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2:28

hello my friends welcome to another round

2:30

of a book club this week i

2:32

am joined by vegas great

2:35

how are you doing forget i'm pretty amazing hell yeah

2:37

i'm i'm very good you have written to hold

2:40

a crime mana i'm

2:43

which we'll talk about it in the second a

2:45

the first thing we need to

2:47

clear up before we do anything else they regularly

2:50

they holocaust we want to know [unk]

2:52

his

2:54

why didn't the wash up your your porridge

2:56

time when i said a flat with you the edinburgh

2:59

fringe and how long the think

3:01

it would take me to wash up it's their

3:04

chris anderson him just was deathly

3:06

this is a great injustice because

3:12

because i got caught in the crossfire

3:14

it was nothing to do with me

3:16

as you remember

3:18

myself i'm calling whole if you do because of the

3:20

camera double act the up with

3:23

a two years on

3:25

on the second year yes

3:28

arthur is quite cruel what you did right

3:33

so yeah yeah so what are often was there

3:35

was an unwashed

3:37

the pan yeah

3:39

the new decided i've had enough of

3:41

this i'm gonna do an experiment not

3:44

going to make a point yeah that's

3:46

exactly what happens yeah i'm going

3:48

to see how long before they wash

3:50

up this pond the yeah but

3:52

i hate when you forget his at me and com

3:54

were like two different people i

3:57

know it was nothing to do this

3:59

because i never we are never

4:02

cooked anything in that kitchen

4:03

are you was called us call in or fergus

4:08

as you just put this put this thing

4:10

it was hard to remember which one was which at

4:13

the tv just to me or two

4:15

men but i can be responsible his axe

4:17

and so i believe with nothing

4:20

to do me i never wake

4:22

in that kitchen

4:23

well then i'm gonna have to get college know on

4:25

said so then i i'm pretty

4:27

sure was you to know i remember

4:29

from the first time

4:32

we'll have to do yet in two thousand

4:34

and four yes eighteen

4:37

years ago we were like we've

4:40

all about twenty four and i never

4:42

been edinburgh before the

4:45

hardly done any comedy before and

4:48

we'd been like picked up by avalon

4:50

which felt like a huge

4:52

avalon it like

4:54

we were spending thousands of pounds

4:56

and we had like pr and stuff and they

4:58

were saying think they lot her posters everywhere

5:01

and , saying thing it was like they were talking as

5:03

if well within a week we're gonna be famous

5:06

famous and life and like they

5:08

were like if you get into a fight in the pleasant

5:10

spot you know call us because we don't want to

5:12

get in the in of

5:14

the flop they

5:17

like and

5:19

, we took a train journey out

5:23

i took the train tickets a few weeks before

5:26

and and that was when there was still smoking

5:29

carriages so

5:31

i booked up because column is

5:33

a smoker i booked us in the smoking carriage

5:36

the like a kind thing to do which

5:39

is just but like a horrible thing to do in

5:42

the interim calling gave up smoking so

5:46

, sat in a smoking car for five hours

5:49

calling not smoking the

5:51

we went are flat met you

5:54

who

5:55

i was like like a says only twenty four

5:57

he was only a few years before the i've been

5:59

him up in bedroom listening to your

6:01

radio show that like the first

6:04

famous comedian i'd

6:07

ever met at

6:10

and then you like we're

6:12

all excited and then i guess

6:14

you were in a strange place you were

6:16

right you had a lot of anxiety

6:19

about , way you're running was gonna go

6:22

away you are are are

6:24

use of like spent an hour telling

6:27

us how we were gonna abnormal

6:29

going to sail the stuff to us but we gonna

6:31

lose thousands of years

6:35

and it might years it my old cat

6:37

shit yeah you just let said

6:39

a lot of just really depressing stuff

6:42

going then collins has collins need smoke

6:44

and then we went and then demons months

6:48

right now when i know you were right

6:50

when organ influence of

6:53

advice fergus you are you were avenue

6:55

on the worse under to be doing a double

6:57

act as we've discussed as we've discovered enough

6:59

of the behind him with us sooner

7:02

a and this b i mean this

7:04

is a very interesting but it is the second

7:06

book written by are you

7:09

in the character of martin fishback

7:12

m t good so we talk

7:14

a little bit about

7:16

where that character

7:18

came from ah yeah and

7:20

how a hand how about develop festival

7:23

yeah the origins quite so complicated

7:26

i was i'm living i'm living

7:28

the year with my girlfriend

7:31

doing nothing the i decided

7:33

to make it just make

7:35

it to a video just to make something and

7:37

had the idea of idea middle class dad

7:40

sending dad message to his son

7:44

on his son's first week of school not

7:46

school and university life for

7:49

flashes week so just

7:51

popped out like this or middle class that character

7:53

who's very sort of like a

7:55

real know it off to sort of like you know just

7:58

your know the club's even at this anti semitic the

8:00

matter you

8:02

, it's not the my mother and i don't know your mother

8:04

and i don't love you but your mother loves you very much

8:06

in a all that

8:08

he was very was not characters so

8:10

of like

8:11

found

8:14

an audience on twitter we have just

8:16

kept on doing the videos of

8:18

this middle class dad and i had no idea where is

8:20

going you didn't have didn't have and

8:22

it just resolved that character and

8:25

then when we moved back to

8:27

london lockdown happened do

8:31

not one of those videos every day and then

8:33

once i start to say in the videos

8:35

that he had left his job call

8:38

guys with

8:40

succumbing a crime writer what

8:43

i had no idea what was going to do that was just so

8:45

is a funny thing to say and

8:47

then one day i came up with an extract for his

8:49

crime novel and

8:51

i came up with the main character his his

8:53

