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Paul says to depart and be
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with Christ is not just a
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difference between the good and the
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better,
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it's the difference between the good and
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the far better. Not just
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better, far better. I mean
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it's a quantum leap of goodness for
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the Christian to die
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because we go immediately to
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be with Christ.
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The Apostle Paul provides Christians with
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a helpful perspective that goes directly
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against the thinking of the world. For
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Paul, to live is Christ
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and to die is gain. It's
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not the worldly idea that to live is good
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and to die is bad. And
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as R.C. Sproul just reminded us, Paul
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would go on to say that to be with
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Christ is far better. This
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is the Thursday edition of Renewing Your Mind
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and all week we've been building a biblical
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view of grief, death and eternity.
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Well for the next two days we've handpicked
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messages from R.C. Sproul's Overview
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of Theology series because these
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messages deal specifically with these important
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topics. Well today he considers
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the words of Paul to help us understand
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what happens when we die and where
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do we go.
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We come now to the segment
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or subdivision of theology
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that we call eschatology.
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And eschatology is so
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called because the word derives
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from the Greek word
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eschaton which refers
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to the so called last
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things or the future
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things, those things that
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are left remaining about
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our hope of redemption.
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And so we're going to start our
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study. of eschatology today
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by considering a little bit about
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the big enemy that we
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face as human beings,
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the single greatest problem that
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we encounter as mortals,
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and that is that
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we are mortal.
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That is that we at some
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point
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have to deal with
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death. Death is
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the final enemy we are told
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that we have to deal with.
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And the question that everybody asks
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is the question that was first asked by
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Job in the ancient
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world, if a man dies,
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will he live again? Or
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to put it another way, is there
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life after death, or
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what happens to us when
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this mortal body goes
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through the transition
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that we call death?
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I mean, that
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is always on everybody's
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mind. It may be tucked
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back in a far corner of the mind,
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but we are aware of
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our mortality, and
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that specter, that enemy
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of death standing out there facing
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us
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always tends to take a little
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of the joy away from our present
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experiences and
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always seems to be
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threatening us with something
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bad.
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And the question is, has that enemy
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finally once and for all been
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defeated, and what does
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death mean for the Christian?
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Well, let's begin our brief
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examination of this question. by
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looking at some things that the
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Apostle Paul says in
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his letter to the Romans. In chapter 5
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of Romans, beginning at verse 12,
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Paul says this,
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"'Therefore, just
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as through one man sin
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entered the world," he's referring, of course,
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to Adam, and death
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through sin, and thus
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death spread to all men
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because all sinned. For
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until the law sin was in the
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world,
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but sin is not imputed when
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there is no law. Nevertheless,
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death reigned from Adam
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to Moses.'" Now, this is significant. Paul
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is giving an important theological
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point here.
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He's saying, was there sin
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before Moses, before
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the law was given? And Paul
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said, yes, there was sin before
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the law was given through Moses. How
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do we know that? What's
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Paul's argument? He said, we
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know that there was law in the world
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before Moses came
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because there was something else
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in the world. And what was it?
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Death. He said, because
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without the law
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there is no sin, because sin
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by definition is a transgression
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of the law,
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and without sin there can
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be no
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death. And since there
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was death, that proves there
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had to be sin, and if there was
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sin, that proves there had to be law.
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And he's talking about that law
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that God had revealed inwardly to
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human beings from the very
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beginning. But Paul is saying that
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this problem, this enemy,
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this death came
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into the world as a direct
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result of sin. Now
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at that point the Christian is placed on a
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collision course with secular
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thinking in our day, which sees
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death as simply part of
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the natural order of things,
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whereas the Christian sees death as
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part of the natural
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fallen order of
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things,
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but was not the original
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state of man,
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that death came
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as God's judgment
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on sin.
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And at the beginning all sin
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was a capital offense, the soul
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that sins shall die. And
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He said to Adam and Eve, the day
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that you eat of it
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you shall surely die.
