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This Reggie atl , coming to you from love city of Atlanta

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, georgia , going out to the

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always beautiful weather City

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of Los Angeles with the now Lewis to know how's

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it going .

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No , I'm splendid , you know I'm not here enjoying

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everything nice , sunny , warm

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. I mean , it's winter , so it's

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warm .

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What are we guys doing with 70 ? There is like 68

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.

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Frigid , frigid 76

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, I don't oh .

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I'm so glad that you were even able to join

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us for this show . I appreciate you . You take

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us some time out there . Yeah

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, I should make some other check on you first

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and be like , hey , I was the weather out there and if

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it's , like you know , 73 will we'll schedule

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for another week , see

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. So there's

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been some crazy things going on around the world and

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and somebody I wasn't really

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gonna do a show on On

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this particular subject , because there's a touchy subject on both

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sides of the issue , especially what's going on Israel

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, with Israel and Palestine right now , and

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that's been , I , kind of an ongoing situation

1:05

for anybody's even remotely paid

1:07

attention to that . It's been an ongoing situation

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, I think , since Israel

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was established here 1947 , like it's been on

1:14

every since then , like it's been issues

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every since , every since its inception

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. So We'll

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kind of talk about that a little bit . I had a coworker

1:25

who was kind of like the we're

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gonna go to war and it's like it's gonna be that this world

1:29

war and they're just thinking like the world's already gonna come to an end

1:31

and stuff like that . And those are some of my younger

1:33

coworkers , I mean he's coerced like like 19 and 20

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. They just like it's over , like it there's no , there's

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no reason to go on . Have

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you know ? I know you haven't lived on the rock , but not

1:45

everybody pays attention to this stuff ? Have you looked

1:48

into our scene and get asked up on on the news and

1:50

stuff to even watch the news ? And now , not everybody Watch the

1:52

news like I do . I'm on news junkie . You watch ? Yeah , I

1:54

watch .

1:55

Yeah , I watch news . I want to be informed about what's going

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on , even the good , the bad , whatever . But

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I do know people who will not watch the news

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. I was like , how , like ? How do you , how

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do you exist ? How are you not ?

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right , it's oblivious to stuff , right , it's walking around

2:07

. I mean that must be a nice life , though right to just

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not know what's going on ever . Just

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know who our last president was like ? Do you

2:14

even know what that was like ?

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Nobody told him . No , it's weird , I guess

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All exposed

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.

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I mean it's it's it's a

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tragic situation and , you know , even with the

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Russian and Ukraine situation situation , because I feel like

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that's it that kind of ties in , because you have all

2:32

these Factors right , not just

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what's going on with Israel and Palestine . It's not

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like the Russia Ukraine situation came to a head

2:38

, because that's something that started . It's something that's

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kind of ongoing as well . And

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then you have North Korea

2:44

said they're gonna be probably testing

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news , like they always say . South Korea said

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they're like that they're going to Try

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to remove the regime . If they do , you

2:53

have all these issues , you know , and

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China's always constant I don't mess with us , no matter what

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. So

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you have all these issues kind of kind of come to a head . Do

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you remember a time in our lifetime where there was

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just so much stuff happening at the same

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time ?

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I don't . I mean , maybe because I was

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younger I was unaware of all of that , because

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you know , when you're your kid you're like out

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of sight , out of mind , you know . But now

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it's just , I don't . I don't feel like there

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was a time like like we have now . I

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have nothing to relate it to . So I think that's why I'm

3:22

just like this is this is kind of crazy , like

3:24

this . Just the last couple of years , the

3:27

last five years , I just been wild

3:29

right . Wow , I'm like how are they gonna

3:32

tell people about this ?