of anti hero detector brazil a camera

8:56

the had no idea where that would go gently they

8:59

didn't think it would be a book i'm

9:02

it was extracts from a book that didn't exist

9:05

yeah

9:06

and one of the first ones that i did

9:08

so of went a bit viral it

9:10

was a sexy and

9:13

gas and then i just kept

9:15

making them an actress or evolved

9:17

and then i ended up getting a book deal for the first

9:20

book which was cool whereupon a crime

9:22

yeah we could be

9:24

quite a you know the it does

9:27

even a thought read up on weldon it's rate

9:29

was very funny sort of but i laughed at the very

9:31

first line it's it's

9:33

very funny for the south be kind of a is

9:35

this i'm going

9:38

oh yeah what way when i read that was even when was

9:40

the second book cargo how it is

9:42

this going to sustain to sustain

9:44

i'm i'm it really does swagger there was

9:47

a is a very very enjoyable and actually

9:49

waves you

9:51

want to know what's the what's happened that

9:53

even though is that is obviously a pastiche really

9:56

a bad writing and a bad bad

9:58

crime novels and and of crime

9:59

the general but you know

10:02

was that a worry for you that to

10:04

to make the leap from doing a very

10:06

short film big the very

10:09

short extracts to go will

10:11

this will this the same

10:13

the an entire book definitely

10:15

was not a massive a perfect fit for

10:18

the first book as lot is anyone

10:20

gonna read like sixty batsman for

10:22

has said assist said assist

10:25

the videos were like ninety seconds long

10:27

or something the outlet i'm

10:30

just trying hum as much

10:32

jokes as i can in and

10:35

then right

10:37

in the first book where you have to sustain

10:40

that have some kind of plot that's gonna keep

10:42

people following but i still have that sort

10:44

of anxiety

10:47

that life because it's not strictly

10:49

the first one i thought that will because this is not

10:53

the piece of literary genius it's

10:55

not like proper

10:57

novel has to

10:59

be making people laugh all

11:01

the time to justify his cf

11:04

but then there's that worry that it just gets

11:06

annoying

11:07

it it

11:09

oh yeah that was a big the worry but

11:12

am i so i think i found

11:14

the way but why did with the second one

11:16

because the first one

11:18

which happily lots of people really did enjoy

11:21

i did but it was a sort of did

11:23

it backwards so i was saying

11:25

all the time i was making the videos that

11:27

these extracts

11:29

where run

11:30

these were extracts from a novel but the

11:32

novel didn't exist so i was piecing

11:34

a story together from aggro decks that i

11:37

had written with no idea of her out but

11:40

then then one i saw as to of are

11:42

really do a proper

11:45

you know

11:46

who done it all gas do a proper

11:49

storyline so i this

11:51

one works more as more as right

11:53

now okay yeah i mean you've got it was

11:55

i was it did some come to say let through the

11:57

book or did you go to someone as i can i do it

12:00

know someone came to me i had to at the i

12:02

think got about three publishes comes to is quite

12:04

exciting yeah but

12:06

yes fear books came to came who do

12:09

like a loss of actual

12:11

real crime novels so

12:14

ah yeah it's great but it's great good

12:16

is quite a mental thing to rak it's was

12:19

i don't know

12:20

the thousand jokes two thousand

12:22

don't know , don't

12:25

shut any of the jokes to anyone until the

12:27

hub for specific tone

12:30

know it's funny right and to hand

12:33

over

12:34

yeah i'm in i'm what i mean roy

12:36

are sometimes when you do and you've done a lot of character

12:38

comedy and when you do when you're

12:40

making [unk] carriage company and doing current sketches

12:42

you obviously writing in character and

12:44

to some degree and maybe even at

12:46

living in character is it is

12:49

it is a weird process to

12:52

the to be writing an entire

12:54

book in canada do you get it had

12:56

to write the book or you always service

12:58

one sex attacks don't you find some some

13:00

disappearing into into martin

13:03

fish by yourself i'm not really thinking

13:05

about martin fish back when i write it

13:07

the i am so of writing it in a it's a voice

13:10

right it's a person average let the idea

13:12

is is is not a parody of

13:14

that crammed crime novels

13:17

not it's a what

13:19

would a middle class guy from

13:22

exeter who can't really right

13:25

bryce was ,

13:27

to write a bestselling crime novel yeah

13:30

and

13:31

the thing i enjoy most rounds of right in

13:33

his cat to is like getting through

13:36

in his gripes out in the right dramatic

13:40

just like bringing up things about

13:42

my ridiculous like traffic laws or whatever

13:45

than throwing them into the plot

13:46

the

13:48

the end of the business of like we always a lot

13:50

has been swear he's lived with his citizens

13:53

fifth of the difficulty with the pages of

13:55

another thing that really my beloved it's not is that

13:57

the is that like

13:59

please

13:59

trying to get through the product placement into the

14:02

book

14:03

without ever actually

14:05

talking has not been to see been

14:08

see if we can get can deal to say

14:10

that i threw his i'd rather spend what i like

14:12

what i good is not you know either as

14:14

a given it's not

14:18

it's very subtle i think what you're doing

14:20

and is any and it's not like all

14:23

the way through timelines make this guy looks david

14:25

let's try do a terrible novel it's

14:27

like it's you know it's sort of some

14:29

of it works and some risks of it as

14:32

soon as a second i thought of as

14:34

it's the process is moving along as the is

14:36

not all about

14:37

knocking this kind justified

14:39

but it but it is find the and finding him

14:42

through the get beyond it is a bit

14:44

wareham obviously

14:47

in his mind is got to the second draft

14:49

and realize that he's he's putting something

14:51

that subject he doesn't work that is that

