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Congratulations to you . Coming to you from the love of CD Valena Georgia

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, with my guy here

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, j Henry J , coming from the Wendy

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City of Chicago . J , how's it going ?

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Cold man . It's cold and windy now .

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So we should add . We should add in addition to

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cold and windy city of Chicago , and

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joined here by my Yoda

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cup . You know what I mean ? It was coffee time J . I don't

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know if you can see that Yoda best right there . It's probably

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backwards . It looks like it's backwards on that side there , but

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it's a Yoda best cup right there .

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You know what I mean . It's backwards , so you straight back . You

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know , man , if it was backwards , that mean that's the right way

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. With the cup , man , you're good .

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You know it's . It's funny because I

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read this article . We've got an article on the screen here with

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this guy and let me see if I can even attempt to

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. It's like in our Nauranya

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Murthy and this

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brought up a an

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interesting subject here that we're

0:58

we're going to discuss and that's kind of work

1:00

like balance . And me and you've talked about this before

1:02

. When it came to the gig economy , we

1:04

talked about it in certain ways , just because

1:06

in our , in

1:09

our world , he's advocating for the 70

1:11

hour work week for people I think it was like under

1:13

30 . He did give it like an age , because

1:15

I felt like there is

1:17

some it that's kind of necessary to

1:19

a certain degree , because I feel

1:21

like you're getting it in , you're trying to find

1:24

yourself for your younger man . You know what I mean . You still have

1:26

a lot of that , that hustle . You're getting it in , you're not

1:28

really settled

1:31

and having a lot of the things that kind of anchor you down

1:33

. When you get older , when people tend to have families

1:36

and obligations and stuff like that

1:38

, I kind of anchor them down schedule

1:40

wise . When you're young , tend to have a little

1:42

bit more of that free time , energy

1:44

, all that good stuff . Now

1:46

what's interesting is a

1:49

lot of people in this , in this generation . They're

1:51

not really going for it and I and I applaud

1:53

that . So what I see is a lot of them being like

1:55

no , we're just not , we're just not going to

1:57

do it , we're not going . They're looking at people from

2:00

previous generations that are worked their freaking lives

2:02

away and have nothing to show

2:04

for it or to barely get him by you

2:06

know right . Yeah , uh

2:08

, work and money and I just

2:10

talked to some friends about this is work and

2:13

money . Don't love you the

2:15

way you love it . You know what I mean

2:17

. Yes , they will . You will

2:19

be out of here . You could work for a company 15

2:21

, 20 years , jay , you can be out

2:23

of here whether that company is laying

2:26

people off . Look at AI . Right

2:28

, if AI makes your job not

2:30

necessary , why would they keep you ? Would you

2:32

keep you if it was your company

2:34

? You probably wouldn't . You know what I

2:36

mean . So when you're thinking about things like that , you

2:39

got to think about the fact that if

2:42

you could , you can work your entire life

2:44

and then anything

2:47

can happen broken bone If

2:49

it's a job , we got to do something physical death

2:51

in the family , maybe you got to step away for a month

2:54

or so . And then people get a

2:56

little funny . These attitudes are where you thought it was

2:58

a family , you thought it was love , right . And

3:00

those attitudes change a little bit . Like

3:02

, hey , when we well , you know we do love you

3:04

, but you weren't here the last month

3:06

, you like , why did death in the family had to step away ? I

3:09

had things I had to do . Well

3:12

, we need that productivity now Other 10 to

3:14

15 years you put in ahead of this don't

3:16

aren't really going to mean much . So

3:18

let's talk a little bit about the

3:20

for one , the difference , jay , because you know , when we

3:22

were growing up it was a kind

3:24

of like you just need to do

3:26

it type of world we lived in right , like

3:29

it was a do it or else type of world we live

3:31

in , versus now these kids will

3:33

just walk out . You know , I've seen from managing

3:35

now , from how I was managed , is

3:38

I'm seeing I have to manage a lot differently now

3:40

because people will definitely walk

3:42

out on you . What is your thoughts

3:44

on , kind of like how that was different for us and

3:47

then we'll kind of get into his 70 hour work

3:50

week situation .

