Welcome to Research @ OU Law School. We continue with our Judging Brexit series in this episode. I have a talk with David Denis about his recent blog post on Llewellyn, Hart and Miller 2 on the UK Constitutional Law Association's blog (https://bit.ly/33AJGLW). We discuss the insights of the early realists, Hart, and what they would say about the recent Miller 2 judgment. We also have some laughs along the way.Don't forget to also check out our 50 Years of Law blog dedicated to the Open University's 50th birthday (http://www.open.ac.uk/blogs/50YearsOfLaw/). It is where we post the videos of these talks as well. My name is Marjan Ajevski and I am the Research Fellow in Law at the Open University Law School. Thanks for listening and hope you visit again.