3:34

It's interesting because you think about the times in

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the past , right ? So when you think about past times

3:38

, past wars , past times

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of conflict , civil rights

3:42

era here in the United States and things

3:44

like that and even other , you go

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back to these ancient Eras . Are they like bubonic

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plague and certain things that have just changed

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whole , whole cultures

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and countries and in areas and people

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live through them ? You know and you

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wonder , like man , what was that

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like ? But here we are and

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we're not living to something like the bug play , but People

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and you

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do have what hopefully won't

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be a world war but a ton of different ongoing

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conflicts at the same time . I

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don't know if I feel like this is the closest we've

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been to like an actual war situation

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, only because we I Don't

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really want to say that until it actually happens . You

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know to me like I feel like there's so much with

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people , everybody having nukes and everything

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. I think there's like a mutual interest

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in that not happening .

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What are your no , I would definitely

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agree , like self-preservation is the

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way the US likes to go . So

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I just don't see us really going all out

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for anything . But

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I also think we have different technology available

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to us that wasn't around before Internet

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, all the end to cut things off . You know there's , there's

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different , there's a whole this

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, a whole nother set of circumstances that I just

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think , even if we did go to pull on more , it was

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just I don't know if it would be the same as before . I

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mean not that I remember it before , but I'm just saying

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like , would

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it be it ? Would it ? It

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would be Cyber

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war . I don't think it would be . Just , you know

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boots to the ground , all kind of stuff like drones

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and everything else . Like you'd actually you

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, we might be shocked to see what the US

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has in store for people , like what

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they've been working on in the military and all of that

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, because you know a lot of that stuff . They don't really disseminate

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that information everybody . But I'm like

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we might be shocked to find out like , whoa , y'all

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, y'all have that capability . Oh , you could do that

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like Is that okay , is this

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ethical ? I

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feel like that would really that would

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be the way that the US would go and

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it's a little scary , it honestly

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, to see Distance of

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a be on the , on the edge of that , like

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to be so close to that kind of

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reality . It's kind of crazy . Because

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then I'm thinking as a kid , you never even thought about

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that , I wouldn't , that would seem so distant

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right . Yes , and now it's like it's present

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. And if you don't watch the news , you don't read these

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things you don't know , educate yourself on that

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. You would have no clue and just be shocked . I'm

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like , oh , what's , what's that Something

6:09

dropping on my city like oh , they warned

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us last week on the news . You didn't hear about it , bob like

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.

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So do you think to know that , because

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these things are , can be very nuanced and

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and actually no , before I even ask

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you that , what question I was gonna ask you ? There

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are people that I've

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talked to with the , with the current

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situation going on , that are very passionate

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on both sides of that issue . Have you had

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anybody in your life , or no , anybody

6:38

like that . It was just very Passionate

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either . On the Israel side are very passionate on

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the Palestinian side has been . Both

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seem to have sympathizers , no matter what has happened

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.

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Yeah , I do , and it's

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kind of a weird place to be because

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I understand their

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feelings on it as far as , like you

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know , these are your people , this is your culture

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, this is , this is your life and it's so

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deeply affected . But

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also having the other side of the coin , being like like

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being Israeli , being Palestinian

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, and they , like I

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don't even I Am

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not well versed up to really pick a side

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on those matter what's going on with them ? Because

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it's their life , it's not mine , you know . But I

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also understand like there's gonna be so

7:26

many people affected and

7:28

Like how do you , how

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do you come to resolution for this kind of thing ? Like

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there's nothing that's gonna appease both sides , because

7:36

so many people have lost stuff and when you're hurt , her

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people hurt people correct so I

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Don't know . It's hard

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. It is hard . You want to be apathetic . I want to have

7:45

a listening ear . That's like who

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? Like Are you there ? Are

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they gonna force people ? Like you know you got to be with us or you got

7:51

to be with them and that's . It was like it's

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so complex .