3:51

Well , you know me and you are generation X and

3:54

we come from that era . Like

3:57

it's kind of a funny era we both come

3:59

from because we saw

4:01

the traditional standard of

4:04

you know , the nine to five job of you know , and

4:07

then the process of what we would go through

4:09

to you know , get a degree

4:11

, go to school , go to college , get

4:13

a degree . And then , because

4:16

we earned a four year degree

4:18

, it basically was

4:21

a unofficial message to

4:23

you know possible employers that

4:25

, okay , this person had enough diligence

4:27

and discipline to stay in

4:30

an institution to learn something

4:32

for four years and earn a

4:34

degree , for a certification or whatever you

4:36

want to call it , and

4:39

that was the basic

4:42

model for

4:44

the workforce world in

4:46

our time , in our parents

4:48

time , in our parents parents time

4:50

. You know , to get a job at one point

4:52

in time was a big deal , you

4:55

know . To work for a company that

4:57

made you know , if not billions of dollars

4:59

, millions of dollars or hundreds of thousands of dollars

5:02

, that was a big deal back then , you

5:04

know , especially for our

5:06

people , right ? So you know

5:08

, to even work at an important you know

5:10

, because I mean we rarely would

5:12

get a promotion , you know , or something like that . I

5:15

mean if we did , we had to have you

5:17

know , three certification , four

5:19

degrees , eight more certifications

5:21

on the side . You know it's like we had to . We had to

5:23

really bust our butts . So

5:26

all that aside , or whatever

5:28

, you know , the political stuff aside or whatever

5:30

like that , that was just

5:32

the model back then , whereas

5:34

now there are more platforms

5:38

for people to be

5:40

their own boss . It's not to

5:42

say that the grind is not going

5:44

to be there .

5:45

Yeah absolutely .

5:47

And it's not to say that you still won't

5:49

have to put in you know certain time

5:52

and certain you know certain things in order to

5:54

that grind to be there in your youth or whatever like

5:56

that . But it's what are you putting

5:58

the grind in for ? Because and

6:01

I know you don't want to touch on this to ship , it was

6:03

kind of dipping our toes in the water with

6:05

the 70 hour work we were with this man is doing

6:07

. Here's the thing there were jobs

6:10

out there that existed

6:12

, where I don't know if it was 70

6:14

hours a week , but it was all going near that

6:16

, you know , depending on the job . Like case

6:19

in point , I want to say years ago

6:21

, way before the pre pandemic , I

6:23

was driving for Lyft and

6:25

this woman , this young lady , got in my car and she

6:27

looked . She looked like she was sick

6:29

, you know , but she was just really tired

6:32

and I said are

6:34

you all right ? And you know , we got into

6:36

a conversation and I said well , what do you do for a

6:38

living , if you don't mind me asking ? And

6:40

she says I'm in an international investment

6:43

banker and

6:46

I , that's what I'm saying . So

6:49

what I'm saying is is that jobs

6:51

like this already

6:53

exists . They've been

6:55

existing for a long time . You know , depending

6:58

on how successful you

7:00

wish to be , it's going to require

7:02

more grind , more hours . So

7:04

those there are certain

7:07

departments or

7:10

of the workforce world that already

7:12

exist where more will

7:15

be required of you , you know more

7:17

will be . You know there's

7:22

more of you that will be needed as far

7:24

as hours , time , focus

7:27

. That it's just , it goes without saying

7:29

. So the fact I mean that he

7:31

wants to add 70

7:33

hours , it's a little . And then it's

7:36

the time that we're in now , where

7:38

it you know what , not even the time that we're

7:40

in now , it's people are either

7:43

going to work or they're not . Max

7:46

, you know what I'm saying . And the fact that you want

7:49

to add 30 more hours on

7:51

a week , like bro , like you

7:53

know , honestly , that's not

7:55

. It's like somebody slapping a band-aid

7:58

on something , saying here's going to fix the problem . It's

8:00

not . And

8:02

I'm looking at how old this guy is and

8:04

, yeah , he's coming from a different generation

8:06

. So he , you know , he's coming

8:08

from this generation where we need to be , and

8:10

he probably might even say some stuff that we might agree

8:13

with , like the discipline , the focus , the drive

8:15

. There are some things . That's all right .

