In this episode, Dr. Paul Zeitz sits down with Ellen Goldstein, a former World Bank director with over three decades of experience in international development. With a focus on fostering democracy, economic development, social inclusion and conflict resolution, Goldstein shares her insights on navigating complex revolutionary times in Myanmar when the world hoped that democracy would take hold, and then it collapsed.

Discover how Goldstein's commitment to aid effectiveness and policy dialogue drives her advocacy for equitable solutions for the most vulnerable people. From her groundbreaking work in Myanmar to her thought-provoking book, "Damned If You Do," Goldstein offers her perspective on the universal struggle with foreign aid and the quest for transformative change in international development drawing on her decades of foreign aid leadership roles in countries across Asia, Africa, and Eastern Europe.

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Revolutionary Optimism is hosted by Dr. Paul Zeitz and produced by Earfluence.