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I Do you

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think that there's a tasteful way

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to discuss

8:00

these topics without somebody

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just getting absolutely upset about

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it ? Because I think what ? Sometimes you're just at least

8:07

with me . A lot of times when I'm listening to people

8:09

discuss topics , it's just trying to get a better understanding

8:11

for their perspective and

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for their way of viewing

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it , without just looking at the news . You

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know what I mean . And then coming to my own conclusion

8:20

, because just look at the news . I'm still very far from removed

8:22

, I think , for Americans we've been

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very privileged to watch wars because somebody

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told me they were like I think

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we're going to war , or they'll know . Somebody

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told me that they're their parents . I

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think we're going to war and I'm like . You know , we're

8:37

in America . We watch wars here . We

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don't go to them .

8:41

We're very third party .

8:42

Yeah , exactly Like we see it

8:44

from a distance and we've had the privilege of

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being able to see these things from a distance . So

8:49

when discussing these situations

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with other people , I try to keep that in mind

8:53

. You know what I mean , that I'm just watching

8:56

it through a screen , no matter where that news

8:58

source may be , because

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I do like to watch very new sources so I can get

9:02

different perspectives . You know , what you're seeing on

9:04

CNN is not going

9:06

to be the same thing you see on Al Jazeera , so to speak

9:08

.

9:08

You know what I ?

9:09

mean Like you're going to see very different perspectives

9:11

here . So what I like to watch is to see the different

9:14

perspectives , because it gives you a more nuance

9:17

view of things you know and

9:19

then you can kind of try to have these conversations . Do

9:21

you think there's a tasteful way to have these conversations without

9:23

like disagreements , because it's been troubling

9:25

for some people .

9:27

No , because the people , the feelings are always

9:29

there and you can't get past it

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. So I guess I would pose to you ready Is

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there a way to care for the

9:36

people and not the cause ?

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That's interesting because I

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think so right , like because

9:43

the human cost , no matter

9:45

what , is catastrophic

9:48

, so to speak , like the human cost and

9:50

the cost of having to rebuild infrastructure

9:53

and stuff like that and of course you'd rather buildings

9:55

be knocked down than people

9:57

killed , but at the same time

9:59

it does take , it

10:02

does affect their life and their livelihood

10:04

and the way they see it , there is the hope

10:06

that some of these people , in having

10:09

these countries , may be drastically diminished

10:11

when everything around you is crumbling . You know what I mean

10:13

For what you feel like your future

10:16

may be . So I

10:18

think that you can care for the human

10:20

cost . What ends up happening

10:23

is and I think in this

10:25

situation especially , you'll

10:27

have something like Hamas

10:30

and then you'll have people

10:32

identifying Hamas with Palestinian

10:35

people and kind of lumping them together

10:37

. You know what I mean . And they're not the same

10:39

thing . It'd

10:42

be like a particular group in the United States and

10:44

that group representing the whole of

10:46

the United States . You know what I mean . Just

10:50

because it's a group that originated in the United States

10:52

, it might have nationalist type

10:54

views or whatever kind of views they have , because

10:57

they'll have people who speak for

10:59

these organizations , who come on

11:01

and speak and they're given their perspective for

11:03

what they think these are . And I think , ultimately

11:05

, if the human

11:08

cost is always kind of like your North

11:10

Star , so to speak , if you're always just discussing

11:12

just what that human cost may be , then

11:15

you're able to discuss these things a little bit more

11:17

. I kind of agree with you in a sense that for

11:20

people who have family in either

11:23

area it's going to be harder

11:25

for them , right ? Because it's realer to

11:27

them . To us it's just a conversation , you

11:30

know what I mean . We can talk about it , then we can go on with

11:32

our lives . For them it's

11:34

realer to them , and if they lost somebody , forget

11:36

about it , right ? Because if you

11:38

lost somebody you're not in a mood to really talk because

11:41

that's been a major cost that you've got

11:44

to pay , your family's paid

11:46

, you paid friends , family and emotionally

11:48

that you've paid and

11:51

also just moving forward . In general

11:53

, it doesn't seem

11:55

like there's anything changing

11:59

on the horizon soon

12:01

enough . Do you

12:03

see it that way , or is there anything ? Do you see it coming

12:05

to a quicker solution ?