8:17

Yeah , we'll have to do the article we're definitely going to go through

8:19

, because there are some things , jay , they're good

8:21

back and forth , right , he , I

8:24

think from his perspective , and

8:27

you know what ? Let's scroll down , let's see .

8:30

From his perspective .

8:31

it's more so for young Indians here , because

8:33

this is in India , that's where he's based

8:35

at , and you see a lot of this in Asian cultures

8:38

in general . There's like the 996

8:40

, that's

8:42

nine to nine , six days a week . By the way , that's

8:45

a solid 72 hours right

8:47

there . So basically saying

8:49

they he

8:52

wants them to work 70 hours a week

8:54

to help India's economy in general , to help

8:56

kind of raise it out of , to

8:59

turn it into like a capitalist , like not

9:02

necessarily powerhouse , but , like he said , a global

9:04

economic leader . That's what he wants to do and

9:07

I wanted to kind of frame it in

9:09

a certain way because I don't want to make it just seem like the guy's just some

9:11

kind of tyrant . But at the end he

9:13

has his motivation

9:15

, can be good in the sense of he's hoping

9:18

to uplift this whole country with like a harder work

9:20

ethic and then kind of lift them out of a certain type

9:22

of poverty situation

9:25

which would be different than India , than it would be in

9:27

here . But at the same time , the problem

9:29

that exists is still

9:31

only having so much life , right

9:34

, no matter where you are on earth , you

9:36

only have so much life . And I think

9:38

a lot of people in these Asian , especially a lot

9:40

of the younger people , if you look at how

9:42

a lot of them are even bucket on the 996

9:45

situation , they're not even they're

9:47

like no , that's crazy amount of hours and

9:49

recently in Korea

9:51

they wanted to , I think , change the work week to about

9:53

60 hours or so . It was 70 hours . I got

9:55

to look and see what that was , but they wanted

9:58

to add some hours and people kind of bucked

10:00

on that a little bit . And I

10:02

think that what it comes down to is

10:04

preference . Jay , you got to look

10:06

at your life and look at what your preference

10:08

is right , like , what is your overall arch

10:10

and goal , and I think you touched on something that

10:13

is very interesting

10:15

in the sense of it

10:17

doesn't mean the work stops . Just

10:20

because you're not working for somebody

10:22

else for a 70 , 80 hours a week doesn't mean

10:24

you're sitting at home eating Cheetos on the couch

10:26

, watching television at a whole time

10:29

, A lot of times , Jay it can mean you're working

10:31

harder in other areas because

10:33

those other areas might not be underpaid

10:35

areas . If you're working on a business and you're trying

10:37

to get that business off the ground , you

10:39

own a job in those first few years . You don't own a

10:41

business , bro . You own a job and you're going to

10:43

that job , and it's an underpaid job . You're

10:46

going there to that business , you're trying to get it off the ground

10:48

. You don't have that stability that somebody

10:50

could just go sit in the office for

10:52

60 , 70 hours a week and have . But

10:54

you're building towards your future in hopes that you can

10:56

have a little bit more freedom

10:59

in your life . Does that make sense , Joe ?