14:53

he's managed death even though the phone lines

14:55

are down and the roads

14:58

around the managed to

15:00

but i'll get some pizza so

15:03

, ahead and that gravitate

15:06

to get it depicts the price

15:08

difference to iran bus was

15:10

going to buy that there are loads either you could

15:12

fill a book with loads of stuff like that but

15:14

it's that the web whatever it is it's very softly

15:17

none which have a gif of the reason it

15:19

can sustain the in i'm more

15:22

than a sketch more than one novelist and

15:24

i mean that's the advances area of dances

15:26

and disadvantages to write this why but that would be

15:28

an example of a situation where i wrote

15:30

myself into a plot hole but

15:33

an amended that i can easily

15:36

get away with that because i'm not being deliberately

15:38

hurting of the had but

15:42

that says that thing of like

15:44

nuclear power is it like bad writing

15:47

you , need to make it readable experience

15:50

i would anybody but that you have you really should

15:52

probably didn't surprise me as i knew i know you're

15:54

great american frequently but

15:56

that but i was but i felt

15:58

like to agree by the story

16:01

i don't want him to wants to know what

16:03

was gonna ask you a bit so

16:05

you as i does it really does work on the on two

16:08

levels even though you're aware is nonsense that even

16:10

though the crimes are

16:12

absolutely a ,

16:14

flopper go faster and safer

16:17

bet you think about the name but it

16:19

the it is it's nigel i'm reminded

16:21

me i think i saw your post but

16:24

i sort of reminds me of my less than

16:27

they do not like and it's allies

16:29

dawson play the piano in the inner you've got

16:31

to be answered the out to do it well

16:33

in order to do it i saw that is

16:35

very kind and very think identities

16:38

as has made evident he did it

16:40

is in immediately because it's

16:43

that an idiot

16:44

just like

16:46

to play with the that's

16:48

not a thing and out and and some of the great

16:51

given is a little bit as a little feel of alan

16:53

partridge to this just to this a middle is

16:55

a pompous

16:56

middle aged man but it's not

16:58

like how the party's been reminded

17:01

me that advances in terms of that it was sustainable

17:03

and

17:04

the novel that their alan partridge

17:06

autobiography wish the

17:09

the brothers the right for him and the given

17:11

spreaders right is absolutely

17:13

fantastic of the ever in innocent rated

17:16

x voice but you need for that to work you

17:18

needed a very strong

17:20

parents

17:22

yeah yeah no it's it's

17:26

the wanna say i can say about the product

17:28

placement thing yeah the in the first

17:30

one i just did that cause i find it funny

17:33

i just kept mentioning kick catch on keys and

17:35

things are unnecessarily like met snakes

17:38

like instead of saying he uses his he picks

17:40

up his phone he picks up his hallway pieces

17:42

and friday but

17:45

, russia when this this this thing called net

17:47

galley the familiar with that that

17:50

of it's some kind of inset

17:52

thing to people sign up to and

17:55

the publisher they were if

17:57

if they're lucky enough they'll get to read

18:00

some books before they come out how

18:03

long have you done a night it gives

18:05

than the publishes an option into good

18:07

gauge how to promote it but

18:10

because this because this that's because

18:12

it's a novel you can't put it in a comedies

18:14

exceptions so it it is

18:17

in the crime and thriller genre is

18:19

, lots of people reddit not clocking

18:21

that it was a parodies and

18:23

there were always and the first reduce vic

18:26

coming out there quite a lot of crime

18:28

novel fan so i don't understand we keep mentioning

18:30

tickets i'm

18:33

not getting late so that's

18:35

why i put in enlist in the new

18:38

one eye for an author's note at the beginning

18:40

prime so of lay on a site for them why

18:43

are you doing that's about

18:46

, it that my is even better

18:51

get is not just the massively overplayed

18:54

is really every

18:57

night against the wanna , even if

18:59

the cats and then every that again

19:01

this as again this use they can get junkie

19:06

and i found that just they i just ate ones that laughing

19:08

it was because of you have tried to give up chocolate guy

19:10

i was just

19:11

the thinking about you know we did comedy

19:13

and whatever but the guy who invented the kit kat

19:15

whoever he wasn't even really know

19:18

what he did cause you'll be dead by now i can yeah

19:20

hundred years

19:21

that led the united make

19:24

or did i went on a tour of that york

19:26

top of actually when they told my kick

19:29

the calling on behalf a courtroom how many kick

19:31

at the made every month i think it's a billion they asked

19:33

and my son is foolish acted

19:35

as a bit as having to get my they

19:38

can made me a that a good as good as my billie

19:40

and brazilian are some things that he and

19:42

he said well as daily that second anything is that

19:44

but it was that he might be a billion the

19:47

money the united huge

19:50

i mean i'm not as i said line of english as take

19:52

a moment think this

19:55

, how many kickass and then

19:57

uses a rift you know if it was a billion

20:00

that's a month as four billion to cassandras

20:04

my movie more about some of them have got

20:07

some of the reactive that the and this the

20:10

argued japan little different flavors are like is

20:12

insane the given up

20:14

on my way ahead on kick yeah they

20:16

are for if you just puts what we do

20:18

have spent is what i'm saying you know that i

20:20

want it on and hundred the assigned me

20:22

that we making a billion copies

20:24

of your stupid fucking but now they lines

20:26

other day that he always think less

20:29

tickets are like warhammer says like a twix

20:31

less seventy pays yeah

20:33

that is what lots of people are well up proper

20:35

millionaires just from selling something that costs seventy