12:07

No , I don't . I think it's because

12:13

I don't know the resources that Hamas has behind

12:15

them and

12:18

I think that would play a

12:20

major role in how long this is

12:22

going to be and the outcome

12:24

itself . Who's

12:28

going to support who ? Pretty much , and

12:30

I think because there's other third

12:32

parties that have vested interests , this

12:35

could be a long drawn out thing . As

12:39

to the level and severity

12:41

of it , I don't know . I would hope

12:43

it would be minimized as far as

12:46

human cost and the lives that are impacted

12:48

and involved and all of that . You don't want to see

12:50

millions lost Nobody

12:53

wants to see that . But

12:55

I really couldn't say right now , like

12:57

I really couldn't say it's so unpredictable at the

12:59

moment , because everybody is saying a lot of things

13:02

about what's going on and you see the TikToks

13:04

, you see all the videos like this is what's really

13:06

happening or no , this is what's really happening . And

13:08

then , oh no , this was debunked , it wasn't a real

13:10

. There's propaganda and it's like

13:12

what do you whirlwind of information

13:14

? How do you say so much time to sift

13:16

through it all and inform of the plane after that ? But

13:19

I would , but

13:22

then it's hard to say because I would

13:24

want it to be short . But I'm like then again

13:26

, who's going to win , like who's going to come

13:28

out on top ? And

13:31

then you

13:34

don't know what side to go for , or if

13:36

there even is a side . I mean I guess you could say the human

13:38

side , but that's like that's such a that's

13:41

on both sides in it .

13:42

Right , because that that does . It's like that

13:44

. The non-answer answer right yeah . When

13:46

you know like that and I can do , people would

13:49

say that you , if you were ahead that perspective

13:51

, I don't know if it's actually fair

13:53

, but I understand it if people feel like you're waffling

13:55

when you say that , but I wouldn't be personally

13:57

that would genuinely be it , because

13:59

I'm not there .

14:01

I haven't my experience .

14:03

I haven't lived it to really be able to give

14:05

an educated answer on

14:08

which side is right , because

14:10

sometimes it depends on where

14:12

you come along in a conflict . Right , if

14:14

you were to see and I'm gonna

14:16

give the Russian and Ukraine conflict as

14:18

an example if you were to see

14:21

Ukraine

14:23

Moving tanks and stuff into

14:25

Russia and seeing what the human cost there

14:27

is , if you were to see

14:30

that now it's more understandable because you know

14:32

Russian , was . It was there first in

14:34

Ukraine . But

14:36

if you're a person that doesn't really understand that

14:39

and you only see that and you're not really

14:41

educated on how the situation

14:43

started , because some of these situations whether

14:46

you're talking about Issues

14:48

around the world or the situation that's happening

14:50

with with Palestine and Israel started so long

14:53

ago that it just depends on

14:55

where you are caught up at

14:57

, like where did you come along in this

14:59

in in , in the whole picture

15:01

. So if the whole picture is 70

15:03

something years or

15:06

or 60 , 50 , 60 , 70 years , the

15:08

last biggest attack is like big roughly 50

15:10

years ago in Israel . Yeah , you have

15:12

. Depending on where you come along

15:14

on that timeline , you might

15:16

switch to blame or switch your perspective

15:18

. It's depending on where along on

15:21

that timeline you come . So I think that

15:23

you could always

15:25

care about the people because , as

15:27

we are in this country and

15:30

this is something that when , when Trump was our president

15:32

, you know , people looked at us as like a

15:34

country where Trump was our leader , despite

15:36

the fact that most human beings

15:38

in our country did not vote for the guy , but

15:42

that was like the representative . And if you were looked at

15:44

it from the outside of the country , you might have

15:46

lumped all that everybody

15:48

into that Together . And

15:51

I feel like you know in it's

15:53

very easy to do in our country to look

15:55

at other countries and kind of just lump them all , like you

15:57

know . Well , we'll just lump it all together , but it's

15:59

not necessarily that easy . A

16:02

terrorist organization or

16:05

an organization from a place May

16:08

not represent what the actual

16:10

human beings there want . Does that make sense

16:12

?

