Dr. Dan Cremons, research scientist at NASA, PhD in materials science from the University of Minnesota, joins the pod to talk about his work from the atomic scale up through the intergalactic scale. The patience of spending years of building an instrument to watch atomic vibrations that have never been seen before translates well to a career at NASA where your life's work may only pay off decades after your retirement. Come join us to hear about the studies of the vast and the minuscule, with lasers galore!