This week, Seth and Peter discuss our participants’ reflections on individual attributes that have sustained them through a long crisis, what does transformation really mean and who can help deliver it.

Find out more about the ‘Resilient Leadership’ project here: www.resilienceshift.org/resilient-leadership

Podcast editing by Roman Svidran. Music by Robin Fuzile and Jesse Reiner from the album ‘Unyuko’ (2019).