In episode 5, we talk with Dr. Debie Rudder Lohe, Director of the Policy Reinert Center for Transformative Teaching and Learning at St. Louis University. Dr. Lohe was also appointed acting Associate Provost for Faculty Affairs and Development. Topics that are discussed include transformation teaching and learning through writing and pedagogy, undergraduate education at a Jesuit or Catholic university, the forming of self for an educated person, the role and pattern of language and the training of a humanistic eye, mending the tension between the value of disciplines and the value of inter-disciplines, the role and strengths within a writing center, and using the POD Network as a UVP member.