11:01

Absolutely . Look , you want , listen , we all

11:04

want , even

11:06

back in the day when I was working , the nine to five jobs

11:08

. All

11:10

of our goals were financial freedom

11:12

, that

11:15

whole thing where we

11:17

want to be able to I

11:19

don't care what kind of nine to five job somebody's

11:22

working , if they're

11:24

in a position where they have

11:26

more freedom to move around to

11:29

do what it is they would like to do

11:31

, take a vacation at the drop

11:33

of a hat , even

11:36

tell certain people

11:38

, look , I ain't coming in the day , I'm

11:40

taking the day off , I'm doing what I need to do

11:42

, and say it with confidence like that

11:44

. I mean , who wouldn't take that opportunity

11:46

? And so we're in an age

11:49

right now where trying

11:51

to keep it clean on your show , we're

11:53

in an age right now where people

11:57

are realizing I

11:59

want to work for myself , I

12:01

want to do for myself , you know , to the point

12:04

where it doesn't feel like a job or whatever

12:06

like that . You know I want to be , I

12:08

want to be at a level of FU

12:11

, you know where . If you

12:13

tell me something and I don't

12:15

agree with it , I'm not worried

12:17

about the next words coming out my mouth affecting

12:19

my livelihood . I'm not worried

12:21

about the next words coming out my mouth

12:24

affecting my promotion or my bonus or

12:26

whatever like that . I'm not worried about that

12:28

Cause . See , I'm at a level now of , like

12:30

, I'm going to say what's on my mind and

12:33

if I don't agree with it , guess what ? I'm

12:35

up , I'm an asset to

12:38

your company or to whatever you got

12:40

going on . And if you don't agree with that , hey , that's

12:42

fine , you don't have to agree with it . I got

12:44

enough going on in

12:46

my bank account and in my personal life to the

12:48

point where I can leave . I'm

12:51

good , you know , whatever

12:53

like that . So

12:56

yeah , I mean , that's just

12:59

how I feel about that .

13:00

I mean when we come to like . Let's

13:04

talk a little bit about the difference between the , the

13:06

fine line between laziness and

13:08

wanting the freedom in life . Right , because

13:10

? In the back of the day , if you were under anything

13:13

under 40 , my day , let's Lord forbid

13:15

. You were 25 , 30 hours , that

13:17

was straight laziness in my house . Oh , it'd be like

13:19

you're just lazy . What

13:22

do you do ? Why are you not at work ? Right

13:24

, you know what I mean ? That's kind of how

13:26

the thought pattern was . Now we've seen

13:28

these kids and a lot of people . You

13:31

see people like influencers . These kids

13:33

are using social media to

13:36

pop off different little businesses here and

13:38

there and a lot of people are have a lot

13:41

of . I will say it's not

13:43

necessarily get off my lawn ish , but I do see a lot

13:45

of people from an older generation looking

13:47

down on that kind of work , like kids

13:49

should just be in factories or only

13:51

really hard work out there is construction

13:53

on the corner or if they're doing , if

13:56

they're in the office almost a hundred

13:58

hours a week , you know there , why are you going

14:01

home at five ? You should be going home at six

14:03

, seven , like the rest of us type thing . You know these

14:07

jobs . Once again I'm gonna repeat this several

14:09

times throughout this show money

14:12

and work doesn't love you the way that

14:14

you love it . You gotta find

14:16

out what you like , because for some people , jay , if

14:18

you like the job , in my opinion all bets are

14:21

off like , because then it's not really like

14:23

we're doing right , Like if you enjoy

14:25

the job . let's say there's accounting and it may be so hard

14:28

for people to imagine somebody

14:30

like an accountant , but let's say that that's somebody's thing

14:32

and they really do like it , then

14:34

go to work a hundred hours a week Like

14:37

it's not really the same for them as it is for

14:39

somebody who's just trying to

14:41

get through a job . What do you think

14:43

about stuff like that , jay ?

14:46

Okay , the first off , the influencer

14:48

thing . I think we

14:51

do have some , I mean some successful

14:54

influencers . You know whether

14:56

they're positive .

14:56

What is that definition ? Is that just having over a certain

14:58

amount of followers again , or is ?