20:38

p exactly tasks in a just

20:40

since many marvel

20:42

at

20:43

so you're right to put them in the good and the i'm

20:45

glad within

20:46

this is going to do on my podcast is denied

20:49

because we do have adverts sometimes mention

20:51

some the a lot like a cat champion i've

20:53

the kit cat will gain traction

20:56

in a just and i'm just showing them what i could

20:58

do with it with a with a kick and and

21:00

nothing have done nothing less if

21:02

you if you listening kit kats in sick

21:06

i didn't know already what is it is here

21:08

the audiobook this book has not come out yet

21:10

when does the book come out book comes out on

21:13

oct october fourth have done or whatever

21:15

is your favorite

21:17

the thing to do the one you read

21:19

didn't have an epilogue yeah

21:22

oh good good for that guess imagine

21:25

very very good epilogue i enjoyed that

21:27

looks as if the twists and turns coming

21:29

in every direction and

21:31

i presume you do the at the

21:33

audiobook impact

21:36

yes yeah yeah i can the that's

21:38

an enormous you transit system of i the

21:42

i read like an extra it hadn't been

21:44

invented the other i think that would be nice yeah slurry

21:47

just enough if anyone still listening

21:49

so read i'll read the young

21:53

prologue to the first

21:56

to this book

21:58

my bedroom and get to the

21:59

the have a year

22:02

though

22:03

so cove the

22:05

cold as a kid cat chunky sitting in a refrigerator

22:09

as cold as a refreshing bottle of heineken on

22:11

a hot summer's day as coldest snow

22:13

because it was snow although detective roger

22:16

la cara didn't know that yet because he was slowly regaining

22:18

consciousness this handsome

22:20

face so does it was going through some kind of unnecessarily

22:23

vigorous spa treatment but this couldn't

22:25

be a spa treatment because detective

22:27

butcher a cow i didn't go for spa treatments

22:30

the idea skincare was a fist fight and

22:32

which both parties agree to stay away from the

22:34

false the you hundred budget

22:36

like area gift token for a spa treatment he

22:38

throw it into a nearby furnace or more realistically

22:41

to say thank you and give it to his wife terry know

22:45

this was no spa treatment this

22:47

was something else the the shop

22:49

cold pain on his face was nothing

22:51

compared to the dull throbbing pain

22:53

on the back of his head the had

22:55

to move something told him

22:57

that was more pain coming

23:00

from people like the pain

23:02

the goes

23:03

when the car i worked vice he'd find

23:05

some otherwise respectable accountant and some

23:07

bodmin brothel humiliation of themselves

23:10

and paying for the privilege it

23:12

handcuff them and rhythm their rights pants still

23:14

around their ankles they probably like this

23:17

or humiliation the goes

23:20

one valentine's day he and cari i got

23:22

curious and tried it out for themselves or

23:24

, spanking him digging her heels into his

23:26

back squeezing on tugging has suddenly

23:28

region with implements that arrived in the post

23:30

that morning and a discreet package from love honey

23:33

dot com can we stop

23:35

this place that is literally the opposite of pleasurable

23:37

i'll i'll leave it

23:39

there it's very good yeah and when

23:41

is the it is such a lovely guy that an avid

23:45

how did well i'll maybe i'll listen to the for

23:47

as unless into the first one when i got some

23:50

time and i didn't get through a book a week to be that

23:52

stupid show those difficulties

23:54

once i get swine something i like account that's a

23:56

comedy back on next week to the manifesto last

23:58

night i do this time

23:59

he would definitely do am

24:02

i an oreo theory once you start your

24:04

concept but i think that

24:06

tv positive this character

24:08

islam is the isn't we get it was very

24:10

good and i like the peripheral cactuses

24:13

older than the going to happen with that has

24:15

in the future sense richard

24:17

third answer is the bbc tended

24:19

and

24:21

the

24:23

his bloody corporation know

24:27

, was i was very pleased to have

24:29

got to do is is

24:32

it seems unlikely when we started but yeah

24:35

we did have put together sit com with

24:37

it's just called not in fishback we

24:40

started with started half hour script that they commissioned

24:43

they gave us the money to make a fifteen minute pilots

24:47

it i'm it does

24:49

feature detector rasool occurring rasool occurring

24:51

but it's mainly about my

24:53

he fish back and his family

24:56

the

24:57

like went down as well as i

24:59

could have hoped like it got amazing reviews

25:02

everywhere right reviewed

25:04

it

25:05

yeah like

25:06

people like the

25:08

telegraph on the sun like

25:10

running give this a series

25:14

and you know it's just didn't happen electronic

25:17

me luckily we've got the right so

25:19

our graves were trying to find another home

25:21

for it and you know they're all

25:24

you know

25:25

possibilities it my yeah i've

25:27

got i thought i thought you had little different

25:29

characters and you know you had a pretty fast

25:32

as well but i'm amazed you

25:34

know had given this to have shot

25:36

at what was i just thought he was so much

25:38

in than the and you immediately hit

25:40

the ground running with with all of the cat so

25:42

they can it can be very easy

25:45

they would you got a good

25:47

comedy kinds it's a good bill

25:49

show band and he's the main thing and and everyone

25:51

else is just guess as

25:53

mister chris pratt yet but it i but everyone

25:55

everyone really added

25:58

and rarely recognize

26:00

though the what the wife just getting

26:03

some champagne and then just because you want

26:05

to send undercover gonna want to live

26:07

as immediately you kind of got that com to

26:09

bang stray off yeah that was her idea

26:11

for the what the because we were than it's quite a long

26:13

time developing the sitcoms

26:16

and

26:17

the big problem for the whole time with