16:13

Yeah , yeah , they don't speak for everyone . Um

16:16

, let me say same thing they kind of do for the black

16:18

community . See that one guy saying something is

16:20

like up , he's the leader of them . Now , we

16:24

know we just met yesterday , let's

16:28

reel it in . But no , I think

16:30

I can definitely see and understand that

16:32

and I think that's the hard part right now . It was like

16:34

who everybody's looking for , who's the voice of

16:36

the Palestinian people Outside

16:39

of what Hamas is doing there ? Like

16:41

and then seeing them as separate

16:44

, seeing , seeing

16:46

them for who they are and what they're going through

16:48

and what they've been going through . But

16:51

it goes back to what you're saying is like who , who

16:53

side are you on ? Who ? Which one do you support

16:55

? You don't know because who you

16:57

don't know . The retaliation about the thing , like

16:59

who's been retaliating ? It's that we did this because they

17:01

did that , you did this , they did that . It was

17:03

like ever that's been going on for so long . Who knows who

17:06

was the beginning act , what

17:08

is the start ? Um , it

17:11

is so muddy , like , how do you even

17:13

begin ?

17:15

Do you think it's even worth ? Because

17:17

you see a lot of people on social media jumping

17:19

on one side or the other right , I stand

17:21

behind X or I stand behind X or like

17:24

whatever side they stand

17:26

behind . Do you feel ? And then maybe

17:28

something about the walk of back , because they're not really . You

17:30

know it was a knee-jerk reaction . They see the text

17:32

, see the pictures and stuff like that . They do a knee-jerk reaction and

17:35

even though the intent may have been there , the

17:38

way that they're

17:40

going about expressing that is not necessarily

17:42

in an intelligent fashion , because they're

17:45

not really hip to everything that's going

17:47

on . You know what I mean . Or the history , you

17:49

know . You just listen , look , reacting to everybody

17:51

else's reaction , so to speak . Have

17:53

you seen any of that online ? There have been some of the celebrities

17:56

that have been forced to kind of walk that stuff back .

17:58

Yeah , pretty much . Or people forcing them

18:00

to say something well , you , you're Palestinian or

18:02

you're Israeli , so you should

18:04

be saying something about this . And they're like they're

18:06

American all their lives . They're like

18:08

. They're like what are we going to do ? Yes , I support my family

18:10

living , but it's like what do

18:13

you want me to do ? Like I've never been like

18:15

that person before . So how do you expect me to

18:17

speak for these people , have that

18:19

kind of connection with them ? And it's like everybody

18:21

wants you to pick a side and stand

18:23

on it with a whole chest and

18:26

you can't really do that right now because once again

18:28

, it's like not everybody's well-versed on what's actually

18:30

going on . They're only hearing personal statements

18:32

, personal stories and things like that . So

18:34

how can you really be expected to draw a well-rounded

18:37

conclusion as to

18:40

how you should believe on something ? But

18:42

then it's also like , if you do say something

18:45

and you're like okay , this is what it is , I support

18:47

these people and all this other stuff , you

18:49

can't waffle , because if you go back they're like

18:51

well , you're not really true for the cause and you're

18:54

just saying this now just trying to please everybody

18:56

, but then again you can't be neutral either . So

18:59

damned if you knew , damned if you don't .