15:00

that a certain amount of income that they're bringing

15:02

in A certain amount of followers , the influencer

15:05

meaning that they're having to me . This

15:07

is because I don't know the

15:10

term right , the urban term

15:12

right off hand right now , but I

15:14

do know that influencers

15:17

have a platform , they

15:19

have a niche as far as maybe , for

15:21

instance , somebody likes to cook , so

15:24

they came up with a platform for cooking , their , you

15:26

know influence , their chef

15:28

or something like that , or a chef to be , and they're

15:30

sharing their opinion

15:34

, perspective and thoughts about , you

15:36

know , cooking , certain dishes or whatever like

15:38

that . You know , some people actually come in with a platform

15:41

. Others , as we have seen

15:43

, like the Jake and Logan Paul I

15:46

had a little definition here that just

15:48

popped up on Google . Someone who

15:50

okay to persuade others to do , buy

15:52

or use the same things that they do . Perfect

15:54

example yep . Influencers have

15:56

a following in specific niche yep , I said

15:58

niche and they actively

16:01

engage their audience . They can affect

16:03

the purchasing decisions , others

16:05

because of their authority , knowledge , position

16:08

, relationship with their audience and not to mention

16:10

their marketability If they're looking good

16:12

.

16:12

I don't think anything's wrong with any of this right .

16:14

No , I don't know . At the end of the day , if people are making

16:16

money off you .

16:17

You should be making some of that money yourself , right ? Even if

16:19

? It's just taking pictures you should be making . You

16:21

should be privy to some of that money if you have another company . Consumers

16:23

society .

16:25

Well , you know , and , like you asked me , it's like

16:27

what do I think about that ? I think , listen , if you're

16:29

going about it the right way , meaning

16:31

you know you're putting in the hours , you're

16:34

putting in the grind because , listen , there's a

16:36

lot of influencers and people who use

16:38

social media that they , you know , who

16:40

made it and are successful . They'll

16:42

even share their success story , like

16:44

you know , whenever they get on these talk shows or

16:46

interviewed by you know , these famous

16:48

interviewers or whatever like that , a well-known interviewers

16:51

, where they'll be like dude , I didn't get

16:53

money until I got four million

16:55

followers , or until I got you know this X

16:57

amount of followers , whatever like that . So when they had

16:59

a million , they would . They're like dude , I was still in my mother's basement

17:02

creating videos , hoping

17:04

, you know , there's a grind involved in everything

17:06

. Now , the flip side

17:09

of that is you have people that

17:12

are just looking at the bag

17:14

. Right , they're looking . It's

17:17

a lazy way of going about the

17:19

hustle , because they're thinking , well

17:22

, I'm gonna make money overnight , I'm

17:24

gonna get this many followers , and then , when they

17:26

realize what it

17:29

truly takes to build

17:31

their platform , build their following

17:33

build it . Now and then , mentally

17:35

it wears them out because it becomes like a job

17:38

to them and they realize , oh man , it ain't gonna

17:40

happen like this or like the same

17:42

thing with people podcasting

17:44

Some look , you love

17:46

what you do and I'm

17:48

sure we spoke on this before , but

17:50

we would all love to get a Spotify

17:53

deal , like Joe Rogan did . But

17:55

let's look at Joe . Rogan . He

17:57

was doing interviews and

17:59

his platform before podcasting

18:02

even became a thing About

18:04

the club years in the game , my friend , you

18:06

know I'm saying so . It's like you're gonna

18:08

put some skin in the game before anything

18:11

comes your way , and that's the

18:13

lazy part About it . That and that's just

18:15

people . Now , that's how you know somebody's just being

18:17

lazy when they're just trying to skip

18:19

to something purely for the

18:21

bag , purely for the money , the bands

18:24

, so . And then when they don't

18:26

get what they think they should

18:28

get within a week's worth of time

18:30

or 72 hours Now

18:33

they're moving on to the next and they're making as

18:35

many legitimate , justified excuses

18:38

as they can as to why . Well , it wouldn't

18:40

work out for me . Oh man , the production

18:42

was was was whacking a

18:44

did . The equipment was working like , okay

18:46

, you could have fixed it , yeah

18:48

you know , I didn't get as many . Guess

18:50

what you got to push your platform

18:53

, what you want to push your plan

18:55

, you , you , what's your marketing strategy ? Oh

18:58

no , go into it right

19:00

now . You know that's lazy

19:02

.