26:20

the wife character

26:22

because

26:23

if he is sort of monster

26:27

who would like

26:28

who would stay with him

26:30

i'm gonna get one is why to

26:32

just be

26:34

really

26:35

that's not nice to watch so

26:38

those who have a person he was well

26:40

as just make a drunk is

26:43

, of those women have

26:45

, age his to sort of made

26:48

in that winston churchill's of wage is

26:50

maintaining a constant bus that

26:52

is not just have a depressing drunk she's

26:54

just not quite there all the time and

26:57

that sort of excuses it to gain

26:59

them in the food half

27:02

hour script i don't we were able to

27:05

explore the other characters more you

27:08

know in the fifty minutes ended up

27:10

no i'm glad that you think we got them

27:12

and and i think they

27:14

the

27:16

scope out either you know i really do i were

27:19

you married his his videos show about him but

27:21

i have yet to be going now famous i'm is

27:23

difficult when you have to get will be

27:25

six committee people his job

27:28

and a comedy like italian i got

27:30

the i think that policemen depleted

27:32

doltish policemen i kind of think about that are

27:35

quite a lot easier , just

27:37

uses a really lovely that of stupid

27:40

character that cigarette and and i was played

27:42

by nathan saudi arabia reporters and

27:44

and he'd he'd worked with nice inside

27:46

and we decide ah

27:49

we just wrote that character specifically for him

27:51

because we knew it would be funny and

27:54

an amber kamala isn't it who's in

27:56

this is going to her and is amazing

27:58

and now yeah

28:01

god or comebacks replace my son

28:03

that's not the but i don't know i missed in the car

28:05

so i wasn't a time when i got name in cook

28:08

but that snow we with

28:10

minute

28:11

it's not dead

28:12

that

28:13

i'd like received by striking over at

28:16

the i'll give them i'm what however many years

28:18

ahead of you i am fifty , and

28:21

i just had so many

28:22

so many attempts at gang up on and

28:24

it's a sort of is more for the last thing i did

28:27

we did at ten minutes i see yeah

28:29

as it never goes out anyway and anyway

28:31

and and frustrating to get that far

28:34

and i'm for everyone to be saying

28:36

this is ready good apart from the apart

28:38

from fab fit for a fight that would you see

28:40

if i was at his

28:41

it was just more i was just

28:44

one moment to seattle is

28:46

as one person

28:47

the very top his lap nath but

28:51

lot when it came out and

28:53

everything

28:55

everything get l comedy

28:57

it tends to get

28:59

that is really difficult style and comedy i

29:01

was think it gets such a negative response on line

29:04

cause people alive

29:05

this is funny do you prefer

29:07

to get angry as i don't want and funny immediately

29:11

the as such as positive response and the

29:13

older these are so nice and

29:16

heartbreak know ,

29:18

south pacific limit how

29:21

can they know

29:24

the islands

29:26

somebody will go out you

29:28

know but also then it's great that as this life

29:30

was it was the tv pause before that

29:33

the was before the books right was a we have weighed

29:35

leader books of quicker than tv

29:37

yeah yeah oh yeah i'd the book

29:39

was

29:40

i published the first book

29:44

before we have made the pilot right

29:47

yeah had a book as far as i'm concerned i

29:49

this doubt if people keep buying it all

29:51

withdrew one of these a year

29:54

yeah

29:54

but hum am of the take

29:56

the argued i got is it easier to write the

29:59

benefits

29:59

a proper novel or is it hard

30:02

to write that from knocked out of ammo

30:05

to get a book together

30:07

i think in some ways it's harder

30:09

because i'd still like a paragraph

30:11

isn't justified and less made

30:14

left , a joke and it somehow yeah

30:17

so in some ways it's harder but then there's that

30:19

thing of like yeah

30:20

something shit you just can go ask

30:22

for specific that's ,

30:26

bus while

30:29

under know about four months

30:31

yeah i mean that's

30:33

quite quick as a grub i you know iraq much

30:35

i read my last book informants when it

30:37

was autobiography him in i've had gone blog

30:40

and i could remember what happened mostly

30:42

thirty just writing down what happened but i took me

30:44

about former

30:45

having a lot people take a lawful house somebody

30:48

would take like ten years right on a top

30:50

tax ten years since then i'll do

30:52

a lot about thousand two thousand the day

30:55

yeah

30:55

then

30:56

the is quite you do go quite

30:59

mental

31:00

like writing

31:03

the find myself in rabbit holes of like him giving

31:05

cpr to himself

31:07

and you following

31:10

the logic fat ass

31:13

am i going mad will anyone isn't

31:15

this an atlantis and co

31:17

and past the first one he goes

31:20

the ends up going to new york

31:23

because they find a receipt

31:25

from the edinburgh will and mail branch

31:28

let new york branch of edinburgh when now

31:31

and , they get on the first flight from access

31:33

to new york it just it just goes so

31:37

so just went up mad

31:40

in that section of the first

31:42

well as you

31:44

know anything you just want to say that you

31:46

that you going mad probably will

31:49

there forever will probably will probably help it's

31:51

that some

31:52

who anti we use i do you have

31:54

another had a book

31:56

they'll are we wait to see how this goes

31:58

before they will probably

31:59

like see how it goes to the and i've

32:02

met boy i'd love to do more yeah

32:04

i would this one why wanted

32:06

to do for the second one was like a dan brown

32:09

kim getting involved in the world of like

32:12

the religious like relics

32:14

that's like catacombs the next to a

32:17

nice like can

32:18

that is actually the bishop of next and to

32:20

are get him down like

32:23

dan brown will the like religious cults

32:25

and stuff

32:27

then i had my publishes wisely

32:29

to me away from that classic i didn't know

