

going on? Is here asking for

1:15:16

records for Katie? For what?

1:15:19

That she worked here? I

1:15:21

wouldn't. I wouldn't. She

1:15:23

worked there but I don't

1:15:25

know what you want. So

1:15:28

the American descent there Erica. Yeah. Give

1:15:30

me a favor. I'm not there right now and

1:15:34

I'm in surgery. It's

1:15:38

not my office. It's my

1:15:41

dad's office so

1:15:43

I can't give anything out.

1:15:47

I don't have access to it. I don't know where

1:15:49

anything is. I would not speak to

1:15:51

anybody. You can

1:15:55

talk to whoever you want. I shouldn't say it on block tape. It's not

1:15:57

my office. The office was sold back to my office. that

1:16:00

actually over a long time. So tell

1:16:02

them that you're

1:16:05

talking to the long Dr. Anderson. I

1:16:07

mean, it's not your office. You can't

1:16:09

get that. No, yeah. They're still within

1:16:11

20 days of order statutes provided by

1:16:13

the bus cars with green.

1:16:15

Are they there now or are they expanding?

1:16:17

They're there. They're just waiting for me to come back.

1:16:22

Oh, and they want records? Yes. Do

1:16:25

me a favor. I'm going to call you from

1:16:27

the land line on your cell phone, okay?

1:16:29

Okay. That

1:16:32

is the fucking dodgiest call I've ever heard in my life.

1:16:36

One of the things investigators look for in

1:16:38

cases like this is consciousness

1:16:40

of guilt. And

1:16:42

this call sure sounds like Charlie Aylson

1:16:44

has something to be guilty about, especially

1:16:47

when you consider that Katie McManuar

1:16:50

had made a multitude of small cash deposits amounting

1:16:52

to over $44,000 in the months after Dan's murder.

1:16:58

And then Katie started getting monthly

1:17:00

checks from the Aylston Institute, totaling

1:17:03

to another 13,000. And

1:17:06

guess who had been signing off those payments? Donna

1:17:10

Aylson, Charlie and Wendy's mum.

1:17:14

On top of this, Katie also

1:17:17

got herself a boob job from a

1:17:19

top rated and very expensive

1:17:21

plastic surgeon in Coral Gables.

1:17:24

This boob job costs almost $7,000. But

1:17:27

Katie only paid for half of it. The

1:17:29

other half was paid for by Charlie

1:17:31

Aylson, who by this

1:17:33

point, remember, she was no longer in a

1:17:35

relationship with. So why exactly

1:17:38

is he paying for her new fake

1:17:40

boobs? Meanwhile,

1:17:42

Garcia and Rivera, prior

1:17:44

to his racketeering arrest, that is,

1:17:46

were also splashing the mysterious cash

1:17:48

on things like motorbikes. It

1:17:51

all looked pretty fishy to the police. And

1:17:54

that was before the FBI got involved. And

1:17:56

put a tap on Katie and Charlie. about

1:18:00

the Edelfins, just how messed up

1:18:02

the entire family dynamic there was. What

1:18:05

exactly Charlie had been up to? And

1:18:07

how Katie and her fake boobs fitted into all of

1:18:09

this. You'll have to join us next

1:18:11

week for the concluding part of

1:18:13

this incredibly bizarre story. Yeah,

1:18:15

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