19:02

Yeah , that's true . And with

19:04

this this has been charged , super charged

19:06

, like when you look at other conflicts around the world . Let's

19:10

just take South and North Korea right , because

19:12

that's been a conflict for a while

19:14

on the Korean Peninsula and they've

19:16

been divided for quite some time . So

19:19

when you look at just that

19:21

, you

19:24

either are for the

19:26

I wouldn't say dictatorship

19:28

, but it's kind of like that . I want to look at it and

19:30

see exactly how that government is structured , but

19:33

it's definitely a dictator type government

19:36

structure there Communists , I think maybe

19:38

it is with the official or would

19:40

be either for that or democracy . And

19:42

there's such a contrast there between

19:45

those two right . So a big contrast between North

19:47

Korea and South Korea and some of these other

19:49

areas and some of the other conflicts . They go a

19:51

little bit deeper . Some of them have like religious

19:53

undertones and stuff like that . It

19:55

goes so much deeper . And

19:57

when it comes to the

20:00

Israel and Palestine situation , that's

20:03

been such a tinderbox

20:05

for so long . You know what I mean . It's

20:07

been such a divisive

20:10

issue for so long . Even

20:12

before this happened , the NL people would get

20:14

very passionate about one side

20:16

or the other when

20:19

discussing these things , and maybe

20:21

social media makes it where we all feel like we just

20:23

have to contribute to a certain

20:25

degree . Right and say something , or we just

20:27

come compliance if we're just silent

20:29

. You know , silent compliance . You're just not saying anything

20:31

. But I don't think there's anything

20:34

wrong with not talking

20:36

out of turn about things that you don't know

20:38

all the way about . I've

20:41

watched a ton of documentaries on these type of stuff

20:43

because I'm a documentary junkie , but

20:45

that doesn't mean I live it .

20:46

You know what I mean , like watching a documentary or something

20:48

.

20:49

It's not a lived experience , right , exactly

20:51

, it's not like the same , it's not nowhere

20:54

near the same . I can know certain things

20:56

because it's

20:59

an interesting conflict to me , so it's

21:01

interesting to look at , but at the same time

21:03

I'm never going to lose the fact that

21:05

I'm not there .

21:06

You know what I mean .

21:07

I'm not having to deal with the real world

21:09

consequences of this issue . So

21:11

me just running out and saying , hey , I support

21:13

one or the other , I'm like an idiot . You

21:16

can have an awareness .

21:17

That's about it .

21:19

Right , like a skin , like a very thin

21:22

layer of awareness . You know what I mean .

21:24

I feel like in all of the other conflicts

21:26

, that will most recent conflicts that we've

21:29

seen , it's been

21:31

a clear this is bad and this is good . Because

21:33

you see the Russia , you see the Korean stuff for years

21:35

, right , and you've heard , russia is bad . You

21:38

see the North Korea stuff they're the social

21:40

estate and one party and they're bad . We don't go with

21:42

them and that's been . It's easier for

21:44

Americans to get behind that because that's what

21:46

the rhetoric has been for so long , versus

21:49

what's going on with Palestine and for

21:51

the Palestinians and the Israelis , we

21:54

don't know . Because you see the

21:57

stuff you see in documentaries , you see the

21:59

Tik Toks , all the kind of stuff in social media

22:01

that's kind of showed you like it's humanized

22:04

these people and because

22:06

of that it's been harder for us to pick a clear

22:08

like no , this is bad , no , this is good . Because

22:11

you see that actually it's hard to separate

22:13

the people themselves from

22:15

what their , their governments or everything else

22:17

is doing . So

22:20

when you see that is like well , I see these people

22:22

as humans , as living their

22:24

lives , just trying to , you know , make a living , just

22:26

trying to get by , trying to survive , trying

22:28

to make sure they got food , water , all kind of take care

22:30

of their families , and then you

22:33

see how they are mistreated and disrespected

22:36

and not supported or the

22:39

government's picking one side or the other type stuff

22:41

and it's hard to really boost

22:43

one side without

22:46

like no putting down the other side . And

22:50

it's really hard to pick a side

22:52

for for something like that because , like I said , it goes

22:54

back to it's not my lived experience . I'm not well

22:56

versed in everything that's going on , but I do see

22:58

these people as people so it's like you don't want

23:00

them to get hurt . I know all anything Live

23:03

with the trauma , the PTSD

23:05

, the lost loved ones , all of that . I

23:07

mean . If you've gone through loss , you know , understand

23:10

how that is , in grief and pain and and

23:12

then just wanted to get by and survive in the world . It's

23:15

already hard enough . It's

23:18

so complicated . Right now it's like it's a weird

23:20

time to be around and see .