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Now when God was
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saying that, He was not threatening
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Adam and Eve simply
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with spiritual death. Well
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obviously the day they transgressed
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the law of God in the garden,
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they died spiritually. They
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did not die physically. And
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so one asked the question, well what did
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He mean when He said, the day that you eat of
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it you shall surely die. Well what He meant was
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the day that you eat of that
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you're done. You're going to die, not
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just in your soul, not just
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in your spirit, but you're going to die, you're
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going to have Thanatos, you're
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going to undergo what we call
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biological death. That
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was the warning. That was the penalty,
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that Adam and Eve did not die
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physically the day that they sinned. It
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was not because God was a liar, but
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because God always, when
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He gives warnings for the consequences
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of sin, reserves to Himself
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the right
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to grant mercy or
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to be gracious. And what
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He did was He granted Adam
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and Eve the grace to live
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for the Lord. for some time
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in this world before
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He would exact the
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penalty for their sin, which was death.
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Every human being in this world
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is a sinner, and every
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human being in this world has
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been sentenced to death.
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And every human being in this world
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is on death row.
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That's where we are as human
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beings. We're waiting for
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the hammer to fall, for the
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sentence to be carried out. However,
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from the Christian perspective, death
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is no longer seen simply
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as the punishment or the penalty
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for sin, because
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the penalty for sin has been
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paid by Christ. Now
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death has a whole different significance.
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Now death is a moment
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of transition
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from this world to
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the next.
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Now let's take a look at what Paul says
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later on to the Philippians.
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Chapter 1 of Paul's letter
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to the Philippians in the nineteenth verse.
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Here's what he says,
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"'For I know that this will turn out for
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my deliverance through your prayer
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and the supply of the Spirit of Jesus
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Christ,
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according to my earnest
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expectation
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and hope,
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that in nothing I shall be ashamed.
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But with all boldness, as always,
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so now also Christ will be
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magnified in my body, whether
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by life
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or by death. For
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to me to live
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is Christ, and to die
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is gain. But
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if I live on the flesh, this will mean
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for you.' fruit from my labor. Yet
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what I shall choose I cannot tell, for
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I am hard-pressed between the two.
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Having a desire to depart and be with
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Christ, which is far better,
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nevertheless to remain in the flesh
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is more needful for
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you." Now here Paul
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makes some very important
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value judgments about
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death.
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And if there's anything that we
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read in the New Testament
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that our faith staggers
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at, it's this statement
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that Paul gives here. Because
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even though we say we believe
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and we celebrate Easter and
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we rejoice in
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Christ's victory over the grave, we're
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still afraid of death. Now
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I have to say in all honesty to
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you,
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to the best of my knowledge,
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I don't think I'm afraid of death. But
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also to the best of my knowledge,
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I'm very much afraid of dying. In
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other words, it's not what happens
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when I breathe my last breath
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that has me afraid. It's
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the process that I may have
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to go through because there's no guarantee
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that Christians aren't going to have to go through a lot
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of pain and a lot of anguish on
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the way out. The only guarantee
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we have is the presence of God
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with us
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in the midst of it.
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And also the guarantee we have of
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where we go when our eyelids
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close in death.
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And what Paul says
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is this, for me
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to live is Christ, to
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die is gain. The
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apostles turned the world upside down and
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the chief world
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turner upside down was
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Paul. Apart
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from Jesus, I can think
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of no more extraordinary
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life that was lived by any Christian
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since Christ than the life of
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the Apostle Paul. I
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mean, when we look at what he
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accomplished in his life, what
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he endured in his life, what
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he suffered in his life, it's
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just absolutely astonishing
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what this man did.
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And yet, you
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couldn't have a Paul unless
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you had a man who
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was this passionately convinced
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of the truth of his eternal
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life than Paul was.
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Paul didn't care whether he died the next
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minute. He risked his life
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and limb every minute because
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he said, as long as I'm alive, it's Christ.
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I'm serving Christ. And
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if I die, it only
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gets better. It's
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gain for me to
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live is Christ, and to die
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is gain. Whenever
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we see somebody who's undergone
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the death of a family member or
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a loved one, we send
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them cards of condolences and
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we say, we're sorry about
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your great loss. And
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when somebody dies, it is a loss
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for us. There's no question about it. But if
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they're a Christian, it is not a loss for
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them. It
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is a gain.
