In this episode Kara got to fangirl as she spoke with one of her favorite artists, David Hayward. David was a pastor for over 30 years before leaving the church and using his art to deconstruct his faith and get more in touch with who he is. His art is helping others do the same. Kara and David talk about getting to the “naked truth” and how some of this practice and knowledge can be applied to parenting. Together they explore their beliefs and their hope for the church. 

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