23:24

It is . It is because I think that also

23:26

it's the you just touched on something that

23:29

a difference is the , the sea part . There's

23:31

so many different ways to see that . Lived

23:34

experience now , so you before

23:36

, when we read one of these other wars

23:38

, I feel like I'm seeing more about

23:41

World War , the world , the World War II

23:43

and stuff like that . Now that some of the stuff is

23:45

coming out and they're read , they're re doing

23:47

the footage and color and all that stuff , I

23:50

feel like we , being so far removed

23:52

, are actually seeing more of it than

23:54

some of the people who were living at that time because

23:56

there weren't as many mediums to see

23:58

it . We can now

24:01

we can go on like YouTube and see

24:03

what happened in several wars , right

24:05

, we can go back to certain documentaries and

24:07

a lot of footage that you can go and see now that people

24:09

from a technological standpoint back in the day just

24:11

weren't able to see . And in this

24:13

particular case , with social

24:15

media , you get to see the real

24:17

world ? We don't we don't have to talk to nobody , right ? Like

24:19

, yeah , like you , there they are , they're

24:22

live streaming from where they are . Like

24:24

you don't have to like , go to a reporter , you don't

24:26

have to go to a news organization , you can literally go

24:28

to social media and see some of

24:31

the atrocities . And I think that the humanity

24:33

part is the tie that binds , so

24:36

to speak , because that's

24:38

the part that's . That's on both sides . There's humanity

24:40

and catastrophic loss on

24:42

both sides of the issue , no

24:46

matter where you stand . I think

24:48

that's a horrible situation . Do

24:50

you think there's any way , because

24:53

, people , it's a very polarizing

24:56

issue . Is there any way to bring anybody to the other

24:58

side of that issue ? I've seen several

25:00

of over the

25:02

weekend . There's been several

25:04

of marches and stuff like that that may

25:06

happen in different cities , in

25:08

states , here , and they'll be

25:11

support on both sides of these things . Do

25:14

you think there's any way to ever just

25:16

have that , I

25:18

want to say like a unifying , because this is not like a kumbaya

25:21

, I don't want to like you know I don't do

25:23

that . It's so once the bloodshed

25:26

has happened ? I'm kind of answering my own question

25:28

here , because once the bloodshed has happened and

25:30

once you've had it , where

25:32

one just just giving their

25:34

perspective , from what I've seen One

25:38

person from Palestine , they were on a news organization

25:40

and they were expressing

25:43

that they feel like they're in the largest open

25:45

air prison . You know what I mean . If

25:48

they can't do anything , can't go anywhere , if they're oppressed

25:51

, feel like they're being occupied and stuff like that . And

25:54

then you have the other side where they'll

25:56

come on and it's for , like you know , straight up

25:58

, like they just been murdering . You know

26:00

they want to murder all of us all together

26:03

, though there's no

26:05

real prospect

26:07

of peace at all . So

26:10

, apart , does the country

26:13

, the US , have to play in any

26:15

of this ? And a lot of times people

26:17

look at these situations around the world and

26:19

I'm going to separate the Russia Ukraine situation

26:22

, because I definitely feel like we

26:24

would rather fight that war with our money

26:26

than our soldiers . If we could

26:28

support and

26:31

send weapons and fighters to Ukraine

26:33

, it's definitely better than sending human beings to

26:37

Ukraine . And the Ukraine

26:39

situation had shades of what ? Of

26:41

Nazi Germany , because that's what Hitler did back in

26:43

the day . He took over certain areas . He

26:46

annexed certain areas , took over certain areas until

26:48

it couldn't be ignored anymore at

26:50

a certain point . I'm not saying that that's what Vladimir

26:52

Putin would have done , but I think that once

26:54

it's done , once , once you kind of see it

26:56

being what we did see

26:58

back in with the Nazi Germany situation , people

27:00

have a heightened sense of we need to do something about

27:02