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It's on the
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positive side of the
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ledger. Now, Paul reinforces
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this in this same context
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here where he says a couple of verses
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later,
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I am hard pressed between the
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two, hard pressed between
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the two, having a desire to depart
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and be with Christ,
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or to stay in the flesh,
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which is more needful for you." So he has
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this dilemma. He said, I look at my
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ministry, I look at the churches
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out there, and I know that
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I have a job to do to
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help you grow into the fullness.
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I don't want to be taken out of this battle. I
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want to be able to continue
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to minister to you and see you home.
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I have a great desire to continue
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this earthly ministry, and
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I think it's necessary for you that
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I stay around for a while, is what he's saying.
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And so I'm going to fix here. I'm going to straight
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between two things. I'm going to reel on
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the horns of a dilemma. He said, on
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the one hand, I really want to stay with
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you
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and help you. On the other hand,
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my heart's in heaven. On
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the other hand, I can't wait
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to go home because
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I left some words out when I read it this
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time. I'm going to straight between
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two things, to depart and be
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with Christ, which is far
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better. Now,
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we have a tendency to look at the difference
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between life and death as the difference
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between good and bad.
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That's not how the apostle looked at it.
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He looked at the difference between
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life and death as
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the difference between the good and the
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better. He
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said, living is good. I
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mean, there's a lot of pain in life. This place
15:40
is a veil of tears. And I can understand
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sometimes when some people are reduced
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to such a level of suffering and pain that they
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really want to die.
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But most of us,
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despite the aches and the pains,
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the heartbreaks, the disappointments, the
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frustrations that assault us every
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day in this life,
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All those things put
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aside, we
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still want to live. I
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mean, we want to live. There is a
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joy of living,
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a sense in which we hold
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on tenaciously to life, because even
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with all the pains and the frustrations and
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the disappoint, life
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is a wonderful thing.
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It's an incredible thing. Just think about
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it, what it means
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to be alive. What
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it means to be a living, breathing
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human being. Paul
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says, for me to live in
16:37
Christ, and it's good
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if I stay here. Not
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bad. But to
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depart and be with Christ
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is not just a difference
16:48
between the good and the
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better.
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It's the difference between the good
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and the far better. Not
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just better, far
17:02
better. I mean, it's
17:04
a quantum leap of goodness
17:07
for the Christian to
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die, because
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we go immediately to
17:14
be with Christ. That's
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not just an empty hope, but
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that's a hope that has been verified
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by Christ's own resurrection
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in real history, which
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Paul saw with his
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own eyes. Now, maybe the reason
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we're not as bold, as courageous,
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and as effective as the Apostle Paul is
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that we haven't seen with our own eyes
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what he saw with his own eyes. There wasn't
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any doubts in Paul's mind about
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whether he was headed for heaven, or
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whether there was a resurrected Christ.
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He knew that. And
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he said, I'll risk anything in this world, because
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it doesn't matter what happens to this boss. because
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I'm going home. Now the
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first question we face in eschatology with
18:05
respect to death is what happens to us
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when we die? Because
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the Bible teaches that there is
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death, and
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the Bible also teaches that there is a final
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resurrection. In the Apostles' Creed
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we say,
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resurrectionis carnus,
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resurrectionis, because I'm testing my Latin
18:27
students here. I believe
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in the resurrection of
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the body.
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And when we say that we believe in the resurrection
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of the body, we are not saying that we
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believe in the resurrection of
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Jesus' body. Of course we believe in
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that,
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but the reference to the phrase, the resurrection
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of the body, in the Apostles'
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Creed refers to our faith
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in the resurrection of our bodies.