32:32

anything about nice

32:35

said rob why you just you and agatha christie's

32:38

ssssss since i was a good

32:40

idea

32:41

what else is going

32:43

on during an easy doing any else apart from

32:45

matt writing books when i wasn't this a nurse

32:48

and it's far enough but

32:51

yeah transcendent desperately trying

32:53

to get my more node know desperately

32:55

the trying to get my interest

32:57

somewhere that's

32:59

the big dreams and

33:01

then you know lots of other

33:04

so many things

33:06

and you know daily money you feel doing that

33:08

they online little bits and pieces

33:11

yeah constantly putting out videos on

33:13

for our although less now to the so don't

33:15

wanna like drain the character before

33:19

yeah made enough money and effort

33:23

into an eyesore into

33:25

the parallel timelines

33:28

guy on there's on twitter in

33:30

the videos

33:32

the way when i'm

33:34

just do whatever felt funny that

33:36

day so cheering lockdown i

33:39

decided to his to his his wife

33:41

quarantine in the carriage to see

33:43

how to call and then and

33:46

then there was months where his wife was in the carriage

33:49

he was just like putting the funding

33:51

through to her through a hall and

33:54

then

33:55

the his wife left him the

33:58

postman and

33:59

is he single on that on twitter time

34:02

the timeline dry case single

34:04

and dicing

34:06

five million bags i saw one

34:08

where he just had sex with someone

34:10

yeah that you done which was very happy

34:14

, just it is an attack delegates

34:16

not about it is up to happiness the having

34:19

a quick had sex with was fantastic

34:21

so that's the sort of twists on number down the

34:23

tv timeline it's still like a family

34:26

yeah sure though there

34:28

are some got my a farmer occult merciful

34:30

so many different not rabbit hole

34:32

i wish i hadn't named cat main characters

34:35

kara as well

34:37

right

34:38

fucking john kerry smith

34:40

of us for the high school with my

34:42

why do is add to the that's when i didn't i

34:44

didn't think an endless

34:46

the cardinal burke and , much

34:48

they are nearly had to change the name

34:50

because of lot legal reason rights

34:53

but i just a what with his mind

34:55

name his lead character

34:57

as to what matters of finally like itemized

35:00

list is

35:04

crap and can't say that it's say sad day they

35:07

would have already i know he many made it

35:09

up for it acts as a pet name is jeff

35:11

highlights he made up but it's rights

35:13

as citizens spelling

35:15

but

35:18

not before saying

35:19

i was in a meeting with a tv person

35:21

they kept on a nade like had clearly

35:24

read the book circuit ,

35:27

that the cats on referring it is the

35:29

as is the a spy parody and

35:31

like as the john kerry parody

35:33

right

35:34

no exercise

35:38

yeah kids

35:41

are well an idea

35:42

no he said he says that tribute book i think people

35:44

would enjoy and i i i actually does although

35:47

i didn't know the characters one that i hadn't seen something

35:49

so i don't think it

35:51

super necessary to have seen

35:53

all of you have i mean is worth having a look

35:55

at it because it's funny anyway but that if you've

35:57

enjoyed it but it will it can

35:59

the bit of context i suppose if you're going into

36:02

completely cold that you know so made

36:04

them separate entities now in and that's an

36:06

if you know my fish back than that's and extra

36:08

joke

36:09

it it's and soon thing marin of yeah

36:11

yeah so it's it's a very

36:14

is very funny is very enjoyable and

36:16

it's a it's an easy read but equally

36:19

it's a very pleasurable read so i

36:21

give it a go a is there any

36:23

books your reading the reading the like to recommend

36:26

you are you a big reader

36:28

then i am i say yeah i see

36:30

finished last night the book

36:32

should be bane well yes

36:34

you read the i haven't know i've are

36:37

not ready yet i've ,

36:39

seen the in a bookshop it's still a that

36:41

is it re re festival of read

36:44

since the goldfinch it's really

36:48

really good but latin an officer says this

36:51

about am

36:53

the boy growing up

36:55

in glasgow and glasgow very dysfunctional

36:57

family very grim

36:59

but very good

37:01

the couple had that thing i was or three

37:03

it's the have the thing is new and eat republic

37:05

with you read the last page of quite a long

37:08

book

37:09

i just keep see it isn't the last

37:11

page on reading the last page and

37:13

allow have posed for some never so

37:15

of inhale was kinda love

37:17

posts but that is really good but now so

37:19

light relief i'm gonna read iranian sullivan

37:23

the go to biography our great

37:25

yeah let's do this though is it did you

37:27

mainly over novels would you like to mix it up fiction

37:29

and nonfiction

37:31

i mix up a rare

37:34

and

37:35

yeah i saw a lot of about face but

37:37

now i like

37:39

you read lot of novels i don't read that

37:41

much crime

37:42

enough by do you read some the

37:44

first one the saw the

37:46

once upon a crime was in a weird

37:48

way inspired by don wins

37:50

like you know him smile is

37:53

an american crime right

37:55

these very good but really gritty

37:57

it's a bit like the wire or something it's just like

38:00

really really gritty cops in

38:03

that the bronx or wherever and

38:06

i just to have thought be funny to

38:08

have and middle class guy trying to set

38:10

a similar sort of crime novel in exeter

38:13

but

38:15

yeah i read

38:17

after all member of up

38:18

electric razor i

38:21

think it's good to know because of this of this

38:23

well gonna besides gave her book awake

38:25

pretty my library read fifty bucks this year which

38:28

is great because in our i've i've been

38:30

a bad rate are usually read on holiday but

38:32

what's rare it's what the fun thing about this so

38:35

is it just goes for one thing and some do

38:37

some children's books of this thread it's and