19:03

You know , what's interesting here is , I Think

19:07

that this should be in a perspective that just evolves over time . I

19:10

mean , sometimes work just changes , you

19:13

know , I mean , and people have a problem , I

19:16

think , dealing with that if they feel like they've been on the other side of

19:18

that situation , if you feel like , hey Well

19:20

, I've been working in this factory this whole , you know

19:22

, for 15 , 20 years . I waited for my pension and all

19:24

that stuff . They did things a certain way , but

19:28

Everybody's

19:30

entitled to their own way of of seeing life and wanting

19:32

to do things like you don't . You don't owe people Thinking that

19:34

you're working hard just because they thinking

19:36

that you're working hard . You

19:39

know what I mean . You don't owe people . You shouldn't have

19:41

guilt . If you only work two days a week and you're making X amount of dollars , don't feel guilty

19:44

about that . You know what I mean . That's your job , that's your life

19:46

, that's the

19:48

route that you decided to choose to go . When

19:53

I was rolling up , it was just a 40

19:55

hour , bro . You weren't getting 40 and you weren't working . Well , that

19:57

, and here's my thing .

19:58

I'm an independent

20:00

contractor now and I come from a company

20:02

Independent contractor now and I come

20:04

from the nine to five world and

20:06

I used to think a hit . My mentality

20:09

in the beginning was Let me find

20:11

a job where I can get more money , especially

20:13

as inflation , would you know , always go up as

20:15

far as the cost of living , cost of rent , you

20:17

know everything I just my

20:20

solution back then was well

20:22

, I got to get a different job . That's gonna make me

20:24

, you know , at back

20:26

in the day was like with the early 2000s

20:28

, even late 90s , if I can get me a job

20:30

that makes a hundred thousand a year , I'm

20:32

set for life , whereas now my

20:34

mentality is , you know

20:37

, as an independent contractor , I Don't

20:40

have to get up at a certain time and report

20:42

to this desk or report to this . It

20:46

feels great . You know , I'm on my

20:49

own time , dude . I work at two

20:51

gyms . I'm a gym rat . I love working out

20:53

, I love being healthy , I love , you

20:55

know , I love my life and I

20:58

feel so much healthier . Now , don't get me wrong

21:00

, there's a lot of ups and downs , even in my

21:02

lifestyle where , you know , it's like

21:04

how am I gonna do this and how I'm gonna do this ? Not to mention

21:06

I'm a voice actor . So I

21:08

have , I'm a voice actor , I'm

21:10

a boxing instructor , I'm a swimming instructor

21:13

, I want to continue

21:15

to add on to my

21:18

skillset , to continue

21:20

my movement in life as far

21:22

as what I'd like to do . But I'm

21:24

not gonna sit up here and say , oh , I'm riches as

21:27

Bezos or something like that , because I'm not

21:29

. But at the same time , I feel

21:31

Richer in my

21:33

time . I feel richer with

21:35

the decisions that I'm making . I

21:37

feel richer in in conversations

21:40

I may have with certain people , like the one I share

21:42

with you , with my boss , because Instead

21:44

of me worrying about my livelihood being

21:46

compromised , I'm actually

21:48

, you know , I'm

21:50

actually stepping into a situation

21:52

where I know I hold value . I'm

21:55

not holding it over anyone's head but

21:57

at the same time , I know what I'm bringing to

21:59

the table and and like we like

22:01

you just got finished saying , you know , when you go to a job , we

22:03

feel like we're all this validation

22:05

because I've been in the company for this many

22:08

years and I've done this or whatever , like that and there's

22:10

a sense of pride and you know , comes

22:12

with that words like , hey , I love this job , but

22:14

, like you said this , like that whole street

22:16

mentality . You may love the street , but the streets don't

22:18

love you back .