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We believe that though our bodies undergo
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this thing that we call thanatos, or
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death, that that body which
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may be destroyed by a bomb, burned
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up in a fire, or
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buried in a hole in the ground, that
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someday those bones are going to rise
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again, that just as Christ
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came out of the tomb
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with the same body He went
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into the tomb with,
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though He came out with that same body,
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that same body had been dramatically
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altered, it had been glorified,
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it had been changed from mortal to
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immortal, and so on.
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So in 1 Corinthians 15 the Apostle
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says
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that just as Christ
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came with a new body,
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He came as the firstfruits
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of those who were raised from the dead, that
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we also will be raised
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by our bodies. And he says, you know, by
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what body will they come out? I don't know.
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I don't know if I'm going to have gray hair in heaven.
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I don't know if I'm going to be overweight in heaven. I
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hope not, and I don't know what I'm
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going to look like, and I don't know what you're going to look like,
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but I know that there's going to be recognition,
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and I know that it's not going
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to be just a
20:13
wandering spirit or ghostly
20:15
soul running around. We
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are going to have recognizable
20:21
bodies, because that's
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the final promise. So
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the best state in the
20:28
future is
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the glorified body. Living
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in the body now, here on earth,
20:40
is good. The best
20:43
is the glorified body in our
20:45
final estate. The
20:47
much better is what we say
20:50
is what takes place in
20:52
what we call in theology the intermediate
20:55
state. The
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intermediate state is that state
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of existence in which we find ourselves
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between the time of our death and
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the time of the final resurrection of
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the body.
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And presumably when I
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die,
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my body goes in the grave.
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My soul goes directly
21:17
to heaven
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to be immediately in the presence
21:21
of Jesus Christ, which is far
21:23
better than the existence
21:25
that I have in this world. But I will be
21:27
a soul without a body. The
21:30
best of all possible situations
21:33
will occur even later in
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the consummation of the kingdom of Christ
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when my
21:40
soul will take upon itself
21:42
another body
21:43
that is imperishable
21:47
and glorified. The
21:50
point here is this doesn't mean,
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as some heretics have taught,
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that when we die,
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we enter into what's called soul sleep.
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where you're in a state of suspended animation
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and personal unconsciousness
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and unaware of the passing of time,
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and you stay in that state until the great
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resurrection. But in the meantime,
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you are separated from Christ in
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a very real sense. You may not be aware of it,
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but you are, where
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the biblical view is a
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view that teaches the unbroken
22:26
continuity of
22:29
personal existence, of
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personal conscious existence.
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So the second you die, you may
22:36
be unconscious when you die. The
22:39
second you die, you're awake, because
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you will now
22:43
be
22:44
in a state of
22:46
personal conscious
22:49
existence in the presence
22:52
of Christ, and in the presence of
22:54
God, which is a magnificent
22:58
thing to anticipate.
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And so I'm fixing to
23:03
live forever. I
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don't plan to ever die. I
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plan to go through a biological,
23:11
physiological transition where
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this body wears out as
23:16
it is currently wearing out.
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You know, my wife was saying to me yesterday,
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she said, I feel like I'm 40 years old. I
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said, that's because it's in your mind. It's
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because your inner person,
23:31
that self that lives in this
23:33
outward body
23:35
is still alert and aware.
23:37
You know, you're not really conscious
23:40
of how much
23:41
you have aged physically.
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And where do you really live? You really
23:47
live inside yourself,
23:50
in your mind, in your spirit, in
23:52
your soul.
23:53
That personal continuity of consciousness
23:57
continues only
23:59
in a much greater way. greater state because
24:02
it's in the immediate presence of Christ.
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So Paul's dilemma
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was answered with the victory
24:12
of his death, where
24:14
he could go home and receive
24:17
and experience the gain of
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being with Christ.
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24:42
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by Guy Waters, Facing the Last Enemy,
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Death and the Christian. So please give generously
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at renewingyourmind.org or by calling
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us at 800-435-4343. Thank
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you for being a theological lifeline for
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I used to think heaven was a place
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in the clouds with lots of harps and angels,
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but that's not how the Bible describes it. Tomorrow,
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R.C. Sproul concludes this week's study explaining
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what we know about heaven. That's Friday
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here on Renewing Your Mind.
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