38:39

i'm reading books that i wouldn't necessarily always

38:41

use their bread myself as well as a steady the

38:43

it is good to be in a question reader things and

38:45

again read them to the audiobooks

38:48

of again for the historical fiction

38:50

black robe friends

38:52

the i throw trilogy

38:53

and i did whoa whoa

38:55

the i did write the i did willful

38:57

it was on a combat do the next

38:59

to cook is an audiobook mm the good

39:02

just a tip too many dog

39:04

ghosts that right it's just that he

39:06

was my average family goes missing double for

39:09

fun and i probably was for like two or three

39:11

months yeah ways you

39:13

know as out what went into the guy with ten

39:15

hours and naughty of of you see something at the

39:17

i just downloaded a degree

39:20

, which was was

39:23

than the hope of getting a

39:25

and then i thought oh update david copperfield

39:27

i've never actually read david couple of yep i've read

39:29

of yep things right m

39:32

b well as a kid so i need the story of any well

39:34

but i think but optima those it

39:36

is very completed novels it's so

39:38

hard to follow is an audiobook and they and

39:41

they the company

39:42

three hours long rather than

39:44

like ten hours

39:46

then some it's a huge commitment

39:49

the

39:50

the get into that i think as such

39:52

a big makes such a big difference the reader

39:55

yeah she does it like the first

39:58

to the first two

39:59

the cicero trilogy the robber

40:02

house one a a red buckle remember

40:04

the guy's name is amazing and

40:06

then then one the guy

40:08

who read the first two dollars

40:10

no one's read by someone else is pretty

40:12

good but you didn't like go back

40:15

is honestly not listen to the first two nights

40:18

completely changed the voice of

40:20

all the characters last

40:23

count , a slight change the accents

40:25

completely you can't do that i

40:28

think is it's really somewhat it's different when you're

40:30

reading someone elses book a big is a very very

40:32

difficult skill to do i

40:34

talked to my guy he recorded by

40:36

have suffered coming out as that you

40:38

how much the people have people coming and having read

40:40

out bag with notes the know this of is that

40:43

the some people are amazing at it and

40:45

they said yes i'm you live in some people you just know they

40:47

haven't even

40:48

read through the book is when which would be

40:50

a massive

40:52

the a massive think it's gonna i'm gonna

40:54

raise costs a great guy

40:56

that's my takes to send you

40:59

a hot since hot since i just can't

41:01

get any character let's say i've

41:03

made a massive the say i read the audiobook

41:06

to earn a kingsley amos

41:09

book

41:09

right all of reading our yeah

41:12

than but i hadn't listened to

41:15

enough audiobooks to for like how people did

41:17

fiction

41:18

and i just i did read the book beforehand

41:21

purchased

41:23

history literary

41:25

the night

41:27

they just cost be bad

41:30

accept , were actually on as as

41:33

a bad job as job as

41:35

left and the reviews of

41:37

it reflect bad people at the former is

41:39

really bad am i to his

41:41

successor and i had other into my head

41:43

that you have to with this you

41:46

else somebody is racing this

41:48

i should to sort of read it's kind

41:50

of neutrally

41:53

like to pseudo it

41:56

like transmit the book into people's heads

41:59

that respect

41:59

the text

42:01

not like put my own voice of the top

42:03

of it

42:04

yeah of course you have you caught

42:07

in amman a half hour

42:10

after hour or so

42:13

ah like oh if it's honestly

42:15

some be a seat have club this

42:17

club this now and i prefer

42:19

is this the author almost even if they

42:21

knew very good it said with

42:24

the answer my have swayed mine

42:27

jarvis they ranks with patients

42:29

the would actually this might be questionable jewish

42:32

and separation but apart from that

42:35

the

42:35

absolutely solid just

42:39

brilliant rate of it could it was a just

42:41

which the along with it's i like if you can get

42:43

had a good person the

42:46

do your been dead novelist or you're

42:48

shy novelist and i think he doesn't

42:50

agreed with that that's very interesting as

42:52

a job and zealots us

42:54

stay to fix it was registered

42:57

with to just sit with this is the successes

42:59

of it to gather as many other

43:02

you gotta get is just a bit too stereotypically

43:04

jewish ah but

43:06

the of he was also recorded sometimes

43:09

as a matter for a long time had on my phone for

43:11

for a few years another hour less you get my

43:13

guy with and i'm actually really got into his abrahamic

43:16

a brilliant

43:17

the a the topic is is quite good

43:19

a caught now he's gonna he's gonna would i make this know

43:21

about you anymore but jones dickens's better

43:24

than mine fish now he'd get a series

43:27

of us to describe

43:29

with and

43:31

novels audiobook knows

43:33

good to cook mad thing is even a there

43:35

are really serious novel some

43:38

they might be like a lot of different characters

43:40

and you're asking one person to do them all

43:42

yeah you have like some something

43:44

a guy

43:46

playing like a really sexy will mess

43:49

like not for a joke

43:51

this during a whole like

43:53

love saves the asbestos

43:57

sexy who need

43:59

that

44:01

on another you have he doesn't have his funds

44:04

because they strive harder you know day but i've even

44:06

like even day that a

44:08

book written itself as you save

44:11

money you're doing the guy yesterday

44:14

for our they did that on the day guy

44:16

oh god if i just met a lot of i've been doing the last

44:19

hour properly or my just like

44:23

, a variety to say it's a very odd jobs

44:25

they to do it well it's a very

44:27

i've had enough on the enough on as

44:29

you know there's a few different characters

44:31

yeah and

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i'd really like doing i'm patricia beresfords