22:20

They way the same .

22:21

It's the same thing with the . It's the same thing in

22:23

a legal world where you may

22:25

love the job , you

22:27

may look and people may see how Dedicated

22:30

you are to the brand , to the

22:32

company , to everything , but

22:35

you're not the founder . You

22:38

never got promoted . And when

22:41

and when the doors closed on the company because

22:43

they got bought out or they're taking a buyout

22:45

because they just want to , because the founders and the people

22:47

want to live their life , I mean you lucky if

22:49

you get a nice severance package .

22:52

Lucky cuz . That ain't that , that's , that's , that's

22:54

not guaranteed right .

23:04

We wish y'all well . Oh

23:07

my god , you guys have been great . You've

23:09

been awesome . No money involved

23:11

, nothing , no benefits nada

23:14

, they are . So

23:17

you know what that ? Go ahead , go ahead

23:19

.

23:20

I was gonna say that . You know , at the end of the day

23:22

, I think that if we

23:24

Approach things in a sense

23:27

that nobody's owed anything from

23:29

a job standpoint or from

23:31

a from

23:34

a life standpoint so when I go to a business , I

23:36

don't feel like that business owes me . You know

23:38

what I mean . I'm doing a

23:40

service for that business and that business

23:42

is doing I always looked at it like a partnership . As my

23:44

later life , in the last like 10

23:46

years or so , so I've had my computer started , I'm a computer server

23:49

2014 . So it's

23:51

since 2014 to now I've always looked

23:53

at any place that I worked at like a partnership

23:55

. They provide me with what I'm looking for . I

23:58

provide them with what they need . I'm

24:00

gonna come in , I'm gonna work hard , I'm gonna give it my

24:02

100% with whatever we

24:05

decide to do , but

24:08

I always maintain the flexibility that I know I can

24:10

walk away . You know what I mean .

24:12

And that freedom for me has been golden

24:14

. It's been golden for me , because

24:17

at the end of the day , I'm just like walk out , you carry that with you . Yeah

24:19

, you have that . You know what I mean . People can sense that

24:21

. People can sense that type of energy too . People

24:24

can sense what when you have value or

24:26

when you're desperate . You know how , like

24:29

when people joke around or it's like you know , don't go

24:31

to that girl all thirsty because she can smell your desperation

24:33

.

24:33

You know what I'm like that it's

24:36

the same thing with business .

24:37

It's the same thing when you're doing business and you try to . You

24:40

know , man , I wanna cop this deal . I wanna you know

24:42

I can safely say

24:44

this Whenever I

24:46

do like voiceover

24:48

gigs . Now you know cause I've been into

24:51

the game almost as about be eight years now

24:53

, when I've been in the voiceover game

24:55

as long as I have . You

24:57

know I'll say it like this listen

24:59

, I still love

25:02

when I cut a nice check , love it

25:04

Absolutely . You know what I'm saying and

25:06

I'm not gonna lie . But the first thing that comes

25:08

to my mind when someone wants to do

25:10

business with me is okay

25:13

, what's the , what's the , what's

25:15

the brand , what's the platform , what are we doing ? The

25:18

first thing in my mind in that look the one of

25:20

the . It's like maybe second or third or fourth

25:22

, sometimes the top three or four or the

25:24

top 10 . But you know , pay is

25:26

in there . I'm thinking about pay . I'm always thinking

25:28

about pay .

25:30

But at the same time right .