it as soon as you see any kind of scintilla

27:05

of it . It's very different than what's going

27:07

on in the Palestine Israel situation

27:09

and especially given that

27:11

Israel is a friendly

27:13

country , a ally

27:16

, so to speak , to the United States

27:18

, and people are like I don't

27:20

know why we're sending money and that's what I've got some coworkers

27:22

like they really , really infuriates me that we're sending money

27:25

to Israel and I get both

27:27

sides . I understand that because you feel like

27:29

they may be sending money to Israel , support Israel

27:31

, and in turn they're using that support to

27:33

kill human beings on

27:35

the other side and you feel like you're

27:37

you kind of have some of that blood on your hand . Understandable

27:40

perspective from that side of things and

27:42

from the other side of things , to know you

27:45

. This is kind of the way it works with other

27:47

countries , when your allies with other countries

27:49

and they get into conflicts , you're kind of obligated

27:52

to come to their aid . That's

27:54

the point , like if you don't come to their aid

27:56

when there's conflict , there's no point to be an ally

27:59

. You know what I mean ? Like that's kind of what

28:01

it , what it entails , puts the US

28:03

in a crazy situation . What are your thoughts on

28:05

that ?

28:06

No , I would . It does put us in

28:08

a really crazy situation , but it I

28:11

feel like that's what we factored in when we became

28:14

allies with him , and that's

28:16

almost like your country

28:18

is picking a side for you .

28:21

And that's an interesting perspective .

28:24

It's hard to go for the other side

28:26

when that's what you see it was like . Well , my government think this

28:28

is good , so I'm going to go along with what they think and

28:30

go from there and seeing

28:34

or hearing what's going on to

28:36

the Palestinians as far as being corralled

28:39

and cornered and almost

28:41

squeezed out . I

28:44

can understand that aspect of

28:46

it and how frustrating that is , how

28:48

infuriating and how aggravating that can

28:50

be , Especially when growing up in

28:52

the US and how they've treated their minority

28:55

groups and everything else . Yeah absolutely

28:57

so I get it , and especially when it comes to the propaganda

29:00

of things and wanting to seem

29:03

like , no , we're the good side

29:05

and we're doing everything right , we're

29:07

just complaining , or just doing little things and being extra

29:09

or whatever , and I was like , no , there's

29:11

truth in there .

29:12

You're right , there's some substance to that .

29:15

You know what I mean ? Yes , and it's

29:17

like how do you choose a side when both

29:19

of them are right and

29:21

who becomes a mediator as an

29:23

ally is that our role is to be the mediator

29:25

and kind of settle things . But I feel like , like you said before

29:28

, nothing is ever going

29:31

to settle this , because there's been blood loss

29:33

, there's been or there's been lives lost

29:35

, there's been so much hurt and

29:37

anger and frustration , and

29:39

so you're never going to appease everyone . So how

29:43

do you , how do you even work that out ? Like what's

29:45

the beginning of that ? I'd hate to be negotiated

29:47

in this whole process . Like I quit , I'm done . Somebody

29:50

else take over .

29:53

It definitely seems like there's no

29:55

real like right answer there

29:57

and I think that's just due to the

30:00

heavily nuanced situation

30:02

here and to some people on one side

30:04

. They don't think it's nuanced at all , they think

30:06

it's very clear cut , so that just makes

30:08

things more complicated . We have two sides of

30:10

the fight . They have a very clear cut perspective

30:14

, yeah , and they don't really want

30:16

to move off that . I definitely appreciate you taking

30:18

some time out to join us on a little bit of a heavier

30:21

subject . We'll get back to maybe fun or fun or subjects

30:23

next time , but I appreciate you taking some time here to know

30:25

.

30:26

No , thank you for having me . This is definitely something that

30:29

is crazy

30:31

for the times that we live in , and we'll see how

30:33

it plays out in the future .

30:36

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