44:37

in this but used i can use to

44:39

the idea to catches she's am

44:43

it it over radio

44:45

devon saw she's like a long running soap

44:47

opera could jam on top

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and

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they sit act like rotor in

44:53

her voice dog was his i was a call

44:55

center like twenty years ago and this is when and

44:58

co , on there was a i'm going

45:00

your behalf of the role national institute of

45:02

line but but that's just

45:05

lots of fun to do have ah it's

45:07

good yes well i don't have these read

45:09

the book how much controversy there is

45:11

about it's gonzales two major

45:14

the visions over scans

45:17

yeah i would you should have

45:19

been a clue when we came to break said that it

45:21

was going to be contentious for the we can find

45:23

to thanks argue about about

45:25

and quite unpleasant

45:28

then in a one example the top i

45:30

mean it's nice with a cream on but it's quite a dry

45:33

and play you know if you don't put cream and jamuna it's

45:35

not that nice as a source with us because

45:37

it's know some of those are dying and draw that's like saying

45:39

a a dry slice of bread

45:42

pudding , phone need to have

45:44

things apply to it either [unk] drei three controversies

45:47

there's another one i financial review the

45:49

friends or is better than is better skin

45:52

a plane i can go john months

45:54

of and you know and it's not been

45:56

settled and those arguments rage on and it

45:58

struck me how

45:59

wow

45:59

a weird a country we are those that

46:02

we can get that worked up a man maybe if we just

46:04

saw it out the scans issues verse

46:07

before breakfast yet we could where to

46:09

buy it's about that and then people would have been so

46:11

sick about the the in either

46:13

the media was and that attacks

46:16

the street and stuff that would result in my

46:18

or less not let you not trying to think a bit

46:20

bigger than the sooner we don't know and that as

46:22

a that features in the first book as well that's a

46:24

sort of overplay the tension between the two campuses

46:26

of common in devon over scans or scans

46:29

guess where the cream is applied himself has

46:32

every once in a coveted that ,

46:34

his policy has never to eat as

46:36

gone in public

46:38

because he doesn't want to be seen during the

46:40

wrong things like i don't want another cop a

46:42

dynamite unless

46:49

, a fabulous book is good match crime on

46:51

it it's out in october

46:54

at so do by and i would i think

46:56

even i haven't had the audiobook i've only heard

46:58

what you have heard in his podcasts and

47:01

i would say the audiobook might be the way to go

47:03

for this one how long story about how

47:05

long it would able to the and i just found

47:07

out i think is six hours sistine minutes the

47:09

first one aspect the settlements five

47:11

hour sixty nine much as outlet was a failure

47:14

one more minute and

47:18

i say well cyclists don't have it was at that

47:20

the only i tried to get the author on

47:23

but are recommended to alice dissatisfaction

47:30

jeanette mccurdy the only benefit

47:32

of money or imagine no no one in our country this will

47:34

be with somebody with our country will ah but

47:36

for not many adam the she

47:39

is a child star he's been as

47:41

you that and coincidentally on

47:44

the show that was my daughter found gold

47:47

salmon cat and then she was in another show

47:49

before that code i carly which

47:51

a huge on nickelodeon my and what as what

47:53

didn't you want to look shows the kid

47:55

indigo got a somewhat of a very bad

47:58

and this one is sort of had the

48:00

oh

48:03

my pointed out on a rubbish

48:06

there was something about the said forms ariana

48:08

grande days and nights and weekends as well

48:11

and that the performances with what pieces

48:13

of the materials from jeanette mccurdy i

48:16

didn't know anything about the same time always

48:18

nice to reciting about having when this amazing

48:21

autobiography which is good i'm glad my mom

48:23

died and is about sam

48:26

that's about six hours long and it's about

48:28

her at how she got kids

48:30

tv but also how overbearing

48:33

mother and it's quite sad and ronnie

48:35

i could live on the my up a scene

48:37

that that's a big hit the yeah it's

48:39

a big a in america so i have

48:41

contacted her via instagram but

48:43

she hasn't responded because you know point

48:45

in using she's in the new york bestsellers

48:48

list have you american eighty noted that the caddy

48:50

camera some way it like from instagram

48:53

i've got a proper focuses that is craig

48:55

on

48:56

my a proper also proposes like

48:58

and more famous to find

49:00

most respectable like

49:02

both academics and stuff academics grenade so

49:05

if jeanette mccurdy if think she's

49:07

sm is a really good book is really

49:09

well written and it's really

49:11

interesting and by

49:14

that want to go out and you don't need to know anything about

49:16

salmon captain the lessons of the debate about that

49:18

are inevitable

49:19

it it the messages

49:22

fergus if you have her book

49:25

by have a habit nine environment by

49:27

the message that book is you

49:30

know that live your life your own dreams

49:32

are your children are a lot center court

49:34

mavericks as is is it is a book about abuse

49:37

and all sorts of an unpleasant things but nurses

49:39

that is very big

49:43

anyway don't buy that by

49:47

the magic crime managed by

49:49

fergus craig on the front right didn't

49:51

say that was another silver big

49:54

decisions yeah that yeah

49:56

we went together vickery i didn't

49:58

want to have brought [unk] la cara focus

49:59

craig i'm not he suspects remains the

50:02

people don't know

50:05

he said monday that you live in the casting

50:07

could get you some sales and

50:11

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50:13

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50:15

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50:17

is that now we

50:19

want to smell good with it resonated

50:23

, the game of the a big i'm right by our

50:25

set up shop in case i'd libel hip

50:27

salad so it's and this to jeffrey artists

50:30

i am

50:33

this has to chance to his other

50:36

all right thank you very much going on thank you very much to

50:38

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50:40

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50:42

to me to see the a

50:44

messed up the technology and i couldn't hear many

50:46

for naming them we realized i didn't matter

50:48

because we don't talk to each other but he's

50:50

a very good man and thank you to him and thank you to

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