25:32

Well , you look , it is what it is . I'm

25:34

thinking about pay , but my first question is is

25:36

okay , where's the project ? What's

25:40

the purpose of this project ? What

25:42

are we doing ? Am I gonna be comfortable with

25:44

it ? Does

25:48

the dollars make sense or does it

25:50

just make sense ? Because

25:54

sometimes people will try

25:56

to pay you beer

25:58

money for

26:01

a champagne reading Tells

26:07

me how many businesses he

26:09

owns and how he

26:11

has some businesses here on the South side of Chicago

26:13

, on the South side of , and

26:16

for what they were paying me for

26:19

to shoot every day , I would

26:22

, you know , go into the

26:24

you know the thing and do this . Well , they

26:26

finally needed me to do a voiceover read and

26:30

there

26:32

was a miscommunication because

26:35

they wanted me to read a certain amount of you

26:37

know scripts . Well

26:40

, I told them this is what I charge

26:42

per script . Now

26:45

the guy who I finally

26:47

met , who owns this business , just

26:49

got finished telling you give me an exact amount of

26:51

money he's making , you

26:54

know , but you're telling me you own all these businesses which

26:56

translation ? I make a lot

26:58

of money . Okay , good

27:00

for you . So

27:04

you paying me per script

27:06

shouldn't

27:08

be a problem . Instead

27:14

, you want a pity pinch

27:16

and pay me what

27:19

I would charge per script for just the entire

27:22

script that you wanted me to read . That's

27:27

what I look at when I'm dealing with business and being

27:29

willing to have enough courage

27:33

to just

27:35

take it on a chin and walk away and

27:38

not get paid at all .

27:41

Well , you know I was

27:44

going to say the I've . I've seen

27:46

this quite often and I feel

27:48

like it's just a . I

27:52

feel like it's just an . I'm going to assume

27:54

this was , this was in America , right , this is in this country

27:57

, yeah , okay . So

27:59

I'm going to assume

28:02

that a lot of people , if they

28:04

can pay you a dime

28:06

to do a dollar's worth of work , they're going

28:08

to try it . I think that's universally culturally

28:11

right , like we're all going to try

28:14

to at least try it . I think that what makes

28:16

you there , what we can make things

28:18

different , is them trying out with

28:20

everybody and then coming across people who may , may

28:22

, have more value in themselves and more value

28:24

in their own work or don't have to take

28:27

that opportunity . You know what I mean , because

28:29

some people are in positions , jay , where they got to take any opportunity . You know

28:31

what I mean .

28:33

Like bills are real and some people are going to take any , any

28:35

dollar and I'm going to try you

28:37

.

28:37

They're going to at least ask

28:40

. You know I used to work for a guy and

28:42

a guy here in Atlanta

28:44

and you

28:47

know downtown we had a

28:50

studio right . It's like a little audio

28:52

engineering type situation . And

28:54

I tell you dude was a

28:56

penny pincher bro . Like I don't know if

28:58

I could go below a penny , I would say

29:00

he was below sub penny pincher

29:02

what he would try to pay and sometimes he

29:04

didn't tell them to after the work he was very shady business

29:07

practices . In that sense I learned a lot

29:09

of what not to do . I'm here on this dude

29:11

from New York , quite a character .

29:12

I really liked him , but I did learn a lot

29:14

for him .

29:15

What , not how not to approach

29:17

certain business decisions

29:19

. You know what I mean , because I feel

29:22

like , at the end of the day , jay , business is business

29:24

and people are going to try you right .

29:27

Yeah , people go people . It's unfortunate

29:29

and it can affect the personal

29:32

side of things at times . For me , like you know the story

29:34

I share with you early , unfortunately . But

29:38

in turn , what you're , you know

29:40

what . Here's the thing about situations like that

29:42

you learn a lot about yourself . You

29:46

know like the type of person you are , because

29:48

this story could have been real different if you've been like yo

29:50

man . I learned a lot from him and I saved

29:52

a lot of money . You know whatever like that , because you

29:54

might have been better than him .

29:56

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